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Dalrock had an interesting post this morning – Black Fathers Don’t Matter – that mends nicely with a topic I was poking at in Obesity Culture:

While HHS (Health and Human Services) says any man currently shacking up with mom counts as the father, the Census says any man currently shacking up with mom counts as the father so long as mom says so.  Either way, fathers clearly can’t matter that much to the US government if distinguishing between the actual father and the man currently banging mom isn’t important.

There are other ways we can tell that fathers don’t matter (and therefore Black fathers don’t matter).  Under our current family system fathers are a sort of deputy parent. Just like a sheriff’s deputy serves at the pleasure of the sheriff, a father in an intact family serves at the pleasure of the mother.  Our entire family court structure is designed to facilitate the removal of the father should the mother decide she no longer wants him to be part of the family unit.  How important can fathers really be, when we have a massive and brutal bureaucracy devoted to helping mothers kick them out of the house?

What Dal is pointing out here has a far broader implication than simply how various governments define fatherhood. Many critics of my defining the Feminine Imperative like to think it’s a work in conspiracy. However, as I’ve explained before, there really is no need for a conspiracy; the Feminine Imperative has no centralized power base because feminine-primacy is so ensaturated into our collective social consciousness. It needs no centralization because feminine social primacy is literally part of women’s self-understanding – and by extension men’s understanding of women and what women expect of them.

Thus, on a Hypergamous social scale we see that Protein World’s male focused ad gets no such vandalism. The message is clear – It is Men who must perform, Men who need to change themselves, optimize themselves and strive for the highest physical ideal to be granted female sexual approval. Women should be accepted, respected and expected to inspire genuine desire irrespective of men’s physical ideals.

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On more than a few occasions I’ve made the connection that what we see in a feminine-primary societal order is really a reflection of the female sexual strategy writ large. When we see a culture of obesity, a culture of body fat acceptance and a culture that presumes a natural evolved order of innate differences between the sexes should be trumped by self-impressions of female personal worth, we’re viewing a society beholden to the insecurities inherent in women’s Hypergamy.

A feminized, feminist, ordered social structure is one founded on ensuring the most undeserving women, by virtue of being women, are entitled to, and assured of, the best Hypergamous options by conscripting and conditioning men to comply with Hypergamy’s dictates.

I’m quoting this again here because, in light of Dalrock’s observations, it’s important for men to really understand that the power struggle women claim to be engaged in with men has already been settled on a meta, social scale. When a father is whomever a woman says he is, that’s a very powerful tool of social power leveraging.

  • A father is anyone a woman/mother claims he is
  • A father is legally bound to children he didn’t sire
  • A father is prevented at great legal and social effort from access to DNA testing of children he suspects aren’t his own
  • A father is legally responsible for the children resulting from his wife/girlfriend cuckolding him
  • A father is financially obligated to the support of children that he didn’t sire or he had no power in deciding to sire

These aren’t just examples relating to men’s lack of power in parenting; these are examples of determining the degree of control a man can exercise over the direction of his entire life. From Truth to Power:

Real Power is the degree to which a person has control over their own circumstances. Real Power is the degree to which we control the directions of our lives.

The inherent insecurity that optimizing Hypergamy poses to women is so imperative, so all-consuming, to their psychological wellbeing that establishing complex social orders to facilitate that optimization were the first things women collectively constructed when they were (nominally) emancipated from men’s provisioning around the time of the sexual revolution.

Ensuring the optimization of women’s biologically prompted Hypergamy is literally the basis of our current social order. On a socio-political scale what we’re experiencing is legislation and cultural mandates that better facilitate Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks.

Driver had a good comment from the last post that illustrates another aspect of this feminine-power consolidation (emphasis mine):

“All the “feeling good about your body” that a fat woman can muster is NEVER going to be an aphrodisiac or a substitute for having a great body that men are aroused by.”

It’s funny how women are very attracted to a guy who works out, eats rights and takes care of his body but they fully expect men to love them (or be attracted to them) for “who they are” – thin or big. You would think that these overweight women would get the memo by now but women (and more of them) keep getting bigger each year.

Feminine-Primary Social Doctrine is the Extension of Women’s Hypergamy

In a feminine-primary social order women presume, without an afterthought, that they are entitled to an attractive guy who works out and meets or exceeds women’s very stringent and static physical ideal. At the same time they expect an entitlement to absolute control of that attraction/arousal process regardless of, and to the exception of, any influence or difference in men’s control of that process. And they expect this without any thought to meriting it beyond appeals to a nebulous and inflated concept of their personal self-worth.

When we consider the present, ambiguous state of sexual consent laws we begin to understand the latent Hypergamous purpose those laws serve – absolute consolidation of women’s Hypergamous strategies as the motivator of any sexual encounter.

Furthermore, they expect an entitlement, either directly or indirectly, to the material support and provisioning of men for no other reason than they were born female.

Any deviation from this is on the part of  men is met with a cultural reprisal designed to convince or coerce men to accept their inevitable role in providing those entitlements to women. When those social contingencies fail, or become played out, the Feminine Imperative then appeals to legal legislation to mandate men’s compliance to what amounts to women’s social entitlement to optimized Hypergamy.

Legislating Hypergamy

From the Alpha Fucks side of Hypergamy this amounts to socially shaming men’s sexual imperatives while simultaneously empowering women’s short-term sexual strategies and fomenting men’s societal acceptance of it (i.e. the Sandberg plan for Open Hypergamy). This is further enforced from a legal perspective through consent laws and vague “anti-harassment” legislation to, ideally, optimize women’s hypergamous prospects.

When we read about instances of the conveniently fluid definitions of rape and harassment (not to mention the pseudo-victimhood of not being harassed), this then turns into proposed “rape-by fraud” legislation. Hypergamy wants absolute certainty, absolute veracity, that it will be secured in its optimization. And in an era when the only restraint on Hypergamy depends on an individual woman’s capacity for being self-aware of it, that Hypergamy necessitates men be held legally responsible for optimizing it.

Even the right for women to have safe and legal abortions finds its root in women’s want to mandate an insurance of their Hypergamous impulses. Nothing says “he wasn’t the right guy” like the unilateral power to abort a man’s genetic legacy in utero.

Feminist boilerplate would convince us that expanding definitions of rape is an effort to limit men’s control of women’s bodies – however, the latent purpose of expanding the definition is to consolidate on the insecurity all women experience with regard to optimizing Hypergamy.

The Beta Bucks insurance aspect of Hypergamy is evidenced by cultural expectations of male deference to wives’ authority in all decision making aspects of a marriage or relationship. And once again this expectation of deference is a grasping for assurances of control should a woman’s Hypergamous choosing of a man not meet her expectations. This is actualized covertly under the auspices of egalitarian equalism and the dubious presumptions of support and feminine identification on the part of men.

Beyond this there are of course the ubiquitous divorce, support, child support and domestic violence legalities that grossly favor women’s interests – which should be pointed out are rooted in exactly the same Hypergamous insecurity that her short-term Alpha Fucks mating strategies demand legislation for.

As Open Hypergamy becomes more institutionalized and made a societal norm by the Feminine Imperative, and as more men become Red Pill aware (by effort or consequences) because of it, the more necessary it will become for a feminine-primary social order to legislate and mandate men comply with it.

Going Mainstream

I’ve addressed this before, but I’ve never done politics on TRM. I will never do screeds on race or multi-culturalism or religion on TRM for a very good reason – it pollutes the message.

We now are seeing the results of this pollution as the manosphere is attacked from both sides of the political spectrum.

I’ve given this example before, but if you put Gretchen Carlson and Rachel Maddow on the same show and confronted them with red pill truths and Game-awareness they would eagerly close ranks, reserve their political differences and cooperatively fight for the Feminine Imperative.

This is the degree to which the Feminine Imperative has been saturated into our western social fabric. Catholic women in the Vatican may have very little in common with Mormon women in Utah, but let a Mormon woman insist the church alter its fundamental foundational articles of faith with regard to women in favor of a doctrine substituted by the Feminine Imperative and those disparate women have a common purpose.

That is the depth of the Feminine Imperative – that female primacy should rewrite articles of faith to prioritize women’s interests.

Religious doctrine, legal and political legislation, cultural norms, labor and economic issues; all are trumped by the Feminine Imperative. All have been subverted to defer to the Feminine Imperative while maintaining a default status of victimhood and oppression of women and women’s interests necessary to perpetuate that covert decentralized power base.

It doesn’t matter what world view, ideology or political stripe the opposition holds; men, masculinity and anything contrary to the feminine-primary social narrative will always be a common enemy of the Feminine Imperative, and both liberal and conservative will climb over one another to throw the first punch if it means defending women and defending the feminine social order by proxy.

This is why anything even marginally pro-masculine is vilified in mainstream society. Anything pro-masculine is always an easy, preferred target because it’s so hated, so incorrect, in a feminine-primary context that it can unite people of hostilely opposed political and ideological differences.

It’s my opinion that red pill awareness needs to remain fundamentally apolitical, non-racial and non-religious because the moment the Red Pill is associated with any social or religious movement, you co-brand it with an ideology, and the validity of it will be written off along with any preconceptions associated with that specific ideology.

Furthermore, any co-branding will still be violently disowned by whatever ideology it’s paired with because the Feminine Imperative has already co-opted and trumps the fundaments of that ideology. The fundamental truth is that the manosphere, pro-masculine thought, Red Pill awareness or its issues are an entity of its own.

This is what scares the shit out of critics who attempt to define, contain and compartmentalize the manosphere / Red Pill awareness; it’s bigger than social, racial, political or religious strictures can contain. It crosses all of those constructs just as the Feminine Imperative has co-opted all of those cultural constructs. The feminized infrastructure of the MSM that’s just beginning to take the manosphere seriously enough to be critical are discovering this and trying to put the genie back into a bottle defined by their feminine-primary conditioning.

The idea that one of their own, whether in a liberal or conservative context, is genuinely Red Pill aware and educating others of that awareness is unnerving for the Feminine Imperative that’s already established strong footholds in either ideology.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Like I said earlier, I caught a bit of rugby last week. Tell me about how the rugby culture is treating you and how it makes you be better at being a masculine man. I’m quite unaware of the ins and outs of the game. It seems like it is high risk for sports injuries. But is that just a small relative risk as opposed to an absolute risk to get injured in a 4 year career?

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“That is the red pill that the 15 yr old self would thrive from…”

Wait. What? How old are you rugby?

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About hookers and escorts, just as THIRD WAVE SEX POSITIVE FEMINISM has mainstreamed the stripping “profession”, they too will get prostitution first decriminalized, then legalized, then mainstreamed. In about 15 years “sex worker” will be a high status, high paid profession for our smart, good looking daughters. They’ll call themselves, “sexual relationship professionals” or “sex surrogates”. This is the inevitable progression, just mark my words. I’m not against it. While self-improvement, inner game and all that can probably work for about 50% of men who need social/SMV help, there is not an insignificant percentage of men who have seriously socially… Read more »

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@sjfrellc 27 I meant to say at 15 that would have really helped. “But is that just a small relative risk as opposed to an absolute risk to get injured in a 4 year career?” Compared to american football I would go with rugby. You can get a hit and pass out its happened at my second practice. I slowed down and this Jamaican kept running at me. He hit me so hard that I flow about 4 feet in the air passed the goal line and woke up with half my face coverd in blood. I swear tha I… Read more »

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The hardest Red Piller is the inner city black male. He, more than other, knows the stark reality of female nature and leaves no stone unturned in describing that nature in his music and poetry. If you want to see a genuine Red Pill culture look no further than that culture. They reject the FI, marriage with its kitchen bitch coonery and childcare 100%. Marriage and family is mainstream Blue Pill FI to the max. There is a culture that rejects all that. The question is: do you want to be a part of that culture? Loading...

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So it’s Monday night. It’s been a busy week. I work all day tomorrow. Tomorrow is Tuesday. My 25th anniversary. Cinqo de Mayo (I’m so old, I don’t remember that being an eventful day in 1990–real holidays are fixed to Fridays and Mondays). My wife is due to start her period tomorrow and I haven’t thought of a decent gift or a way to celebrate the day. Except to tell her “Honey I feel better about myself”. Heh Heheh. I’m thinking a $40 bottle of champagne, a bag of Skittles, and a gum-wrapper ring (the dull silver colored side?). Wtf?… Read more »

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Glenn,

Just stfu. You’re sounding like an undergrad showing off his ‘booklearnin’. It is really obnoxious.

Just as I don’t need to read Weber to understand how to run my biz, or Darwin to understand evolution, nobody needs to understand Engels to understand obnoxious women with hairy vulvas.

which came first? homo sapiens or Das Kapital?

Now go away you pedantic douche.

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If MGTOW means no marriage, then the push toward it by our social engineers has already been underway since the 70s. The amount of anti-marriage and anti-monogamy material put out by well-known mainstream establishments and “think tanks” is currently at a peak.

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” obnoxious women with hairy vulvas.”

Its a post-puberty thing.

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The Baltimore rioters make the red pillers here look pink. Those are men and boys who know wassup with women, the state, the military industrial complex, the establishment, the whole damn lie.

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@Mad Yale Grad May 4th, 2015 at 10:51 pm Where do you live and where is your reference for them triumphing? Women have gotten their way with inner city black males. Name me an urban black society that isn’t ruled by a matriarchy. What ground does a successful black male in an urban city stand on. Fucking baby mammas? (sic) Matriarchal societies are in the eyes of a man, not as good as patriarchal societies. ref.: “The Way of Men” Chapter 11, p. 109 “The Bonobo Masturbation Society” In a land of plenty or a land of social welfare aplenty,… Read more »

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“The Baltimore rioters make the red pillers here look pink. Those are men and boys who know wassup with women, the state, the military industrial complex, the establishment, the whole damn lie.” You can have red pill awareness up the wazhoo. But unless you know how to perform, have value and skill. Perhaps with intellectual skill and having read lots of books simply rioting against “higher ups” and ” The Man” won’t get you farther on in life. Sure you can have red pill awareness of how things really work in intersexual behaviorism and you can realize how politics is… Read more »

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Novaseeker, “there is a huge qualitative difference in the sex with a woman who just wants you to bang her for the fun of it, on the one hand, and someone who will bang you because you are paying her” – LOL! The “qualitative difference” comes in the skills, of which professionals have loads more of. Lone Survivor, “That, my friend, is the feminine imperative. Do you really believe hookers do not enjoy sex? Well, there are those who do not enjoy it, true. There are others, especially if you are young and well-built, who enjoy it. An example: last… Read more »

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sjfrellc my point is that mainstream white America is always 30ish years behind black America. 30plus years ago black boys and men started rebelling against the state, feminism and women in general. They went their own way. Pimps up, hos down. The end result is what you see today in the streets of Baltimore. That’s where red pill inevitably leads.

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@sjfrellc

“My wife is due to start her period tomorrow and I haven’t thought of a decent gift or a way to celebrate the day.”

Your cock in a silver bow. “Bought you a sucker. Hurry up and unwrap it.”

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@Male Yale Grad – good point about Black America. Game (atleast in it’s raw hardcore form) originated in the ghettos even before these PUA clowns came out of their dad’s cocks. I understand middle class Yanks are using a softcore form of game that Rollo has alluded to, but even Roosh has commented on what you noted and said that society is screwed in the future (you don’t have to be MGTOW or even Red Pill to see this). @Male Yale Grad you will agree with this (Sorry for the repost everyone else): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNttiuddy6E TRP needs to focus more on… Read more »

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@The Red Baron

oooooooooooh myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!! You, sir, are a genius!!!! Love that video!

And this is where some of the fundamentals of TRP are flushed down the toilet.

Rephrasing The Matrix:
NEO: Are you telling me that I can convince women and hack their brains to get laid?
MORPHEUS: No, what I am telling you is that once you are ready you won’t need to.

Great thoughts of yours too!

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@The Red Baron How interesting? I have a ‘friend’, “natural alpha”, when we go out he get s the girl|s every time. He’s penniless, relies on his soft harem to get him through. Includes his ex wife that he gave chlamydia, and still buys him a car, never a dollar of child support, lives with his ex girl friend, that still desires him, rent free. Not to mention the frequent strippers and eight ball benders. Has a low wage job and has no clue about the red pill or the man-o- sphere. He would sell you out in a heart… Read more »

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Blaximus, “It’s an old song, but never the less relevant. In the late 50’s through the mid 70’s, if you were a poor family and wanted the available gov’t assistance, the able bodied male could not inhabit the residence.” – You’re suggesting that the US government convinced married black women to divorce their husbands in order to receive cheese? “Social workers would check up on recipients of gov’t funds and inspect the residence to assure the money wasn’t being spent on anything not essential to survival. This set the stage for disaster.” – How did it “set the stage for… Read more »

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“@Male Yale Grad you will agree with this …” – Nope, I don’t agree with Bar Bar’s assertion that the government went into homes and “removed fathers”. This notion that married black women back in the ’60s divorced their able-bodied working husbands in exchange for food stamps is ludicrous. The fact is that the government stepped up to provide housing and cheddar to single moms who’s (unmarried, to them anyway) baby daddies had long bounced, and were never “in the home” to start with. Black men have been “going their own way” for a good minute now, son. “good point… Read more »

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Govt’s role accelerated the single-mom phenomenon – when you subsidise any activity you get more of it, if you watch his other vids he agrees with you in fact. Govt. didn’t force women to divorce rape their husbands – they did it consciously and calculatedly, they were in marriage primarily for the money (other than status).

Feminism and govt. instituted no fault divorce appealed to women’s biology and security needs – it had nothing to do with the ‘it corrupted our poor innocent darling’ angle that is often bandied about.

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The Red Baron,

“Prostitution deregulates the SMP to a big extent, women become a lot less cuntish eg German women due to competition from eastern-european sex workers. The american men have a more incomplete world view than their european counterparts when it comes to this.”

Americans are simultaneously oversexed and prudish. Porn and strip clubs are legal and mainstream (and big bizniz, yeah capitalism!), with their kids logging on at age 7 as reported by Softek, while prostitution remains illegal, sex education in schools is still debated, and some even oppose contraception!

A confused lot they are.

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“Govt’s role accelerated the single-mom phenomenon – when you subsidise any activity you get more of it, if you watch his other vids he agrees with you in fact. Govt. didn’t force women to divorce rape their husbands – they did it consciously and calculatedly, they were in marriage primarily for the money (other than status).” He was talking about the government initiatives that were started for black moms in the 60s. They started for the CHILDREN of the single moms , not the married black women. No government agency or social worker went into any married woman’s house and… Read more »

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Just curious, why do you think African American men abandoned families? Historically they have always had higher illegitimacy rates I give you that – I am assuming it was a cultural thing due to slavery splitting families and no one ‘taught’ them to be married. I googled it as well:

https://www.google.com/search?q=black+illegitimacy+rates&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=BndIVZrWGomjgwTi94CIAg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAw&biw=1280&bih=963

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I could just imagine Lonestar and MYG sitting in the waiting room for a couple of hookers at 3am on Sunday morning, dead tired of pretending to be interested in the 47th John of the night. @ MYG – – “LOL! The “qualitative difference” comes in the skills, of which professionals have loads more of.” Not much “skill” in looking young, fuckable, giving half decent blowjobs and spreading legs. She might know reverse cowgirl etc and can fake a few moans and groans but I think it’s Men that are the skilled ones when it comes to fucking. We have… Read more »

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“wouldn’t you want your woman to enjoy you fucking her?”

To me it doesn’t matter either way – if you wanna have wild sex with me for my looks..you are just as opportunistic if you wanna do the same wild thing for the money or some future financial rewards or because I am a famous rock-star.

A dark-triad guy from the ghetto even told me it doesn’t matter what she thinks even if she did it to save her indebted brother’s life – implying he doesn’t consider getting validated from a female whatsoever as long he gets what he wants.

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@ red baron – A woman being fucked skillfully has nothing to do with needing validation. If you can’t tell when a woman has been fucked within an inch of her life, well…

If I can see/hear/feel her enthusiasm it makes my dick harder and the experience better,

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So it’s not you but your dick that needs validation – you can’t get it up and enjoy otherwise … ah makes sense!

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my dick always needs validation from pussy. No , I can’t get it up for hookers, fatties etc. You can?…ah makes sense!

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No one said fatties, we were just talking about hookers.. epic comprehension fail!

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I put hookers and fatties in the same box – an absolute last resort.

Keep telling yourself hookers are the answer,

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Keep pedestalising female validation as a precondition to enjoying sex.

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Rollo —

There may be a good new book idea for you here — “The Rational John”.

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No ‘Rational Pussy-beggar’ is a better title.

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@TheRedBaron

No ‘Rational Pussy-beggar’ is a better title.

Now now, you don’t have to be that down on yourself.

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Comprehension Fail Part 2, pussy beggar was obviously not referring to me but what else can I expect from validation seeking nether apes.

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Your comment of the government and single moms reminds me of my biological family in 2015.

Also many disturbing dinner conversations.

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“…I needed so much to get laid that I called a hooker and started bantering with her, she wanted to charge me 100 euro for going to her house… she ended coming to my place for 70 euro. It had the best body I ever fucked …” So she invested her time into you, trying to complete the sale. All you had was 70, she wanted 100. Does she walk away with nothing after investing her time? Or does she go ahead and take your 70? Hookers are sales people just like any other (saleswomen? Saleshookers? Saleswhores?). She made the… Read more »

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“The full 100 would of got you anal. Just sayin’

…and your name is caveclown. I’m guessing there’s a good story there.

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@TheRedBaron

“Comprehension Fail”, he said right before broadcasting his failure to comprehend my humor.

It’s impressive how completely you get everything wrong by taking it so seriously.

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@Sun Wukong “Hell, by your reasoning, time for me to go get a 6 figure job at McDonald’s. When they tell me the position doesn’t pay that much, I’ll tell them I identify as a man worth $100k/yr for working in fast food. Let’s see how well that goes over.” You are going way off the silly deep end to disprove to yourself something I touched upon. Why? @sifrellc “Having every thing fit in your frame is great is you can keep rock solid frame.” One basic symptom of “insanity” is the inability or refusal to distinguish between reality and… Read more »

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@Not born this morning
Tell me what does working smart mean to you?

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@CaveClown ““…I needed so much to get laid that I called a hooker and started bantering with her, she wanted to charge me 100 euro for going to her house… she ended coming to my place for 70 euro. It had the best body I ever fucked …” So she invested her time into you, trying to complete the sale. All you had was 70, she wanted 100. Does she walk away with nothing after investing her time? Or does she go ahead and take your 70? Hookers are sales people just like any other (saleswomen? Saleshookers? Saleswhores?). She made… Read more »

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@Sun Wukong – yes humour. You didn’t seem to get mine.

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@lone survivor

“In a healthy relationship, both male and female go in to GIVE.”

A man that only gives, and never takes, is a man that has nothing.

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“The full 100 would of got you anal. Just sayin’
…and your name is caveclown. I’m guessing there’s a good story there.”

I’ll ignore the attempt at an anal sex joke.

Caveclown was coined by a now deceased buddy of mine that said you have to be both a caveman and a clown in order to be successful with women in today’s world.

He killed himself over his wife filing for divorce and taking half his company that he inherited from his dad 20 years before.

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Rollo had a post… “The New Thin” http://imgur.com/xVS0HN1

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@Caveclown “A man that only gives, and never takes, is a man that has nothing” 1. That is scarcity mindset. A truly masculine man is valued for his character and his capacity to provide. People go to a truly masculine man because he is a source of wealth, manifested as wisdom, empathy, understanding and resources. That is how true leaders are made. 2. A man who is wealthy gives and never ends having nothing. Giving is not material, it is in the form of time, patience, understanding, caring. 3. Like I said: IN HEALTHY RELATIONSHIPS BOTH MAN AND WOMAN ENTER… Read more »

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Lone Survivor, please read Rollo’s essay “The Evolution of Game” essay and spare us from you saying “PUA” Game is bullshit.

http://therationalmale.com/2013/04/19/the-evolution-of-game/

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The notion that people enter relationships to give is sugar-coated blue pill nonsense. Men and women both enter relationships solely to get what they want from the other person. The moment that is no longer true, the relationship should dissolve if it hasn’t already. “Healthy” relationship is a term with so much relative meaning as to be undefined. All that is required for a relationship to continue is that both sides continue to have their needs met. Blue-pill oriented men are actually deceived into thinking that if they give up what women want, they will be rewarded with what they… Read more »

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“Game is far more evolved than that.”

It’s funny how in order to evolve, men have had to more fully embrace their animal/intuitive/biologic/instinctual nature.

Society would have you believe that evolution is only possible if the opposite is true.

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@ Rollo

I agree. I keep hearing game/pua referred to as an act or pretending to be something you’re not. This completely misses to point of learning how to interact with women and people in general by having a more specific understanding, then taking that knowledge and putting it into practice, making it second nature ( and then first nature ).

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If PUA/Game is just a bunch of tricks or an act that doesn’t really work, then state-on-state war/economic negotiation summits amount to little more than magic shows.

Denial of social dynamics is denial of nature.

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@MYG Do you believe in hypergamy? Of course no gov’t agency went into married couple’s homes and told the wife to divorce her husband for what’s behind door number 2. What I’m talking about is the scenario of the husband losing his employment ( and maybe running out of unemployment benefits. There was a time when unemployment bennies did not go on for years ) and the family deciding that they needed some help. If the man was present in the home, help would not be forthcoming. You figure out what happened from there. And gov’t assistance was not created… Read more »

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@ Rollo Well, you are actually failing to see one thing: according to the hypergamy principle, game es either obsolete of what PUA considers “beta”. A man who works on every aspect of himself does not need to use PUA crap. Why? Because it is what hypergamous women strive to. Say you are a Chemical engineer who make 100k net income a year. You do sports, keep a good diet and have an exciting life. Maybe you have your own small house, a decent car and go skying in the winter and surfing in the summer. Do you think you… Read more »

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@Caveclown Hey brother that’s one hell a sad and relatable story. It happened to my uncle but he didn’t take his own life. @Rollo “Without the red pill being applied it’s just mental masturbation.” Yeah that’s me at the moment. Self surgery today I realized a few things growing up that have become blue pill habits. One thing is a shit test. My environment was filled with shit test. I didn’t understand why I was being made fun of. A really harmful beta dad would use femenine insults. Just came back from a 5 mile bike ride and realize how… Read more »

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@Lone Survivor A man who works on every aspect of himself does not need to use PUA crap. Why? Because it is what hypergamous women strive to. This is nonsense. You could be George Clooney and women will still shit-test you. They literally cannot help it. They will engage in subtle social attempts to gain mastery over the situation and put you out of your frame. If you don’t know any PUA/Game, you’ll fail those tests and women will leave you. Say you are a Chemical engineer who make 100k net income a year. You do sports, keep a good… Read more »

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PS 1: A person’s value is measured in terms of what he/she has to offer to society. If a person offers nothing, then he/she is worthless.

PS 2: if a man does not offer anything, then he has no negotiation power. If she misbehaves you cannot take anything away as you did not gave her anything. Why would a woman care about you if you are only interacting with her to GET something OUT of her? any random guy who tops your offer by adding anything immediately surpasses you.

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@Lone Survivor PS 1: A person’s value is measured in terms of what he/she has to offer to society. If a person offers nothing, then he/she is worthless. That might be meaningful except for all the stories I personally have heard of natural social alphas with no job and no money who live in garages and managed to pull attractive women DOWN with them. I’ll bet you never considered that aspect of society, did you? Why would a woman care about you if you are only interacting with her to GET something OUT of her? All that matters to her… Read more »

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Caveclown: “…and your name is caveclown. I’m guessing there’s a good story there.”
-I’ll ignore the attempt at an anal sex joke.”

I didn’t realize it was inappropriate to make a quip in response to a reference to booty-glazing a one-benny ho.

Sorry to hear about your friend, sincerely.

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@Blaximus

Suffice to say that boys raised by single moms think more like women than traditional men.

Yep. And from firsthand experience I can say it’s an absolute motherfucker to spend the rest of your life reversing that shit.

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Of course, elite athletes never get divorced and women disable their natural instincts to be with Hollywood movie stars. Awalt man, awalt. Very few men have absolutely nothing to offer. Men generally lack the ability to recognize what certain women at differing stages of their lives are looking for. Gee, what could possibly help these men capitalize on these facts? There must be a word for that…. Let me pose a question, what exactly are men supposed to be ” negotiating ” for? The idea of negotiating anything outright with a woman turns my stomach, unless I’m trying to but… Read more »

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@Sun

I hear you loud and clear. Nowadays it is becoming the norm. The majority of males I interact with that are younger than me were raised by single moms. It is rare for them to break out of how they were reared. My current woman is a teacher at the pre-K level, and she tells me that every boy in her class sits down on the toilet to pee. Every. Single. One.

But the good news is, any man can change. Iron sharpens Iron.

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@Blaximus We are talking about sex, not marriage. High performance athletes get laid as much as they want, whether you like it or not. They don’t even need to game due to two reasons: 1. they are 1 in a million 2. they are achievers 3. they have money Have you ever seen a Michael Jordan attending a PUA seminar? It is true, all men have something to offer. Then manage to place yourself in a context where your offer is valuable and then be assertive. If you are a clever man who has a sharp sense of humor and… Read more »

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I’m still at great odds with the negotiation concept.

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Dennis Rodman wrote a wonderful once upon a time. In it, he described the NBA as being shorthand for ” Nothing But Ass “. He described elaborate things women would do to bypass security to get up to players rooms. Maybe this sounds all fine and dandy, but look at the large numbers of athletes in certain sports with multiple baby-mommas costing them millions even after their playing days are done. I get the allure and mysticism we as society want to bestow on our celebs, But these are just people who as vulnerable to the massive fuck-ups that we… Read more »

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Um that should read Dennis Rodman wrote a wonderful book….

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@Lone

You really don’t think very much of the Common Man, do you?

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@Rollo

If you talk about “game” as personality traits a person brings unconsciously when trying to seduce a woman, yes, I agree… it is true. We all have “game”.

if you talk game in the PUA sense, which is manipulation, lies, and psychological violence, I disagree.

Do you know what is the problem of PUA game?

It is adapted to sick environments (clubs/parties/bars). Over time, your game becomes you, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy: you only find shitty women because it is the only thing you can attract and retain in your life.

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@Blaximus
I would rather piss my pants than sit on a toilet. Man that’s really sad.

@Sun wukong
“And from firsthand experience I can say it’s an absolute motherfucker to spend the rest of your life reversing that shit.”
Yeah that’s the part that draws me take note in Rollos books…

(Hope that’s not disrespectful to you Rollo, just helps me think from your view to my own experience)

@Lone
It must amazing seening your social skills flourish in person.

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Rollo, I respect you for your honesty. You are a man who openly discloses the number of women he slept with, while other people say “I slept/dated hundreds of women”. The metal scene is a different context. Oh, and this: “I had marginal social proof from playing in some semi-pro bands” That explains a lot. Despite the absence of money, you were “someone” in the eyes of those girls. Probably they thought of you as the next Dave Mustaine. Something similar happens in a different yet similar context: I have seen DJs who are completely unknown, playing in shitty clubs… Read more »

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Vagina tingles trump money, power and societal status. Just sayin’.

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“…and your name is caveclown. I’m guessing there’s a good story there.”
-I’ll ignore the attempt at an anal sex joke.”
I didn’t realize it was inappropriate to make a quip in response to a reference to booty-glazing a one-benny ho.”

It’s ok liz i forgive you

lol

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@Blaximus
Yeah over bearing shit testing
Keeps me learning
“But these are just people who as vulnerable to the massive fuck-ups that we are all in danger of.”
That we everyone is a gilft here to learn from especially you @Lone

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grin

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@ lone What would you do if you were involved in a terrible skee ball accident, and you had to live off of disability and had a pronounced limp for the rest of your life? I’m not sure hookers offer a payment plan. My point is that a man is more than the measure of his overall power. The measure of a man is the power he has over his own life. I won’t go into fiat currencies and all that ( a much broader point for the money lovers ) but men prove every single day that they can… Read more »

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@Lone Survivor It is adapted to sick environments (clubs/parties/bars). Over time, your game becomes you, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy: you only find shitty women because it is the only thing you can attract and retain in your life. Know this from experience do you? All women (just as all men) operate with the same base instincts. How you use game, and to which women you decide to apply it to has absolutely no bearing on it’s capabilities. What form of arrogance allows you to judge women (much less any human being) by how effectively they can be persuaded… Read more »

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… Someone had a large glass of Haterade this morning.

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@Jeremy
“Do you not know your own weaknesses as a human with desire?”

That precisely why I am here.

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““I had marginal social proof from playing in some semi-pro bands” That explains a lot. Despite the absence of money, you were “someone” in the eyes of those girls. Probably they thought of you as the next Dave Mustaine.” The battle cry of a gamma. But he is (insert rationalization here)!!! Better looking, more alpha, taller, bigger meat popsicle, richer, poorer, etc, etc, etc. Bleh. Come on dude. “you only find shitty women because it is the only thing you can attract and retain in your life.” Me thinks I read something about “the myth of the quality woman” somewhere… Read more »

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” But this shouldn’t dissuade you from recognizing a very important truth — for all their bluster and trumped-up demands, women will surrender rather easily to a dude with a righteous tattoo. ”

Classic truth.

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“The majority of males I interact with that are younger than me were raised by single moms. It is rare for them to break out of how they were reared. My current woman is a teacher at the pre-K level, and she tells me that every boy in her class sits down on the toilet to pee. Every. Single. One.” That’s really fucked up. With single motherhood increasing, I predict a massive increase in the number of betas in the coming years in the general population. More women will be disinclined to marry or seek relationships with these feminized men.… Read more »

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I live in Canada. I want to buy preventive medicine in a real store and not on the internet.

where can I find it?

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@ Excalibur This has been something that has, and continues to fascinate me as I witness it. Funny thing is, I’m not certain that most of these kids grow into Betahood. Don’t get me wrong, some give up and take large gulps from the fem-keg, but I’ve witnessed a strange group of boys in the 17-20-25 year old range who are as female acting as the females, not in a gay way, but they are extremely emotional, fashion conscience and bitchy. Then there is another “type” that pursues chicks for sex, but neither the chick or the guy really knows… Read more »

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PS: Women are disinclined to marry already. They still like the formality of the princess wedding, but the idea of marriage as an end goal doesn’t start to sink in until they reach their late 20’s to early 30’s. That’s not as much a problem as the dick count they amass by that time warps their brains ( among other anatomical parts ) making them shitty wives and mothers. I have a particular goddaughter who married at 18. Her husband is in the air force and she moved just off base in a home with him. Funny thing is, everyone… Read more »

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@blaximus
“No one knows what the future holds, but I will always marvel at the fact that her ideals are considered unrealistic and a mental defect that she has.”

That sounds so sad in a social way…

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@ Rugby

We are in some sad, strange times my friend.

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