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Dalrock had an interesting post this morning – Black Fathers Don’t Matter – that mends nicely with a topic I was poking at in Obesity Culture:

While HHS (Health and Human Services) says any man currently shacking up with mom counts as the father, the Census says any man currently shacking up with mom counts as the father so long as mom says so.  Either way, fathers clearly can’t matter that much to the US government if distinguishing between the actual father and the man currently banging mom isn’t important.

There are other ways we can tell that fathers don’t matter (and therefore Black fathers don’t matter).  Under our current family system fathers are a sort of deputy parent. Just like a sheriff’s deputy serves at the pleasure of the sheriff, a father in an intact family serves at the pleasure of the mother.  Our entire family court structure is designed to facilitate the removal of the father should the mother decide she no longer wants him to be part of the family unit.  How important can fathers really be, when we have a massive and brutal bureaucracy devoted to helping mothers kick them out of the house?

What Dal is pointing out here has a far broader implication than simply how various governments define fatherhood. Many critics of my defining the Feminine Imperative like to think it’s a work in conspiracy. However, as I’ve explained before, there really is no need for a conspiracy; the Feminine Imperative has no centralized power base because feminine-primacy is so ensaturated into our collective social consciousness. It needs no centralization because feminine social primacy is literally part of women’s self-understanding – and by extension men’s understanding of women and what women expect of them.

Thus, on a Hypergamous social scale we see that Protein World’s male focused ad gets no such vandalism. The message is clear – It is Men who must perform, Men who need to change themselves, optimize themselves and strive for the highest physical ideal to be granted female sexual approval. Women should be accepted, respected and expected to inspire genuine desire irrespective of men’s physical ideals.

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On more than a few occasions I’ve made the connection that what we see in a feminine-primary societal order is really a reflection of the female sexual strategy writ large. When we see a culture of obesity, a culture of body fat acceptance and a culture that presumes a natural evolved order of innate differences between the sexes should be trumped by self-impressions of female personal worth, we’re viewing a society beholden to the insecurities inherent in women’s Hypergamy.

A feminized, feminist, ordered social structure is one founded on ensuring the most undeserving women, by virtue of being women, are entitled to, and assured of, the best Hypergamous options by conscripting and conditioning men to comply with Hypergamy’s dictates.

I’m quoting this again here because, in light of Dalrock’s observations, it’s important for men to really understand that the power struggle women claim to be engaged in with men has already been settled on a meta, social scale. When a father is whomever a woman says he is, that’s a very powerful tool of social power leveraging.

  • A father is anyone a woman/mother claims he is
  • A father is legally bound to children he didn’t sire
  • A father is prevented at great legal and social effort from access to DNA testing of children he suspects aren’t his own
  • A father is legally responsible for the children resulting from his wife/girlfriend cuckolding him
  • A father is financially obligated to the support of children that he didn’t sire or he had no power in deciding to sire

These aren’t just examples relating to men’s lack of power in parenting; these are examples of determining the degree of control a man can exercise over the direction of his entire life. From Truth to Power:

Real Power is the degree to which a person has control over their own circumstances. Real Power is the degree to which we control the directions of our lives.

The inherent insecurity that optimizing Hypergamy poses to women is so imperative, so all-consuming, to their psychological wellbeing that establishing complex social orders to facilitate that optimization were the first things women collectively constructed when they were (nominally) emancipated from men’s provisioning around the time of the sexual revolution.

Ensuring the optimization of women’s biologically prompted Hypergamy is literally the basis of our current social order. On a socio-political scale what we’re experiencing is legislation and cultural mandates that better facilitate Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks.

Driver had a good comment from the last post that illustrates another aspect of this feminine-power consolidation (emphasis mine):

“All the “feeling good about your body” that a fat woman can muster is NEVER going to be an aphrodisiac or a substitute for having a great body that men are aroused by.”

It’s funny how women are very attracted to a guy who works out, eats rights and takes care of his body but they fully expect men to love them (or be attracted to them) for “who they are” – thin or big. You would think that these overweight women would get the memo by now but women (and more of them) keep getting bigger each year.

Feminine-Primary Social Doctrine is the Extension of Women’s Hypergamy

In a feminine-primary social order women presume, without an afterthought, that they are entitled to an attractive guy who works out and meets or exceeds women’s very stringent and static physical ideal. At the same time they expect an entitlement to absolute control of that attraction/arousal process regardless of, and to the exception of, any influence or difference in men’s control of that process. And they expect this without any thought to meriting it beyond appeals to a nebulous and inflated concept of their personal self-worth.

When we consider the present, ambiguous state of sexual consent laws we begin to understand the latent Hypergamous purpose those laws serve – absolute consolidation of women’s Hypergamous strategies as the motivator of any sexual encounter.

Furthermore, they expect an entitlement, either directly or indirectly, to the material support and provisioning of men for no other reason than they were born female.

Any deviation from this is on the part of  men is met with a cultural reprisal designed to convince or coerce men to accept their inevitable role in providing those entitlements to women. When those social contingencies fail, or become played out, the Feminine Imperative then appeals to legal legislation to mandate men’s compliance to what amounts to women’s social entitlement to optimized Hypergamy.

Legislating Hypergamy

From the Alpha Fucks side of Hypergamy this amounts to socially shaming men’s sexual imperatives while simultaneously empowering women’s short-term sexual strategies and fomenting men’s societal acceptance of it (i.e. the Sandberg plan for Open Hypergamy). This is further enforced from a legal perspective through consent laws and vague “anti-harassment” legislation to, ideally, optimize women’s hypergamous prospects.

When we read about instances of the conveniently fluid definitions of rape and harassment (not to mention the pseudo-victimhood of not being harassed), this then turns into proposed “rape-by fraud” legislation. Hypergamy wants absolute certainty, absolute veracity, that it will be secured in its optimization. And in an era when the only restraint on Hypergamy depends on an individual woman’s capacity for being self-aware of it, that Hypergamy necessitates men be held legally responsible for optimizing it.

Even the right for women to have safe and legal abortions finds its root in women’s want to mandate an insurance of their Hypergamous impulses. Nothing says “he wasn’t the right guy” like the unilateral power to abort a man’s genetic legacy in utero.

Feminist boilerplate would convince us that expanding definitions of rape is an effort to limit men’s control of women’s bodies – however, the latent purpose of expanding the definition is to consolidate on the insecurity all women experience with regard to optimizing Hypergamy.

The Beta Bucks insurance aspect of Hypergamy is evidenced by cultural expectations of male deference to wives’ authority in all decision making aspects of a marriage or relationship. And once again this expectation of deference is a grasping for assurances of control should a woman’s Hypergamous choosing of a man not meet her expectations. This is actualized covertly under the auspices of egalitarian equalism and the dubious presumptions of support and feminine identification on the part of men.

Beyond this there are of course the ubiquitous divorce, support, child support and domestic violence legalities that grossly favor women’s interests – which should be pointed out are rooted in exactly the same Hypergamous insecurity that her short-term Alpha Fucks mating strategies demand legislation for.

As Open Hypergamy becomes more institutionalized and made a societal norm by the Feminine Imperative, and as more men become Red Pill aware (by effort or consequences) because of it, the more necessary it will become for a feminine-primary social order to legislate and mandate men comply with it.

Going Mainstream

I’ve addressed this before, but I’ve never done politics on TRM. I will never do screeds on race or multi-culturalism or religion on TRM for a very good reason – it pollutes the message.

We now are seeing the results of this pollution as the manosphere is attacked from both sides of the political spectrum.

I’ve given this example before, but if you put Gretchen Carlson and Rachel Maddow on the same show and confronted them with red pill truths and Game-awareness they would eagerly close ranks, reserve their political differences and cooperatively fight for the Feminine Imperative.

This is the degree to which the Feminine Imperative has been saturated into our western social fabric. Catholic women in the Vatican may have very little in common with Mormon women in Utah, but let a Mormon woman insist the church alter its fundamental foundational articles of faith with regard to women in favor of a doctrine substituted by the Feminine Imperative and those disparate women have a common purpose.

That is the depth of the Feminine Imperative – that female primacy should rewrite articles of faith to prioritize women’s interests.

Religious doctrine, legal and political legislation, cultural norms, labor and economic issues; all are trumped by the Feminine Imperative. All have been subverted to defer to the Feminine Imperative while maintaining a default status of victimhood and oppression of women and women’s interests necessary to perpetuate that covert decentralized power base.

It doesn’t matter what world view, ideology or political stripe the opposition holds; men, masculinity and anything contrary to the feminine-primary social narrative will always be a common enemy of the Feminine Imperative, and both liberal and conservative will climb over one another to throw the first punch if it means defending women and defending the feminine social order by proxy.

This is why anything even marginally pro-masculine is vilified in mainstream society. Anything pro-masculine is always an easy, preferred target because it’s so hated, so incorrect, in a feminine-primary context that it can unite people of hostilely opposed political and ideological differences.

It’s my opinion that red pill awareness needs to remain fundamentally apolitical, non-racial and non-religious because the moment the Red Pill is associated with any social or religious movement, you co-brand it with an ideology, and the validity of it will be written off along with any preconceptions associated with that specific ideology.

Furthermore, any co-branding will still be violently disowned by whatever ideology it’s paired with because the Feminine Imperative has already co-opted and trumps the fundaments of that ideology. The fundamental truth is that the manosphere, pro-masculine thought, Red Pill awareness or its issues are an entity of its own.

This is what scares the shit out of critics who attempt to define, contain and compartmentalize the manosphere / Red Pill awareness; it’s bigger than social, racial, political or religious strictures can contain. It crosses all of those constructs just as the Feminine Imperative has co-opted all of those cultural constructs. The feminized infrastructure of the MSM that’s just beginning to take the manosphere seriously enough to be critical are discovering this and trying to put the genie back into a bottle defined by their feminine-primary conditioning.

The idea that one of their own, whether in a liberal or conservative context, is genuinely Red Pill aware and educating others of that awareness is unnerving for the Feminine Imperative that’s already established strong footholds in either ideology.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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@Novaseeker

Yeah, what you said.

Can I say this? This site is one of the few places capable of making me feel stupid occasionally. It’s fucking great.

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Lone Survivor is the perfect example to men reading here to internalize Law 48 and assume formlessness.

Such rigid and cocksure thinking is a huge, brightly painted target of opportunity for the enlightened man to ad to either his harem or his pocketbook.

You are attacked successfully in the traits you model. (money, physique, on and on).

The enlightened player merely needs to plant the seed of doubt, and when you give something to compare/contrast, you ARE losing.

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I mean, seriously, how many of you here know that Fourier was an early 19th century French philosopher who is credited with co-inventing the term soclalism and in some circles (yet another topic of debate in the woolly environs of academia) is also credited with first coining the term feminist as well? Or that the interactions and relationships between say a Mary Wolstencroft and other early feminists with early socialists like Fourier were quite common. Feminists from the start saw themselves as part of the tradition of say a John Stuart Mills, or Bentham or Condorcet or others, which is… Read more »

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Do you think ideologies have any value apart from the rhetorical today?

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Thought this was appropriate to post…

Free Speech on Campus: ‘F*ck Masculinity’, ‘Fight the Straightness’, ‘Fuck America’

“At the street intersection and on the band stage, protesters took turns delivering short speeches and tirades covering a range of topics, including, but not limited to, the following: systematic racism, sexism, rape culture, the riots in Baltimore, microaggressions, Cornell administrators and trustees, Cornell’s occupation of formerly indigenous lands, capitalism, Israel, the NYPD, oil companies, patriarchy, whiteness, masculinity, and straightness.”

Masculinity, says one blonde chick on the video at the link, is ‘dehumanizing’.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/05/free-speech-on-campus-fck-masculinity-fight-the-straightness/

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@ Lone Survivor—“I don’t perform for them anymore, and I don’t play by their rules anymore. I perform for myself, if they want to follow that is great, if not then so be it. And the fun thing is that women who interact with me at work are starting to become attracted to me, to which I simply let it slide as my career has a higher priority than having sex now (like I said, I am in one of the largest Pharma Companies of the world).” Aaron Cleary describes in your video that an excellent girl comes along approx.… Read more »

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Tom, I’ve seen this theory floated in the manosphere before and it has some merit. Demographic trends indicate that Muslims and Mexicans are overtaking white populations. What you are ignoring is that second generation immigrants often assume the dominant values of their nation. Look, what’s myopic about fearing feminists is that they are parasites, and so they eat their host. Men won’t play this game. Force doesn’t work to raise families, never has. Commies tried it, the Roman Empire tried it, now feminsts and liberals are trying it. Never works. Just like the Soviets “We will bury you!” in 1950… Read more »

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It’s a leap to suppose that demographic change is intentional or even ideological. There are 2 key reproductive strategies that all species follow: r/K selection theory. R-selection posits that a species or population will simply reproduce as many offspring as possible which is what we see in certain human populations: Chinese, Indian, African, Catholics, Conservatives, etc. K-selection is more investment oriented and slows down population growth to focus on supporting each individual. Fast growth and slow growth. What has happened in the 20th century after the population explosion, is depopulation, which actually started in the West in the 19th century.… Read more »

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It’s a leap to suppose that demographic change is intentional or even ideological. There are 2 key reproductive strategies that all species follow: r/K selection theory. R-selection posits that a species or population will simply reproduce as many offspring as possible which is what we see in certain human populations: Chinese, Indian, African, Catholics, Conservatives, etc. K-selection is more investment oriented and slows down population growth to focus on supporting each individual. Fast growth and slow growth. What has happened in the 20th century after the population explosion, is depopulation, which actually started in the West in the 19th century.… Read more »

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sjfrellc- Your comments posted about your “quality woman” and that you “didn’t fuck up” and that you “kept your eye on the ball” etc, etc, etc… All that reflects and dovetails perfectly into oneitis, a misconception of scarcity, fear of rejection, fear of intimacy, etc. In my early days of becoming aware of the truths written about here, I struggled with a contradiction. That contradiction involved clinging to the same monogamy – quality woman – achievement struggle that you describe for your self vs the reality of how women really behave and the reality honestly of what my real impulses… Read more »

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@Glenn

SunWuGong Show? I’m gonna have to add a gong in now just for you. Start banging it when you run too long on a topic hahaha

You get your teen poon? Or did her lack of in depth political dialectic leave you too limp?

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@Tilikum

That is a great book!

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@mdavid “What gives Fems so much power today? The strong and stable men from the families of yesterday. And that’s the key word: YESTERDAY. Every year there are less and less strong and stable men who support feminsm merely because of the decline of the family. Look at male participation in the workforce and in college. And the few stable families today that still take marriage seriously are hyper-religious, really hate feminists, and propogandize their daughers this way. Feminsm won’t die with a bang, but a wimper, and far sooner that most expect.” I agree with some of what you… Read more »

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@mdavid: “I have no enemy.”

Do your enemies know that?

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@Glenn On the more serious note, you didn’t really give an answer to my question of how the Left/Right national politics are going to help a guy make his individualist decisions on a day to day basis. MRAs have shown that the political game is pretty much a wash for men I my opinion, and I feel Rollo’s view of bottom up change through individual men learning positive masculinity is a valid counter. “Demonstrate, do not explicate” at the personal level that done widely enough would change society in a positive way. I don’t see national politics mattering in that… Read more »

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What I disagree about is that where Leftists get the majority of their power. I believe that most of their power is gained thru the media and their absolute control of it. @Rocket — That’s a part, but it’s also the culture creators (TV/movies/music/pop culture) and the educational establishment. Taken together, these three elements (media, culture creators, educational controllers) form a powerful trifecta to sway opinion however it wishes to, and all three are thoroughly and systematically dominated by the left. The advent of the new internet technologies of 2.0 as well have augmented this influence by providing more “always… Read more »

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Was thinking about the tension being built… Here The Other Language (male = female) Three days after I was born, as I lay in my silken cradle, gazing with astonished dismay on the new world round about me, my mother spoke to the wet-nurse, saying, “How does my child?” And the wet-nurse answered, “He does well, Madame, I have fed him three times; and never before have I seen a babe so young yet so gay.” And I was indignant; and I cried, “It is not true, mother; for my bed is hard, and the milk I have sucked is… Read more »

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@novaseeker “That’s a part, but it’s also the culture creators (TV/movies/music/pop culture) and the educational establishment.” I actually consider “media” to include pop culture and even “social media” which is a powerful force among the young. And you are correct about the “educational establishment” the FI takeover of public schools and driving out male teachers was a huge undertaking and total success. I don’t know how many male teachers there are any more, percentage wise, but not very many and I do know that given the false accusations there is not a chance in hell that I would want to… Read more »

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@Rocket
“Little boys today have essentially no chance of growing up with a Normal male perspective; unless they are home schooled.”
Indeed
It’s in part why learning anything about the red pill came from observation. I really love learning. Just not feeling guilt and shamed for it not being someone’s version of the world I grew up with.
Homeschool is great if you got the resources for it.
I try to teach myself along the way but The information here really helped me out an a grand scale.

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@Not Born This Morning May 3rd, 2015 at 11:49 am “All that reflects and dovetails perfectly into oneitis, a misconception of scarcity, fear of rejection, fear of intimacy, etc.” I agree entirely that it may reflect one-itis, it may mis-conceive scarcity, it may be a fear of rejection, I may fear intimacy, etc. Except when it doesn’t. It may but it doesn’t. If that statement is true, then my reflection on my station in life is satisfactory to me. Sure I have ego investment in the choices I’ve made. But I also have the wisdom to know the difference of… Read more »

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To Glenn “On the more serious note, you didn’t really give an answer to my question of how the Left/Right national politics are going to help a guy make his individualist decisions on a day to day basis.”

As you typed that I was passing a sentence in “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance”. I’m re-reading it after having read it in 1980. The sentence on p. 314 says ” I think metaphysics is good if it improves everyday life; otherwise forget it.

Hah.

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….And the author was reflecting on how is old self that went crazy (literally) thinking about metaphysics and his new self lets it’s quandaries roll off his back.

Don’t go crazy Glenn. Show us how to use your knowledge for everyday life.

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Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave.

Constantin Brancusi

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Are you depressed?

http://muse.jhu.edu/books/9780801896194

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I would like to ask those who look down to paying for sex to give the reasons why paying for sex is unacceptable.

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You mentioned metaphysics dismissively. Metaphysics is often derided because it is nothing but beliefs and/or religion. Philosophically, however, metaphysics is the analysis of statements about reality which are possible, impossible and necessary. So, metaphysics is a part of everyday life related to what people believe about what is impossible, what is possible and what is necessary. Science plays a key role here is being skeptical of ordinary language use and everyday life. This blog is itself skeptical of the practices and claims of our culture and thus addresses metaphysics.

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To Love Survivor: I don’t have the time right now to answer in full but will try later this evening. I believe I am in a position to set things straight because I don’t think you understand the majority of opinions here. In case you are wondering, I’ve essentially gone MGTOW and see “Escorts” as you do. I do not refer to them as prostitutes, that is degrading. And I’m doing it for the right reasons and even then, I probably am not doing what is best for me, long term. I know that and choose to do it anyway.… Read more »

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@Glenn, I’ve read probably every single word Marx put to pen: all of Das Kapital (yes, all), The Manifesto, The Paris Manuscripts, Grundrisse, most of his correspondences, et al. I’ve also read Marxists or Marxian philosophers from Gramsci to Fromm, and lots in between. I am also as much a RPer as you’ll ever meet, and Tomassi’s blog is by far the most insightful of all of them, but make no mistake when I tell you in the most explicit language you’ll ever read here or elsewhere: Karl Marx is probably the smartest human that ever walked on this rock… Read more »

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@RPmuststophating A babe in the woods. Your lack of simple understanding of human nature and/or hierarchy like all taxonomical hierarchies is right there with Uncle Karl. I don’t say this as a capitalist but as a predator. Poor boy, slavery is the preferred and default preference of all but a few men whom are most definitely your betters. Your need for it drips from your words as the smell of it likely drips from your pores. Just look around this site! Men, set free, fighting to let the chains lay on them, as you do. I used to find it… Read more »

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Go on then, convince me that Lone is not Professor Wossname, sidekick or mere minion of S(i)irTyrion.
Short. Check
Dago. Check.
Has some kind of incomprehensible beef, barely distinguishable from passion, with harmless and unaware northern Euros (of either or any gender, all of whom are much much larger, wealthier and generally more socially adept than “him”). Checkmeister.

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Dang Rollo, talking this political stuff must really rub you the wrong way (pun intended). I promised Lone a more extensive update and don’t have lots of time but will try to bang out an response. So, I don’t harbor the animosity that other do for Mr Lone. I believe he is legit. A young member of the RP society. Too eager and to impatient as the young tend to be. Most importantly he thinks he has shit figured out and doesn’t and isn’t shy about shooting his mouth off. Sounds harsh but I don’t mean it that way; he… Read more »

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OK, Mr. Lone … part II If you follow Rollo’s teaching you will find some very important truths. First is the “N Count” that is very important. I believe (and may be in the minority) that the more sexual partners a woman has the harder it is for her to eventually bond with her mate. Brain chemistry is altered, Alpha widow, whatever you want to call it. Over centuries and centuries and even today in some societies (muslim) there is a distinct preference for marrying a virgin. The reason is that marrying a virgin is the best predictor that a… Read more »

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Lone … part III Avoiding working your issues and improving as man is an important point and I want to follow up that. There was some recent discussion here about all the preaching to become Alpha, look like Alpha, act like Alpha … blah, blah, blah. I’m against that because I think that most men cannot and will never become the Alpha they want to be. But there was an important point that was made. There are lots of recommendations to “get to the gym” or “lift” or “workout and get in shape” the discussion centered around “are you doing… Read more »

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@Lone Survivor “Do you really think women women will privilege a guy with the body of Charles Atlas over an average joe with a BMW m318?” Let me guess . . . you drive a BMW m318? There is absolutely tons of this on the manosphere . . . dudes having random, one-off experiences, then taking to the Internet to describe those experiences as universal gospel. A favorite example is Return of Kings’ series of “How to Date X Type of Girl” posts. They always read suspiciously like a lightly fictionalized account of that one time this guy slept with… Read more »

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Let me repeat a comment I made over at Dalrock on the infiltration of cultural Marxists into our social institutions.

Feminism and equality or whatever was NEVER the goal and the feminists were nothing but “Useful Idiots.” The goal was a “Scorched Earth Policy” to institute the “Long March” through our social institutions all the way to “Year 0.”

Power to the people, Comrades!

TLDR: Communism was not defeated. It morphed into an equalitarianism mindset that dominates our culture.

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@Glenn Haha. Glenn is just manic. Sounds like you’re on a lot of coffee, and maybe something else. “Feminists from the start saw themselves as part of the tradition of say a John Stuart Mills, or Bentham or Condorcet or others, which is where socialism emanated.” A learned discourse though. I don’t know much concrete about the origins of feminism, though that’s an area I hope to work more in. But I think the basic connection you’re pointing out is clear for all to see, in the world we live in just as much as in intellectual history. I think… Read more »

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@Glenn It’s no accident, the relationship between Mill and Wollstonecraft. Everything good, and everything bad, about conventional liberal ideas today stems from Millian ideas. What I called hedonism is not too far off from utilitarianism; and the connection to socialism is hinted at by the idea of “materialism.” Another interesting connection is Rousseau. I actually haven’t read some of the works that would speak directly to this, but at some higher level of abstraction, Rousseau’s entire idea about the inherent goodness in human nature is a lynchpin of modern political liberalism. It’s not hard to see the connection. If people… Read more »

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@ rocket re Lone … part III “Avoiding working your issues and improving as man is an important point and I want to follow up that. There was some recent discussion here about all the preaching to become Alpha, look like Alpha, act like Alpha … blah, blah, blah. I’m against that because I think that most men cannot and will never become the Alpha they want to be.” Sounds like you’re contradicting yourself there and I disagree with that last sentence. If Men improve on their game (keep fit/strong, and learning simple Gaming/PUA techniques) they can and will become… Read more »

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@ Divided Line
May 2nd, 2015 at 1:12 am

Dude, I dig your commentary. You are expressing many things (better than I could) that have been bubbling up in my consciousness of late. Thanks.

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“Generate positive emotions in your female ABOUT HOW SHE RELATES TO YOU.” How? Pretty simple, actually, though it does require work. You must work on yourself, to become a better spiritual being. That sounds nebulous… what does it mean? It means that when you lay down at night to go to sleep and your inner self speaks to you, that you must learn to abide the desires of that inner voice, and then work HARD to make them real. Maybe you want to be an artist, or a business owner, or a family man, or a scientist, or an academic,… Read more »

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@ Rocket Hey, thanks for the answer. Allow me first to state that in fact I am in favor of marriage. My current age is 34, a decade older than you state. My vision of things is congruent with yours in several aspects: 1. women get damaged over time: simply because the longer the number of relations the higher the letdowns/pain. 2. “Civilization as we know it is based as men and women working as team to construction a family unit which is optimal for raising children. That model has been destroyed by Feminism”. 100% agreed. 3. ” The motivation… Read more »

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@Rollo

Because I like touching and sucking tits, touching hips and ass. And porn/fapping does not give me that.

http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/34drux/twelve_reasons_why_pay_for_play_is_aok/

Can I ask you what do you think that playing to the rules of feminine imperative in clubs/bars? Isn’t the “AMOG” an approval-seeking behavior? (“hey, look my attitude and car and money, I am woth it… come have sex with me)

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“The thing is that we men do not have to perform to women, we have to perform to society and to ourselves. I perform at the gym, at sports, at my job… but not at women anymore. ”

You don’t perform for women, you perform for money . . . for women. Got it.

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“Most of the people who hit the gym compulsively are guys who never get laid.”

In order to meet women, a man needs to put himself in a social environment where their are women for him to meet in the first place – gyms can be good places to meet many women. Actually, men that go to gym most likely get with women more often than men that don’t.

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“47-year-old SurveyMonkey CEO and husband of Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg ‘passed away suddenly’ while on vacation abroad with his family”

http://www.thewrap.com/dave-goldberg-undisclosed-cause-of-death-leading-to-speculation-concern/

It was said that Sandberg “returned” to Washington DC after the death, but others have noted that she was already in Washington at the time of death. The death has raised questions, such as in this comment:

“Sheryl Sandberg has spent the last few years proclaiming women can ‘have it all,’ as long as they had a supportive, devoted spouse like Dave Sandberg.

If Dave Sandberg killed himself, that’s news.”

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Well, well…Carly Fiorina wants to be prez. She’s the former chief executive wench of Hewlett Packard who was ranked as one the worst tech CEOs ever. It’s scary folks. Not because she’ll win. But because this type of unbridled narcissism among today’s women is just the tip of the iceberg.

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* Just a side note…a little off topic: I saw the trailer for the new Mad Max movie and (as usual) they are inserting a female co-lead character into the film. Mad Max is a lone (road warrior) movie. He does (or did in the originals) run into other female characters during his travels but he (alone) was the driving force behind the success of the past movies. This movie will probably be a good action flick but Hollywood has tainted yet another good film (of the past) by trying to insert the “politically correct” – female character – into… Read more »

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@TheLastCoyote “Well, well…Carly Fiorina wants to be prez. She’s the former chief executive wench of Hewlett Packard who was ranked as one the worst tech CEOs ever….” But you’ll never hear those words (worst CEOs ever) coming from women. All they will say is that she is qualified because she was a “leader” (CEO) of a large corporation. She may have been in charge but she was a pretty shitty leader. It will take men bringing up why she is “not qualified” to lead this country into the ground (just like HP while she was in charge). Men will need… Read more »

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My last to try and wake you guys up to the centrality of the politics in all of this. The very title of Rollo’s post is a version of a left wing idea. “Make the political personal” is a left wing cry, and is part of why we are where we are at. You see, this forces them to internalize their political ideology and actualize it in their actions and lives. It also means that they have to drop all reservations and doubts, which is very handy when trying to create an activist block that can be easily controlled. The… Read more »

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Or wait, Rollo, are you going to try and tell me that the “make the personal political” arises from the FI too? Not from Marxist agitators? I mean, gosh, what doesn’t arise from the FI than? It’s starting to sound strangely like that magical pixie world controlling fairy dust the feminists use, “patriarchy” doesn’t it?

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@Rollo why not save more money and just jerk off to porn? If you’re all about pragmatism why not just rub one out instead of paying an escort? Sounds like a blue pill 16yr old me. @Lucien It needs no argument to show that the hardest, most austere way of life is also the manliest. But why is that? Now that’s something I can apply today in a new frame of reference. “All the guys I interact with are pussies, because they are so used to seeking the approval of women.” That’s why I love going through hell and not… Read more »

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@LoneSurvivor, you make some very good points (although I don’t fully agree with you) – I always felt TRP had only a partial view of things and to some extent the tradcon/PUA hybrids on the TRP reddit, Roosh forum etc. had to an element a sour-grapes mentality when they realised that a girl wanted them only for sex (talk about role reversal from 50-60 years ago thanks to Birth Control) while for relationships specifically and quite opportunistically wanted men with resources and status (with height and race i.e. caucasian being the main ‘looks’ component for LTRs). So the ‘Beta-Bux’ phrase… Read more »

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Hey Rollo, I wanted to personally and publicly thank you for all of your elucidations. I found you through Roissy via an article, (The New Dating Game by Charlotte Allen), that I read a few years ago in the Weekly Standard. I was looking for some sort of explanation, after suing a few wild oats as a result of my divorce from my 15 year marriage as to what I was experiencing in the dating market and wanting to get back into a serious relationship again. Needless to say I found women’s behavior to be a real head scratcher. I… Read more »

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@Lone Survivor May 4th, 2015 at 2:06 am “The thing is that we men do not have to perform to women, we have to perform to society and to ourselves. I perform at the gym, at sports, at my job… but not at women anymore. Performing for women is putting them in a pedestal and assuming that they are the prize (isn’t that the feminine imperative?). And the truth is that as time goes on, I am becoming more and more a better catch, so I don’t perform to them because I KNOW that.” I’m not saying this to be… Read more »

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FWIW, I definitely prefer the Fleshlight to using my hand. Although it’s kind of inconvenient, so I actually end up almost never using it at all. I suppose it speaks volumes about sex vs. masturbation that I wouldn’t hesitate to go out of my way to drive to a party just for a chance to meet some girls, while I have the Fleshlight sitting in my drawer but having to use lubrication and clean it up after, which takes all of several minutes, seems like it’s more trouble than it’s worth. Even though physically it feels infinitely better than using… Read more »

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@Softek Yeah your correct from life experience an all of what you said. Reminds me of getting into kundalini yoga. http://hermetic.com/stavish/essays/secret-fire.html Got me into acroyoga You know in rugby everyone knows how well you play based on what you DO not what you say. Even men require a performance. We just not may be as open in public about it. For me if I stay away from porn These things happen I become more social I laugh at myself which makes me happy. I admit I am out of shape I tend to hit on girls more often. I treat… Read more »

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@Lone Survivor – the personal attacks you are facing here shows that despite not reading all trp concepts on this blog, you have singlehandedly nuked the ego investments and worldview of your assailants who have spent years learning game and working out in the gym thinking the only sexthat counts is if she ‘truly’ desires you physically. The fact is that with money as a levaraging tool you still can get a heckuva BJ even if you are fat ugly etc as long as she knows your wallet will pay for those diamond earrings that she has been wanting for… Read more »

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I am seeing many commentators mixing the decisions and lifestyle choices taken subsequent to “The Red Pill(TRP)” with TRP itself. TRP remains the same irrespective of whether you PUA, MRA, MGTOW or Frame Oriented (TRM) Just as the treatments may wary but the diagnosis of the issue remains the same. TRP is the diagnosis of the problem. From TRP point of view, both Rollo as well as Lone Survivor are TRPers. But both of them differ in subsequent approaches to what to do about it. TRP is just that apolitical, minimally biased diagnosis of the issue at hand. The unique… Read more »

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“The american men have a more incomplete world view than their european counterparts when it comes to this.”

Such seems to be the case…
It’s a very powerful boon to travel.

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@Glenn Question: What do you attribute your transition to the Blue Pill/Good Man worldview to? Was it really as simple as just deciding to be monogamous? I I think that marriage and monogamy is a program designed to give a man a permanent case of “oneitis”. We also seem to voluntarily de-nut ourselves this way. Would love to hear more from you on this. Interesting question. For me, I think the bluepill transition was like a pre-programming that automatically kicked in. I had been pre-conditioned to believe that once I decided to get serious in relationships, and married and started… Read more »

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@TheRedBaron “the personal attacks you are facing here shows that despite not reading all trp concepts on this blog, you have singlehandedly nuked the ego investments and worldview of your assailants who have spent years learning game and working out in the gym thinking the only sexthat counts is if she ‘truly’ desires you physically.” Heh, no. All he’s done is show a lack of experience and an inability to apply Game. His choices are valid for him, but do not invalidate those of men who choose instead to develop their own Game. Statements to the effect that his views… Read more »

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I’m pretty certain that I would never, ever go back to that mindset, but I am smart enough to know that once you’ve sacrificed yourself, you could slip back into that mindset if you experience a certain amount of comfort. I’m like a recovering drug addict in that sense. At first I felt that I was being immature for my age (38 at divorce, 54 years old this year..).My behavior reverted to a pre-marital stage of life because that’s where my happy zone is. I started banging Brazilian strippers to get my sexual confidence back, and then I started banging… Read more »

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@Glenn – I greatly appreciate your posts where you talk about how you’re overcoming adversity in your life. I do not like your posts where you delve into politics and general intellectual masturbation in an attempt to knock Rollo down a few pegs. Would love to hear about more of the former and none of the latter. I say this with all sincerity.

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“Just saw the State Farm commercial – the ‘Never’ ad that shows a man capitulating over and over – in this light, and it’s a mind blower. The formerly single guy gets molded into a husband and father in order to support the wife’s goals.”

since all his nevers fail, the “never letting go” will end in divorce and limited custody. State Farm will be there for all his nevers.

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Rocket, What I disagree about is that where Leftists get the majority of their power. They control the narrative and shut out all opposition. Sure. But this leads to catasrophic decline; power extended beyond its support creates an unstable situation…until one day it just all collapses. Sort of like Communism, or conservative decline in the 1960’s, or the Japanese economic superpower of the 1990s…one day, it all just vanishes without warning. I also disagree how this is going to turn out I wouldn’t be shocked to find you are right. A bang rather than a wimper is possible. But if… Read more »

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@Rollo Thanks, but no thanks. I’ll stick to the real thing. You have a great blog, and I am happy to read through your articles, thank you for your time and wisdom sharing. @Superbetavirgin Thank you for your comment, We are all here to learn. We must also be careful to avoid start echoing the same things over and over to the point of being dellusional. Diverse voices bring new perspectives and allow to test and falsate theories. @Siffrelc “You do believe in marriage? Do you would get married if the right girl comes along? What are you going to… Read more »

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@TheRedBaron My view of marriage has changed over time. The only women who will give unconditional love to men is their mother (and sometimes not even mothers do it). Women will always expect something from men, the same way we expect things from women. A decent girlfriend must be: 1. a family woman: to help create a healthy family where children grow to become useful to society. 2. a good nurse/cooker/caring person: both to her husband and children 3. a teacher: to educate children 4. a wild prostitute in her man’s bed When these 4 conditions are met, she earns… Read more »

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“What non isolatory experiences have you brought to table? considering you are always scared of cheating on your NAWALT. How many women have you flirted lately or with how many women have you successfully DHVed?” Ever hear of cute pharmaceutical dermatology drug reps? Yeah, they call on me daily. I flirt and I game them, it’s fun, but I have no desire to get laid by one because I’m not desperate. Ive been a dermatologist seeing patients for the last 25 years. I socialize at a local country club at which my wife presents as quite prominent, golfing and socializing… Read more »

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It could all go away tomorrow……….

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@Glenn –

If you want to understand conservatives, check out the book *The Righteous Mind*, by Jonathan Haidt. Great explanation of how we morally reason. It also has a really good explanation of the hamster.

Have you read *The Market For Liberty* by Morris and Linda Tannehill? You might want to check it out.

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“The very title of Rollo’s post is a version of a left wing idea. “Make the political personal” is a left wing cry, and is part of why we are where we are at. You see, this forces them to internalize their political ideology and…” I interpreted the title differently. My “interpretation” was an immediate assumption and reaction that Rollo meant the title to be a that the political abortion agenda IS a personal agenda rooted in female solipsism and that agenda born out of personal individual drive is developed by consensus and broadcasted into the cultural political realm. I… Read more »

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What a couple posters suggested re. Dave Goldberg has been outright said by an aspie female blogger:

http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2015/05/03/dave-goldberg-cause-of-death-i-think-its-suicide/

At the time of this writing, the MSM is saying head trauma caused by falling off the treadmill. lt took 3 days to come to this conclusion?

Maybe it takes a while to get this kind of stuff figured out when you’re in a country like Mexico, I dunno. May Dave Goldberg RIP regardless.

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“….building fortresses around yourself only cuts you off from information and experiences that will help you become a better Man. …” This is true except one crucial aspect. That aspect is reviled by use of the words “a better Man”. Red pill awareness and the education offered here has improved my life. It has not made me become “a better Man”. It has enabled me to live A BETTER LIFE. To think or say this endeavor makes one “a better man” implies intrinsic inferiority prior to the knowledge gained, understood and applied. Our education does not define who we are… Read more »

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@Not Born this morning
“Knowledge is a tool that facilitates better performance.”

A beautiful way to admit it never goes away. With that it mind i suppose I am less likely to get banned somewhere from now on.

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@NBTM I don’t see a problem with denigrating my past self if my past behavior, thoughts, actions, and failures reflect someone worse than the man I have become. All the things that reflected who I was internally were worse and have been significantly improved. A better life has come as a result of that work. If you’re talking about “becoming a better man” for someone else in their frame? Yeah, that’s definitely a piss poor way to look at it. But becoming a better man within your own definition and for your own reasons in your own frame? I see… Read more »

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@Sun wukong
“I consider myself no different than any other system I wish to build, fix, or improve.”
That’s crosses art science philosophy photography sports bodywork mechanics sociology anatomy biology

It’s being a Man. To you not to others… I tip my hat to you good sir.

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@Sun Wukong Would you be any less a person in your perception if you had not become an engineer, or changed your past views and behavior? Does your education and performance really change who you are? Or did those things change the way you live? Suppose you never had the same opportunities and made fewer changes. Would you think less of yourself? If so, why? Do you think other people who understand less than you and do not perform as well as you compared to the standards you set for yourself are of lower value than you? If so, why?… Read more »

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@Sun: “All the things that reflected who I was internally were worse and have been significantly improved. A better life has come as a result of that work.”

That’s truly admirable.

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@Not born
“Opportunity, knowledge and performance have little to do with a persons accurate perception of himself. If this were not true we would not learn from failure. ”

Well stated

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Would you be any less a person in your perception if you had not become an engineer, or changed your past views and behavior? If I had never decided to improve, yes I would be less a man. Absolutely. I was not as hard working or happy as I am. I was not as well paid. I was not as proud. Does your education and performance really change who you are? Yes, every experience every day shapes who you are. We are the sum of our experiences, hence the reason while I think I sucked a lot more back then,… Read more »

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@Sun Wukong “If you’re talking about “becoming a better man” for someone else in their frame? Yeah, that’s definitely a piss poor way to look at it.” There is only one frame you can really experience…..YOUR FRAME. It is impossible to experience yourself or anything else in any other frame. You can assume what the frame of another is and how you are perceived in their frame, but you never really know what their perception is beyond what you think of what they may or may not tell you through their actions and words. Self denigration and self aggrandizement in… Read more »

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Why would you contrast and compare them to you in your mind based on your standards?
Oops, missed the “why”, just saw the “would”. I would compare to understand what I can learn from them or where they fit in my life. In some cases it’s so that I can figure out ways to try and help them improve their lot in life if they didn’t have my opportunities. In other cases it’s so I can steer clear of people who will simply drain my time giving nothing in return.

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There is only one frame you can really experience…..YOUR FRAME.

I disagree. Men credit their shrew wives ordering them around with making them a “better man” all the time. He’s living in her reality. In all likelihood she’s ordering him to do things that are detrimental to himself as a man.

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As William Blake said:

“Reason is not the same as it shall be when we know more.”

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@Sun Wukong

“He’s living in her reality.”

I disagree.

He cannot live in her reality. It is impossible for him to because he cannot experience it. He is not her. The nearest he can come, is to live in what he ASSUMES her reality is……or HOPES it is. For his benefit, he should endeavor to accurately comprehend his reality and live in it accordingly.

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@Softek

Seek and you shall find that there is more you do not know…

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Lone Survivor, ” they boil masculinity down to physical traits: that is the femeneization of men, blame feminism. Men, as long as they are in shape, do not need to be Charles Atlas. They need to be functional. A man who practices muay thai or box every day and has a decent shape may be more attractive to women than a man who hits the gym compulsively and behaves narcissistic” THIS. It is gay men, not straight women, who value perfection in the male physique. Women appreciate a fit, healthy man but its the gay sexual market that puts a… Read more »

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@Sun Wukong

“Yes, and society agrees.”

“Society agrees” is your perception of an existential consensus approval process or standard that does not really exist. You create this perception for yourself to reinforce your self identity standard.

Peoples values, judgement standards and desires differ, from person to person, time to time, place to place, subculture to subculture and with age.

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“Society agrees” is your perception of an existential consensus approval process or standard that does not really exist.

So price discovery in labor markets doesn’t exist? That’s news to me.

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Hell, by your reasoning, time for me to go get a 6 figure job at McDonald’s. When they tell me the position doesn’t pay that much, I’ll tell them I identify as a man worth $100k/yr for working in fast food. Let’s see how well that goes over.

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I really don’t know where NBTM is coming up with this idea that frame is everything. Having every thing fit in your frame is great is you can keep rock solid frame. Well spoken Sun W. in response. I would cosign every answer to every question. And I abdicated frame to my dominant wife in the middle stretches of my LTR. This was because she was dominant, had good feminine imperative skills to accomplish her strategy (beta bucks) and because I abdicated frame. I am a better person now, but was a fine person then. My performance has improved greatly,… Read more »

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” In other cases it’s so I can steer clear of people who will simply drain my time giving nothing in return.”

This is damn important for men and especially as a teenager growing up. Mainly because it’s hard to decern sometimes even as an adult.

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“Peoples values, judgement standards and desires differ, from person to person, time to time, place to place, subculture to subculture and with age.”

Not that shit all over again. In the 1920’s in the United States there was a big shift in values when Einstein’s theory of relativity took hold. Social mores actually shifted due to the wrongheaded though that the the physical relativity had some social relativity.

So Values, Religion and Concrete values were reduced to “It’s all Relative”.

ref.: “Modern Times Revised Edition: The World from the Twenties to the Nineties” by Paul Johnson

I call BullScheiße.

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My new job interview strategy: “I reject your reality and replace it with my own.”

Billionaire CEO position here I come!

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“My new job interview strategy: “I reject your reality and replace it with my own.”
Billionaire CEO position here I come!”

Ouch. That’s facetious. And it’s going to leave a mark if someone doesn’t realizes it and thinks that would work in real life.

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@sjfrellc
“And it’s going to leave a mark if someone doesn’t realizes it and thinks that would work in real life.”

That is the red pill that the 15 yr old self would thrive from…

Nothing beats hard work. Anyone who works hard and knows it brings forth a confidence unmatched.

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