Disassembling ONEitis

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Just a personal note here; at the end of November I accepted a very lucrative promo contract for a large entertainment/gaming corporation. It should last me a while and keep me busy in several states this coming year. As if that weren’t enough, I also accepted a principal creative offer to add an additional brand to my portfolio (craft beer/ale) as of last week. Needless to say this will keep me busy throughout 2017.

Unfortunately, I had to cut short my sabbatical I was using to work on the third installment of The Rational Male. Progress is still moving apace, but I’ve moved my publishing date out to March of next year to give me time to settle into my new projects. I wont be taking any time away from the blog, but one benefit of my new gig is that it’s put me in such a position that I’ve been able to begin making the rounds again on my old forums (SoSuave) as well as the Red Pill sub on Reddit and a few others.

It was on the TRP subredd that I came across this post from The_Bitter_TruthIt gels pretty well with what I’ve been developing over last week so I thought I’d riff on it for a bit.

Recently I met my perfect 10. I was mesmerized by her beauty – I actually froze up in front of her during the middle of our first conversation (not typical of me). I am currently, and was at the time when we met, spinning plates (including my ONEitis), but for some reason I idolized this girl. Somewhere inside of me decided I had to have this girl. I wanted her more than anything. I fooled myself into thinking she was different, and I put her on a pedestal.

The ‘special little snowflake’ concept is a very old Red Pill cliché, but sometimes it’s worth returning to why these came about. One thing Blue Pill conditioning does for boys who will later become men is that, by default, it puts the feminine as the highest priority men need to have for their lives. One reason I stress men becoming their own mental point of origin is because they are taught from a very early age to replace their own imperatives as their first thought with those of women; in other words to pedestalize the feminine. They are conditioned to seek feminine approval, and in so doing, the reward that this approval represents becomes the gender-correct context through which boys and Blue Pill men are taught to filter their social interactions through.

Because the feminine is the ‘correct’ context in which men are raised, the natural, deductive, response with regard to intimacy is to place girls and women on the proverbial pedestal. I mentioned this dynamic a couple of posts ago, but the pedestal Blue Pill men refer to is a personal part of a much larger social pedestal upon which men are taught to put women on socially. The larger whole of Blue Pill conditioned society will later blame this pedestalization on individual men – being told their insecurities are due to their own deficits, a lack of confidence or a belief in themselves – when in fact they were raised and conditioned by a feminine-primary social order to default to this pedestalization. This default deference to pedestalizing women may indeed be something men must overcome in the long term scope of their lives, but make no mistake, it starts from a feminine-centric, feminine-correct upbringing.

Even for guys employing Game and dating non-exclusively, there at some point comes a ‘special’ One girl that embodies a deeply held Blue Pill idealism about the ‘perfect girl’ for him. Usually this girl meets the criteria for what he considers his ‘Genetic Celebrity‘, but as men mature they tend to modify this ideal based on what their conditioning has taught them qualifies as a ‘Quality Woman‘.

This occurrence is always a test for men who are Red Pill aware. Men’s own innate idealism is focused on outward possibilities; the hope for what can be. The problem is that this male idealism has always been a useful thumbscrew in conditioning men to accept a necessary deference to women, and this comes at a price.

Two Sides of ONEitis

One of two things generally happen for the Blue Pill guy who gets his wish and achieves intimacy with his ONEitis girl. He either defaults to supplication with her, or his ONEitis idealization of her is dispelled, and she and womankind are brought back down to earth to mingle with the mere mortals. It’s important to really understand what ONEitis really is; an unhealthy attachment to  an idealization. A lot of guys make the mistake of believing that if they’re “really in love” with their ONEitis everything is OK, but the fact is that guys wrapped up in ONEitis are committed to the belief in their idealized Dream Girl.

On the third date with my ONEitis we made dinner at my place, we watched a movie together, and we fucked for the first time. For the first time in a long time I was actually anxious (maybe even excited?) about having sex, as I had been idolizing and fantasizing over this girl for some time. Even though I was anxious I didn’t spill my beans and kept my cool, and gave her a fuck she’ll be hard pressed to forget – but I realized something when I was balls deep inside her: The sex isn’t that great and neither is she. At this point she’s no different than any other girl I’ve put into my bed who’s spread her legs for me. After I dumped my load inside her my head started to clear a little and I could see that this girl I had been worshiping isn’t any better than me, and I’m not a better person for fucking her. It doesn’t make me a better friend, Man, or XYZ because I put my dick in some girl I was fantasizing over.

In addition I started to notice her imperfections, a birth mark, nervous ticks, less than perfect qualities. In my mind I had painted her out to be this perfect angel – but that couldn’t be further from the truth. She was so attractive to me because she seemed out of reach, but now that I’ve had a taste I know it’s nothing special.

This is a good example of having the ONEitis ideal disillusioned for a guy. When PUA gurus tell you to think of a hot girl like she’s just another girl that mental state comes from replicating this disillusionment. Roissy had an excellent maxim in The 16 Commandments of Poon about this:

X. Ignore her beauty

The man who trains his mind to subdue the reward centers of his brain when reflecting upon a beautiful female face will magically transform his interactions with women. His apprehension and self-consciousness will melt away, paving the path for more honest and self-possessed interactions with the objects of his desire.…

Roissy even goes on to suggest guys stop using terms like ‘hot’ or ‘cute’ when referring to women (as well as to avoid complimenting women on their looks if you’re not sleeping with her) in order to put your head out of the conditioning that led to your idealization of what will become a ONEitis woman. Again, the idea is to come to the disillusionment state Bitter Truth is outlining here before you make an approach and before you move into any possibility of becoming monogamous with a girl who’s representative of an idealization.

Another way I was misleading myself is that I was using my ONEitis for validation – “If I can fuck this 10 then obviously I’m the perfect chad that I’ve always wanted to become.” I was looking for acceptance through someone else’s eyes, but when I finally got it – it didn’t change who I was as a person. Having a beautiful, young girl on your dick or around your finger may win the admiration of needy guys and make other girls jealous – but it doesn’t make you a better person.

I’ve covered the idea of men using sex for validation before, so I wont belabor it now. However, I will add that it is part of Blue Pill conditioning’s goal that men internalize the idea that their sexual imperative is inherently bad and, by a feminine-primary context, incorrect. Part of making men believe this is inculcating the idea that men seek to build their egos and their status up by having sex in popular culture. Part of this comes from the goal-centered nature of men being the sexual performers for women’s acceptance – further reinforced in a fem-centric social order – but beyond this, the sex-for-affirmation narrative is meant to diminish the legitimacy of men’s sexual strategies in favor of women’s socially correct sexual strategy (Hypergamy).

I hear and read even well-meaning Red Pill men who still promote this idea while tossing out “atta girls” for women aping men’s sexual imperatives themselves. The giveaway here is in Bitter Truth’s referring to his not ‘feeling like a better person’ for having banged his Dream Girl. His anticipation was that he would ‘be a better person’ for having been approved for, and consolidating on, sex with his ONEitis. Again, this comes back to the disillusionment I mention above, but it’s also the result of his being conditioned to believe that ‘all men have sex to build their egos, their status, and feel good about themselves’.

Feminine-primary society seeks to diminish men’s sexual agency, and the primary way of doing this is to turn it into a pathology. We see this all the time with regards to how feminism and the Feminine Imperative obfuscate and redefine conventional masculinity to fit its convenience. But with regards to men’s sexual imperatives, their strategy must be made a sickness or an ego flaw when they pursue it.

I’ve read a few posts on TRP about ONEitis. They’re usually written about the girl we can’t have, or the girl that’s out of reach. So maybe this can give a bit of a different perspective on the topic. Sometimes when things seem just out of reach we want them more because we can’t have them. Sometimes if we never see what she’s like up close, we’ll never be able to see through our ONEitis tinted lenses we’re viewing her with. She is just another girl. She’s not perfect, I just refused to see her as she really is. The only thing special about her is her looks – and she really doesn’t bring anything into my life except another hole to fill. The morning after her phone was blown up with messages from beta orbiters telling her good morning and asking her how her night was (great thanks to me, and thanks for asking). These guys were idolizing her the same way I was by putting this girl on a pedestal and refusing to see her as an equal (or less). They’re wasting their time. They don’t really know this girl, they just want the fantasy figure they’ve painted inside their minds.

This is a good observation, but the thing is that this ‘celebrity’ Dream Girl isn’t something they’ve painted in their heads of their own volition. Women’s Beta Orbiters are a persistent fact over generations now because it’s what they’ve been bred and raised to be. To be sure, most willingly create their own idealizations, but the seed is already there for them to water.

There’s an interesting paradox about this disillusionment. On one hand there is a certain emotional satisfaction that comes from believing in that Dream Girl ideal. It’s what inspires men to achievement, self-improvement and many great creative endeavors. But the idealization can become a trap. It becomes a comfort to believe in that Blue Pill Disney-wishes-can-come-true fantasy, and that fantasy transforms into a sweet vindication when a Blue Pill guy finally gets his Dream Girl. At that point his investment in that ideal girl is just as important as his capacity to sustain that relationship in a Blue Pill context.

These are the guys who get gobsmacked when their Dream Girl leaves them once they’ve determined that he’s not the Alpha dominant guy he’s sold himself as. Now, not only is he dealing with losing “the best girl he’s ever gotten”, he’s also confronting the truth that his Blue Pill conditioning and the ideals it’s bred into him have been false and a source of his own self-deception. Losing that ONEitis girl is compounded by his losing faith in his Blue Pill world.

So if you have a ONEitis you’re fantasizing over right now, take a quick moment and consider that she’s just a normal girl with above average looks (or just really good at putting on makeup). She has flaws and imperfections – you just haven’t known her long enough for them to come out, or you’re refusing to see them. Literally the only reason I wanted this girl was because of something that was completely irrelevant to who she is as a person – good genetics. She has flaws and insecurities just like any other girl. She’s not perfect and makes dumb choices. She’s just looking for her Chad – just like every other girl. “We see the world (girl), not as it (she) is, but as we are.”

Edit: I would like to stress the importance of spinning plates and having options. It has helped me greatly. Not only for the abundance mentality, but being able to compare her to my other plates has helped me put things into perspective – but having plates didn’t prevent me from developing ONEitis in this circumstance.

I did a fun post a while back called Show and Tell where I compared the pictures of made up and non-made up porn stars to illustrate the fantasy image men hold with the real-life ‘smell her farts’ reality of women. Most Blue Pill men will tell you that their idealizations are about the girl underneath all the make up. This is the idealization they are taught to believe is acceptable for women because it absolves women of having to qualify in any way for men’s sexually strategic approval. Holding standards for a woman’s looks, her weight or how she presents herself will always be conflated with sexual objectification of women. But when a Blue Pill guy finds his Unicorn she almost always qualifies for that status because of “who she really is”.

While it’s all well and good to keep a realistic perspective of a woman’s presentation, part of Blue Pill conditioning is promoting the idea that the women men ought to pedestalize should base that idealization on intrinsic rather than extrinsic factors. You will find that some of the most pathetic guys with ONEitis will often pine over some of the least physically attractive women. I’ve stood in wonderment over the weeping and gnashing of teeth Blue Pill guys will display over women whom they exceed in SMV by as much as 2 points.

That’s the ‘real’ ONEitis; when a guy who you know could easily do leagues better than his ONEitis girlfriend in the SMP is bawling over her, head in hands, because she’s his ‘One’. Looking at this from the outside we think ‘what the fuck man?’ and try to deductively reason with him about how much better he can do, but what we don’t wrap our heads around is that this guy was conditioned since his earliest years to believe that his ‘snowflake’ is unique in her intrinsic qualities.

Yes, there are guys who blow themselves up over HB 9s that they fantasize over obsessively, but for the vast majority of men (that is to say the Beta 80% of them) this fantasy remains just that, a fantasy. In fact, according to the book A Billion Wicked Thoughts most men reserve their sexual fantasies, and consciously limit their extent, for sexual encounters with women whom they believe are ‘attainable’ to them. This is one explanation for the rise in the popularity of amateur porn, but also, it’s because most men want to fantasize over what they believe might be possible for them to actualize.

I would argue that for most guys with ONEitis this comes as a result of their comparing what they believe their SMV is with the grossly over-inflated SMV value most average women apply to themselves. On average, and with the aid of connectivity and social media, most women presume their SMV value is greatly above that of men. This perception them filters down to the average guy and now you can understand why guys believe that their much lower SMV girlfriends are “the best girl they’ll ever get.”

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SJB
SJB
5 years ago

@Rollo: Entitlement? Perhaps. Maybe consumerism and envy: mashing economic classes in to a high school the girls, to be part of the herd, must resort to off brand and are lauded for who pays the least. On the other hand, the girl knows it’s off-brand and envies those who can afford full price.

However I’ve not read what you read so don’t have a leg to stand on.

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
5 years ago

@Sentient

“Crab basketing”. Bingo. Being a fan of animal documentaries I thought of that scene later as similar to herd behavior of African elephants. But there is no good catchphrase for that, and besides – elephants tend to display a little more class towards one another.

Joe Ego
5 years ago

“These are the guys who get gobsmacked when their Dream Girl leaves them once they’ve determined that he’s not the Alpha dominant guy he’s sold himself as. Now, not only is he dealing with losing “the best girl he’s ever gotten”, he’s also confronting the truth that his Blue Pill conditioning and the ideals it’s bred into him have been false and a source of his own self-deception. Losing that ONEitis girl is compounded by his losing faith in his Blue Pill world.” Many men don’t lose faith in the Blue Pill world, but in themselves. The programming is so… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
5 years ago

@cheupez “Me love ONEitis. I want a woman I like more than just any other one out there. It is not the most beautiful woman that makes me feel like this. It is something subtle about them, almost imperceptible, something about them that I cant describe. I don’t mind the casual fucks I pick at clubs and have no use for after the act. But me loves me a ONEitis type now and then. However, I do not believe that there are men who have this feeling for ONLY ONE WOMAN.” What you are describing is not oneitis. What you… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
5 years ago

Make no mistake in comprehending the power of this desperation. Desperation in another can be used to your advantage very significantly. It provides motivation you do not have to engender. That motivation can be very powerful and long lasting. I do not intend to make this seem like it is easy. Such endeavors require sensitivity, tactfulness and an artful ability. However, all the motivation is there and all you have to do is gently artfully guide and stimulate it so the other will slave to your advantage. If you embody the object of their desperation, it is quite easy to… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
5 years ago

There is no reason to feel guilt or shame about the forgoing comment. Guilt is nothing more than self loathing, self vilification, self denigration and self subjugation to another or others.

Note that guilt is a very constant and primarily prevalent concept conditioned into us from an extremely early age, beginning before our memories develop. We are taught to feel guilty and shame ourselves for things because that’s the way it “should” be. But should it? Who should decide what should and shouldn’t be?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Rollo
If you read women’s comments on RPW or RP wives subs, or the spinsters on some Purple Pill life coaching blogs it’s like they can’t believe men don’t already know they should be optimizing Hypergamy for them without any qualifying on their part to merit it.

“Just get it” v. 2.0

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Cheupez and NBTM Agree with NBTM, One-itis by Rollo’s definition is an unhealthy psychological dependency. Cheupez is more describing a healthy sort of focus on a woman. The difference is that the One-itis guy depends on reciprocation, whereas Cheupez’s description does not necessarily require that reciprocation (with outcome independence and abundance mentality in play) and does involve clear thinking. There is another term for this called Limerance. “Limerence has been defined by one writer as “an involuntary interpersonal state that involves intrusive, obsessive, and compulsive thoughts, feelings, and behaviors that are contingent on perceived emotional reciprocation from the object of… Read more »

mersonia
5 years ago

@SJF “Things were not actually different for him back then, than PUA today. Technology distances possibilities for interpersonal relationships, but evo-psych dictates that emotions and intellect really haven’t changed much in 60,000 years. With the manosphere these days, tactics are at your fingertips. The same tactics for masculine strategy that were always there since the old days.” The Diamond Core Principles that are attractive to women never change baby. Masculine Strategy does over time. “I think that your ending to the Quality Women essay got it right and Mersonia totally didn’t understand it in the last post. It’s not a… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

From a different POV, my ex-wife was my OneItis. Long after I knew what a cunt she actually was. All about my ego being invested in having a super-hot wife. It was actually a buffer against my low self-esteem as she was “social proof” of my value and merit. I never got that she wasn’t an actual accomplishment. There was no other prize or special payoff to fucking and marrying the prom/homecoming queen. She was just another fucking gash… I read @SJF’s comment above with great interest. Makes much more sense to me now, you were a spergy natural of… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Scribbler “I read @SJF’s comment above with great interest. Makes much more sense to me now, you were a spergy natural of sorts when younger. And good looking. And then you became more Beta as I did. It’s just so clear that the social conditioning regarding what a “good man” is has the intent of making men subservient. And the harder we “try”, the worse it gets. It’s an existential mindfuck.” Just to clarify how I see it, it was social conditioning and female manipulation by my wife (with the social conditioning as as tailwind) that Betatized me. Her imperative… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

ONEitis *Phase 1: A man meets a woman. He finds this woman very attractive. The two of them hit it off nicely, maybe go on a few dates. Maybe they have sex, maybe not. This woman is on this man’s mind a lot. An awful lot. The man may find it difficult to remove her from his thoughts for any length of time. The man starts to consider some kind of relationship with the woman – something more exclusive, and possibly a LTR. This is all pretty stock stuff until the man starts to notice that other women are becoming… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Ummm…that should read ” To Paraphrase Rollo Tomassi “

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Blaximus Your exposition is about a man being passive and ignorant of red pill awareness. TRM and Rollo Tomassi’s stuff is about being proactive about thwarting the female imperative to betatize the guy. The trick is for the guy not to be ignorant about the female imperative. The fact is the females are much more skilled at advancing their directives that a man will ever be in light of Feminism and social conventions. That was the the crux of the grand debates with YaRally about transitioning to older life with potential children. The woman have Young Single Guys by the… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

Blaximus Mind if i close the window? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WRLqzGkzNw “He has reached a well travelled fork in the road of life. If he can manage to hang in there and fight through the pain, he very well have learned a valuable lesson. Pain is a great way to learn to stop doing something….for most sane men. Eventually he will look back on this time and have a laugh. We can only hope. Hopefully, he will pull himself together and fulfill his biological requirements without enslaving his mind to any female ever again. If he were to repeat these phases in order… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

From my aforementioned link:

You never want to be in a position where you are chasing or begging a woman. Not only is that a pathetic position for a man to find himself in, but any shred of sexual attraction that had remained in the woman will be completely destroyed by such actions.

Lost Patrol
Lost Patrol
5 years ago

Blaximus writes a chapter of my biography, ages 12-21. I got better – but I can still remember every single one of them.

Just Saying
Just Saying
5 years ago

They’re usually written about the girl we can’t have I guess that is why in the last 40+ years I’ve never had a case of oneitis – I choose from the women that are available if they are acceptable to me, and if not, I work on ways to increase my access to the types of women I enjoy the most, young, fun, attractive, available, etc. To that end, I have worked to increase my access to those types of women, and since I have access to them, there is never a drive for oneitis. Now that the holidays are… Read more »

cheupez
5 years ago

@Blax I think I am going back to year one material and chew on it some more. I assumed ONEitis is a feeling you get for particular woman, the feeling you get for a woman when your dick is screaming after her. From your description ONEitis mostly applies to WHAT A MAN DOES when his dick is screaming after a woman. What a man does when his dick starts screaming after a woman varies from one man to the next. Some men decide that this woman is the only one the in the world that their dick screams after, and… Read more »

PA
PA
5 years ago

A helpful way for a Blue Piller to see his oneitis from the outside-in: All women are interchangeable, there is nothing magical about any one girl… except — if she loves you. The love she gives you makes her “special.” If she stops loving you, she is no longer special and if she never did, she never was.

stuffinbox
5 years ago

I look at oneitis as a mental state,An ideal based on crawling back into the womb and an obsession for one woman that represents this happily ever after ideal. It is possible to have a oneitis obsession while spinning plates at the same time,or just a series of ONS while having a steady squeeze that represents this perfect fantasy “ideal”. I had this oneitis thing with actually for this cheerleader chick,while at the same time banging the waitres’s at work,the chick at the concert,taking two older women one under each arm to the movies,chasing a couple of old girlfriends and… Read more »

rationalityf
5 years ago

I am so grateful for Rollo Tomassi and the Rational Male for helping me so much to do better with women. Its only been a few months but its paying dividends. I think my Red Pill awakening was slightly softer than many others as I was outraged at being friendzoned by an ex who was making all the right noises, I think just to flatter herself. We had been apart for a year but I was utterly bewildered by the dating scene until that point. Due to my experience and understanding what is driving the social conditioning to pull men… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Cheupez and your Screaming Dick – Yes, my dick screams too.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@rationalityf Careful with that last paragraph. That could be characterized as an existential fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existential_fallacy The existential fallacy, is a formal fallacy. In the existential fallacy, we presuppose that a class has members when we are not supposed to do so; that is, when we should not assume existential import. One example would be: “Every unicorn definitely has a horn on its forehead”. It does not imply that there are any unicorns at all in the world, and thus it cannot be assumed that, if the statement is true, somewhere there is a unicorn in the world (with a horn… Read more »

stuffinbox
5 years ago

” Surely we have to have Oneitis as its a biological function to settle down with the best available woman because if we dont have it then we will end up living lonely lives as mayfly type relationships are not fulfilling in the long term.”

Surely we must kill the delusion of oneitis to realize our biological function,of a woman for every cave,and plenty of extra women to do the dirty work..Else we end up alone surrounded by our families.

rationalityf
5 years ago

@SJF Many thanks. I want to move more into the Red Pill discussion scene away from politics, I hope to add insight and some points. But I am new to this area, After successful plate spinning I have been seeing someone who perhaps isnt the brightest girl ever but she just shines due to lack of feminist indoctrination and perceived entitlement. She responds very femininely to my masculinity (which I rediscovered thanks to Tomassi and Roger Devlin) which just feeds off each other positively. Its early days but isnt seeking out women who are least corrupted the way to go?… Read more »

SFC Ton
5 years ago

I reckon oneitis is more about fear

The man fears he can’t find better a better bitch or can’t even find a new bitch of equal value to the current bitch

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

“Its early days but isnt seeking out women who are least corrupted the way to go?” Yes, it is proper to seek out feminine women to be in equilibrium with your masculinity (rather than masculine women with their own agenda). It is proper for you as a man to have qualities women want: Presence, strength, passion, direction and humor. It is proper for a man to select a woman with qualities he wants: Beauty, sexual openness, trust of your direction, support for your vision, and healthy radiance. And I don’t disagree with your goal directed monogamy raising children in F.… Read more »

rationalityf
5 years ago

@SJF I plan to get into this a lot more and there is much to read. I used to listen to the MGTOW stuff before I met the friendzoning ex and then I gave up on it due to thinking NAWALT. That mindset cost me dear but of course this sort of thing can only be learned by trauma. Thanks. I want to try an approach these comments with concern for women as an increasing amount are becoming lonely bitter women. This is not good for society and I feel sorry for them as they were betrayed (as were we).… Read more »

rationalityf
5 years ago

@stuffinabox

‘Else we end up alone surrounded by our families.’

Isnt the decline of the family the general purpose of turning women into selfish retards?

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

I want to try an approach these comments with concern for women as an increasing amount are becoming lonely bitter women. This is not good for society and I feel sorry for them as they were betrayed (as were we). Women have been manipulated to act like this for a reason. I thought so. Be forewarned: that is not the role of this place in the manosphere. The Red Pill is a bottoms up approach to individual and collective men’s strategy. It is not the role of The Red Pill to be our sisters keeper or to work from the… Read more »

rationalityf
5 years ago

Message received and understood. I appreciate your response. I have no wish to troll or annoy posters. I just wish for a better society. The dating scene is a complete nightmare and leaving many unfulfilled. Is there anywhere I can discuss such matters?

Honestly I take Red Pill philosophy very seriously and I expect it will be a factor for the rest of my life. I’m just glad it wasnt too late and I wasnt seriously damaged by the delusion.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

Rollo in Our Sister’s Keeper: “…Pragmatism doesn’t have time for how things should be. You make the best play with what’s in front of you.” ….In my own estimate Hypergamy isn’t inherently bad or good – it just depends on whether you find yourself on the sharp end of it. ….Hypergamy is pragmatic, but it’s also inherently duplicitous. It’s unjust and unforgivable to a guy who doesn’t measure up to his burden of performance. When you consider the War Brides dynamic it’s downright reprehensible, but we have to also consider the pragmatism in that dynamic. From a male perspective we… Read more »

rationalityf
5 years ago

I know this isnt a political blog but isnt the fault of runaway hypergamy the fault of TPTB that have unleashed uncontrollable women for their own purposes? It would be hoped that the increasing unhappiness both men and women feel towards each other, would want them to welcome a patriarchal society?

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

The dating scene is a complete nightmare and leaving many unfulfilled. Is there anywhere I can discuss such matters? You can discuss those matters here, but The Red Pill is not a support group for failed Blue Pill Idealism. It is a goal determined praxeology for masculine self-improvement and enlightened self interest. With Awareness and Acceptance of How Things Are to improve masculine strategy (including sexual strategy and beyond). It is not ideology. 90% of Red Pill is making you as a man better, not trying to repair the deficits of the Feminine Imperative (it’s not them, it’s you…) It… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Blax

Ummm…that should read ” To Paraphrase Rollo Tomassi “

To Pastryface Rollo Tomassi. Got it. Thanks, Slip Mahoney. (I amuse myself.)

Reminds me, Rollo deserves a Roast.

@Rollo

Congrats on your new opportunities!

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

“It would be hoped that the increasing unhappiness both men and women feel towards each other, would want them to welcome a patriarchal society?”

If you’ve paid attention the last 50 years, it is evident that Feminism and The Powers That Be in the Feminine Imperative and Matrix Hivemind have long ago pickled that cucumber. It is up to you and your bottoms up approach to do something about that for yourself.

F. Roger Devlin’s writings can only go so far in giving you a script to work off of.

rationalityf
5 years ago

Thanks. Just to conclude on a positive note, it is NYE after all and time to be going out soon, I just want to say how Red Pill philosophy has helped so much with women Im not dating such as at work and adapting to this feminised world that just bewildered me before. I now have much better relationships as I have a better insight to how they think which prompts me to conduct myself in a positive masculine manner which they love.

stuffinbox
5 years ago

@F/rationality “Isnt the decline of the family the general purpose of turning women into selfish retards?” Or maybe the decline in the family,is both caused by womens natural propensity to be selfish,and the retards that believe in egalitarianism? @Ton Fear would seem to be a definite factor,mainly for the inexperienced one woman only men. Oneitis stems from a deeper root imaturity coupled with a mass hype of happily ever after bill of goods being jambed in between our ears from an early age.Then take into account the sex sells comercialism of the perfect woman all wraped up into a vision… Read more »

rationalityf
5 years ago

@SJF ‘If you’ve paid attention the last 50 years, it is evident that Feminism and The Powers That Be in the Feminine Imperative and Matrix Hivemind have long ago pickled that cucumber. It is up to you and your bottoms up approach to do something about that for yourself.’ Isnt there a movement within women’s circles that recognises how they have been screwed over to the detriment of men and society? If more women were aware of how their hypergamous and pickiness traits have been exploited (in the same way we recognise how our altruism has been exploited) then wouldnt… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@rationality At some point we have to settle down with the right woman 1. Who says? 2. Isn’t “The Right Woman” ™ just another name for Oneitis? There are many “right women” who MIGHT be Ok in a LTR. 3. If you are planning on entering a LTR with a woman, bear in mind that women must be trained or they will shit on the carpet. The Immortal Bard’s “The Taming of the Shrew” is the manual. 4. You must always spin plates after a fashion in order to keep a woman’s interest…not necessarily banging them, but always flirting and… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

The dating scene is a complete nightmare and leaving many unfulfilled.

Please explain. Do you mean the supposed abundance of Post-Wall cat ladies? The incel men?

For alphas and the vast majority of young women, the dating scene is a cornucopia of pleasure.

Single women can find jobs in HR and other clerical occupations. The state will help Babymommas.

Betas get to be courtfucked in divorce. (I think I just created a brilliant name for what happens to betas in divorce.)

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

“Isnt there a movement within women’s circles that recognises how they have been screwed over to the detriment of men and society? Well there is Laura Schlessinger PhD., for one, and she’s been talking about it for 40 years on the radio. Problem is when the solipsism hits the fan, women still collectively will seek out their own interests over the interests of a collective of men. (Even while calling out women on their foolish antics, Dr. Laura still advocates for women’s interests primarily). That is the sisterhood’s imperative. Movement’s within women’s circles will always defer to their own collective… Read more »

Joe K
Joe K
5 years ago

@SFC Ton

I had thought you were a monogamous OMG.

You are on fire in this thread, man. Excellent shit. Everybody oughta reread all his comments. It’s the truth.

And ya, fuck Facebook. It’s fucking faggot bullshit for thirsty orbiter simps. Nothing more.

rationalityf
5 years ago

@asdgamer 1. Families are finite. Over time we lose the bonds and in normal times this would be replicated with the new generation. This replication isnt happening and my strategy is to ensure long term support. I dont think we’re designed to live alone forever. It doesnt suit me. 2. The right woman is the one we choose to settle down with (due to wanting to start a family) who is the least likely to give you any problems or leave you. 3. I couldnt agree more. The least indoctrinated women are the best to be with and respond well… Read more »

Tam the Bam
Tam the Bam
5 years ago

“Isn’t there a movement within women’s circles that recognises how they have been screwed over to the detriment of men and society? “
Indeed, there seems to be a nascent mood to that effect.
But only among a very few, educated, old and ugly ones who have some vestiges of self-awareness, I’m afraid.
I’m out.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

stuffinbox
Oneitis can be looking for “the one”,trying to keep”the one”,trying to change her into “the one”,fear of losing”the one”,it all seems to boil down to NAWALT,unicorn type thinking.

Pretty much. For some subcultures take all that and add “soul mate” myth to it, an extreme form of unicorn thinking. Men being the true romantics, we are more prone to fall for that stuff.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

rationalityf Isnt there a movement within women’s circles that recognises how they have been screwed over to the detriment of men and society? Nah. There are some individual women who have decided “whoa, this is going too far!”, they tend to be people personally affected. LIke the 2nd stage Colorado feminist who was upset when her own son was arrested on an arguably false rape charge. Or the over 40 women who realize that maybe “all men are rapists” wasn’t quite true. The aging Boomer bitches living alone in their 60’s who now realize that frivorce they filed 15 years… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Joe K I had thought you were a monogamous OMG. Dude, you really need to read more carefully. Ton doesn’t comment here much and doesn’t use many words when he does. Also if you learn how to use a search engine, you can learn even more about people. And ya, fuck Facebook. It’s fucking faggot bullshit for thirsty orbiter simps. Nothing more. Far as I can tell, the only thing millennial girls use Facebook for is to communicate with their parents and grandparents & run beta orbiter farms. So I pretty much cosign this. PS: Far as I can tell,… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

I vote for RationalityF as most likely to go all Cypher-like after dabbling in Red Pill Adventures. (disclosure: Relax, that is just a mild shit test welcoming you into our group of red pill discussants.) http://matrix.wikia.com/wiki/Cypher @RationalityF Here is a book recommendation for you: Practical Female Psychology: For the Practical Man Kindle Edition by Joseph South (Author), David Clare (Author), Franco (Author) https://www.amazon.com/Practical-Female-Psychology-Man-ebook/dp/B00RR6RNO6/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8 Cover blurb: “Practical Female Psychology for the Practical Man is a unique examination of women and relationships in an era of material equality between the sexes. Despite vast gains in the welfare of women, especially in the… Read more »

Joe K
Joe K
5 years ago

@Palmasailor

The disconnect between the irrational degree of self-worth women project and their deeply known sense of how little they offer a man (see also SFC Tons 1st comment) – I think comes down to 2 things:

1) Macchiavellian auto pilot emotional warfare

2) Men today, writ large, don’t call them out on how little value they’re worth.

cheupez
5 years ago

@Scrib Hahahaaaa… Happy new year big bro. @All Happy new year! >>> If hypergamy is what it took to get us here (evolutionary speaking) then long live hypergamy. I dont know any man who has delt with women who has not encountered its sharp edge in some form or other. Even Brad Pitt of all the alpha fucktards out there am sure has chanted a few sorrowful psalms quietly in his toilet, alone, as he reminisced about that sharp edge. (Sorry for putting it like that Brad in case you read TRM and are reading this….) I know I have… Read more »

Roy Hobbs
Roy Hobbs
5 years ago

Re: JoeK- men don’t call them out on worth… Why bother? Would she behave any differently? The guy would just be adding fuel to a drama-fire. The hamster would rationalize it away and the projection would resume. I tend to agree with you re their deeper self-sense of little to offer, but IME, it’s relative- they need only look around at the other women it their social circle(s) to gauge their attributes & offerings. E.g. Single Sally doesn’t cook, Single Susie doesnt cook, Barb only cooks cuz she’s married (and even then only does so when her husband can’t), so… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@Rationality:

Looking in from the outside I do not think you are quite so undamaged as you appear to think you are looking out from the inside.

In particular, in a world of more than 7 billion people, defining “alone” as not having the presence of one particular person who must be a woman seems a tad peculiar.

And as for the TPTB thinking that they are using women for their own purposes and unleashing hypergamy without restraint in the process:

Hypergamy . . . wait for it . . . wait for it . . . DOESN’T CARE.

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@rationality The dating scene is a nightmare for me because of the amount of cancelled dates as there is no requirement to keep to schedule through Tinder, I have seen exactly three women flake on me and one had a good reason and apologized. One apologized and cancelled a day in advance. The third I ignored because she wouldn’t apologize and denied setting a date. The third did not like no longer having an option with me. Enforce your boundaries. Don’t use tinder. Do cold approach and make a strong impression. a lot of women with completely unrealistic ambitions, just… Read more »

Joe K
Joe K
5 years ago

@Roy

That actually broadens my point (her looking at single Suzy and Sally 81st al)-

They aren’t just socialized (nurture) to believe men are wussbags, they’re also socialized to believe men are stupid….too stupid to register this disconnect.

So there are a whole bunch of new nurture factors that are fucking up nature’s truly gender neutral procreative imperative.

Ironically, or perhaps by design, every such skewing nurture-based factor of late is about building “her” up and tearing “him” down.

You can call them out via ghosting too, of course.

SFC Ton
5 years ago

The dating scene is a nightmare for me because of the amount of cancelled dates as there is no requirement to keep to schedule through Tinder,
…………..

Always double book.

Joe K
Joe K
5 years ago

@Not Born This Morning “Modern human life disrespects nature’s imperative, survival of the fittest, strongest, smartest and least inhibited. “Civilization” is about preserving all individuals, respecting all individuals; even to the extent of coddling the weak and malformed, to the detriment of the strong and healthy. Ultimately this may not be best for the survival humans. All other species are not subject to this dilemma. All others are purely subject to the “lawlessness” of nature. Based on personal fear and insecurity, “morality” attempts to sell a false trump of natures imperative. “Morality” is at best a con job, its net… Read more »

walawala
walawala
5 years ago

“”The dating scene is a nightmare for me because of the amount of cancelled dates as there is no requirement to keep to schedule through Tinder””

Pick times and dates that are flexible enough that if a girl cancels your night isn’t a write off. I usually pick mid week days so if the girl flakes it’s just an early mid-week night, not a write off.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Another aspect of One-ietis that bears mentioning: it kills widowers far too often. Compare that to the number of widows who go on for years. Friends in the medical world have told me more than once of some man who just fades away in a matter of months or even weeks after his wife dies. It’s doubly tough on the family to lose both parents in such a short period of time. It also once again shows how men tend to be the true romantics. It may seem paradoxical, but a truly tough man will be able to work through… Read more »

cheupez
5 years ago

“Pick times and dates that are flexible enough that if a girl cancels your night isn’t a write off. I usually pick mid week days so if the girl flakes it’s just an early mid-week night, not a write off.”

Great advice.

Also line up a standby date. If one flakes, take the other out.

IAS
IAS
5 years ago

@Rollo: good post (as usual).

@Everyone: Happy 2017.

anon
anon
5 years ago

‘Another aspect of One-ietis that bears mentioning: it kills widowers far too often.
Compare that to the number of widows who go on for years. Friends in the medical world have told me more than once of some man who just fades away in a matter of months or even weeks after his wife dies. It’s doubly tough on the family to lose both parents in such a short period of time. It also once again shows how men tend to be the true romantics.”

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/18/us/doug-flutie-parents-died/

ollieoxenfree1
ollieoxenfree1
5 years ago

SFC TON “As we all know, chicks crave being some dudes oneitis… then despies him for falling in love with a dumb cunt like herself. Despite their bluffs women know they dont offer much so any guy who settles for her cant be much.” and Lost Patrol “She will ALWAYS fail to develop into something more, because we (you, me, plenty of other commenters) have already run her out to the max end of the scale in our minds. There is nowhere to go but down.” SFC TON summed up the reason why I will be a bachelor for the… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

Give a good new year everyone. I appreciate destroying and created myself with all of you.

Shiva
5 years ago

Mostly agree with what Rollo has written, but he missed one thing. Eg: King David did fell for Bathsehba, Prince Paris did for Helen of troy(mythology). Chinese kings have been routinely seduced and controlled by mistresses sent by other kings. There was no blue pill conditioning in those days. Powerful men have been falling for oneitis for thousands of years across all cultures. These men were alphas of alpha, they had best of harems and options. Yet, walked into their own destruction. Today even with red pill assimilated in your blood, there can always be a moment where you might… Read more »

Shiva
5 years ago

“Other’s have tried what you propose in comments and it has not gone over well. Best you read a fair amount and observe the 38th Law of Power: Think as you like but behave like others until you actually digest how deep the Red Pill goes. There is a reason for that, as you will soon discover. You are entitled to your opinions, just not 60,000 years of evolutionary and behavioral psychology that have been observed to still apply today (via the manosphere in the last 15 years). Ideology talks, Praxeology does,” Acquisition of status is a sure shot way… Read more »

ollieoxenfree1
ollieoxenfree1
5 years ago

@Shiva Two excellent posts. I think a part of ONEtis is rooted in man’s need for meaning. He elevates his own base desires into a virtue. Making his desires, about more than just himself. Another thought is, it’s a subconscious acknowledgment of a prominent genetic trait our own bloodline doesn’t have or can’t manifest. Obviously this realisation would have to occur prior to coupling, as chemicals released at that time, could be attributable to the fixation. “But biologically ain’t it the case that – the organism has to accomplish something(resourceful or creative) for the tribe – then he receives social… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Shiva Yet, walked into their own destruction. Women have destroyed powerful men for eons. +1 While Sandman had talked about social capital accumulation years ago , I am not sure why Rollo focuses more on Frame and less on accomplishments. I do agree Frame reflects self confidence of a man. Bad shit happens but your identity is capital that cannot be taken away from you. Frame comes from your understanding of your identity. Social capital comes and goes, but your identity is constant. I agree that it is good to accumulate social capital, although Frame causes other people to GIVE… Read more »

stuffinbox
5 years ago

@AR Yes the good old soulmate myth,cheese louise it is so prominent it even passes spellcheck. And is the biggest bunch of hogwash I could barely bring myself to type it. Every man I have known to fall for this one,loses his direction,winds up working three jobs or so while at the same time being told he is mistreating her or some such.Then when he finally blows a gasket she takes half and moves on to her next eternal ,this life,the past life,and for all future lives,the one the only lucky lucky man,the very next “soulmate”. Aint it grand we… Read more »

Joe K
Joe K
5 years ago

@Rugby

The Jordan Peterson video is chilling.

Watch how he establishes the masculine as ‘the individual’ and the feminine as ‘the group’ earlier in the video, and then….

Watch 12:45-14:15 where he totally breaks down…

And then substitute in the very terms that he establishes, and realize what he’s actually saying…

Then at 14:20 it’s like he catches himself, and drifts back into the ‘safety’ of an ‘equalization of the genders’ argument which will be at least marginally palatable to his feminist academic peers. Sad. All of it.

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago
Reply to  Rollo Tomassi

Rollo
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YnEFt20qe0o
Last ten minutes is concerning.
Niko seems to have gone monk mode.

mersonia
5 years ago

“Women have destroyed powerful men for eons. +1”

Nah… Powerful men have destroyed their selves for eons.

The root of the problem wasnt the womminz

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

I’ve written a lot about online dates flaking here back when I was doing it more actively. Flaking rates for first dates in the 50-80% range, and it’s getting more and more to where they won’t even tell you and be apologetic, they’ll just flake and ghost. As someone said above – don’t schedule first dates on prime weekend nights. Always double or triple book, and have something else to do (sarging with your wings or whatever) that you can do if no one turns up. (Actually if you can manage it, double or triple book them two or three… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

Oh, and Happy New Year guys – I think it’s gonna be a good one.

Is This Thing On?
Is This Thing On?
5 years ago

Here is a great encapsulation of Oneitis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VdnEQVBPIw “Magdelena” Overcome by your Moving temple Overcome by this Holiest of altars So pure So rare To witness such an earthly goddess That I’ve lost my self control Beyond compelled to throw this dollar down before your Holiest of altars I’d sell My soul My self-esteem a dollar at a time One chance One kiss One taste of you my magdalena I bear witness To this place, this prayer, so long forgotten So pure So rare To witness such an earthly goddess That I’d sell My soul My self-esteem a dollar at… Read more »

Is This Thing On?
Is This Thing On?
5 years ago

Have you all heard of Tyler Kost? My take on him is he is a bit of a natural alpha. It would seem he played in too small of a pond however. As the FI grows in strength, I fear even the red pill won’t be able to save a man. I’m curious to get this groups take on this poor dumb bastard. By the way, the kid is still in jail. The bond thing mentioned in this article didn’t work out for some reason.

http://mensviews.com/tyler-kost-a-falsely-accused-teen-finally-gets-bail-after-700-days-in-jail-pinal-county-attorney-lando-voyles-office-hid-damming-evidence/

https://www.facebook.com/freetylerkost/

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

***WARNING Thread HiJack Coming*** So what do you do when long game brings the fish into the boat? HB9 update: She’s acting like a girlfriend now. Wants to drive 220 miles to come take care of me when sick. It’s like a switch has flicked on inside of her now and she wants me like crazy. This shift has been hard for me to process. I’m good now but for the past couple of weeks her shift has been confusing. It’s kind of cool and i’m running with it – but it’s an unexpected outcome. She’s so submissive and about… Read more »

Agent P
Agent P
5 years ago

@scribs Happy new year. Where do you give up? That question has been pushing me around a bit lately. For me right now its a situation of cutting losses, not throwing good effort after bad. Like you I am long past new years resolutions but one way or the other this time of year does that to me anyhow, its a nexus, a confluence of events that always forces me to take stock of my world. So where do you give up? I have rephrased that question this year to, “where do I make my investments?” I have finite energy,… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

Put another way: Isn’t seduction about causing OneItis in women for a man? Long or short term? If so, what to do once you’ve caused it?

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Scribblerg

Congrats…

What to do? C’mon… You know the answer….

What ever you want to whenever you want to.

But getting back to the LTR… If it’s what you want to do, now you have the frame and perspective to do it. No need to fall into the Red Pill traps… You’ve grown past all that too.

Enjoy.

[ps – for lurkers and relationship denialists and he man woman haters… This is what the emergence of hand looks like and whybit is silly to be scared of developing a relationship…Have hand never lose it and do what you will]

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Scribbs

Also a growing example of the gravitational pull that living a dynamic passionate and authentic life causes. Women (and men) do feel it and want to be around it, part of your life… Why women will hitch their wagon to “losers” and “bums”… If they are DPA they get off on the potential. It’s potential they are after, not necessarily the end state.

Joe K
Joe K
5 years ago

@Scribblerg I don’t have an answer for you, but I can provide this context: When you see how deeply a woman has developed ONEitis for you, as a man you will have a whole range of responses towards her that she would never have towards you. These are: empathy, concern, protectiveness, responsibility for her feelings. Even if you’re losing attraction for her, you’ll still continue to push up against these ‘virtues’ within yourself. She, on the other hand, will have none such responses towards you, and won’t give one good goddamn about your humanity once her attraction for you wanes,… Read more »

Agent P
Agent P
5 years ago

1. Make sure its so good she doesn’t question being a plate. 2. See how depraved you can be with her without breaking the spell. 3. whatever the fuck you want to do because that’s what any woman would do You’re not about to go all White Knight and morality, honor and all that shit are you Scrib? Missing the taste of steak are you? Perhaps wanting to ease off the throttles a bit and just enjoy being appreciated? Come on man, you know better than that. How many times do you have to lick the electrical socket to learn… Read more »

SFC Ton
5 years ago

She is 220 miles away…. I would (and have) LTR a long distance girl on the weekends and spun plates/ looked for new ass Tuesday thru Thursday. Though I generally did that when she lived some place I wanted to spin a lot of time in. Like she lived on the coast or the gal who lived in Charlotte or Raleigh. Was always cool to have a free place to stay and some bitch to suck my cock after a nice 90 mile ride to the beach In practical terms, life has been easier to manage when spinning plates vs… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

Is this thing On?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axz_wz7mqIc
She isn’t real

Forever in debt to your priceless advice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIxLsVGZT-k
Broken hymen of your Highness, I’m left back
Throw down your umbilical noose so I can climb right back

Fictional characters…

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@scrib Put another way: Isn’t seduction about causing OneItis in women for a man? Long or short term? If so, what to do once you’ve caused it? This may be the most pernicious aspect of the Blue Pill off all. That life shouldn’t be hard. The we shouldn’t have struggle – every moment of every day. That the burden of performance is unfair, lol. @Joe K refers to men’s empathy and other virtues. scrib talks about TRP exposing men’s burden of performance. @HABD discusses how women in relationships must be trained like dogs. The Immortal Bard put this all together… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@agentP

2017 is the year we all need to grab life by the pussy and give it a good little squeeze.

More like a hard, stiff push. hah

Joe K
Joe K
5 years ago

@theasdgamer “Thy husband is thy lord, thy life, thy keeper, Thy head, thy sovereign” “Even such a woman oweth to her husband; And when she is froward, peevish, sullen, sour, And not obedient to his honest will, What is she but a foul contending rebel And graceless traitor to her loving lord.” That was the Elizabethan ethos of the time. Add women’s right to vote. Add 1st, 2nd, and 3rd wave feminism. Add 1994’s VAWA. Add the omnipresent validation mechanism of social media. Add the ‘rape culture’ meme to take even the last vestige of responsibility away from her poor… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Sentient – “Hand”, I used to tell my young daughter that relationships were all about hand when she started dating. She would always grimace and then laugh and tell me I was right. I told her that she wanted the upper hand – you see how my knowledge of everything intersexual was colored by Rollo’s “equalism”? Crazy. What’s so interesting is that I’m not even trying that hard. She also self-corrects when she gets out of line now, it’s crazy and seems to crave my steadying influence in her life. I’m not needy at all, and when their is a… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Hmm, I’d say BlackDragon is repudiating things like “running train on drunk girls”, “having sex with girls that are passing out” and so forth, since he explicitly says he’s not backing away from PUA. He also reiterates that he’s planning to be out of the US in the next 5 to 15 years.

Longer term it will be interesting to see how the intersection of PUA and “Affirmative Consent” plays out.

rugby11
rugby11
5 years ago

CSP (Peterson warning)
http://wp.me/p4tvpM-1NRv
Individual (spiritual masculine)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4N8EFH-qYJ4
“Carrying these issues around is a very good way of ensuring that you’re going to be single for a very long time.”
http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2017/01/become-someone-worth-dating/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PagingDrNerdlove+%28Paging+Dr.+NerdLove%29
Do self care and the embodiment of the burden of performance.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

t’s interesting that RSD is reinventing itself around the time this is all coming down.

Could just be coincidence, too. If monetizing Red Pill eventually requires watering it down to purple pill, then it’s just a matter of time.

Again, the larger background for all of us is “affirmative consent”, something the college kids are now immersed in, so it’s going to spread further in the culture in time.

Joe K
Joe K
5 years ago

@Rollo From the Daily Beast piece: “She would watch the footage periodically, and over the next two months, Linda began sending Detective Nugent still photos of what she had seen. “They would come in with women who were happy and relaxed, and the women would come out—woman after woman—would looked stunned and upset with the same tense body language,” Linda told me.” And what the article couldn’t say, because I’m sure they couldn’t (and wouldn’t) investigate: “And almost all of those stunned and upset looking women thereafter rationalized that it never happened, and subsequently lied to their purportedly monogamous boyfriends… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

Rapey PUAs are bad… [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzXkbJwrN38&w=560&h=315%5D Interestingly, I tried to find the YouTube video of the rape scene with Clint Eastwood in High Plains Drifter but now there are zero full clips of the scene. You get no hits from a Google search and from the YouTube search bar only one hit fora partial scene without the actual rape. Our SJW overlords at Google are only just looking out for our own good. What a bunch of rabid, prog-marxist cocksuckers they are. Of course it sounds like what those PUA guys did was bad but why do I care? Sure,… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Scribbs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HavVfiDfUw

Starts at 5:05, but yeah the old clips are gone baby gone…

theasdgamer
5 years ago

@Joe That was the Elizabethan ethos of the time. But was that ethos practiced? Why did WS write TTotS? Do you think that today’s women behave WORSE than Katerina at the beginning of TTotS? Do you think that TTotS RESONATED with men of WS’s day? Do you think that there was a NEED for TTotS in WS’s day? Do you think that Elizabethan men saw their wives portrayed in Katerina and other ill-behaving women in TTotS? Do you think that women will respond to the training methods (or to HABD’s training methods) in TToTS? Will those methods be effective today?… Read more »

theasdgamer
5 years ago

YaReally said that reading about TTotS is about as good as watching it…kind of like reading a synopsis about Game is as good as watching the vids and saves a whole lotta time…yeah, we don’t need no steenkeeng RSD vids.

We need vids about pickup but not about relationships? Both are forms of Game, after all. Something does not compute.

SFC Ton
5 years ago

So why are the commenters avoiding discussing TTotS ?

Because like almost everything he wrote, it fucking sucks?
Or because it’s fiction?

Take your pick but either way, it’s a shitty fucking story.

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