The Nature of the Game

I had a reader ask me some questions recently and in answering it gave me some food for thought.

Are we stuck in our Alpha fucks/Beta cucks categories? Should we attempt to blend the two categories into the ultimate hybrid?

Or is there nothing we can do, but attempt to use the information that you have (brilliantly) given us as a navigational tool to find our way through this world and godspeed to every fellow?

Before this I came across these Tweets from Rian Stone:

I think a lot of guys new to Red Pill awareness tend to apply qualifiers to the ideas of what is Alpha and what is Beta. In a similar respect a lot of plugged-in Blue Pill conditioned ‘Beta’ men like to make similar qualifications, but their understanding is rooted in what their conditioning has convinced them of. For the newly unplugged guy, Alpha is whatever he hadn’t been doing before with women that is now working for him once he flipped his own script. For the plugged in guy, whatever he’s been convinced of that women say they want is ‘Alpha’ to him – and usually that means whatever benefits a woman’s sexual strategy in terms of long term provisioning, parental investment and security. They just don’t realize their own utility to women in that game.

That said, I don’t disagree with Rian here. Over the course of fifteen years and three books I have made every effort to correct critics who insist that “all those Red Pill guys think Alpha men are Silverback Gorillas or Wolves.” Roissy once called this Etymology Hate:

5. Etymology Hate

Hater: Your definition of an alpha male is false. In the animal kingdom, the alpha male is leader of the pack, not a cad/badboy/jerk who pumps and dumps women.

Isn’t it just like a nerd to get hysterical over the appropriation of a narrow-sense scientific term to conveniently illustrate broader truths about men and women.

These “broader truths” are why I still use Alpha and Beta as descriptions for men and their mindsets. Critics and disingenuous haters like to think that even considering men or behavior sets as being Alpha or Beta is cause for dismissing whatever is being said. There’s a reason for this blanket disqualification which I’ll cover in a moment, but what they (willfully) misunderstand is that these classification are abstractions for bigger ideas. Alpha and Beta are placeholder terms necessary to consider more complex ideas in intersexual dynamics. For the most part, when I hear or read Blue Pill conditioned men mock the idea of Alpha men and insist that it’s a direct derivative of believing those ‘idiot Red Pill guys thinking they’re Alpha wolves or Silverback gorillas’ I know that I’m not dealing with a serious debate. More on this later.

Rian is also correct in his observation that both Red Pill aware men and critics alike tend to think of Alpha and Beta as specific archetypes of men. I’ve written almost a dozen essays about the nature of Alpha, but in each one I make an attempt to dispel the archetype of what an Alpha or a Beta man is. The Beta archetype is easy to agree on because almost no guy wants to be a “beta male”. As would be expected we tend to think of betas as the stereotypical ‘cuck’ or ‘soy boy’, or the Nümale with his fear grimace agape.

I should point out that even the guys who we would categorize as Betas don’t think they are. Very few Beta men look in the mirror and go “damn, I gotta Alpha up”. They believe that they are the vanguard of the new definition of Alpha; that they and women have evolved beyond the visceral realities of Hypergamy and Beta is the new Alpha. Recently there’s been a concerted social effort to redefine what is acceptable masculinity in the wake of the narrative shift that would have us accept that all masculinity is toxic.

For men there will always be a want to believe that whatever qualities make up their own personality and their own lifestyle is what should define what is “alpha”. From Alpha:

Guy’s like Corey [Worthington] infuriate men who have invested their self-worth in the accomplishments of what they think ought to be universally appreciated and rewarded. So when they’re confronted with a natural Alpha being undeservedly rewarded for brazenly acting out of accord with what they think the rules ought to be, they seethe with resentment. The natural response in the face of such an inconsistency is to redefine the term ‘Alpha’ to cater to themselves and their accomplishments as “real men” and exclude the perpetrator. The conflict then comes from seeing his new definition of Alpha not being rewarded or even appreciated as well as a natural Alpha attitude and the cycle continues. Your respect (or anyone else’s) for an Alpha has nothing to do with whether or not he possess an Alpha mindset. 3 failed marriages and 100+ lays has nothing to do with his having or not having an Alpha mindset.

In the same way that a Blue Pill conditioned “beta male” believes he best represents the new “alpha” definition, so to do a lot of Red Pill aware men who play the same game of applying their own traits to what should be considered or appreciated as “alpha”. Nowhere is this more apparent than in Trad-Con circles – an Alpha is a guy who takes care of his family and is respected as the head of the home. He takes care of his duties to family, God and country, etc., etc. Really all this is is another grab at affirmation of personal worth. Blue Pill “betas” believe exactly the same self-fulfilling thing from a different set of ideological beliefs.

In the process both the plugged-in and the unplugged create convenient archetypes for the opposite of the apex they want to believe they are and what they hope will be confirmed and rewarded. Usually these are binary caricatures: the Alpha ‘Chad’ is usually whatever image of the popular high school jock that used to be their nemesis fits, while the Beta ‘doormat’ is the George McFly character whose introversion and lack of social intelligence places him at the bottom of the dominance hierarchy. Either one of these guys can be seen in a positive or negative light depending on the perspective of who’s doing the viewing. To the Nümale, whatever that classic Beta does should be what’s appreciated as ‘alpha’ and to the Trad-Con an Alpha is the guy who dominates, but only insofar as he sticks to what they think is his ‘duty’.

Funny how both tend think the Alpha Playah, the self-important ‘Cad’ who women tingle for, who follows his own sexual strategy shouldn’t be considered ‘Alpha’ in spite of women consistently, predictably rewarding him with sex and genuine desire.  Rian nailed this part; Alpha makes her wet, Beta makes her secure. Our Instinctual interpretive process understands the visceral reasons why women get worked up for that physically ideal guy who also completes the fantasy of the Alpha Fucks side of Hypergamy. But our Emotional and Rational processes want to recreate a reality in which what we have is what women really want. So we try to persuade and convince women to act against their own Instinctual interpretive process with respect to what they should find sexy and genuinely desirable – us, just as we are. We want to change the Game to fit our capacity, our skill, our genetics, to excel in it.

Beta men don’t just hope that women will perceive their own redefinitions of ‘alpha’ as the accepted ideal, they build lives and systems of belief around convincing others and themselves that we’ve evolved past the visceral realities of what arouses women. Trad-Con men, even Red Pill aware men, do something similar – they hope that their own definition of what should constitute Alpha, and best describes themselves, will likewise supersede the natural evolved impulse of what a woman’s hindbrain perceives as an ideal Hypergamous opportunity.

Alpha Seed, Beta Need

T-rex doesn’t want to be fed; he wants to hunt. You can’t just suppress sixty-five million years of gut instinct. – Dr. Grant, Jurassic Park

Hypergamy wants what Hypergamy wants, but it’s also important to remember that Hypergamy has two sides; Alpha Seed and Beta Need. When we look at the dynamic of Ovulatory Shift we see this play out. In a woman’s proliferative phase of her menstrual cycle she is predisposed to seek out sexual opportunities with high SMV, masculinized, dominant (to the point of arrogance) men. In her luteal phase she seeks comfort, rapport, security and protection qualities in men. Alpha Seed, Beta Need. As Rian pointed out, we’ve made archetypes (and caricatures) of the type of guy who embodies these needs, but we do so to persuade a woman’s evolved Instinctive understanding of what they are. Women’s hindbrains want to hunt for Hypergamous opportunity, men’s rational (and emotional) process wants to ‘feed’ Hypergamy by redefining what that Instinct should want.

Where both Nümales, Trad-Cons and more than a few Red Pill aware men get it wrong is believing that the security Beta represents should also be what gets her wet. We live in a day and age where men are so feminized that 80%+ default to ‘beta’ behaviors and mindsets because they believe it’s what arouses women. I’ve also written many essays about how anxiety, urgency and (sexual) tension are necessary factors in the ‘enthusiastic’ sex women have with men they genuinely desire. When it comes to comforting a woman, rapport, honesty, emotional investment and security the Beta men of today have been acculturated to have it all in spades. Where they fall short is the Alpha capacity to generate tingles based on making women uncomfortable. One reason men have a tough time with Red Pill awareness is because it all seems so counterintuitive to everything they’ve ever been conditioned to believe about women and sex and how to initiate it.

If you read Roissy’s old categories of Beta to Alpha it follows a predictable pattern. The same applies to Vox Day’s socio-sexual hierarchies (Omega, Gamma, Sigma, Delta, Beta, Alpha, etc), but what we’re really defining in these ranking is a male dominance hierarchy as it applies to women’s sexual selection process – Alpha seed, Beta need – and according to any individual woman’s capacity to demand any particular rank of man.

To answer the first question I began with here, I don’t think the “categories” ever really end because dominance hierarchies are something innate to our world. So, rather than think we can change this, change the nature of reality as equalism attempts to, I think men ought to learn to play it better. The nature of the game doesn’t change. In fact, the equalist mindset that wants to change it ends up making those who accept it and play it well appear that much more exceptional. 

Why? Because the game doesn’t change and our hindbrains know this. So when we see a man who is a “good player” of the game we evolved to play, who became so in spite of all the foolish efforts to change the game to better fit those who don’t play it well, our instincts are attracted to that person that much more. In other words the guy who Just Gets It is even more attractive in a world that women’s hindbrains know is trying to convince her that he shouldn’t just get it. This is why even the most staunch, egalitarian equalist feminist of women still adore a conventionally masculine man who looks and plays the natural role of Alpha man well. They still want to bang him, they still want to submit to him in spite of their ego investments. And they’ll coyly, shamefully, but without any self-consciousness admit they love being loved, fucked, protected, secured, etc. by that guy.

As an adaptation to increase the likelihood of reproduction men and women seek to change the Game that we’ve been playing for 100,000 years now. Only in our age of “gender enlightenment” are we so deluded as to think that prioritizing our emotion or reason above the realities our evolved instinct is spelling out for us might be a way to get intimate and reproduce. Women want to change men’s evolved sexual natures – via social constructionism, feminism, feminine-primacy – in order to reproduce with men they would naturally never have a chance breeding or pairing with, and without any burden of their own performance or merit. They want to change the Game to suit their deficits in playing it the way it is.

Similarly, men seek to improve their own reproductive success by also redefining the terms of the Game to also breed and pair (mostly breed) with women that their own Burden of Performance would merit them. This is why transvaluation (vulnerability is strength, etc.) features so prominently in this mindset. It is an effort in achieving reproductive success and intimacy without excelling in a man’s performance burden. This is precisely why Blue Pill men insist on defining Alpha and Beta in as literal a sense as possible. By rejecting and mocking these terms it self-reinforces the misbelief that they, and ‘quality’ women, have evolved beyond the visceral aspects of Hypergamy. By denying the realities of Alpha and Beta aspects in men the belief is it sets them apart from any natural dominance hierarchy. They’re “above all that”, “women (at least the ‘quality’ ones) are rational agents too and above their own Hypergamous impulses” and “people are all unique individuals set apart from all that human nature stuff.” Each of these rationales is linked to a core misbelief in blank-slate equalism (I’ll address in another essay), but they are also representative of an effort to remove these men from a natural dominance hierarchy and place them into a new Game they believe women are also playing and in which they, by default, are at the highest degree by virtue of having progressed beyond the old Game.

 

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Not Born This Morning
3 years ago

What women say… “A Letter to My Ex-Husband on Father’s Day Katie Smith 1 day ago While we both know we don’t belong together any longer, there was a time when we did. Back then, all I could see was you, our future, lots of children and a house in the country. I got all of that — we got all of that — and then some. Then, our marriage fell to pieces and broke us both wide open. But the love we had, the kids we had, the life we had will forever be a part of us. When… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
3 years ago
Robert What?
Robert What?
3 years ago

Reading what you write about everyone hating on and mocking incels – guys who have nothing – I can’t but think of Matthew 13:12.

rugby11
rugby11
3 years ago
Pinelero
Pinelero
3 years ago

16 June is the day before Fathers Day (USA). The day before Fathers Day is Fatherless Day. On Fatherless Day we recognize the struggles, emotional pain, and financial hardship that men face, which our misandrist divorce lawyer/family court system have imposed on innocent fathers.

The Solitary Silver FoX
The Solitary Silver FoX
3 years ago

“Seventy-one percent of married women want their husbands to provide them with a sense of financial security, while 87 per cent of married men expect to provide financial security for their family. These expectations quite clearly explain why in so many partnerships men take the reins when it comes to money…”

No surprises here, but a whole of women are going to get a serious reality check as they grow old alone with their cats…

https://www.theage.com.au/money/investing/more-women-will-end-up-alone-and-managing-their-money-by-themselves-20180614-p4zlfy.html

The Solitary Silver FoX
The Solitary Silver FoX
3 years ago

Rising clarinet star’s ex-girlfriend must pay $375,000 for trying to sabotage his career.

And in Canada, of all places, the chick has to pay her ex (male) for being a despicable bitch…

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/15/clarinet-player-eric-abramovitz-girlfriend-fake-rejection-letter

The Solitary Silver FoX
The Solitary Silver FoX
3 years ago

“In 2014, Abramovitz and Lee met at McGill’s Schulich School of Music in Montreal, where the two students formed a romantic relationship. Abramovitz soon moved in with Lee, and trusted her with the password to his email account, according to court documents…”

Beta is as beta does…

rpsp_2
rpsp_2
3 years ago

@Wild Man “There is talk, talk, talk and endlessly more talk here, about what the magic alpha dust actually is – but it always remains just out of reach as to actually identifying in more focused terms, what it actually is. What is endlessly paraded here and in the rest of the sphere, as an answer to that question – is ……. ‘well, It is sorta like this, and it is sorta like that. On the other hand it is definitely not this other thing, until it is, in some respects and some circumstances’. Not really the hallmarks of a… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Sexual strategy/understanding is not ever the same as pedestalizing any pussy. 2 completely different things.

I don’t think many men that made a habit of routinely pedestalizing pussy/women can ever shake that habit, pill color aside. They don’t even realize they’re doing it, even when it’s pointed out to them.

Ajax Parallax
Ajax Parallax
3 years ago

@ Blaximus wrote “I don’t think many men that made a habit of routinely pedestalizing pussy/women can ever shake that habit, pill color aside. They don’t even realize they’re doing it, even when it’s pointed out to them.” This. The fact that there is a whole revenue stream continuing to suck $$ from men’s wallets is proof. It’s when otherwise valuable males stoop to pedestalization that it grinds my gears. I view this no differently than I would view a gaggle of women in a femme-centric RSD paying a lot of money to land that o so perfect BB in… Read more »

rpsp_2
rpsp_2
3 years ago

@Blaximus

“The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.”

This is of course pedestalizing the pussy. An entire forum devoted to it.

And the mere mention of male “positive identity” reeks of hero-worship. Positive masculinity (all good men)? To save the world? For the good of mankind? Red Alert: *** BETA *** *** BETA *** *** BETA ***

If getting laid is the the primary goal, then that makes you beta. No ifs ands or buts.

rpsp_2
rpsp_2
3 years ago

@SJF “A pretty man came to me Never seen eyes so blue I could not run away It seemed we’d seen each other in a dream It seemed like he knew me — Magic Man, by Heart NOW you know all about how the female mind works!” Wrong. Even you don’t get it. That women is simply conforming to the so called feminine imperative. She is telling beta men what they want to hear and that all women sing along and parrot the lie. Isn’t it Rollo who acknowledged that women don’t love men the same way men love them?… Read more »

kobayashii1681
3 years ago

Don’t wish it was easier…be better.

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

“No surprises here, but a whole of women are going to get a serious reality check as they grow old alone with their cats…”

Women are not good with cause and effect. The few I’ve seen make this realization it was decades after they exited the sexual market.

7
7
3 years ago

You can’t be alpha if you’re in a relationship with a woman. Cardinal rule of relationships You can only be alpha if you genuinely don’t give a fuck about her If you care even a little bit you’ll start caring what she thinks Youll convince yourself that she’s different The only way to be free is to genuinely don’t give a fuck about her at all They’re sociopathic monsters You don’t owe them a thing There’s some talk about alpha and beta combination But it’s useless By definition if you care about her you’re beta Youll include her in your… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

7 That’s the kind of talk that most men don’t need to hear because 1) it’s false 2) it displays a lack of understanding women’s nature, expecting them to be men with tits. They never were at any time. If I said ” I was almost killed in a car accident while driving a Lamborghini in the rain at 150 mph, so let me tell you that all really fast cars are deadly and impossible to drive and will kill you dead if you’re foolish enough to get behind the wheel of one “, the incorrectness of that statement should… Read more »

mersonia
3 years ago

@blax

only read the first paragraph but

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7
7
3 years ago

Blaximus

Taking into account War Brides (on event before the FI was a thing), solupisms, manipulation and the tendency to sociopathically discard men who aren’t useful to the woman in question anymore (great according to Laws of Power btw) what is your suggestion ?

boulderhead
3 years ago

7

Male opportunists should avoid relationships with the opposite sex.

SJF
SJF
3 years ago

rpsp_2 You must be new here to the manosphere. Welcome. My comment on June 12, 2018 at 12:18 pm was specifically meant to respond to Wild Man’s statement that he wants to have a circle jerk more specifically nail down what ALPHA means because he’s tripping over himself to define the praxeology of Red Pill for him and his circumstances (which are narrow focused). It was a quote from a book Chapter that was proto red pill to address what could be Alpha. Alpha in Red Pill worlds are a placeholder and may or may not be different in different… Read more »

boulderhead
3 years ago

The J. Geils Band You love her But she loves him And he loves somebody else You just can’t win And so it goes Till the day you die This thing they call love It’s gonna make you cry I’ve had the blues The reds and the pinks One thing for sure Love stinks yeah yeah (Love stinks) Love stinks yeah yeah Love stinks yeah yeah (Love stinks) Love stinks yeah yeah Two by two and side by side Love’s gonna find you yes it is You just can’t hide You’ll hear it call Your heart will fall Then love… Read more »

O.B.I.T.
O.B.I.T.
3 years ago

Thinking about my late and great dad — and how he might have made an interesting case history for TRM … Highly accomplished, widely loved and respected, DPA as it gets, at home behind the wheel on land, sea and air. Had the knack for dealing with people in general, but not women in particular. Spun some very nice plates but his LTRs and marriages were frustrating at best, or just disastrous. A leader among men but blue-pill, chivalrous, accommodating and pedestalizing with women. He’d understand on some level that his meticulous practicality and common sense was getting lost in… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
3 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWZN8_Hok44

really good listen

rpsp_2
rpsp_2
3 years ago

@SJF “You must be new here to the manosphere. Welcome.” Nope. “Alpha in Red Pill worlds are a placeholder and may or may not be different in different contexts–e.g. Single Man PUA, OMG or LTR relationship game.” Utter nonsense. “It’s not all different but it may be contextual and domain dependent at times. Your mileage may vary. One size may not fit all.” Still wrong. “Alpha Attitude will vary with ones goals and domain.” Not at all. You’re speaking from a female’s disposition, almost entirely now. You don’t get it. “And one pro tip: Rather than come here unannounced with… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

7 My suggestion is as it has been for years. War brides aside ( I think lots of men who read that got just a little too shook ) the nature, generally speaking, or all females has not changed. Since this is the case, the same mechanisms that kept them from going off their proverbial rockers, still work when applied. Foremost is * say it with me * pure masculinity. Imo, a great deal of ” answers ” are right here encased in this very blog, if men would put aside bruised egos and hurt feelz and take the full… Read more »

j
j
3 years ago

“just not worth anything besides sex?” nah. cause they have the power to do this: https://twitter.com/westland_will/status/1008161753279021057 “She said Hardwick would not let her befriend other men unless they worked together, would not let her drink since he was sober and would not let her speak to him at times in public places (lol). He controlled many aspects of her social life, she said, and isolated her from her friends.” Just good ole’ pure masculinity shit, right? but slut wanna slut yo “eat pray love” culture “nothing has changed guise” trust me you just need “pure masculinity” and nothing bad will… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

The crux of the problem is twofold, the way I’ve been seeing it in the sphere – 1) guys have a very odd definition of ” masculinity “. It’s becoming an unknown quantity. 2) guys grasp onto every stupid fuckery some women engage in as further proof as to how fucked up everything and all women are, and use it as an excuse. No excuse is acceptable. No butter is correct. Pointing to what some dipshit said or did on fb or Twitter is a non started insofar as a MAN understanding the nature of women, really understanding, not pointing… Read more »

j
j
3 years ago

– Did a little bit of digging, and discovered that they actually broke up 4 years ago and NOW for whatever reason (I’m sure it has nothing to do with the current hottest trending # of the year!) decided to come out with these allegations. And on the week of Father’s day. The absolute psychopath.

j
j
3 years ago

@blax Aight so tell @Rollo to stop with tweeting gossipy sensationalist bullshit then. Everything is fine, guys. All that shit is just odd outliers. The Feminine Imperative isn’t real. Just be manly. DPA – do whatever you want. (between you and me – I don’t really give a shit lol. None of this shit means anything to me cause I don’t want a LTR in the first place). YaReally’s conversation with Rollo in 2016: “We’ve passed the point where men can do the things they need to do to bring order back to the system, because those things are now… Read more »

j
j
3 years ago

one of the main reasons Ya left, was because he was scared (buffear yo!) after a certain OMG got all emotional like a woman and threatened to dox him, just cause that certain OMG couldn’t stand being wrong (I’ll show him!!”)

rugby11
rugby11
3 years ago

Sex Art and Culture

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

“Men waited too long. Hitler needed to be killed when he was a baby, once he was in power it was significantly riskier.”

And so the only thing left to do was appease.

theasdgamer
3 years ago

But the reality is “unapologetically correcting women” equals losing your career,

spin plates…keep your resume current…have interviews lined up…zfg with current job just like with girls

… having your name slandered,

as Blax says, “man the FUCK up”

losing access to your kids, losing assets/resources,

no more than anyone else

social ostracization,

see Blax

losing access to potential NEW partners,

yeah, cause pussy ain’t a commodity item

and even potential jail time in [2018].

no more than anyone else

NB

If you’re gonna Next a girl, don’t scorn her. Do it gently and don’t bruise her ego. Pro Tip.

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

We’ll have none of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Okt_YrKPdw

Or this:

http://www.history.org/almanack/life/politics/giveme.cfm

It’s too risky. Some man might loose his job, or break a nail, and all that toxic masculinity will definitely upset the women folk which is simply out of the question.

Come on you bastards, don’t you want to live forever?

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

@j Re-read what I said. I’m talking bout ( …practice…h/t Allen Iverson) men, not ltr’s. Ya kept going off into the weeds on that one track he loved to travel on. Playing the ” convince me of something I don’t believe in and will never cede ground on ” game. I got on him because he was getting ridiculous with his drumbeating messaging to ” teh newbs ” about fearing the power of women to destroy their lives, and only trying to gain enough understanding of females in order to fuck them . The rest of his message was fear… Read more »

mersonia
3 years ago

@Blax

Alot of people won’t get the one of the main issues with younger guys is that they want to be women.

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Our fem primary system is setting the feminine as the goal for everyone.

So men engage in feminine behaviors and thought patterns without even recognizing that that’s what they are doing – because it’s so normal. Act like women while calling yourself a man, or not because gender identity is whatever you want it to be and the whole ” male/female ” thing is sooo outdated and old school.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
3 years ago

Blax, A lot of young men I meet are polite young men and the women are encouraged not to be polite young women. The women sense internal dissonance with this expected masculine burden of performance. Huge increases in female depression and neuroticisms and dissatisfaction originate here. These are the same frustrations that guys complain about as you-go-girl empowerment. Boys, my boys, are lectured in school early on and repeatedly re: the legal, moral and social penalizing ramifications of masculine intersexual assertiveness. That same old school man up you talked about. Shut up AND man up are all they hear formally.… Read more »

SJF
SJF
3 years ago

A lot of men won’t get that a lot of women these days want to become masculine in the face of imploring boys to not have “unhinged masculinity” and “toxic masculinity”. It’s a ploy for one sex (as in gender) to have more power over the other. It’s psychological projection used by women. It’s the women that are exhibiting feminist unhinged masculinity and toxic masculinity, while accusing the boys/young men of doing that.

The Red Pill and Game should and does instruct on what to do about that. That’s why the Manosphere was invented.

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

Yareally had his tantrum and left because he is a gamma and can’t stand not being thought right.

He also hated masculinity.

Mersonia is spot on…

Pinelero
Pinelero
3 years ago

“When men no longer understand that they must stand and fight at some point,… Well…..Like I tell the young men I counsel, ” then you will deserve every mistreatment you get “..” Part of this is knowing when to stand up and fight. It’s not like the FI puts on a uniform and declares war – it’s not that overt. Blue pill fantasy propaganda doesn’t serve a mans interest well at all in preparing him for his struggles. Before RP I never knew what a shit test was. I was in a struggle for frame and didn’t even know I… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

rpsp_2 – says that that Alpha (as the quality that women are normatively sexually selecting for) is about ‘power’. Can we all agree on that? I agree. Look at other species whereby there is at least a modicum of tournament style sexual selection observed (along the tournament-species/pair-bonding-species gradient), which of course includes humanity. What is the common element in this respect, among all these species? It’s all about male power in one form or the other – yes? OK – if we can at least agree that Alpha (as the quality that women are normatively sexually selecting for) is about… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

[rpsp_2 – says that that Alpha (as the quality that women are normatively sexually selecting for) is about ‘power’.]

“Can we all agree on that? “

No.

So the rest doesn’t matter.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
3 years ago

“superior resource extraction territory.”

Said no one ever.

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

Sentient – look buddy, I expect a bit better of you than say the likes of Eh and SJF, who are disagreeable, without saying exactly why, and then sorta talk-up the disagreeableness (going on and on about how disagreeable they are, feelz-wise, just how much ‘different’ they are than me and all that), preening-like (which I find very aggravating a pretty much pussy-like …… that’s what women do – which I am sure you have noticed about women). Now Sentient – you don’t do the preening shit over disagreeing, but nevertheless …. the clear pattern shown by you is that… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

Have you even thought at all about why you would even agree with that? How do you explain all the women with the powerless, for starters?

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“How do you explain all the women with the powerless, for starters?”

Thank-you for engaging. I’m not sure what you mean by ‘powerless’ in that sentence. Which parties are you implying this ‘powerlessness’ applies too?

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“is why you’re in the state you are”

Rollo – I’m missing something here. What do you know about rpsp-2 that the rest of us don’t? You know him from another website or something? How do you know what state he is in? What state do you think that is? Not getting your comment.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
3 years ago
Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

Rollo – by your background knowledge in evolutionary psychology – you do agree that human females are sexually selecting for something – yes? (I’m of the impression you agree but I just want to be sure so as to understand better where you are coming from, on your conclusion that seeing sexual selection in terms of selecting for masculine power leads to the binary extreme you are pointing out). OK – if you agree that human females are sexually selecting for something, and it is highly likely that that ‘something’ is something like ‘power’, like other species, …. why does… Read more »

SJF
SJF
3 years ago

Wild Man

“…Eh and SJF, who are disagreeable, without saying exactly why”

We all know what is going on here. That is why it goes without saying.

You don’t accept Red Pill. You bloviate about coming up with a paradigm/ideology/script/praxeology (I can’t tell) and are all about egalitarian equalism with is diametrically opposed to Red Pill. Totally obvious to everyone but you.

I’m disagreeable because you are wasting bandwidth. Stop wasting our time figuring out your philosophy at our expense.

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“Thus, even discussing or parsing out what makes for intersexual dynamics, discussing women’s natures is equated with “pussy-begging”. You thought about Alpha Fucks or Beta Bucks? You’re a pussy-beggar because you only want to know how better to give away your power.” No I don’t think discussing or parsing what makes for intersexual dynamics is ‘pussy-begging’. That of course is a ludicrous idea, that ‘pussy-begging’ would be defined that way. But ….. the key is…… understand, but don’t care too much about it. Because as a man, that is not your role to care about that. This differentiation between ‘understanding’… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
3 years ago

As much as TRM is right, it’s an observation, IMO the most complete observation of the intersexual dynamic, but not the whole dynamic. Examples: Morality is to God as science is to nature. Just observations, not the whole story. While we don’t understand the complete dynamic at all times, it’s not necessary to do so and frankly is dangerous when people try to. That’s WHOLLY different than incels and rpsp_2 and Wildman types beatifying their necessities as they’ve no other options. TRM explains what works and I’ll stick with that. Stop doing what doesn’t work. And for all that’s Holy… Read more »

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

“I think you and I are mostly on the same page Rollo – seems to me this rpsp-2 is as well (at least by way of his comments so far).”

Jeeeeeeeeezus.

theasdgamer
3 years ago

sometime, somewhere, a wheel is spinning furiously, impelled by a tiny rodent

Daughter Gamer invited me to go with her, son in law, and Mrs. Gamer to her Ob appointment. I declined. I had my own shit to do. They affirmed that they would bring me lunch. I fixed my own lunch. They didn’t bring back lunch, I was not upset, and I did not go hungry.

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

kfg – you are a pretty smart guy. Consider this: Rollo: “Are women attracted to power? Absolutely.” rpsep-2: “What motivates a woman in every which way is power.” Wild Man: “rpsp_2 – says that that Alpha (as the quality that women are normatively sexually selecting for) is about ‘power’. Can we all agree on that? I agree.” Rollo: “Women should only ever be a complement to a man’s life, never the focus of it. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority. – Roissy” rpsp-2: “Here is the schizophrenic nature of it: “don’t pedestalize the pussy”, but on… Read more »

theasdgamer
3 years ago

Fallacy of Division, Wild Bull Hiccup. Just because one aspect of Alpha is power, doesn’t mean that all aspects of alpha are about power.

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

Eh – I really shouldn’t engage, but …. that last comment of yours, shows just how much you are reaching now, and willing to say almost anything as an weak attempt to maintain your own sense of righteous indignation. You say: “While we don’t understand the complete dynamic at all times, it’s not necessary to do so and frankly is dangerous when people try to. ….. That’s WHOLLY different than incels and rpsp_2 and Wildman types beatifying their necessities as they’ve no other options.” Those two statements are completely unrelated. If there is an intended link there, in your thinking,… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“Fallacy of Division, Wild Bull Hiccup. Just because one aspect of Alpha is power, doesn’t mean that all aspects of alpha are about power.”

What are the other aspects?

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
3 years ago

@wild man

Losing your contempt for power is another aspect of it.

theasdgamer
3 years ago

First, you define “power.”

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago
Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

Yollo – yes. Good point. Nuanced point. It’s like – how are you gonna embrace your place, as a man, in the sexual selection dynamic, and try for Alpha, by way of accruing power (your mission), if you have contempt for power? No … you should more-so be a lover of power. I think where the controversy within redpill comes into it though is the great diversity of opinion as to what alpha power (or let’s say ‘the power associated with the abstract ‘territory’ that human alpha holds’) actually is. So here is what we have: Bluepill type 1 =… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago
Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

…. wtf is up with wordpress?

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“First, you define “power.”

The common definitions will suffice for now:

1) the ability to do something or act in a particular way, especially as a faculty or quality.
“the power of speech”. synonyms: ability, capacity, capability, potential, faculty, competence
“the power of speech”. antonyms: inability

2) the capacity or ability to direct or influence the behavior of others or the course of events.

theasdgamer
3 years ago

Betas have the power of speech. Also the power of movement. A considerable number of them have financial power.

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

yes – but betas don’t possess the critical power associated with having a good grasp of the nature of the intersexual dynamic. That is a prerequisite of alpha power, like I spelled out above. Without it, you don’t have much capacity or ability to direct or influence the behavior of others or the course of events (as compared to those with such redpill understanding, all other variables otherwise held constant).

theasdgamer
3 years ago

Lots of naturals don’t understand the sexual dynamic either, but they are alphas.

j
j
3 years ago

“the capacity or ability to direct or influence the behavior of others or the course of events.”

So….Game? Are you saying women are attracted to men with game? Whoa!!!

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

Naturals, by and large, do understand the intersexual dynamic (at least the opening layers of it). However I suppose there may also be some so-called naturals that don’t, have instead hit upon a particular behavioral mode the always produces the same desired cause => effect most of the time, at least in the short term, at least with some women, if the desire is ‘sex with women’ … then perhaps they continue to find enough women that respond to that particular mode of behavior, in the short term …. and then probably it’s rinse and repeat, which may also be… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

“So….Game? Are you saying women are attracted to men with game? Whoa!!!”

Yes. It’s the variety of definitions of game I have trouble with though. Are you gaming life (your life)? or are you gaming women?, and if there is no difference why would that be? Is what I am saying.

theasdgamer
3 years ago

However I suppose there may also be some so-called naturals that don’t, have instead hit upon a particular behavioral mode the always produces the same desired cause => effect most of the time

lol @ Wild Bull

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

” . . . let’s say ‘the power associated with the abstract ‘territory’ that human alpha holds’. . .”

Let’s not and say we did.

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

“I would also say that power is an aspect of a man being Alpha, but it isn’t the only aspect.”

More likely “power” is merely a common result of other traits/behaviors…

I submit the Alpha Triad for continued consideration.

Dynamic, Passionate and Authentic.

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

asd – come-on – we have all known a fella or two like that eh? Some of those RSD guys strike me like that, despite the fact they act like girls, most definitely aren’t alpha, seem to promote the frivolous or whimsical perspective though that be more in keeping with the female perspective, and as such definitely are not naturals (thus the ‘so-called’ provisio).

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

Dynamic, Passionate and Authentic = mindset that leads to alpha power accrual, as long as the critical power associated with having a good grasp of the nature of the intersexual dynamic (which is akin to knowing your place, as a man, in the Darwinian sexual selection process), is possessed, as a necessary prerequisite, like I spelled of above ….. lest you spend you dynamism, passion and authenticity, (or is that then ‘so-called authenticity’?) on the wrong pursuit – funny how that works – eh?.

Roused
Roused
3 years ago

“Fraught with pitfalls” Seems like I keep seeing that trending reference in @wildebeastman’s posts. Risk averse Scared Fearful of leaving his keyboard Wildman, why are you so fearful? Why is it that you’re more interested in keyboard masturbation rather than getting out and living? Were you rejected too often by women and threw in the towel? Happens to all of us at some point(s) in our lives. Are women attracted to power or guys that master a keyboard? Are women attracted to masculine males with charm, have sex appeal and are successful? Are guys interested in hanging out with you… Read more »

Wild Man
Wild Man
3 years ago

Roused – no fair. I post quite a bit, and then I don’t (because I’m doing other stuff). Probably equivalent to what you post, quantity-wise, overall (with much more import of alternative opinion I might add – so what do you add?).

So can you finally fuck off on your make believe, and your repeating (over and over) false justification for your make believe.

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Roused

Yeah, William Lynch.

I heard the debate over the ” authenticity “, but I’m unmoved as I heard the story from very old people living in my birth state of VA in Richmond, very close proximity to the James.

Hell, they were in their 80’s and 90’s when they told/taught me about it, and I’ve watched how people act, on autopilot, every since I was a young pup.

The idea of controlling the kids through the mom has stayed with me forever.

…. and here we are in 2018.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
3 years ago

TFL looks like an exterme form of MGTOW. Digging a hole and filling it in on yourself. I’m on travel and re-reading Biology of Desire on Kindle. It is striking how similar chemical addiction is to extreme depressive states, and thus to TFL / MGTOW. In all cases there’s a deep path dug in neuroplastic terms, and as with the 12-step approach the first thing to do is admit a problem exists, but the groupthink in TFL and MGTOW won’t let that happen. The executive part of the brain clearly is shut out of the loop, a person exists at… Read more »

j
j
3 years ago

“The idea of controlling the kids through the mom has stayed with me forever. …. and here we are in 2018.” lol Remember the banging < 25 year old HB8+ thing? Did your wife fit that criteria in the post-tinder "eat pray love" culture? No ok then whatever you say about that your wife (who was raised in a different culture) is irrelevant. YaReally to Pinelero "@pinelero “I sure as hell didn’t know about the risk of female induced alienation from my kids until my marriage took a turn towards the dark side. Child alienation was actually lobed at me… Read more »

j
j
3 years ago

*24 hours @Sentient “He also hated masculinity.” No. He didn’t care about anyone else’s definition of “masculinity” and living up to other people’s standards: “Clinging to old definitions of masculinity while the rest of the world changes is like Blue Pill guys clinging to the old set of books while women are using the new set. It’s a romantic notion, but open your eyes. I’ll do masculine however I like, what other guys think of it is irrelevant. It’s not Boy Scouts where we all have to give a shit about earning our Sentient/SJF badge for chopping down a tree… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

“Fox is still adjusting to the changes, while I’m getting laid with ease even though he’s a lot older than me and has banged a lot more women than me.”

Fox’s biggest issue is his choice to live in a remote place with few women around and his scarcity mindset. His BP pedastalization is secondary.

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

J

“I’ll do masculine however I like,”

You can call an orange a banana, ain’t gonna make it so.

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

J

“It’s not Boy Scouts where we all have to give a shit about earning our Sentient/SJF badge for chopping down a tree and fixing an engine. ”

That’s all cool until ya know you have to chop down a tree or fix an engine. And at 24 you probably can’t envision ever having to. Thus the folly of youth.

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

“I think part of the pushback is older guys having a hard time understanding that their opinion doesn’t really “matter by default”. Like “what?? Don’t you care about my approval?? ”

This was all Gamma projection. The proof is in the pudding fanbois… Ya left because he failed.

j
j
3 years ago

“Fox’s biggest issue is his choice to live in a remote place with few women around and his scarcity mindset.”

lol doesn’t matter where he chooses to live. If we were gaming in the same venue on a Saturday night, I would destroy him (no offense bro!!!)

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

Fox is a hobbled shell of his old self… That’d be a hollow victory.

kfg
kfg
3 years ago

” . . . Present your case . . .”

It is the world that will present the case, but bear in mind that when learning by experience you get the final exam before you get the lesson.

j
j
3 years ago

“And at 24 you probably can’t envision ever having to”

ya that’s what lumberjacks are paid to do. and it’s very likely I’ll ever have to fix an engine when self driving cars become mainstream lol

Sentient
Sentient
3 years ago

“Present your case, and if it holds up, cool, if it doesn’t, out the window it goes.””

Poof!

Q.E.D

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

Ugh. We already did this. Multiple times. It was dumb then just as it is now. If any man really believes that women are completely different people than they were ” in the past “, well all I can say is good for you. buffear. Looking for reasons. Ya was a master at that when it came to the subject. ” Oh yeah? then why did you react emotionally when I told @fox over at the Field Reports page, that the triple digit lay count he’s accumulated in the past doesn’t mean shit today? Your lay count does not give… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
3 years ago

” No. He didn’t care about anyone else’s definition of “masculinity” and living up to other people’s standards:”

lolololololololololololololololol….

Then wtf was up with all the >25 hb9-10 in XXXX year bullshit?

Standard of some sort?

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