The Myth of the Biological Clock

Popular culture likes to teach women and, by association, unenlightened men that there is an innate biological clock inside each woman that slowly ticks down to a magical period where her maternal instincts at long last predispose her to wanting a child. Perhaps, not so surprisingly, this coincides perfectly with the Myth of Women’s Sexual Peak as well as conveniently being the age demographic just post or just prior to when most women hit the Wall.

The concept of a biological clock sounds very convincing on the face of it – it’s “biological”, and when it comes to feminine social conventions, nothing convinces women more than their bodies, their selves. In girl-world biological reasonings are always suspicious rationales for men’s bad behavior, but when applicable to women, biology is “Mother Nature”, and you don’t argue with that bitch.

Unfortunately, and as fate would have it, the hard science of biology often tends to crash headlong into feminine social conventions. Lo and behold Many Women Underestimate Fertility Clock’s Clang. Who’d have thought? It would appear the cold hard science of women’s actual fertility window doesn’t exactly coincide with the articles of faith that feminine primacy is teaching them.

A new survey finds a big disconnect when it comes to fertility. The age women think they can conceive a baby is far different from what their bodies are actually capable of. This poses an increasing problem, as more women wait longer than ever to have children.

What’s the chance a 30-year-old can get pregnant in one try? Many thought up to 80 percent, while in reality it’s less than 30 percent. For a 40-year-old, many assumed up to a 40 percent success rate. It’s actually less than 10 percent. And when you keep trying? The survey finds many think you can get pregnant more quickly than it actually happens. It also shows many women underestimate how successful fertility treatments are.

Not only is the myth of the biological clock inaccurate in terms of when a woman should get pregnant, it’s dangerously misleading in the odds of becoming pregnant.

“The first thing they say is, ‘Why didn’t anybody tell me this?’” says Barbara Collura, who co-authored the survey and heads Resolve, the National Infertility Association. She laments that no federal agency pushes this issue, and neither women nor their OB-GYNs tend to bring it up. Though, Collura admits that fading fertility is a hard message to deliver.

“Let’s be honest, women don’t want to hear that they can’t have it all,” she says. “We can have a great job, we can have a master’s degree, we don’t need to worry about child-bearing because that’s something that will come. And when it doesn’t happen, women are really angry.”

I wont argue that women actually possess maternal instincts, I will argue that their understanding of when they manifest has been deliberately distorted by a feminine-centric cultural influence. If women are “angry” about the revelation their inability or difficulty to conceive in their post Wall biological conditions presents, their anger is misdirected. Rather than come down from the heady pedestal of ego-invested female empowerment psychology, they’ll blame men for not being suitable fathers, or lacking a will to “play-by-the rules” of the feminine imperative by whiling away their time in porn and video game induced comas.

“I just feel like it’s something else they lump onto women that we have no control over,” says filmmaker Monica Mingo, who’s blogged about her decade-long effort to conceive. She says the real issue is society at large, which is pushing back the age people are expected to settle down and have kids. Mingo didn’t even meet her husband until she was 32.

“You tell us your fertile years rapidly decline in your mid-20s,” she says. “Well, if I’m not dating anyone, and I want to have a family, what’s that information going to do for me?”

Well for one thing it might force you to come to terms with the course you want to set for your future life with an informed choice, rather than blaming it on so-called “Kidult” men when you do realize you want kids. I guess that’s asking too much when you’re in your prime party years at film school. Sorry Monica, time’s up, and you did have control over it in your pre-Wall years. All the haggard ghosts of feminism are cackling heartily around the cauldron of boiling good intentions in hell.

What were seeing here is a collision of hypergamy and feminine primacy smashing against the harsh reality of biology. The feminine imperative needs to create a new social convention to make this incongruent reality agree with it’s doctrine. It’s been done before with the convenience of Sexual Fluidity. Blame men for not living up to the tenets of the “having it all” ideology and create a convenient new social convention that shames men in its retro-resolution of the problem it caused itself.


38 responses to “The Myth of the Biological Clock

  • Mox

    Once again, you have to be careful here Rollo. That NPR article has nothing but anecdotal evidence of a few women with fertility problems – there is nothing to indicate that is a widespread phenomenon. The million dollar question here is how often does a 40 year old woman who wants to have a child fail to concieve, even with fertility treatments, etc. Nothing in that article answers that question.

    Furthermore, a lot of women who want to have women when they are young and cant must wait until they are older to be able to afford fertility treatments anyway, so the age of the women seeking fertility treatments doesnt actually correlate with low fertility – there are other variables at work.

  • Mox

    Should read “women who want to have children”. Sorry.

  • (r)Evoluzione

    Irony: a feminine-centric culture has destroyed embedded cultural knowledge about fertility, wrecking birth rates and dreams of family in SWPL women throughout the developed world.

    Perfection: first-world rates of resource consumption are already sky-high. More kids would worsen that. The system is self-regulating. Perhaps it can be seen as a supreme elegance and preternatural wisdom of the interconnected, interdependent systems that make up the biosphere.

    Complexity cannot continue to stack unabated, marginal returns on investment diminish rapidly once certain thresholds are reached. Our society reached those thresholds decades ago.

    We are now on the back side, the downward slope, of the curve. Enjoy the ride!

  • Traveller

    Just 2 cents:

    “Why didn’t anybody tell me this?”
    “…the real issue is society at large…”

    Pathetic, as usual.

    They NEED someone serving them any information on a silver plate. They do not make any effort. Children, stupid children.

    We see why women in (voting) power destroy societies, they create a government in their image, treating people like children.

    And how much info we men have about our biology? Aside the distorted and feminist indoctrination.

  • Danger

    Wow, now that was an ass kicking.

    This comment says it all…..

    “She says the real issue is society at large, which is pushing back the age people are expected to settle down and have kids.”

    Note the word “EXPECTED”. Living your life by what is expected of you is the fastest road to becoming a sheep. Unfortunately all too many people these days let the media program their thoughts and behaviors.

  • theprivateman

    The social contract between the genders? Torn up by women. The standard life script? Re-written by SWPL women who have the resources to pursue fertility treatments.

  • YOHAMI

    The so called biological clock is more like desperation, a now or never sort of thing.

    The real biological clock is when these woman are young, and wanting to bed the more-alpha-possible men. That IS what their body is telling them to do. Not for fun, but for procreation.

  • Deep Dish

    According to a fertility clinic in Boca Raton, Florida, “Age is the most important factor affecting [in vitro fertilization] success rates. For women under 35, pregnancy rates are about 30% per cycle plummeting to approximately 5% by age of 43. For women over 40 undergoing IVF at BocaFertility, most of the successful pregnancies occur between the ages of 40 and 42. A significant drop in live birth rate is noted in women over the age of 43 with no births occurring beyond age 45.”

    http://www.bocafertility.com/infertility_over_40.aspx

    It should be noted those numbers are for the Boca Raton clinic, so while nationwide there may be a few women over the age of 45 knocking out a baby, they are statistical anomalies as to be otherwise non-existent.

  • Deep Dish

    The age group 40-42 has a 23% success rate, or a 77% failure rate, depending on how you look at it.

  • (r)Evoluzione

    So then it’s our job as strong men to find the hottest young thing you can & knock her up. For real. Gotta make beautiful babies. Heheh.

  • Madbiker

    I don’t want to beat this drum too hard because I’ve said this in a few other places, but the best book to read for men or women, about female fertility, is “Taking Charge of Your Fertility.” It’s about the Fertility Awareness Method (FAM), but so much more. I bought it because I wanted to ditch hormonal birth control; making me too nutty and unpredictable. Since reading this book, I became aware of my past emotions and disappointments; empty-womb syndrome really is true. The let-down of not getting pregnant after feeling so sensationally sexy during the ovulation period is completely real. This should be the book used to teach girls about sex – not just the mechanics of penis into a vagina, but all of the other biological, hormonal, and emotional factors involved in day-to-day male-female and female-female relationships. We really are slaves to our biology, and expecting otherwise is always going to lead to unhappiness.

    Guys, recommend this book to women in your lives. It will help them get a grip on themselves.

  • Anonymous

    Well, now, this certainly makes a strong case for older men wanting to date/marry younger women, doesn’t it? After all, we want kids, too, and when we have established ourselves to the point where we are able to properly raise and take care of them, it just makes sense to improve our odds as much as possible. But hey, ladies, that’s not our fault. Biology uber alles.

    “a collision of hypergamy and feminine primacy smashing against the harsh reality of biology”

    The feminists and empowered wymyn made their cold and lonely beds, and can now lie in them. Let them learn the hard way and serve as an example to the younger generations.

  • Good Luck Chuck

    Too bad women have a hard time understanding logic cause I would love to throw these fertility statistics in the faces of all of these 30+ women who complain that older men only want to date younger women.

  • Jim

    Many women, and probably many of the same women who try in many ways to get pregnant in their 30′s and 40′s, already got pregnant in their teens and 20′s but they “got rid of it then” and so yet again most women want what they cannot have. Therefore, for some their career is their baby. I’m not going to get married or have children, and I’m not into politics, so it doesn’t bother me what other people personally do anyway.

  • RL

    When I sit in the tube in London on my way to university I see lots of adverts for some of the many fertility clinics. So, it seems it is very much marketed to career women.

    Here is an interesting chart: http://www.babycenter.com/0_chart-the-effect-of-age-on-fertility_6155.bc

    Excellent blog along with dalrock, roissy, xsplat. If you can could you also make a post of Asian women and Western men.

  • Jordan

    “Sorry Monica, time’s up, and you did have control over it in your pre-Wall years. All the haggard ghosts of feminism are cackling heartily around the cauldron of boiling good intentions in hell.”

    Amen.

  • Eye in the Sky

    “All the haggard ghosts of feminism are cackling heartily around the cauldron of boiling good intentions in hell.”

    That is powerful poetry, sir.

  • Doc

    Don’t bet on lack of fertility… Long ago when I was a lot younger than I care to admit to for various reasons, I became involved with a married woman, who at 46, was sure she couldn’t conceive. Fast forward six months, and she was three month’s pregnant – now this was before DNA testing was practically given away in a box of Cracker-Jax so there is no evidence the child was mine. But after almost ten years of trying with her husband, she hooks up with me and in a few months – she’s preggers. Since then, I’ve read several studies which basically say that women will often get pregnant via affairs when they can’t with hubby.

    And I could mention an occurrence when in college with some older women (40′s) in a yoga class, but will spare you the details. Suffice it to say, that just because she “thinks” she can’t get pregnant doesn’t mean that nature plays by the same rules as we may think she does… (Yeah, when I was younger my standards were lower, and I was a lot more horny – so pretty much anything that looked good at the moment was on the menu.)

    Now that I am the around the age of those women, I tend to date women a lot younger, primarily because I do not want to preclude starting a family at some point. And while a 35+ year old, can get pregnant – it’s a lot more fun, and easier to try with a woman a lot younger. :)

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  • NoBioClock

    While I’m sure my opinion won’t be popular around here because of what it ultimately concludes, I do agree that there’s no biological clock.

    I think the bio-clock is a media invention, nothing more. I think hypergamy is a media invention. I think alphas and betas are media inventions. I think most of the terms people cling to when trying to shove human behavior into tidy little boxes are media inventions. “Media” when I use it is a wide-reaching term, and includes the blogosphere.

    Many people hate feminism, and chafe against the word even being mentioned. For someone like me, it’s been an amazing revolution. I never wanted kids, and the older I get, the less and less I want them. My wonderful husband of five years is the same way, and thank the lord. I also wanted a career very much and always have. Had I been an upper-middle class woman in the mythical 1950s that many people wish to return to, I’d have had few options. I’d have had no career, and been a slave to my uterus. I’d probably just have remained single and tried to get into the working world however I could, even though the barriers for educated women were very high. (By the way, working-class women like my grandmothers HAD to work in the 50s. They had no economic choice.)

    But today, I don’t have to have kids. For now, Roe v. Wade still stands. I also have a solid grasp of my menstrual cycles and know when I’m ovulating and when to avoid sex. I am sympathetic to the issues MRAs feel are not fair to men – including custody, alimony, and child support. But there are limits to my sympathy, because MRAs view me as a monolith – a hysterical, irrational, money grubbing hypergamous bitch who needs to shit-test and craves alpha cock. Nothing could be further from the truth, but for some reason, Manosphere blogs can’t stand and can’t tolerate people who deviate from stereotypes.

    More importantly, when we exist under a cultural framework when “woman” and “mother” are synonymous, custody and divorce outcomes will never change from where they currently stand. Until we begin to acknowledge the cold, hard facts – 1 in 4 women don’t WANT kids, and 45% of women under 40 don’t have any, many by choice – custody and divorce cases will never tilt in men’s favor. Until all barriers to abortion are knocked down in all 50 states, men will continue to be forced into paying child support for children they don’t want. The system of governance most Americans have decided they prefer is one in which we don’t own our reproductive or child support decisions – the state does. MRAs only look at how these decisions negatively effect men, while turning a blind eye to the cultural stereotypes of women that created this environment.

    The manosphere overwhelmingly frames women as mothers. They describe us as a unified hive mind, who ride a cock carousel until we’re too “used up” to “land a man” and have the babies we crave, and which are our destiny as per evolutionary psychology. But reality paints a different picture.

    Until MRAs and the manosphere begin acknowledging that some men also possess parenting instincts – and that many women have never, and will never want children – there will be no, zero, zilch progress on divorce and custody issues.

    Your move.

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  • Elaine

    I am in complete awe at the first comment. How can any educated person not understand that THE number one determining factor regarding fertility is a woman’s age. You chances of getting pregnant and delivering a live child even with IVF are less than 5% after age 40. Less than 5%. Any other factor pales in comparison. It is a matter of very simple biology. Women are born with their complete egg supply. By age 40, those eggs have aged at the same rate as the woman in whose ovaries they are stored. Ask absolutely ANY medical doctor, anywhere in the world, and the stats remain the same. Anecdotal evidence my ass. Come on! Women need to get off their feminist soapboxes and take a trip to reality land. If you wait, your chances of conceiving drop exponentially every year after 35. And if a woman is “lucky” enough to conceive (by any method) past 40, the odds of a miscarriage (90% of which are attributable to chromosomal abnormality of the egg, not sperm-at any age) are over 70%. And if a woman is “lucky” enough to go to term, the odds of having a child with a profound chromosomal abnormality are upwards of 40%. Women are entitled to wait, build careers, and plan their lives. They just cannot claim a lack of fairness or surprise when they cannot get pregnant for the first time at 43. Spare me the feigned ignorance. Talk about hubris! And I know whereof I speak-I’m a fertility treatment veteran who began trying to conceive at age 33. And it’s taken me until 37 to be successful. But the timing of when I began was my choice and mostly mine alone (my husband did have some say). I own it, I’ve paid for it (to the uninsured tune of $70,000), and it would be incredibly ignorant to say that it was a good thing because I could actually afford the treatment at my age. Had I not waited to start trying, I likely would not have needed to spend a dime. So ladies-get a grip, own your choices as well as their consequences. And save the “I had no idea” nonsense for someone who is equally ignorant enough to believe it.

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  • Ashley Richardson

    This is fantastic to say the least.

  • Djeed

    So, as I understand here, there is actually a biological clock. It’s just that women are not aware of it and have in turn believed the “social bio-clock”?

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  • Anna

    Another good post.

    Our media has certainly had a hand or two in convincing both sexes (but women in particular) that just about anything is possible in one lifetime. You can have a perfect marriage, 4 kids, a PhD, and a lucrative/well paying career all by the time you’re 35!

    Yeah…no. I’m sorry, some people may be able to do this, but they’re so rare you’d have better luck finding a flying pig. Decisions *have* to be made, preferably before/at age 25.

    You want to dedicate your life to learning and get a PhD? Have at it!

    Prefer the “home life” with a nice house, bunch of kids and a hard working spouse? Alright then!

    Want to work long hours, get a good career, prove yourself worthy of promotion? Sounds good!

    Try to do *all* that at once? Recipe for disaster in my opinion…at the absolute most, two of the above can be worked on at the same time, and one will invariably suffer or be put on the back burner. We all need to be responsible for our lives…no one else can live them for us.

    I’m 27 now. I decided a long time ago that I didn’t want children and married life wasn’t for me. I have a Bachelor’s in Business and Philosophy, I work 55 hours a week at a job I love, will own my car in only 9 more payments and will be completely debt free in under 2 years. By then, I’ll either be going for my MBA or will be a company partner…both if I can manage it. This is the life I’ve chosen…one of freedom and hard work. If I turn 50 and suddenly want kids, oh well. Too bad, so sad.

    I cringe when I hear other women say “but I didn’t know” or “I thought I had more time” or “this isn’t fair”. Listen honey, *life* isn’t fair. You should’ve paid more attention in health class, asked your gyno relevant questions about fertility, and decided what to do with your life before you turned 30.

    It’s time for everyone to take more responsiblity for themselves. Jeez…

  • Babalouie

    Everybody knows that a woman’s fertility peaks in the early twenties

  • An actual rational person

    Wow. This article, this blog, and those who agree with you are fucking disgusting. “The rational male”? Try “The sexist piece of shit”. You’re scum, a whiny MRA misogynist. You’re not a woman, so stop pretending you know anything about us. The world would be so much better for everyone if you and your bigotry would disappear.

  • Gitane

    @An actual rational person

    I would say that you just proved everything this post stated about women being clueless about their fertility, and being in denial about it. Exactly which points that were raised are “disgusting?” More importantly, which points are scientifically questionable or unsound?

    Hurling insults does not alter reality. Reality does not care about your opinion.

  • CJ

    I am sorry, but when are men going to wake up and realize they have biological clocks too and that sperm mobility, sperm production and quality of sperm start going down at age 30 and take a steep decline at 40? Further more, men increase their chances of producing autistic offsetting by a 3-fold after age 40 and see a 6-fold increase in having schizophrenic offspring by reproducing after 50. Nature favors the young producing with the young, so the old, middle-aged losers who want 15-year-old brides need to get over themselves. And here is a fun fact: 80% of couples seeking IVF treatments are there because of the husband’s infertility issues, not the wife’s. Nature favors young with young. Get your facts straight.

  • steve

    A warning to ladies, ignore me and string me along in your prime….. i will not feel obligated to play nice to you in mine. Just as it was easy for a teen/early 20s girl to say the right things to milk me and my friends for money/time/support and string us along when they had no real intention of dating, I have found it is quite easy for me to say the right things to 30 year old women and string them along. I am living off 2 different attractive and slim women (top 10% in looks for their age) right now and don’t even work (haven’t in 3 years) because they believe me that my 3 million dollar trust fund is coming when I am 35 and that I want kids. In reality, I have a vasectomy and there is no trust fund. I paid a friend 100 dollars to photoshop some fake documents and send them to me on an official letterhead with a fancy envelope which was “accidentally” left out on the coffee table. He spent 2 days making the perfect documents even using a pressed stamp seal and sends me quarterly “updates” on my investments which show ~200k in annual returns on the investment which is being reinvested. I have milked these women for well over a quarter of a million dollars in gifts and both work 2 jobs (70 and 65 hours per week) supporting me because they think they are going to have the good life in a few years and won’t ever need to work again. I promised to support them and we could travel the world off the interest and raise our kids. In reality, I am going to string them along and get them in massive credit card debt then destroy their careers before leaving them in another 3 years and do this again. Both were party girls and the type that abused me and my friends when they had the power to do so so not only do I not feel bad about doing it but I also often laugh and smile when I think about what I have accomplished so far. That 100 dollars has been the best investment I have ever made. If you are considering doing this, you need to be very smart and not overly obvious or they will know you are faking. Try to downplay it and don’t talk too much about it. My childhood friend helped spread the news about lazy me and my trust fund to his co-worker which is how we met. He of course primed her that I was lazy and didn’t work because my parents were loaded and mentioned the trust fund so she suspected nothing and of course initiated the chase. I can’t stress this enough, let them bring it up and don’t rush it. Also make sure you don’t introduce them to your parents and lie about your parents address because they will google map it most likely. The only other thing I do other then the quarterly updates now is I always address packages to my parents at this other address I memorized which is in a very exclusive neighborhood and is quite nice and the property tax page has the same surname as my mother’s maiden name. Then when I take the box to the post office, I use their sticky labels to correct the address. It works like a charm. Neither girl suspects anything and they both don’t care that I have a mistress as long as they are the primary girl.

  • steve

    Oh, I forgot to mention a juicy detail, I even used one of the girls AMEX points for the plane ticket for a trip to Thailand with my buddy. She was cool with it as long as I did’t tell her about the details and was smart about using protection and made sure nobody knew I went other then this friend which was outside of her social circle. I even used the exact bills she gives me for my spending money to exchange for baht which I paid the girls with.

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