The Epiphany Phase Revisited

One of the best things about the Red Pill being a praxeology is that nothing’s set in stone. Like any good science there’s always room for reinterpretation and updating ideas per new information, or sometimes it’s simply something or some observation that seemingly went overlooked that adjust an old interpretation. Reader Playdontpay brought something to light in an old post, Three Strikes:

I agree with the 3 Strike rule for younger chicks of 30 and under but once she hits about 32 something seems to flip in their heads, women of this age and up seem determined to hold out longer even if they want to fuck.

It’s probably because at this age her clock is ticking and she doesn’t have time to “waste” on flings that would won’t lead to commitment, so she re-invents herself as a “quality woman” in the hope of convincing you that she is LTR/ marriage material.

It’s up to you to decide if you can push the envelope to 5-6 dates max but I would only do this if I was sure it was her ASD holding her back and not down to a low interest level.

If you wait to date 5-6 and the sex is sub par, don’t stick around waiting for it to improve as you’ve been sold a lemon and the juice ain’t worth the squeeze!

This seemingly innocuous comment made me think a lot about some of my older material and how newer readers might interpret it. There’s actually quite a bit to unpack in this short response, so with the benefit of over a decade of hindsight I thought I might riff on it.

“…once she hits about 32 something seems to flip in their heads, women of this age and up seem determined to hold out longer even if they want to fuck.”

Any long time reader of this blog will immediately associate this phenomenon with the Epiphany Phase women enter when the reality of their lessened capacity to compete intrasexually with their younger sisters becomes unignorable. Generally this phase comes at or around the ages of 29-31, however, depending on circumstance this may come sooner for some women (those whose attractiveness is already understood to be suboptimal), and sometimes much later for others (women who bought into the lie that their attractiveness is subjective and indefinite). I’ve written many essays about this phase and dedicated two sections of Preventive Medicine to it. It’s very recognizable, and very understandable when you have a good grasp of how women prioritize the ‘needs’ of their sexual strategy as they mature.

The Epiphany Phase is really a woman’s subconscious knowledge of The Wall coming into her cognitive acknowledgement. However, what’s not so easy to grasp is why a woman who’s come to this phase would actually make it more difficult for a prospective long-term, parentally invested, hopefully idealized, mate to become intimate with her?

On several occasions I’ve proposed just the opposite; that Hypergamy cannot afford to wait for 100% perfect confirmation of a man’s Alpha status before she has sex with him. This Hypergamic bypass is actually one vulnerability women have with respect to well calibrated Game. Even for women in the luteal phase of ovulatory shift, (when by all means she ought to be seeking the provisioning, comforting and rapport of more Beta men’s attentions) women will be prompted to sexual immediacy and urgency when presented with the prospects of fucking – and hopefully locking down – what she sees as an Alpha man. It is entirely possible to bypass women’s natural, ovulation-induced, Hypergamy when you present yourself as the right Alpha incentive to her (I’ve done this myself). This is the prioritization women’s natural sexual strategy has, and in reality, a woman faking an orgasm for a perceived Alpha, or having proceptive sex with him in her luteal phase only confirms the urgency women’s natural Hypergamy has with regard to locking down an optimal man.

But why would a woman who, for all intents, knows her capacity to attract men is waning be so insistent on delaying her becoming intimate with him? This seems counterintuitive, particularly in light of the fact that most women in their younger, Party Years eagerly had sex with men for whom they made little or no ‘rules’ for in order to become sexual with them. It’s a common enough idea in the manosphere that women will ride the ‘cock carousel’ in their 20s until they realize a lessened capacity to attract guys and then seek to cash out of the sexual marketplace before or around 30. Usually this ends up with a girl settling for a Beta in waiting.

But why would the rules and prerequisites be something she insists on now but didn’t while she was in her sexual peak years?

Vaginas and Moral Compasses

There was a recent article on the HuffPo quoting Cate Blanchett saying “My moral compass is in my vagina“, and while this might be the red meat clickbait the HuffPo relies upon for revenue, it adequately sums up how Hypergamy, a woman’s sexual agency and a woman’s capacity to utilize it throughout her life directs women’s intrinsic and extrinsic priorities throughout their lives. I realize this wasn’t how Cate intended her comment to be taken; she wanted to express some inherent guiding principle for women in an era she believes women are still repressed in, but in doing so she illustrates the real compass women have with regard to moral interpretations of their ideas and behaviors. If something gratifies, optimizes or otherwise benefits a woman’s driving impulse of Hypergamy, it sets a rationale for moral interpretation by her. Or in other words, if it’s good for what optimizes Hypergamy, it’s good for women.

As men we want the easy answer to be the best answer. So it seems obvious to us that a woman making arbitrarily ‘new’ rules of intimacy for her prospectively long-term suitors would follow some epiphany where she comes to her senses, realizes the error of her ways and strives for being some new ‘quality woman’ to represent herself as. As such, her quality should symmetrically be matched by a man’s quality. And that quality should logically take some time to determine. This is, in fact, most women’s self and public rationale for making a ‘quality’ man wait for her sexually when in the past she had no such obstacles for the hawt guy she met on spring break in the Cancun foam cannon party.

We want to believe this because we’re taught to expect such reasonings from a girl who now, at 29, wants to get right with God or “start doing things the right way” with guys. Social conventions abound that condition us to expect that once women, “get it out of their systems” (by following the Sandbergian sexual strategy) she’ll realize the errors of her youthful indiscretion and magically transform into a “Quality Woman”. We want to believe it, and it’s in women’s best interests that we do believe it.

Most Beta men (and not a few self-described Red Pill men) want to believe in a woman’s Epiphany about herself. They love nothing better than the idea of the reformed porn star who’s finally “grown up” and come to her senses about the error of her youth’s indiscretions with the guys they grew up to hate as an archetype. Better still, they’ll feed that rationale/fantasy in the hope that her Epiphany will include her saving her best sex for him since now she’s come to understand that it’s been the ‘nice guys’ all along she ought to have been getting with if not for ‘society’ convincing her otherwise.

The reformed-slut-with-epiphany archetype is a trope Beta men want to forgive because it represents vindication for their self-image, Blue Pill conviction and perseverance (they never gave up on her). Women with the pasts that make them good candidates for eliciting this rationale know men well enough to see the utility it has in securing Blue Pill men’s resources and long term security.

Socially, she’s got countless sources of ‘go grrrl’ moral reinforcement from both men and women. In fact, as a Man, just my bringing this to light makes me guilty of being “judgmental” in popular female-defined culture. And that’s the insurance women will always have in their Epiphany Phase – whether it’s a reformed slut coming to terms with the Wall at 29, or the ex-wife who frivorced her dutiful (but unexciting) Beta to have her own epiphany and discover herself a la Eat, Prey, Love, the social net of feminine-primacy is there with easy rationalizations to catch any and every woman’s Hypergamous fall.

Holding Out

Yet still she hesitates in giving herself to that Beta provisioner.

We excuse this hesitation by claiming it’s because, now, she wants to be extra sure about him. The Alpha men she so effortlessly gave herself to were all, of course, wolves in sheep’s clothing (e.g. men are evil) and in her epiphany she must exercise caution. And if you think it’s because of anything else, well, you’re a misogynist, so shut up.

A woman holding out on a guy during this phase of her life really isn’t about any moral epiphany, it’s really her hindbrain coming to terms with having to make herself become sexual with a type of guy whom previously she would never have naturally flowed into having sex with. We like to think a now ‘quality woman’ is deserving of putting a man through a set of qualifying tests, that seems like appropriate prudence, but in fact her reservation about fucking him comes from a deep seated, subconscious understanding that, while the guy might make for an excellent parental investment, he’s not going to be someone she feels a sexual urgency to fuck.

Later she’ll bemoan that she’d rather cry over an asshole than date a guy who bores her, but in the Epiphany she has to force this subconscious understanding down in order to better insure her Hypergamous security into the future.

This latent, limbic sexual uncertainty has nothing to do with vetting the ‘perfect guy’ for the ‘quality woman’ it’s about a woman, who likely for the first time in her life, is presented with the challenge of having to bypass her hindbrain Hypergamy in order to secure her long term security. Thus, we see this demographic of women make even more rules for a Beta to deserve her intimacy, while a more Alpha tingle-generating man she was more than willing to break rules to get to bed with.

It’s important that we focus on the idea that a man, any man, ought to be deserving of a woman’s sexual ‘gift’. We get this rationale from the affirmations of even the most well meaning of men. Even though the concept of Hypergamy is regularly proven through her Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks strategy prior to her epiphany, the Beta mindset is always ready to do more and expect more from men who would get with his ‘quality woman’. A woman on the expiration of her SMV likes nothing more than to be told, and to encourage the idea in men, that “she deserves better” in spite of her past decisions.

Yet still she hesitates having sex with the ‘perfect’ guy who is ready to overlook all of it.

This is an internal conflict between what her psyche knows she needs to do to ensure her security, and what her hindbrain wants in an exciting Alpha lover. What “flips” in a woman’s head is her inability to resolve her sexuality with her self-consciousness in having to force it to be with a man who likely doesn’t merit it for her – but this meriting her sex, up to now, has always been a process she left to her hindbrain to decide. In a sense it is quality control, but not for the self-righteous rationales we’re supposed to believe it is.

There is a lot of inner negotiation on the part of women entering their Epiphany Phase, trying to reconcile the long term security needs of her Super Ego and the visceral short term sexual needs of her Id. At some point, what sexualized qualities satisfies a woman’s Id she no longer has the capacity to maintain so there comes an inner conversation of negotiation over what available man represents the best compromise depending on her need and her acknowledgement of it – and her true capacity to satisfy her long term security with or without him.

Now introduce a Beta man into this inner negotiation; one who’s been preparing his whole life to be the best, most dependable provisioner that his conditioning would make of him. His influence enters the negotiation process, but her Id can never find satisfaction. Thus, the negotiation becomes one of her Ego negotiating with her Id trying to convince it to refigure it’s visceral Alpha Fucks needs to accommodate this guy since he represents just such long term security as the Super Ego needs.

There’s a bit more to this reevaluation of the Epiphany Phase I may do soon in another post. However, I think I should add here that a lot of not-so-genuine confusion on the part of well-meaning guys about why a woman would so easily break her own rules to fuck an Alpha guy while require them to jump through hoops to get to a mitigated sexuality with her is primarily due to a woman’s hindbrain expectation about what sex should be like with either type of guy.

I’ve related in the past how women will gladly engage in a same night lay with a guy they see as a hot Alpha sex opportunity, but would never consider if she saw the guy as “relationship material”. This situation is a clichéd joke now – we laugh at it as “chick logic”, but the more Blue Pill men become aware of the Myth of the Good Guy the more these quandaries will give them pause to think about the women whose pasts they’re ready to excuse and the women they’re simply never going to consider “relationship material” themselves. They’ll think twice about the social order that’s encouraging them to “man up and marry those sluts”.

295 comments

  1. @zipper

    Unconsciously (hamster), it really is them trying to reconcile, justify and assauge all they fucked up shit they’ve done and still do

    Neo: Why do my eyes hurt?

    Hamster: Because there’s something wrong with reality.

  2. @Playdontpay

    I did that as well. I told her she should get a boyfriend.

    I’ve told others the same thing.

    They come back within 4 months providing you don’t chase them.

  3. I had another convo this a.m. with Mrs. Gamer about Red Pill topics…she likes to take the FI position by default and let me argue her out of it to show my high value. It’s just a shit test and she likes geeks…goes all the way back to the genius in glasses in Mrs. Gamer’s grade school. (This sentence has been brought to you by the number 29 and the letter ‘G’.)

    I also persuaded Mrs. Gamer that it’s wiser to get people whom you don’t like to like you rather than to ignore them.

    Fun sexy times followed.

    Sometimes explaining IS demonstrating. Always and only in your Frame.

  4. Just bought both books hard cover from Amazon, going to read on a long flight in a few days. Second edition came in quick, the first one might be on back order, hoping it comes in soon. These will be passed down through generations for sure.

  5. It sounds like for most of us it is: Sex on first date: Ditch the girl later after you get bored with her (you will get bored eventually, it never lasts for ever). Sex on second date: Ditch the girl later after you get bored. Sex on third date: Ditch the girl later after you get bored kwhich will be probably sooner seeing that she has less tingles for you). No sex on third date: Next.

    So what do these women have left?

    Many of us are guilty of breaking a girl’s virginity and bouncing, some of us doing it when we were already married. Those girls are now alpha widows. Who can they run to? Should they live alone for the rest of their lives? Should they accept that they will be bounced on from one casual fuck to the next for the rest of their lives?

  6. ASD

    Do you find that tickling a girl is foreplay? Anything that makes her giggle is foreplay?

    Tickling her clit?

    I keed…. Yes anything where you are touching her, and dominant and eliciting physical and emotional response is basic build up foreplay to the vagbrain… I mean you remember being 13 right? All about playing “tag” and other innocent games where you touched and held.

    I wouldn’t go around as the “tickle monster” but it has its time and place.

  7. @Sentient

    re OM…

    Whoa! shit test fail on aisle 3!!!… lol…

    from that article…

    Afterward, my OM partner and I took a walk and discussed everything from our sexual fantasies to our body image insecurities. We also talked matter-of-factly about the way my vagina was shaped and the way he stroked it. Somehow it wasn’t awkward at all. Maybe that’s because there was no expectation that we were ever going to date or have sex.

    just one more step down the beta orbit/provider path… essentially the guy is just a living sex toy…lol… who doesn’t even have an expectation of having a ‘hope’… (he does get to actually touch a pussy though (with rubber gloves on…lol)… so it’s win-”’win”’…lol)

    the FI’s version of robot ‘sex’…lol…

    good luck!

  8. dr zipper
    However, I have literally heard these women say things like, “… all you have to do is sit around thinking positive thoughts of what you want, and the universe will sense your new reality and deliver it.” They never incorporate the actual work needed to make it happen.

    Churchgoing girl version: “God will bring a husband into my life when I am ready to receive him”, so no need to actually go out and actively search. Not a good look in the 20’s, really not a good look over 30. But easy to see in just about any church of over 100 people.

    Solipsism is inherent in the female. Just to restate the obvious…

  9. OM, it’s part of the “slow sex” movement courtesy of the book of that name, by one Nicole Daedone. Reviews at Amazon, at Goodreads, all the usual places.

    Skimmed it at a bookstore, and somewhere in there I recall chuckling at her elliptical, “it just happened” observation about clitoral de-sensitization due to a whole lot of vibrator use and how OMing just was so special after a while because spirituatlity or something. And yes, the “giver” is supposed to just strum on her with no expectation of anything because so vibrationally pure or something; new level of beta-orbiterdom.

    Once you see female solipsism, it’s probably impossible to unsee it, so just accept it as a feature.

  10. I read an article in which the singer Ciara and NFL quarterback Russell Wilson were going to wait until they got married before engaging in sexual activity. This article was in July 2015 and they married in July 2016. Russell is a devout christian and wanted to do it ‘God’s way’. He also wanted to know how he would feel about her without sex, being a part of the equation.
    If I’m being honest I can see the logic in it.

    Although in the comment section of the article (this was before it was revealed it was Russell’s idea to abstain) a poster said “I bet she didn’t make 50 Cent or Future (the father of her 2 year old child) wait for it”
    To which a female poster replied that “she’s learned from her mistakes and doing things right, now”.

    I paraphrased the quotes, though it shows exactly how a woman will interpret the epiphany phase to men.

    Rollo is spot on, in his assessment. Even down to the language women will use to excuse another woman’s past behaviour.

  11. @Cheupez: “So what do these women have left?”

    If they could tell me, I’d know.

    When I was 15 my summer girlfriend introduced herself to my mother with, “Has he told you about me? I can cook and sew.” They don’t do that any more.

  12. @KFG

    Quick question. (sneaky, question, though, obligatory LOL) I’ve been wondering. Was your mother a wonderful mother for you as a man? Unconditional love of a mother and all?

    For reference, mine was. In terms of unconditional love and just doing her thing, not being too self centered, nor trying to hard to be a mother. Mine had no helicoptering involved. But nurtured. Recent discussions with her had her asking me if I remembered her “going back to work”. I said, not really as I had no recollection. She was a set of books 1.0 mindset, but always had a sisterhood, IDK feminism 1st or 2nd stage, more properly made out to be merely high self esteem. I think she was born around 1933.

  13. If she’s not down for sex after 5-6 dates in this era of hook-up culture, then that’s the fault of incompetent game by the male unable to escalate. Unless very religious or virgin, all females are down for 3rd date sex. Otherwise they wouldn’t agree to go out on 3rd date.

  14. Reminds me of this post:
    https://therationalmale.com/2012/07/09/the-adolescent-social-skill-set/

    It’s funny how women will utilize very adult social skill sets while in their peak SMV years and enjoying their party years, yet revert to an adolescent skill set when they hit the Epiphany Phase. There’s a need to reimagine oneself as naive and innocent with a Beta in Waiting because often this is where those kinds of Beta men are themselves with resect to getting to intimacy with their (now) dream girl.

    Their idealized girl has to be somewhat Pollyanna or the ‘poor me, I was used and abused by Alphas’ character has less impact.

  15. @fact comment

    Wrong

    They go on much more than three dates with no intention of having any sex if they’re provider hunters with no genuine desire.

  16. @SJF: “Was your mother a wonderful mother for you as a man?”

    Not a word that would come to my mind. What I have said to others before is, “I did OK in choosing mothers.” She had her flaws and she was Like That, but she was a cut above.

    Unconditional love, yes, and family by the first set of books as well. She fought for me, hard, when I needed it, all my life, but accepted that she was to butt out of my manly troubles when I was 5 and my young adulthood at about 12. No helipcotering. When I went into Manhattan for the day or Pittsburgh for the long weekend (like there’s any other kind in Pittsburgh) she didn’t see me off at the bus. She said her goodbye at home and let me make my own way to the station and board as a man.

    In her last hours I was having trouble getting her to be concerned about her own condition. She was too busy trying not to be a burden on me. Not a death vigil. She was just recovering strength after an illness and needed help.

    As it happens, she was born in ’33. Grew up on a chicken farm outside of a New England whaling port. Hard country full of hard living. Wiped out by the Great ’38 hurricane, built up again from scratch in the heart of the Depression. As a youngster made her own spending money with a rural paper route. Worked as a waitress to pay her own way through a good college. Founded a department while she was at it. They don’t make formative years like that ’round these parts no more.

  17. Since I started exclusively banging and plating girls under 30 I’ve found fewer of these types of problems.

    The shit tests for the most part are more playful and the interactions are not quite as drama-filled.

    If they are drama-filled you get that early. Without a Red Pill understanding and decent game I never would have had the confidence to pursue these women.

    Friends of mine are dumb-founded because….because…the FI dictates “age appropriate” girls.

    Some will start to tease about “cradle-robber” etc…until they realize….Oh…these girls ARE adults by ever definition.

    Also being the older guy if you’re taking care of yourself your SMV holds its value and girls see you as the older guy with a younger outlook on life….it’s the perfect balance for them: experience and adventure….The age thing is a DHV if you play it right (no daddy jeans….no shitty plaid shirts) because it communicates “Security” without having to be a beta provider.

  18. Mea culpa for not putting this in Field Reports.

    But, thanks for the reply KFG.

    As it befits my inscrutable self, your reply to my mother question bait was very informative in guiding me on my fathering.

    I’m having an off week, in which I scheduled a viral cold on my days off, the electrical mast got pulled off my hunting cabin in the 60 mph windstorm last week (from a red pine falling on the line across the street) and I’m stuck with hospital consults for my two weeks out of the year. (otherwise know as hell week in which to not fuck up…)

    Meanwhile, I’m faced with writing a letter of character for my son trying to lessen his last assault rap. (He was dissed by some bouncers, taken down, at a bar during last years exam week and decided to walk to the police station to complain about it while intoxicated and accidentally while vociferating, was charged with spitting on on officer). Your little essay on your mother is inspiring for me to not abdicate the role of father, uncles and grandfather to my wife’s maternal mothering.

    Oddly, I found (by asking him) he’s a Myers-Briggs ISFP and is cool as hell. Too cool (clever) by half. Which really is odd. I think he’s my son. Me being INTJ and his mother being ENFP. I find this may be a challenge going forward as he is finishing his last year of college in accounting, starting an internship at one of the “big four” firms this summer and then starting a masters year in the business school next year. He subscribed to the “perfect is boring” school of schooling (getting a 3.5 in some non-essential classes) and will graduate soon with a 3.96 GPA.

    https://www.16personalities.com/isfp-personality

    Good luck with that buddy, you’re going to need your father’s support and wealth for that (bases covered). Trying to fit a square peg in a round hole way of life. (An adventurer in a cubical profession.) I’m going to half to double down on my hands off but influential fathering. He knows his real edge and doesn’t fake it and he does lean just beyond his edge as any real superior man is known to do.

    I’ve been spending too much time, very successfully, if I say so myself, getting agency in my own relationship with his mom. But damn, I foresee, some serious mentoring to him, without so much maternal influence of his mother’s strong mothering. She’s a bit too over-mothering for his adventurous self. Time to calibrate my fathering. Mothering and fathering is complementary, but not the same. It has to run into different veins.

    Thanks for your support. That’s why the manosphere was invented.

  19. I have no use for a sewing wife. Not even a cooking one (my hse help is a fantastic cook but not one I would screw).

    So what are they left with?

    My two cents:

    Maybe we are creating a problem where none exists?

    I think modern women want freedom.

    The doctor girlfriend with two grown kids, what is she doing looking for “secutity”?

    They desire a man they cannot control so they can enjoy the feeling of being with a preselected man and at the same time get the opportunity to hook up with other men when he is out ploughing those other women.

    Infact women want a man who leaves, so they can have that convenience, some space to carry out their much desired fuckery. Mate guarding is a drag.

    The need for security from hooking up permanently with one man in this day and age is probably just an irrelevant evolusionary vestige, a defunct need.

    Maybe if there is a way for them to kill this irrelevant craving for security?

  20. “Maybe if there is a way for them to kill this irrelevant craving for security?”

    I hope not. Some pretty crappy hell holes evolve when people decide they don’t care about tomorrow.

  21. “As men we want the easy answer to be the best answer.”

    And there it is in a single sentence. An illustration of men’s inherent laziness and their propensity for self deceit.

    “Most Beta men (and not a few self-described Red Pill men) want to believe in a woman’s Epiphany about herself. They love nothing better than the idea of the reformed porn star who’s finally “grown up” and come to her senses about the error of her youth’s indiscretions with the guys they grew up to hate as an archetype. Better still, they’ll feed that rationale/fantasy in the hope that her Epiphany will include her saving her best sex for him since now she’s come to understand that it’s been the ‘nice guys’ all along she ought to have been getting with if not for ‘society’ convincing her otherwise.

    The reformed-slut-with-epiphany archetype is a trope Beta men want to forgive because it represents vindication for their self-image, Blue Pill conviction and perseverance (they never gave up on her). Women with the pasts that make them good candidates for eliciting this rationale know men well enough to see the utility it has in securing Blue Pill men’s resources and long term security.”

    The wisdom of this quote, shows us the level of narcissism required, in order, to become complicit in achieving her strategy.
    Even before discovering the red pill I knew the hubris of my own self perception, worked against me.
    It’s the reason, to this day, I can’t take a compliment.
    A few have told me this, in passing.
    A colleague was showing a fitter around and they happened upon where I was working. My colleague said something to which I can’t recall, but he finished by saying “Ollie’s a great guy”. He said it in a sombre tone as though he meant it.
    No sooner had he said it, I turned to the fitter and said “I pay him to say that.”

    I’m acutely aware of my more obvious, mental frailties and their consequences.

  22. All the Yoga/find your spiritual self comments have been entertainment gold.

    They have the stories down pat. You are just the man in the upcoming chapter.

  23. “Infact women want a man who leaves . . . ”

    That is The Model, although he is supposed to come back again when the lawn needs mowing or the drive needs shovelling.

    Women want to live here:

    While men live here:

    The social structure is neolithic matriarchy, but neolithic matriarchies never develop to that technology level, because no one has a reason to think of tomorrow. Women think tomorrow will automagically be like today, and men have no children to leave a legacy to.

    Things will end up looking like this:

    http://www.trbimg.com/img-51f0b1a5/turbine/sns-rt-cbre96o0bd000-jpg-20130724/600/600×348

  24. “They desire a man they cannot control so they can enjoy the feeling of being with a preselected man and at the same time get the opportunity to hook up with other men when he is out ploughing those other women.”

    Women’s dual sexual strategy allows for desiring an alpha male that arouses her or a beta that is attractive for provisioning (especially for the safety of her and her children). She can actually genuinely desire one or the other but can rarely have both.

  25. In the above social scenario, women imagine being in the house fucking an alpha, while a swarm of beta orbiters maintain the grounds.

  26. SJF

    Oddly, I found (by asking him) he’s a Myers-Briggs ISFP and is cool as hell. Too cool (clever) by half.

    Some unsolicited advice for your boy… Have him sign on with one of the Big Four and get his CPA. This is more valuable than his MBA. Have him grind for 2 years while finishing the CPA and then take one of the foreign postings in a money center city – they are “hardship” jobs for most of the special snowflakes in horrible places like Bermuda, Grand Cayman, Dubai, Geneva etc. He will work there for 2-3 years then get poached to go native at one of the reinsurance, hedge fund or PE firms he will be auditing and working with. From there he will transition back to stateside and work his way over from the internal accounting/CFO side of the shop to the investment/partnership side of the shop. One more bounce to a larger firm and he is set. Minimum 7 figures a year within 8 years.

    Seen it happen over and over with a few of my friend’s kids – all of whom were in trouble in high school, were very social and fratty, great golfers and socially adept. THIS skill set is what is valued on the deal teams. Anyone can run the numbers… the CPA designation is still valuable though.

    Good luck!

  27. and then he can sail the capitalist seas on what amounts to one of the few remaining legal pirate ships… captained and governed by the Pirate Code, cleverly disguised as an Operating Agreement.

    [Self Portrait]

  28. SJF

    But remind him he needs to be Red Pill in this world… nothing will ever come from hard work alone. But hard work with a knife or a gun or a bomb… that is how fortunes are made.

    Pay attention…

  29. ” . . . very social and fratty, great golfers and socially adept. THIS skill set is what is valued on the deal teams.”

    Carroll Smith’s advice to young men who want a career as a race car driver:

    Learn golf.

  30. @Sentient

    Thanks much.

    He already has an internship at PWC this summer (I think that makes him signed on with a Big Four). He is going back to get his 30+ credits this fall and winter (already signed up and has a half scholarship) and sit for the CPA next year. (His degree is in accounting and his masters next year will be in accounting.)

  31. “Carroll Smith’s advice to young men who want a career as a race car driver:
    Learn golf.”

    That was once true of officer circles too but it’s going out of vogue. Might be the same elsewhere. Maybe because more women are taking it up?

  32. @SJF A lot of really smart high-functioning people have trouble with alcohol, sober during the week and binging on weekends. (Your really fine son?) (Really easy to not see this or to be in denial about this,) (I could be reading this all wrong. Or not). (I mention this only because you’ve mentioned your son’s getting into situations several times, as if you might be soliciting a comment on it)

    Better to fix this sooner rather than later.
    Ask me how I know: lots of alcohol issues in my family system, and I have learned I really have to watch it, because I become belligerent after more than one drink. Seems to be a biochemical vulnerability for me.

    @ SJF P.s. I’m a huge fan of your comments on this blog.

  33. In a related matter…women tend to mirror men they want. When they do it correctly, its why you hear men say things like “she’s perfect or the ideal women”. It really isn’t who they really are but the type of women they think the man is looking for. So if they think you are somewhat traditional, expect them to mirror that if they have interest in you. Some women are extremely good at this with men. Most can’t hold on the to character long enough to get the man to commit though.

    I have had women that were attracted to me in obvious manner but did not know me that well. What was odd is that I knew enough about them (potential sluttiness, party girl) but when around me acted like nuns. That changed immediately once they got to know me and my NGAF attitude. Specifically, “I dont judge because I dont care”. Almost immediately their inner slut would come out and be very overt about their true intentions. Particularly effective on younger girls.

  34. “…..women imagine being in the house fucking an alpha, while a swarm of beta orbiters maintain the grounds.”

    That comment explains so much.

  35. Thanks for the comments Marko

    “Better to fix this sooner rather than later.”

    I’m not going to recite a long story narrative about it. But it is very well noted by me, my wife (both of us children of alcoholics, and my embarrassing history know to those here two years ago) and him that it is going to be a major hurdle in self discipline over time.

    To turn it into a narrative with a red pill lens some factors come into play.

    First I just realized that his personality strengths and weaknesses make this even more of a liability. Combine his personality with the Matrix Hivemind that all masculinity is misogynist and “toxic” masculinity needs to be locked up. Combine alcohol with the following blockquote and yeah, he’s going to be literally sitting on a powder keg for some time now.

    ISFPs live in a colorful, sensual world, inspired by connections with people and ideas. ISFP personalities take joy in reinterpreting these connections, reinventing and experimenting with both themselves and new perspectives. No other type explores and experiments in this way more. This creates a sense of spontaneity, making ISFPs seem unpredictable, even to their close friends and loved ones.

    ISFPs live to find ways to push their passions. Riskier behaviors like gambling and extreme sports are more common with this personality type than with others. Fortunately their attunement to the moment and their environment allows them to do better than most. ISFPs also enjoy connecting with others, and have a certain irresistible charm.

    However, if a criticism does get through, it can end poorly. Some ISFPs can handle kindly phrased commentary, valuing it as another perspective to help push their passions in new directions. But if the comments are more biting and less mature, ISFP personalities can lose their tempers in spectacular fashion.

    ISFPs are sensitive to others’ feelings and value harmony. When faced with criticism, it can be a challenge for people with this type to step away from the moment long enough to not get caught up in the heat of the moment. But living in the moment goes both ways, and once the heightened emotions of an argument cool, ISFPs can usually call the past the past and move on as though it never occurred. –16 personalities.com

    Also seen through a red pill lens, I don’t hope to enable his vices, but I also am keen to not have him neutered of his masculinity, but hope to re-direct his energies into strength, courag, mastery an honor among men with a healthy dose of self discipline instead of mere self suppression. The Feminine Imperative (and his mother) would more likely take the suppression route.

    Otherwise noted in this gay quote by Deida: “Just remember that self-discipline is not self-suppression. Suppression is when you resist and fight against your desires, keeping them as buried and unexpressed as possible. Self-discipline is when your highest desires rule your lesser desires, not through resistance, but through loving action grounded in understanding and compassion.” That could have been said in a more masculine way, but you get the gist of it.

    So that being said, my job as a father is not to simply suppress his social and creative energies. He has benefited in my parental backing after fucking up. Without encouraging him to be a hooligan. I’ll try not to be too enabling.

    The other thing is there are many other resources he has in dealing with that potential powder keg, I.E the plenty of other dopamine sources as described by Marc Lewis in The Biology of Desire. (solid family, friends, athletic endeavors like snowboarding and weightlifting, profession, access to wealth as a tool, Etc.)

    So it’s definitely not going to be taken lightly as an issue. And I think in light of the feminine imperative and the misandry bubble he’s going to really have tightrope carefully on the edge of that razor blade if he’s going to harness his masculine tactical virtues and avoid the frustrations of masculine social suppression.

    I also appreciate Sentient’s business advice above. He’s going to have to be very career creative so as to put his personality to best use. It’s certainly not going to serve him best to be a cubicle worker in accounting. He perhaps should be guided into adventurous and artistically creative finance dealings.

    ISFP CAREERS

    When it comes to the career world, ISFPs need more than just a job. Wealth, power, structure, advancement and security are all lesser goals to ISFP personalities’ greatest need: creative freedom. ISFPs crave a tangible outlet for their imagination, a chance to express themselves artistically.

    (Those placing their emphasis on predictability and long-term planning find that attempts to push those views on ISFPs are about as effective as forcing open flames to point downwards.)

    People with the ISFP personality type are passionate experimenters, and whether they’re aware of it or not, they are renowned trendsetters. With their unique perspective and simple desire to be themselves, ISFPs are natural artists, musicians and photographers, as well as designers of all stripes. Setting up shop on websites like Etsy is far more alluring to ISFPs than the confines of 9-5 administrative work in some fluorescent cubicle.

    Don’t Work at Being Ordinary

    ISFPs loathe sitting idle in colorless, unchanging environments. They are free souls and need flexibility, opportunities for improvisation, and immersive work that engages every sense. If they combine these needs with their competitive nature, ISFP personalities make great solo athletes. ISFPs prefer to live in the moment, believing the here and now is what matters most.

    This quality does have the drawback of sometimes making ISFPs reckless and shortsighted, though those pitfalls aren’t set in stone. An emphasis on practical, tangible things, objects that can be seen and touched, comes at the cost of ignoring less tangible ideas. ISFPs often feel that they have little control over processes like retirement planning – they can’t predict the future, so it does no good to worry about it now.

    Life’s too Short for Us to Bore Ourselves

    This mindset can hold them back from many of their ideal careers, such as psychology, counseling and teaching, which require long-term planning and often extensive certifications to get started. It takes a great deal of energy for ISFPs to maintain focus on a single goal like that for so long, but it can make the day-to-day so much more rewarding for the rest of their lives.

    An easier route revolves around freelance and consulting work in just about any industry that ISFPs enjoy. Whether organizing charity events, working with hospitals to make patients’ stays more pleasant, or laying stone to help make a house a home, ISFPs always seem to find a way to make the world a little more beautiful and exciting, and to make a living in the process.

  36. Actually looking for a reformed porn star is frankly bizarre. What’s the upside, exactly?

    “I know it’s a lot of mileage by many different drivers, most of whom weren’t very careful, but …”

  37. “Actually looking for a reformed porn star is frankly bizarre. What’s the upside, exactly?”

    Advertisement says:
    Bargain basement discount pricing. And an unlimited return policy.
    (if you don’t read the fine print very carefully)

  38. Betas looking for retired porn stars (hookers, as they were known) have a thirst hamster which has done 20 years of prison yard lifting. But beta guy, in order to have a good life you first need to beat up that hamster. Then make your decisions.

  39. SJF

    There isn’t much more out there in terms of creative freedom than sitting atop a pile of money with a broad investment mandate and a tight crew.

    Every day is an adventure.

  40. Sentient
    Useful career advice, thanks.

    What would you (and others) recommend for someone with a nerdy engineering background and some early low level managerial experience? Move closer to customers, ie sales? Take a few steps back and start a new thing in finances (perhaps too late now to execute your plan, too many other commitments)? Work on a side business (but where to gain experience outside of current engineering stuff)?

    I’ve realized I’been following societal BP rules (get good grades, work hard, slowly climb up) and got stuck in a 9-5 corporate job with no or little progression with limited options. Enough to live, too little to break free. Like discovering you’ve been BB in a sexless marriage.

  41. @Sentient

    Got it. Thanks.

    I was going to post the following in Field Reports as relevant to the approach anxiety thread, except Rollo asked ” ….that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible.”

    This relates to ego as not full self and how to not have your ego cock-block your real self (Id, Ego and SuperEgo, otherwise known as your True Self).

    First off is one of the more helpful things that KFG gets a big hat tip for–Alan Watt’s philosophical writings.

    http://reset.me/story/7-profound-lessons-from-the-books-of-alan-watts/

    The Taboo Against Knowing Yourself

    The most strongly enforced of all known taboos is the taboo against knowing who or what you really are behind the mask of your apparently separate, independent, and isolated ego.
    On seeing through the illusion of the ego, it is impossible to think of oneself as better than, or superior to, others for having done so. In every direction there is just the one Self playing its myriad games of hide-and-seek. Birds are not better than the eggs from which they have broken. Indeed, it could be said that a bird is one egg’s way of becoming other eggs. Egg is ego, and bird is the liberated Self.

    “The universe is the game of the self, which plays hide and seek forever and ever.” -Alan Watts

    From the late fifties to early seventies, Alan Watts (1915-1973) introduced the West to Eastern philosophy, which in part fueled the spirit and imagination of the beat and countercultural movements. In recent years, Watts’ lectures have reemerged on the Internet with the help of his fans and his son Mark Watts, and also the creators of South Park, Trey Parker and Matt Stone, who have animated this talk that has over 2 million views. Listening to his voice gives the best sense of his personality. He’s assured, relaxed, encouraging, and British. The combination gives the feeling he’s directing his words at your inner child.

    He was a prolific man who wrote 25 books, lectured as Dean of the Institute of Asian Studies in San Francisco, hosted a radio show on Berkeley’s free radio KPFA and recorded television specials.

    In his book The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are, Watts draws from Vedanta, Buddhism (Zen in particular), quantum physics, and Freudian psychology, and combines them in a singular acrobatic philosophy. With this, he tries to reorient and deconstruct the modern West’s conception of an alienated, disembodied self — including the persistent myth that humans are ‘against’ or ‘above’ nature — and shows a holistic self, living ‘within’ nature and the greater cosmos.

    For Watts, the task of aligning with nature and our genuine self requires a basic awareness of “nothingness.” By fearing void and nothingness, or the “cosmic background,” Watts thinks we’re playing a broken game of “white-versus-black,” when the greater picture is one of “white-and-black.” Form cannot exist without nothingness; foreground is inseparable from background. It’s a modification of Zen directed at the modern ego, a retelling of the wisdom of Eastern philosophy for the West’s particular psychological, spiritual, scientific, and cultural hangups. (Not that these hangups couldn’t also be that of any industrialized culture, East or West.) Death and life are opposite sides of the same cosmic coin, Watts reiterates, and anxiety around death is in part a result of ‘forgetting’ this oneness.

    These notions, given half a century to digest, might seem at this point a little easier to reckon with, but they were (and are) radically novel ideas.

    Second off is Deida’s Chapter 43 in TWSM that relates to not having Oneitis, not being so frustrated in chasing pussy, and having your own sense of purpose but using women’s attractiveness for your directed purpose, missions and pursuits. Straight up Red Pill……

    Quote:

    Use Her Attractiveness as a Slingshot Through Appearance

    A good woman is a source of inspiration and attraction into the world for a man. He must never forget, however, that neither the world nor his woman is the purpose of his existence. His practice is always to feel through women and the world, without suppression or disdain, into the their source or very nature. A man’s attraction to women must be converted from attraction to women into attraction through women. He must feel his desire without suppression, and then feel through his desire into the source-energy of desire. He must feel through her beauty, into the very delight of which her beauty is a but a ripple and reminder. His whole relation to appearance is epitomized in his relation to women, either as obsession, distraction, or revelation.

    In your worship of women, never forget that they die. In your enjoyment of pleasure and delight, never forget that your sensations and feelings are fleeting, and never absolutely enough. Women can attract you, heal you, and inspire your gifts, but they will never satisfy you absolutely. Never. And you know this.

    This is why women are so frustrating to you. Their promise attracts you, in one way or another, perhaps many times a day. And yet, throughout your life, you have learned and will continue to learn that they cannot make good on the promise. The fulfillment that seems like a woman is actually unavailable in her form.

    The play of your body wanting her body is the most obvious hoax of fulfillment. If you have ever gotten the woman you’ve wanted, you know that it’s never as good as you hoped for, at least not for very long. And yet you continue to be attracted, over and over and over, to the same woman or to different women. It’s all the same thing. You are deceived by the mirage of your own desire. You are deluded by your own excitement. Women are not to blame. They are to be cherished.

    And felt through. To feel a woman, and be merely yanked by your desire for her form, is stupid. Bulls and houseflies are yanked by feminine forms and desire. It is an endless, stupid round of mirage, desire, and need. And yet, so much of your life goes to looking at, thinking about, and desiring women, it’s not something that can simply be shucked. But it is something that can be felt through.

    Like a slingshot, the momentum of your desire can be used to deliver you to the source that women only promise.

    Women are the epitome of appearance, all appearance, everything around you, potential and actual. And like women, all appearance seems to promise you something you want. You want success from your job. You want love from your woman. You want pleasure from your body. You want obedience from your dog. When you don’t get what you want—when you lose money, your woman hates you, your body is in pain, and your dog bites you—you are unhappy.

    When you do get what you want, you are less unhappy.

    You are least unhappy when you are relieved of the need to get anything at all from appearance. Just driving in your car, wanting nothing, watching the trees go by, can be an epiphany of perfection. Deep sleep, orgasm, a day of fishing, looking into an infant’s eyes, these occasions can relax you from your search long enough to realize that you already have what you seek, that what appearances promise is a revelation of your own deep and inherently blissful nature.

    You are that which you seek, but you have left your own deepness and are looking elsewhere. The stress of not finding it creates its own need to be released. And so the cycle continues. You are chasing your own tail, and much of the time that tail looks suspiciously like a woman.

    But you need not stop chasing. Instead, chase. Allow yourself to feel how badly you want her. Feel how deep is the itch you want scratched. Feel the need that drives you, for most of your adult life, to yearn for a woman, in flesh or in fantasy. And discover what it is you really want. You’ve had tit. You’ve had pussy. You’ve had nurturing. You’ve had wild passion. And none of it lasted. It wasn’t even that good as long as it did last. Your need is far deeper than any woman can provide. So what is it?

    Your ultimate desire is for the union of consciousness with its own luminosity, wherein all appearance is recognized as your deep, blissful nature, and there is only One. Your desire for union with a woman is a stepped-down version of this ultimate spiritual need.

    You can use your desire as a doorway to spiritual oneness. Magnify your desiring to the brink of madness. Sustain it with full breath, relaxed body, and open heart. Embrace your woman, if you have one, and give her what you want from her. Give it all to her. Give it away to her. Give her so much of what you want from her that you can’t tell who is who, the chaser has become the tail, and all motion stops in the intensity of self-release. (Heheh, Fuck Her Good!) There is only One.

    The very light of your consciousness shines as the world, and it is looking back at you, appearing as woman. She often appears as what you most fear and desire. She is the goddess, ready to fuck you, murder you, and enlighten you. Her appearance and your desire can be an endless drama of need, or they can merge, becoming a doorway to your divine source.

    In a moment of attraction, let your desire feel to her, but don’t stop there. Feel through her. Do this constantly. Feel through her body when you are having sex with her. Feel through her anger when she is raging at you. Feel through her darkness when she seems ugly. Feel through her beauty when she most attracts you. By feeling through all of her forms, the superior man is not distracted or obsessed. Rather, his attention feels through the mirage of other, and he is released of need in the revelation of oneness.

    Desire can be a doorway to deep oneness. Sexual union is a fractal, or stepped-down, reflection of the ever-present wedding of consciousness and its inherent luminosity. The superior man embraces his woman as his own form. The revelation of deep oneness in love.

    Women can seem to bring you to your true nature. Or they can seem to take you away from it. Each moment of appearance and of woman may be a distraction, an obsession, or a revelation. Notice the distractions—tits, ass, wealth, and fame—and practice the revelation of oneness by feeling through the distractions. Notice the obsessions—tits, ass, wealth, and fame—and practice the revelation of oneness by feeling through the obsessions. Practice it with your woman, for real. Bow down to her, and then bow down through her, into the deep which only seems to have been an other.

  42. “We want to believe this because we’re taught to expect such reasonings from a girl who now, at 29, wants to get right with God or “start doing things the right way” with guys. Social conventions abound that condition us to expect that once women, “get it out of their systems” (by following the Sandbergian sexual strategy) she’ll realize the errors of her youthful indiscretion and magically transform into a “Quality Woman”. We want to believe it, and it’s in women’s best interests that we do believe it.”

    Don’t simply “believe” the “deception” women will play on thirsty betas.

    Only those that want to “fall for the bait” will.

  43. @SJF:

    Related to your earlier question, I first read The Book in ’66, the year it was published, because my mother brought it home. She didn’t give it to me. She gave me books if I asked for them, but otherwise she just made sure books were available. She knew I absorbed books like Johnny-Five.

    Her own favorite genre was science fiction, with a preference for the harder stuff, so that was simply “there” from the “beginning of time” for me, as well as Kipling, London, Melville, et al. No romances – not even Austen or Bronte.

  44. @KFG

    I think highly of your mother, rest her soul, for changing my life for the better, through you.

    And I’m so glad someone invented the manosphere.

    And that Rollo took the time for so long, now, “to educate, to study, to tear down and build back up when most would ask, ‘why bother?'”

  45. She is inside fucking the alpha, while a herd of betas is outside tending the grounds, huh?

    Man!

    I see it now.

    The faceless, sexless poor beta. Invisible as a sexual being. They are only needed when they are useful as source of money or manual labour, worthless as a sexual partner.

    Nice big house for the slut and her bastard brood. A dutiful, faithful, forgiving, sexless, innocent white lamb of a man with his big fat tummy to foot the bill, huh? Wait four or seven years and plant a huge slap on his fat tummy and watch him squeal like a pig! And off he goes to a tiny bed sitter in the projects. The sacrificial lamb. The one who is born to die for his woman’s failures. A Jesus. One just like the one that the Insanity Bitches of this world keep harping on about… For the sake of Love. Heheheeee…

    How can such a system sustain?

  46. “How can such a system sustain?”

    Who cares? Use a Bottoms Up approach (Please put on your oxygen mask first) . Life is short. Move toward the top 20%. Fast.

    Philosophy, morality and spirituality are buffers. Use them wisely. (Nota bene: You are free to move about the cabin with the three of them, as needed. Roam if you want to, without wings without wheels. Roam if you want to, roam around the world). The Red Pill comes with a side of enlightened self interest. Use it.

  47. @Cheupez:

    Not quite. The house is occupied by 2 to 4 generations of women and prepubescent boys. No man ever lives there. All sexually mature men live in the projects. Men are “callers.” They don’t call at the front door. Their visits, while an open secret, are “secret.” They sneak in the back or crawl in a bedroom window after dark.

    When the favorite alpha(s) is away doing alpha things, which is most of the time, sex is given to the betas in unpredictable drips. This is what keeps them orbiting while doing labour, even if they stop getting any sex, because some of the children inside could conceivably be theirs.

    “How can such a system sustain?”

    In isolation from a patriarchy at a low level of technology. Ergo, to get there from here, high civilization must be destroyed.

  48. Two to four generations of females…

    Funny you should put it that way. I know a fine place where a woman lives with her daughters who are all single mothers. The dad was a wealthy (beta alpha?) fella. He died, health complications. I used to screw the youngest of the single mothers. She has a daughter. We started when she was not yet a single mother, then she later got knocked up (not my doing). I got some after she had the kid. Like all of them, she made a weak attempt to enroll me in to the “be-the-father-man-to-my-bastard.” Bounced. I caught her big siz checking me out some day while during them from hospital to see their dad heheheee…

    I can imagine a crowd of thirsty boys sniffing around the fence of that residence for all that tired pussy inside.

    Hehehee…

    One of the new plates I put on in the last three weeks is a single mother living in some up market neighbourhood with her single mom. She is not going the wait-for-it route yet. She demanded for sex on second date. I gave it.

  49. “Funny you should put it that way.”

    It’s The Model(tm). At least for the lower tier of society (where most of the people are).

    The upper tier will go on as the aristocracy always has, pairing off for wealth and power, while having their little affairs off on the side. They are literally a separate race, breeding to maintain their bloodlines (I am descended from a failure of the breeding program, but great . . . great grandma was at least smart enough to get the fuck out of Dodge before the axe fell).

    In between a small middle class. The doctors, lawyers, accountants, software czars and such that the upper tier relies on to carry out functions.

  50. @cheupez,

    “…
    So what do these women have left?

    Many of us are guilty of breaking a girl’s virginity and bouncing, some of us doing it when we were already married. Those girls are now alpha widows. Who can they run to? Should they live alone for the rest of their lives? Should they accept that they will be bounced on from one casual fuck to the next for the rest of their lives?”

    Women have no regrets monkey branching men, taking their kids away from the fathers and then calling them deadbeats. So I have no regrets alpha widowing them.
    They do not have an ounce of gratitude or loyalty when it suits them.
    They do not care when men blow their own brains out. All they care about is , it should not look bad on them.

    Whats up with you today, do you feel like father of a daughter?

    “I caught her big siz checking me out some day while during them from hospital to see their dad heheheee…”

    I caught a totally unrelated to me women 32 maybe (5.5 HB) checking me out outside of ICU. She was visiting an ICU patient with her group, but her eyes were following me where ever I turned.
    Even when I didn’t engage her, her eyes were glowing and she would give me a suppressed smile all the time.
    For them, there is no such thing as an inappropriate zone.

    “Hypergamy is still a bitch if the European royal family scandals are anything to go by. Or let us just say that it affects royal families anywhere you may find them. Check this one out:The aristocrats and their small affairs on the side!!”

    For thousands of years, girls could do this in middle east and Indian subcontinent provided their fathers were filthy rich and powerful enough.
    Chastity was for poor and middle class for they had a lot of lose.
    Why do you think dowry system started? to marry of their promiscuous alpha widowed daughters in their 20s or 30s who otherwise wouldn’t get married of.
    Generally such son in laws would be brought into the house of the rich father of the daughters.

    Why would a man accede to such demand? Connections and wealth of father-in-law would lift his entire extended family in a non meritocratic society.
    Patriarchy is such a bitch, men were regularly victims of Patriarchy.

  51. Whats up with you today, do you feel like father of a daughter?

    Yeah. That too. If she fucks up, am not up to fix her stupid fuck ups though. But mostly it has more to do with the realization that when all men decide to cross the fence from betaville to redpillville there is going to be a major disaster for indiscrete cock riders.

  52. @Cheupez:

    Read the comments of the King carefully. There is no scandal within the Royal family. The fact that their behaviour has been put in view of the lower tiers is simply a problem. It is only the lower tiers that see a scandal.

    That is because the lower tiers project the rules regulating their behaviour onto the upper tier.

    But the upper tier is literally a different race. A separate breeding group. A different nation.

    And a nation makes its own rules regarding the behaviour of its own. What would have been a scandal within the aristocracy is if she had gotten knocked up, i.e. had a multi-racial baby. Not Arab-English multi-racial, but Royal-Commoner multi-racial.

    With regards to your daughter, the hardest part of the pill for most men to choke down is that our mothers and daughters are Like That.

  53. @ kfg

    ” With regards to your daughter, the hardest part of the pill for most men to choke down is that our mothers and daughters are Like That. ”

    I think thats the real (final) test for a man to fully become RP.

    The insight, that your own mother or daughter are playing that FI-Game against you and other men!

  54. @kfg
    You sound like you have hatched up a specials class. Special woman. I dont mean to pee on your campfire but royals get knocked up. In the extreme cases they even abdicate doing it. AWALT. Royal or otherwise.

  55. “You sound like you have hatched up a specials class.”

    I haven’t hatched it up. They did. And they turned it into race.

    “Special woman.”

    Roma woman. Jewish woman. Brahmin woman. Noble woman. I didn’t hatch these up. I simply observe them.

    ” . . . royals get knocked up.”

    Certainly. They wouldn’t be part of a breeding group if they didn’t, now would they?

    ” In the extreme cases they even abdicate doing it.”

    Q.E.D. I am descended from a scrapped princess, a discard. Scrapped even though 100% Noble. Because even being 100% Noble, she was still outside of the rules.

    She didn’t have a brother.

  56. @SJF:

    Some of the comments using the story to defend the veracity of the story were amusing. For anyone uncertain about it, this is the proper meaning of “to beg the question.”

  57. We could discuss fake news.
    Or how many angels can dance on a toothpick (my answer is…to infinity and beyond! I double dog dare you to disprove it).
    Dan Rather nods in approval.

  58. Women have a much better knack for PR than men. As Rollo describes it, women have all these rational and moral justifications for their epiphany phase mate screening, which also serve as convenient cover for not having sex with men that they are not attracted to. The less sympathetic description would be that they are trying to *use* men that they are not attracted to, for provisioning and support.

    When men screen women, we are more honest about the carnal nature of our intentions… We ask: Is she DTF? But a more socially acceptable (and equally correct) explanation would be that we are screening for women who are actually into us. This is just as important for a LTR as it is for a hookup. Especially with laws and norms that incentivize women to “frivorce” and continue to enjoy the benefits of marriage, without the risk of ever having to have sex with that guy that she only pretended to be into.

  59. dr zipper
    March 17, 2017 at 9:53 am

    Just brilliant! I so want to send this to a close female friend of mine, whose “reality” is just how you have stated it. The hamster is a powerful agent indeed, and is it really ever worth confronting as a rational male? Discretion often being the best past of valour, and all… But could she (or any other woman) ever acknowledge such truths? If so, unicorns truly would exist…which is why the best thing for a male is to only have women as loveable, childlike playthings. Never get married, and never breed, if you want to keep your sanity & independence…

  60. women of this age and up seem determined to hold out longer even if they want to fuck.

    This is the reason that women in my core group are 25 and younger – and I never target women older than 25 – although older ones that I still find attractive are welcome to share my bed if it’s a slow night. As a man in his mid-50’s – I like the young women for a simple reason, they have been told to “experience life” and they are more than willing to do so for an evening, as long as they know it won’t come back on them. And I’m always discreet – that’s why I get married women, engaged, whatever is fine with me as long as they are attractive to me. I’m not looking for anything long-term with that type, my core group is for the ones I’m going to see for more than an evening – and the reason I keep it focused on the younger ones is at about 26 they start wanting “something that is going somewhere”.

    Me, I like it going to the bedroom and that’s it. Younger women figure they have years so just want to have fun – the older ones start seeing the end coming and want to lock in a sucker – of course, they are always willing to toss that is they have their sucker and figure he won’t find out. I see it pretty much every weekend – but as long as they provide me something fun for an evening – I really couldn’t care less if some guy is getting cheated on. He should have taken that into consideration before hooking up with such a woman. From my perspective such women are ideal – I get what I want from them, and they get what they want from me – some sucker is left to foot the bill.

    I always tell guys, Feminism is the BEST thing that ever happened to older men that just want to have fun – an endless supply of young women always coming on line. Who could want anything more? Just never make the mistake of buying into their BS, and you’ll do well. Enjoy women, but never give them power over you. That’s a sucker’s game…

  61. Do you think they’ll “think twice” about this social order that is asking them to man up and buy in to a broken system?

    With the manosphere now readily available and alternative facts now no more than a google search away… is it really something that is just going to happen over the course of time… or has the pendulum swung so far in this instance that it broke clean off?

  62. Restart

    Well not sure what you mean by engineering? Tech? Programming? Architecture? Etc.

    General advice – be a founder not a worker bee. Forgoe salary when given the choice. Founders can fail while pocketing millions along the way if they are smart and dont believe their hype, while the salaried drones pay their rent and whose options all expire worthless.

    Sales is always a good way to go… Straight commission is best. If you can avoid tying your wagon to one horse and trade as a distributor with exclusive territories rather than an employee. Watch the non compete and non solicitation entaglements.

    In general be willing to bet on yourself and fund that risk. Yes this will hurt in the short term as you stop suckling the master’s teet… The willingness to bear this kind of burden is the top predictor if your future success.

    It is a hard life make no mistake, excess returns attract all kinds of nefarious behaviors and wolves in sheep’s clothes. So don’t trust anyone. Trust their business model first and foremost. What can happen is usually what will happen.

    Good luck.

  63. “If you can avoid tying your wagon to one horse and trade as a distributor with exclusive territories rather than an employee.”

    Shit ton of smaller outfits rely on independent reps for their field sales. Don’t pick a product, pick a market and build a portfolio of related and supporting products.

  64. SJF

    ISFPs live to find ways to push their passions. Riskier behaviors like gambling and extreme sports are more common with this personality type than with others. Fortunately their attunement to the moment and their environment allows them to do better than most. ISFPs also enjoy connecting with others, and have a certain irresistible charm.

    However, if a criticism does get through, it can end poorly. Some ISFPs can handle kindly phrased commentary, valuing it as another perspective to help push their passions in new directions. But if the comments are more biting and less mature, ISFP personalities can lose their tempers in spectacular fashion.

    You might check out Bravo’s ‘Southern Charm” – reality TV dreck that nontheless showcases a tremendous DPA guy – Thomas Ravenel. Also worth watching for examples of cool social guys and how they act around women. Also note Ravenal is 54 and his baby mama is early 20’s…

    A few clips for you

    http://www.bravotv.com/southern-charm/season-3/episode-1/videos/thomas-ravenels-words-of-wisdom

    http://www.bravotv.com/southern-charm/season-3/episode-11/videos/thomas-ravenels-explosive-dinner-party

    http://www.bravotv.com/southern-charm/season-3/episode-1/videos/thomas-and-kathryns-awkward-sit-down

  65. @ SJF and Sentient

    We’ve been having fun at home with the 16 personalities. Esp. Mrs. Eh. Solipsism and all.

    Thanks for the accounting career pathway success example. It’s not just for taxes anymore. I’ve not guided my son in his career choice other than telling him options are good, focus on his strengths. My personality isn’t his. The more I read here, the more my experiences seem quite narrow. Just a sherpa.

    He admitted if he took the MBTI last year, it’d been different. Go team RedPill.

    @SJF

    55 y.o. friend assaulted a cop 30 years ago. Has never been able to legally own/use anything but a “weapon of antiquity”. He was a big hunter and ended up focusing on archery and blackpowder muzzleloader. He’s looking for a governor’s pardon as we speak.

  66. 21 RULES OF THE RONIN
    (Musashi’s Dokkodo in bold, Pride in standard text.)

    1. Accept everything just the way it is.

    The world is as it is, not as we wish it to be.

    Understand the world works in this way, not in the way it should, but in the way it is actually.

    You must work in this paradigm or you will find nothing but disappointment.

    2. Do not seek pleasure for its own sake.

    Gluttony is gross. Keep your body and mind sharp.

    Too much pleasure dulls the senses.

    Your senses must be sharp because you have only yourself to rely on.

    Drill sergeant and soldier all in one.

    3. Do not, under any circumstances, depend on a partial feeling.

    Unsure actions produce unsure results.

    Always be sure of victory in your mind before you set to achieve it in reality.

    4. Think lightly of yourself and deeply of the world.

    You cannot fool people today. The world is too smart thanks to the Internet.

    Never try to be too clever for your audience, instead, be genuine.

    Genuine men and women develop true followings, in-genuine men and women develop followings based only on favors.

    Make them feel good, they’re yours. Do them a phony favor, they’ll forget as soon as the next snake offers new phony favors.

    5. Be detached from desire your whole life long.

    The journey is the reward. Being too attached to desire is a mental prison.

    Detachment from desire keeps you calm, cool and collected.

    6. Do not regret what you have done.

    What’s done is done. Regret is a wasted emotion. The past cannot be undone.

    The only thing you can get from lamenting the past is self-doubt.

    It is outlawed for New World Ronin to reflect and ponder.

    7. Never be jealous.

    Jealousy clouds the brain and stops you from learning.

    You could only be jealous for one reason: you want whatever it is you’re jealous of.

    Jealousy is anger and anger turns off the part of the brain that thinks.

    Don’t be jealous, be curious.

    Curiosity will make you reverse engineer whatever it is you want and then you will understand how to accomplish it.

    But only if you let go of the choice of Jealousy and adopt curiosity.

    8. Never have a mind of adherence and attachment to all things

    Like Victor Pride once said, “stuff doesn’t matter.”

    9. Resentment and complaint are appropriate neither for oneself or others.

    Complaints and resentment are nothing but negative energy.

    Negative energy is worse than useless, it is harmful for you.

    Negative energy produces the fight or flight response which is responsible for stress.

    Living well is hard enough before you make it more complicated with complaints.

    Save yourself some hassle and never complain.

    Remember rule #1? Accept everything just the way it is.

    Accept the things you cannot change,
    Change the things you cannot accept.” –New World Ronin

    10. Do not let yourself be guided by the feeling of lust or love.

    “A good girlfriend is a good little soldier.” -New World Ronin

    11. In all things have no preferences.

    It is what it is. Work with what you’ve got.

    If you’ve got nothing, work with your brain.

    The mind is where choices and preferences are made.

    The choice to have no preference is exactly that – a choice.

    “Be like water.” -Bruce Lee

    12. Be indifferent to where you live.

    Too much preference in where you live is limiting.

    When it comes time to die and you’re allowed to reflect, you will find that the worst accommodations you had were the best accommodations you ever had.

    That’s where you felt the fire and the drive to do great work.

    13. Do not pursue the taste of good food.

    Over-eating is bad for the brain. You need your brain to work.

    Do not slow the brain down with grease, extra fat, sugar and too many calories.

    Eat enough to live with energy. Do not eat so much that it robs your energy.

    Food is energy, if it doesn’t energize you, you ate too much or too little. Eat just enough.

    14. Do not hold on to possessions you no longer need.

    Live like a Spartan. Possessions hold you back.

    You may want to travel the world but if you have too much stuff, you never will.

    I routinely get rid of all of my stuff and it is always a cathartic process.

    In fact, B&D started when I got rid of everything that didn’t fit into a suitcase.

    15. Do not act following customary beliefs.

    Everything they do is wrong and everything they tell you to do is wrong.

    Do the opposite of what everyone else is doing. If they’re jealous, never be jealous.

    16. Do not collect weapons or practice with weapons beyond what is useful.

    Too much stuff is like too much food, it bogs down the mind. It’s a burden on your back.

    When you follow the way of the Ronin, you need not extra weapons.

    Frankly you can run your entire business from a smartphone.

    Have what you need for business and do not worry about more.

    Too many options = no options chosen.

    When you have only a few options you must get creative.

    In fact, creativity only exists in constraints.

    When you have no constraints, you have no limits. Great in theory, but in reality when you have no limits you never make any choices.

    Analysis paralysis, dirty kitchen etc. Keep your arsenal simple.

    17. Do not fear death.

    The biggest fear people have is dying, which is silly.

    Everyone on earth will experience death. It is not a smart use of time worrying about the inevitable.

    “The whole secret of existence is to have no fear. Even death is not to be feared by one who has lived wisely.” -The Buddha

    18. Do not seek to possess either goods or fiefs for your old age.

    You cannot take it with you when you die. Greed in old age is pointless.

    The last rule of the New World Ronin is “give back to the gods.” This is the time you use your accumulated wealth for good.

    19. Respect Buddha and the gods without counting on their help.

    Like the Buddha said, what you think you become.

    The gods will not give it to you, they will simply make it possible for you.

    Respect that, but follow your own path and rely on the most high – yourself.

    20. You may abandon your own body but you must preserve your honor.

    Your body will die, your legacy has the ability to live forever.

    A dishonorable life precludes a lasting legacy.

    This is the information age, nothing can be hidden anymore.

    Thankfully our weapons are words and not swords, and words are slightly less likely to get you killed.

    21. Never stray from the Way.

    All falls apart when you stray from the way.

    Stay centered, stay focused, stay ronin.

    This is the way of working alone, do not ever stray from it.

    Until next time.

    Your man,

    -Victor Pride

  67. Do not seek pleasure for its own sake. . . Keep your body and mind sharp.”

    But . . . ya know, that’s what I find pleasurable. Now you’re just confusing me.

  68. At a overnight professional conference recently. Many thoughts revolved around the OP. It started to read as a long FR, so I erased it.

    tl:dr version

    “Better still, they’ll feed that rationale/fantasy in the hope that her Epiphany will include her saving her best sex for him since now she’s come to understand that it’s been the ‘nice guys’ all along she ought to have been getting with if not for ‘society’ convincing her otherwise.”

    Most of my male colleagues are first time married around 32 to aging beauties or same-class dumpy women, after a short dating period. I’ve never seen more than a few year difference in age. They double-time between the conference and family in the hotel. Mornings they shuttle food and provisioning to wife, kids. They seem satisfied with their lot. For example, one man brought breakfast to his family’s hotel room…only too early. Did he hear about it from wife, kids. Asking if he thought their reaction ungrateful, he smiled happily, shaking his head. How dutiful. So be it.

    “Thus, we see this demographic of women make even more rules for a Beta to deserve her intimacy, while a more Alpha tingle-generating man she was more than willing to break rules to get to bed with.”

    The women start their careers in late 20’s, early 30’s and display vestigial party years at the conference. Hair shorter, physiques softer, husbands at home, the women are temporarily divorced. Their men, if along, stay in the hotel with kids, attend family friendly venues, women polite at post conference social then hit the town for a GNO. That’s when the drinking, dancing, shots start. Hm.

    The guys are “responsible” to a fault and the women feel entitled, or worse, don’t need an excuse to behave such. The FI rolls on.

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