Dangerous Times – Part 2

The fulfillment of your own sexuality is nothing less than your battle for existence. – Pook

If you’ve been wondering what I’ve been doing lately over the past week I took it upon myself to read through the 7,000 word short story “Cat Person” that’s recently gone viral. The author, 36 year old Kristen Roupenian, was also offered a one million dollar book deal to expand the story even further. You too can read the whole thing if you have the stomach, but it reads every bit like the passive-aggressive indirection I’d expected it would coming from a less-than Hypergamously satisfied woman who’s well past the Wall. Rather than craft a concrete article about her own inner conflict (and by association all women’s conflict) of having ‘inconvenient’ casual sex, she thought she wanted, we get an overwritten fiction that sock-puppets herself as the main character.

If this book does publish, trust me, it wont be a new 50 Shades of Grey. Cat Person  resonates with women today because we now live in the #MeToo era of moral panic inspired by the same Future is Female outrage brokers who brought us pink pussy knitted caps and the women’s march in the wake of Hillary Clinton’s defeat. I decided to split this series of essays into two parts because at this moment in history we are beginning to see the culmination of the predictions I alluded to in my essay, The Political is Personal. We are seeing, in real time, just how a feminine-primary social order and a growing female supremacism consolidates its power. But as I outlined in that essay, this power is always predicated on the hope of ensuring the largest pool of women are legally and socially entitled to the unquestioned, and unmerited, optimization of Hypergamy.

Any man with a Red Pill Lens reading through Cat Person will easily pick out the social conventions and rationalizations unique to women’s ‘hamstering’ (“Flirting with her customers was a habit she’d picked up back when she worked as a barista, and it helped with tips.”) that the manosphere has been picking apart for almost two decades now. And, like most women, the female readership find nothing inconsistent or conflicting about any of it. Roupenian breezes through the ins and outs of women’s sexual pluralism and the differences between transactional (Beta) and validational (Alpha) sex without so much as an afterthought – and her readers eat it up with the same solipsism.

However, the overarching concern for women about this story is the issue of the newly coined term “enthusiastic consent”. Our poor Margot (the main character and proxy for the author, and ultimately all women) is torn up by a casual sexual encounter that at first she thought she wanted, but later, even after giving the guy the green light to have sex with her, she loses enthusiasm to bang him. Yet, not to be rude or to create an uncomfortable scene, she goes through with the inconvenient, lack luster, sex because it was easier to say yes than to say no.

There are other names for this kind of sex: gray zone sex, in reference to that murky gray area of consent; begrudgingly consensual sex, because, you know, you don’t really want to do it but it’s probably easier to just get it over with; lukewarm sex, because you’re kind of “meh” about it; and, of course, bad sex, where the “bad” refers not to the perceived pleasure of it, but to the way you feel in the aftermath.

Essentially, this shift from Yes Means Yes consent to Enthusiastic Consent ask the last questions in women’s social consolidation of Hypergamy:

“Must I still have to have transactional sex with Betas if all my provisional needs are more or less met?”

“If I’m an ’empowered’ woman, am I not entitled to the sex I want to have with Alpha men that validate both my hindbrain and my ego?”

“Can transactional sex with Betas be used as leverage to extort resources from them at any future date by redefining that undesired sex as ‘rape’?”

Curb Your “Enthusiasm”

The reason I believe that Roupenian’s future book will fall flat is because the viral conversation her short story elicits is about a new terminology that the Feminine Imperative hopes to insert into the public sphere – that of ‘enthusiastic consent‘ being the only legitimate form of consent a woman can give a man. Anything less than genuine enthusiasm (however this is arbitrarily defined by women) is at best illegitimate consent and at worst rape – even if every indicator a woman gives a man prior to, during and after sex says ‘yes’ she still means ‘no’ and, as we’ll see here, it will be incumbent on that man to be an adequate mindreader and sexual evaluator to determine her real degree of ‘enthusiasm’ both in the moment and into the future.

There’s a lot to unpack here, but I wanted to begin with a comment I received last week:

If you read feminist literature, the intent behind “enthusiastic consent” seems to have good intentions. Its based on the following purported beliefs:

  • That there is a huge incidence of coerced sex and sexual contact, which is mostly inadvertent rather than malicious. The best way to correct this is to teach men the principles of EC. 
  • That the idea of a sharp Alpha/Beta divide in men’s sexual attractiveness is a myth propagated by the misogynistic Right. Furthermore, girls and women have a realistic idea of their own SMV and will be attracted to their male equivalent.

Thus, feminists believe a free sexual market will see assortive mating with both men and women being able to get a similar amount of sex. This is why when men complain of the difficulty of getting sex, many women will retort that it must be because they are only chasing “supermodels”.

Look at Charlie Rose, is this a man with any Red Pill at all? Giving shoulder rubs to office girls, showing porn to a couple, this is all high school Beta stuff. But he had a TV show that lots of famous people wanted to get on. Clearly Beta-ized, but a situational Alpha. In my not so humble opinion most of the #MeToo girls are going after former situational Alphas because they turned out to be Blue Pill Beta after all…they feel cheated, and are just so sure that all the other girls got to ride a real Alpha pony on the carousel, so the fury comes out.

The ‘enthusiastic’ consent social push we are just on the cusp of today is the next progression in the larger goal of feminism – removing all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality. ‘Enthusiastic consent’ will be the raison d’etat for the legislation leading to the outlawing of any form of male sexual expression.

From The Political is Personal:

The inherent insecurity that optimizing Hypergamy poses to women is so imperative, so all-consuming, to their psychological wellbeing that establishing complex social orders to facilitate that optimization were the first things women collectively constructed when they were (nominally) emancipated from men’s provisioning around the time of the sexual revolution.

Ensuring the optimization of women’s biologically prompted Hypergamy is literally the basis of our current social order. On a socio-political scale what we’re experiencing is legislation and cultural mandates that better facilitate Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks.

[…]As Open Hypergamy becomes more institutionalized and made a societal norm by the Feminine Imperative, and as more men become Red Pill aware (by effort or consequences) because of it, the more necessary it will become for a feminine-primary social order to legislate and mandate men comply with it.

As much as I’d like to believe that normalizing ‘enthusiastic consent’ may lead to women overplaying their hand, I have to consider how the specificity of defining consent will also redefine past sexual norms and intersexual dynamics; not just among single individuals having loosely defined “consensual” sex, but also married couples and how sex (or lack thereof) defines their relationships. As if the men of today needed one more reason to be wary of marriage and how it will eventually affect their sex lives, now we can add the potential for ‘marital rape’ accusations based on EC (enthusiastic consent) to that list; and all in light of women’s less than enthusiastic response to any of her husband’s advances. God forbid a mewling Beta pouts his way into this grey zone ‘duty sex’ with his unenthusiastic wife.

What were witnessing here is the insertion of college campus consent laws into Marriage 2.0, and as designed its intent is to further disrupt marriage and family. Even in the old books presumptions about marriage a man could expect his commitment to a wife and family meant a plenary exchange of sexual access. But when enthusiastic consent is a prerequisite for legitimizing sexual encounters, anything resembling a woman’s putting out duty sex for her husband, even starfish lack luster obligatory sex is defined as rape.

I got the following comment from last week’s Red Pill Reddit forum repost:

The fundamental driver is removal of female responsibility for her actions, pushing all responsibility onto men. Whatever happens between a man and a woman, women universally agree that the man is to blame for any and all results, including her subsequent regret.

Responsibility used to be on women to say “no” if she wanted to claim rape. This responsibility has been removed. No longer does she have to verbalise lack of consent. No longer does she even have to verbalise actual consent. She can decide after the fact…. years after the fact…. whether her consent was in fact enthusiastic enough, and she can base that on her future feelings. “But did you enthusiastically scream yes?” her friends will ask, which is more than the police or the public will subsequently ask of her.

Women side with women. Whiteknights, weak Betas and naive Blue Pill fools side with women. Everyone agrees women are right and men are wrong.

And this is the intended result: women are not to be held responsible for their actions. They are not to be held responsible at any cost – including the destruction of male lives.

I presented this point in Men and Suicide, but just to recap, on a subconscious level women will always seek to absolve themselves of complicity in men’s personal destruction. This extends from destroying mens lives due to regrets over not optimizing Hypergamy, to any concern over men committing suicide. At present, women are attempting to reconcile ‘bad sex’ with ‘inconvenient sex’ they have in spite of themselves. However, the same absolution of any inherent complicity in this ‘transactional’ sex ends with blaming men for women’s lack of agency or self-moderation:

Bad sex isn’t even necessarily coercive. I’m talking about having a sexual encounter you don’t want to have because in the moment it seems easier to get it over with than it would be to extricate yourself.

Young women say yes to sex they don’t actually want to have all of the time. Why? Because we condition young women to feel guilty if they change their mind. After all, you’ve already made it back to his place, or you’re already on the bed, or you’ve already taken off your clothes, or you’ve already said yes. Do you really want to have an awkward conversation about why you want to stop? What if it hurts his feelings? What if it ruins the relationship? What if you seem like a bitch?

The problem in this rationale isn’t about women changing their mind or feeling guilty – those are excuses for male-initiated victimhood for women and absolve women’s complicity – rather, the focus should be on the fact that women going through with this type of sex presently have the option to ruin a man’s life at any future date by defining it as ‘unwanted sex’. Ella Dawson may not want to conflate transactional, Beta sex as rape, but that’s where this conversation is leading us to.

Is it OK for Alpha Males?

I apologize for forgetting who it was that sent me this link, but the present day #MeToo moral panic combined with notions of “enthusiastic consent” and a resulting atmosphere of fear in intersexual dynamics was predicted as far back as 2004, and by a woman no less:

Sexual harassment is a crime committed by beta-males who think they can get away with alpha behavior. But that is a distinction too delicate for the blunt instrument of the law. How do you explain to a judge why one man’s comedy is another man’s bone-chilling lechery? And can we really expect the beta-males themselves to understand the difference?

I found this article very prescient about our present moral panic. In the last two posts I’ve made the case that what were finally seeing on a social scale is the consolidation of women’s entitlement to an almost socialistic guarantee of optimized Hypergamy. Through any number of direct and indirect institutions we’ve now virtually guaranteed women a right to Beta men’s resources, protection and provisioning as well as a dominant social status above them both at home and in the workplace. Whether overtly or covertly, women dominate Beta men; the last piece of consolidating Hypergamy is then the (at least partial) control of Alpha Fucks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/7kpmwa/dangerous_times_part_1/drhirym/

As we move into 2018 – an era to be defined even more thoroughly by the Future is Female, #MeToo and Enthusiastic Consent – I believe we’ll see a push for the following:

  • Sexual harassment will indeed be a crime committed by Beta males who fail at a convincing ‘Alpha’ behavior. As such the push will be to get Beta men to self-police their behavior via fear. There will be a doubling down on the part of Blue Pill White Knights and ‘Feminist Allies’ in the wake of the social and legal options women will have to be believed of men’s sexual misconduct allegations by default. Feminized men will “try harder” and rat out their rivals for any hint of misconduct in an Orwellian effort to be more appealing and identifying with women.
  • Only confident Alpha men, or men well versed in Game, will be allowed to approach women from a perspective of social acceptability. However, even then it will be a woman’s prerogative to later define that approach or subsequent interaction as harassment if that Alpha doesn’t comply with a woman’s long term security needs, provisioning and parental investment ‘entitlements’. The latent purpose of a suspension of the statutes of limitation for sexual harassment will center on locking down (perceptually) Alpha men in a long term relationship.
  • This new feminine-primary sexual paradigm will further limit Beta men’s sexual access and increase reproduction stress in the few Beta men who don’t pragmatically drop out of the sexual marketplace altogether. This will also reinforce boys/men’s conditioning of loathing their own gender. They will be taught to accept this feminine-primary sexual strategy, as well as the legal restrictions  on his power of choice and his life’s direction as the societal norm.
  • Legal mandates and societal mores will directly and indirectly ensure Beta men’s compliance in all aspects of parental investment in children he was not biologically responsible for, as well as women’s long term security.

Now, more than ever it is imperative that men become Red Pill awakened and see the writing on the wall with a Red Pill Lens. All of this may seem horribly unavoidable, but let me emphasize, it’s not for men who are aware of, and have internalized intersexual dynamics and can plan accordingly.

In the last installment of this series I’ll be delving into some of the larger socio-sexual implications of where we find ourselves today and where I see present day intersexual relations leading us in a larger scale as well as what Red Pill men can do to win at whats becoming a very dangerous game.

 

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

681 comments on “Dangerous Times – Part 2

  1. Female hypergamy and solipsism, male aggression and rationality; these things work that way because it’s what works.

    If we bred like rabbits we would BE rabbits, the world’s favorite knosh.

  2. “Roused
    “Widow” is a woman whose husband has died.

    “Widower” is a man whose wife has died.

    They are not the same thing. You should avoid dating widowers unless you are gay.”

    Oh for fucks sake. Thanks for the correction. She for sure had a vagina, I was balls deep in it. Regardless, I’m avoiding both widows and widowers.

  3. Dr. zip,

    exactly.

    Balanced families, relationships aren’t film worthy so we talk about what’s wrong more than what’s right.

  4. “I’m avoiding both widows and widowers.”

    Some have tendencies that lead a man into the same predicament that was the demise of the last guy. Not sure I want to train another woman in her 20’s let alone retrain one that has been taught even more bad habits.

  5. @Roused

    Don’t get too riled at AR.

    His sundowner’s is kicking in, his iron titre is low. Have some sympathy.

  6. @ Palma

    Thanks for checking in, bro. All good again, focusing on my music production which is my passion and what i have the most talent for. I’ve always written songs and played in bands, but since diving into electronic music my skills have really soared over the past 18 months. Awaiting a new pair of 3-way monitors which i’ve rewarded myself with after 18 months of discipline and focus and mixing through my home stereo (which is a good system, but not ideal for high-end electronic music production) which will take my music production to the next level and beyond. I have survived out here living alone for the past 12 years, so i’m battening down the hatches and focusing on being disciplined and working towards my goals, touring Europe in 2019 being one of my biggies. Not drinking alcohol or smoking pot makes a huge difference to my mental, physical & spiritual state and i recommend this to all men who want to get their life in order.

    Yes, true happiness does come from being disciplined, honouring your passions and working towards goals, both big and small. Women can never be the focus of a man’s journey as we all know here. They’re really just an accessory, aren’t they, like a pair of nice sub woofers. We all like a phat, tight, bottom end, don’t we gentlemen…. It’s one of the key lessons an old womaniser like me has learned here. Much gratitude Rollo and the other fine gentlemen like yourself, Blax, Sentient, Gamer etc who regularly share your hard-earned wisdom here. I have a Beta acquaintance, who whilst starting a local men’s group, is still choking on the Red Pill. He just can’t accept that AWALT amongst other hard truths. I told him that “Denial isn’t only a river in Egypt…” I’m glad i’ve swallowed the Red Pill and managed to keep it down, though i have had a bit of reflux on the way…

  7. @ EhIntellect

    “What Alpha in his right mind would fuck, let alone initiate matrimony and reproduce with an over 30 woman?”

    I consider myself mostly Alpha and do fuck plenty of over 30 women, especially now i’m 51. In my 40’s i was still able to pull babes in their 20’s (when i turned 40 my girl was 22 much to the disgust of the older women at my party), but whilst i’ve aged well, i don’t know if i’d want to pursue women under 30. Having said that, if a hot young babe jumped in my lap and said “Fuck me, Daddy”, then i would oblige for sure. But there are still plenty of hot 30+ women out there so i think it’s folly to write them all off, especially if you’re a middle-aged silver fox like me…

  8. SSFox,

    You’d not marry, start a family with a 30+ y.o., right?

    That’s the rub for childless postwall women. Betas are their only go to.

    Rock on brother. Loving your testimony.

  9. EhIntellect
    “In the under-30 world women more and more out earn men; they are their own Beta.”

    What Alpha in his right mind would fuck, let alone initiate matrimony and reproduce with an over 30 woman?

    Non sequitur. Do you understand that “under 30” and “over 30” are mutuallly exclusive sets?

    When you drive on the freeway, what do you focus your eyes on?

  10. kfg

    If we bred like rabbits we would BE rabbits, the world’s favorite knosh.

    This is the cue for r / K theory…

  11. Roused
    Oh for fucks sake. Thanks for the correction. She for sure had a vagina, I was balls deep in it. Regardless, I’m avoiding both widows and widowers.

    You are welcome. Nothing personal, but words mean things.

    Widows can be the classic example of War Brides. Your widow likely wants instant intimacy at the emotional level as well as other things.

    Reconsider avoiding widowers. Those men, even if they are old, might just need The Glasses. If for no other reason than to be able to deal with all the widows that tend to flock around them…

  12. Man>woman>child. Never the other way. Whichever the situation, the woman is coming from the taker’s direction:
    20 percent desire sex: It is a subconscious drive and nature is doing the negotiations and saying, “Give me the genes. I dont have to give you anything but you must give me genes (dick). My only desire is you busting a nut inside me with no condoms involved. But if you insist, I will give you sexual pleasure meanwhile. Your resources not a consideration at this fucking moment.”

    80 percent resource sex: Is a conscious calculated drive and the woman herself is doing the negotiating and says, “give me the resources. I dont have to give you anything, but you must give me the resources. My only desire is you giving me your money, your house and your other assets. But if you insist, I will give you sexual plasure meanwhile. Your cum is not a consideration at this fucking moment. (Aside: In fact, it is disgusting to me).”

  13. Novaseeker to Vultural
    That doesn’t mean that (1) betas don’t breed, (2) all women married to betas cuck them, (3) betas have no sex, (4) all betas get divorced, etc. Higher risk of these things? Yes, but the incidence is lower than you think.

    The probabilities are changing, though. If only there was a site where Open Hypergamy had been discussed, I’d link to that article…

    Vultural is just black-pilling. 3 to 4 generations isn’t enough to make a difference even if Mary Daly’s dream somehow came true [*]. However, as I’ve been saying for close to 10 years now, an industrial civilization depends on the ordinary, competent man – lineman, roughneck, trucker, etc. and making their lives ever more miserable is going to have bad effects in the longer run, and not 100 years out, either. Working class white men have been dying prematurely due to druge overdoses, typically of stuff like Oxy or Fentanyl, for over 12 years. Nobody cared until recently, because those men are regarded as disposable by this society. Most especially by the opinionaters on TV and the Upper Middle Class in general. Yet they are not going to be replaced by strong, indepedent, empowered wimmenz or robots.

    I don’t buy Vultural’s black pill. But my eyes are open, and I can see what is around me plus down the road.

    [*] Daly was a radfem back in the previous century at a uni in Boston who once mused that what the world really needed was for 90% of men to just…die…with the remaining 10% kept for necessary breeding purposes. Probably a lesbian. That line was an outrage to me when I first ran across it. It’s interesting now to look back at that with Red Pill vision; even radfems are Just Girls.

  14. In other words nature has a vagina. She is called mother nature for a reason. Heheheee… When you get desires sex it is not even the woman you are talking to. It is nature herself talking asking you to whip out you Mr. Shlong and dip it into her vagina. She is asking for seed to make younglings with. The woman is just a tool at that moment and she has no idea what is happening.

    So each time you get dessire sex, just know that at that moment, the open vagina before you is mother nature’s, not the woman’s. And beware of the repercussions.

  15. you don’t care, but gonna share…. “Dwight Schrute”

    funny, to be sure, but even funnier for me cuz I’ve seen the show and know of it and coincidentally, my 11yo is going thru an ‘Office’ phase atm and has seen all the episodes; I’m constantly being regaled with re-enactments of the funny moments and my boy is definitely curious about some of the more grown up aspects

    we laugh together and have such a great time, makes any of the shit I endured to get here worth it

  16. cheupez
    January 9, 2018 at 6:55 pm
    “In other words nature has a vagina. She is called mother nature for a reason. Heheheee… When you get desires sex it is not even the woman you are talking to. It is nature herself talking asking you to whip out you Mr. Shlong and dip it into her vagina. She is asking for seed to make younglings with. The woman is just a tool at that moment and she has no idea what is happening.

    So each time you get dessire sex, just know that at that moment, the open vagina before you is mother nature’s, not the woman’s. And beware of the repercussions.”

    Supernatural Game

  17. This a.m. Mrs. Gamer asked me what the meaning of “adultery” is. This was in reference to one of the Ten Commandments. So I used a concordance to look up the word and a lexicon to discover the meaning of the Hebrew word. It means, “when a married woman has sex with a man who is not her husband.” She asked about married men and I told her that I didn’t know of any corresponding word for married men.

    Mrs. Gamer is studying Exodus in one of her women’s groups. Somehow, I doubt that they will look up the actual meaning of the Hebrew word translated “adultery.” Mrs. Gamer probably won’t bring it up because she doesn’t like what is being implied. lol

  18. @ EhIntellect

    If the right 30+ yo came on the scene i would definitely consider having a kid with her. I haven’t got any progeny to will my property etc to as yet, not that that’s really worrying me at this stage. Can’t see myself doing it with an under 30yo, though stranger things have happened. I mean, we wouldn’t have much in common for a start, i’d have 20+ years more of life experience and how long would she stick around for once she got bored anyways? That’s always gonna be the million dollar question for any woman, i know, but it’s highly unlikely a young chick is gonna want to live my lifestyle. The older we get, the more set in our ways and less likely to compromise, even for young pussy. Of course, if my music takes off and i start playing the big festivals across the globe in the next few years, then that would change everything…

    I know Rollo has women peaking at 23 (SMV), but that doesn’t mean that anyone older is washed up. My last lover was a hot 40yo Serbian who had a better body than most women in their mid 20’s & was better in bed than anyone i had been with, which is quite a high notch count to be honest, so i have a lot of sexperience to judge against. One would hope that women 30+ are starting to grow up a little, so we have to be careful about generalising just due to age. I currently have my eye on a lovely woman who i’m guessing is low to mid-30’s, who i would seriously consider having a kid with if the opportunity arose. Men in Australia don’t get fucked over by the system anywhere near as badly as the brothers in the USA if things go to shit, so it’s not as risky financially at least as far as i’m aware. Anyone from Australia who has been fucked over by the system, please enlighten me…

    Having said that, i would be happy to tour Europe each summer (our Winter), playing music festivals, and partying with the local ladies, NSA…

  19. @EhIntellect

    ”You write energeticly. Give us some background…age, sexual hx, city size you live in. Most guys don’t come here to bombasticly argue. Don’t tell me you’re a one-man fire bell for us rubes here at TRM either.”

    I live in Romania (my name translated in english means ”guarding eagle”, a pseudonym) , I m 22 and I live in a city with a population a little over 200.000 inhabitants.

    @ Anonymous Reader

    Thank you for your responses, you seem to be one of the most rational persons.

    @ALL

    As I stated in one of my replies above, I believe that 20% of male population get all the sex while 80% gets very little sex, if any sex, at all.

    But I also believe thats because of SOCIAL ENGINEERING.
    There wouldnt be so many ”betas” and so few ”alphas” in our society without feminist indoctrination, altered food (like soy, that lowers ones testosterone level), pro-lgbt campaigns, video games that consume ones precious time(that could be spent learning something), propaganda in movies and TV shows, explosion of porn ( that make people addicts, and make them to not have a strong desire for the ”actual” thing, because hey, they are ”released”through
    porn and mastrubation), etc

    If you were one of the ellites that pull the strings, what tactic would you use? Maybe divide and conquer? Maybe breaking up the social ”norm”, destroying the family unit (family unit made civilisation possible) and ruin the natural order of things?

    I dont know if you know it but the current testosteron levels in human males is very, very low compared to 50 years ago. And even lower compared to 75-100 years ago,
    So, there is a logical conclusion that can be drawn from this : Back then there were many more ”alphas”. Alpha was the norm, and the current situation in sexual marketplace is due to social engineering.

  20. “But I also believe thats because of SOCIAL ENGINEERING. ”

    I”m afraid you have things the wrong way around. 80/20 is the State of Nature.

    “family unit made civilisation possible”

    Civilization Is socially engineered. Having a power elite is one of the defining characteristics of civilization, only possible because of the wealth living in cities makes possible.

  21. @kfg

    ”I”m afraid you have things the wrong way around. 80/20 is the State of Nature.”

    No its not. As I stated above, 80/20 rule leads to inbreeding on the long run.
    No society can survive nor develop following that mating pattern.

    ”Civilization Is socially engineered. ”

    Then what does set us appart from animals? What defines us? What makes us unique in animal kingdom?
    High IQ, high sociall skills(socialization) and cooperation. Intelligence.

    And intelligence and reasoning are innate features of humans.

    Intelligence (reasoning) => civilization, development of human settlements.

    So, no, civilization is NOT socially engineered.
    Civilization is what define us, without it we wouldnt be humans .

    However, the current trend (mating pattern) towards which we are heading to (80/20 or even 90/10) is socially engineered.

  22. SSFox,

    Great response and your honesty is appreciated. I’ve known there was a lot more to you than first impressions.

    This is no knock on your comment:

    We’ve had much discussion about younger tighter better and baggage women being with them after 30. We’ve also talked a bit how older men will lower their expectations on potential women as the fear of rejection is that strong.

    There was a guy way back who insisted the older 40 y.o. info babe was sexier than tbe 25 y.o. as she wasn’t a young bimbo (His words), wasn’t classy.

    I’m not saying you said this, it’s a common example of a man’s autolimting his options by rationalizing it away somehow.

    Painting targets around arrows…and I do it too, btw.

    You deserve the best you can get, if you’ll just realize you deserve it.

    I guess if AWALT means anything, why the tendency to limit your options, justify and older woman’s higher SMV?

    I admit you’ve done good work squaring your life away. Why think your age has much to do with your ability to pull from the 20 y.o. set only reduces your options. It might be buffering.

  23. @Sentient

    “I note Vulture ducked your question on sexual/female experience.”

    That s right. So what? Does that disprove my point ?

    I m keeping to myself that info. Why should I share it with you or anybody else? Bragging? Or to give you and EhIntellect the opportunity to build an strawman argument?

  24. I dont know if you know it but the current testosteron levels in human males is very, very low compared to 50 years ago. And even lower compared to 75-100 years ago,
    So, there is a logical conclusion that can be drawn from this : Back then there were many more ”alphas”. Alpha was the norm, and the current situation in sexual marketplace is due to social engineering.

    Vulture —

    It isn’t social engineering as much as it is the march of time. I’m sure that lower testosterone levels have something to do with it, but much bigger roles were played by (1) contraceptive technology which allowed women to opt out of the natural consequences of sex cheaply, easily and reliably for the first time in human history and (2) change in many places from an industrial to a post-industrial economy, in which women could participate on very equal terms with men. These two things had nothing to do with feminism, and nothing to do with testosterone, and they would have led to massive changes in the balance between men and women in any context. It led to turbocharged ones in the West’s context because of the pre-existing feminism, the pre-existing social and political culture between the sexes and the like, but it results in massive changes in any system that does not use belts and suspenders to prevent the changes from taking place (i.e., making things illegal).

    I doubt men were more alpha naturally in olden times. The entire system was based around the reality that women were vulnerable to and dependent on men — because of pregnancy and because of their limited involvement in the economy. When pregnancy was made 100% optional, and the economy changed such that brawn-related jobs were replaced by brain-related ones, the changes that we have seen were mostly inevitable. Some of it has been egged on by this or that feminism or this or that social or political movement, but really this is mostly stuff that has resulted from technological and economic changes that were not enacted by some shadowy elite bent on oppressing men. The times just changed.

    And because of those changes, men need to adapt. Because women are no longer dependent on men due to pregnancy, and because sex has become much more widespread for the same reason, the “social hierarchy” has changed, moving average women ahead of average men due to the disparity in sexual desire and the centrality of sex in a culture where pregnancy is optional. So that is the new “default”: top men > top and average women > average men > below average women > below average men. Men need to realize this, realize where they are (most, by definition, will be in the “average men” category right out of the box), and seek to improve themselves so as to not be in that “average men” category, but in the “top men” category. Either that, or accept your lot as an “average man” (i.e., a beta) who is below women in the socio-sexual hierarchy, and therefore doesn’t get desire sex but only gets negotiated/exchange sex (ie, the woman doesn’t want sex from you, but wants something else from you, so she will give you what you want, sex, in exchange for you giving her what she wants, money). That is how it is now, because women are no longer dependent on men and pregnancy is only opt-in. So you adapt to the new reality and improve yourself to the top category, or you accept your lot. Only two choices there. Choose wisely.

  25. kfg
    January 10, 2018 at 4:04 am
    “But I also believe thats because of SOCIAL ENGINEERING. ”

    I”m afraid you have things the wrong way around. 80/20 is the State of Nature.

    “family unit made civilisation possible”

    Civilization Is socially engineered. Having a power elite is one of the defining characteristics of civilization, only possible because of the wealth living in cities makes possible.

    Yes. Vulture should read more of The Rational Male

    https://therationalmale.com/2016/02/23/the-pareto-principle/

    Excerpt:

    A Wife for Every Beta

    In Christian Dread I made mention of Nick Krausers’ appearance on London Real. For a bit more elaboration on this principle cue the video to 5:00 and watch until about 8:33.

    https://youtu.be/mpYWQRpxzQs

    A wife for every Beta is the old order negotiated social contract function of committed monogamy. In a state of nature where 80% of men can never be assured of a genetic legacy, most men have no incentive to participate in an organized society. What the Regulated model of sexuality does (albeit inefficiently) is gives Beta males the incentive to cooperate in larger society by establishing monogamy as the predominant social order. And then, as Krauser mentions these societies tend to outperform those based on a Hypergamous, naturalistic socio-sexual structure.

    As mentioned this arrangement was based on an exchange of long term security for women for assurances of sexual access and ultimately a genetic legacy. Essentially it was a negotiated compromise of the desire for the Alpha Fucks aspect of Hypergamy for the assurances of a long term Beta Bucks aspect of Hypergamy. By today’s socio-sexual standard this old order arrangement is supplanted with the relatively assured guarantee of satisfying both aspects of Hypergamy at different phases of a woman’s maturity in life. Thus we see the Epiphany Phase, Alpha Widowhood and every variety of schema I outline in Preventive Medicine.

    The new, post-sexual revolution order is a model ostensibly based on ‘sexual freedom’, but what this really represents is a return to that naturalistic sexual order based on pre-agrarian, evolutionarily incentivized Hypergamy. We revert back to an open acceptance of the 80/20 realities that, if we’re honest, always informed even a Regulated socio-sexual model of monogamy.

    In the new era of Open Hypergamy, women’s only necessitated compromise of her sexual strategy depends on her exaggerated self-impression of her SMV measured against her capacity to lock down an optimal male. This also explains the endless push to create self-confident, self-important ‘independent’ women. Women’s naturalistic predilection for the 80/20 Pareto Principle of sexual selection virtually assures their long term isolation – thus the need for a self-created impression of women’s self-sufficiency.

    (BTW, the whole Nick Krauser video on London Real is excellent. A classic interview. Krauser summarizes a lot of Rollo Tomassi’s The Rational Male writing and speaking and cites him for it. One hour that synthesizes 500 of Rollo’s essays.)

  26. “That s right. So what? Does that disprove my point ?”

    Provides your perspective.

    Alphas have very different reference experiences than Betas.

    Betas have very different reference experiences than Omegas.

    Guys that have climbed Everest have very different reference experiences than guys who can’t climb stairs.

    If incel is your baseline, well then that colors your perspective.

    Holla at my boy E-Rod…

    https://asamnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Rodger-Elliot1.jpg

    “Sup playa” – E-Rod

  27. @ Vulturul

    “Then what does set us appart from animals? What defines us? What makes us unique in animal kingdom?”

    Intelligence? You’re making shit up again.

    Freedom. Man knows of his impending death and that creates options.

  28. Western civilization is at the end of a cycle. Here is a snip of how the Hindus view the feminine in these times:

    “Kali Ma, called the “Dark Mother,” is the Hindu goddess of creation, preservation, and destruction. She is especially known in her Destroyer aspect, squatting over her dead consort, Shiva, devouring his entrails while her yoni sexually devours his lingam, penis. Kali, in this aspect is said to be “The hungry earth, which devours its own children and fattens on their corpses…” In India the experience of the Terrible Mother has been given its most grandiose form of Kali, which just is not simple imagery; it is the image of the Feminine, particularly the Maternal, for in a profound way life and birth are integrally connected to death and destruction.”

    This isn’t going to be an easy ride.

    That being said, how does a man deal with it? Without question, being red pilled and game aware is dramatically superior than not having this awareness. I think some of the older more successful guys on the board are being a little harsh on the younger crowd however. The minefields these kids have to navigate are far more treacherous than what we faced in decades past. You younger guys need to understand though, there really isn’t another option.

    It would seem MGTOW can be divided into two camps, the unhealthy incel variety and the more studied “juice isn’t worth the squeeze” type. I think at least on this board, MGTOW is often seen simply as the former with very little recognition of the later.

    The odd truth is that if you are truly going your own way, and working on self improvement, you are by definition making yourself more attractive to women. Your motivation is the only difference. Take the prudent precautions but don’t live in fear. There has been lots of debate in this thread regarding exactly who is being prudent and who is living in fear. Only you can know. The results will speak for themselves.

    I also think their is an unspoken expectation that everything will be all right if a man can simply crack the code and execute flawlessly. This simply isn’t the case. The best we can do is improve our odds, and I would say we can improve them dramatically. That being said, some good men will still go down in flames and be ground up by the Juggernaut. Other men will be content to stand back and say “He wasn’t really alpha”. It is simply the nature of things.

    As great as game is, it can’t fix everything. If it could, there would be no need to vet women, or to hard next them. You would simply apply game and solve the problem. Some men, myself included, will be paying for poor decisions made while in a blue pill frame for years. Game has helped me dramatically but it will never recover the lost time or relieve me from the consequences of previous bad decisions.

    Also remember, bravery isn’t the absence of fear, it is the ability to function and execute in spite of that fear. This world is becoming increasingly terrifying from a male perspective. Execute anyway. Learn game. Improve yourself for yourself. It’s your only real option.

    Live fearlessly but don’t be an idiot.

    As Aaron Clarey says, “Enjoy the decline”.

  29. “I also think their is an unspoken expectation that everything will be all right if a man can simply crack the code and execute flawlessly.”

    I’d say if he performs “good enough” things will be all right. Like Sentient said it’s about perspective. You ain’t gotta be Steve Lyon to be happy, though it’s nice to have example worth emulating.

    Speaking of,

    @ Sentient

    I’ve used your “I’m an artist” line many times with cold approach, in conversation. It reduces establishing value through income, swats away a need to discuss money with guys as they can’t comprehend it. Women are more interested of course.

    When asked about how profitable it is, I’ll say, “Enough to buy this beer.” and I move on with my agenda. I’ve sold enough of my art to speak convincingly and they’re not really interested in the art anyways.

  30. @Sentient

    ”Provides your perspective.”

    I m cuirous, how can your perspective change if yo f*cked 100 girls? Is it different than a perspective of a man who f*cked only, lets say, 3 girls?

    How?
    You see, my friend, it does not affect your perspective. Not even in the slightest form. Because one”s perspective about things that happen 5000 mile away is, in fact, based on abstract thinking. Something like understanding Physics, Math or the notion of infinty.

    So, if I didnt f*cked 100 girls, like you did (I assume) , it doesnt mean that my theory is wrong.
    You could f*ck 500 girls or thounsand if they are stupid bimbos. It doesnt mean anything.

    But your argument is classic AD HOMINEN ARGUMENT.

    ”argumentum ad hominem, is an argumentative strategy whereby an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.”

  31. Re: being hard on younger guys.

    Mainly I’m not hard/harsh on younger guys for the sake of just being an asshole towards them. My experience in growing from a boy to a man included scores of older men helping and instructing me all along the way, and as I got older, they had less tolerance for any nonsense about how I thought things ought to be, or any complaining and crying over stuff being hard or difficult.

    Zero tolerance.

    I’ve had lots of time to witness boys grow up and get eaten alive ( death, drugs, prison, divorce, etc ) by a world that’s not so forgiving to those that will not fight smartly and think that they are specially singular.

    So it’s not my nature to coddle young lions. I expect them to roar and mate and hunt, and there are no acceptable excuses ever.

  32. Yes, It’s On – excellent post… it takes a few of the hyperbolic notions swirling around here and puts them in a reasonable light

  33. @ vulture

    Lol, you can fuck hundreds of non ” bimbo ” chicks. You’re proving sentient’s points again concerning perspective.

  34. Vulturul,

    If you wrote your epitaph today, what would it say? Impactful things or less than what you’d like or somewhere in between?

    Look, we’re leading you somewhere and your resistance to shedding ego investments is natural. Feel free to get angry but with a little work, ultimately, you’ll come around…if only in those quiet times you’re alone.

  35. vulture – an analogy might help the idea go down a bit easier…

    I’m in the computers biz and it’s impossible to count the number of just-graduated ‘programmers’ who think that a high GPA makes them the most gifted and qualified sumbitch to ever set fingers on a keyboard

    read all you want, do lots of research, that’s a good thing; then, when you get a job programming you’ll discover that all that book knowledge won’t take you very far; in the real world, it’s about the business of putting that knowledge to practical use… and that my young padawan, is NOT found in a textbook nor prof’s lecture

    perspective is gained from experience, and you’ve apparently not much of that, certainly not anywhere near as much as those you mock

    having experience with 100 girls vs 3 wouldn’t change one’s perspective? add’l data and info couldn’t possibly force a re-evaluation of one’s previous line of thinking?

    c’mon, you’re just digging your heels in because of pride

  36. @Novaseeker

    I agree with you on some points you made, but I disagree completly with the following :

    ”lower testosterone levels have something to do with it, but much bigger roles were played by…”
    ”I doubt men were more alpha naturally in olden times. ”

    So you want to say that level of testosterone in the American population decresing with 1% every year for 30 years now (https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/92/1/196/2598434)
    have nothing to do with how they behave around women?
    Or how they display their masculine traits?

    Look at this form InfoWars :

    ”The average testosterone level for an American male is a range anywhere from 270 to 1070 ng/dL with an average level of 679 ng/dL.

    When a crew from Buzzfeed got their testosterone levels checked as part of an investigation into male attractiveness, 3 out of 4 were apparently low.

    Eugene, the Asian guy, was the only one of them to have normal testosterone levels, though he was on the low end of the normal range.

    Studies have shown men who are physically strong are more likely to be right-wing, while weak men are more likely to be left-wing socialists.”

    (https://www.infowars.com/buzzfeed-crew-shocked-to-learn-they-have-low-testosterone-levels/)

    How you behave, how you look and what kind of traits you exhibit HAVE EVERYTHING to do with how attractive your are to women. And the more testosterone you have, the better because you exhibit strong, masculine traits( long beard, huge muscle, etc)

    So it obvious that T levels dropping are a major cause for the high number of ”betas”.

  37. Vulture

    “abstract thinking”

    +

    “stupid bimbos”

    = Gamma Keyboard Jockey alert

    When YOUR experience is being questioned, that’s not an ad hominem attack, it’s your experience being questioned. We can get to the “argument” later.

  38. @Sentient

    argumentum ad hominem, is an argumentative strategy whereby an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

    If you cant understand this simple concept, thant you hopeless. You are a lost cause

  39. Like I said, we can get to the argument later. Right now we want to see who we are dealing with. If you make the leap to this is an attack on you and by extension your argument, well that’s just another Gamma tell… Secret King.

    All seen before. Because – say it with me – experience.

    Tell me what doctor do you go to?

  40. @ Sentient,

    Bro, dont be mad!

    You couldnt bring on an counter-argument to my theory, so just found a easier way to silence an opponent- bringing in another disscusion about something that is not relevant in the first disscusion.

  41. Shit. It would take me years and years to grow even a moderately ” long ” beard, but t levels are fairly high last time I checked a few months ago.

    Fuckin’ genetics man.

    The huge muscle thing is a fallacy though. Huge muscles come from heavy lifting/hard work. Higher t levels are an advantage, but without the work nobody gets ” huge muscles “.

  42. Vulture

    The questions been posed to you. You ducked it. Now are digging in your heels. Maybe take your advice?

  43. @dr zipper

    mocking? Who s mocking who? I m certenly not mocking anyone here, Im red pilled after a long period of being blue pilled.
    And just expressing an opinon here, but it seems they (the ones who replied me above) didnt care very much about it and they received me with hostility. So…

  44. Blaximus
    Mainly I’m not hard/harsh on younger guys for the sake of just being an asshole towards them. My experience in growing from a boy to a man included scores of older men helping and instructing me all along the way, and as I got older, they had less tolerance for any nonsense about how I thought things ought to be, or any complaining and crying over stuff being hard or difficult.

    You were also helped quite a bit by women. Women who were friendly, rather than hostile to men in general. Imagine if you’d been hit with Zero Tolerance at the age of 12 – juvie plus feminist brainwashing plus drugs. That would be a different reference experience from “woman down the block who let me do anything I wanted sexually”.

    Vulturul de Veghe claims to be a 20 year old Romanian. Do the math, he was born in 1997 and was 10 years old in 2007. For part of his childhood the remains of a Communist dictatorship were still being broken up; in Romania every single phone line was tapped for decades, every single conversation could be monitored, and people wound up in ugly prisons for pretty trivial offenses against the regime. That cultural hangover faded by the late 90’s, but it’s a factor.

    Eastern bloc feminism isn’t the same as US / Anglosphere but it has been around since the 1950’s. Social media dropped in a bit after it hit the West, but not that much later.

    His reference experiences are not the same as yours, for obvious reasons. He’s clearly capable of learning, this is demonstrated by his English – it’s much better than your Romanian, right?

  45. “Who said that experience matter to a THEORETICAL TALK?”

    Theory is irrelevant in the real world unless applied. How you been applying yourself?

    As you like definitions…keyboard jockey from U.D.:

    “Somebody who talks big about a subject on Internet forums, but can’t back their words up with real life accomplishments”

  46. ok, vulture, you take one fucking word (mock) and make that what you address about my comment…. same stupid shit you accuse others of doing; would the word ‘disparage’ or ‘discount’ make it easier for you to understand?

    dodging salient questions is not a discussion and you won’t find many takers for listening to a monologue of your juvenile pretensions of being smart; that’s gotta be the biggest tell of your inexperience and ignorance but it’s certainly not a bad thing, we’re all upstarts at some point and have to learn this

  47. palm –

    can’t upload an image or file to this site

    the image has to be available on the web via a regular link (URL), eg, https://asdf.com/mypic.jpg; then that link can be put into your comment and others can go view it

    there are sites available that can host anonymously and free; once you get your pics up there, it should be easy to verify your pussy slaying skills

  48. Novaseeker
    It isn’t social engineering as much as it is the march of time. I’m sure that lower testosterone levels have something to do with it, but much bigger roles were played by (1) contraceptive technology which allowed women to opt out of the natural consequences of sex cheaply, easily and reliably for the first time in human history

    Hormonal contraception fakes pregnancy. It changes women’s brains enough that their attraction triggers shift. What effect does long term fake pregnancy have on the uterus and other reproductive parts, and does that affect any actual pregnancy later on? I haven’t been able to find any study that even attempted this, doubt it could get funding, and what if a solid study showed that long-term use of hormonal contraception was likely to damage a male fetus later on? It would be buried. Heck, the pollution of waterways with estrogen and pseudoestrogens is well known, but very little is being done about it.

    You’re hasty in glossing over the biological effects of The Pill.

    and (2) change in many places from an industrial to a post-industrial economy, in which women could participate on very equal terms with men. These two things had nothing to do with feminism, and nothing to do with testosterone,

    Disagree again, for the obvious reason that sitting in a cube all day is not going to be good for a a man’s T compared to the older jobs of 60 years ago or more – using upper body muscles off and on all day, vs. driving to cube farm, sitting in cube farm, eating crap lunch, driving home.

    The decline in T could very well be due to a combination of estrogenic / pseduoestrogenic pollution of the world plus the increase in cube-farm work.

    Remember Boxcar? He was the man who was diagnosed with low T and was prescribed hormones to fix that condition. His “before” and “after” report was striking, but not surprising. He was surprised how women reacted to him differently when his T was normalized.

    In this thread we have had a link to research showing that men smell different to women depending on the T level.

    Declining T puts more men into the “meh” bucket all by itself. “Do you lift” is a key question now.

  49. @Anonymous Reader

    Thank you, you are right about everything concerning Romania. The political and social frame in my country are still very rough, dating scene is even harder. Here even the 8 and 9 have a hard time picking up girls. Even Alphas .
    Btw, I m 22, born in 1995 🙂
    But Thank you, you are the most rational here.

    @mersonia

    You are just ignorant and very close-minded, kiddo.

  50. ” The political and social frame in my country are still very rough, dating scene is even harder”

    oh you want it to be easy lol…… even if in earlier times things were “easier” they weren’t really “easier” bud

  51. That thot is seriously deranged. She probably paid more for those than I paid for my new truck. She didn’t buy those because she wants them ignored.

  52. palma lol – I think her commercial realtor job is just a front for a world-wide smuggling ring of basketballs

  53. @Vulturul de Veghe

    Novaseeker is correct, the 80/20 ratio in attraction is not a cultural artifact. It’s the nature of women. Baked in the cake, so to speak. It is more obvious now that women (a) can control both conception and abortion (b) are free to live on their own, away from family and thus are exposed to a lot more men and (c) are even more exposed to men via social media. It’s not that they’ve changed, it’s that their world has changed.

    In your country 30 or more years ago, women knew only the men in their immediate neighborhood or apartment tower plus men at work. The 80 / 20 rule applied then, too, but only to the men that they could experience. So if there were 100 men in the social world of the average Romanian woman in 1987, she would be attracted to proabably 20 of them – they would be the most attractive to her within that grouping. Because radio, TV and film were tightly controlled that was pretty much their world. Women weren’t exposed to a whole world of men as they are now.

    I repeat for emphasis: the 80/20 rule exists inside women’s heads as an inborn feature. It’s just more obvious now because of the different world we live in. It’s not cultural.

    Big data from sites like OKCupid and now Tindr show the 80/20 attraction rule over and over again. 20% of the men get 80% of the “likes” on those sites. The founder of OKCupid was surprised by this, so much so that he published a little paper & included it his book. Most men in the US are totally unaware of this fact, because it is not in the interests of the FI that they should know.

    All this doesn’t mean that 80% of the men won’t have children at all, although Open Hypergamy will take us in that direction. It does mean just what Novaseeker said: each man must work on himself to be more of the 20% and less of the 80%. That’s also what Sentient and Blaximus are saying, in their own way.

    Vulturul, stop blackpilling yourself over some inbreeding fear; it’s not going to happen, and if it does you can’t stop it anyway. Focus on your self improvement, not on “if this goes on, oh noes!”, and once you are in a position where you have met even one of your goals, help another man to do the same.

  54. “She didn’t buy those because she wants them ignored.”

    After all, she can’t throw a shit fit at you for looking at them if you don’t notice them.

  55. EhIntellect
    AR, time for your sponge bath.

    Not that long ago you were in a bad situation and did not understand why. Having A Bad Day and other men were willing to help you avoid the full-on “guard-dog spinup”. You benefited quite a bit from the words of men on this site, and your FR’s have surely helped other men. If nothing else, they have to have made men laugh. Tie her up, then go eat ice cream? Great stuff!

    Now you’re turning into just another passive-aggressive, snarky, ankle-biter with nothing to contribute. Is that a real achievement to be proud of? Or just a lazy way to pretend you’re smarter than you really are?

  56. @Anonymous Reader

    ”Big data from sites like OKCupid and now Tindr show the 80/20 attraction rule over and over again. 20% of the men get 80% of the “likes” on those sites. The founder of OKCupid was surprised by this, so much so that he published a little paper & included it his book. Most men in the US are totally unaware of this fact, because it is not in the interests of the FI that they should know.”

    Of course that studies conducted in recent years show that imbalance in sexual marketplace. After all they were conducted in an environment with low quality men due to T levels dropping, blue pilled views of life, no game, feminist brainwashing and white-knight.

    But again, thats not the natural order of things. Without those external interventions we would have a completely different sexual marketplace.

    ”Focus on your self improvement, not on “if this goes on, oh noes!”, and once you are in a position where you have met even one of your goals, help another man to do the same.”

    Im trying bro 🙂
    Thanks for your advice and replies.

  57. Palmasailor
    There are two images and you need to click through to see it.

    University of BRISTOL, LOL!

    Note she doesnt want a conversation about her tits..

    Shit test. That kind of plastic work isn’t cheap.

    I mean how mentally ill is she?

    Pretty normal for her age these days. Unfortunately. Any pix of her face close up? Almost certain to have the 1,000 cock stare…

  58. re: being harsh on the youngsters:

    I’m a mewling kitten that hasn’t got it’s eyes open yet compared to how the world is going to treat these young men if I can’t get them to open their eyes.

  59. AR, true true.

    Look, I’m teasing him to be better. Vulturul and you can handle it. I know this.

    If I rah-rah’d my life or bloviated about r/k animal husbandry while everyone else is talking about how to better their lives, how effective would I be?

  60. @kfg
    The world is already treating them that way, plus slapping duct tape over their eyes before they even are opened.

    How many high school aged young men have you spent time with lately? “Zero tolerance” isn’t just a random phrase, and modern high schools don’t resemble minimum security prisons — with cops on site, even in flyover country – by chance.

    Yellling “Just open your eyes!” at someone who has been blindfolded might not work out all that well.

  61. @Palma

    Sheesh. I’m sure in her own mind she’s just an average girl looking for a nice guy, too…well, plus some travel and experience-collecting, sure, and maybe one more round on the carousel. Ok, two. Because YOLO or something.

    Sometime in the next 10 years I bet she goes back to surgery to get those things reduced.
    University of BRISTOL? University of Bristols more like it, lol!

  62. Unfortunately I dont have the necessary time to continue this conversation
    I never wanted to start a fight or to argue with anybody here, I was simply trying to make my point understood. I dont know if I succeded.

    I wish you all good luck! 🙂

  63. “But again, that’s not the natural order of things.”

    The order of things is contextual.

    “Without those external interventions we would have a completely different sexual marketplace.”

    And what would that look like? You are really not paying attention in class. You are stating that your so called natural order is how things ought to be, rather than how they are.

    Things have changed (for some). What are you going to do about that?

    Aaron Clarey wrote about changed circumstances and compared the current circumstances to Berlin in 1945 in the first Chapter of his Book Enjoy the Decline in the first Chapter Psychological adaptation.

    He noted sharing things in common with the shit show of 1945 Berlin:

    1. An environment that has changed on us rendering our previous plans impotent.
    2. A situation we are powerless to control (ed. from the top down…)
    3. A situation that requires we change our psychology to understand it.
    4. A situation that requires we change our behavior in order to make the best of it.

  64. those are also hair extensions… note the over-bleached lifelessness of the top third of her hair vs the shiny curls of her boob curtains

    the only thing real about her is that she’s real scary

    run, palma, run!!

  65. Is it just me, or is that girl not attractive in the least? Yeah, she has the “hot girl” mask on, but damn.

  66. “Yellling “Just open your eyes!” at someone who has been blindfolded might not work out all that well.”

    I understand fully, but sometimes you have to get their attention first. I don’t care for it, but there are a lot of things I don’t care for that aren’t going to go away.

    Speaking of which, our Eagle is basing a good deal of his “argument” on the Fallacy of Undesirable Consequences, without even properly defining the consequences.

    As I have a great grandfather who emigrated to the US from Romania, the Eagle and I are relatively close relatives. Go back several hundred years and all Europeans can find a common ancestor. Go back a bit further and the entire world outside of Africa was settled and civilized by a group of not less than 100 individuals, but not more than 300.

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