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Dalrock had an interesting post this morning – Black Fathers Don’t Matter – that mends nicely with a topic I was poking at in Obesity Culture:

While HHS (Health and Human Services) says any man currently shacking up with mom counts as the father, the Census says any man currently shacking up with mom counts as the father so long as mom says so.  Either way, fathers clearly can’t matter that much to the US government if distinguishing between the actual father and the man currently banging mom isn’t important.

There are other ways we can tell that fathers don’t matter (and therefore Black fathers don’t matter).  Under our current family system fathers are a sort of deputy parent. Just like a sheriff’s deputy serves at the pleasure of the sheriff, a father in an intact family serves at the pleasure of the mother.  Our entire family court structure is designed to facilitate the removal of the father should the mother decide she no longer wants him to be part of the family unit.  How important can fathers really be, when we have a massive and brutal bureaucracy devoted to helping mothers kick them out of the house?

What Dal is pointing out here has a far broader implication than simply how various governments define fatherhood. Many critics of my defining the Feminine Imperative like to think it’s a work in conspiracy. However, as I’ve explained before, there really is no need for a conspiracy; the Feminine Imperative has no centralized power base because feminine-primacy is so ensaturated into our collective social consciousness. It needs no centralization because feminine social primacy is literally part of women’s self-understanding – and by extension men’s understanding of women and what women expect of them.

Thus, on a Hypergamous social scale we see that Protein World’s male focused ad gets no such vandalism. The message is clear – It is Men who must perform, Men who need to change themselves, optimize themselves and strive for the highest physical ideal to be granted female sexual approval. Women should be accepted, respected and expected to inspire genuine desire irrespective of men’s physical ideals.

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On more than a few occasions I’ve made the connection that what we see in a feminine-primary societal order is really a reflection of the female sexual strategy writ large. When we see a culture of obesity, a culture of body fat acceptance and a culture that presumes a natural evolved order of innate differences between the sexes should be trumped by self-impressions of female personal worth, we’re viewing a society beholden to the insecurities inherent in women’s Hypergamy.

A feminized, feminist, ordered social structure is one founded on ensuring the most undeserving women, by virtue of being women, are entitled to, and assured of, the best Hypergamous options by conscripting and conditioning men to comply with Hypergamy’s dictates.

I’m quoting this again here because, in light of Dalrock’s observations, it’s important for men to really understand that the power struggle women claim to be engaged in with men has already been settled on a meta, social scale. When a father is whomever a woman says he is, that’s a very powerful tool of social power leveraging.

  • A father is anyone a woman/mother claims he is
  • A father is legally bound to children he didn’t sire
  • A father is prevented at great legal and social effort from access to DNA testing of children he suspects aren’t his own
  • A father is legally responsible for the children resulting from his wife/girlfriend cuckolding him
  • A father is financially obligated to the support of children that he didn’t sire or he had no power in deciding to sire

These aren’t just examples relating to men’s lack of power in parenting; these are examples of determining the degree of control a man can exercise over the direction of his entire life. From Truth to Power:

Real Power is the degree to which a person has control over their own circumstances. Real Power is the degree to which we control the directions of our lives.

The inherent insecurity that optimizing Hypergamy poses to women is so imperative, so all-consuming, to their psychological wellbeing that establishing complex social orders to facilitate that optimization were the first things women collectively constructed when they were (nominally) emancipated from men’s provisioning around the time of the sexual revolution.

Ensuring the optimization of women’s biologically prompted Hypergamy is literally the basis of our current social order. On a socio-political scale what we’re experiencing is legislation and cultural mandates that better facilitate Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks.

Driver had a good comment from the last post that illustrates another aspect of this feminine-power consolidation (emphasis mine):

“All the “feeling good about your body” that a fat woman can muster is NEVER going to be an aphrodisiac or a substitute for having a great body that men are aroused by.”

It’s funny how women are very attracted to a guy who works out, eats rights and takes care of his body but they fully expect men to love them (or be attracted to them) for “who they are” – thin or big. You would think that these overweight women would get the memo by now but women (and more of them) keep getting bigger each year.

Feminine-Primary Social Doctrine is the Extension of Women’s Hypergamy

In a feminine-primary social order women presume, without an afterthought, that they are entitled to an attractive guy who works out and meets or exceeds women’s very stringent and static physical ideal. At the same time they expect an entitlement to absolute control of that attraction/arousal process regardless of, and to the exception of, any influence or difference in men’s control of that process. And they expect this without any thought to meriting it beyond appeals to a nebulous and inflated concept of their personal self-worth.

When we consider the present, ambiguous state of sexual consent laws we begin to understand the latent Hypergamous purpose those laws serve – absolute consolidation of women’s Hypergamous strategies as the motivator of any sexual encounter.

Furthermore, they expect an entitlement, either directly or indirectly, to the material support and provisioning of men for no other reason than they were born female.

Any deviation from this is on the part of  men is met with a cultural reprisal designed to convince or coerce men to accept their inevitable role in providing those entitlements to women. When those social contingencies fail, or become played out, the Feminine Imperative then appeals to legal legislation to mandate men’s compliance to what amounts to women’s social entitlement to optimized Hypergamy.

Legislating Hypergamy

From the Alpha Fucks side of Hypergamy this amounts to socially shaming men’s sexual imperatives while simultaneously empowering women’s short-term sexual strategies and fomenting men’s societal acceptance of it (i.e. the Sandberg plan for Open Hypergamy). This is further enforced from a legal perspective through consent laws and vague “anti-harassment” legislation to, ideally, optimize women’s hypergamous prospects.

When we read about instances of the conveniently fluid definitions of rape and harassment (not to mention the pseudo-victimhood of not being harassed), this then turns into proposed “rape-by fraud” legislation. Hypergamy wants absolute certainty, absolute veracity, that it will be secured in its optimization. And in an era when the only restraint on Hypergamy depends on an individual woman’s capacity for being self-aware of it, that Hypergamy necessitates men be held legally responsible for optimizing it.

Even the right for women to have safe and legal abortions finds its root in women’s want to mandate an insurance of their Hypergamous impulses. Nothing says “he wasn’t the right guy” like the unilateral power to abort a man’s genetic legacy in utero.

Feminist boilerplate would convince us that expanding definitions of rape is an effort to limit men’s control of women’s bodies – however, the latent purpose of expanding the definition is to consolidate on the insecurity all women experience with regard to optimizing Hypergamy.

The Beta Bucks insurance aspect of Hypergamy is evidenced by cultural expectations of male deference to wives’ authority in all decision making aspects of a marriage or relationship. And once again this expectation of deference is a grasping for assurances of control should a woman’s Hypergamous choosing of a man not meet her expectations. This is actualized covertly under the auspices of egalitarian equalism and the dubious presumptions of support and feminine identification on the part of men.

Beyond this there are of course the ubiquitous divorce, support, child support and domestic violence legalities that grossly favor women’s interests – which should be pointed out are rooted in exactly the same Hypergamous insecurity that her short-term Alpha Fucks mating strategies demand legislation for.

As Open Hypergamy becomes more institutionalized and made a societal norm by the Feminine Imperative, and as more men become Red Pill aware (by effort or consequences) because of it, the more necessary it will become for a feminine-primary social order to legislate and mandate men comply with it.

Going Mainstream

I’ve addressed this before, but I’ve never done politics on TRM. I will never do screeds on race or multi-culturalism or religion on TRM for a very good reason – it pollutes the message.

We now are seeing the results of this pollution as the manosphere is attacked from both sides of the political spectrum.

I’ve given this example before, but if you put Gretchen Carlson and Rachel Maddow on the same show and confronted them with red pill truths and Game-awareness they would eagerly close ranks, reserve their political differences and cooperatively fight for the Feminine Imperative.

This is the degree to which the Feminine Imperative has been saturated into our western social fabric. Catholic women in the Vatican may have very little in common with Mormon women in Utah, but let a Mormon woman insist the church alter its fundamental foundational articles of faith with regard to women in favor of a doctrine substituted by the Feminine Imperative and those disparate women have a common purpose.

That is the depth of the Feminine Imperative – that female primacy should rewrite articles of faith to prioritize women’s interests.

Religious doctrine, legal and political legislation, cultural norms, labor and economic issues; all are trumped by the Feminine Imperative. All have been subverted to defer to the Feminine Imperative while maintaining a default status of victimhood and oppression of women and women’s interests necessary to perpetuate that covert decentralized power base.

It doesn’t matter what world view, ideology or political stripe the opposition holds; men, masculinity and anything contrary to the feminine-primary social narrative will always be a common enemy of the Feminine Imperative, and both liberal and conservative will climb over one another to throw the first punch if it means defending women and defending the feminine social order by proxy.

This is why anything even marginally pro-masculine is vilified in mainstream society. Anything pro-masculine is always an easy, preferred target because it’s so hated, so incorrect, in a feminine-primary context that it can unite people of hostilely opposed political and ideological differences.

It’s my opinion that red pill awareness needs to remain fundamentally apolitical, non-racial and non-religious because the moment the Red Pill is associated with any social or religious movement, you co-brand it with an ideology, and the validity of it will be written off along with any preconceptions associated with that specific ideology.

Furthermore, any co-branding will still be violently disowned by whatever ideology it’s paired with because the Feminine Imperative has already co-opted and trumps the fundaments of that ideology. The fundamental truth is that the manosphere, pro-masculine thought, Red Pill awareness or its issues are an entity of its own.

This is what scares the shit out of critics who attempt to define, contain and compartmentalize the manosphere / Red Pill awareness; it’s bigger than social, racial, political or religious strictures can contain. It crosses all of those constructs just as the Feminine Imperative has co-opted all of those cultural constructs. The feminized infrastructure of the MSM that’s just beginning to take the manosphere seriously enough to be critical are discovering this and trying to put the genie back into a bottle defined by their feminine-primary conditioning.

The idea that one of their own, whether in a liberal or conservative context, is genuinely Red Pill aware and educating others of that awareness is unnerving for the Feminine Imperative that’s already established strong footholds in either ideology.

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Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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What city is that? Curious

Washington DC.

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@ Lone I don’t have money. How’d I get a couple one night stands? Literally all I did was straight up ask the first girl if she wanted a fuck buddy, and I made it explicitly clear that I didn’t want a relationship. She said “definitely” and drove over to my place within 20 minutes of me asking her. I had to do some convincing to have her come over immediately but she caved pretty quickly. The other girl I’d only met one party earlier blew me on a couch. I thought she was single. She had a boyfriend that… Read more »

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@Macbeth – Ah, thanks for giving some background on your education. Okay, so then you get better than I do how the meta ideas of the left such as post-modernism and post-structuralism have intentionally been used to unmoor “social justice” from modern ideas about reason and classical liberalism utterly. You should also get how overtly and intentionally leftist activism has been collapsed with intellectual,academic, educational work and journalism. It’s considered revealed truth in such circles that an academic or an educator or a reporter is always “acting” in service to some ideology, so it’s only moral and just to pick… Read more »

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@ Novaseeker Yes, the sociological context matters, I agree with you. I want to elaborate on this: “As for “money = hookers”, again, as I wrote above, there is a huge qualitative difference in the sex with a woman who just wants you to bang her for the fun of it, on the one hand, and someone who will bang you because you are paying her”. That, my friend, is the feminine imperative. Do you really believe hookers do not enjoy sex? Well, there are those who do not enjoy it, true. There are others, especially if you are young… Read more »

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@Rugby

1. young women (younger than 27)
2. feminine and caring
3. thin, curved, big boobs

Simple, huh? grin

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Have you realized that you are turning into the woman in society and women are turning into men?

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I used to do online tutoring to an american girl who was from DC and was studying in Hawaii. Her words: “in DC the only thing you need to get laid is a STD test confirming that you are clean”. Needless to say she was 38 and still riding the carousel (and being asian, she looked like a 29 girl).

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Yeah, perhaps Rollo could turn this blog into one about ideological brawling. Seems like a fresh idea.

Or if things are too tame here for the posters wanting red meat with their Pill, why not skip over to Roissy?

If you ask me, politics only to the level of MRA, or hell maybe not even that, please. Keep things like they are. (I’d be far more interested in a second blog about your branding experience than one about politics, actually.)

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Sweet I am from their to Roissy I wonder if I can meet him and Roosh or you for that matter.
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@Lone —

Well, that”s interesting. Certainly not how things work in the US at all.

Can any other European readers confirm that in Europe, women are mostly turned on by your money and your job?

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@ Glenn Leftists are wolves in sheep’s clothing. I always come back to the line: “Don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining.” Which is exactly what they do. There was that kid who started 3D printing guns. They confiscated all his stuff but I think he’s still making high capacity magazines if I remember right from the video I watched. With the increase in technology, people are getting pretty creative. If push comes to shove, things are going to get ugly. People can make laws but people are constantly finding new ways to break them and/or get… Read more »

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Just saw the State Farm commercial – the “Never”ad that shows a man capitulating over and over – in this light, and it’s a mind blower. The formerly single guy gets molded into a husband and father in order to support the wife’s goals. Not his. I got a sense that the underlying message is, “Enjoy your captivity and make her dreams come true, and forget about your say in it,” which is really disturbing that no one I know sees that; they just think it’s an incredibly sweet Hallmark card.

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@Softie – I’m having a hard time keeping up – did you say you got a fuckbuddy? Or is that a failed attempt? Either way, it’s amazing what’s possible when you take a relationship off the table… And don’t bother with the conversation “it’s all about money or not”. In fact, having wealth has both utilitarian and signaling effects in mate selection, and of course, context is decisive. It signals status and also that one is a person who can navigate life and the world successfully. Women’s attraction is complex and both status and utility factors into it. But for… Read more »

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@Glenn I think we have different academic experiences rather than me understanding it better. I read Rawls during my doctorate and wasn’t taken by his stuff. I have come full circle in my thinking though, about poststructuralist and leftist academic thinking, and I stand by earlier statements that some of their work (yes Foucault was a leftie and a fag and still a genius – he taught himself German so he could read Nietzsche in the original language FFS) in the discourse field is actually what the manosphere needs to be able to pitch its solid arguments on the same… Read more »

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First, this thread has turned into some amazing conversations. I wish I had time this weekend to read through it with the attention it deserves. @Divided Line “What is traditional masculinity though?” Still trying to figure that out in our modern context. “Because it also entailed being a provider draft horse. The only socially acceptable aspect of traditional masculinity that remains is the beta bux provider. It’s not as if it is an invention of the FI or feminism.” Well, first, it wasn’t ONLY about being a provider draft horse. It was about being the head of the household, the… Read more »

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@BP “I also think this plays into the hysteria about rape culture. The fear is not so much about rape but about 2nd tier and lower men behaving as though they were top tier.” Powerful observation. I’ve seen this with my own eyes, the visceral distress a woman displays when a lower tier man thinks he has a shot. Not enough sexy to go around. I have a sneaking suspicion that the lack of sexy will usher in 100% state subsidised child payments, too many sexy men locked down by their ex and child payments. The progression seems to be… Read more »

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@BP

“I also think this plays into the hysteria about rape culture. The fear is not so much about rape but about 2nd tier and lower men behaving as though they were top tier.”

Powerful observation.

I’ve seen this with my own eyes, the visceral distress a woman displays when a lower tier man thinks he has a shot.

Not enough sexy to go around.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the lack of sexy will usher in 100% state subsidised child payments, too many sexy men locked down by their ex and child payments.

The progression seems to be taking place:
Public schooling
Pre schooling
Child care
Subsidised housing

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@ Glenn She did agree to be my fuckbuddy, but I ended up getting cockblocked (someone knocked on the door when I was about to fuck her and wouldn’t leave even though I told them to and kept knocking) and it really freaked her out. I thought it was a shoe-in for at least a temporary fuckbuddy but it just ended up being a ONS. This was from about a year ago when I had my first successful hookup. So she flaked on me too. High flake game, as you said — one thing I’ve braced myself for. Even when… Read more »

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@DividedLine – Of course, Marx was an anti-semite and a racist, but hey go to Hitler comparisons – and don’t expect to be taken seriously forever after. Of course Marxism gained acceptance as an ideology – what, are you claiming such things do so on merit? Are you actually going to claim that the scientific socialism of Marx was a valuable ideology or not? If so, based on what fucking evidence? You see, every society that ever tried Marx’s scientific socialism/communism, from New Harmony to the Soviet Union to the Kibbutzim of Israel have failed utterly. As an aside, the… Read more »

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@Glenn
Hey no offense but keep sharing your exploits I am learning.
@All
Before you folks view tha once in a lifetime fight today if you have cable do consider…
http://varsitycup.us/tickets/

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@Glenn
This video got really into the red pill. As a blue pill male I thought it was just weird but equiality gender places of interest and female and male dynamics where interesting to look into especially at the end.
It’s graphic so be careful but it’s political as well because it’s somewhat true.

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@Nova May I provide additional data? Yes, there is a country where both the carousel and the gold-digger profiles are highly active: Spain In large urban centres (Madrid, Barcelona) women ride the Carousel. However, and big capital letters: THEY DO IT WHEN NO ONE THEY KNOW IS WATCHING THEM. Saw that while in vacations in the Basque Country. Women from Barcelona and Madrid who where nuns in the hostel, playing hard to get and went outside the first night to get fucked by some random guy. Three of these women said they were not interested in marrying (we are talking… Read more »

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@Glenn I see your argument and your frustration, but let me pose two questions: 1) Do you actually want to have political discourse (which you clearly can get elsewhere) on a site most guys don’t come to for political discourse? I mean I know this aspect of Rollo’s writing frustrates you, but for me it’s refreshing to push that out of the way and just consider what I feel are the dynamics that lie underneath the entire political and social structure. OK, you want each of us to read all the books you’ve read on the subject to even start… Read more »

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@Macbeth

And for the record, Rollo’s a man. He can handle Glenn’s “churlish” tone just fine, particularly because we all know no matter what Glenn means well. You think a guy runs discussions as unmoderated as this and doesn’t expect the commenters to rough him up from time to time? Give the guy some credit for knowing what he’s setting himself up for hahahah

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@Glenn I agree with your comment about Baltimore. You have a lot to say about politics. You should start your own blog and go through things chronologically regarding the left, right, front, back, centre or whatever of political thinking and how it’s affecting society today – given it’s not just the feminine imperative screwing things up. (And if you did make a blog, try and keep it simple so that everyone can grasp it as politics “appears” to be complicated enough. Having it written in a way that people can understand would be a breath of fresh air.) @Rollo How… Read more »

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On second though, I’m now trying to start a show where this same commentariat can rage at me in real time. Maybe I haven’t thought this through well enough…

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Politics and self improvement

factors:
He inherited a well-trained army from his father.
He was quick in both decision and action.
He was innovative and daring in battle.
He always led from the front.
He looked after his men who were fiercely loyal.
He was ruthlessness and merciless with those who opposed him.
He was politically astute: bribed and helped those needed as friends.
He understood PR very well and wrote his own history.

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Politics and self improvement
Alexander the Great

Patience
Development
Preparation
Concentration
Steady Progress

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/alex/hd_alex.htm

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@Lone Survivor – >>MONEY GETS YOU LAID AND PUTS YOU IN THE HIGHEST NEGOTIATING POSITION Then why, oh, why do we hear so many stories of wives of wealthy men getting caught tearing one off with the pool boy? So many of these it’s a cliche. Which one of these guys gets the hottest sex, and which one gets put off with, “I have a headache?” You are not looking at this from the POV of the female (or her genes). This is what Rollo has done for us here with this blog – he has shown us the true… Read more »

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@rugby

In self improvement, most men need to understand politics as local social interactions with other individuals and the cascade of events that arise out of that. But right/left national politics? Nope. Most guys won’t be Alexander the great or play the game at that level ever.

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@kyf
“Rather than dogmatically argue and insist that your (ineffective) model is the only correct one, why don’t you read, ask questions, and learn from the experience of others with more of it?”
That sounds like me at such a bad time in my life thanks for teaching me.
@Sun Wukong
Yeah your right but their is something so damn wonderful about Alexander maybe the thrill of just being able to lead that way in front of 50 000 thousand troops.
Well being aware is something I can do in 2015…
So much of the past is important to not just repeat but learn from.

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” . . . money makes you . . ..”

. . . a “John” and a “Mark.”

“You shouldn’t pay attention to what one outcast writes in a blog, sphere or whatever, because his vision is biased.”

Exactly.

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@Kyf Let’s see: “Then why, oh, why do we hear so many stories of wives of wealthy men getting caught tearing one off with the pool boy?” 1. That is what you saw in Hollywood movies. In Hollywood the nice guy steals the hottie from the football team captain, too. 2. I said “money gets you laid”, not “money buys fidelity from your woman”. Now: “Which one of these guys gets the hottest sex, and which one gets put off with, “I have a headache?”” I won’t elaborate because it would be too long. for the answer to that, read… Read more »

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PS: not to mention that if you believe that women do not follow rich men rules you are clearly either naive or ignorant.

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@Lone survivor
“spontaneous, fun and effortless.”
Would you consider that art? Those words put together in real life?
@Rollo
I am starting to understand the importance of what you mentioned in your early youth with your guiltar and amp. It’s all coming together.
Maybe that is what we all must do is not only perform but perform well. While women willingly give a part of them selfs in that phase.
I am stable and humble about how ignorant I am about my biological mechanics.

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“I am not rich . . .”

That is obvious.

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@ Lone I caution you and every eyeball reading here, not to over-estimate the ” money ” factor. If money is solely responsible for getting you laid, you my friend, are Beta Bux material. Most guys here understand that you can be broke and still get laid. Often. When I was in my 20’s, I spent the majority of my cash on guitars, my little weekend drag race car and new tools. I lived in a small attic apartment. Back then I didn’t know the term ” spinning plates “, but I was spinning a damn china cabinet. If I… Read more »

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I am reading here that there is a debate between people who believe that money is the key to sexual relations and other who claim that body-capital is the key. There are other forms of capital than wealth or attraction, social capital (preferential treatment or nondiscrimination) and cultural capital (level of education), for instance. But, what should be addressed is the particulars of these forms of capital and how they convert into sexual interaction (fucking). How much money improves substantially one’s SMV? What kind of body type (post rigorous bodybuilding experience) improves one’s SMV? How much education increases SMV?

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@Lone Survivor: “How to be a 3% man”

Why would I wish to lower myself?

@Fredrick Welfare: “There are other forms of capital than wealth or attraction . . .”

When I answered the question, “Who is the alpha?” with “Me,” I was not talking about myself, just as Rollo was not talking about Lambos.

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@Blaximus
” I used to start it up and put girls on the hood as I blipped the throttle. Worlds fastest vibrator.”
Ahahahahah
Man that made me laugh so hard the whole damn bus is looking at me type this. Thanks for putting that in perspective. Never down a man who is trying to better himself.
I need to remember to put myself their.

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@Blaximus

“I caution you and every eyeball reading here, not to over-estimate the ” money ” factor. If money is solely responsible for getting you laid”

Minute 8:01

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-IGCcSNlnk

Bye, go back to your PUA.

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@Lone

” Bye, go back to your PUA.”

Whatever man. I’d like to catch up to you in 10 years or so and see how the whole prostitute life works out for you.

Not that words penetrate your brain or anything, but I’m not a PUA. Don’t think I ever claimed that. I hear you discussing pussy, and since I’ve had more ( non-prostitute pussy ) than you’ve had oxygen in your lifetime, I just figured I’d try to help you out.

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@Blaximus

When I need your help I will let you know.

Let me ask you.

What have you achieved in life?

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…Btw, if you notice, Bill keeps referring to ” whores “. Just sayin’.

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Dang … Rollo, I can see why you try to keep politics out of the discussion. I usually read from start to end before commenting but just plain ran out of steam. Long, boring treaties … blah, blah, blah. Glenn, I like you man but just dial it back a bit, ok ? And Lone Survivor clearly is a RP rookie who should do the work before opening his mouth AND he clearly is basing much of his experience on things that happened outside the US; so his perspective is different. People here have tried to point that out to… Read more »

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@Lone

LOL. Well, from reading what you’ve written, I’ve achieved more than you have even thought of.

If you don’t want help or understanding, GTFOH. What is your purpose here? You little snot nosed euro-brat. Go back to the bars to get turned down by Portuguese women or whateverthefuck you were saying.

You come here whining and crying about money and whores. We’re having adult conversations. Why don’t you go to the nearest ATM so you can get laid and loosen up a little.

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Would you be so kind of illustrating your great and infinite achievements to an insignificant eathworm such as me?

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There’s no point. Go to work. Money to be made.

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Please, your majesty, enlighten me with your great accomplishments in life.

Tell me how many companies have you founded and sold, in how many different countries have you lived, how many lives have you saved doing heart surgery in the hospital, how many taliban soldiers you killed during Op. Iraqi Freedom, how many olympic medals you have won in the Olympics.

I am pretty sure that a man like you has achieved great things in his life, and that such man does not boils his value down to feminine approval manifested as sexual intercourse.

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@Rocket
You are correct brother be careful NSA put a bit search on Google for torpeoject that than saved your IP address.
By the way look at death row as well 1.88 percent are women. Out of around 3 thousand males. For Tor use a proxy before you access it.
I already get banned for bringing up red pill truths. So if that’s taken away from the Internet I am going to become a farmer and live away from the city.
Off the grid and off the land.
It’s all I have left. It’s their ever was.

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You’re a silly asshole man. But you’re funny. I don’t feel I should tell you anything. Your validation I give less than zero fucks about. Heart surgery? Taliban? I will tell you this much. I’m much older than you. I know more about real life than you. You will never found a company or win an Olympic medal ( sorry, but it’s true ) And you will have to learn lessons the hard way. That’s cool, it’s your life. I don’t worry about money anymore. I’m financially in a place that it will take you another 20-30 years to reach.… Read more »

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“Religious doctrine, legal and political legislation, cultural norms, labor and economic issues; all are trumped by the Feminine Imperative”

They are all in fact agents of the Feminine Imperative and have always been as intended by design from the inception of each.

Men were conscripted into monogamy (including serial monogamy) by the Feminine Imperative to at least mitigate the masculine sexual imperative and women now attempt to mandate elimination of the masculine sexual imperative.

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@Lone

If your belief is “Make money, buy sex from prostitutes” then really you don’t need a lot of what’s written here. Just know about hypergamy and AF/BB and you’re done. Don’t think anymore about it.

No need to engage in insult matches with guys who’ve figured out how to enjoy the game you don’t enjoy.

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@Sun

Leave it to you to sum things up so succinctly.

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@rugby

Fun fact I thought I’d mention: I studied video editing in college under the guy that directed that Prodigy video.

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It’s really remarkable how efficient the AF/BB System is working. It doesnt matter if someone likes PUA and things like that, but every man should know what he is dealing with in terms of women and their “Game”. And for us men there are only 2 possibilities: 1) Play our way of “Game” to win it 2) to go MGTOW ( thats the way Mr. Lone Survivor is going) Speaking for myself, iam stucked in between these 2 points! A new era has begun, gentlemen. @ Rollo: I understand that you dont like to “pollute” the discussion with politics. But… Read more »

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@Blaximus

Law #4
Always say less than necessary

When you are trying to impress people with words, the more you say, the more common you appear, and the less in control. Even if you are saying something banal, it will seem original if you make it vague, open-ended, and sphinx-like. Powerful people impress and intimidate by saying less. The more you say, the more likely you are to say something foolish.

I’ve been reading the 48 Laws of Power and trying to put it in to practice more lately. Law #4 also happens to line up nicely with Stoicism in general.

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@ Sun

Cool (<– One word )

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@Blaximus Actually, it is you who is being swept off his feet. If you read my comments, at all times I have addressed you respectfully. It is you who started ranting and insulting. In terms of learning lessons, yes, I have learned things the hard way. And yes, I am ok with that, learning things the hard way offers knowledge and an increase in stamina. What, is there an “easy” way to learn things in life? Are you old enough to realize that everything in life requires effort and hard work? I am simply stating that physical attractiveness is only… Read more »

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@Sun Wukong
Jonas akurland? The guy loves fast cuts. The end of tha always meant something to me. Because it was a real punch in your face about people’s perception of violence.

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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/01/15/2834DA2400000578-3062467-image-m-58_1430490277656.jpg Beautiful? Priceless? The outcome is 90% likely to be quite ugly and very expensive. Every relationship should be considered a risk and an offer to marry should be considered an extreme long term risk. Based on statistical reality there is about a 95% chance that she will become obese after the contract is executed and before but certainly during the first pregnancy. Chronic obesity will be dishonestly attributed to “difficulty loosing pregnancy fat”. There is no amount of protein or “directorship”, that will even slightly curb the pervasive and ubiquitous tendency toward this most certain outcome. In fact the… Read more »

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@All
Check this project a buddy of mine name James Lewis is working on
http://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=1614

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@Rollo –

“women being the most environmentally at-risk sex needed a social collective to support each other (tribalism), nurture young and cooperatively sustain each other.”

It can be argued that men experientially receive the shittiest end of the environmental risk stick. Not women.

Men are more likely to die in combat, receive far less support, die on average 7 years younger, make the greater sacrifices, provide the greatest effort and receive the least consideration & the most hatred.

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@Not born this morning
“the least consideration & the most hatred.”
Good that brings sheviers to my core…

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@Not born …

Ran across this awhile back … reinforces what Rollo said and just plain makes sense. I booked marked it

https://avengingredhand.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/womans-primordial-fear/

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Rollo –

It can be argued that men experientially receive the shittiest end of the environmental risk stick. Not women.

It can also be argued that this has ALWAYS been the case because in ancient tribal cultures, it was the male who conducted most of the hunting, and tribal warfare, etc. Men have always been at greater risk than women. The male was subject to the greatest environmental risks and often in defense of the female.

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“It can be argued that men experientially receive the shittiest end of the environmental risk stick.”

Because men provide the first line of defense for the more vulnerable women.

The front passenger seat of a car became know as the Suicide Seat, because a disproportionate number of fatalities occur to its occupants. Engineers spent years examining the designs of their cars trying to figure out why before the reason was found:

The seat is disproportionately occupied by women. Women are disproportionately frail.

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https://avengingredhand.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/womans-primordial-fear/

Interesting read, but nothing new.

Not so long ago, women who behaved like feminists and “sluts” do today were burnt at the stake, branded with such marks as “The Scarlet Letter”, banished, etc.

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Sun Wukong, If you’re going to assert that basic biology and evolution prove that basic biology and evolution are not responsible for psychological and social structures, then you’d damn well better back it up I back it up with simple facts that I thought was obvious to even a casual observer. Feminists are going extinct. This is not theory, this is fact. Look at the children being born in the West. They are not being born to feminsts. As is you’re asserting that the effect is the cause. I’m gonna call unconditional bullshit until you can give me some proof.… Read more »

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A fundamental and crucial aspect of my red pill awareness transition (which seems to be endless) involved a perspective shift. My perspective shifted from forward thinking to looking back. Looking back did not involve nostalgia or regret very much. I mostly discarded hopes and dreams while seeking better understanding of how my life conditions came to be. There was much more to be gained by understanding WHAT IS rather than what I hoped to be or what I thought “should” be. I became “forensic” and in doing so, I realized that outcomes point backwards directly to real conditions and actions… Read more »

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@mdavid You’re not disproving shit about the relation of underlying biological factors to femcentric behavior. You’re just going on about your personal fantasy of the death of feminists. Here, let me make it a bit clearer: femcentric behavior is a result of female biology coupled with male:female ratios in a population approaching or exceeding 1:1. It will always be carried latently within females as part of their innate biology, and will be unleashed any time there are any times of extended peace where male:female ratios become favorable to hypergamy. You’re not speaking to biological reality at all. You’re speaking in… Read more »

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@mdavid I’ve seen this theory floated in the manosphere before and it has some merit. Demographic trends indicate that Muslims and Mexicans are overtaking white populations. What you are ignoring is that second generation immigrants often assume the dominant values of their nation. The second generation may not adhere to the family values that served the prior generations so well. A new generation of progressives may be born! Nobody here is myopic about the power of feminism. Feminism is an idea which has upturned ancient patriarchal societies in the span of a few generations. Respect your enemy. Loading...

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@Sun Wukong
I agree that there is an evolutionary basis to feminism’s rise. Womens’ innate hypergamy and collectivist nature will express itself in one form or another. It may be feminism, chivalry or some other nonsense. Whatever shape it takes, the guiding principle is to compel men to sacrifice themselves for the benefit of a woman.

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One does not need to be born feminist to be socialized in to femcentric behavior. There is no part of society immune to that influence anymore. Whether “feminists” have children or not does not matter. Girls are born with hypergamic tendencies which society increasingly celebrates and encourages, and boys are socialized to accept femcentric thinking.

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Tom – “second generation immigrants often assume the dominant values of their nation.”

Except the Muslims. It seems the generations born outside of Muslim dominated regions are more easily radicalized and likely to reject the culture of the host country.

Where you see assimilation in the West is either other westerners, which includes Latin America, or some Asian groups as Western values and social structures, although different, aren’t anti-thetical to the culture left behind.

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@Tom
“compel men to sacrifice themselves for the benefit of a woman.”
The echoes some serious torments in my dreams in a blue pill state.
“Respect your enemy”
In rugby the small guys like me can do some serious damage when people underestimate are size.

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@Not born this morning
Never deny death
That was a gilft a remerber learning awhile ago.
This book really hit me harder than fight club.
http://classroom.rfisd.net/users/0192/A%20Separate%20Peace%20by%20John%20Knowles-Full%20Text.pdf
Alpha state of mind
Blue pill accept your conditions

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@Rollo

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. But I’m betting you knew that before you did.

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Blaximus, you don’t need to qualify yourself to Lone Survivor (and apt handle as he is barely surviving his attempt to qualify himself to us the commentariat). And you didn’t. Only a few more 48 laws of power could apply in addition to Law #4. Sun Wukong well moderated your comments to Lone. Carry on in a tone that doesn’t lean toward Lone’s exhortations. I personally, despite NBTM’s protestations about how hard it is to be a male today, continue to be in the top 5% of males despite my genes. No excuses for female hardwiring will color my best… Read more »

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Males are often excluded from the family at some point, or excluded from females by all male institutions and by mate/daughter guarding. Today the exclusions persist in the form of age restrictions, social class restrictions, status restrictions, etc. Some males do inherit social capital and cultural capital along with their attractiveness or neotany and family wealth all of which mitigate social exclusion. Neglect may therefore be a form of benign abuse to which conditioning modifies their disgust.

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Lineage in western societies is mostly parallel, as distinct from tribes which were either matriarchal or patriarchal. But, the competition and hatred is mostly between males: derogation of competitors. Western society does not accept the in-laws as allies, does not accept the brother-in-law as a helper, therefore, the man often does not return to his family space after marriage and finds a new living space. Today, however, women remain attached to their family and the man moves to the matriarch’s geographical space, with exceptions.

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“When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date of all of them: the bad boys, the cools boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier.” Famous last… Read more »

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By the way, this Clyde Mays Alabama whisky I’m drinking is a good product at about $40. Seems to be smooth with an adulterant that tastes like Coca Cola. I won’t be buying any more but I will be giving the thumbs up to my purveyor to keep it in stock for those who are unsophisticated and say smooth is their modus operandi for bourbon. Rather that character and sophistication.

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Hopefully, I can not screw up the google news like I did when I thought Dr. Oz had his radio show cancelled and I thought it was his TV show.

Perhaps I’m not wrong when Ms. Sandberg’s husband was cancelled rather than her job.

Sorry for my reportage. Did I mention that I’m the least empathetic person ever?

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I like the idea of saying things in a amoral fashion. It serves the manosphere better.

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I missed you
“Learn something here and be a better man. Be a better father to your children. Be a better spouse to your mate. Be a better plate spinner if single , be a better alpha male if needed and a better beta provider to your LTR if needed. Be better and more skillful. In the end it is your outcome that matters, not some debate won online. (And Lack of having game skills or denying their value can get you in a serious world of hurt in today’s declining civilization).”

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@sjfrellc Lone S’s investing in whores, while being a short term strategy to expend less energy, will leave him without an investment that pays dividends when he is 54 years old. He will wake up one day and still have the problem of always having to qualify. Always having to perform and having nothing but term insurance. Nope, my friend. Rollo says in one of his articles that “men are always to perform”, and (Rollo, correct me if I am wrong) we men must constantly strive towards excellence in all aspects of our life. And I agree on that, it… Read more »

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@seraph: “They really don’t CARE about those issues themselves. They wish to be in a position by which they can control others. If you are of the ‘party’ (A true believer) you can get away with almost anything, despite the rhetoric.” Absolutely true. To anyone who pays any attention to the actual behavior of Leftists, your statement above is the overwhelming, and only logical, conclusion. As far as Rollo’s “which came first the chicken or the egg” idea with regards to feminism vis-à-vis socialism; it’s an interesting question, but avoids the fact that modern feminism (1st, 2nd and 3rd wave)… Read more »

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@Rollo Tomassi: “Where is Siirtyrion when I need him?” . . . Hopefully, working on improving his convoluted, borderline incoherent writing style.

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@MacBeth – I find Foucault fascinating and deep, but haven’t looked at him in a long time. Your comment is a good reminder to circle around to read him again. I don’t use the term “fag” and don’t care how much cock he gobbled. This is another thing about the manosphere that pisses me off. I’m not okay with bashing gays, and in fact feel more solidarity with male homosexuals than I do with women. I’m no academic, I’m just an armchair student of all this who got sick of the horseshit being shoved at me even in the supposedly… Read more »

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@SunWukong – Listen, you are clearly about as ignorant of politics as Rollo is – okay, fair enough. Then just don’t talk about about politics here, yeah? I won’t correct you dingbats if you stay off the topic? But this isn’t a female locker room – you guys have little idea what the fuck you are talking about and make breezy, asinine statements which are mostly laughable. I don’t have to sidestep that shit here. In fact, I’m just the guy to cut you down to size so you may realize that you don’t really know what you are talking… Read more »

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I hope Rollo was quoting someone else. I don’t think Rollo is a pussy, I just think he’s a got a blind spot a mile wide when it comes to politics – he mostly doesn’t know the history of our politics actually. I agree, he shouldn’t talk about politics, it’s not his forte. I also think his dismissal of the politics is ignorant and arrogant. I’ve backed up my assertions with dozens of facts, citations, people, places and things. And yes, I’m not nice about it – I’m not here to be nice to you guys. I also think that… Read more »

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@Blaximus – You need to be in the next SunWuGong Show for sure. You have some great ideas and stories. Putting a women on the hood of your car and gunning it, I love it?

Question: What do you attribute your transition to the Blue Pill/Good Man worldview to? Was it really as simple as just deciding to be monogamous? I I think that marriage and monogamy is a program designed to give a man a permanent case of “oneitis”. We also seem to voluntarily de-nut ourselves this way. Would love to hear more from you on this.

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Maybe I missed something, but I don’t think Rollo was dismissing politics was he? He just stated why his blog stays away from it, and said he felt the manosphere should resist binding itself to a political ideology. Red pill men are certainly free to take up the political cause of there choice, but certainly one can see the danger of being dismissed as another “John Birch Society” guy or some other political fringe group. We loose a lot of voice if the media can successfully pigeon hole us.

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@Glenn “On the @SunWuGong Show the other night, I learned that some here doubt my exploits and escapades….” I think that was me. Also, I apologize for not communicating my thought clearly, that wasn’t what I meant. I’ve never doubted your stories, it’s always been pretty clear to me that you were being up-front and genuine. And I have no reason to think others doubt either. What I was trying to say was that, upon first entering the redpill arena, I had difficulty imagining the sorts of things you (and other men with advanced experience with women, like Xplat) were… Read more »

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The threshold issue in the political discussion, apart from the various digressions on specific political philosophers, is the relative degree of importance of politics as compared with the underlying biologically-driven imperatives. There are many points of view one could imagine about this, but for purposes of this thread it seems that the two main points of view are: (1) the biological imperatives are “a priori” to everything else, and therefore the politics of any era is mostly an epiphenomenon which emerges from these imperatives and takes its shape based on contextual factors (time, place, economics, technology, philosophy, etc.); and (2)… Read more »

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@Divided Line Lol’d at your reply to me. Well done. Good comments, as well. This is a great thread. The sort that makes me wish I were an expert in more fields. But I already think I tend to balance my life a bit too far in the abstract realm, I’m trying to experience more… Sigh. @Glenn I think I’m gonna have to call uncle on this one. My intuition is still that political ideologies are little more than playthings for people’s collective and complex self-interests, but it’s little more than that – an intuition. I agree that there’s certainly… Read more »

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