Disassembling ONEitis

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Just a personal note here; at the end of November I accepted a very lucrative promo contract for a large entertainment/gaming corporation. It should last me a while and keep me busy in several states this coming year. As if that weren’t enough, I also accepted a principal creative offer to add an additional brand to my portfolio (craft beer/ale) as of last week. Needless to say this will keep me busy throughout 2017.

Unfortunately, I had to cut short my sabbatical I was using to work on the third installment of The Rational Male. Progress is still moving apace, but I’ve moved my publishing date out to March of next year to give me time to settle into my new projects. I wont be taking any time away from the blog, but one benefit of my new gig is that it’s put me in such a position that I’ve been able to begin making the rounds again on my old forums (SoSuave) as well as the Red Pill sub on Reddit and a few others.

It was on the TRP subredd that I came across this post from The_Bitter_TruthIt gels pretty well with what I’ve been developing over last week so I thought I’d riff on it for a bit.

Recently I met my perfect 10. I was mesmerized by her beauty – I actually froze up in front of her during the middle of our first conversation (not typical of me). I am currently, and was at the time when we met, spinning plates (including my ONEitis), but for some reason I idolized this girl. Somewhere inside of me decided I had to have this girl. I wanted her more than anything. I fooled myself into thinking she was different, and I put her on a pedestal.

The ‘special little snowflake’ concept is a very old Red Pill cliché, but sometimes it’s worth returning to why these came about. One thing Blue Pill conditioning does for boys who will later become men is that, by default, it puts the feminine as the highest priority men need to have for their lives. One reason I stress men becoming their own mental point of origin is because they are taught from a very early age to replace their own imperatives as their first thought with those of women; in other words to pedestalize the feminine. They are conditioned to seek feminine approval, and in so doing, the reward that this approval represents becomes the gender-correct context through which boys and Blue Pill men are taught to filter their social interactions through.

Because the feminine is the ‘correct’ context in which men are raised, the natural, deductive, response with regard to intimacy is to place girls and women on the proverbial pedestal. I mentioned this dynamic a couple of posts ago, but the pedestal Blue Pill men refer to is a personal part of a much larger social pedestal upon which men are taught to put women on socially. The larger whole of Blue Pill conditioned society will later blame this pedestalization on individual men – being told their insecurities are due to their own deficits, a lack of confidence or a belief in themselves – when in fact they were raised and conditioned by a feminine-primary social order to default to this pedestalization. This default deference to pedestalizing women may indeed be something men must overcome in the long term scope of their lives, but make no mistake, it starts from a feminine-centric, feminine-correct upbringing.

Even for guys employing Game and dating non-exclusively, there at some point comes a ‘special’ One girl that embodies a deeply held Blue Pill idealism about the ‘perfect girl’ for him. Usually this girl meets the criteria for what he considers his ‘Genetic Celebrity‘, but as men mature they tend to modify this ideal based on what their conditioning has taught them qualifies as a ‘Quality Woman‘.

This occurrence is always a test for men who are Red Pill aware. Men’s own innate idealism is focused on outward possibilities; the hope for what can be. The problem is that this male idealism has always been a useful thumbscrew in conditioning men to accept a necessary deference to women, and this comes at a price.

Two Sides of ONEitis

One of two things generally happen for the Blue Pill guy who gets his wish and achieves intimacy with his ONEitis girl. He either defaults to supplication with her, or his ONEitis idealization of her is dispelled, and she and womankind are brought back down to earth to mingle with the mere mortals. It’s important to really understand what ONEitis really is; an unhealthy attachment to  an idealization. A lot of guys make the mistake of believing that if they’re “really in love” with their ONEitis everything is OK, but the fact is that guys wrapped up in ONEitis are committed to the belief in their idealized Dream Girl.

On the third date with my ONEitis we made dinner at my place, we watched a movie together, and we fucked for the first time. For the first time in a long time I was actually anxious (maybe even excited?) about having sex, as I had been idolizing and fantasizing over this girl for some time. Even though I was anxious I didn’t spill my beans and kept my cool, and gave her a fuck she’ll be hard pressed to forget – but I realized something when I was balls deep inside her: The sex isn’t that great and neither is she. At this point she’s no different than any other girl I’ve put into my bed who’s spread her legs for me. After I dumped my load inside her my head started to clear a little and I could see that this girl I had been worshiping isn’t any better than me, and I’m not a better person for fucking her. It doesn’t make me a better friend, Man, or XYZ because I put my dick in some girl I was fantasizing over.

In addition I started to notice her imperfections, a birth mark, nervous ticks, less than perfect qualities. In my mind I had painted her out to be this perfect angel – but that couldn’t be further from the truth. She was so attractive to me because she seemed out of reach, but now that I’ve had a taste I know it’s nothing special.

This is a good example of having the ONEitis ideal disillusioned for a guy. When PUA gurus tell you to think of a hot girl like she’s just another girl that mental state comes from replicating this disillusionment. Roissy had an excellent maxim in The 16 Commandments of Poon about this:

X. Ignore her beauty

The man who trains his mind to subdue the reward centers of his brain when reflecting upon a beautiful female face will magically transform his interactions with women. His apprehension and self-consciousness will melt away, paving the path for more honest and self-possessed interactions with the objects of his desire.…

Roissy even goes on to suggest guys stop using terms like ‘hot’ or ‘cute’ when referring to women (as well as to avoid complimenting women on their looks if you’re not sleeping with her) in order to put your head out of the conditioning that led to your idealization of what will become a ONEitis woman. Again, the idea is to come to the disillusionment state Bitter Truth is outlining here before you make an approach and before you move into any possibility of becoming monogamous with a girl who’s representative of an idealization.

Another way I was misleading myself is that I was using my ONEitis for validation – “If I can fuck this 10 then obviously I’m the perfect chad that I’ve always wanted to become.” I was looking for acceptance through someone else’s eyes, but when I finally got it – it didn’t change who I was as a person. Having a beautiful, young girl on your dick or around your finger may win the admiration of needy guys and make other girls jealous – but it doesn’t make you a better person.

I’ve covered the idea of men using sex for validation before, so I wont belabor it now. However, I will add that it is part of Blue Pill conditioning’s goal that men internalize the idea that their sexual imperative is inherently bad and, by a feminine-primary context, incorrect. Part of making men believe this is inculcating the idea that men seek to build their egos and their status up by having sex in popular culture. Part of this comes from the goal-centered nature of men being the sexual performers for women’s acceptance – further reinforced in a fem-centric social order – but beyond this, the sex-for-affirmation narrative is meant to diminish the legitimacy of men’s sexual strategies in favor of women’s socially correct sexual strategy (Hypergamy).

I hear and read even well-meaning Red Pill men who still promote this idea while tossing out “atta girls” for women aping men’s sexual imperatives themselves. The giveaway here is in Bitter Truth’s referring to his not ‘feeling like a better person’ for having banged his Dream Girl. His anticipation was that he would ‘be a better person’ for having been approved for, and consolidating on, sex with his ONEitis. Again, this comes back to the disillusionment I mention above, but it’s also the result of his being conditioned to believe that ‘all men have sex to build their egos, their status, and feel good about themselves’.

Feminine-primary society seeks to diminish men’s sexual agency, and the primary way of doing this is to turn it into a pathology. We see this all the time with regards to how feminism and the Feminine Imperative obfuscate and redefine conventional masculinity to fit its convenience. But with regards to men’s sexual imperatives, their strategy must be made a sickness or an ego flaw when they pursue it.

I’ve read a few posts on TRP about ONEitis. They’re usually written about the girl we can’t have, or the girl that’s out of reach. So maybe this can give a bit of a different perspective on the topic. Sometimes when things seem just out of reach we want them more because we can’t have them. Sometimes if we never see what she’s like up close, we’ll never be able to see through our ONEitis tinted lenses we’re viewing her with. She is just another girl. She’s not perfect, I just refused to see her as she really is. The only thing special about her is her looks – and she really doesn’t bring anything into my life except another hole to fill. The morning after her phone was blown up with messages from beta orbiters telling her good morning and asking her how her night was (great thanks to me, and thanks for asking). These guys were idolizing her the same way I was by putting this girl on a pedestal and refusing to see her as an equal (or less). They’re wasting their time. They don’t really know this girl, they just want the fantasy figure they’ve painted inside their minds.

This is a good observation, but the thing is that this ‘celebrity’ Dream Girl isn’t something they’ve painted in their heads of their own volition. Women’s Beta Orbiters are a persistent fact over generations now because it’s what they’ve been bred and raised to be. To be sure, most willingly create their own idealizations, but the seed is already there for them to water.

There’s an interesting paradox about this disillusionment. On one hand there is a certain emotional satisfaction that comes from believing in that Dream Girl ideal. It’s what inspires men to achievement, self-improvement and many great creative endeavors. But the idealization can become a trap. It becomes a comfort to believe in that Blue Pill Disney-wishes-can-come-true fantasy, and that fantasy transforms into a sweet vindication when a Blue Pill guy finally gets his Dream Girl. At that point his investment in that ideal girl is just as important as his capacity to sustain that relationship in a Blue Pill context.

These are the guys who get gobsmacked when their Dream Girl leaves them once they’ve determined that he’s not the Alpha dominant guy he’s sold himself as. Now, not only is he dealing with losing “the best girl he’s ever gotten”, he’s also confronting the truth that his Blue Pill conditioning and the ideals it’s bred into him have been false and a source of his own self-deception. Losing that ONEitis girl is compounded by his losing faith in his Blue Pill world.

So if you have a ONEitis you’re fantasizing over right now, take a quick moment and consider that she’s just a normal girl with above average looks (or just really good at putting on makeup). She has flaws and imperfections – you just haven’t known her long enough for them to come out, or you’re refusing to see them. Literally the only reason I wanted this girl was because of something that was completely irrelevant to who she is as a person – good genetics. She has flaws and insecurities just like any other girl. She’s not perfect and makes dumb choices. She’s just looking for her Chad – just like every other girl. “We see the world (girl), not as it (she) is, but as we are.”

Edit: I would like to stress the importance of spinning plates and having options. It has helped me greatly. Not only for the abundance mentality, but being able to compare her to my other plates has helped me put things into perspective – but having plates didn’t prevent me from developing ONEitis in this circumstance.

I did a fun post a while back called Show and Tell where I compared the pictures of made up and non-made up porn stars to illustrate the fantasy image men hold with the real-life ‘smell her farts’ reality of women. Most Blue Pill men will tell you that their idealizations are about the girl underneath all the make up. This is the idealization they are taught to believe is acceptable for women because it absolves women of having to qualify in any way for men’s sexually strategic approval. Holding standards for a woman’s looks, her weight or how she presents herself will always be conflated with sexual objectification of women. But when a Blue Pill guy finds his Unicorn she almost always qualifies for that status because of “who she really is”.

While it’s all well and good to keep a realistic perspective of a woman’s presentation, part of Blue Pill conditioning is promoting the idea that the women men ought to pedestalize should base that idealization on intrinsic rather than extrinsic factors. You will find that some of the most pathetic guys with ONEitis will often pine over some of the least physically attractive women. I’ve stood in wonderment over the weeping and gnashing of teeth Blue Pill guys will display over women whom they exceed in SMV by as much as 2 points.

That’s the ‘real’ ONEitis; when a guy who you know could easily do leagues better than his ONEitis girlfriend in the SMP is bawling over her, head in hands, because she’s his ‘One’. Looking at this from the outside we think ‘what the fuck man?’ and try to deductively reason with him about how much better he can do, but what we don’t wrap our heads around is that this guy was conditioned since his earliest years to believe that his ‘snowflake’ is unique in her intrinsic qualities.

Yes, there are guys who blow themselves up over HB 9s that they fantasize over obsessively, but for the vast majority of men (that is to say the Beta 80% of them) this fantasy remains just that, a fantasy. In fact, according to the book A Billion Wicked Thoughts most men reserve their sexual fantasies, and consciously limit their extent, for sexual encounters with women whom they believe are ‘attainable’ to them. This is one explanation for the rise in the popularity of amateur porn, but also, it’s because most men want to fantasize over what they believe might be possible for them to actualize.

I would argue that for most guys with ONEitis this comes as a result of their comparing what they believe their SMV is with the grossly over-inflated SMV value most average women apply to themselves. On average, and with the aid of connectivity and social media, most women presume their SMV value is greatly above that of men. This perception them filters down to the average guy and now you can understand why guys believe that their much lower SMV girlfriends are “the best girl they’ll ever get.”

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Boxcar
Boxcar
5 years ago

@Anonymous Reader ”Boxcar, in your opinion is the Madonna / whore issue Western men have inborn, or learned?” A man wants to commit to a woman who will be a slut for him, but not for other men. To judge the capacity for monogamy, we look at past behavior and make judgments accordingly. Woman know this, and will move more slowly with men that they have long term intentions with. @Agent P, you say that men who are disgusted by sluts are naive about the nature of women and/or unable to tame them. Yes, there are clueless BP guys and… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Rugby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x356ll3hTxg

Interesting look back to 1960, and the default view then that men where the ones who where always fooling around…

TuffLuv
TuffLuv
5 years ago

@ollie and @anon Thanks guys y’all are talking real sense. The ex (married 20 years), was also crazy in bed and baby crazy.. and yes it was an average 1 year recovery on the sex with each kid (not absent, just mediocre), and then she was back again.. it is true that the best sex comes from them wanting a kid.. The 30 year old, as stated has a superior libido.. she likes some things that make me say ‘it does not get better’. Anyway, noted, yes she wants babies.. I will point out that she’s at least sensible about… Read more »

mersonia
5 years ago

@Senty

“She is aroused by watching two men have sex, yes? How is she getting aroused without being attracted? Attraction is the key to everything sayeth ThePUA! ”

Dominance. She’ll be attracted but not to you.

She will be attracted to the male fucking you senty because he displays dominance which is always attractive. She wouldn’t have an increase in attraction in you for wanting to take dick up your booty hole (cuz dpa alpha).

Violence is Dominance over another So it’s a DHV when played right.

http://i.imgur.com/Pku5iLX.gif

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

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rugby11
5 years ago

Sentient
Nothing beats Billy wilder

Rollo kfg
“Sexy isn’t always slutty, but slutty is always sexy.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND1_Sc17SGE

Burden of performance

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Here’s a link that some men will find interesting:

http://www.thelocal.es/20170103/archers-to-the-rescue-in-madrid-as-boars-trespass

It is full of interesting facts: world wide, pigs are adapting to humans; bow hunting is illegal in England; France also uses archers to control wild pigs; some people want to somehow dose the wild Spanish pigs with contraceptives, while others want to put more wolves just outside of town.

So in case of TEOTWAKI, be ready to hunt pigs.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Mrs. Sonia

As to the experience of homosexual sex being dominant or submissive and all that… Well I will defer to your obvious experience in this instance.

But in terms of your communicating clearly, well you wont sound so garbled if you’d take Scray’s cock out yo mouth before speaking.

You quack me up!

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

The assimilation of youth rolls on. In the urology waiting room of all places.

National Geographic:

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/01/

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@novaseeker it was overturning a primal sexual strategy of the scarcer reproductive resource sex, The scarcest of all the reproductive groups are the top men (alphas), whether tribal chieftains or modern politicians/rockers/athletes. Women come next (hah), then betas last. It was the strategy of the alphas to share their reproductive access with betas so as to secure the cooperation of the betas. Women had no say in the matter. Women didn’t get to choose until civilization happened. Saying “no” or fucking the neighbor might have resulted in a mortal blow or at least getting knocked across the cave. Pussy is… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

”Boxcar, in your opinion is the Madonna / whore issue Western men have inborn, or learned?”

Boxcar
,i>A man wants to commit to a woman who will be a slut for him, but not for other men. To judge the capacity for monogamy, we look at past behavior and make judgments accordingly. Woman know this, and will move more slowly with men that they have long term intentions with.

You didn’t answer the question I asked. Try again?
In your opinion, is this inborn or learned?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Boxcar
But I find it hard to imagine that there are any men who truly don’t judge female promiscuity at all.

The limits on your imagination are not the same thing as limits on reality.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Tufflove

While I agree a man should back up his wife, she resorted to lies and history rewriting in order to win any argument, and I just couldn’t sell out my boys that way (because I knew she was lying)…don’t really know the answer.

Separate the parties and talk to them separately AFTER they have calmed down. Been there, done that, recently.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago


“There’s nothing about obsession that is biological or positive in nature.”

Boxcar
It may not be entirely positive, from a man’s perspective, but it is positive from the perspective of evolution.

Ok, tell us a Just So story that confirms Oneitis as being a positive from an evo-psych perspective.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“So in case of TEOTWAKI, be ready to hunt pigs.” I’m still a bit north of the feral line around these parts, but that just means I’ve had some time to prepare the defense. As my primary hunting itch these days is control of invasive species I will consider the arrival of the pigs as TEOTWAKI itself. Among my preparations is already having a butcher lined up who will convert them into kielbasa and bratwurst for me. Before I am done I expect the pigs to call me “The Hammer” and make their children behave by telling them I will… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Rollo

Again, it’s not promiscuity that men are averse to, it’s paternal uncertainty and wasted investment in helping to raise a child not his own

Also STDs and associated infertility, health issues, & death, which health issues often show in a woman’s appearance. Of course, promiscuity is totally unassociated with these things.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@kfg

anything bigger than can be dealt with with a .177 airgun

Yeah, not sure if even the Germans or Koreans make a .177 that reaches 1500 fps. I haven’t looked at air guns in years.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Book club:
What do women want: Adventures in the science of female desire by Daniel Bergner makes a dandy compantion to Nancy Friday’s reports on female sexual fantasies. Bergner’s style of writing is meandering-journolist but he does include details on the Canadian research that showed so many truths, including “women can be sexually excited by video of just about any sexual nature”, and “women lie about their N, always”.

I should get some extra copies, to lend to men who are ready to learn about women’s real nature.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ TuffLuv I’m enjoying your comments, but you should tread lightly. Judging by what you profess, you are starting to project onto the woman because of the feelz. This can result in an awful miscalculation on your part imo. I’ve caught myself at this juncture a few times in life, when I’d decided to remain single for a foreseeable future and had met a chick that was just delightful and she had me reconsidering. Remember always that AWALT by degrees and that no matter what, she’s just a girl….another girl. There’s no harm, no foul, in enjoying a particular woman.… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Sentient
Look at this from Ollie a scant few minutes ago your woman is a demon in the sack … Demon…

So?

It’s not a difference in words, it’s one of worldview. Dog’s worldview are different… Tomato, Potato.

Ollie’s worldview doesn’t describe reality. Right? So why point to him?

Toh-may-to and toh-mah-toh, which is correct? Both. You say one, I say the other, what’s the diff beyond WOOF WOOF! anyway?

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@wala

There’s nothing about obsession that is biological or positive in nature.”

Autism, anyone? (Autists often consider their ability to focus as a kind of super power.)

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@AR:

You can now get a Chinese, $100 .177 springer from Walmart that’ll do 1200 fps with a 5 grain (while busting itself apart), but the aerodynamics still go to shit at anything above 900 and at the sound barrier the motion becomes essentially random. But it impresses the shit out of the teenage boys who are the primary market.

At the same power the ballistics and penetration (the relative lack of it) actually makes a .22 safer in “sensitive” environment, but arms laws have never really been based on sense.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Tuffluv the problems came when two things happened.. my boys grew into teenagers, exceeded her emotional maturity and began asserting themselves. While I agree a man should back up his wife, she resorted to lies and history rewriting in order to win any argument, and I just couldn’t sell out my boys that way (because I knew she was lying). This caused chaos, and no amount of self control can counter that situ.. don’t really know the answer. In other words, your ex couldn’t handle teenaged boys, and resorted to manipulating both them and you as a means to control… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Here is an example of Oneitis from a musical:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0udu4KYv1zI

Men who change their lives just to be able to walk by some girl’s house are way too deep into Oneitis for their own good. TuffLuv, is this you?

walawala
walawala
5 years ago

@Tuffluv “”Back to oneitis.. here’s the thing.. I’m still fairly hooked on the 5.5, and I can’t leave her alone. EVEN though, I still don’t want to give her what she wants.. I still have this feeling we were meant for each other.”” Is your Oneitis “justified”? Here’s the better question: Who does this plain woman represent to you? a 5.5? Your mom? Your Grandmother? Some sister or aunt who raised you and didn’t represent any sort of competition, who didn’t judge you, who accepted you? Someone you didn’t have to work hard to “win”? “”1. She is dynamite in… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

In the world of Courtly Love, which still echoes to this day, a man would strive mightily just to gain a tiny token of his Lady Fair’s approval. A ribbon, or a flower, or a lock of her hair.

Yes, a lock of her hair…

SFC Ton
5 years ago

I do love pig hunting, with two pit bulls and a good knife or pistol.

though .45-70’s and 300 Winmags are fun as hell too…. something very satisfying about that .45-70.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

The thing is, there are millions and millions of chicks that can be/are straight up and honest and forthright. I too find this attractive in a woman. But those women aren’t especially rare, and definitely never special. This is why a single man who might indeed be ” looking ” for a gal of his own of sorts, MUST jettison the duds quickly ( bang ’em if that’s what’s up tho…). Catch and release.You set your own standards and keep looking until you’ve found a couple of prospects. If any one of them doesn’t work out, it’s no big deal.… Read more »

Boxcar
Boxcar
5 years ago

@Rollo I agree that men avoid promiscuous women for long term relationships, while happily having sex with any available woman. The two are not mutually exclusive. But I think you are parsing men’s judgement of promiscuous women in a way that is inconsistent with men’s actual emotional experience. If I describe your sister (or other close female that is not a sexual prospect of yours) as a slut, that’s always going to be seen as a judgement on her character. We can go through hundreds of years of sexual equalism brainwashing and that will not change. @Anon Men want a… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

@kfg In the Museum of Hunting & FIshing in Munich there are a number of excellent exhibits. Or there were as of a few years back, anyway. Airguns and boar spears galore. The central Europeans developed airguns to an amazing degree in the 18th and 19th century. Brass / wood / steel / leather maybe a piece of rubber. Probably round ball 1 turn in 48″, 35 to 40 caliber, a lot like Pennsy Dutch muzzle loading squirrel guns, but quieter. Surely much quieter. Legend has it Napoleon’s troops hated the Austro-German forest skirmishers because they used airguns. One exhibited… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Ton though .45-70’s and 300 Winmags are fun as hell too…. something very satisfying about that .45-70. I’ve read about pig hunting in France, in the forests along the Rhone. It was driven hunting: hunters sit in a tree-stand or other elevated hide, and people / dogs drive the pigs through the woods. The cartridge of choice? 45-70, because it works and because of French law that bans “military” calibers for civvy ownership. I don’t know if they still do that. It would be effete but fun to go stay in some rural French hotel and go shoot boars out… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Before civilization . . .”

. . . men and women did not live together as bonded pairs in single family houses.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Boxcar Men want a LTR with a woman who is sexually eager for them, but not having sex with other men. All of this is inborn. Hmm. How do you explain all the blue pilled Betas who willingly marry a single mother? There would have been an evolutionary advantage for maintaining a strong commitment to a woman, who does not have sex with other men. What would that advantage be? Before civilization, women would have been quite vulnerable when they are bringing a child into the world. So only one man would be able to care for her? Sure about… Read more »

SFC Ton
5 years ago

Typical? 200 ish pounds
500 pounders get harvested semi regularly

Which has been the case every where I have hunted pigs.

.45- 70 is a well regarded round.
When I was talking to guides in Africa everyone of them said it was a good choice for any critter we’d run across.

Does seem to take the wind out of bears and pigs. One day I’ll see how it stacks up vs a cape buffalo.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“In the Museum of Hunting & FIshing in Munich there are a number of excellent exhibits.” Missed that one. If I ever go back and it survives the war, again, I’ll have to check it out. I admit to an inordinate fondness for airguns. With today’s technology I don’t see that they really make sense at much above 20 ft/lbs, but now and then I find myself coveting one of those Korean .357/9mm jobs. At a price that could maybe get you a pre-64 Model 70 in working shooter condition. And I don’t want to talk about why I don’t… Read more »

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
5 years ago

Ton though .45-70’s and 300 Winmags are fun as hell too…. something very satisfying about that .45-70. I’ve read about pig hunting in France, in the forests along the Rhone. It was driven hunting: hunters sit in a tree-stand or other elevated hide, and people / dogs drive the pigs through the woods. The cartridge of choice? 45-70, because it works and because of French law that bans “military” calibers for civvy ownership. In Texas you can shoot them from helos with the right license. In Hawaii they hunt mostly on the ground level (knife or spear for the truly… Read more »

Boxcar
Boxcar
5 years ago

@Rollo “Insulting my sister for being a slut doesn’t change 10,000 years of evolution.” I am not sure I follow. My point was, why would you even be offended by someone describing your sister as being promiscuous, if aversion to promiscuity was based only on “paternal uncertainty and wasted investment in helping to raise a child not his own,” as you described? It seems like there is a general judgement against promiscuous women, even if it does not enter into our calculus when we are pursing women for sex alone. @Anon “Hmm. How do you explain all the blue pilled… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“It seems like there is a general judgement against promiscuous women . . .”

Now we include the possibility of having to live with them as a bonded pair in a single family house.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Ton
.45-70
Does seem to take the wind out of bears and pigs. One day I’ll see how it stacks up vs a cape buffalo.

It’s what many Alakans carry in grizzly country as a stopping carbine. Buffalo Bore makes a very serious load that uses small rifle primers due to pressure. Probably would not be good for any old Trapdoors, though.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Rollo @asd, men’s sexual response evolved for one purpose, to proliferate. Understanding what an STD is came along way after it developed. Uh, no? Bacteria mutate much, much, MUCH faster than humans. Orders of magnitude faster. So, STDs were likely around with a year of humans, primates, or whatever you want to specify. And many are transferable between distant species…sheep & apes, for example Not trying to be obnoxious, but I know quite a bit about biology, tho never having obtained a degree in it…I was premed. I’ve also kept up a bit. What has been learned about cell biology… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Lost Patrol
I’m surprised by Frenchmen using .45-70.

Yeah, me too. But the French government allegedly still classifies 8mm WW I cartridges as “military”, so maybe there’s a regulatory reason. I’ve read the claim that 7mm-08 originated in France because .308 Win is “military”, but the same case necked down from 7.62mm to 7mm isn’t. Go figure.

I always thought of it as the preferred caliber of American men born 100 years later than they should have been.

And American men who are outdoors in bear country in Alaska.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“So, STDs were likely around with a year of humans, primates, or whatever you want to specify.”

I believe that Rollo was talking about conscious understanding that fucking can make you sick. Maybe years after the fact before symptoms become troublesome.

Certainly people were getting STDs long before they were aware of the existence of bacteria, but, like pregnancy, they didn’t know what caused them.

SFC Ton
5 years ago

LOL I have hunted hogs in Hawaii and Texas. NC and Texas…. hogs are unregulated so you can kill them however you want as long as the weapon is legal but 2 Pit Bulls ( chase and a hopd dog) and a knife is fairly common way to hunt hogs everywhere I’ve hunted them. Mostly the South East but the best eating hog I have taken was out of a pineapple field on the way to Wa MI lailu or some such. Poached that fucker good but she was young and fat off those pineapples I am starting to favor… Read more »

SFC Ton
5 years ago

LOL my 45-70 is a Marlin.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Rollo

Understanding what an STD is came along way after it developed.

I see now that I didn’t get your meaning earlier. It would have been an evolutionary advantage to be able to distinguish based on appearances, between women who were fertile and healthy and those who weren’t. Something about men’s vision systems and our focus on beauty (as signs of health and fertility).

theasdgamer
5 years ago

Yup Rollo we are designed to kill and fuck.

I think it’s “farm & fuck”. Killing for food is just another way of farming. Maybe something about making shelters, too. What part of riding motorcycles is about killing or fucking…it’s just the simple pleasure of the ride.

SFC Ton
5 years ago

Human’s were killing each other and prey before farming came about

fleezer
fleezer
5 years ago

“If men are averse to promiscuous women it’s a social adaptation, and one that operates in spite of men’s natural sexual responses.” agree. there are few things I enjoy more than taking a good piss. the idea that just one bad choice with a woman could ruin that for me is enough to make me think very hard about where I put my cock. the fact that my balls are always drained helps a lot. If I didn’t get my daily bj+ I would probably fuck just about anything that moved and I guarantee I would be riddled with STDs… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“What part of riding motorcycles is about killing or fucking…”

Speed is victory.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@kfg

Certainly people were getting STDs long before they were aware of the existence of bacteria, but, like pregnancy, they didn’t know what caused them.

People didn’t have to understand disease causes to know to avoid people with diseases. Smell plays a role as well as visual cues.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@ton

Human’s were killing each other and prey before farming came about

I’ll take God’s side on that question. Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.

SFC Ton
5 years ago

Mobility combined with fire power is the most lethal thing around

Mongolian horse archers, tanks….. ah 64’s….. same concept. Different technologies

But Gamer is trying to play smart guy. He knows the answers but doesn’t want to think things through

fleezer
fleezer
5 years ago

“Mongolian horse archers”

the great Khan never built a house. he was always on the move. it was his stupid kids that got the idea to build some castles and fill them with the treasures their father had amassed. that was the beginning of the end for them

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

“Speed is victory.” And what does victory represent primally to a man? The essential masculine ecstasy is in the moment of release from constraint. This could occur when facing death and living through it, succeeding in (and thus being released from) your purpose, and in competition (which is ritual threat of death). The masculine is always seeking release from constraint into freedom. The feminine often doesn’t understand these masculine ways and needs. If a man disowns his dark masculine desire for freedom, then he kinks the hose of his masculine force. His energy will not flow freely, and his attention… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@ton

But Gamer is trying to play smart guy. He knows the answers but doesn’t want to think things through

I’m just fucking around…killing time

fleezer
fleezer
5 years ago

“The feminine often doesn’t understand these masculine ways and needs.” agree. but sometimes it does. the other day I came home to find a wilderness survival manual, several backcountry hiking books and a book about the buddha before he had his sangha. a woman will leave very clear signs that she is plugged in to a man’s m.o. and wants him to continue on his journey unfettered. upon seeing these signs, a man should move ahead with his plan without saying thanks and when it’s convenient, continue to look for an even more dedicated and useful woman to add to… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Fleezer Agreed. That is the whole goal of red pill awareness and game (natural or learned mastery) in a man’s modern day sexual strategy. Just because the feminine doesn’t always understand these masculine ways and needs, he can still guide her (in his masculine Frame). So she just gets it. People want perfection. Perfection will never be had, but it is still the goal. It helps to be with women that have: Beauty, sexual openness, trust of your direction, support for your vision, and healthy radiance. It helps if you as a man have: Presence, strength, passion, direction and humor.… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

It helps if you as a man have: Presence, strength, passion, direction and humor. (Kinda sounds like Sentient’s DPA with Amused Mastery thrown in doesn’t it?)

+1

And patience…a shitload of patience like you’re dealing with a bratty kid sister

fleezer
fleezer
5 years ago

“It helps if you as a man have: Presence, strength, passion, direction and humor. (Kinda sounds like Sentient’s DPA with Amused Mastery thrown in doesn’t it?)”

this is the kind of stuff that really helps me. Positive vibes. I feel toxic as fuck sometimes and I know I want to be more like the older guys here. more stable. less emotional. and definitely more rational. and I’m starting to understand Rollo’s approach of not offering prescriptions. I thought of him today when I heard Hunter’s great line; “his job is to shed light, not to master”

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

SFC Ton: Yup Rollo we are designed to kill and fuck. The point of life is to reproduce it’s self. Nothing more, nothing less. Part of why I don’t get into the “deeper” conversations And this is the stuff that really helps me. Shakes me out of my intellectualism and makes me just want to go and do. Acta, non Verba. In my realm, my field I cannot do without the constant vigilance, mindfulness and intellectualism. And I won’t do without it ever. But there are times where it is un-necessary. The Ton and Fleezer comments are a good balance… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

The H.L. Menken type of figurative thoughts: “Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.” )

Who said it’s figurative? My hands and clothes and pickup were really bloody on Thanksgiving morning. A buck’s blood, but still quite real.

rugby11
5 years ago

“Insulting my sister for being a slut doesn’t change 10,000 years of evolution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ9-rvy9oqI

T-Rex doesn’t want to be fed, he want’s to hunt. Social adaptation can repress this by order of degree, but the operative reality we exist in is everybody wants some.”

rugby11
5 years ago

The beauty of life.

Their may be no one but it always helps to have a dance partner.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

“Who said it’s figurative?” Shhh! There is no fight club. http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/Derm95/20161001_132040_zpsf73rmou1.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/Derm95/20161001_155653_zpsrw2dsgex.jpg Hey, how come nobody ever recommended Matt Ridley’s The Red Queen book here? I can’t put it down. It’s terribly engaging. @ASDgamer Here’s an excerpt: Just as human nature is the same everywhere, so it is recognizably the same as it was in the past: A Shakespeare play is about motives and predicaments and feelings and personalities that are instantly familiar. Falstaff’s bombast, Iago’s cunning, Leontes’s jealousy, Rosalind’s strength, and Malvolio’s embarrassment have not changed in four hundred years. Shakespeare was writing about the same human nature that… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Hey, how come nobody ever recommended Matt Ridley’s The Red Queen book here?”

Well, I haven’t jumped up and down screaming, “Hey guys, ya gotta read this!,” but I’ve pointed a finger at it once or thrice.

cheupez
5 years ago

@fleezer
“No one over 22, no one over size 4, no one with a boyfriend…”

I do not want to appear to be trying to pee on your campfire, but with those girls you have no idea who else she is fucking. For real.

It is safer to just not be so sure.

Höllenhund
5 years ago

@Novaseeker As far as the allure of lesbian porn is concerned, this is relevant: I think that more than anything else, what slash and girl-on-girl porn represent women and men (respectively) trying to dispel their anxieties about the opposite sex. I think that most men are secretly (or openly) afraid that women don’t like sex and only view it as a bargaining chip to get what they want out of males (companionship, emotional and physical support, or babies). Women are afraid that men only want them for sex and thus view emotional support of females mainly as a chore that… Read more »

gregg
gregg
5 years ago

This illusion is not about being a “beta guy”, its about being a man. Man is a reproductive servant of woman and due to this first rule, his brain has to produce illusions and one itis. Otherwise he WILL NOT promise to one woman that he will provide, protect and live for her. Otherwise he would not die protecting her when necessary. Normal manly brain is hardwired to serve feminine. There is a minority of men that usually do not suffer from this “disease”. Psychopaths. These guys have limited projections, they view woman as a tool for them. In this… Read more »

If-I-Fell
If-I-Fell
5 years ago

@SJF In reference to the Chapter 37 quote, I am glad that Deida’s writings are meaningful to you, and as this is an open forum, you should post as you see fit. However, I do not share your opinion that Deida is red pill. The whole “be ready to kill or die for your woman” is very, very blue pill. My interpretation of the red pill and Rollo’s writings is more in line with a quote from Rush’s song Anthem: Live for yourself — there’s no one else More worth living for Begging hands and bleeding hearts will Only cry… Read more »

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
5 years ago

Off topic – watched “Passengers” movie couple nights ago – painful seeing this thru a red pill lens.

SFC Ton
5 years ago

I think guys being into the girl girl stuff has more to about the girls being so horny they do anything…. sort of like how he is 80% of the time. It’s a topic I have never thought about much and I live with 2 women. I was deliberate in setting this up, mostly built on common sense red pill shit but it’s also very much part of my huge ass ego and the drive to do what other men won’t. Taking AMOG’ing the world to the next level. Which is why I do a lot of what I do.… Read more »

SFC Ton
5 years ago

Most men see women as a human being, embodying the noble qualities, somebody to make them complete
………..

Then most men are dumbasses

Women can be wonderful, mine are joys but they are so because they have been properly broken and submit to my frame….. because I do not treat them like an equal on any level which brings stillness to a woman like nothing else.

They don’t complete me, I am complete on my own. They enhance my life for sure but make you complete thing is the dumbest shit i’ve read since “women abhor violence”

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Ton

because they have been properly broken and submit to my frame

You might not like Shakespeare’s plays, but you have applied the wisdom in The Taming of the Shrew.

I do not treat them like an equal on any level

Sometimes it’s hard to find our blind spots…like how we might view a woman as an equal on some level…I wonder that about myself…it can cause problems in relationships with women…I try to treat women I know like a beloved, bratty kid sister…no matter how old or young they are

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

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SFC Ton
5 years ago

It’s not rhetoric
Women are to be conquered and ruled over.

Completely different world view then blue bill or red pill

rugby11
5 years ago

Completely different world view then blue bill or red pill

Reb
Reb
5 years ago

Rollo is correct to point out that PUAs who do not accept the Red Pill are on a path of self-destruction. Let them go I say. Feminism is an evil that only the insane and weak among us fail to accept as reality and fail to do his or her part to fight.

Men such as Rollo have been warning them for years and they laughed at him. Now the Devil laughs at them in the darkness.

SFC Ton
5 years ago

Was going to watch that video but it’s 6 minutes long.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@ton

Was going to watch that video but it’s 6 minutes long.

Takes too much time away from fuckin and killin XD

rugby11
5 years ago

SFC Ton theasdgamer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYvhnjqXc1U
Ok Fine hows half as a recap?

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@If-I-Fell Deida is proto-red pill. Nothing that 15 subsequent years of manosphere red pill awareness can’t clean up if you read it in that new clearer light. He easily sets the premise in earlier chapters for a man’s Mental Point of Origin being in his own frame. He never couched it as: “be ready to kill or die for your woman”. At all. He describes man’s ultimate ecstasy as victory and release from constraint. What a man does with that or his relationship is up to him. The Chapter you are referring to is under the category of A Man’s… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

@ fleezer

“I feel toxic as fuck sometimes and I know I want to be more like the older guys here. more stable. less emotional. and definitely more rational.”

Honest question: Would your relationship dynamic change if you chilled? Sounds like you have personal satisfaction as is.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@ Rollo I was being facetious about not having mentioned The Red Queen. I knew it makes the basis for much of your Mindset about biological impulses in men and women that trump free will. I had it on the back shelf of my computer for too long without reading it. The first chapter also mirrors SFC Ton’s mental point of origin as to normal operative impulses. Interesting that you started out the Environmental Stresses essay with this: “If you listen to my seminar lecture from the Man in Demand conference from last year (sidebar)… . After being up late… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@ fleezer

“I feel toxic as fuck sometimes and I know I want to be more like the older guys here. more stable. less emotional. and definitely more rational.”

I’m not so certain that Fleezer wasn’t being facetious.

Pellaeon
Pellaeon
5 years ago

“Keep in mind that lesbians in porn are entirely different animals from actual, self-avowed lesbians. When you’re watching 2 or 3 girls go after it on Pornhub you have to know why that specific sex act/fantasy is being portrayed and it ain’t because real lesbians want to do the same. It’s because that’s what guys get off on.” Yeah I don’t think lesbian porn really needs much more to explain it than the fact that female bodies are arousing to men. You get more smooth tits and ass and less hairy ball sack. Not that the other stuff might not… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

: “I was being facetious about not having mentioned The Red Queen.”

Oh. Well . . .

SFC Ton
5 years ago

I was going to watch that video but it’s 3 minutes long.

Really I can’t stand watching TV. At the point now I watch MMA on fast forward.

fleezer
fleezer
5 years ago

“I do not want to appear to be trying to pee on your campfire” please do as this is one of the only places I’ve found where it’s allowed and encouraged. plus, fires are easily rebuilt. “Sometimes it’s hard to find our blind spots…like how we might view a woman as an equal on some level…” had this happen to me recently. a friend’s wife gave birth premature and I went to see the baby in the nicu. he was in one of those incubators called the giraffe or something like that. I was not at all comfortable being there… Read more »

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
5 years ago

Well, you’re in the right place then. No pulled-punches.

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@Fleezer: “but kfg really makes me think . . .”

Sorry ’bout that. Nasty habit.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@ton

At the point now I watch MMA on fast forward.

I scroll past your posts on ff. hah

MikePhil
MikePhil
5 years ago

The best way to overcome ONEitis is to have your ONE kick your still-beating heart out of your chest. If it doesn’t work the first time, you may have to shower, rinse and repeat a few times to get the point. I used to be that guy. And once I got the point, after my ONE cheated on me, there was no going back. In hindsight, that pain I experienced was a Band Aid getting ripped off my mind and eyes; it was the best thing that ever happened to me, other than discovering Rollo’s work. Never pedestalize women; they’ll… Read more »

SFC Ton
5 years ago

Speed reading? Nice

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

” Never pedestalize women; they’ll resent you for it.”

…. that’s what I’ve been sayin’

SFC Ton
5 years ago

Yeah but you’re an old dude and don’t know shit……………………………..

S
S
5 years ago

whenever you are confused and conflicted by a woman, just remember the sermon by the good Reverend… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugf6Aug2oEM Preach Rev… When your little lady just won’t treat you right And your friends are asking why you fuss and fight Sometimes you’re on the edge of letting go Sometimes she up and calls you so and so When you just can’t take no more Say you’re headed for the store And be the longest gonest man she never did not found no more When your lady takes to steppin’ out at night And your friends are asking where she’s been all… Read more »

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