The Epiphany Phase Revisited

One of the best things about the Red Pill being a praxeology is that nothing’s set in stone. Like any good science there’s always room for reinterpretation and updating ideas per new information, or sometimes it’s simply something or some observation that seemingly went overlooked that adjust an old interpretation. Reader Playdontpay brought something to light in an old post, Three Strikes:

I agree with the 3 Strike rule for younger chicks of 30 and under but once she hits about 32 something seems to flip in their heads, women of this age and up seem determined to hold out longer even if they want to fuck.

It’s probably because at this age her clock is ticking and she doesn’t have time to “waste” on flings that would won’t lead to commitment, so she re-invents herself as a “quality woman” in the hope of convincing you that she is LTR/ marriage material.

It’s up to you to decide if you can push the envelope to 5-6 dates max but I would only do this if I was sure it was her ASD holding her back and not down to a low interest level.

If you wait to date 5-6 and the sex is sub par, don’t stick around waiting for it to improve as you’ve been sold a lemon and the juice ain’t worth the squeeze!

This seemingly innocuous comment made me think a lot about some of my older material and how newer readers might interpret it. There’s actually quite a bit to unpack in this short response, so with the benefit of over a decade of hindsight I thought I might riff on it.

“…once she hits about 32 something seems to flip in their heads, women of this age and up seem determined to hold out longer even if they want to fuck.”

Any long time reader of this blog will immediately associate this phenomenon with the Epiphany Phase women enter when the reality of their lessened capacity to compete intrasexually with their younger sisters becomes unignorable. Generally this phase comes at or around the ages of 29-31, however, depending on circumstance this may come sooner for some women (those whose attractiveness is already understood to be suboptimal), and sometimes much later for others (women who bought into the lie that their attractiveness is subjective and indefinite). I’ve written many essays about this phase and dedicated two sections of Preventive Medicine to it. It’s very recognizable, and very understandable when you have a good grasp of how women prioritize the ‘needs’ of their sexual strategy as they mature.

The Epiphany Phase is really a woman’s subconscious knowledge of The Wall coming into her cognitive acknowledgement. However, what’s not so easy to grasp is why a woman who’s come to this phase would actually make it more difficult for a prospective long-term, parentally invested, hopefully idealized, mate to become intimate with her?

On several occasions I’ve proposed just the opposite; that Hypergamy cannot afford to wait for 100% perfect confirmation of a man’s Alpha status before she has sex with him. This Hypergamic bypass is actually one vulnerability women have with respect to well calibrated Game. Even for women in the luteal phase of ovulatory shift, (when by all means she ought to be seeking the provisioning, comforting and rapport of more Beta men’s attentions) women will be prompted to sexual immediacy and urgency when presented with the prospects of fucking – and hopefully locking down – what she sees as an Alpha man. It is entirely possible to bypass women’s natural, ovulation-induced, Hypergamy when you present yourself as the right Alpha incentive to her (I’ve done this myself). This is the prioritization women’s natural sexual strategy has, and in reality, a woman faking an orgasm for a perceived Alpha, or having proceptive sex with him in her luteal phase only confirms the urgency women’s natural Hypergamy has with regard to locking down an optimal man.

But why would a woman who, for all intents, knows her capacity to attract men is waning be so insistent on delaying her becoming intimate with him? This seems counterintuitive, particularly in light of the fact that most women in their younger, Party Years eagerly had sex with men for whom they made little or no ‘rules’ for in order to become sexual with them. It’s a common enough idea in the manosphere that women will ride the ‘cock carousel’ in their 20s until they realize a lessened capacity to attract guys and then seek to cash out of the sexual marketplace before or around 30. Usually this ends up with a girl settling for a Beta in waiting.

But why would the rules and prerequisites be something she insists on now but didn’t while she was in her sexual peak years?

Vaginas and Moral Compasses

There was a recent article on the HuffPo quoting Cate Blanchett saying “My moral compass is in my vagina“, and while this might be the red meat clickbait the HuffPo relies upon for revenue, it adequately sums up how Hypergamy, a woman’s sexual agency and a woman’s capacity to utilize it throughout her life directs women’s intrinsic and extrinsic priorities throughout their lives. I realize this wasn’t how Cate intended her comment to be taken; she wanted to express some inherent guiding principle for women in an era she believes women are still repressed in, but in doing so she illustrates the real compass women have with regard to moral interpretations of their ideas and behaviors. If something gratifies, optimizes or otherwise benefits a woman’s driving impulse of Hypergamy, it sets a rationale for moral interpretation by her. Or in other words, if it’s good for what optimizes Hypergamy, it’s good for women.

As men we want the easy answer to be the best answer. So it seems obvious to us that a woman making arbitrarily ‘new’ rules of intimacy for her prospectively long-term suitors would follow some epiphany where she comes to her senses, realizes the error of her ways and strives for being some new ‘quality woman’ to represent herself as. As such, her quality should symmetrically be matched by a man’s quality. And that quality should logically take some time to determine. This is, in fact, most women’s self and public rationale for making a ‘quality’ man wait for her sexually when in the past she had no such obstacles for the hawt guy she met on spring break in the Cancun foam cannon party.

We want to believe this because we’re taught to expect such reasonings from a girl who now, at 29, wants to get right with God or “start doing things the right way” with guys. Social conventions abound that condition us to expect that once women, “get it out of their systems” (by following the Sandbergian sexual strategy) she’ll realize the errors of her youthful indiscretion and magically transform into a “Quality Woman”. We want to believe it, and it’s in women’s best interests that we do believe it.

Most Beta men (and not a few self-described Red Pill men) want to believe in a woman’s Epiphany about herself. They love nothing better than the idea of the reformed porn star who’s finally “grown up” and come to her senses about the error of her youth’s indiscretions with the guys they grew up to hate as an archetype. Better still, they’ll feed that rationale/fantasy in the hope that her Epiphany will include her saving her best sex for him since now she’s come to understand that it’s been the ‘nice guys’ all along she ought to have been getting with if not for ‘society’ convincing her otherwise.

The reformed-slut-with-epiphany archetype is a trope Beta men want to forgive because it represents vindication for their self-image, Blue Pill conviction and perseverance (they never gave up on her). Women with the pasts that make them good candidates for eliciting this rationale know men well enough to see the utility it has in securing Blue Pill men’s resources and long term security.

Socially, she’s got countless sources of ‘go grrrl’ moral reinforcement from both men and women. In fact, as a Man, just my bringing this to light makes me guilty of being “judgmental” in popular female-defined culture. And that’s the insurance women will always have in their Epiphany Phase – whether it’s a reformed slut coming to terms with the Wall at 29, or the ex-wife who frivorced her dutiful (but unexciting) Beta to have her own epiphany and discover herself a la Eat, Prey, Love, the social net of feminine-primacy is there with easy rationalizations to catch any and every woman’s Hypergamous fall.

Holding Out

Yet still she hesitates in giving herself to that Beta provisioner.

We excuse this hesitation by claiming it’s because, now, she wants to be extra sure about him. The Alpha men she so effortlessly gave herself to were all, of course, wolves in sheep’s clothing (e.g. men are evil) and in her epiphany she must exercise caution. And if you think it’s because of anything else, well, you’re a misogynist, so shut up.

A woman holding out on a guy during this phase of her life really isn’t about any moral epiphany, it’s really her hindbrain coming to terms with having to make herself become sexual with a type of guy whom previously she would never have naturally flowed into having sex with. We like to think a now ‘quality woman’ is deserving of putting a man through a set of qualifying tests, that seems like appropriate prudence, but in fact her reservation about fucking him comes from a deep seated, subconscious understanding that, while the guy might make for an excellent parental investment, he’s not going to be someone she feels a sexual urgency to fuck.

Later she’ll bemoan that she’d rather cry over an asshole than date a guy who bores her, but in the Epiphany she has to force this subconscious understanding down in order to better insure her Hypergamous security into the future.

This latent, limbic sexual uncertainty has nothing to do with vetting the ‘perfect guy’ for the ‘quality woman’ it’s about a woman, who likely for the first time in her life, is presented with the challenge of having to bypass her hindbrain Hypergamy in order to secure her long term security. Thus, we see this demographic of women make even more rules for a Beta to deserve her intimacy, while a more Alpha tingle-generating man she was more than willing to break rules to get to bed with.

It’s important that we focus on the idea that a man, any man, ought to be deserving of a woman’s sexual ‘gift’. We get this rationale from the affirmations of even the most well meaning of men. Even though the concept of Hypergamy is regularly proven through her Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks strategy prior to her epiphany, the Beta mindset is always ready to do more and expect more from men who would get with his ‘quality woman’. A woman on the expiration of her SMV likes nothing more than to be told, and to encourage the idea in men, that “she deserves better” in spite of her past decisions.

Yet still she hesitates having sex with the ‘perfect’ guy who is ready to overlook all of it.

This is an internal conflict between what her psyche knows she needs to do to ensure her security, and what her hindbrain wants in an exciting Alpha lover. What “flips” in a woman’s head is her inability to resolve her sexuality with her self-consciousness in having to force it to be with a man who likely doesn’t merit it for her – but this meriting her sex, up to now, has always been a process she left to her hindbrain to decide. In a sense it is quality control, but not for the self-righteous rationales we’re supposed to believe it is.

There is a lot of inner negotiation on the part of women entering their Epiphany Phase, trying to reconcile the long term security needs of her Super Ego and the visceral short term sexual needs of her Id. At some point, what sexualized qualities satisfies a woman’s Id she no longer has the capacity to maintain so there comes an inner conversation of negotiation over what available man represents the best compromise depending on her need and her acknowledgement of it – and her true capacity to satisfy her long term security with or without him.

Now introduce a Beta man into this inner negotiation; one who’s been preparing his whole life to be the best, most dependable provisioner that his conditioning would make of him. His influence enters the negotiation process, but her Id can never find satisfaction. Thus, the negotiation becomes one of her Ego negotiating with her Id trying to convince it to refigure it’s visceral Alpha Fucks needs to accommodate this guy since he represents just such long term security as the Super Ego needs.

There’s a bit more to this reevaluation of the Epiphany Phase I may do soon in another post. However, I think I should add here that a lot of not-so-genuine confusion on the part of well-meaning guys about why a woman would so easily break her own rules to fuck an Alpha guy while require them to jump through hoops to get to a mitigated sexuality with her is primarily due to a woman’s hindbrain expectation about what sex should be like with either type of guy.

I’ve related in the past how women will gladly engage in a same night lay with a guy they see as a hot Alpha sex opportunity, but would never consider if she saw the guy as “relationship material”. This situation is a clichéd joke now – we laugh at it as “chick logic”, but the more Blue Pill men become aware of the Myth of the Good Guy the more these quandaries will give them pause to think about the women whose pasts they’re ready to excuse and the women they’re simply never going to consider “relationship material” themselves. They’ll think twice about the social order that’s encouraging them to “man up and marry those sluts”.

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Bromeo
Bromeo
5 years ago

Just bought both books hard cover from Amazon, going to read on a long flight in a few days. Second edition came in quick, the first one might be on back order, hoping it comes in soon. These will be passed down through generations for sure.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Sentient

Do you find that tickling a girl is foreplay? Anything that makes her giggle is foreplay?

cheupez
5 years ago

It sounds like for most of us it is: Sex on first date: Ditch the girl later after you get bored with her (you will get bored eventually, it never lasts for ever). Sex on second date: Ditch the girl later after you get bored. Sex on third date: Ditch the girl later after you get bored kwhich will be probably sooner seeing that she has less tingles for you). No sex on third date: Next. So what do these women have left? Many of us are guilty of breaking a girl’s virginity and bouncing, some of us doing it… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

ASD

Do you find that tickling a girl is foreplay? Anything that makes her giggle is foreplay?

Tickling her clit?

I keed…. Yes anything where you are touching her, and dominant and eliciting physical and emotional response is basic build up foreplay to the vagbrain… I mean you remember being 13 right? All about playing “tag” and other innocent games where you touched and held.

I wouldn’t go around as the “tickle monster” but it has its time and place.

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@Sentient re OM… Whoa! shit test fail on aisle 3!!!… lol… from that article… Afterward, my OM partner and I took a walk and discussed everything from our sexual fantasies to our body image insecurities. We also talked matter-of-factly about the way my vagina was shaped and the way he stroked it. Somehow it wasn’t awkward at all. Maybe that’s because there was no expectation that we were ever going to date or have sex. just one more step down the beta orbit/provider path… essentially the guy is just a living sex toy…lol… who doesn’t even have an expectation of… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

The glove bit was hysterical…

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

dr zipper However, I have literally heard these women say things like, “… all you have to do is sit around thinking positive thoughts of what you want, and the universe will sense your new reality and deliver it.” They never incorporate the actual work needed to make it happen. Churchgoing girl version: “God will bring a husband into my life when I am ready to receive him”, so no need to actually go out and actively search. Not a good look in the 20’s, really not a good look over 30. But easy to see in just about any… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

Dalrock
http://wp.me/pXWyH-bfd

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

OM, it’s part of the “slow sex” movement courtesy of the book of that name, by one Nicole Daedone. Reviews at Amazon, at Goodreads, all the usual places. Skimmed it at a bookstore, and somewhere in there I recall chuckling at her elliptical, “it just happened” observation about clitoral de-sensitization due to a whole lot of vibrator use and how OMing just was so special after a while because spirituatlity or something. And yes, the “giver” is supposed to just strum on her with no expectation of anything because so vibrationally pure or something; new level of beta-orbiterdom. Once you… Read more »

ollieoxenfree1
ollieoxenfree1
5 years ago

I read an article in which the singer Ciara and NFL quarterback Russell Wilson were going to wait until they got married before engaging in sexual activity. This article was in July 2015 and they married in July 2016. Russell is a devout christian and wanted to do it ‘God’s way’. He also wanted to know how he would feel about her without sex, being a part of the equation. If I’m being honest I can see the logic in it. Although in the comment section of the article (this was before it was revealed it was Russell’s idea to… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

Wilson is just a Blue Pill churchian. Sucks to be him.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@Cheupez: “So what do these women have left?”

If they could tell me, I’d know.

When I was 15 my summer girlfriend introduced herself to my mother with, “Has he told you about me? I can cook and sew.” They don’t do that any more.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@KFG Quick question. (sneaky, question, though, obligatory LOL) I’ve been wondering. Was your mother a wonderful mother for you as a man? Unconditional love of a mother and all? For reference, mine was. In terms of unconditional love and just doing her thing, not being too self centered, nor trying to hard to be a mother. Mine had no helicoptering involved. But nurtured. Recent discussions with her had her asking me if I remembered her “going back to work”. I said, not really as I had no recollection. She was a set of books 1.0 mindset, but always had a… Read more »

fact_comment
fact_comment
5 years ago

If she’s not down for sex after 5-6 dates in this era of hook-up culture, then that’s the fault of incompetent game by the male unable to escalate. Unless very religious or virgin, all females are down for 3rd date sex. Otherwise they wouldn’t agree to go out on 3rd date.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@SJF: “Was your mother a wonderful mother for you as a man?” Not a word that would come to my mind. What I have said to others before is, “I did OK in choosing mothers.” She had her flaws and she was Like That, but she was a cut above. Unconditional love, yes, and family by the first set of books as well. She fought for me, hard, when I needed it, all my life, but accepted that she was to butt out of my manly troubles when I was 5 and my young adulthood at about 12. No helipcotering.… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago
Reply to  kfg

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http://wp.me/p6OxfZ-da

walawala
walawala
5 years ago

Since I started exclusively banging and plating girls under 30 I’ve found fewer of these types of problems. The shit tests for the most part are more playful and the interactions are not quite as drama-filled. If they are drama-filled you get that early. Without a Red Pill understanding and decent game I never would have had the confidence to pursue these women. Friends of mine are dumb-founded because….because…the FI dictates “age appropriate” girls. Some will start to tease about “cradle-robber” etc…until they realize….Oh…these girls ARE adults by ever definition. Also being the older guy if you’re taking care of… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

Mea culpa for not putting this in Field Reports. But, thanks for the reply KFG. As it befits my inscrutable self, your reply to my mother question bait was very informative in guiding me on my fathering. I’m having an off week, in which I scheduled a viral cold on my days off, the electrical mast got pulled off my hunting cabin in the 60 mph windstorm last week (from a red pine falling on the line across the street) and I’m stuck with hospital consults for my two weeks out of the year. (otherwise know as hell week in… Read more »

cheupez
5 years ago

I have no use for a sewing wife. Not even a cooking one (my hse help is a fantastic cook but not one I would screw). So what are they left with? My two cents: Maybe we are creating a problem where none exists? I think modern women want freedom. The doctor girlfriend with two grown kids, what is she doing looking for “secutity”? They desire a man they cannot control so they can enjoy the feeling of being with a preselected man and at the same time get the opportunity to hook up with other men when he is… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

So much here in this article.

http://gizmodo.com/zoo-sues-producers-for-traumatizing-raccoon-with-an-ero-1793359238

For its part, the video firm maintains that it was not an erotic video shoot. It was just a regular ad that featured a naked woman and a raccoon.

Oh, well then.

ollieoxenfree1
ollieoxenfree1
5 years ago

@Epubliusrex march 16 10:42
@Fabrizio march 16 11:04

Excellent posts.

anon
anon
5 years ago

“Maybe if there is a way for them to kill this irrelevant craving for security?”

I hope not. Some pretty crappy hell holes evolve when people decide they don’t care about tomorrow.

ollieoxenfree1
ollieoxenfree1
5 years ago

“As men we want the easy answer to be the best answer.” And there it is in a single sentence. An illustration of men’s inherent laziness and their propensity for self deceit. “Most Beta men (and not a few self-described Red Pill men) want to believe in a woman’s Epiphany about herself. They love nothing better than the idea of the reformed porn star who’s finally “grown up” and come to her senses about the error of her youth’s indiscretions with the guys they grew up to hate as an archetype. Better still, they’ll feed that rationale/fantasy in the hope… Read more »

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
5 years ago

All the Yoga/find your spiritual self comments have been entertainment gold.

They have the stories down pat. You are just the man in the upcoming chapter.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Infact women want a man who leaves . . . ”

That is The Model, although he is supposed to come back again when the lawn needs mowing or the drive needs shovelling.

Women want to live here:

http://68.media.tumblr.com/4dbc079d6932b3fcfef4d4694742a38c/tumblr_inline_obrdugaifW1sppt0x_500.png

While men live here:

http://www.officialpsds.com/images/thumbs/project-building-psd20326.png

The social structure is neolithic matriarchy, but neolithic matriarchies never develop to that technology level, because no one has a reason to think of tomorrow. Women think tomorrow will automagically be like today, and men have no children to leave a legacy to.

Things will end up looking like this:

http://www.trbimg.com/img-51f0b1a5/turbine/sns-rt-cbre96o0bd000-jpg-20130724/600/600×348

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

“They desire a man they cannot control so they can enjoy the feeling of being with a preselected man and at the same time get the opportunity to hook up with other men when he is out ploughing those other women.”

Women’s dual sexual strategy allows for desiring an alpha male that arouses her or a beta that is attractive for provisioning (especially for the safety of her and her children). She can actually genuinely desire one or the other but can rarely have both.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

In the above social scenario, women imagine being in the house fucking an alpha, while a swarm of beta orbiters maintain the grounds.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

SJF Oddly, I found (by asking him) he’s a Myers-Briggs ISFP and is cool as hell. Too cool (clever) by half. Some unsolicited advice for your boy… Have him sign on with one of the Big Four and get his CPA. This is more valuable than his MBA. Have him grind for 2 years while finishing the CPA and then take one of the foreign postings in a money center city – they are “hardship” jobs for most of the special snowflakes in horrible places like Bermuda, Grand Cayman, Dubai, Geneva etc. He will work there for 2-3 years then… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

and then he can sail the capitalist seas on what amounts to one of the few remaining legal pirate ships… captained and governed by the Pirate Code, cleverly disguised as an Operating Agreement.

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[Self Portrait]

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

SJF

But remind him he needs to be Red Pill in this world… nothing will ever come from hard work alone. But hard work with a knife or a gun or a bomb… that is how fortunes are made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a6Y7EJDc80

Pay attention…

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

” . . . very social and fratty, great golfers and socially adept. THIS skill set is what is valued on the deal teams.”

Carroll Smith’s advice to young men who want a career as a race car driver:

Learn golf.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

KFG

Add a hollow leg and you are all set…

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Sentient

Thanks much.

He already has an internship at PWC this summer (I think that makes him signed on with a Big Four). He is going back to get his 30+ credits this fall and winter (already signed up and has a half scholarship) and sit for the CPA next year. (His degree is in accounting and his masters next year will be in accounting.)

anon
anon
5 years ago

“Carroll Smith’s advice to young men who want a career as a race car driver:
Learn golf.”

That was once true of officer circles too but it’s going out of vogue. Might be the same elsewhere. Maybe because more women are taking it up?

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

:

Add an AAC (Associate Actuary Certificate) and he’s golden.

Marko
5 years ago

@SJF A lot of really smart high-functioning people have trouble with alcohol, sober during the week and binging on weekends. (Your really fine son?) (Really easy to not see this or to be in denial about this,) (I could be reading this all wrong. Or not). (I mention this only because you’ve mentioned your son’s getting into situations several times, as if you might be soliciting a comment on it) Better to fix this sooner rather than later. Ask me how I know: lots of alcohol issues in my family system, and I have learned I really have to watch… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

Poll: most young people think that Trump is an illegitimate president.

Survey: most young people can’t find Washington, D.C. on a map.

lol

Ceasar99
Ceasar99
5 years ago

In a related matter…women tend to mirror men they want. When they do it correctly, its why you hear men say things like “she’s perfect or the ideal women”. It really isn’t who they really are but the type of women they think the man is looking for. So if they think you are somewhat traditional, expect them to mirror that if they have interest in you. Some women are extremely good at this with men. Most can’t hold on the to character long enough to get the man to commit though. I have had women that were attracted to… Read more »

fact comment
fact comment
5 years ago

“…..women imagine being in the house fucking an alpha, while a swarm of beta orbiters maintain the grounds.”

That comment explains so much.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

Thanks for the comments Marko “Better to fix this sooner rather than later.” I’m not going to recite a long story narrative about it. But it is very well noted by me, my wife (both of us children of alcoholics, and my embarrassing history know to those here two years ago) and him that it is going to be a major hurdle in self discipline over time. To turn it into a narrative with a red pill lens some factors come into play. First I just realized that his personality strengths and weaknesses make this even more of a liability.… Read more »

Glengarry
Glengarry
5 years ago

Actually looking for a reformed porn star is frankly bizarre. What’s the upside, exactly?

“I know it’s a lot of mileage by many different drivers, most of whom weren’t very careful, but …”

anon
anon
5 years ago

“Actually looking for a reformed porn star is frankly bizarre. What’s the upside, exactly?”

Advertisement says:
Bargain basement discount pricing. And an unlimited return policy.
(if you don’t read the fine print very carefully)

Glengarry
Glengarry
5 years ago

Betas looking for retired porn stars (hookers, as they were known) have a thirst hamster which has done 20 years of prison yard lifting. But beta guy, in order to have a good life you first need to beat up that hamster. Then make your decisions.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

SJF

There isn’t much more out there in terms of creative freedom than sitting atop a pile of money with a broad investment mandate and a tight crew.

Every day is an adventure.

Restart
Restart
5 years ago

Sentient Useful career advice, thanks. What would you (and others) recommend for someone with a nerdy engineering background and some early low level managerial experience? Move closer to customers, ie sales? Take a few steps back and start a new thing in finances (perhaps too late now to execute your plan, too many other commitments)? Work on a side business (but where to gain experience outside of current engineering stuff)? I’ve realized I’been following societal BP rules (get good grades, work hard, slowly climb up) and got stuck in a 9-5 corporate job with no or little progression with limited… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Sentient Got it. Thanks. I was going to post the following in Field Reports as relevant to the approach anxiety thread, except Rollo asked ” ….that you only keep your comments to addressing the field reports at hand and save your larger theoretical stuff for the main posts, or if relevant, keep the “bigger scope of things” posts to being as succinct as possible.” This relates to ego as not full self and how to not have your ego cock-block your real self (Id, Ego and SuperEgo, otherwise known as your True Self). First off is one of the more… Read more »

Jed Mask
5 years ago

“We want to believe this because we’re taught to expect such reasonings from a girl who now, at 29, wants to get right with God or “start doing things the right way” with guys. Social conventions abound that condition us to expect that once women, “get it out of their systems” (by following the Sandbergian sexual strategy) she’ll realize the errors of her youthful indiscretion and magically transform into a “Quality Woman”. We want to believe it, and it’s in women’s best interests that we do believe it.” Don’t simply “believe” the “deception” women will play on thirsty betas. Only… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

:

Related to your earlier question, I first read The Book in ’66, the year it was published, because my mother brought it home. She didn’t give it to me. She gave me books if I asked for them, but otherwise she just made sure books were available. She knew I absorbed books like Johnny-Five.

Her own favorite genre was science fiction, with a preference for the harder stuff, so that was simply “there” from the “beginning of time” for me, as well as Kipling, London, Melville, et al. No romances – not even Austen or Bronte.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@KFG

I think highly of your mother, rest her soul, for changing my life for the better, through you.

And I’m so glad someone invented the manosphere.

And that Rollo took the time for so long, now, “to educate, to study, to tear down and build back up when most would ask, ‘why bother?'”

cheupez
5 years ago

She is inside fucking the alpha, while a herd of betas is outside tending the grounds, huh? Man! I see it now. The faceless, sexless poor beta. Invisible as a sexual being. They are only needed when they are useful as source of money or manual labour, worthless as a sexual partner. Nice big house for the slut and her bastard brood. A dutiful, faithful, forgiving, sexless, innocent white lamb of a man with his big fat tummy to foot the bill, huh? Wait four or seven years and plant a huge slap on his fat tummy and watch him… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

“How can such a system sustain?”

Who cares? Use a Bottoms Up approach (Please put on your oxygen mask first) . Life is short. Move toward the top 20%. Fast.

Philosophy, morality and spirituality are buffers. Use them wisely. (Nota bene: You are free to move about the cabin with the three of them, as needed. Roam if you want to, without wings without wheels. Roam if you want to, roam around the world). The Red Pill comes with a side of enlightened self interest. Use it.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@Cheupez: Not quite. The house is occupied by 2 to 4 generations of women and prepubescent boys. No man ever lives there. All sexually mature men live in the projects. Men are “callers.” They don’t call at the front door. Their visits, while an open secret, are “secret.” They sneak in the back or crawl in a bedroom window after dark. When the favorite alpha(s) is away doing alpha things, which is most of the time, sex is given to the betas in unpredictable drips. This is what keeps them orbiting while doing labour, even if they stop getting any… Read more »

cheupez
5 years ago

Two to four generations of females… Funny you should put it that way. I know a fine place where a woman lives with her daughters who are all single mothers. The dad was a wealthy (beta alpha?) fella. He died, health complications. I used to screw the youngest of the single mothers. She has a daughter. We started when she was not yet a single mother, then she later got knocked up (not my doing). I got some after she had the kid. Like all of them, she made a weak attempt to enroll me in to the “be-the-father-man-to-my-bastard.” Bounced.… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Funny you should put it that way.” It’s The Model(tm). At least for the lower tier of society (where most of the people are). The upper tier will go on as the aristocracy always has, pairing off for wealth and power, while having their little affairs off on the side. They are literally a separate race, breeding to maintain their bloodlines (I am descended from a failure of the breeding program, but great . . . great grandma was at least smart enough to get the fuck out of Dodge before the axe fell). In between a small middle class.… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

Qcurtius
http://wp.me/p5MelF-1Nh

cheupez
5 years ago

Hypergamy is still a bitch if the European royal family scandals are anything to go by. Or let us just say that it affects royal families anywhere you may find them. Check this one out:The aristocrats and their small affairs on the side!!

Shiva
Shiva
5 years ago

@cheupez, “… So what do these women have left? Many of us are guilty of breaking a girl’s virginity and bouncing, some of us doing it when we were already married. Those girls are now alpha widows. Who can they run to? Should they live alone for the rest of their lives? Should they accept that they will be bounced on from one casual fuck to the next for the rest of their lives?” Women have no regrets monkey branching men, taking their kids away from the fathers and then calling them deadbeats. So I have no regrets alpha widowing… Read more »

cheupez
5 years ago

Whats up with you today, do you feel like father of a daughter?

Yeah. That too. If she fucks up, am not up to fix her stupid fuck ups though. But mostly it has more to do with the realization that when all men decide to cross the fence from betaville to redpillville there is going to be a major disaster for indiscrete cock riders.

quranonthecob
5 years ago

Women want men to caress with a crushing hand.

cheupez
5 years ago

*indiscreet

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago
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Blaximus
5 years ago

R.I.P.

Chuck Berry.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

They may have crowned Elvis King, but Chuck and Bo were Rock & Roll.

Long live Chuck Berry!

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@Cheupez: Read the comments of the King carefully. There is no scandal within the Royal family. The fact that their behaviour has been put in view of the lower tiers is simply a problem. It is only the lower tiers that see a scandal. That is because the lower tiers project the rules regulating their behaviour onto the upper tier. But the upper tier is literally a different race. A separate breeding group. A different nation. And a nation makes its own rules regarding the behaviour of its own. What would have been a scandal within the aristocracy is if… Read more »

ChocDoc
ChocDoc
5 years ago

@ kfg

” With regards to your daughter, the hardest part of the pill for most men to choke down is that our mothers and daughters are Like That. ”

I think thats the real (final) test for a man to fully become RP.

The insight, that your own mother or daughter are playing that FI-Game against you and other men!

cheupez
5 years ago

@kfg
You sound like you have hatched up a specials class. Special woman. I dont mean to pee on your campfire but royals get knocked up. In the extreme cases they even abdicate doing it. AWALT. Royal or otherwise.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“You sound like you have hatched up a specials class.” I haven’t hatched it up. They did. And they turned it into race. “Special woman.” Roma woman. Jewish woman. Brahmin woman. Noble woman. I didn’t hatch these up. I simply observe them. ” . . . royals get knocked up.” Certainly. They wouldn’t be part of a breeding group if they didn’t, now would they? ” In the extreme cases they even abdicate doing it.” Q.E.D. I am descended from a scrapped princess, a discard. Scrapped even though 100% Noble. Because even being 100% Noble, she was still outside of… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

The Cheupez link appears to be fake news. But that doesn’t mean it’s not fodder for discussion.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

:

Some of the comments using the story to defend the veracity of the story were amusing. For anyone uncertain about it, this is the proper meaning of “to beg the question.”

anon
anon
5 years ago

We could discuss fake news.
Or how many angels can dance on a toothpick (my answer is…to infinity and beyond! I double dog dare you to disprove it).
Dan Rather nods in approval.

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

SFC ton
http://wp.me/p4pKtS-Jk

Boxcar
Boxcar
5 years ago

Women have a much better knack for PR than men. As Rollo describes it, women have all these rational and moral justifications for their epiphany phase mate screening, which also serve as convenient cover for not having sex with men that they are not attracted to. The less sympathetic description would be that they are trying to *use* men that they are not attracted to, for provisioning and support. When men screen women, we are more honest about the carnal nature of our intentions… We ask: Is she DTF? But a more socially acceptable (and equally correct) explanation would be… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

http://wp.me/pTP2I-wM
Observations

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago
Glider
Glider
5 years ago

dr zipper March 17, 2017 at 9:53 am Just brilliant! I so want to send this to a close female friend of mine, whose “reality” is just how you have stated it. The hamster is a powerful agent indeed, and is it really ever worth confronting as a rational male? Discretion often being the best past of valour, and all… But could she (or any other woman) ever acknowledge such truths? If so, unicorns truly would exist…which is why the best thing for a male is to only have women as loveable, childlike playthings. Never get married, and never breed,… Read more »

Just Saying
Just Saying
5 years ago

women of this age and up seem determined to hold out longer even if they want to fuck. This is the reason that women in my core group are 25 and younger – and I never target women older than 25 – although older ones that I still find attractive are welcome to share my bed if it’s a slow night. As a man in his mid-50’s – I like the young women for a simple reason, they have been told to “experience life” and they are more than willing to do so for an evening, as long as they… Read more »

Spouzes_dotcom
5 years ago

Do you think they’ll “think twice” about this social order that is asking them to man up and buy in to a broken system?

With the manosphere now readily available and alternative facts now no more than a google search away… is it really something that is just going to happen over the course of time… or has the pendulum swung so far in this instance that it broke clean off?

cheupez
5 years ago


Yes. It is fake news. I apologise. Never happened. Never happens.😉

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

Social media
http://wp.me/p6SXrP-juz

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Restart Well not sure what you mean by engineering? Tech? Programming? Architecture? Etc. General advice – be a founder not a worker bee. Forgoe salary when given the choice. Founders can fail while pocketing millions along the way if they are smart and dont believe their hype, while the salaried drones pay their rent and whose options all expire worthless. Sales is always a good way to go… Straight commission is best. If you can avoid tying your wagon to one horse and trade as a distributor with exclusive territories rather than an employee. Watch the non compete and non… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“If you can avoid tying your wagon to one horse and trade as a distributor with exclusive territories rather than an employee.”

Shit ton of smaller outfits rely on independent reps for their field sales. Don’t pick a product, pick a market and build a portfolio of related and supporting products.

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago
Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

SJF ISFPs live to find ways to push their passions. Riskier behaviors like gambling and extreme sports are more common with this personality type than with others. Fortunately their attunement to the moment and their environment allows them to do better than most. ISFPs also enjoy connecting with others, and have a certain irresistible charm. However, if a criticism does get through, it can end poorly. Some ISFPs can handle kindly phrased commentary, valuing it as another perspective to help push their passions in new directions. But if the comments are more biting and less mature, ISFP personalities can lose… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Body language in the second picture is classic.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

@ SJF and Sentient We’ve been having fun at home with the 16 personalities. Esp. Mrs. Eh. Solipsism and all. Thanks for the accounting career pathway success example. It’s not just for taxes anymore. I’ve not guided my son in his career choice other than telling him options are good, focus on his strengths. My personality isn’t his. The more I read here, the more my experiences seem quite narrow. Just a sherpa. He admitted if he took the MBTI last year, it’d been different. Go team RedPill. @SJF 55 y.o. friend assaulted a cop 30 years ago. Has never… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

21 RULES OF THE RONIN (Musashi’s Dokkodo in bold, Pride in standard text.) 1. Accept everything just the way it is. The world is as it is, not as we wish it to be. Understand the world works in this way, not in the way it should, but in the way it is actually. You must work in this paradigm or you will find nothing but disappointment. 2. Do not seek pleasure for its own sake. Gluttony is gross. Keep your body and mind sharp. Too much pleasure dulls the senses. Your senses must be sharp because you have only… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

Do not seek pleasure for its own sake. . . Keep your body and mind sharp.”

But . . . ya know, that’s what I find pleasurable. Now you’re just confusing me.

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

Dalrock
http://wp.me/pXWyH-bho

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

At a overnight professional conference recently. Many thoughts revolved around the OP. It started to read as a long FR, so I erased it. tl:dr version “Better still, they’ll feed that rationale/fantasy in the hope that her Epiphany will include her saving her best sex for him since now she’s come to understand that it’s been the ‘nice guys’ all along she ought to have been getting with if not for ‘society’ convincing her otherwise.” Most of my male colleagues are first time married around 32 to aging beauties or same-class dumpy women, after a short dating period. I’ve never… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago
Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
5 years ago

@EhIntellect The guys are “responsible” to a fault and the women feel entitled, or worse, don’t need an excuse to behave such. The FI rolls on. This is an aspect of the Epiphany Phase that would seem to correspond to “revisited” in a way. I’ve recently seen two similar examples of this from people I am related to. One man in his 30’s, the other in his 40’s, each married to women of nearly similar age and each man a loyal, hard working Beta provider; fully dedicated to wife and kids. In both cases the wife is a work from… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Patrol

When I’m at clubs, I see lots of married women without their husbands, but not too many married men without their wives.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Sentient Good reference on Southern Charm on Bravo. I did watch the three year catch up video on what happened there. My take is that the Frame control by the male and female is great. In fact, it is delightful. The purpose and passion of the males (frat boy floundering) is a little mis-guided, but I can overlook that for what your point is. Frame control is everything. As I’ve been working Frame this last five years it is a bit astonishing how powerful it is in living life. It is working great for me in MRP Game. Outstanding in… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

Dalrock
http://wp.me/p5MelF-1NN

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago
rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

A question
http://wp.me/p6SXrP-jv0

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

“…Frame with Command Presence. It works. Beware the medium when the message is the thing to pay attention to.” Thank you for your take on hospital dynamics. I can’t say the average nurse here is as cute …but girls are girls and all. This I find interesting though. Since upping the alpha, younger, female physicians routinely frame battle or shit test, often after a benign personal comment. The RN’s straight up “look at me” comfort test, usually. Me yesterday: Generally women remain attractive if they remain thin, and that’s an intake issue. Men, OTOH, require a level of muscle tone… Read more »

cheupez
5 years ago

Girl uses tinder to get the men she is NOT sexually attracted to, to shovel snow for her

Notice how she effortlessly and intuitively lumped men into two neat stacks; only later wishing there was overlap on the stacks. There isn’t. Sexy/attractive does not shovel snow, “wholesome” does…

“I swiped right exactly a dozen times. Instead of looking for men I was necessarily attracted to, I looked for men who seemed especially wholesome. (If only this Venn diagram had a greater overlap, perhaps I wouldn’t be in this predicament at all.)”

Women are naturals.

Hehehee…

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