The Myth of the Alpha Female

On last Saturday’s Red Man Group we took a call from a woman who has apparently just discovered the “red pill school of thought” and looked up what ever convoluted definitions she could find from the ‘normie web’ to better understand it. For context, the whole exchange began around the 2:04:00 mark here, but the bit I want to dissect I’ve cued up to 2:09 in the above video. The Red Pill as a praxeology is often something most uninitiated people don’t have the patience to really want to understand. So when they’re confronted with a Red Pill truth that conflicts with some ego-invested belief they often just resort to what I call “point and sputter” – they spit out some school yard taunt, tell you how unbelievable it is anyone could ever believe such a thing in this day and then move along to whatever ideological site they’re comforted by.

Credit where it’s due, this woman (and I apologize for not getting her name) at the very least was prompted to ask some questions about how we come to whatever misattributed ideas she read were what it is we think. Listen to the whole exchange for context. In the beginning I was asked the standard “what do you tel your daughter about all of this?” as if this is going to somehow shame me back down to earth, but the part she was most distraught over was the idea that “women are only valuable for what they look like”.

My response to her was based on an essay I wrote 4 years ago titled Separating Values. In that piece I tried to outline how women today have trouble separating their sexual market value from their self-perceived personal worth:

Conflating Values

One of the major problems women have, and more than even some red pill men have, is the conflation of sexual market value with their intrinsic personal value as a human being.

It needs to be emphasized that while personal value is influential in sexual market value, SMV is distinct from your value as a human being. I’m stressing this because, in the age Disney Princess empowerment, this conflation of the two has become a go-to social convention; and not just for women.

What [Robin] Korth suffers from is presuming her personal value is her sexual market value.

It’s disruptive to her self-perceptions and ego-investments when that presumption is challenged by a man who doesn’t want to fuck her for reasons based on the intrinsic value she believes she’s entitled to by virtue of maturity and imaginings of self-sufficiency. Just as women aren’t aroused by men’s own self-concepts of virtuousness and aspirations of higher purpose, men aren’t aroused by whatever ephemeral self-perceptions a woman may have.

Listening to this woman’s concerns, it’s a fairly common refutation and one we come to expect from a mindset that presumes men callously objectify women out of hand, or due to their being taught to be so by a chauvinistic toxic masculinity. Women cling to this because it sounds right and reinforces the victimhood narrative that defines the collective identity of the Sisterhood. So when they read it or see it openly embraced, or spoken about men in a positive context it’s confirmation of an offense they want to believe is endemic in men. Thus, we get the “literally shaking”, sound of a quavering voice.

However, all of this gets in the way of women really understanding that they’ve been conditioned to conflate their personal worth with their sexual market value. As I mentioned in my response, a woman can be a wonderful humanitarian, a great mother, the CEO of a Fortune 500 company or someone who adds value to the depth and breadth of humankind, but it won’t make her look any better in a bikini. And that is where sexual market value starts for women when it comes to men’s arousal and attraction. For as long as I’ve been writing this blog I’ve tried to explain this in as simple a way as possible; men and women are different. Part of our differences is that what constitutes sexual market value for one sex is not an equal evaluation for the other. For as much as the equalist mindset pervades our social consciousness, the reality is men and women are different in many fundamental ways.

One reason Red Pill awareness in men gets vilified by women is because it nakedly exposes, discusses and develops sexual and life strategies around some very Darwinistic and unflattering realities of intersexual dynamics based on those differences. But exposing these differences is only offensive to this social order because there is a presumption of a blank-slate equalism that’s been embedded into every aspect of our gender understanding for almost 70 years now. This offensiveness is less about the actual nuts and bolts of evolution, biology and psychological differences between men and women, but more so it’s about the ego-invested idea that men and women should be blank-slate, functional equals in all respects. Even this presumption is a horse-shit cover story for the latent purpose of feminism floating the lie of “equality” – fundamentally disempowering men so women can aspire to be their masters in various ways.

The woman from our discussion expressed this barely containable angst that men only value her as a sexual object, and it’s important to suss out the reasoning for this confusion and rage. As I mentioned, the problem women have is an inability to separate their sexual market value from their personal value a ‘basic human being‘. A quote I’m known for is “virtue is anti-seductive.” No guy ‘virtues’ a woman into bed, and while I get push back for devaluing the importance of virtue occasionally, what I don’t get is any disagreement from men or women on that point. Virtue, intelligence, honor, duty, wisdom and any number of other esoteric features that would make a man a terrific human being do nothing (or sometimes work against him) for his raw visceral sexuality that women are aroused by. For men, however, these traits and many more will definitely add to his attractiveness as a long term prospect for women.

In men, affluence, status, intelligence, improvisation, creativity, ambition, drive, perseverance, humor, positive-conventional masculinity, and many more aspects make this man an attractive choice for a long term relationship with women. These are attributes that contribute to a man’s sexual market value, but they are incomplete without a raw, visceral physical component. Hypergamy serves two masters, Alpha seed and Beta need – and as such it hates the one and loves the other depending on what a woman’s most pressing necessity happens to be at that point in her life. Women have an innate, limbic understanding of what makes a man a complete package – a great catch.

Where this and most other women fail is that their own Fempowerment conditioning teaches them that what makes a man attractive, what makes his SMV appealing to women must necessarily be what makes for her own personal value and sexual market value. The reason this woman is shaking here is because this conditioning has convinced her and generations of women to build a life predicated on a fallacy: What makes her a “good person” should necessarily make her attractive and arousing to men. This is a great falsehood that is the root of many of the gender conflicts and misunderstandings we see around us today.

Gendered Differences in Attraction

The things that make a woman’s sexual market value high are not the same things make her sense of personal worth high. Yet, this is exactly what the Feminine Imperative conditions women to believe and seeks to shame men for not complying with this fallacy. When men opt for younger, hotter, tighter at all ages of their own maturity, the visceral message is clear – it makes no difference what a woman’s personal value is when it comes to sexual valuation. Where women fall short is they presume that men cannot appreciate women for anything but their sexual value.

This is an interesting dynamic since the Imperative teaches women never to implicitly do anything for a man.

The prime directive of feminism for the past 50 years has been founded on women striving to achieve the ideal of the Strong Independent Woman® (SIW). This SIW ideal is the carrot that gets the mules to pull the cart. That ideal is never fully attainable because if it were it would make an end state for feminism a realizable goal rather than the self-perpetuating social mechanism it is. The SIW ideal is intentionally ambiguous, but the concept is based on selling women the idea that they can not only “have it all” but they can be it all too. The ‘independence’ feminism sells predicated on being a self-sustaining, self-satisfying, autonomous ‘thing’ that doesn’t need for anything. A woman is every bit as good a feminine role model as she is a masculine one, ergo, she has no need for men beyond the physical aspect. In fact, an independence from men, from any form of dependency on men, has been part of the feminist charter since Seneca Falls in 1848.

From a Red Pill perspective, and in my opinion, this independence from men has been the single most damaging aspect of feminism in its history. Men and women evolved to be complements to the other and in evolutionary terms are far stronger together than apart. Each compensates for the one’s innate weaknesses with the other’s innate strengths. Feminism preaches two lies in this respect – the first being that a woman can “have it all”, but also she can be an autonomous being with no intrinsic needs beyond what she can provide for or address herself. The lie is that she “don’t need no man” when a hundred thousand years of evolution says different. Men and women need each other, but it’s feminism that’s selling the lie that they don’t.

The ironic part about this socialized lie is that in emancipating women from the ‘dependency’ of men feminism has founded the basis of ‘having it all’ on how closely a woman can emulate a man. The definition of a successful Strong Independent Woman is how closely she can replicate the success of men. This ideal for SIW success is based on a masculine ideal. As feminism has refocused women’s goals on these masculine ideals it has systematically altered the definition of femininity to align with its ideal of ‘success’.

The Myth of the Alpha Female

As part of that new masculine ideal of female success, along came the concept of the Alpha Female. I’ve read dozens of articles about this fantasy creature; how she’s a boss who takes no shit and turns companies around from the brink of bankruptcy by virtue of being female. A woman of the future who emulates and exceeds the successes of any apex-male CEO of those sexist Fortune 500 companies. Even if she’s not a high powered exec, the match (literally) of any man, women still love to imagine themselves in this “alpha” role in their own little worlds.

“I’m an Alpha Female, and maybe I’m not a jet setter, but I’m a Type A personality and as such I’m headstrong, a go-getter woman who knows what she wants.”

This sloganized mental model is part of the new Strong Independent Woman® costume that feminism is selling to women today.

If you’re a woman who’s bought into the Confidence Porn narrative that’s so popular today, allow me to ruin that image for you. There is no such thing as an “alpha” female – at least not in the respect of the idealistic Fempowered fantasy you think applies to you. The Feminine Imperative likes to convince women that they are ‘Alpha’ using that same masculine model definitions I detailed above here. The Strong Independent Woman meme only holds up insofar as it emulates masculine success and a masculine defined concept of ‘Alpha’. By this definition every woman has a potential to be an ‘alpha’ female in her own little way. Like I said, the Confidence Porn women gobble up is so tasty because it’s so achievable – all you have to do is cop the “I’m the boss, I’m a Type A person” attitude, put some foam inserts in the shoulders of your ‘power suit’ and you too can be Alpha because you say so and you walk the same walk as an Alpha Male.

The push for female-primacy has conditioned generations of women to expect an entitled, default respect, and a deference to their authority from men. They’re told at every opportunity from the time they’re 5 years old that they can do anything, have it all, be it all, and they’re the “natural leaders of the future”. By extension this leads women to the Alpha Female trope.

Ironically, the same people who love to ridicule the idea of ‘Alpha Males’ completely accept the concept of an Alpha Female. They’ll make funny videos ridiculing the Red Pill for using ‘alpha’ as a referential term – “These jokers think they’re wolves or Silver Back Gorillas, hur hur!” – but they’ll eagerly embrace the idea of an ‘alpha’ female. That conditioned deference of the feminine makes it believable; and they like the idea that identifying with women’s delusions of empowerment might get them laid.

Attribution Bias Error

The error that women and feminism make in the ‘Alpha Female’ respect is an attribution bias error. Women are conditioned to believe that if they value the aspects of what makes men attractive, what makes them a good pairing, that men must also value those traits in women. If status, power, social proof, affluence, careerism, drive, etc. is what gets them hot for men (in the long term) then possessing those traits themselves must also be attractive in the reverse. Unfortunately for women, they’re painfully (but slowly) learning that men and women are in fact different and the lie of egalitarian equalism has essentially cost them a future with a husband, children and family living.

In order to counter this harsh reality an industry in biotech egg-freezing has sprung up around the very real female insecurity that these confident Alpha Women wont find a suitable man to start a family with now that they are well past the Wall. Feminine-primary society is capitalizing on this fear.

But the reverse is true; men’s sexual selection criteria is far more simplistic than women’s. From an evolved, naturalist perspective men select women based on looks and sexual availability – and on a subconscious level women know this, yet they rationalize that men should be interested in their coequal professionalism, status and any number of intrinsic qualities they believe they possess. The root of this misunderstanding is once again the socialized lie of egalitarian, blank-slate equalism. Only now women expect that if they invest themselves in the same pursuits as Alpha men that this should compensate for their lack of physical appeal. If men and women are functional equals what defines male dominance should also define female dominance. Evolution says differently.

The woman on the left (Reneé Sommerfield) is the true Alpha female by the standards of evolutionary realities. The woman on the right (Sheryl Sandberg) is what our gynocentric social order would have men believe should be considered an ‘alpha’ female. This is the conflict that’s at the heart of so many manufactured crises of attraction for women and the failure of their long-term plans to have a family.

The Alpha Female is really the woman who best embodies what men’s evolved, biological imperatives determine what makes her an attractive breeding and long-term mate choice. Men’s criteria is very simple; fitness, youth, assertive sexuality, playfulness, conventional femininity and genuine desire to please him. Beyond this, submission, respect, nurturing (potential mothering qualities), a natural deference to male authority, humility, admiration and an unobligated desire to recognize that man as her complementary partner are just some of the long-term attributes that make a woman someone a man might want to invest himself in a family with.

Unfortunately all of this criteria is counter to the message ‘alpha‘ Females are taught are valuable today. They are taught that anything a woman might do for the expressed pleasure of a man is anathema to the Strong Independent Woman® meme. The presumption is that a desire to meet any of this criteria is a failure on the part of a woman who demands to be the ‘equal’ of a man. Even acknowledging the innate, complementary natures of men and women is an affront to the equalist narrative. Furthermore, any man who would base (much less express) his own decision making criteria as such is shamed via social conventions. The narrative is that he must be needy, or threatened by a “strong woman” or he must want this woman to be his Mommy substitute. All of this is a social mechanic meant to force fit that natural complementary criteria into the box of egalitarian equalism.

Value Added

I don’t write for a female readership per se. In fact, I don’t really direct my writing towards any audience, but in this instance I want to end here with a message for my female readers. Take this message to the bank: the sexes evolved to be complementary to each other, not adversarial. But that adversarial feeling you get when you read me describing some unflattering aspect of female nature is the product of your own Blue Pill conditioning that’s taught you the lie of egalitarianism-as-female-empowerment. If you truly want to ‘empower‘ yourselves set aside your self-importance, look inside yourselves and ask this question –

What is it about me that a man would find attractive from a naturalistic perspective?

What do I possess that a man would truly believe is Value Added?

That may feel a bit counterintuitive to you, but understand that the reason this introspection is alien or offensive to you is because you’ve been conditioned to believe that your masculine qualities are what men should find attractive about you. You turn this offense back on men and make it their fault for not finding your ‘alpha femaleness’ the root of their attraction to you. Is the idea of changing yourself, to add value to your package, for the pleasure of a man a source of anger for you? Why is that?

I see far too many otherwise beautiful women who destroy themselves on the lie of the ‘alpha’ female and a never ending struggle to perfect an equalist archetype in themselves. They rail on about infantile men, or bemoan that men are afraid to ask them out, or ask “Where are all the good guys nowadays?” Understand that these efforts to shame men into finding something attractive about you based on your masculine criteria for attraction will always fail; leaving you a lonely childless middle aged wreck all because you refused to accept that you need to be someone worth marrying.

Men and women are better together than they are apart. We evolved to be complements to the other. But, feminism, the Feminine Imperative and an endemic Fempowerment culture have taught you to believe “you are enough”, you are complete, you don’t need a man because you can satisfy all of your own needs. This is the most damning lie ever perpetrated on womankind – that you can be it all – and only when it’s too late do women realize that they’ve been had.

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Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

@kfg

That’s three vids in a row showing up. Impressive comment-fu.

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

[In my best Don Adams voice] Would you believe it’s all in the wrist?

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

“Apparently some people are extremely unhappy with the differences in ability precisely because differences in ability determine differences in opportunity. ”

As I said, nothing is gonna make a 2 a 10…

Joe

Tell me more of this Christian fire and brimstone??? Where do you find it?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago
Joe K
Joe K
3 years ago

ASD – as easy as it is to say ‘projection’ – your chronic, can’t-tear-yourself-away volume of posts allows everyone to see that it is YOU who have just north of zero SMV. And your wrinkled prune of a wife probably has even less SMV than you. That’s why nobody respects anything you write, and even occasional readers like myself intentionally scroll past your meandering, worthless prattle.

Try taking a month off of commenting on this blog, I bet you can’t do it. Because your ‘mission’ is utterly non-existent apart from the arm-chair bullshit you spew here.

rugby11
3 years ago

Endogenous Oxytocin Release Eliminates In-Group Bias in Monetary Transfers With Perspective-Taking
https://bit.ly/2Mxr5uZ
Behavioral Economics: A New Lens for Understanding Genomic Decision Making
https://bit.ly/2Ml2Fon
Oxytocin attenuates trust as a subset of more general reinforcement learning, with altered reward circuit functional connectivity in males
https://bit.ly/2nGrmxu

rugby11
3 years ago

A Scientific Basis for Humanae Vitae and Natural Law
https://bit.ly/2vMbiyG

Principles of Hormone/Behavior Relations
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=xVmfDAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=alpha+behavior+in+humans&ots=qbGQ3qasOS&sig=WYSH9oAPTq_znIjih4Habf3PuXY#v=onepage&q=alpha%20behavior%20in%20humans&f=false

I evolved this way: examining nonmonosexuality as an evolutionary adaptation
https://dspace.sunyconnect.suny.edu/handle/1951/70267

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
3 years ago

Camille Paglia – like listening to a hamster on speed. Made the mistake of listening to all 3 vids… my ears will need a week to recover

Orson
Orson
3 years ago

@Joe K

I guess Rollo doesn’t want to alienate his red pill audience (sometimes purple pill) by embracing MGTOW openly. The logical conclusions one can derive from Rollo’s work scream “MGTOW”.

Also some commenters here have the annoying feminine trait of belittling other commenters without contributing with meaningful rational discussion.

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
3 years ago

@Joe K: “I guess Rollo doesn’t want to alienate his red pill audience (sometimes purple pill) by embracing MGTOW openly. The logical conclusions one can derive from Rollo’s work scream “MGTOW”.” You are partly correct. Rollo is not openly embracing MGTOW. But other members of the RMG (Rich Cooper and Donovan Sharpe) have increased their attacks on MGTOW by equating MGTOW to INCEL. Rollo is very much aware that most SINGLE men who will read his books and internalise RED PILL will never enter into a monogamous committed relationship. They will never marry and will most likely … erm …… Read more »

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
3 years ago

The logical conclusions one can derive from Rollo’s work scream “MGTOW”.

I disagree – it’s more like ‘buyer beware”. These are the facts and you are now equipped to choose how to proceed, rather than blindly follow a path set for you by “society”.

Flashman Jr.
Flashman Jr.
3 years ago

Another good post from Rollo, thank you, one of the most interesting and pertinent in a practical sense. Slightly off topic, regarding shit tests and LTRs, reading through the comments of this post and others it seems the red pills fall into two categories: Those who see value in LTRs and who are happy to receive and pass shit tests, and those who see no value in LTRs and regard shit tests as beneath them. Personally I see no value in a LTR and the only response to a shit test is “I don’t want your shit, I don’t need… Read more »

Flashman Jr.
Flashman Jr.
3 years ago

Shit tests, I get the impression that most of the posters here regard shit tests as inevitable, short term or long term.
Out of a significant 3 digit count I can say that at least 50% of the women in my STRs did not give me any shit, ever.

Flashman Jr.
Flashman Jr.
3 years ago

Good post Incubus, some perspective regarding the two camps of red pill re shit tests.

Flashman Jr.
Flashman Jr.
3 years ago

A quick qualifier, I’m talking about shit and shit tests after the deal has been closed and consummated, not shit tests during the hook up process.

Chaoticia
Chaoticia
3 years ago

“Take this message to the bank: the sexes evolved to be complementary to each other, not adversarial.”

You are half wrong there Rollo. The brains of males and females are as complementary towards each other as they are weaponized towards each other. We, as individuals, make the choice how things play out from there.

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

“Shit test” is the incorrect term, most used by angry guys who feel ego threatened. Fitness Test is more accurate. Fitness test implies that those passing are fit. Your ego feel better now? Flashman if 50% of your bangs gave you “no shit ever” it just means you passed their tests without being aware. And how did those “relationships” end? How long where they? If you are doing primarily SNL and short (few weeks) hook ups or infrequent fuckbuddying (1 or 2x a month etc.) AND are nexting girls for any recognized shit tests… You aren’t going to have a… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

“A quick qualifier, I’m talking about shit and shit tests after the deal has been closed and consummated, not shit tests during the hook up process.”

It’s all the same…

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Incubus This is why I read here. I was married in my early 20’s and was not beta or blue pilled at all. A majority of my friends and family members ( male ) married in their 20’s as well, and I can think of only a couple that would be considered beta or blue pilled. Sure, situations on the ground have shifted, but the manner in which men choose to react is what’s fascinating on many levels. It’s a vicious circle of women acting up, Men becoming confused then angry, and either ” resigning ” to never having a… Read more »

theasdgamer
3 years ago

ASD – as easy as it is to say ‘projection’ – your chronic, can’t-tear-yourself-away volume of posts allows everyone to see that it is YOU who have just north of zero SMV. And your wrinkled prune of a wife probably has even less SMV than you.

Joe, I kicked you in the ass for thinking like a boy, and so did others. None of it is meant to harm you. Fix your shit.

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

@Chaoticia:

I have used the analogy of guys supporting a mast. If the tension on the guys is opposing, but equal, the mast stands straight and stable. If there isn’t enough tension on the guys the structure may be stable, but weak. If there is too much tension, the guys snap and the whole thing fails catastrophically.

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

Incubus

So we need a time machine?

We got here before TRM, before game was an industry. We spun plates, we started chasing girls on playgrounds, kissing them behind the bushes, playing spin the bottle, messing around in cars, fucking on gold courses… dating.. breaking up… hooking up etc.

We didn’t need books, we had had life to teach us lessons on the nature of women. Men have been at “this” a long time.

theasdgamer
3 years ago

You are half wrong there Rollo. The brains of males and females are as complementary towards each other as they are weaponized towards each other. We, as individuals, make the choice how things play out from there. Do you feel because you choose to feel? Do you have a choice about how you feel? Women live in their feelings–they don’t choose their feelings. For women, some percentage of their lives is lived where they think rationally, but it’s a much smaller percentage of their lives than it is for us men. Your writing shows that you still think that men… Read more »

theasdgamer
3 years ago

We didn’t need books, we had had life to teach us lessons on the nature of women. Men have been at “this” a long time.

Yeah, I was making out with girls at 15 without RSD to help me. How the fuck did I ever do that???

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

@Disgruntled Earthling:

One of the comments on the third video (perhaps I should have posted it first) is: “I recommend watching her videos at 0.75 speed.”

Her stomping ground, both geographically and academically, has always skirted around the edges of mine, so I’ve never actually, to my knowledge , run across her (I might have passed her on the street or something). I have a hard time imagining being able to sit through one of her courses.

theasdgamer
3 years ago

Blax, situations on the ground have shifted…for men especially. Men are more girly nowadays than when we were growing up. Less confident and feeling like they have less status relative to women. Feeling inadequate because they don’t live in their feelings like girls do. So they try to be more like girls and…shock!…they end up more like girls–because they were told that they were supposed to be more like girls. Told over and over and over and over…by teachers…by news media…by movies…by mothers and other female relatives…by other boys. It’s like they’ve been brainwashed or something. And told over and… Read more »

Bromeo
Bromeo
3 years ago

“goldman? holy shit what a fraud. guy constantly says he’s rich but when drunk once admitted he only makes 2K a month on twitter.)”

LOL dead 🙂

Bromeo
Bromeo
3 years ago

@Flash

“A quick qualifier, I’m talking about shit and shit tests after the deal has been closed and consummated, not shit tests during the hook up process.”

Tests never end and game goes on forever. You have a lot to learn, check out the sidebar.

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

@AR: ““Alpha female” running for governor in Vermont?”

If the incumbent becomes the nominee for his party the people’s choice will be between a really bad tranny and the first Vermont governor to cave to gun control.

Vermont has always been liberal, but it’s always been Classical “Don’t bother me and I won’t bother you” Liberal. It’s been shifting to SJW “liberal” at high speed of late.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

DisgruntledEarthling Camille Paglia – like listening to a hamster on speed. Yeah, that ethnic/urban fasttalk. But in these talks she sorta stayed on a topic. That’s different from every interview that I’ve tried to listen to before. There was actually some coherence, and I’m not used to that from Paglia. Also not used to any feminist admitting that “Nurture Is All” is junk. She could Trigglypuff any number of 3rd stage snoflake feminists just with that statement. Made the mistake of listening to all 3 vids… my ears will need a week to recover There’s far worse. One of PragerU’s… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

Vocal fry you say?

Try

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwk3bA-u2k4

Masha Tupitsyn at The New School…

[hat tip to Mr. Mustard at Le Chateau]

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

kfg If the incumbent becomes the nominee for his party the people’s choice will be between a really bad tranny and the first Vermont governor to cave to gun control. Shoulda controlled the borders with MA and NY years ago. But that’s moot. But I wasn’t entirely joking about that ugly man in a dress being an “alpha female”. Here’s the point, if the really bad tranny wins election, does he become an “alpha female” in Vermont politics? Can’t call him a “man in a dress” because that’s “transphobia”. Have to pretend he’s a she, right? Some, maybe most, of… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

“plus with hormone therapy & plastic surgery they can look at least as purty, maybe better.”

The bar is low…

http://www.spectermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Masha-Tupitsyn.jpg

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

Sentient
Masha Tupitsyn at The New School…

Maybe she’s been gargling Drano.

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

well well well

My philosophy teacher Avital Ronell always says that all of Hamlet happens in the ear. I think all of love does too, which is why the work of listening is also the work of love.

There is that name again. Birds of a feather…

https://entropymag.org/all-ears/

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

Please forward to Watters…

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Ash Pariseau
3 years ago

I’ve always thought of the alpha female in terms of her being the more dominant personality in the relationship. She may not always be the ball busting, future CEO that you are referring to. She has a natural tendency to govern more of the relation, usually paired with a more passive, indecisive man who doesn’t mind her taking the lead.

rugby11
3 years ago

Humans strategically shift decision bias by flexibly
adjusting sensory evidence accumulation in visual cortex
http://pubman.mpdl.mpg.de/pubman/item/escidoc:2526928/component/escidoc:2594288/id10007772.pdf

Modeling the psychological antecedents to tourists’ pro-sustainable behaviors: an application of the value-belief-norm model
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09669582.2017.1423320

Dopamine and Stress System Modulation of Sex Differences in Decision Making
https://www.nature.com/articles/npp2017161

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

Ash

I’ve always thought of the alpha female in terms of her being the more dominant personality in the relationship

The Alpha female is the one the other girls fear being around their man, or who they wish they were… Rollo has it right.

9 times out of 10, the Queen Bee in the group is the hottest one.

theasdgamer
3 years ago

She has a natural tendency to govern more of the relation, usually paired with a more passive, indecisive man who doesn’t mind her taking the lead.

If there is an active, decisive man who makes bad decisions, there will be a lot of arguments.

A woman who leads will eventually find the man to be unattractive.

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

“9 times out of 10, the Queen Bee in the group is the hottest one.”

In a segment of the Paglia lecture that I did not post she notes that women don’t dress for men, they dress for other women – which is true as far as it goes.

But they dress for each other as part of competition with each other.

What are they competing for? Men.

And around we go.

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
3 years ago

“I’ve always thought of the alpha female in terms of her being the more dominant personality in the relationship.”

Nobody cares what you think. Hop off back to twitterland … or call in the next RMG Live episode and prove your point.

“She has a natural tendency to govern more of the relation, usually paired with a more passive, indecisive man who doesn’t mind her taking the lead.”

How is that working out for you?

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
3 years ago

“A good man will appreciate a smart and self sufficient woman” – Ash Pariseau

“Smart and self sufficient” won’t make you look any better in a bikini.

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

““Smart and self sufficient” won’t make you look any better in a bikini.”

But it will make you able to gather food, cook, clean, sew, raise your own children, solve problems in managing a household . . .

People have developed some strange ideas about what “self sufficient” is.

rugby11
3 years ago

Relationship of Sustainable Behavior, World-Mindedness,
National and Global Identities, Perceived Environmental
Risk and Globalization Impact Among College Students in
the United States
https://openventio.org/wp-content/uploads/Relationship-of-Sustainable-Behavior-World-Mindedness-National-and-Global-Identities-Perceived-Environmental-Risk-and-Globalization-Impact-Among-College-Students-in-the-United-States-PCSOJ-4-138.pdf

Involvement of dopamine, but not norepinephrine, in the sex-specific regulation of juvenile socially rewarding behavior by vasopressin
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41386-018-0100-2

Deep neural networks are more accurate than humans at detecting sexual orientation from facial images.
http://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fpspa0000098

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

“Deep neural networks are more accurate than humans at detecting sexual orientation from facial images.”

The unspoken part of this finding: People can distinguish sexual orientation from facial features alone at a rate greater than chance, particularly so when the faces are male.

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

“The accuracy of the algorithm increased to 91% and 83%, respectively, given five facial images per person.”

i.e. gay face is objective.

rugby11
3 years ago

Oxytocin modulates charismatic influence in groups.
http://psycnet.apa.org/buy/2017-47894-001

Social Monogamy in Nonhuman Primates: Phylogeny, Phenotype, and Physiology
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00224499.2017.1339774

Oral sensations and secretions
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0031938418301793

marelius
marelius
3 years ago

Rugby, I know its been covered in the past, and you have glossed over it every time, but do you think you have it in you to briefly describe WHY each link you choose to post might ADD something to the discussion? If so, please give it a try, so that we could each better decide if it might be worth our time to watch. Otherwise, most will keep scrolling past, undoubtedly missing some good nuggets that might be helpful. If not, perhaps you could post a short explanation as to why you are unable to document your thoughts. I… Read more »

Pinelero
Pinelero
3 years ago

Regarding shit-test from the prior posts: I don’t expect them or routinely get them, but when I do I don’t really care. My thoughts/actions are not contingent on upon them. I have boundaries for behavior that I’m willing to tolerate from her, and the SO doesn’t cross them lightly. This isn’t really that hard.

rugby11
3 years ago

What Theories and Methods From Relationship Research Can Contribute to Sex Research
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2017.1421608?src=recsys

Maintaining Sexual Desire in Long-Term Relationships: A Systematic Review and Conceptual Model
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2018.1437592?src=recsys

Membrane estrogen receptor signaling impacts the reward circuitry of the female brain to influence motivated behaviors
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0039128X17302246

rugby11
3 years ago

marelius
I was looking into some study’s into behavior and traits of women and business and how bias and environment affects child birth and motherhood. Females at peak fertility and dreams and business plans. Found some cool reads and knowning my own bias was looking into feedback on what i was finding, So was staying with 2018 research results from around the glode.

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

If you’re a Vermonter, vote Styxhexenhammer666:

rugby11
3 years ago

marelius Sex differences in motivated behaviors in animal models https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352154617302036 For example here Oxytoxin and bonding Motivation and leader use for peak group preference. Immediate early gene activation throughout the brain is associated with dynamic changes in social context https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17470919.2018.1479303 Growth for change and resource provision. When would a single mom need the most resources in the wilderness without a mate? Climbing the ladder of social cohesion with the need to provide first in the mating ritual. Braintrust: What Neuroscience Tells Us about Morality By Patricia S. Churchland https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=AQI_DwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=alpha+behavior+in+humans&ots=8cQ3SMiv-x&sig=krymAAH8MMrfOc6zcYcifA-qORQ#v=onepage&q=alpha%20behavior%20in%20humans&f=false Morality and religion and how it creates or destroys community. That… Read more »

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
3 years ago

Been listening to Styxh for a while now. Cool guy.

As a Canadian I like Vermonters. I used to hike the Green Mountains back in the 70/80s.
Met some very decent young guys that fit the Walden mold and just seemed ‘different’. Very independent types. That’s probably all changed by now.

Was hitching to Burlington when a ‘hippy’ character in a yellow Beetle with a joint in one hand and a beer i the other picked me up. Made it to Burlington …

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

kfg

If you’re a Vermonter, vote Styxhexenhammer666:

Since I could move to Vermont someday, I demand a provisional ballot.
And a pencil…

theasdgamer
3 years ago

@Incubus Since most young men here (including some, er, most PUAs) lack inner frame, they need to fix themselves before they have and raise kids (cough-marriage-cough). Candidates for Darwin Awards for failing to reproduce. I’m not encouraging men who lack inner frame to marry, but I am encouraging them to develop inner frame. And I’m happy to give them a swift kick in the pants to get them started. It’s sad that I get so much catty pushback from them when I’m trying to help them become better men. But it’s understandable and not unexpected. It’s just more evidence that… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

kfg
People have developed some strange ideas about what “self sufficient” is.

People have developed some even stranger ideas about what “smart” is.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

By the way, now that Alex Jones has been unpersoned off the net it looks like Stefan Molyneaux is the next target for a YouTube ban. The erasure of dissent from the net likely will continue.

Nothing personal meant, Rollo, but I speak for many in hoping you have the site backed up far away from WordPress. If you need assistance from a variety of people all you have to do is ask.

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

I see a STARK difference between Roll’s content and the batshit of Jones and Molyneaux. I also see a STARK difference between ” different opinion ” and outright bullshit as a majority of content. Look, if a guy has an opinion that lawns are causing seismic activity in the pacific, I don’t care about his crazy. If he is on a platform belonging to someone else, and 99% of his content is him screaming about lawns and earthquakes, if the folks that own his platform decides to un-platform him, tough shit. Start your own thing. Don’t ask people for nothing.… Read more »

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

“There’s a whole lot of falseness in the interwebs . . .”

There’s a whole lot of falseness in the public libraries as well. Which ones do we burn first?

“Start your own thing.”

How do you start your own backbone?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

Blaximus
I see a STARK difference between Roll’s content and the batshit of Jones and Molyneaux.

So what?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

@palmasailor

Gab is intended as an alternative to Twitter, not to WordPress. Text will hang on longer than vidja. I expect the purge to clear dissent off of YouTube, Vimeo, first etc. because the under-30’s are more video oriented. Their delicate, flower-like minds must be protected from any messages not approved of by the Female Imperative.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

Blaximus
I also see a STARK difference between ” different opinion ” and outright bullshit as a majority of content.

One man’s stark truth is another man’s outright bullshit. You’re all in favor of choosing sides?
Careful what you wish for.

theasdgamer
3 years ago

Blax, the creativity of entrepreneurs has privatized the public square. There is a cornucopia of implications that follow from that fact. Perhaps the large monopolies like Google and WordPress need to be broken up. It’s as if two large printing press makers decided not to sell their presses to newspapers.

theasdgamer
3 years ago

I can find a lot of accurate info on the web…on the MSM, not so much.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

palamsailor Yup I know .. I said ‘like’ Gab.. I read what you wrote. Gab is like Twitter. WordPress is not like Gab or Twitter. Words have meanings. I think it’s all about to shut down any minute. Doubtful. That would be painfully obvious to normal people. I also have friends that are working on free speech alternatives to all of it. Good on them. I hope they are not working on an alternative to YouTube, though. We’ll see how it pans out but we are approaching a tipping point There are large cultural currents at work, deplatforming certain dissent… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

” Blax, the creativity of entrepreneurs has privatized the public square. There is a cornucopia of implications that follow from that fact. Perhaps the large monopolies like Google and WordPress need to be broken up. It’s as if two large printing press makers decided not to sell their presses to newspapers.”

The population was disinterested while all of the monopoly building was going on. Still are.

Consequences. Actions, inactions, consequences.

Omni Corp is right around the corner.

… I’d buy that for a dollar.

rugby11
3 years ago

Developmental changes in the cortical sources of spontaneous alpha throughout adolescence
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167876018300424
Puberty…

Experimental models for evaluating non-genomic estrogen signaling
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0039128X1730199X

Fight or flight? Effects of vaginal oestrus on cortisol, testosterone, and behaviour in guinea pig female-female interaction
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S037663571730387X

Off to a meeting but a few other things ive been reading up on.

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

Boarders have been repelled and Stefan is dramatically e-begging.

rugby11
3 years ago

In wolves, play behaviour reflects the partners’ affiliative and dominance relationship
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000334721830126X

Social physique anxiety and physical activity behaviour of male and female exercisers
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17461391.2017.1417485

Experimentally evoked same-sex sexual behaviour in pigeons: better to be in a female-female pair than alone
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-20128-3

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

“Social physique anxiety and physical activity behaviour of male and female exercisers”

Abstract:

Nothing to see here.

While I find the study to be the sort of silly thing done just because money was available, it is interesting to see a null result published.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

kfg
Stefan is dramatically e-begging

So back to his usual form, then?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

Completely OT.

The Chinese engaged in heavy attacks on Internet of Things objects in Finland just before the Trump / Putin summit. Basic stuff such as attempts at SSH exploits on TV’s, security cams, etc. Anything that might provide an image and/or audio was targeted.

Now, the IoT provides a lot of simple tools to use in cranking up a DDOS attack, also. Which brings me to this:

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2018/08/russian-military-spy-software-hundreds-thousands-home-routers/150474/

Ivan’s not under your bed. He’s hiding in your cablemodemrouter.

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

“So back to his usual form, then?”

At his crude, overacting worst.

SJF
SJF
3 years ago

Rugby,

What’s with the hamstering?

You are obviously going through a rough patch.

Move forward. eliminate your negative thoughts, one by one.

Stop being is grief stages.

Act.

You have enough data, stop trying to get more.

You all know what is going on here.

You got nothing left to lose by climbing the next ascent.

Move upwards.

Get out of your fucking head and just go forward. You have all the info you need. Stop trying. And just do the script.

rugby11
3 years ago

Social susceptibility: Leader-follower dynamics of influential individuals in a social group
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180102114226.htm

Stressed out? Try smelling your partner’s shirt.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180104120247.htm

Personal growth often coexists with post-traumatic stress following natural disasters
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180110123833.htm

rugby11
3 years ago

SJF
It’s Nathan’s death from 2016 but I’m also going through some tough resistance.

Objectification of women results in lack of empathy
Empathetic brain responses reduced in sexualized representations of women
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180111090832.htm

Oxytocin helps the brain to modulate social signals
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180117152501.htm

Feelings determine from which side we embrace each other
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180124085921.htm

theasdgamer
3 years ago

Rugby, it’s up to you to decide whether you want to continue your slow-motion suicide or move on with your life. Life can be good if you choose to live it. Don’t live in the past. Don’t chase water under the bridge.

rugby11
3 years ago

God is a women
https://www.gofugyourself.com/photos/ariana-grande-on-elle/cover-1531457258

Hormones may affect girls’ interests, but not their gender identity or playmates
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180301164809.htm

Academic study finds women wearing heavy makeup less likely to be perceived as leaders
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180309095439.htm

Bluepillprofessor
Bluepillprofessor
3 years ago

The way of the superior man by Dieda is endorsed by mrp because it is useful for guys in the anger stage and explained the joy of women in a better way than any other book. The mods agree it can be misused. The mods also agree it is not dream girls and dynamite but fuck goddesses of the universe and bloops with atom bombs. You need discernment when reading this book! When we say mrp is red pill on hard mode we are not kidding.

foxguy148
foxguy148
3 years ago

ASD, “Less confident and feeling like they have less status relative to women. Feeling inadequate because they don’t live in their feelings like girls do. So they try to be more like girls and…shock!…they end up more like girls–because they were told that they were supposed to be more like girls. Told over and over and over and over…by teachers…by news media…by movies…by mothers and other female relatives…by other boys. It’s like they’ve been brainwashed or something. And told over and over that boys and girls are “equal.” Ding, Ding , Ding , Winner Winner Chicken Dinner! See this everyday,… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
3 years ago

Diedas (His real name is Greenberg) book and his entire “career” actually is focused on extreme blue pill idealism. In the book, he simply uses RP awareness to try to prop up blue pill idealism. His understanding and presentation of RP awareness is very thorough, detailed and organized. BUT, he presents it couched in hopeless blue pill idealism as his writings are interwoven and over woven with an extremely fantastic and unrealistic expectation of what women and sex “should” be. His MO is to use a the RP to capture or create a BP ideal. His writings are sickly over… Read more »

rugby11
3 years ago

theasdgamer
Ill be ok just stuff comes up in my dreams.

Are you really into me?
Uncertainty dampens sexual attractiveness of a possible partner
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180608003206.htm

Study examines alcohol’s effects on sexual aggression
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180705114017.htm

Long-term and short-term relationships initially indistinguishable
Researchers found that paths diverge after knowing someone for a while
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180514140815.htm

marelius
marelius
3 years ago

NBTM As the say – YMMV. It sounds like you are getting about 3mpg from the TWSM “vehicle”. By contrast, I think I am getting about 20-25 mpg. As BPP implied upthread, Its all in how you drive. I’m betting you lean atheist, assume that what you can perceive about this life is all there is, and that you disdain LTRs, because that is how YOU feel about things. Kudos for knowing yourself – its all good. However, I and many other MRP guys don’t see things that way, so we get other useful things from the book than you… Read more »

theasdgamer
3 years ago

Rugby, how about some field reports if you really have moved on? Even if the FRs aren’t about girls–how about what you’re doing self-improvement-wise?

theasdgamer
3 years ago

I’m/was vulnerable to this shit to as a man too, but it better be some HB7+ girl not some HB3 or 4, fuck man.

Slaving away, no way. Not because some broad looks good. I work for me and Mrs. Gamer is along for the ride. (Joe thought that Mrs. Gamer was wrinkled. Lol, no. She’s asian.)

rugby11
3 years ago

We start caring about our reputations as early as kindergarten. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180320123511.htm Thank your brain for gratitude Neuroimaging research demonstrates how the brain translates altruism into feelings of thankfulness https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180507134649.htm Fathers’ early parenting quality affected by mothers Study shows importance of maternal ‘gatekeeping’ https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180611133434.htm 80/20 principle and growing up theasdgamer Meet this girl named Mellisa on the bus the other day. Made up a Joke about how its up to her to save the planet. When you say Field report do you mean approaching the girl or banging her? Or for self improvement i started my own business? Does giving blood… Read more »

SJF
SJF
3 years ago

Thanks for the comment BluepillProfessor. The book caused minor Anger Phase for me 12 years ago when I first read it (and I had been Betatized). I’m not very good at Denial,Anger, Bargaining or Depression. I’m very good at Accepting Reality. The book benefitted me a lot in the last 5 years when used as a Red Pill tool, or in a red pill paradigm. (By the way, I was really able to benefit from BluePillProfessors book as a Red Pill too. Thanks BPP! ). Understanding how men act. (A man’s way.) Understanding how women feel. (Dealing with women) And… Read more »

foxguy148
foxguy148
3 years ago

ASD “I’m/was vulnerable to this shit to as a man too, but it better be some HB7+ girl not some HB3 or 4, fuck man. Slaving away, no way. Not because some broad looks good. I work for me and Mrs. Gamer is along for the ride. (Joe thought that Mrs. Gamer was wrinkled. Lol, no. She’s asian.)” I was referring to my blue pill days, now adays doesn’t matter what the HB she is to me. I’m partial to Asians myself , they age well but you gotta be on your game, tons of white guys being led around… Read more »

theasdgamer
3 years ago

@fox

lol, yeah, asians can be manipulative as hell…pretend submissiveness while they lead you by the nose…and sexually liberated…or pretend to be a madonna….pretty much like other women, lol…their advantage is that their skin ages better if they take care of it, which most do…otoh, they have flat asses and usually smaller boobs

theasdgamer
3 years ago

@rugby

A field report shows what you are doing positively, moving forward, whether it’s banging girls, flirting with girls, playing with a new toy, starting a new job, dealing with a divorce…pretty much anything where you are trying to accomplish your mission.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

rugby
Haven’t acted out for 2 days just been sad lately about not doing enough for people i am around.

Dancing is good. You lifting, getting regular upper body exercise? Getting 30 min of walking per day? Enough sunlight?

Rugby, you have to take proper care of yourself before you can help others.

rugby11
3 years ago

theasdgamer
Here are my goals
Finished up my own business. Head to gym later. Eat less sugar and make my own food.

Anonymous Reader
Here are my lifting goals
284 bench
431 dead lifts
372 squats
Walking right after this. Garden in sunlight

Parental care is associated with mate value in adult offspring, research shows
Receiving parental care is associated with increased attractiveness as a partner

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180220095016.htm

Biological sex tweaks nervous system networks, plays role in shaping behavior
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180308143036.htm

Women’s preference for masculine faces not linked with hormones
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180507074239.htm

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago
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