The Nature of Power

From Truth to Power:

Real Power is the degree to which a person has control over their own circumstances. Real Power is the degree to which we control the directions of our lives.

Are women attracted to Power? Yes. Why? Because a man who has it is in control of his own circumstances (to the best of his ability). People need to be reminded of this because we tend to think of power as some tyrannical dominance over others. Sometimes power is exercised as such, but that’s not what defines real power.

There exist a set of Beta men who hold this idea because it fits into their self-loathing binary understanding of intersexual dynamics. On my Incels post comment thread there’s a conversation with a 25year old guy who considers himself an Incel and his self-awareness is one that he’s hopeless to be anything else. He believes he has no power and therefore nothing a woman would ever want from a man. As he persists in this belief he’s not wrong.

I’m proud of my commentariat for giving this guy some kind of hope and inspiration, but according to the Black Pilled set all they’re doing is setting him up for failure and disappointment. Because if he attempts to empower himself he’d just be making himself a more efficient pussy-beggar and or/setting himself up for more failure. The game is rigged so stop playing it, right? And even if he had the kind of access to women he wished for ‘the juice isn’t worth the squeeze’ is the circular logic, and he’d only be a failure from within a success – or something like that.

The old saying goes, ‘Everything is about sex, except sex; sex is about power’. But what is ‘power‘? The degree to which a person has control over circumstances that would otherwise govern their lives. But power is always measured by how it fits into a particular context, so in this instance that power is a control over sexual experience, gratification and ultimately reproduction. And really, this is the basis of how Hypergamy has become the socialized, prime-directive that is gynocentrism. What is the latent purpose of a feminine-primary social order? Empowering women to unilaterally control their reproductive circumstances and then as much of their own lives as follows that imperative.

Power is one aspect of attraction (sometimes arousal) for women. I would also say, by this definition, that power is an aspect of a man being Alpha, but it isn’t the only aspect. I can point to a lot of men who have no real power, influence, affluence or even social proof who nonetheless pull women and have women pull him because they have a look that fit a woman’s sexual ideal and/or had an Alpha mindset. I have been that guy.

Power is not a prerequisite for being Alpha, but the appearance of, the potential for, power certainly is. Remember, women are hardwired to seek out competency in men as part of their innate need for security in all its forms. This is why I make the distinction between power being ‘attractive’ to a woman (in the long term Beta Need side of Hypergamy) and not always an element in arousal – though when paired with an arousing man power is intoxicating for women sexually.

The appearance of, or potential for, real power in a man represents competency in his capacity to control the circumstances that would dictate the terms of his life. If a woman is to ultimately pair monogamously with a man, his access to power will ultimately dictate the terms of her life while paired with that man. So it follows that power would be a selected-for aspected of female attraction.

This is probably pretty remedial. “Duh, chicks dig power Rollo.”

Power is a part of that Alpha ideal, but the question to ask is why is power attractive to a woman? This is where militant MGTOWs and Black Pill nihilists show their colors. Most will say it’s because they want control or some parasitic association with a powerful man to further their own ends. In essence it’s about a need to control their circumstances by using a male proxy to exercise their own self-serving plans. It’s all very melodramatic until you pick apart the latent purposes of female power.

From an evolutionary perspective, what these guys think is “power” is really just social dominance, preselection and a good physique. That’s why they’re obsessed with the “Chad” archetype that bullied them in high school. That guy seems “powerful” and made a lasting impression on them because he effortlessly got women and reminds them of what they’re not. Whether or not the guy is genuinely ‘powerful’ in the sense that he’s in control of his own destiny is irrelevant – he has the appearance of what these guys think power should look like and he’s rewarded with pussy for it.

So, what to do? Do the same shit feminists do; change the game and try to convince everyone that they are the real deal and the world that they figured out (really constructed) on their own is the ‘real’ game everyone ought to be playing. Unless you’re Thundercock the Barbarian, which you never are, all you’re doing is trying to be like him, which amounts to you accruing ‘power’, (however they define it) no matter how self-interested you think you are, with the sole purpose of giving it away to a woman – which she will use to more completely own you, because, that’s “just how women are.”

Feminists do the same thing from their own base of interest. They cannot compete for Darwinistic reproductive success with women whose SMV outclasses their own.

Solution: Change the game to suit their lesser capacity to compete; embrace fat-positivity, shame men for their innate sexual choices and expressions, disqualify hot women by disempowering and stigmatizing their strengths. Ban Grid Girls, cheerleaders on TV and remove the swimsuits from Miss America.

All of these are adaptive strategies for increasing reproductive success. The problem is nature confounds these efforts over and over again. The idea is to change the rules of the game; to literally control the reality and context in which it’s played in order to make the ones changing it the superior players. Rather than find the cheat codes to play the existing game in ‘God Mode’ the idea is to just rewrite the game to suit their skills.

Ostensibly, the cover story of feminism has always been about some effort to achieve an idealized state of equality between men and women. This has never been the actual case, but even if we were to presume that this equality was tenable it still requires the players to ignore their strengths and weaknesses in playing the existing game and pretend that a new game, based on contrived rules, is now the true game. The problem is they can never get everyone to participate in the new game. The fact remains that we evolved to compete in a naturalistic game and most people instinctively get this reality even when they espouse a belief in the new game.

Beautiful women will aspire to a feminist-contrived norm, but on a root level of consciousness they understand that their beauty and sexuality puts them above their less beautiful sisters. This again is a form of power. It provides them a control advantage over their life circumstances and their hindbrains wont allow any pretense of a level playing field stop them from exercising it.

End Games

The same principle applies to the ends of MGTOW. I’m not even sure what the consensus is as to what an idealized outcome between the genders might be for a MGTOW mindset. Every time I’ve tried to parse out what happens when enough men go MGTOW that society shifts I’m usually met with some equalist future where women ‘come to their senses’ and take responsibility for their own actions. That and crypto currencies seem to be what the future MGTOW utopia looks like.

I’m not being flippant here. I’m genuinely curious as to what the end state of a MGTOW society ought to look like. Feminists seem to think that egalitarian equalism and gender neutrality, and a world where men and women are coequal agents is a future that’s possible. I’ve read the comparisons of feminism with Marxism and it’s not too far off with regard to their stated future hopes. I don’t buy any of it of course. It’s been proven over and over that feminism is a supremacism movement, but I’m interested in what the hopes are for the the cover story of feminism.

I wonder the same about MGTOW. Both MGTOW and feminism are ultimately interested in power – in the respect that power is the control over the individual circumstances that govern our lives. MGTOW make it very clear that dealing with women is an unacceptable risk (by order of degrees) and that until such time as the risks diminish to an acceptable tolerance they’ll simply ‘go their own way’ and avoid potentially dangerous entanglements with women. Sounds perfectly logical in a male deductive logic way, but what does the intended goal-state look like for MGTOW?

I’ve yet to get a clear consensus on this. Most of it seems to be awaiting an expected societal collapse whereafter women ‘come to their senses’ and somehow realize they really need men and voluntarily relinquish the power they hold today in favor of treating men more fairly. I’m doubtful of how realistic this is, but perhaps I’m mistaken in this being the perceived end game. Women of course would see this as being an abdication of their own interests – a surrender of feminism so to speak, but what does an acceptable ‘truce’ between men and women look like to feminists as well as MGTOWs?

I ask these questions because it seems to me that both movements depend on an adversarial state existing between the sexes. What would the inter-gender landscape need to look like for MGTOWs to deal with women or compete with other men? What would that landscape need to look like for feminism to dissolve and relinquish the abusive power it’s established over the lives of men?

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Adrian
Adrian
4 years ago

I think you misunderstand what MGTOW is and how it operations. Have a chat with sandman or stardusk and you will get it. They do not do it for social purposes in order to rewrite the game in their favour. It’s an individualistic movement and this is why the question “how society will become if mgtows will be mainstream?” is irrelevant. Despite their hypergamy, when women will have no resources in their reach, they will adapt or die.

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
4 years ago

“But if you point out all the exceptions as ” rules “, you will voluntarily delude yourself .”

Those AREN’T exceptions, those ARE the RULES. The rest is nothing more than blue pilled lies that women feed the gullible men to not scare them away from the plantation.

But we can agree to disagree.

Chump No More
Chump No More
4 years ago

Put me in the camp of those skeptical of the statement, “the majority of MGTOW are undesirable”.

My opinion is purely anecdotal (as is everyone else here), but when I peruse MGTOW forums I see a majority of men who have been burned in relationships and by the fem-centric system and have wrongly come to the conclusion that all women are just bad news and to be avoided by varying degrees. They don’t strike me as ‘undesirables’… just bitter, angry, hollowed out shells of men.

I occasionally ponder on how close I came to becoming one.

O.B.I.T.
O.B.I.T.
4 years ago

The 80/20 rule has an amazing array of alleged applications in business, science, biology and so on — so you’d expect at least some relevance to sex and interpersonal dynamics.

Long before the internet or the Red Pill I heard that “20 percent of people are having 80 percent of the fun.”

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Chump

That’s what I’m watching out for. The ” all women will fuck your life up ” thing, along with the ” only a select few .. ” thing.

Buffer.

And I think this is why these sentiments are so strong in the sphere , because many men come to it after something nasty has taken place, or the inability to launch.

80% is too high imo.

marelius
marelius
4 years ago

20% of the men who don’t use dating apps get 80% of the women who do, or some other arbitrary nonsense that could actually (and likely already was) measured. Who cares? Statistics are just for insurance companies and economists. IRL, there is only the singular case that matters – which is “the guy” who wants to get laid (every normal man). So Incubus, you seem to be saying the “the rulz” dictate that 80% of men ARE incels, and nothing can change that. As Blax has said, my real life experience tells me that a clear majority of everyone I… Read more »

Incubus_Rising
Incubus_Rising
4 years ago

OK Gentlemen, you are right. Its only the tiny minority of losers … you know the “44 year old, balding, pot bellied Indian guys”, but who cares about those Curry-cels, lets just stomp on their heads and piss down their throats.

Rollo, apparently your work is no needed anymore. No one is having issues getting laid. 80/20 is a sham, women find all men attractive. No need to understand female nature or learn GAME, lets shut down the Manosphere and sing KUMBAYA.

Have a good weekend!

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Why is it that 80% of married guys I personally know of aren’t divorced

That statistic is standard among the UMC. Divorces are more common in the lower and upper classes as well as among blue collar families.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

The idea that all women don’t have desire for the average man is dependent on what we define as ” average “. It’s reasonable to observe that a majority of males are varying degrees of blue pill, with some that are just clueless altogether. But it’s not bp to understand that all women won’t shank you in the liver first opportunity they get. Life demands skillsets. The fewer skillsets a guy possesses the more likely awful shit will head his way. Hence Rollo’s writings. Women, all of them, are programmed from birth. The degrees vary somewhat. For every ” woman… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Incubus

You have a great weekend as well. We can agree to disagree, but I will leave you with one last word –

GAME.

No kumbaya, just game.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

I see what you are doing/saying there Blaximus. I’m not a good spokesperson for the bottom 80% and neither are you. Because they do typically have blind spots and buffers. Because they are human. Because they have fears that protect them from getting taken out/eaten and spit out by Mother Nature. Some people don’t have masculine mastery in dealing with the unknown or with malevolent adversaries. I know lots of people. I’ve seen lots growing up in my hometown, seeing patients and their families in my practice, my neighborhood of 20 years, my country club social scene. (I still claim… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

The statistic is that 20% of the men get 80% of the sex. And they get desire sex, not negotiated sex. This doesn’t mean that 80% of the men get no sex. Frank the married UMC might have sex 2-3 times a month with his wife, yet occasionally get told that his wife is too tired for sex (from “working” too hard at the office–fucking her boss).

UMC married men get laid less frequently the longer the marriage continues and the marriage is dead by age 60 for most. (That statistic is for all married men, not just UMC.)

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Asd

My lifetime observations differ. Divorce is a problem for two reasons. 1) the ability to win cash and prrizes, and 2) men not understanding red pill or even their burden, so they fly blind.

One shouldn’t just chance and hope in this area. Many absolutely do. Society ( or its classes ) won’t help the average man and might even put him at more risk because he believes that ” his group ” is just automatically immune.

If your toe is gangrene it would be wise not to ignore it.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

The pool boy from my previous example might get sex once a month from 3 women customers, have 3 fuckbuddies he has sex with once a month, get laid 3 times a month at parties, and get a bj a couple of times a month at bars, for 11 fucks with 11 different women per month. Yet Frank may only get 2.5 fucks a month from his wife. So the pool boy gets 80% of the sex and Frank gets 20%.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
4 years ago

@Incubus @Blax “A lot of men get to breed and have sex, but it does not mean that women find them desirable, or that such men as receiving “desire sex” from their women.” THIS. Don’t conflate desire sex (a pretty small minority of sexual encounters) with the fact that most men are married and getting at least some sex etc. We’re talking about the quality of desire more than the amount of sex (that’s also a factor, but as you’ve pointed out most guys are getting *something*). Even if the sex is more than starfish and the woman generally has… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

I think another thing that fucks with the numbers is that people in general ( not just incels) are having less sex as a whole.

O.B.I.T.
O.B.I.T.
4 years ago

If you buy that 80/20 applies in some circumstances, one question would be, how static is the top 20 percent over time?

Is it the same people long-term or are individuals continually moving up or down — in which case far more than just 20 percent of guys would get their crack at enjoying this prime social standing. And others could at least work toward this goal with some hope.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Yup.

O.B.I.T.
O.B.I.T.
4 years ago

Wash Post 2017: Overall, American adults are having less sex than they did a quarter century ago, with married people showing the most dramatic decline of all. The paper, published in the journal Archives of Sexual Behavior, showed a drop across gender, race, region, education level and work status. One factor is the higher percentage of unpartnered people, who tend to have less sex than partnered ones. But a major driver is a steady fall in sexual activity for people who are married or living with partners. Using 1989-2014 data from the General Social Survey, the study found that American… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Culum That’s why for years you’ve seen me repeat myself like a skipping cd. There’s only ever been a few times in life where I would approach a woman with sex being the endgame solely. It has been done, but it’s rare. I want more from a woman than just her cursory spreading her legs. That’s the least she can do and it’s not enough. She spreads her fucking legs for her gyno.😂 The best thing pua teachers do is impart understanding about how to peak interest and spark desire in a woman. That’s game. Desire can be built (… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

“peak interest”

or “pique interest”

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Tomato….

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“If you buy that 80/20 applies in some circumstances, one question would be, how static is the top 20 percent over time?” With red pill lenses on, I’d say it is as static as you want it to be. And what outside forces you are dealing with. You have free will and you get to change your Domain. The problem is never the problem; it is how people handle it. Nassim Taleb dealt with that in Skin in the Game, but it was too intertwined in his web of overall intellectualism, so it’s hard to fit this peg into that… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Blax, the courteous (socially non-retarded) reply is, “Thank you.”

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

“The exact opposite of perfect ergodicity is an absorbing state.”

And that’s why we want to start at a Red Pill bottoms up approach. Placing too much Importance on the Pedulums of an Absorbing State is a big problem. Unimportance of outside influences.

On a micro level, not leaning in, or pedestalizing a woman for the good of each. On a Macro level, not letting the FI and The Matrix suck you in.

Having path dependence is no way to go through life.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
4 years ago

Incubus_Rising – Close to 80% of divorces initiated by women Probably not yet, but soon. When I first looked into the issue back in 2010, in he US 60% to 65% of divorces were filed by women. Women aged 35 to 45 filed 65% within their cohort. More recently we have reached 70%; across the total space of “married in US”, 7 out of every 10 divorces are filed by women. In another 3 to 7 years we should see that reach 80%, because of age, democgraphics and long term social currents. Plus 80/20 leading to “settling” leading to “unhaaaapy”… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
4 years ago

@Chump No More “They don’t strike me as ‘undesirables’…” Oh? “just bitter, angry, hollowed out shells of men.” Tell me how women won’t find such men undesirable again? There’s a good chance whatever in their personality lead them to get burned is part of why they reacted so poorly to failure. Women pick up on that subtext and find it undesirable. Hypergamy does not care how the sausage is made only the end result. If they’re bitter, angry, and hollow now they probably had no Game to begin with. I know that was my case. Wasn’t bitter and angry to… Read more »

Eric Lauder
Eric Lauder
4 years ago

MGTOW here. “I’m not even sure what the consensus is as to what an idealized outcome between the genders might be for a MGTOW mindset.” What is the end goal of MGTOW? There’s no such thing since every MGHOW is different. Ideally, my preferred outcome for men of the future would be: the possibility to have kids with zero to very few efforts. It’s basically about men being able to access to artificial wombs and artificially-created eggs. Soccer champion Cristiano Ronaldo already have three kids on his own, zero women having rights on them, he got them through surrogacy. Total… Read more »

O.B.I.T.
O.B.I.T.
4 years ago

Regarding divorce-initiation stats:

Are they possibly skewed by some legal technicality that sometimes makes it advantageous for a couple to have the wife file, even if it’s the man who is fed up and wants out (or they mutually want out)?

Roused
Roused
4 years ago

Obit,

Perhaps stats are skewed but…..

If a guy wants out then he should get the fuck out and not be relying on his soon to be ex to do the work for him. I wanted out, I filed. So I guess I’m in the 30% group. It speaks volumes about a guy if he wants out but doesn’t have the agency (or balls) to do so himself. Maybe that is a tell about why the relationship wasnt working in the first place.

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Fubared
Fubared
4 years ago

Thinking there is an end game is blue pill. The manosphere doesn’t understand each other because the majority of men haven’t applied the red pill to everything. It comes down to ants(burden of performance) and grasshoppers(MGTOW nihilism). We are all at different depths of the red pill rabbit hole and that’s cool, different strokes for different folks. ZFG is at the bottom of the rabbit hole and winter is somebody else’s problem down here.

Eric Lauder
Eric Lauder
4 years ago

@Fubared
I think it’s also, even mainly, a matter of age: I think any man MUST be PUA/PUA-like/wannabee PUA in the period between the day he earn his driving license and the day he earn his degree. Outside this age range then things become more and more nuanced.

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago

Eric Lauder
I was looking into everything you just described since I got into the red pill.

Eric Lauder
Eric Lauder
4 years ago

@rugby11
Everything I described happened while there wasn’t internet in the houses (there was in the university and it was beginning to appear in some workplaces) and mobile phones were quite rare. About 1990-1998, mainly 1992-97.
It’s unlikely that it could be fully applied even within actual social environment.

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0xsTegIxpA

Calling out Donovan.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Meh. Take it to the ring.😂

Brave New world of bitching across streams…..with 12 viewers. More people than that saw me take out the garbage yesterday.

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago
theasdgamer
4 years ago

I think another thing that fucks with the numbers is that people in general ( not just incels) are having less sex as a whole.

“People” = “men and women”

if women are having the same amount of sex, but with a smaller group of men, then it will appear that “people” are having less sex because most men will be having less sex

IAS
IAS
4 years ago

@KFG (or others but he usually discusses these topics so I wrote this thinking of him) 1. Weighted squats: going deep so ass is below parallel seems a good idea. What to do about the butt wink though (at the bottom, my pelvis goes forward which is probably bad). Looks like the left in this image: I can counteract it a bit so that it looks like middle or right in that image, but I almost don’t go ass below knees then. 2. I’m thinking of buying a bread machine so I don’t buy so much bread and I know… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago

Good read
https://wp.me/p6NxED-wP

RedPillNoob
RedPillNoob
4 years ago

“Where does power flow from – skill or destiny?”
~The Illusionist

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Skill.

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago
theasdgamer
4 years ago

@IAS

I’ve found that if you don’t eat more than 6 Carbs a day (1 Carb = 15 grams), you can lose weight without totally giving up carbs.

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rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago
kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@IAS: Form is a skill. Like other skills it must be trained through a progression, working up to it slowly. Start with body weight gradually going lower and lower while maintaining form. When you can do it body weight, start over again with just a bar. You’ll probably need someone to watch you and give feedback. Kinda like “stretching,” only a bit different (and as I’ve noted before you should think in terms of “range of motion” rather than “stretching”). It is also likely that the “core of your core” is weak in the lower back. Absent a MedX lumbar… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
4 years ago

Wow. A 10+ paragraph post from KFG?? It’s a whole new world out here! 😉

(interesting point about thinking about “range of motion” instead of “stretching” too)

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
4 years ago

PS – Any exercise/therapy recommendations for a late 30s guy with multiple lower back herniated discs since college and consequently very (as in ridiculously) weak core strength, weak hips that shift posture significantly sideways (not front/back), and chronic pain/weakness in the hips/lower back/sacro-iliac area? That is to say, for me? For example, it hurts the lower back even to lift a carryon up and stow it above the seat on a plane. I’ve tried the usual range of massage, exercise, stretches, acupuncture, pilates and the like (with a particular goal of strengthening the core and the muscles around there). They… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
4 years ago

@Palma – weight is fine, BMI is fine. Height 5’10”, weight range between 160 lbs (when an exercise rhythm is going well) and 165 lbs (when it is not – a small paunch visible if you look closely or I wear a tight tshirt). I could certainly afford to lose some fat (quite a lot actually – my DEXA scan said body fat percentage about 27%) and add muscle and tone up, but I’m not *overweight*. Not even close. Main problem is the original herniated discs have led to significant weakness and complications and postural issues in the hips/lower back/core/glutes… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“A 10+ paragraph post from KFG??” Including a brain fart. A teaspoon of table sugar is 4 grams and 15 Calories. 15 grams is 3 grams more than a tablespoon, so I’m not sure where ASD’s unit of “15 grams is 1 Carb” comes from. Ah, I see. I comes from the Diabetic Exchange System which uses “servings” of “carb choice.” I haven’t run across that one before. If you don’t take precautions against it you might learn something new every day. “The exchange system does the math for you. Rather than reading labels and calculating carbs, the diabetic exchange… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

It is also likely that the “core of your core” is weak in the lower back. Absent a MedX lumbar machine (which physically restrains the pelvis to isolate the inner lower back muscles) the only exercise that you can do for this is the pelvic tilt. A lack of strength in the inner lower back muscles indicates poor posture…if you just work on your posture, this problem will go away. As an added bonus, both men and women will see you as more dominant. Sit in chairs with a straight back where possible and avoid sitting on cushions and sitting… Read more »

theasdgamer
4 years ago

I’m not sure where ASD’s unit of “15 grams is 1 Carb” comes from.

Mrs. Gamer is diabetic and diabetics use 15 grams of carbs in their dietary planning.

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

“A lack of strength in the inner lower back muscles indicates poor posture…”

More often than not, emo hoodie kids aside, it is the other way around. The poor posture is a compensation for the weak muscles. Strengthen the muscles and posture “corrects itself.”

Avoid sitting in chairs whenever it is reasonable to do so. Chairs need lumbar support because they weaken your lumbar, and the compensatory lumbar support then weakens it even more.

Think turning Japanese.

” . . . diabetics use 15 grams of carbs in their dietary planning.”

Got it.

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago

https://alphajedi.com/2018/07/21/cest-la-vie/
Another good read

theasdgamer
4 years ago

kfg, the point is that if you consciously work on maintaining good posture, your back muscles will be strengthened.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
4 years ago

Thanks kfg. I have all the medical advice and rehab therapy from a range of places to last me for the rest of my life. But I am always looking for new insights and different perspectives on a long-term chronic problem. The key bottleneck seems to be breaking the cycle of getting stronger/getting injured permanently. If I can do that, I can maintain and improve my strength gains, and stronger core and lumbar muscles will lead to improved posture and reduced pain, and more normal day-to-day functional strength (ie, no more struggling to load luggage on a plane) and basically… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Culum My 2 cents. I too have a herniated disc. I’ve had a lot of shit happen to me ( cuts, stabs, burns ) but NOTHING ever compared to the pain of my lower back/sciatic nerve pain. I walked hunched over for 9 months because I didn’t want surgery. My left leg ( hamstring) had gone completely numb, as did the outer left side of my left foot. Stayed like that for almost 10 years. Everything I tried usually only resulted in even more pain. My breakthrough came when out of desperation, I tried an inversion table. I’d seen them… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
4 years ago

Thanks Blax. I’m just googling it now. I may have some followup questions later on. In my case, if I understand the various physiotherapists and the like I’ve spoken to, the actual herniated discs are much better (they never completely heal but are no longer the primary cause of problems). It’s the associated muscular weaknesses and fucked up posture and generally messed up core and bad alignment that really kills me – but I’ll look into whether the table can help with that PS – I have multiple herniated discs and I can sympathize – I know exactly what that… Read more »

kfg
kfg
4 years ago

@Culum:

Look for a facility that has a MedX lumbar machine: http://www.medxonline.com/products/core-spinal-fitness-equipment/lumbar-strength.php

(Designed by Arthur Jones and crew after he gave up Nautilus in disgust over dealing with the bodybuilder community and moved his efforts to physical rehab instead).

One might show up someplace you haven’t thought to look, like in a geriatrics rehab facility. I think that’s where they’re actually most common these days.

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago

Death Nature and Creation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9lGMsTYAk8
Nature as power

Jay Fink
Jay Fink
4 years ago

A lot of you are comparing feminism and MGTOW but I think red pill and feminism have more in common. First of all both feminists and much of the red pill community (not Rollo) have hostility towards beta males. MGTOW is much more accepting of men just the way they are…there is an appeal for that.

SJF
SJF
4 years ago

Beta males are much more accepting of themselves than they oughtta be.

Young men might want to consider that sometimes it might be more important to consider that you might be wrong about things, that you might not want to buffer so much, in the realm of actually Acting on self improvement.

Rather than trying to tell yourself and the world that you are right.

That’s how you improve, move on in the world, and be more effective in the face of uncertainty.

More Anti-Fragile. More powerful. Better.

rugby11
rugby11
4 years ago
theasdgamer
4 years ago

Jay, Red Pill is about the truth about reality and Blue Pill is about fantasy. Are you trying to rationalize your lack of skills as a man? Maybe you are too lazy to work on self-improvement?

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Most young betas just need a swift kick in the ass.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
4 years ago

Thanks Palma that’s a great idea. Hadn’t thought of that. Will look into it.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Culum, do you dance salsa or ballroom or swing?

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
4 years ago

I took some salsa lessons years ago. It was basically like an excuse to have a singles meetup. But other than that, no.

I have no particular interest in dancing, so I don’t actually dance. But I go very often to a Latin dance club which does salsa and other kinds of dance – it’s a great place to find a decent crowd of girls midweek.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

You might try dancing as therapy for your back.

ollieoxenfree1
ollieoxenfree1
4 years ago

Samson and Delilah. A woman who goads Samson into telling her the source of his power under the pretext he didn’t trust her. Then promptly betrays that trust by removing his power and delivering him to his enemies. She was paid handsomely for her treachery. I sometimes wonder if for not what the Philistines did to Samson, would he have forgiven her and lain with Delilah, again, had she concocted a sufficient tale. I find men willing to believe the most implausible things, as long as it comes from the mouth of a woman. I don’t exclude myself from this… Read more »

IAS
IAS
4 years ago

@everyone about the carbs: I wouldn’t even mind eating the same meal (e.g. meat) every single time, but I think that will be bad for something else. Like, just meat allegedly is hard on the kidneys to process all that protein or something. I know @Blax can (correctly) chime in with “Burden!” but given that I’m not that picky in terms of variety of food, I’d really like to be lazy in this so that I apply my energy to other pursuits. Chicken breast and strip steak beef. Lentils and rice. Some fruit (although I guess it is mostly sugar,… Read more »

IAS
IAS
4 years ago

@kfg: also, what is it with the butter love? It is almost 100% fat (not worried about cow estrogens in the fat btw?)

theasdgamer
4 years ago

If you eat the same food every day, bad things will happen…your intestinal bacteria will adjust to it and the variety of beneficial bacteria will shrink.

Eat a variety of food, including fresh vegetables (and some frozen is Ok). Some fruits are better than processed carbs. I’m not keen on bananas, although I enjoy the taste.

ericlauder
ericlauder
4 years ago

@Jay Fink A good thing about MGTOW is that the philosophy realize that being Alpha and Beta is mostly about how a woman perceive a man, so it may vary through time and in different situations – in example if you spent a night without sleeping due [insert some problem]: the next day you have to work and spend the whole day without having the chance to sleep – such day you’re very likely to be perceived as “Beta” by most women who don’t know you, and that’s gonna happening regardless your usual character/attitude/socialization skills. The opposite may happen, too:… Read more »

dysgenic
dysgenic
4 years ago

There is a popular opinion that seems to be circulating this blog that alpha is an effective hedge against the risks of modern day sex, marriage, and Fatherhood. It’s not. Maybe- just maybe- the alphas of the alphas can make that claim, or certain rich men, but most of us have no real power (as defined by Rollo) against the family court junta, or the criminal court junta, the police state, et al…. Someone else referenced soft power vs. hard power and I think the comparison worked. For myself, according to Roissy’s scale I’m a lesser alpha. But the truth… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

“Let’s not be naive, gentlemen. The real power, when push comes to shove, is in that FI courtroom with an army of men with guns willing to do its bidding.”

Lol… If you choose to find yourself there in court… Sure. Else… Look around friend. Alpha guys are no where near court and dgaf…

It’s the beta in you that puts you there. Cause “rules” need following.

Sentient
Sentient
4 years ago

TLDR – having zero is a “fuck you” position.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

” ….but most of us have no real power …”

I think I’ve identified a massive problem.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

” But by the grace of God He’s brought be out and I’m remarried with a wonderful family. But let me tell you, if for some reason it doesn’t work out, the day I find myself alone is the day that I go MGTOW. With absolutely no other end game other than self preservation.”

Please define ” work out “. How is ” it ” supposed to ” work out “?

I have no issue with a man having an escape plan, but escape is Plan B.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Cool Hand Luke.

Power.

Beaten, Imprisoned, humiliated, tortured.

Still powerful.

Maybe we need to better define ” winning ” because people conflate power with a narrow definition of winning.

Just a thought.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

when push comes to shove

“There’s many a slip twixt the cup and the lip.”

The name of the game is wiggling…dodging cops temporarily if you need to…dodging process servers temporarily if you need to…it’s like wrestling when you’re on your back and trying to avoid a pin…because everybody fucks up and sometimes you need to buy time for your plans to work and give the opponent a chance to fuck up…lawyers fuck up…judges fuck up…cops fuck up.

Game always works, assuming you aren’t dying. Some of these young studs don’t have enough experience for some reason.

Blaximus
Blaximus
4 years ago

Got a lot of experience with cops now, pray tell?

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Lol. Blax, I have a little. Worked with cops doing crowd control at a venue a few times. We chatted. I ate dinner with an FBI agent and his wife last night.

anon
anon
4 years ago

“I ate dinner with an FBI agent and his wife last night.”

Did you ask him whose been leaking information to the press? 😆

theasdgamer
4 years ago

@anon

He didn’t like the Obama-appointed higher ups and said that no one he knew did either.

therealdeal
therealdeal
4 years ago

“This is where militant MGTOWs and Black Pill nihilists show their colors. Most will say it’s because they want control or some parasitic association with a powerful man to further their own ends.” Nope. That’s not what I said. “From an evolutionary perspective, what these guys think is “power” is really just social dominance, preselection and a good physique. That’s why they’re obsessed with the “Chad” archetype that bullied them in high school.” Never said this either. Bullies generally avoided me in school. Those of us who “just get it”, know that power IS THE MOST IMPORTANT thing. But never… Read more »

Orson
Orson
4 years ago

Human beings have the beta in their DNA. As a species we have been mostly beta and never apex alphas in the grand chessboard of nature! The strongest of the alpha men could be eaten for breakfast by a lion, tiger, bear etc. He would reverse to beta mode and use his intellect to make up for his apparent lack of strength when confronted with apex predators. In my opinion we have predisposition for beta!

therealdeal
therealdeal
4 years ago

Orson:

“ He would reverse to beta mode and use his intellect to make up for his apparent lack of strength when confronted with apex predators. In my opinion we have predisposition for beta!”

Using intellect over brute force for self defense is Alpha.

anon
anon
4 years ago

“He didn’t like the Obama-appointed higher ups and said that no one he knew did either.”

Not even Comey? I’d thought he was well respected.
At any rate, sounds kind of like the military.
Best leadership (especially Sec of Defense, Sec of USAF and Chief of Staff USAF goes) I’ve seen in a long, long while (predating also the Bush junior years when they had Dumsfeld).

anon
anon
4 years ago

The nadir was Ash Carter and Deborah Lee James.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

kick the troll

Orson
Orson
4 years ago

therealdeal:

That’s a bit feminine definition of alpha similar to women who have evolved psychological violence to cope with her lack of physical strength.
Also the beta males can use their given capacity for intellect to dethrone the alphas …in a similar way that our alpha ancestors used it to deal with the brute force of predators.
Must have been very embarrassing for our ape alpha ancestor bullying the beta apes up in the trees for a moment and the next being completely destroyed by a leopard on the ground in front of his harem.

theasdgamer
4 years ago

Orson, you have no clue how alphas operate. Alphas use intelligence to control the betas and use the betas to bully the gammas and omegas. Alphas use violence occasionally and tactically, but mostly alphas control betas by social means. Violence is used to demonstrate value to betas so that the betas will submit to the alpha.

anon
anon
4 years ago

” Take away the Vampires and Werewolves – the metaphysical component – from the Twilight series and what you’re left with is a relatively bland romance novel. Add the otherworldly and you have a runaway hit popular with every female age demographic, from tweens to octogenarians.” Kind of interesting the whole vampire/werewolf phenomenon in “romance” “literature” from my observation. Twilight isn’t as obvious a representation as True Blood (the series). The original “alpha” vampire had to be replaced with a new “alpha” vampire as soon as he lost his power (by supplicating to the female character). The new “alpha” then… Read more »

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