The Political is Personal

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Dalrock had an interesting post this morning – Black Fathers Don’t Matter – that mends nicely with a topic I was poking at in Obesity Culture:

While HHS (Health and Human Services) says any man currently shacking up with mom counts as the father, the Census says any man currently shacking up with mom counts as the father so long as mom says so.  Either way, fathers clearly can’t matter that much to the US government if distinguishing between the actual father and the man currently banging mom isn’t important.

There are other ways we can tell that fathers don’t matter (and therefore Black fathers don’t matter).  Under our current family system fathers are a sort of deputy parent. Just like a sheriff’s deputy serves at the pleasure of the sheriff, a father in an intact family serves at the pleasure of the mother.  Our entire family court structure is designed to facilitate the removal of the father should the mother decide she no longer wants him to be part of the family unit.  How important can fathers really be, when we have a massive and brutal bureaucracy devoted to helping mothers kick them out of the house?

What Dal is pointing out here has a far broader implication than simply how various governments define fatherhood. Many critics of my defining the Feminine Imperative like to think it’s a work in conspiracy. However, as I’ve explained before, there really is no need for a conspiracy; the Feminine Imperative has no centralized power base because feminine-primacy is so ensaturated into our collective social consciousness. It needs no centralization because feminine social primacy is literally part of women’s self-understanding – and by extension men’s understanding of women and what women expect of them.

Thus, on a Hypergamous social scale we see that Protein World’s male focused ad gets no such vandalism. The message is clear – It is Men who must perform, Men who need to change themselves, optimize themselves and strive for the highest physical ideal to be granted female sexual approval. Women should be accepted, respected and expected to inspire genuine desire irrespective of men’s physical ideals.

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On more than a few occasions I’ve made the connection that what we see in a feminine-primary societal order is really a reflection of the female sexual strategy writ large. When we see a culture of obesity, a culture of body fat acceptance and a culture that presumes a natural evolved order of innate differences between the sexes should be trumped by self-impressions of female personal worth, we’re viewing a society beholden to the insecurities inherent in women’s Hypergamy.

A feminized, feminist, ordered social structure is one founded on ensuring the most undeserving women, by virtue of being women, are entitled to, and assured of, the best Hypergamous options by conscripting and conditioning men to comply with Hypergamy’s dictates.

I’m quoting this again here because, in light of Dalrock’s observations, it’s important for men to really understand that the power struggle women claim to be engaged in with men has already been settled on a meta, social scale. When a father is whomever a woman says he is, that’s a very powerful tool of social power leveraging.

  • A father is anyone a woman/mother claims he is
  • A father is legally bound to children he didn’t sire
  • A father is prevented at great legal and social effort from access to DNA testing of children he suspects aren’t his own
  • A father is legally responsible for the children resulting from his wife/girlfriend cuckolding him
  • A father is financially obligated to the support of children that he didn’t sire or he had no power in deciding to sire

These aren’t just examples relating to men’s lack of power in parenting; these are examples of determining the degree of control a man can exercise over the direction of his entire life. From Truth to Power:

Real Power is the degree to which a person has control over their own circumstances. Real Power is the degree to which we control the directions of our lives.

The inherent insecurity that optimizing Hypergamy poses to women is so imperative, so all-consuming, to their psychological wellbeing that establishing complex social orders to facilitate that optimization were the first things women collectively constructed when they were (nominally) emancipated from men’s provisioning around the time of the sexual revolution.

Ensuring the optimization of women’s biologically prompted Hypergamy is literally the basis of our current social order. On a socio-political scale what we’re experiencing is legislation and cultural mandates that better facilitate Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks.

Driver had a good comment from the last post that illustrates another aspect of this feminine-power consolidation (emphasis mine):

“All the “feeling good about your body” that a fat woman can muster is NEVER going to be an aphrodisiac or a substitute for having a great body that men are aroused by.”

It’s funny how women are very attracted to a guy who works out, eats rights and takes care of his body but they fully expect men to love them (or be attracted to them) for “who they are” – thin or big. You would think that these overweight women would get the memo by now but women (and more of them) keep getting bigger each year.

Feminine-Primary Social Doctrine is the Extension of Women’s Hypergamy

In a feminine-primary social order women presume, without an afterthought, that they are entitled to an attractive guy who works out and meets or exceeds women’s very stringent and static physical ideal. At the same time they expect an entitlement to absolute control of that attraction/arousal process regardless of, and to the exception of, any influence or difference in men’s control of that process. And they expect this without any thought to meriting it beyond appeals to a nebulous and inflated concept of their personal self-worth.

When we consider the present, ambiguous state of sexual consent laws we begin to understand the latent Hypergamous purpose those laws serve – absolute consolidation of women’s Hypergamous strategies as the motivator of any sexual encounter.

Furthermore, they expect an entitlement, either directly or indirectly, to the material support and provisioning of men for no other reason than they were born female.

Any deviation from this is on the part of  men is met with a cultural reprisal designed to convince or coerce men to accept their inevitable role in providing those entitlements to women. When those social contingencies fail, or become played out, the Feminine Imperative then appeals to legal legislation to mandate men’s compliance to what amounts to women’s social entitlement to optimized Hypergamy.

Legislating Hypergamy

From the Alpha Fucks side of Hypergamy this amounts to socially shaming men’s sexual imperatives while simultaneously empowering women’s short-term sexual strategies and fomenting men’s societal acceptance of it (i.e. the Sandberg plan for Open Hypergamy). This is further enforced from a legal perspective through consent laws and vague “anti-harassment” legislation to, ideally, optimize women’s hypergamous prospects.

When we read about instances of the conveniently fluid definitions of rape and harassment (not to mention the pseudo-victimhood of not being harassed), this then turns into proposed “rape-by fraud” legislation. Hypergamy wants absolute certainty, absolute veracity, that it will be secured in its optimization. And in an era when the only restraint on Hypergamy depends on an individual woman’s capacity for being self-aware of it, that Hypergamy necessitates men be held legally responsible for optimizing it.

Even the right for women to have safe and legal abortions finds its root in women’s want to mandate an insurance of their Hypergamous impulses. Nothing says “he wasn’t the right guy” like the unilateral power to abort a man’s genetic legacy in utero.

Feminist boilerplate would convince us that expanding definitions of rape is an effort to limit men’s control of women’s bodies – however, the latent purpose of expanding the definition is to consolidate on the insecurity all women experience with regard to optimizing Hypergamy.

The Beta Bucks insurance aspect of Hypergamy is evidenced by cultural expectations of male deference to wives’ authority in all decision making aspects of a marriage or relationship. And once again this expectation of deference is a grasping for assurances of control should a woman’s Hypergamous choosing of a man not meet her expectations. This is actualized covertly under the auspices of egalitarian equalism and the dubious presumptions of support and feminine identification on the part of men.

Beyond this there are of course the ubiquitous divorce, support, child support and domestic violence legalities that grossly favor women’s interests – which should be pointed out are rooted in exactly the same Hypergamous insecurity that her short-term Alpha Fucks mating strategies demand legislation for.

As Open Hypergamy becomes more institutionalized and made a societal norm by the Feminine Imperative, and as more men become Red Pill aware (by effort or consequences) because of it, the more necessary it will become for a feminine-primary social order to legislate and mandate men comply with it.

Going Mainstream

I’ve addressed this before, but I’ve never done politics on TRM. I will never do screeds on race or multi-culturalism or religion on TRM for a very good reason – it pollutes the message.

We now are seeing the results of this pollution as the manosphere is attacked from both sides of the political spectrum.

I’ve given this example before, but if you put Gretchen Carlson and Rachel Maddow on the same show and confronted them with red pill truths and Game-awareness they would eagerly close ranks, reserve their political differences and cooperatively fight for the Feminine Imperative.

This is the degree to which the Feminine Imperative has been saturated into our western social fabric. Catholic women in the Vatican may have very little in common with Mormon women in Utah, but let a Mormon woman insist the church alter its fundamental foundational articles of faith with regard to women in favor of a doctrine substituted by the Feminine Imperative and those disparate women have a common purpose.

That is the depth of the Feminine Imperative – that female primacy should rewrite articles of faith to prioritize women’s interests.

Religious doctrine, legal and political legislation, cultural norms, labor and economic issues; all are trumped by the Feminine Imperative. All have been subverted to defer to the Feminine Imperative while maintaining a default status of victimhood and oppression of women and women’s interests necessary to perpetuate that covert decentralized power base.

It doesn’t matter what world view, ideology or political stripe the opposition holds; men, masculinity and anything contrary to the feminine-primary social narrative will always be a common enemy of the Feminine Imperative, and both liberal and conservative will climb over one another to throw the first punch if it means defending women and defending the feminine social order by proxy.

This is why anything even marginally pro-masculine is vilified in mainstream society. Anything pro-masculine is always an easy, preferred target because it’s so hated, so incorrect, in a feminine-primary context that it can unite people of hostilely opposed political and ideological differences.

It’s my opinion that red pill awareness needs to remain fundamentally apolitical, non-racial and non-religious because the moment the Red Pill is associated with any social or religious movement, you co-brand it with an ideology, and the validity of it will be written off along with any preconceptions associated with that specific ideology.

Furthermore, any co-branding will still be violently disowned by whatever ideology it’s paired with because the Feminine Imperative has already co-opted and trumps the fundaments of that ideology. The fundamental truth is that the manosphere, pro-masculine thought, Red Pill awareness or its issues are an entity of its own.

This is what scares the shit out of critics who attempt to define, contain and compartmentalize the manosphere / Red Pill awareness; it’s bigger than social, racial, political or religious strictures can contain. It crosses all of those constructs just as the Feminine Imperative has co-opted all of those cultural constructs. The feminized infrastructure of the MSM that’s just beginning to take the manosphere seriously enough to be critical are discovering this and trying to put the genie back into a bottle defined by their feminine-primary conditioning.

The idea that one of their own, whether in a liberal or conservative context, is genuinely Red Pill aware and educating others of that awareness is unnerving for the Feminine Imperative that’s already established strong footholds in either ideology.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

676 comments on “The Political is Personal

  1. @Lone

    ” Bye, go back to your PUA.”

    Whatever man. I’d like to catch up to you in 10 years or so and see how the whole prostitute life works out for you.

    Not that words penetrate your brain or anything, but I’m not a PUA. Don’t think I ever claimed that. I hear you discussing pussy, and since I’ve had more ( non-prostitute pussy ) than you’ve had oxygen in your lifetime, I just figured I’d try to help you out.

  2. @Blaximus

    When I need your help I will let you know.

    Let me ask you.

    What have you achieved in life?

  3. Dang … Rollo, I can see why you try to keep politics out of the discussion. I usually read from start to end before commenting but just plain ran out of steam. Long, boring treaties … blah, blah, blah. Glenn, I like you man but just dial it back a bit, ok ? And Lone Survivor clearly is a RP rookie who should do the work before opening his mouth AND he clearly is basing much of his experience on things that happened outside the US; so his perspective is different. People here have tried to point that out to him but he refuses to acknowledge it.

    I do believe that Politics is playing a huge part of the dismantling of men and society though. The theory behind it, I could care less about. This is what I do care about. Women operate by the Herd instinct and will vote for whatever politician supports their agenda. Female bias for other females and children trump all.

    So here is how it works. Women vote in left leaning politicians. They enact legislation that is anti-male. Judges are politicians in robes. And they enforce and interpret the law with an anti-male bias. Police unions are Leftists through and through and cooperate with their political overloads. The legal system becomes a way to control men by threatening them with arrest if they do not comply with the FI.

    That is where we are today in the US and it is only going to get worse. If you do research on bias in arrest rates and sentences you will find that 93% of all prisoners in jail are men. This is no accident; it is by design. Ditto for the ability of Companies doing business and their use of “Background Checks” to deny men the right to work. Companies do there bidding at the behest of the Government, so they cooperate by punishing those in society the Government wants them to. That would be men. Ditto for the media. Men are arrested at the rate of 12-1 versus women. If the ratio where reversed there is no way in hell every person arrested would have his mugshot shown on your local TV station’s website, available on the interwebz for all eternity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate

    I mentioned in the online chat the other day the possibility of Red Pill discussion becoming illegal and members of the Sphere being subject to arrest. I truly believe that day is coming. I called it becoming “Enemies of the State” for encouraging men to NOT COMPLY WITH THE FI and specifically for resisting the efforts to enslave men by encouraging men to not marry, not support their children (CS), not work productive jobs where they could be hit with maximum taxes, etc. Generally go MGTOW and not help prop up the current regime.

    That is my biggest fear … that one day TRM will be taken down by the NSA, its membership tracked down and arrested; the Sphere shut down by force. I think it behooves us all to think about our security; and not just Doxxing and attacks by SJWs but by the Gov itself.

    Lets put it this way, the RedPill reddit has just over 100,000 members. There are 2.2 million men in jail right now in the US. Do you think anyone would notice if the US Gov arrested every member of that group and put them in jail. Jail population goes from 2.2 mill to 2.3 and I will tell you this. NOBODY WOULD CARE and the SJWs movement would rejoice.

    If you don’t know torProject please make yourself familiar with it.

    That is all.

    Rocket

    1. @Rocket
      You are correct brother be careful NSA put a bit search on Google for torpeoject that than saved your IP address.
      By the way look at death row as well 1.88 percent are women. Out of around 3 thousand males. For Tor use a proxy before you access it.
      I already get banned for bringing up red pill truths. So if that’s taken away from the Internet I am going to become a farmer and live away from the city.
      Off the grid and off the land.
      It’s all I have left. It’s their ever was.

  4. @Lone

    LOL. Well, from reading what you’ve written, I’ve achieved more than you have even thought of.

    If you don’t want help or understanding, GTFOH. What is your purpose here? You little snot nosed euro-brat. Go back to the bars to get turned down by Portuguese women or whateverthefuck you were saying.

    You come here whining and crying about money and whores. We’re having adult conversations. Why don’t you go to the nearest ATM so you can get laid and loosen up a little.

  5. Would you be so kind of illustrating your great and infinite achievements to an insignificant eathworm such as me?

  6. Please, your majesty, enlighten me with your great accomplishments in life.

    Tell me how many companies have you founded and sold, in how many different countries have you lived, how many lives have you saved doing heart surgery in the hospital, how many taliban soldiers you killed during Op. Iraqi Freedom, how many olympic medals you have won in the Olympics.

    I am pretty sure that a man like you has achieved great things in his life, and that such man does not boils his value down to feminine approval manifested as sexual intercourse.

  7. You’re a silly asshole man. But you’re funny.

    I don’t feel I should tell you anything. Your validation I give less than zero fucks about.

    Heart surgery? Taliban?

    I will tell you this much. I’m much older than you. I know more about real life than you. You will never found a company or win an Olympic medal ( sorry, but it’s true ) And you will have to learn lessons the hard way. That’s cool, it’s your life.

    I don’t worry about money anymore. I’m financially in a place that it will take you another 20-30 years to reach. I don’t need feminine validation, your reading comprehension blows chunks.

    I never said I had ” great accomplishments ” in life, I’m just comparing myself to your comments, and you set a pretty low bar, soooo….

    Look, Ima bottom-line this shit for you.

    Go make your money, continue to ridicule others for not wanting ‘ho ass. You speak out of both sides of your mouth. You think SMV is strongly linked to money, so please, do tell, who is looking for feminine approval?

  8. “Religious doctrine, legal and political legislation, cultural norms, labor and economic issues; all are trumped by the Feminine Imperative”

    They are all in fact agents of the Feminine Imperative and have always been as intended by design from the inception of each.

    Men were conscripted into monogamy (including serial monogamy) by the Feminine Imperative to at least mitigate the masculine sexual imperative and women now attempt to mandate elimination of the masculine sexual imperative.

  9. @Lone

    If your belief is “Make money, buy sex from prostitutes” then really you don’t need a lot of what’s written here. Just know about hypergamy and AF/BB and you’re done. Don’t think anymore about it.

    No need to engage in insult matches with guys who’ve figured out how to enjoy the game you don’t enjoy.

  10. @rugby

    Fun fact I thought I’d mention: I studied video editing in college under the guy that directed that Prodigy video.

  11. It’s really remarkable how efficient the AF/BB System is working.
    It doesnt matter if someone likes PUA and things like that, but every man should know what he is dealing with in terms of women and their “Game”.

    And for us men there are only 2 possibilities:
    1) Play our way of “Game” to win it
    2) to go MGTOW ( thats the way Mr. Lone Survivor is going)

    Speaking for myself, iam stucked in between these 2 points!

    A new era has begun, gentlemen.

    @ Rollo: I understand that you dont like to “pollute” the discussion with politics. But when you think in a bigger dimension, like the situation of men generally in society, it’s quiet inevitable to talk about politics. Don’t you think so?

    Women are operating like a herd, especially in politics, and when we men don’t start to raise our voices, it will be harder and harder to live a life that a man wanna live.

    Thank your for your post!

    P.S: Iam buying the 2 pieces of your books and iam going to share it with friends and family members…when they are ready for it!

  12. @Blaximus

    Law #4
    Always say less than necessary

    When you are trying to impress people with words, the more you say, the more common you appear, and the less in control. Even if you are saying something banal, it will seem original if you make it vague, open-ended, and sphinx-like. Powerful people impress and intimidate by saying less. The more you say, the more likely you are to say something foolish.

    I’ve been reading the 48 Laws of Power and trying to put it in to practice more lately. Law #4 also happens to line up nicely with Stoicism in general.

  13. @Blaximus

    Actually, it is you who is being swept off his feet. If you read my comments, at all times I have addressed you respectfully. It is you who started ranting and insulting.

    In terms of learning lessons, yes, I have learned things the hard way. And yes, I am ok with that, learning things the hard way offers knowledge and an increase in stamina. What, is there an “easy” way to learn things in life? Are you old enough to realize that everything in life requires effort and hard work?

    I am simply stating that physical attractiveness is only a small part of the equation (except in contexts such as the ones depicted by Novaseeker where women have money), and that money allows a man to get the exciting life women crave for. Having money, becoming a skydiver, a Open Water Diver, a Snowboarder is easy. People here seem to oppose to that concept. Furthermore, many here reject the importance of money in banging young girls.

    To make it even worse, people here (excepting Sun Wukong) believe that getting laid with prostitutes is degrading. And the ironic thing is that the bad vision of men about prostitution is product of feminist manipulation. Of course! Women do not want men paying for sex, how will they control men then?

    By placing acceptable sex out of the orbit of prostitution, women ensure that they will hold the monopoly of sex and that all sexual intercourse will be under their terms.

    Let’s put it this way. Game is to sex what hunting is to getting food; while prostitution is like going out to the supermarket. Prostitution is time-saving.

    If you are old enough, you should realize that time is the only commodity, the ultimate commodity. Money comes and goes, time is gone forever. Game, as you call it, is only worth it when you are truly looking for a partner for a long term relationships. Prostitutes are cheaper for one-night stands, they will never fake pregnancies nor accuse you of rape.

    This is The Rational Male, start acting as one and stop ranting.

    1. @Sun Wukong
      Jonas akurland? The guy loves fast cuts. The end of tha always meant something to me. Because it was a real punch in your face about people’s perception of violence.

  14. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/01/15/2834DA2400000578-3062467-image-m-58_1430490277656.jpg

    Beautiful? Priceless?

    The outcome is 90% likely to be quite ugly and very expensive.

    Every relationship should be considered a risk and an offer to marry should be considered an extreme long term risk.

    Based on statistical reality there is about a 95% chance that she will become obese after the contract is executed and before but certainly during the first pregnancy. Chronic obesity will be dishonestly attributed to “difficulty loosing pregnancy fat”. There is no amount of protein or “directorship”, that will even slightly curb the pervasive and ubiquitous tendency toward this most certain outcome. In fact the luxuries afforded by monetary income received by the “director” will most assuredly support this most likely outcome.

  15. @Rollo –

    “women being the most environmentally at-risk sex needed a social collective to support each other (tribalism), nurture young and cooperatively sustain each other.”

    It can be argued that men experientially receive the shittiest end of the environmental risk stick. Not women.

    Men are more likely to die in combat, receive far less support, die on average 7 years younger, make the greater sacrifices, provide the greatest effort and receive the least consideration & the most hatred.

    1. @Not born this morning
      “the least consideration & the most hatred.”
      Good that brings sheviers to my core…

    2. Lineage in western societies is mostly parallel, as distinct from tribes which were either matriarchal or patriarchal. But, the competition and hatred is mostly between males: derogation of competitors. Western society does not accept the in-laws as allies, does not accept the brother-in-law as a helper, therefore, the man often does not return to his family space after marriage and finds a new living space. Today, however, women remain attached to their family and the man moves to the matriarch’s geographical space, with exceptions.

  16. Rollo –

    It can be argued that men experientially receive the shittiest end of the environmental risk stick. Not women.

    It can also be argued that this has ALWAYS been the case because in ancient tribal cultures, it was the male who conducted most of the hunting, and tribal warfare, etc. Men have always been at greater risk than women. The male was subject to the greatest environmental risks and often in defense of the female.

  17. “It can be argued that men experientially receive the shittiest end of the environmental risk stick.”

    Because men provide the first line of defense for the more vulnerable women.

    The front passenger seat of a car became know as the Suicide Seat, because a disproportionate number of fatalities occur to its occupants. Engineers spent years examining the designs of their cars trying to figure out why before the reason was found:

    The seat is disproportionately occupied by women. Women are disproportionately frail.

    1. Males are often excluded from the family at some point, or excluded from females by all male institutions and by mate/daughter guarding. Today the exclusions persist in the form of age restrictions, social class restrictions, status restrictions, etc. Some males do inherit social capital and cultural capital along with their attractiveness or neotany and family wealth all of which mitigate social exclusion. Neglect may therefore be a form of benign abuse to which conditioning modifies their disgust.

  18. Sun Wukong, If you’re going to assert that basic biology and evolution prove that basic biology and evolution are not responsible for psychological and social structures, then you’d damn well better back it up

    I back it up with simple facts that I thought was obvious to even a casual observer. Feminists are going extinct. This is not theory, this is fact. Look at the children being born in the West. They are not being born to feminsts.

    As is you’re asserting that the effect is the cause. I’m gonna call unconditional bullshit until you can give me some proof.

    Proof? Simple. The feminist West is getting creamed demographically. Have you looked at the most common names of children being born in London? New York? Stockholm? Have you seen the Mexican border? Feminsts are not invading, traditional family people are. Seen the population projections for Africa by 2050? Look at the most feminist place in the planet, Sweden, and then look at the cultures invading it (hint: they circumcise females). We are talking takeover here within decades t’s happening so fast. It’s so extreme even wars and genocides haven’t often reached this level of genetic destruction.

    This is basic biology. The genetically fit survive, those unfit (feminsits) perish. And for humans, this means the non-religious and the non-familial (e.g. femininsts) are toast. IOW, feminism is dead by definition. But you are so myopic regarding the power of feminism you can’t see they are already dead.

  19. A fundamental and crucial aspect of my red pill awareness transition (which seems to be endless) involved a perspective shift. My perspective shifted from forward thinking to looking back. Looking back did not involve nostalgia or regret very much. I mostly discarded hopes and dreams while seeking better understanding of how my life conditions came to be. There was much more to be gained by understanding WHAT IS rather than what I hoped to be or what I thought “should” be. I became “forensic” and in doing so, I realized that outcomes point backwards directly to real conditions and actions that produce the outcomes. Outcomes are self-evident facts and cannot be changed and are not ignored by those who wish to be enlightened. Outcome is your friend. Understanding and experiencing the value of this, I will never “go back” to “hopes”, “dreams” and “should be”.

    Perceived risk can only be substantiated by actual results. If there is a real risk, the outcome will prove the risk exists. Outcomes also substantiate the validity of risk comparisons. Comparatively, men are at greater environmental risk than women. The results of this substantiated risk disparity are real and inarguable. Empirical data supports this claim.

    More men die in job related deaths…

    http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/cwc/fewer-women-than-men-die-of-work-related-injuries-data-show.pdf

    http://articles.latimes.com/1995-08-04/business/fi-31566_1_workplace-deaths

    More men die in combat than women…this is common, blatant self-evident and elementary knowledge. I do not need to cite any source. The statistics are overwhelming.

    Male risk of death has always exceeded female risk of death according to genetic studies…

    http://www.medicaldaily.com/female-population-has-always-outnumbered-males-historically-according-our-genes-304428

    http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/24/women-men-dna-human-gene-pool

    http://ktwop.com/2014/09/26/more-women-than-men-throughout-history/

    Males are more susceptible to death than females from conception onward…

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303559504579197761598142066

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080324173552.htm

    http://www.news-medical.net/news/2008/03/25/36646.aspx

  20. @mdavid

    You’re not disproving shit about the relation of underlying biological factors to femcentric behavior. You’re just going on about your personal fantasy of the death of feminists.

    Here, let me make it a bit clearer: femcentric behavior is a result of female biology coupled with male:female ratios in a population approaching or exceeding 1:1. It will always be carried latently within females as part of their innate biology, and will be unleashed any time there are any times of extended peace where male:female ratios become favorable to hypergamy.

    You’re not speaking to biological reality at all. You’re speaking in direct contradiction to it.

  21. @mdavid
    I’ve seen this theory floated in the manosphere before and it has some merit. Demographic trends indicate that Muslims and Mexicans are overtaking white populations. What you are ignoring is that second generation immigrants often assume the dominant values of their nation. The second generation may not adhere to the family values that served the prior generations so well. A new generation of progressives may be born!
    Nobody here is myopic about the power of feminism. Feminism is an idea which has upturned ancient patriarchal societies in the span of a few generations. Respect your enemy.

  22. @Sun Wukong
    I agree that there is an evolutionary basis to feminism’s rise. Womens’ innate hypergamy and collectivist nature will express itself in one form or another. It may be feminism, chivalry or some other nonsense. Whatever shape it takes, the guiding principle is to compel men to sacrifice themselves for the benefit of a woman.

  23. One does not need to be born feminist to be socialized in to femcentric behavior. There is no part of society immune to that influence anymore. Whether “feminists” have children or not does not matter. Girls are born with hypergamic tendencies which society increasingly celebrates and encourages, and boys are socialized to accept femcentric thinking.

  24. Tom – “second generation immigrants often assume the dominant values of their nation.”

    Except the Muslims. It seems the generations born outside of Muslim dominated regions are more easily radicalized and likely to reject the culture of the host country.

    Where you see assimilation in the West is either other westerners, which includes Latin America, or some Asian groups as Western values and social structures, although different, aren’t anti-thetical to the culture left behind.

    1. @Tom
      “compel men to sacrifice themselves for the benefit of a woman.”
      The echoes some serious torments in my dreams in a blue pill state.
      “Respect your enemy”
      In rugby the small guys like me can do some serious damage when people underestimate are size.

  25. @Rollo

    Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. But I’m betting you knew that before you did.

  26. Blaximus, you don’t need to qualify yourself to Lone Survivor (and apt handle as he is barely surviving his attempt to qualify himself to us the commentariat). And you didn’t. Only a few more 48 laws of power could apply in addition to Law #4.

    Sun Wukong well moderated your comments to Lone. Carry on in a tone that doesn’t lean toward Lone’s exhortations.

    I personally, despite NBTM’s protestations about how hard it is to be a male today, continue to be in the top 5% of males despite my genes. No excuses for female hardwiring will color my best performance.

    Lone S’s investing in whores, while being a short term strategy to expend less energy, will leave him without an investment that pays dividends when he is 54 years old. He will wake up one day and still have the problem of always having to qualify. Always having to perform and having nothing but term insurance.

    Glenn the gladiator. Nice rants that are well appreciated. I have been told to stir the pot here by not being so beholden to Rollo’s precepts by a red pill colleague. But I have not had much of any contentious issues with Rollo’s red pill awareness and game implementation. This because I am a neophyte of two or so years.

    I just got through my wife’s 50th birthday, spent two days on Wednesday and Friday night in Downtown Detroit (which is no Baltimore) of all places (at a great restaurant on the river, visited Belle Isle and was thoroughly impressed by the Motown museum Hitsville USA, a simple miracle worked by humble musicians in 1956 through 1972), worked this morning and early afternoon, and just returned from the country club Kentucky Derby party. (My wife won $1,400 on bets tonight after employing the same Strategy as last year when winning $1,200). Spent the night enhancing my DHV and Social Proof with an excellent outcome. Thanks to red pill awareness and game implementation.

    You naysayers can project 25 years of grief from choosing one woman. I can reflect on 25 years with one woman being the pinnacle of my success. Not generic success, and not success for those that chose prostitutes when they are young. But only because I, me executed well and didn’t fuck up at critical times. I never took my eye off the ball and just to happened to choose a quality woman. She is the envy of other’s eyes.

    I may fuck up in the future, but I don’t plan to. And the adventure to proceed onward with skill and adventure and the lack of fear doesn’t scare me.

    Next Tuesday have to get through the event of my 25th anniversary on May 5th.

    If I’m scoring the fight I say soldier on Glenn, Rollo implemented the discussion and can parry your excellent discourse.

    The way I understand Rollo, he would be described as:

    “The Rollo personality type is the ultimate devil’s advocate, thriving on the process of shredding arguments and beliefs and letting the ribbons drift in the wind for all to see. Unlike their more determined Judging (J) counterparts, Rollos don’t do this because they are trying to achieve some deeper purpose or strategic goal, but for the simple reason that it’s fun. No one loves the process of mental sparring more than Rollos, as it gives them a chance to exercise their effortlessly quick wit, broad accumulated knowledge base, and capacity for connecting disparate ideas to prove their points.”

    Glenn makes the dialogue better and stronger, not worse and weaker. Even if he shreds Rollo’s assertions, Rollo laughs and says “I can do better”.

    Quit trying to qualify yourself to the us the commentariat and contribute some thoughts on how to best help your fellow male along the lines of what The Rational Male has advocated for the last four years. You don’t have to toe the party line, but contribute some meaningful thoughts, not solipsistic thoughts that are best for your interests, but best for men in general. After all, with the varsity rugby season in full swing, do you go for personal stats on the rugby team? Or do you play to win as a team? And advance to the next difficult round?

    (I DGAF if I pseudo-qualify myself to you above, I’m satisfied with my station in life and my learning how to be good at being a man in the last two years, after a life of packing 67 years of life into my 54 years.).
    Learn something here and be a better man. Be a better father to your children. Be a better spouse to your mate. Be a better plate spinner if single , be a better alpha male if needed and a better beta provider to your LTR if needed. Be better and more skillful. In the end it is your outcome that matters, not some debate won online. (And Lack of having game skills or denying their value can get you in a serious world of hurt in today’s declining civilization).

    1. @sjfrellc
      I missed you
      “Learn something here and be a better man. Be a better father to your children. Be a better spouse to your mate. Be a better plate spinner if single , be a better alpha male if needed and a better beta provider to your LTR if needed. Be better and more skillful. In the end it is your outcome that matters, not some debate won online. (And Lack of having game skills or denying their value can get you in a serious world of hurt in today’s declining civilization).”

  27. “When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date of all of them: the bad boys, the cools boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier.”

    Famous last everlasting relationship words, Sheryl?

    Sorry,all,really, sorry, so sorry, but I’m the least empathetic person I have ever met.

    Sheryl, Meet Ms. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross. I’m thinking you go through the stages in minus 5 seconds.

    Sorry. On vacation? Oh. really? Your husband couldn’t take it any more?
    You Ma’am are not a friend of mine. I’m not empathetic and I am skeptical of your projections for the Feminine Imperative that have not been empirically vetted. It is not often that you can have it all by hoping without trying.

  28. By the way, this Clyde Mays Alabama whisky I’m drinking is a good product at about $40. Seems to be smooth with an adulterant that tastes like Coca Cola. I won’t be buying any more but I will be giving the thumbs up to my purveyor to keep it in stock for those who are unsophisticated and say smooth is their modus operandi for bourbon. Rather that character and sophistication.

  29. Hopefully, I can not screw up the google news like I did when I thought Dr. Oz had his radio show cancelled and I thought it was his TV show.

    Perhaps I’m not wrong when Ms. Sandberg’s husband was cancelled rather than her job.

    Sorry for my reportage. Did I mention that I’m the least empathetic person ever?

  30. @sjfrellc

    Lone S’s investing in whores, while being a short term strategy to expend less energy, will leave him without an investment that pays dividends when he is 54 years old. He will wake up one day and still have the problem of always having to qualify. Always having to perform and having nothing but term insurance.

    Nope, my friend. Rollo says in one of his articles that “men are always to perform”, and (Rollo, correct me if I am wrong) we men must constantly strive towards excellence in all aspects of our life. And I agree on that, it is my core phylosophy.

    I don’t perform for them anymore, and I don’t play by their rules anymore. I perform for myself, if they want to follow that is great, if not then so be it. And the fun thing is that women who interact with me at work are starting to become attracted to me, to which I simply let it slide as my career has a higher priority than having sex now (like I said, I am in one of the largest Pharma Companies of the world).

  31. @seraph: “They really don’t CARE about those issues themselves. They wish to be in a position by which they can control others. If you are of the ‘party’ (A true believer) you can get away with almost anything, despite the rhetoric.”

    Absolutely true. To anyone who pays any attention to the actual behavior of Leftists, your statement above is the overwhelming, and only logical, conclusion.

    As far as Rollo’s “which came first the chicken or the egg” idea with regards to feminism vis-à-vis socialism; it’s an interesting question, but avoids the fact that modern feminism (1st, 2nd and 3rd wave) sprung from “Critical Theory” and the Frankfurt School, which ensconced itself at Columbia University during the Nazi years before returning to Germany post WWII.

  32. @Rollo Tomassi: “Where is Siirtyrion when I need him?” . . . Hopefully, working on improving his convoluted, borderline incoherent writing style.

  33. @MacBeth – I find Foucault fascinating and deep, but haven’t looked at him in a long time. Your comment is a good reminder to circle around to read him again. I don’t use the term “fag” and don’t care how much cock he gobbled. This is another thing about the manosphere that pisses me off. I’m not okay with bashing gays, and in fact feel more solidarity with male homosexuals than I do with women.

    I’m no academic, I’m just an armchair student of all this who got sick of the horseshit being shoved at me even in the supposedly intellectual environs of public discourse in this degrading society. I began my own study of the classics, moral and political philosophy quite young and now after decades of study, I have synthesized much of this and internalized a worldview that is squarely placed in the classically liberal, modern camp. There is something very powerful about having been self-taught these ideas (although I’ve also listened/viewed thousands of academic lectures on these subjects). Lincoln was self taught in the classics and history and had a command over it that even the most well educated around him were forced to acknowledge. I admire Lincoln greatly as I believe he’s a classic example of a free American man grasping his own power, as one can only do in the U.S. – actually, not any more but I grew up in the fading moments of when men could live that way.

    Note that Foucault was a philologist, and well, whenever I encounter an intellectual steeped in the classics, I often find the quality of their thinking and analysis to be deep and compelling regardless of their politics.

    The biggest problem with leftist ideology? In order to actualize it into a political movement that takes “direct action”, they need to actually take seriously many of their ephemeral ideas. As a result, they have become deontological about their political principles, and this how insanity like “a woman trapped in a man’s body” gets past the sniff test. If you don’t know many biologists and medical doctors and neurologists just laugh at the ideas about “gender” proposed by these dingbats, that’s because the left will not let that information be publicized – Johns Hopkins has stopped doing gender reassignment surgery because of how damaging it is, for example, why hasn’t that made the news? Curious about this? Read The Man Who Would be Queen by J. Michael Bailey, a quick search will reveal a pdf of it that he published. You will learn more about male homosexuality and trangenderism by reading that book by a serious, non-biased academic than you will by listening to 10 years of social justice agit prop.

    Put more directly? Many of the left’s ideas are interesting lenses for social analysis, but have little use as first principles to reason from. They have copped the certainty of science from physics and claimed it for the humanities. They treat Marx’s ideas like they are Newtonian gravity (but even it was updated in 2011 slightly) and reason from them as though they are axioms. But the social sciences don’t have axiom’s like Newtonian gravity to reason from – yet the pretend they do. Wait – there is one field of social science which bothers to posit an axiom/first principle to reason from – Austrian economics. That axiom is “people act”. The “unit” in Austrian economics is the individual. As an interesting aside, when one builds up an economic model with this kind of rigor, top down approaches like Keynes’s General Theory look ridiculous due to the abstractions they deal in. Any Austrian economist is unsurprised by the failure of economics that inherit from Keynes’s General Theory.

    Marx is interesting to read though, and in particular, I think his critique of class is spot on. I don’t agree with any of the metaphysics he claims are at work other than his broad ideas about materialism and the dialectic (again, not as ground truth but interesting, and also not his ideas but actually those of Hegel). I also recognize that Europe was much more rooted in rigid class-based societies than the U.S. and that revolution to overthrow the aristocracy that remained in Europe was perhaps even a necessary thing. None of that makes me a socialist or a Marxist.

    You might be surprised to learn that my most vicious political arguments today are with people on the right. You see, at least leftists have an epistemology of thought to explain themselves, whereas conservatives and other people who’ve balled up their traditional values into a political stance (in this way they are very much like self-righteous leftists) basically have a hash of nonsense to stand on. They try to co-opt classical liberalism but you’ll quickly find they don’t want to go where that reasoning takes them.

    Since we are doing politics on this thread, I’ll finish with this. The dumbest turn of all to take is to see all this and become an anarchist. I know there are many self-styled anarchists in the manosphere and really, you guys should know to someone who’s carefully studied these topics you are just announcing that you are a Utopian madman just as fucked in the head as any leftist. Stephan Molyneux is a snake-oil salesman (and even snake oil salesman can be right about some things, in fact they have to be right about some things to get over on you with the horseshit). If you want to actually listen to and learn from a brilliant anarchist, listen to Tom Palmer. Fyi, he shuns Lew Rockwell, Ron Paul, the Mises Institute etc due their well documented, lifelong bigotry and associations with racial separatists and other scum. And Palmer will tell you that humanity isn’t ready for anarchy, as any sober student of the human condition who has had Hobbes and Locke will tell you.

    Anarchy is the absence of any formal social order. It by no means implies you will enjoy liberty in the way you think of it today. It’s the absence of political philosophy – it’s not a political philosophy. It relies on the magic of emergent properties to deliver liberty, but as many, many philosophers have shown it will likely not yield anything approaching liberty for most people. In fact, the only valid claim an anarchist can make (if they are willing to be bound by their own reasoning) is that you might be free in some places at some times in an anarchic world. And if you fancy yourself as an anarchist and don’t understand what I’ve just said, consider that you should be embarrassed to run around spouting errant anarchic nonsense in the first place.

  34. @SunWukong – Listen, you are clearly about as ignorant of politics as Rollo is – okay, fair enough. Then just don’t talk about about politics here, yeah? I won’t correct you dingbats if you stay off the topic? But this isn’t a female locker room – you guys have little idea what the fuck you are talking about and make breezy, asinine statements which are mostly laughable. I don’t have to sidestep that shit here. In fact, I’m just the guy to cut you down to size so you may realize that you don’t really know what you are talking about.

    What many of you fail to get here is that most of what I’m referring to is simply the well known history of our politics and how we got here. Many of you seem to not understand that the left sought out precisely to create the conditions we are now living in and one can readily trace their progress to specific ideas, people, politicians, policies, laws, activists etc. Instead most of you seem to adopt the ridiculous and intellectually vapid “both ‘sides’ suck”. I’m not even taking sides, I’m telling you how we got here. You guys seem to miss that the leftist takeover of the elite institutions of our society is complete now and what we are being subjected to are the policies which emit from these leftist informed institutions. They are really just consolidating their gains after taking power, yet most of you don’t even realize that.

    I’m not saying you shouldn’t be a Marxist or Libertarian or a Democrat. I’m telling you how the politics got us here – but you guys find that disturbing somehow. It seems many of you would rather tilt at the abstract idea of the FI rather than the politics that instrumentalize it and give it the force of the law, state and social convention.

    And no, I’m not into discussing these issues with people who don’t understand them, I’m willing to teach you guys here something, but I don’t learn from people who don’t know shit, sorry.

  35. I hope Rollo was quoting someone else. I don’t think Rollo is a pussy, I just think he’s a got a blind spot a mile wide when it comes to politics – he mostly doesn’t know the history of our politics actually. I agree, he shouldn’t talk about politics, it’s not his forte. I also think his dismissal of the politics is ignorant and arrogant. I’ve backed up my assertions with dozens of facts, citations, people, places and things. And yes, I’m not nice about it – I’m not here to be nice to you guys. I also think that this slack attitude about politics is a big problem in the manosphere as it leads many down a wrongheaded path based on an erroneous assessment of the situation we are in.

    The left already won, and most of you guys don’t even know it. None of that means the FI is crucial to understand and isn’t a huge driver of what’s going on. Both are important but one is not controlled by the other. If this seems like anathema to you,

    If that’s offensive to you Rollo, get over it. If citing reality and facts that you don’t bother to understand bothers you, than don’t talk about them.

  36. @Blaximus – You need to be in the next SunWuGong Show for sure. You have some great ideas and stories. Putting a women on the hood of your car and gunning it, I love it?

    Question: What do you attribute your transition to the Blue Pill/Good Man worldview to? Was it really as simple as just deciding to be monogamous? I I think that marriage and monogamy is a program designed to give a man a permanent case of “oneitis”. We also seem to voluntarily de-nut ourselves this way. Would love to hear more from you on this.

  37. Maybe I missed something, but I don’t think Rollo was dismissing politics was he? He just stated why his blog stays away from it, and said he felt the manosphere should resist binding itself to a political ideology. Red pill men are certainly free to take up the political cause of there choice, but certainly one can see the danger of being dismissed as another “John Birch Society” guy or some other political fringe group. We loose a lot of voice if the media can successfully pigeon hole us.

  38. @Glenn

    “On the @SunWuGong Show the other night, I learned that some here doubt my exploits and escapades….”

    I think that was me. Also, I apologize for not communicating my thought clearly, that wasn’t what I meant. I’ve never doubted your stories, it’s always been pretty clear to me that you were being up-front and genuine. And I have no reason to think others doubt either. What I was trying to say was that, upon first entering the redpill arena, I had difficulty imagining the sorts of things you (and other men with advanced experience with women, like Xplat) were doing were things possible for me to achieve. It was all just so far outside my experience.

    So there’s a value in diversity. Some newly RP chump might not be able to see a path to high levels of accomplishment with women – spinning many plates, crazy sex, FNL’s, etc – but may see stories like what, say, Softek is sharing as being achievable. While the things you’re talking about show what is, in the end, possible.

    Do as you wish of course, but I personally hope you don’t shy away from sharing your exploits. I’ve found them to be valuable.

  39. The threshold issue in the political discussion, apart from the various digressions on specific political philosophers, is the relative degree of importance of politics as compared with the underlying biologically-driven imperatives.

    There are many points of view one could imagine about this, but for purposes of this thread it seems that the two main points of view are: (1) the biological imperatives are “a priori” to everything else, and therefore the politics of any era is mostly an epiphenomenon which emerges from these imperatives and takes its shape based on contextual factors (time, place, economics, technology, philosophy, etc.); and (2) while there may be commonalities of biological imperatives which are enduring over the course of time, politics by its nature (as being a system which can and does coerce behaviors, and which also is created through active, engaged human agency) is the most proximate cause of the socio-political arrangements at any point in time, and therefore politics itself is the critical element, and not the enduring underlying biological imperatives (which remain important, but in a less direct and proximate way than the impacts and effects of politics emerging from human agency in any specific time and place).

    In some ways, it’s a chicken and egg problem. I’d guess that most of the more die-hard RP members of the manosphere see the biological imperatives as being “prior to” everything else, and therefore have a view of things that is closer to (1). At the same time, the more philosophical and politically-inclined members likely gravitate towards (2). And, importantly, there are more than a few who do have their own political ideas and loyalties, but who choose, for various reasons, to compartmentalize them away from red pill ideas — a common reason for this is that the RP is viewed primarily as a set of technocratic practices rather than a worldview per se, while another reason is a desire to avoid the divisiveness that political discussion inevitably generates in any community.

  40. @Divided Line

    Lol’d at your reply to me. Well done.

    Good comments, as well.

    This is a great thread. The sort that makes me wish I were an expert in more fields. But I already think I tend to balance my life a bit too far in the abstract realm, I’m trying to experience more…

    Sigh.

    @Glenn

    I think I’m gonna have to call uncle on this one. My intuition is still that political ideologies are little more than playthings for people’s collective and complex self-interests, but it’s little more than that – an intuition.

    I agree that there’s certainly a lot going on, a lot of things that make society and politics complex and (in the end) significant. It may be that the infiltration of specific political ideas has greater consequences, intended or unintended, than I currently suspect. I’ll get back to ya if I get to the point of understanding half of what you’re talking about, ha.

  41. @Novaseeker

    Yeah, what you said.

    Can I say this? This site is one of the few places capable of making me feel stupid occasionally. It’s fucking great.

  42. Lone Survivor is the perfect example to men reading here to internalize Law 48 and assume formlessness.

    Such rigid and cocksure thinking is a huge, brightly painted target of opportunity for the enlightened man to ad to either his harem or his pocketbook.

    You are attacked successfully in the traits you model. (money, physique, on and on).

    The enlightened player merely needs to plant the seed of doubt, and when you give something to compare/contrast, you ARE losing.

  43. I mean, seriously, how many of you here know that Fourier was an early 19th century French philosopher who is credited with co-inventing the term soclalism and in some circles (yet another topic of debate in the woolly environs of academia) is also credited with first coining the term feminist as well? Or that the interactions and relationships between say a Mary Wolstencroft and other early feminists with early socialists like Fourier were quite common. Feminists from the start saw themselves as part of the tradition of say a John Stuart Mills, or Bentham or Condorcet or others, which is where socialism emanated. It essentially gave moral legitimacy to the justification of the use of state power based on consequentialism and utilitarianism versus the ideas embedded in the U.S. constitution which are much more about enobling the individual and crippling the state so as to prevent it from doing social engineering. The break point in between what Thomas Sowell calls “the constrained and unconstrained view” of how the human condition can be shaped and managed emerges at this time.

    I’m just scraping the surface. As Rollo has mastered this topic after more than decade at it, so have i mastered this history and the political philosophical evolution that accompanied it. And no, the generic statement, “but politics arise from the FI, dude” won’t cut it. I’ve already decimated that hierarchical argument which oversimplifies social order in a pathetically moronic way. Really, to say such a thing is to communicate that you haven’t the faintest idea how central politics is to modern social order – really, fucking get it. Finally. Sure, the FI matters too – both can be true.

    Men I respect sometimes admit when they are wrong, take the new info in and adjust course accordingly – usually after some to and fro. Others, we agree to disagree and don’t talk about it. We’ve agreed to disagree here, great, then let’s just not talk about it. Fine with me.

    On with my day. I love Sunday mornings, 3 cups of freshly ground french roast, up since dawn, enjoying the sun baking my deck and warming my home with the lake right out my sliders and deck. It’s truly gorgeous where I live. Waking up here some mornings can be quite glorious. I know, some of you guys hate me for doing this. That’s okay, we’re men we don’t have to kiss each other’s asses all day long in order to get something out of associating with each other.

  44. Thought this was appropriate to post…

    Free Speech on Campus: ‘F*ck Masculinity’, ‘Fight the Straightness’, ‘Fuck America’

    “At the street intersection and on the band stage, protesters took turns delivering short speeches and tirades covering a range of topics, including, but not limited to, the following: systematic racism, sexism, rape culture, the riots in Baltimore, microaggressions, Cornell administrators and trustees, Cornell’s occupation of formerly indigenous lands, capitalism, Israel, the NYPD, oil companies, patriarchy, whiteness, masculinity, and straightness.”

    Masculinity, says one blonde chick on the video at the link, is ‘dehumanizing’.

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/05/free-speech-on-campus-fck-masculinity-fight-the-straightness/

  45. @ Lone Survivor—“I don’t perform for them anymore, and I don’t play by their rules anymore. I perform for myself, if they want to follow that is great, if not then so be it. And the fun thing is that women who interact with me at work are starting to become attracted to me, to which I simply let it slide as my career has a higher priority than having sex now (like I said, I am in one of the largest Pharma Companies of the world).”

    Aaron Cleary describes in your video that an excellent girl comes along approx. once every eight years and when that happens you should lock her down. She is worth it. I can see you missing your chance at the big one because all you practiced is whore game and workplace underling game.

    You’re young. You still have many times you can can screw up without having to account for it.

    And congratulations for being in big pharma. One of the most unsustainable type of corporations out there. Better work your ass off if you want job security. Good luck with that MGTOW badge when you lose your actual job.

    That’s the problem with you young guys telling us old guys with a hell of a lot of experience a thing or two. You are simply just bull-scheißing.

  46. Tom, I’ve seen this theory floated in the manosphere before and it has some merit. Demographic trends indicate that Muslims and Mexicans are overtaking white populations. What you are ignoring is that second generation immigrants often assume the dominant values of their nation.

    Look, what’s myopic about fearing feminists is that they are parasites, and so they eat their host. Men won’t play this game. Force doesn’t work to raise families, never has. Commies tried it, the Roman Empire tried it, now feminsts and liberals are trying it. Never works.

    Just like the Soviets “We will bury you!” in 1950 looked very real and powerful before the flaws started kicking in, it was still obvious to anyone who looked at the USSR family would be bankrupt soon. No male family providers, only the State, so it dies.

    This isn’t a new thng. Extinction is the normal order of business. It’s what happens to 80% of cultures, and it’s merely our turn. But the 20% that actually survive and grow are the future, and thus should be paid attention to. But feminsts? Pah. Flash in the pan.

    Where we may agree: Western culture is dead, finished, over. Because It doesn’t defend well against the FI. But there are many, many cultures who have solved this problem with whips and stones, or as in parts of the West, with religion. Seen any Amish feminists marching and demanding child support lately? Well, they are still breeding like crazy, and filling in the gaps left by feminsts.

    The second generation may not adhere to the family values that served the prior generations so well. A new generation of progressives may be born!

    And they will go extinct as well even before they get started. There is no “right” or “wrong” here. But rest assured that somebody will find a way to pull men into the family. It’s Darwinian. And it is clearly not feminsts who will pull this off, as those cultures are being evaporated so fast Westerners don’t even have enough medical staffing to care for all the old people.

    Respect your enemy.

    I have no enemy. I am merely a dispassionate observer. Unlike, unfortunately, most of the manosphere, who think 2015 will be reflective of 2025. Think about how fast the “gay” movement appeared (it will vanish as fast). Think about how cousin marriage just became legal in New York (Muslim influence is already taking over here). Think about the Hebdo Charlie situation and how liberals were powerless to respond to it. Think about how the first black was allowed into baseball in 1947…that’s a mere 60 years. It can change back again just as fast once liberals are dethroned by minorities. Ever notice how blacks and Muslims view homosexuality and Jews, for example? Sheese, feminism will be lucky to survive the next few decades, let alone centuries. The gravy train of stable males has become disillusioned.

    What gives Fems so much power today? The strong and stable men from the families of yesterday. And that’s the key word: YESTERDAY. Every year there are less and less strong and stable men who support feminsm merely because of the decline of the family. Look at male participation in the workforce and in college. And the few stable families today that still take marriage seriously are hyper-religious, really hate feminists, and propogandize their daughers this way. Feminsm won’t die with a bang, but a wimper, and far sooner that most expect.

    1. It’s a leap to suppose that demographic change is intentional or even ideological. There are 2 key reproductive strategies that all species follow: r/K selection theory. R-selection posits that a species or population will simply reproduce as many offspring as possible which is what we see in certain human populations: Chinese, Indian, African, Catholics, Conservatives, etc. K-selection is more investment oriented and slows down population growth to focus on supporting each individual. Fast growth and slow growth. What has happened in the 20th century after the population explosion, is depopulation, which actually started in the West in the 19th century. Contraception, government population management policies, and social forces have combined to dramatically reduce population growth in favor of individual investment. Even though, some groups are migrating into the West in overwhelming numbers and still practicing an R-selection strategy, they so lack in social capital that they cannot achieve enough wealth to afford their own offspring so they either switch to a K-strategy or find their offspring incarcerated or fighting for their lives on the street, they might even decide to go to Palestine or thereabouts where the fighting is ripe! Governments push contraception, health care, and even forced (or influenced) abortions. The US last year 900K abortions. Whether r/K selection is factual or effective can be argued, but it seems about as likely as that sex ratios wold be approximately 50-50 if humans did not intervene: selective infanticide/abortion or selective drafting for wars. The recent nonsense in China has formed an excess 50M males. However, the connection between meiosis and environmental conditions has not been sorted out yet as to why certain genes emerge under certain environmental conditions, so all prediction bets are off.

    2. It’s a leap to suppose that demographic change is intentional or even ideological. There are 2 key reproductive strategies that all species follow: r/K selection theory. R-selection posits that a species or population will simply reproduce as many offspring as possible which is what we see in certain human populations: Chinese, Indian, African, Catholics, Conservatives, etc. K-selection is more investment oriented and slows down population growth to focus on supporting each individual. Fast growth and slow growth. What has happened in the 20th century after the population explosion, is depopulation, which actually started in the West in the 19th century. Contraception, government population management policies, and social forces have combined to dramatically reduce population growth in favor of individual investment. Even though, some groups are migrating into the West in overwhelming numbers and still practicing an R-selection strategy, they so lack in social capital that they cannot achieve enough wealth to afford their own offspring so they either switch to a K-strategy or find their offspring incarcerated or fighting for their lives on the street, they might even decide to go to Palestine or thereabouts where the fighting is ripe! Governments push contraception, health care, and even forced (or influenced) abortions. The US last year 900K abortions. Whether r/K selection is factual or effective can be argued, but it seems about as likely as that sex ratios wold be approximately 50-50 if humans did not intervene: selective infanticide/abortion or selective drafting for wars. The recent nonsense in China has formed an excess 50M males. However, the connection between meiosis and environmental conditions has not been sorted out yet as to why certain genes emerge under certain environmental conditions, so all prediction bets are off.

  47. sjfrellc-

    Your comments posted about your “quality woman” and that you “didn’t fuck up” and that you “kept your eye on the ball” etc, etc, etc…

    All that reflects and dovetails perfectly into oneitis, a misconception of scarcity, fear of rejection, fear of intimacy, etc.

    In my early days of becoming aware of the truths written about here, I struggled with a contradiction. That contradiction involved clinging to the same monogamy – quality woman – achievement struggle that you describe for your self vs the reality of how women really behave and the reality honestly of what my real impulses and desires are and have always been. That contradiction was not resolved until I realized it existed within myself.

    Did you ever consider that the reason you wrote what you wrote may be to defend an unrealistic paradigm that you are having a hard time letting go of? Did you ever consider that you are actually writing to yourself and not us? You may be (like I did) attempting to defend yourself from your pain of your realization that the essence of what you wrote is not real.

  48. @Glenn

    SunWuGong Show? I’m gonna have to add a gong in now just for you. Start banging it when you run too long on a topic hahaha

    You get your teen poon? Or did her lack of in depth political dialectic leave you too limp?

  49. @mdavid

    “What gives Fems so much power today? The strong and stable men from the families of yesterday. And that’s the key word: YESTERDAY. Every year there are less and less strong and stable men who support feminsm merely because of the decline of the family. Look at male participation in the workforce and in college. And the few stable families today that still take marriage seriously are hyper-religious, really hate feminists, and propogandize their daughers this way. Feminsm won’t die with a bang, but a wimper, and far sooner that most expect.”

    I agree with some of what you say as I’ve noticed that too. Like many here I am older (50s) and have men my age and older who have been married for decades. They fully support the ongoing takeover by Feminism and really, truly are completely blind to whats going on. I have one friend who along with his wife regularly attempt to set me up with their divorced lady friends. Lets see, destroyed 2 different men thru divorce rape, rotten worthless kids, fat, broke, and bitter. YEAH … SIGN ME UP !!!

    I try to talk sense to them about what is going on and its like talking to a wall. And as you pointed out, there are fewer and fewer of these types every year and due to the lack of marriages (thank you Dalrock for your data-mining) and lack of families it is not being recharged. This type of support has been declining for years and will continue that trend.

    What I disagree about is that where Leftists get the majority of their power. I believe that most of their power is gained thru the media and their absolute control of it. They control the narrative and shut out all opposition. Where I live there was an active campaign to shove gay marriage down the public’s throat by the leading newspaper. Went on for YEARS; despite approx 70% of the public opposing it. The Nazi propaganda machine would have been proud. They use this to control the political narrative as well. That is how Dems have gotten control and how Reps have been neutered. Anyone who does not go along with the Lefist scheme is castrated in the media. Boehner is a prime example. The media assists him with his Lying to the public in order to get elected; with both them and Boehner knowing that if he actually followed thru with his Lies (oppose and reign in the Left) his political career would be over. The media would ensure it. So he says one thing and does another; and what he does is support the Leftist agenda on the sly.

    I also disagree how this is going to turn out. I see a continuing fairly steep decline … more of what we’ve seen since 2008; likely ending in a short but dramatic War. Sending out our military which is composed of fags, women, and manginas is a receipt for disaster. They WILL get their asses kicked in the battlefield. Our ace card of course is technology. ISIS with a mission and a reason to fight and we got fags pushing buttons and playing video games (drone control). Jesus, did I just say that ? But, yes, it is that ugly. If we ever get into a situation where we actually have to put boots on the ground against a real enemy it will be over quick. The Leftists neutering of our military is well under way for those that don’t already know that.

    There is another path, mass MGTOW and men refusing to cooperate in supporting a State which does not value them; this will lead to economic collapse ala the Misandry Bubble. If that happens, our livestyle and economy will be destroyed; and that can be rebuilt. The next time, hopefully, with a stronger foundation. One that values men and places strong restrictions on Hypergamy.

    But this isn’t going to end with a wimper and Fem/Leftist agenda is not going to whither and die it. It will be killed and taken over OR it will be stamped out and replaced. That is the only way its going to end.

    All IMHO – In My Humble Opinion … of course.

  50. @Glenn

    On the more serious note, you didn’t really give an answer to my question of how the Left/Right national politics are going to help a guy make his individualist decisions on a day to day basis. MRAs have shown that the political game is pretty much a wash for men I my opinion, and I feel Rollo’s view of bottom up change through individual men learning positive masculinity is a valid counter. “Demonstrate, do not explicate” at the personal level that done widely enough would change society in a positive way. I don’t see national politics mattering in that individual decision due to how local the action and influence will be.

    You mentioned that you’re willing to teach, but then given an opportunity to do so took the course of bemoaning the fact that my intellect has been devoted more to other subjects instead of politics. You take that tack often here. Do you think I’m incapable of understanding or that you’re incapable of explaining? I think neither is true.

    Yes, it requires simplifying to explain to those who haven’t studied intensively. Can you do so without becoming impatient?

    1. Was thinking about the tension being built… Here
      The Other Language (male = female)

      Three days after I was born, as I lay in my silken cradle, gazing with astonished dismay on the new world round about me, my mother spoke to the wet-nurse, saying, “How does my child?”

      And the wet-nurse answered, “He does well, Madame, I have fed him three times; and never before have I seen a babe so young yet so gay.”

      And I was indignant; and I cried, “It is not true, mother; for my bed is hard, and the milk I have sucked is bitter to my mouth, and the odour of the breast is foul in my nostrils, and I am most miserable.”

      But my mother did not understand, nor did the nurse; for the language I spoke was that of the world from which I came.

      And on the twenty-first day of my life, as I was being christened, the priest said to my mother, “You should indeed by happy, Madame, that your son was born a Christian.”

      And I was surprised,—and I said to the priest, “Then your mother in Heaven should be unhappy, for you were not born a Christian.”

      But the priest too did not understand my language.

      And after seven moons, one day a soothsayer looked at me, and he said to my mother, “Your son will be a statesman and a great leader of men.”

      But I cried out,—“That is a false prophet; for I shall be a musician, and naught but a musician shall I be.”

      But even at that age my language was not understood—and great was my astonishment.

      And after three and thirty years, during which my mother, and the nurse, and the priest have all died, (the shadow of God be upon their spirits) the soothsayer still lives. And yesterday I met him near the gates of the temple; and while we were talking together he said, “I have always known you would become a great musician. Even in your infancy I prophesied and foretold your future.”

      And I believed him—for now I too have forgotten the language of that other world.

      http://www.gutenberg.org/files/5616/5616-h/5616-h.htm

      We must do our work for its own sake, not for fortune or attention or applause.
      Steven Pressfield, The War of Art: Break Through the Blocks & Win Your Inner Creative Battles

      http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2008/08/25/men-or-women-whos-the-better-leader/

      Norma Mccorvey aka Roe
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lGoCMjMYKU

      Most of us have two lives. The life we live, and the unlived life within us. Between the two stands Resistance.
      Steven Pressfield

  51. What I disagree about is that where Leftists get the majority of their power. I believe that most of their power is gained thru the media and their absolute control of it.

    @Rocket —

    That’s a part, but it’s also the culture creators (TV/movies/music/pop culture) and the educational establishment. Taken together, these three elements (media, culture creators, educational controllers) form a powerful trifecta to sway opinion however it wishes to, and all three are thoroughly and systematically dominated by the left. The advent of the new internet technologies of 2.0 as well have augmented this influence by providing more “always on” channels by which the memes can be pumped out and replicated.

  52. @novaseeker

    “That’s a part, but it’s also the culture creators (TV/movies/music/pop culture) and the educational establishment.”

    I actually consider “media” to include pop culture and even “social media” which is a powerful force among the young. And you are correct about the “educational establishment” the FI takeover of public schools and driving out male teachers was a huge undertaking and total success. I don’t know how many male teachers there are any more, percentage wise, but not very many and I do know that given the false accusations there is not a chance in hell that I would want to be a man teaching in public schools these days. It would be like sleeping with a ticking time bomb; never knowing when it would go off. And when it does you will likely end up in prison and labelled a “sex offender” for the rest of your life. No thanks.

    There is talk amongst the Sphere about “Academia” and by that it is normally meant colleges and universities and yes that a very important influence as well. But the educational establishment is controlled by Leftists with a Feminist agenda from the age children enter school until the time they leave.

    Little boys today have essentially no chance of growing up with a Normal male perspective; unless they are home schooled.

    1. @Rocket
      “Little boys today have essentially no chance of growing up with a Normal male perspective; unless they are home schooled.”
      Indeed
      It’s in part why learning anything about the red pill came from observation. I really love learning. Just not feeling guilt and shamed for it not being someone’s version of the world I grew up with.
      Homeschool is great if you got the resources for it.
      I try to teach myself along the way but The information here really helped me out an a grand scale.

  53. @Not Born This Morning
    May 3rd, 2015 at 11:49 am

    “All that reflects and dovetails perfectly into oneitis, a misconception of scarcity, fear of rejection, fear of intimacy, etc.”

    I agree entirely that it may reflect one-itis, it may mis-conceive scarcity, it may be a fear of rejection, I may fear intimacy, etc.

    Except when it doesn’t.

    It may but it doesn’t. If that statement is true, then my reflection on my station in life is satisfactory to me. Sure I have ego investment in the choices I’ve made. But I also have the wisdom to know the difference of good quality vs. poor quality.

    “Did you ever consider that the reason you wrote what you wrote may be to defend an unrealistic paradigm that you are having a hard time letting go of? Did you ever consider that you are actually writing to yourself and not us? You may be (like I did) attempting to defend yourself from your pain of your realization that the essence of what you wrote is not real.”

    I do consider that and I have reflected on it quite a bit. But I’m not qualifying myself to this audience. I’m merely reflecting on a journey well taken. Whereas I see a lot of commentators projecting on what their relationships are going to be in the future. See the difference.

    I’m not living a pained or constrained existence. I’m adapting to problems I face each and every day and trying to make sure the hurdles that I face appear as small as possible.

    As Rollo said: “Real Power is the degree to which a person has control over their own circumstances. Real Power is the degree to which we control the directions of our lives.”

    See I have significantly better control over my monogamous relationship that I could spinning plates. And with a good woman, if you don’t think that sexual variety in monogamy is possible to simulate hindbrain impulses to go out and spread seed, then maybe you haven’t read enough of Ian Ironwoods excellent writing.

    Whether its luck or my skills that keeps a WILF on hand, I still submit that if I was given a pass to be with any other woman I’ve known or seen I would still choose her as my one. An even though it seems paradoxical on the face of it, it is still possible not to suffer one-itis as a pathological impulse in this situation. I felt the real pangs of one-itis last month (due to some unique circumstances) and I resisted the impulse. Today I feel no urges of one-itis. And I have the wisdom to know the difference.

    I simply don’t accept your thesis that I could have a better situation. Or that I’m deluding myself because of my ego investments. All could go to shit tomorrow, but I’m not worried about that happening. As a physician I well recognize bad shit happens randomly and suddenly to good and bad people. All the time.

  54. @Sun Wukong

    To Glenn “On the more serious note, you didn’t really give an answer to my question of how the Left/Right national politics are going to help a guy make his individualist decisions on a day to day basis.”

    As you typed that I was passing a sentence in “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance”. I’m re-reading it after having read it in 1980. The sentence on p. 314 says ” I think metaphysics is good if it improves everyday life; otherwise forget it.

    Hah.

    1. You mentioned metaphysics dismissively. Metaphysics is often derided because it is nothing but beliefs and/or religion. Philosophically, however, metaphysics is the analysis of statements about reality which are possible, impossible and necessary. So, metaphysics is a part of everyday life related to what people believe about what is impossible, what is possible and what is necessary. Science plays a key role here is being skeptical of ordinary language use and everyday life. This blog is itself skeptical of the practices and claims of our culture and thus addresses metaphysics.

  55. ….And the author was reflecting on how is old self that went crazy (literally) thinking about metaphysics and his new self lets it’s quandaries roll off his back.

    Don’t go crazy Glenn. Show us how to use your knowledge for everyday life.

  56. I would like to ask those who look down to paying for sex to give the reasons why paying for sex is unacceptable.

  57. To Love Survivor:

    I don’t have the time right now to answer in full but will try later this evening. I believe I am in a position to set things straight because I don’t think you understand the majority of opinions here. In case you are wondering, I’ve essentially gone MGTOW and see “Escorts” as you do. I do not refer to them as prostitutes, that is degrading. And I’m doing it for the right reasons and even then, I probably am not doing what is best for me, long term. I know that and choose to do it anyway. I will try to explain …

    Rocket

  58. @Glenn,

    I’ve read probably every single word Marx put to pen: all of Das Kapital (yes, all), The Manifesto, The Paris Manuscripts, Grundrisse, most of his correspondences, et al. I’ve also read Marxists or Marxian philosophers from Gramsci to Fromm, and lots in between.

    I am also as much a RPer as you’ll ever meet, and Tomassi’s blog is by far the most insightful of all of them, but make no mistake when I tell you in the most explicit language you’ll ever read here or elsewhere: Karl Marx is probably the smartest human that ever walked on this rock called Earth. His utter genius absolutely dwarfs any other single individual I’ve ever read in history, including Newton or Einstein.

    To sit here and ignore his gargantuan contribution to literally, well, everything (he’s the most cited scientist… ever) is not just disingenuous, but downright retarded – it shows that either you yourself haven’t read him or did so without understanding much of what you did. He founded sociology as a science, and his dialectics are used in probably every field in science; his analyses of capitalism are spot-on to this day. His ideas of alienation, of commodity fetishism, market value vs. use-value, of what a worker is and his social relations, etc. — these analyses have no equal. Did he get some things wrong? Yes, every scientist does, even one that’s as giant as he. And even the points that most academics agree he got incorrect are contentious — labor theory of value, etc.

    Rollo is correct: RP should be apolitical. What Marx fought for is not so green-haired women can yell rape. He fought the exploitation that is inherent in our sociopolitical and economic system. He, above anyone else, talked the talk when it came to actually changing the world. Now, are the people who bend and contort his words to suit their needs (e.g., Stalinism, Maoism)? Absolutely: the words of every genius have so been contorted, but such is the nature of human inquiry and forcing that inquiry to look at its own condition.

    RP needs to stop hating on this ‘liberal left’ and equating radical feminists with philosophers and thinkers that have been dead for over a century. Stop being retarded and think more critically.

  59. @RPmuststophating

    A babe in the woods. Your lack of simple understanding of human nature and/or hierarchy like all taxonomical hierarchies is right there with Uncle Karl.

    I don’t say this as a capitalist but as a predator.

    Poor boy, slavery is the preferred and default preference of all but a few men whom are most definitely your betters. Your need for it drips from your words as the smell of it likely drips from your pores.

    Just look around this site! Men, set free, fighting to let the chains lay on them, as you do. I used to find it sad, now I merely see it as a data point.

  60. Go on then, convince me that Lone is not Professor Wossname, sidekick or mere minion of S(i)irTyrion.
    Short. Check
    Dago. Check.
    Has some kind of incomprehensible beef, barely distinguishable from passion, with harmless and unaware northern Euros (of either or any gender, all of whom are much much larger, wealthier and generally more socially adept than “him”). Checkmeister.

  61. Dang Rollo, talking this political stuff must really rub you the wrong way (pun intended). I promised Lone a more extensive update and don’t have lots of time but will try to bang out an response.

    So, I don’t harbor the animosity that other do for Mr Lone. I believe he is legit. A young member of the RP society. Too eager and to impatient as the young tend to be. Most importantly he thinks he has shit figured out and doesn’t and isn’t shy about shooting his mouth off. Sounds harsh but I don’t mean it that way; he spouted his views, got hit from most sides, stuck it out and then asked a legit question. He is man and acted like a man and I will respect him as such and give him an answer.

    So Mr. Lone, you are probably in for some surprises in the answers. First, was that I engage in the same practice as you and have admitted it here and on other forums. Second surprise is that you will find that the vast majority of men in the Sphere are actually IN FAVOR OF MARRIAGE and indeed, like Rollo there are quiet a few who actually are married and have been for a long, long time. Surprised ? And here is a zinger, I am a professed MTGOW and see Escorts and I too am in favor of marriage and would not be opposed to marrying again in the future should I find a Unicorn or should the conditions change. Right now under marriage 2.0 conditions are such that I will not marry and recommend to most others to do the same. There is another blog that if you don’t know, you should. It Dalrock and he described marriage very effectively; he uses a Biblical approach but don’t let that hang you up.

    So why are we in favor of marriage ? Well, as you probably can tell from the discussions it is VERY BAD for society and the state of marriage right now has essentially predicted that our society (Western, US) has no future. Civilization as we know it is based as men and women working as team to construction a family unit which is optimal for raising children. That model has been destroyed by Feminism.

    In one of your first posts here you posted a link to an Aaron Clary video and he railed that the Sphere cannot be stopped !!! BS. But he did raise an important thing about men. We need to have a purpose. A job/career/vocation and a family to lead and provide for. That much is true. We often discuss Hypergamy and how it is baked into the DNA of females, well males are human too and we have behaviors baked into our DNA too. And without a marriage and family many men have no purpose. They are lost. Do drugs, commit crimes, suicide, etc. It is not pretty. Men NEED marriage/family to feel fulfilled.

    Making sense ? (I’m gonna split this into pieces).

  62. OK, Mr. Lone … part II

    If you follow Rollo’s teaching you will find some very important truths. First is the “N Count” that is very important. I believe (and may be in the minority) that the more sexual partners a woman has the harder it is for her to eventually bond with her mate. Brain chemistry is altered, Alpha widow, whatever you want to call it. Over centuries and centuries and even today in some societies (muslim) there is a distinct preference for marrying a virgin. The reason is that marrying a virgin is the best predictor that a couple will marry and stay together for the long term. That as you can imagine is optimal for the MAN, for the WOMAN, and for the CHILDREN too. So everybody wins.

    I suspect given your comments you are in your 20s. Right ? Think of us here as your tribal elders giving you advice. If you are 25 years old you should be looking for a 21 year old virgin or who has an N count of < 3 and marrying that bitch ! The reason we will tell you that is that it will ONLY get harder in the future for you. Rollo has lots of stats about age, SMV, etc. The truth is that the older the age of the woman the greater the odds of her N count being high. So if you see Escorts for the next 5 years and then decide you want to settle down you are going to be hitting up girls 25-30 and their N counts are going to higher than what you can do now. Make sense ?

    There are other reasons too. Many men feel that seeing Escorts is like cheating. Its like taking Performance Enhancing Drugs in athletics. Rollo talks about "performance" and that its a mans job to perform. A man has to earn what he gets; in many cases all a woman has to do is show up. So by seeing Escorts you are not earning anything. You are letting your $$$ do all the work.

    The truth is that as a man you are NEVER out of the game. Avoiding the game by paying $$$ for an escort means you are avoiding doing the work you need to do to improve as a man.

  63. Lone … part III

    Avoiding working your issues and improving as man is an important point and I want to follow up that. There was some recent discussion here about all the preaching to become Alpha, look like Alpha, act like Alpha … blah, blah, blah. I’m against that because I think that most men cannot and will never become the Alpha they want to be.

    But there was an important point that was made. There are lots of recommendations to “get to the gym” or “lift” or “workout and get in shape” the discussion centered around “are you doing it to achieve better success with women” or are you doing it “to improve yourself as a human being”. The motivation is what is important; you must do it for the right reasons. Many pointed out that if you do it (go to the gym) to feel better about yourself, live a healthier lifestyle, meet new people, etc … many times you will ALSO have more success with women; but its a side effect, not the goal. Its the motivation behind what you are doing is what is important.

    So with regards to Escorts … why are you doing it ? Is it making you a better human being ? Is it going to help you down the road ? Or is it a cop out to avoid doing the real work necessary to address your issues ?

    You will notice that the “morality” of what you are doing did not even come into play.

    Hope that helps you on your Red Pill journey.

  64. @Lone Survivor

    “Do you really think women women will privilege a guy with the body of Charles Atlas over an average joe with a BMW m318?”

    Let me guess . . . you drive a BMW m318?

    There is absolutely tons of this on the manosphere . . . dudes having random, one-off experiences, then taking to the Internet to describe those experiences as universal gospel. A favorite example is Return of Kings’ series of “How to Date X Type of Girl” posts. They always read suspiciously like a lightly fictionalized account of that one time this guy slept with a, I dunno, redhead. Who happened to give really good blow jobs. “Fact: Redheads give amazing blow jobs.” But then stopped talking to him after a couple of weeks. “Fact: Redheads will stop talking to you after 2 weeks.”

  65. Let me repeat a comment I made over at Dalrock on the infiltration of cultural Marxists into our social institutions.

    Feminism and equality or whatever was NEVER the goal and the feminists were nothing but “Useful Idiots.” The goal was a “Scorched Earth Policy” to institute the “Long March” through our social institutions all the way to “Year 0.”

    Power to the people, Comrades!

    TLDR: Communism was not defeated. It morphed into an equalitarianism mindset that dominates our culture.

  66. @Glenn

    Haha. Glenn is just manic. Sounds like you’re on a lot of coffee, and maybe something else.

    “Feminists from the start saw themselves as part of the tradition of say a John Stuart Mills, or Bentham or Condorcet or others, which is where socialism emanated.”

    A learned discourse though. I don’t know much concrete about the origins of feminism, though that’s an area I hope to work more in. But I think the basic connection you’re pointing out is clear for all to see, in the world we live in just as much as in intellectual history.

    I think the connection goes like this: hedonism eventually results in the feminization of society. It needs no argument to show that the hardest, most austere way of life is also the manliest. But why is that?

    The hedonist begins by deifying his desires, and ends by deifying the object of his desires—the greatest of these being women. Slavery to one’s desires becomes slavery to the object of those desires—women.

    I see the connection in the little things around me all day. All the guys I interact with are pussies, because they are so used to seeking the approval of women.

    Zeno of Elea conspired to kill the tyrant Nearches. He was caught and tortured, and asked to give up the names of his co-conspirators. ” . . . He was asked by the tyrant if there was any one else. And he replied, “Yes, you, the destruction of the city.” And that he also said to the bystanders, “I marvel at your cowardice, if you submit to be slaves to the tyrant out of fear of such pains as I am now enduring.” And at last he bit off his tongue and spit it at him; and the citizens immediately rushed forward, and slew the tyrant with stones.”

    Rather than give in to the tyrant’s demands, Zeno bit off his own tongue and spit it in the tyrant’s face.

    Which of you would do so today?

  67. @Glenn

    It’s no accident, the relationship between Mill and Wollstonecraft. Everything good, and everything bad, about conventional liberal ideas today stems from Millian ideas. What I called hedonism is not too far off from utilitarianism; and the connection to socialism is hinted at by the idea of “materialism.”

    Another interesting connection is Rousseau. I actually haven’t read some of the works that would speak directly to this, but at some higher level of abstraction, Rousseau’s entire idea about the inherent goodness in human nature is a lynchpin of modern political liberalism.

    It’s not hard to see the connection. If people are inherently good, then the bad that we see all around us is the result of some corrupting influence that can, in principle, be eradicated. For feminists it is women that represent that innocent, uncorrupted goodness; and the corruption stems entirely from men—from their enterprises, their ambitions, their wars.

    Feminism is merely one resonance of this Rousseauean idea.

  68. @ rocket re Lone … part III

    “Avoiding working your issues and improving as man is an important point and I want to follow up that. There was some recent discussion here about all the preaching to become Alpha, look like Alpha, act like Alpha … blah, blah, blah. I’m against that because I think that most men cannot and will never become the Alpha they want to be.”

    Sounds like you’re contradicting yourself there and I disagree with that last sentence. If Men improve on their game (keep fit/strong, and learning simple Gaming/PUA techniques) they can and will become more Alpha.

    There are heaps of former beta bp guys here that swallowed the RP, got or are getting their shit together and are becoming more alpha. I am one of them. Even if you are 80% natural alpha and have 20% beta traits, you can work on that 20% and still massively improve.
    I have height, muscularity, social proof with my various hobbies, success in sports, but, I was a hopeless beta in many other key areas that I have either killed off completely or improved dramatically.

    Don’t wish it was easier, wish you were better.

    Re the hooker/escort debate, I think it’s a buffer / crutch, and Rollo has touched on this aspect throughout his many brilliant essays.

    As Men we want genuine desire from a woman to get that crazy monkey sex that comes with it. With a hooker it is negotiated desire. I can’t think of anything worse than undesired fake sexual experiences.

    As Men, we have that hunting/conquering instinct in our DNA. What’s that saying about T-Rex doesn’t want to be fed, he wants to hunt…
    I like the challenge of Gaming a women into bed. I’ve done it 60/70 odd times in my 43 years on the planet so I know if I approach some girls, I’ll eventually get the lay and an LTR (if I choose).

    Last but not least, when getting a hooker, you’re on the clock. I’ll bet on average most guys might fuck for 20/30 min, blow their loads, talk a bit, get dressed, pay her the cash, then leave. When I get a woman (or a regular plate) back to my place, I know I’ll probably end up banging her 3-4 times over the course of the night and morning. So the time/effort vs money/ROI debate doesn’t concern me.

  69. @ Divided Line
    May 2nd, 2015 at 1:12 am

    Dude, I dig your commentary. You are expressing many things (better than I could) that have been bubbling up in my consciousness of late. Thanks.

  70. “Generate positive emotions in your female ABOUT HOW SHE RELATES TO YOU.”

    How?

    Pretty simple, actually, though it does require work.

    You must work on yourself, to become a better spiritual being. That sounds nebulous… what does it mean? It means that when you lay down at night to go to sleep and your inner self speaks to you, that you must learn to abide the desires of that inner voice, and then work HARD to make them real. Maybe you want to be an artist, or a business owner, or a family man, or a scientist, or an academic, or a pastor, or a teacher, or an athlete, or an engineer, or a healer, or a carpenter, or a hunter, or a programmer, or a spiritual seeker, or a farmer/rancher, or a soldier, or a firefighter… it really doesn’t matter. Your path is your path, and that’s the end of that. And beyond the core “professional” aspects of who and what you are, exist all the myriad other dimensions to you: your physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual components.

    Yeah, it’s a lot. Welcome to life, the ultimate game.

    To be clear, so that you don’t conflate these comments with ‘religious’ stuff, here is what I consider spiritual: shooting 10 under at the Masters at 21 years of age, HAVING CALLED IT AS A TEENAGER; defending the UFC Welterweight belt 9 times, AND THEN GIVING UP THE BELT FOR DEFENSE OF INTEGRITY OF THE SPORT; Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn; teaching one’s children everything that one has to teach them, leaving everything on the floor.

    *Whatever* your path, you must learn to do it to the very best of your ability… for nobody else but yourself. At the end of the day, nobody else cares about your ‘score in life.’ They only care about their OWN ‘score in life.’ That is only partially true. They care about your score in life, to the extent that it affects THEIR score in life. So, there’s that, not to be dismissed.

    Nonetheless, I maintain that YOU are the only scorekeeper (in this plane) who really matters. The rest of your earthly world will shift and adjust around you… IN THEIR BEST INTERESTS.

    So then, the key is to live your path to the best of your ability in a way that others will bend their own path to wrap yours, BECAUSE IT IS IN THEIR BEST INTERESTS TO DO SO. This concept was the bane of my existence for many years, and I searched everything under the sun to find a way around it. In the end, I found nothing. In my humble conclusion, it really is just about that. And in a weird way, that really is the unifying grand reality behind all else. I won’t go deep into the metaphysics of that statement, other than to say this: as humans, we really are all connected on a spiritual level. What you are seeking is your place in that body of the sea of connections. And you want your place there to be optimal. I want your place there to be optimal, also.

    The key to that is to embrace your inner spiritual self. By “spiritual” I mean this: that part of you that is timeless and eternal, beyond the reach of all of the wickedness of this world. It’s there. It really does exist. (For me, personally, I require time in nature to connect with it… others I know have different methods.)

    Here’s the curious part about all of this. Humans want to be loved. In order to satiate that desire, they do all manner of fucked up things that they think will earn them love, though of course it doesn’t.

    Enough rambling, let’s boil this down to the topic on everyone’s mind: males/females. Ok, but I forewarn you that you’re going to be dumbstruck by how simple this is.

    It’s not about “game” or money or physique or social status. It’s about all of that and much more. Would you guys care to know what is the glaring blind spot of the manosphere? It’s this: the manosphere sees everything from the male perspective. You want to know how to fuck? Learn to see things from the female perspective. Learn to understand the various vectors of social and genetic pressure that they are under (just as you are under different pressures, as a male). Map those vectors and you’ve got yourself a bona fide win-win situation.

    You must understand this about females: the most important thing for them is to be able to run back to their family and friends and tell them a plausible story about how they have succeeded as a female in this world (responsibility for you). That can literally encompass such a wide percentage of possible realities (unlike for men) that it is truly mind blowing for a male to even consider. Females can and will and do spin golden thread out of the most ridiculous situations. But that’s good for the species… it keeps things moving forward.

    Are you beginning to read between the lines here, or should I spell it out?

    Ok, I’ll spell it out, partially. Stop looking for a shortcut, and just commit to being your best self. Everything else will follow. It is biologically written, thusly.

    PS:

    Think about this: shitbags teaching you to fake your life and to fake your interactions with females… and how that ripples, like a stone tossed into a pond, across the spiritual connectedness of us all, in exchange for your cash money. If those shitbags are so willing to convince YOU to be fake toward your reality in order to get some poon, then why do you trust that they are not faking you in order to get some of your hard cash money into their bank accounts? Hmmmm? Integrity, yo.

    Snap out of it, bitchez.

  71. @ Rocket

    Hey, thanks for the answer. Allow me first to state that in fact I am in favor of marriage. My current age is 34, a decade older than you state. My vision of things is congruent with yours in several aspects:
    1. women get damaged over time: simply because the longer the number of relations the higher the letdowns/pain.
    2. “Civilization as we know it is based as men and women working as team to construction a family unit which is optimal for raising children. That model has been destroyed by Feminism”. 100% agreed.
    3. ” The motivation is what is important; you must do it for the right reasons. Many pointed out that if you do it (go to the gym) to feel better about yourself, live a healthier lifestyle, meet new people”. 100% agreed.

    Let my put it this way: I am constantly striving towards excellence. Don’t want to bore you with the details, but nowadays I speak 3 languages (learning the fourth one, of the country where I currently live), I am doing sports and basically I do everything I do to increase my self-worth.

    Thing is that I am done with chasing women at nightclubs, done with playing with her rules, done with playing “AMOG”, done with going where women go to see if I get tail. Now, my mission and purpose is to get my PhD, continue practicing sports, travel, and develop my intellect.

    Escorts are the leverage I have against the feminine imperative. Instead of dedicating my life to learn PUA skills (which I believe to backfire as the only women PUA skills will get you are low quality, low self-esteem and/or psycho women) I pay for half an hour of sex and get back to my life.

    Of course I am open to meeting new women. However, meeting new women is now under MY terms:
    1. I meet women in my daily life (courses, gym, ecc)
    2. I only address women who show signals of interest (those who look at me and do not seem to be holding back)
    3. I don’t spend time trying to convince/persuade/manipulate a woman to have sex with me

    An important thing to analyze:

    “There are other reasons too. Many men feel that seeing Escorts is like cheating. Its like taking Performance Enhancing Drugs in athletics. Rollo talks about “performance” and that its a mans job to perform. A man has to earn what he gets; in many cases all a woman has to do is show up. So by seeing Escorts you are not earning anything. You are letting your $$$ do all the work.”

    The thing is that we men do not have to perform to women, we have to perform to society and to ourselves. I perform at the gym, at sports, at my job… but not at women anymore. Performing for women is putting them in a pedestal and assuming that they are the prize (isn’t that the feminine imperative?). And the truth is that as time goes on, I am becoming more and more a better catch, so I don’t perform to them because I KNOW that.

  72. “The thing is that we men do not have to perform to women, we have to perform to society and to ourselves. I perform at the gym, at sports, at my job… but not at women anymore. ”

    You don’t perform for women, you perform for money . . . for women. Got it.

  73. “Most of the people who hit the gym compulsively are guys who never get laid.”

    In order to meet women, a man needs to put himself in a social environment where their are women for him to meet in the first place – gyms can be good places to meet many women. Actually, men that go to gym most likely get with women more often than men that don’t.

  74. “47-year-old SurveyMonkey CEO and husband of Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg ‘passed away suddenly’ while on vacation abroad with his family”

    http://www.thewrap.com/dave-goldberg-undisclosed-cause-of-death-leading-to-speculation-concern/

    It was said that Sandberg “returned” to Washington DC after the death, but others have noted that she was already in Washington at the time of death. The death has raised questions, such as in this comment:

    “Sheryl Sandberg has spent the last few years proclaiming women can ‘have it all,’ as long as they had a supportive, devoted spouse like Dave Sandberg.

    If Dave Sandberg killed himself, that’s news.”

  75. Well, well…Carly Fiorina wants to be prez. She’s the former chief executive wench of Hewlett Packard who was ranked as one the worst tech CEOs ever. It’s scary folks. Not because she’ll win. But because this type of unbridled narcissism among today’s women is just the tip of the iceberg.

  76. * Just a side note…a little off topic:

    I saw the trailer for the new Mad Max movie and (as usual) they are inserting a female co-lead character into the film. Mad Max is a lone (road warrior) movie. He does (or did in the originals) run into other female characters during his travels but he (alone) was the driving force behind the success of the past movies.

    This movie will probably be a good action flick but Hollywood has tainted yet another good film (of the past) by trying to insert the “politically correct” – female character – into the film.

    I’m surprised the casting agent didn’t get Michelle Rodriguez to play the part (the only type of character she knows how to play – a man).

  77. @TheLastCoyote

    “Well, well…Carly Fiorina wants to be prez. She’s the former chief executive wench of Hewlett Packard who was ranked as one the worst tech CEOs ever….”

    But you’ll never hear those words (worst CEOs ever) coming from women. All they will say is that she is qualified because she was a “leader” (CEO) of a large corporation.

    She may have been in charge but she was a pretty shitty leader. It will take men bringing up why she is “not qualified” to lead this country into the ground (just like HP while she was in charge).

    Men will need to keep the focus on her “qualifications” versus the “woman” issue – that many women will want to argue (deflect).

  78. My last to try and wake you guys up to the centrality of the politics in all of this. The very title of Rollo’s post is a version of a left wing idea. “Make the political personal” is a left wing cry, and is part of why we are where we are at. You see, this forces them to internalize their political ideology and actualize it in their actions and lives. It also means that they have to drop all reservations and doubts, which is very handy when trying to create an activist block that can be easily controlled.

    The very idea of this post arises from left wing politics. But I’m a kook. What a fucking joke.

  79. Or wait, Rollo, are you going to try and tell me that the “make the personal political” arises from the FI too? Not from Marxist agitators? I mean, gosh, what doesn’t arise from the FI than? It’s starting to sound strangely like that magical pixie world controlling fairy dust the feminists use, “patriarchy” doesn’t it?

    1. @Glenn, I intended no such thing. The point of the post was to illustrate how the influence of biology expands into a meta-social scale.

      Every post you’ve made in this thread has either been an attempt to impress the gallery here with your exhaustive pedigree in socio-political education, or a a foaming rant about how you hate Leftists.

      You missed the point entirely. Sexuality, families, & men did not come about because of “society”. Sexuality, families, & men made “society” possible in the first place. Do you get that?

      Yes, I’ve read Marx (it was still in the library then), Engles, Proudhon, Petrarch, Machiavelli and 90% of the Great Books For Men reading list. Ironically most of them were required reading for my liberal arts. I’ve also read Freud, Jung, Skinner, Hasselton, Maslow and many more I don’t care to list.

      The point is, you’re missing the point. I’m asking questions and connecting dots. People with questions don’t scare me, people with none do.

      If you want to educate us please do, but don’t get so far up your own ass that you feel the need to talk down to us. I really am interested in what you have to say.

      1. @Rollo
        why not save more money and just jerk off to porn? If you’re all about pragmatism why not just rub one out instead of paying an escort?

        Sounds like a blue pill 16yr old me.

        @Lucien
        It needs no argument to show that the hardest, most austere way of life is also the manliest. But why is that?

        Now that’s something I can apply today in a new frame of reference.
        “All the guys I interact with are pussies, because they are so used to seeking the approval of women.”
        That’s why I love going through hell and not complaining. I really need to work on that.
        @ch9kmh
        “You must work on yourself, to become a better spiritual being. ”
        That is a good thing to be reminded of.
        @Excalibur
        “Actually, men that go to gym most likely get with women more often than men that don’t.”
        Really true off observation

        @all
        For some local redpill goodness in USA http://goldmundunleashed.com/goldmund-does-america-be-a-part-of-it/

  80. @LoneSurvivor, you make some very good points (although I don’t fully agree with you) – I always felt TRP had only a partial view of things and to some extent the tradcon/PUA hybrids on the TRP reddit, Roosh forum etc. had to an element a sour-grapes mentality when they realised that a girl wanted them only for sex (talk about role reversal from 50-60 years ago thanks to Birth Control) while for relationships specifically and quite opportunistically wanted men with resources and status (with height and race i.e. caucasian being the main ‘looks’ component for LTRs). So the ‘Beta-Bux’ phrase caught-on despite them having LTRs with pretty attractive guys although not the best of the best looking with sh*t game.

    This also explains why Roosh felt like a clown despite all the effort he puts in to game women.

    But, I agree with the others as well that a women wanting to have cabana-boy like sex with you is a whole different experience vs duty/whore like sex ..Rollo has said himself that when he was broke he had the wildest sex.

    Please continue posting @LoneSurvivor you bring a vital perspective that is missing in the dialogue, this is why coming to this blog – people are often open minded to other opinions.

  81. Hey Rollo,

    I wanted to personally and publicly thank you for all of your elucidations.

    I found you through Roissy via an article, (The New Dating Game by Charlotte Allen), that I read a few years ago in the Weekly Standard.

    I was looking for some sort of explanation, after suing a few wild oats as a result of my divorce from my 15 year marriage as to what I was experiencing in the dating market and wanting to get back into a serious relationship again.

    Needless to say I found women’s behavior to be a real head scratcher. I knew hypergamy before I knew Hypergamy. lol

    Not only do you enlightened me on women’s true nature but have provided me insight as to my past failures and successes in the dating market.

    I look forward to your post and consider you and Heartside the gold standard.

    If what Aristotle says that Wisdom is a consequence of experience plus introspection and understanding that Alpha and attraction is contextual your isights continue to be mind expanding and a constant support for those of us that need it.

    As a quick aside I think that much of the ponderous pontificating in this thread only reaffirms your notion that politics would only pollute, or allow someone to co-opt your message about the FI.

    Best to you!

  82. @Lone Survivor
    May 4th, 2015 at 2:06 am

    “The thing is that we men do not have to perform to women, we have to perform to society and to ourselves. I perform at the gym, at sports, at my job… but not at women anymore. Performing for women is putting them in a pedestal and assuming that they are the prize (isn’t that the feminine imperative?). And the truth is that as time goes on, I am becoming more and more a better catch, so I don’t perform to them because I KNOW that.”

    I’m not saying this to be an asshole or a braggart. Just to make you think more about your philosophy and plans for the future. I think you could have a better philosophy and attitude to serve your future interests better.
    You do believe in marriage? Do you would get married if the right girl comes along?
    What are you going to do with your attitude you describe above? Flip a switch and all the quality girls will come running towards your DHV?

    Getting married requires finding a woman. If you are isolating yourself to only women that notice you. Or that covet you, you are missing out on the potential for more experience that will come in handy when you need it the most. After marriage. And that married man game is much more important than single man game.

    A woman is not going to stay with you (if that’s what you want) if you don’t perform for her.

    From Rollo’s link above.

    “Isolation is dangerous – building fortresses around yourself only cuts you off from information and experiences that will help you become a better Man. And while I think it’s an unavoidable reality to pay women for sex in some context, I would still advocate for learning Game (theory and practice) to maximize a Man’s potential for getting the best return on his investments.”

  83. FWIW, I definitely prefer the Fleshlight to using my hand. Although it’s kind of inconvenient, so I actually end up almost never using it at all.

    I suppose it speaks volumes about sex vs. masturbation that I wouldn’t hesitate to go out of my way to drive to a party just for a chance to meet some girls, while I have the Fleshlight sitting in my drawer but having to use lubrication and clean it up after, which takes all of several minutes, seems like it’s more trouble than it’s worth. Even though physically it feels infinitely better than using my hand.

    Anyone here ever look at Your Brain on Porn dot com? I’ve struggled with the idea of porn addiction — and possibly the very real effects of it — since I was 13. Although the first porn I saw was probably when I was 7 years old or so.

    When I completely abstain from porn and masturbation for even a little while, like four or five days, I seem to develop more energy and confidence. But then cravings to jerk off — ESPECIALLY, if not exclusively, to porn — overwhelm me. I start getting all kinds of anxiety and fatigue and just feel ‘off.’

    The ‘loaded gun’ theory seems to have worked for me, in the sense that my energy reserves seem to skyrocket when I abstain from masturbation. It makes me wonder if the Taoists were right about semen retention —

    — “The Multi-Orgasmic Man” by Mantak Chia is something I never got around to practicing, but it sounds very promising from what I have read.

    Anyway, with the little experience I have had, abstaining from ejaculation while fooling around also seemed to leave me feeling better.

    In reality I don’t think I would ever do this on a regular basis, but I have done it once in a while, and I enjoyed that the aggressive sexual feelings didn’t die down at all.

    And re-channeling the craving to jerk off to porn into talking to, or even just texting girls, definitely makes it feel easier to flirt and sexually escalate.

    I find I’m more willing to touch girls playfully when I haven’t jerked off in a while. Whatever it is that builds up from abstaining definitely helps with being more aggressive.

    At YBOP he gets into all this pretty extensively, and makes a very cutting argument for how — let me be clear — HIGH SPEED INTERNET PORN — which is unlike anything else we’ve EVER had access to over the course of our entire evolution — can lead to physiological changes in the brain that are right in line with addiction.

    e.g., plummeting level of dopamine receptors/dopamine receptor sensitivity.

    Or as Gary Wilson says from:

    http://yourbrainonporn.com/does-porn-addiction-cause-irreversible-damage-to-the-brain

    “Addiction neuroplasticity can be summarized as: continued consumption → DeltaFosB → activation of genes → changes in synapses → sensitization and desensitization. (See The Addicted Brain for more detail.) It appears that desensitization eventually leads to loss of executive control (hypofrontality), another major feature of addictions.”

    I remember one testimony about porn addiction stuck out to me: the guy said he needed a girlfriend to really recover.

    For me, I don’t want a girlfriend, but having at least one and preferably two to three fuck buddies would be a good start.

    I noticed long-lasting positive effects from the few times I’ve broken my incel dry spell by having a couple hookups. They had a lot of longevity — just those few encounters, one night stands — left me feeling pretty elevated for weeks afterwards.

    Whereas after I go on porn I usually feel burned out and exhausted and anything BUT positive.

    I’m an extreme example, having been addicted to porn since I started masturbating, and never having had a girlfriend or a fuck buddy in my entire life.

    I’ve had a couple real, in-person experiences, enough to get a sense of the difference between the two.

    But all the times I’ve tried to quit porn, it felt like an uphill battle because I wasn’t getting laid.

    And I’m still not.

    Although last time I quit porn for 6 whole months, which was the longest I ever went….I was still Blue Pill. In that time I had one hookup, but then I got LJBF’d by the girl I had ONE-itis for, and fell right back into jerking off to porn every day because I was so upset about it and had been so convinced it would work out.

    Porn addiction fits right in there with evo-psych, though, and especially with incels like me, and lots of guys struggling with social anxiety and depression — I think porn is something that really needs to be looked at very closely in terms of the effects it’s having on these guys’ brains. There’s a lot of evidence that it’s having a significant effect.

    I’m not swayed by the anti-porn community’s elevation of relationships. I think they’re still mostly against the male imperative, and put too much emphasis on ‘loving bonds’ between men and women.

    All I’m concerned with is quitting porn for the explicit goal of fucking women instead of going on porn.

    I have no moral problem with porn and I would be going on it constantly if I didn’t believe that it was negatively influencing just about every aspect of my life.

    Just like highly processed, packaged foods are not the same as whole foods, pornography is not the same as sex with a girl.

    We didn’t evolve to go on porn.

    I even find that I feel better when I just masturbate without using porn, but the draw to use porn is usually too strong for me to resist, especially having no sex life.

    It creates kind of a Catch-22, doesn’t it?

    I wonder if porn were forcibly restricted, if guys would be compelled to do something about actually getting women in bed.

    I would never restrict porn and censorship goes against just about everything I believe in — but I do think it’s an interesting personal challenge to try.

    To this day I’m still tormented by my porn use. I feel like I’m in a constant struggle with myself. But to look at porn as physiologically inert in terms of its effects on the viewers is a mistake.

    I wish it wasn’t a mistake, but my own experience leads me to believe that it is. I think it’s important to remember that this is absolutely not a moral judgment, and is purely physiological.

    Sex vs. masturbation and porn is a huge topic. Obviously we evolved to have sex. And probably masturbate to, to some extent, but I think Rollo’s made the argument that Betas masturbate more because they have no other outlets.

    When you’ve got a guy who’s basically only masturbated his entire life and has never had sex, and it’s been this way for years — ESPECIALLY throwing heavy porn use into the mix — of course that would mess with his brain.

    I think it helps me to remember the few hookups I *have* had, and replay them in my mind. Strengthening neural pathways, or something to that effect.

    It’s definitely a big difference, though, at least it has been for me.

    I always had at least a partial belief in the idea that “Game” is hard-wired into men, at least to some extent —

    — and abstaining from porn/masturbation can help to re-calibrate that. I’ve had times I was so horny, it was enough to push me out of my comfort zone with women. That led to those two hookups and also some heavy flirting with even more girls at the party, which I don’t think I would’ve done otherwise.

    I’ve gone back and forth for years between believing porn is not harmful, and that it is.

    The only next test is to see if I would still go on porn if I was getting laid on a regular basis. Maybe, maybe not. Hasn’t happened so far, so I don’t know, but it would be interesting to see.

    Honestly though I can’t imagine ever choosing porn if I had access to real sex, and never once have I felt otherwise. Maybe because I’ve been so deprived of real sex, or maybe because it’s what’s hard-wired into my sexuality as a human. Some people claim to still crave porn despite having plenty of sex, but that’s something I can’t relate to.

    When this girl visited for a 5 days on vacation and we were fooling around 5-7 times a day, I didn’t want to use porn. It didn’t even cross my mind. Funny thing, huh. Lol.

    1. @Softek
      Yeah your correct from life experience an all of what you said.
      Reminds me of getting into kundalini yoga.
      http://hermetic.com/stavish/essays/secret-fire.html
      Got me into acroyoga
      You know in rugby everyone knows how well you play based on what you DO not what you say. Even men require a performance. We just not may be as open in public about it.
      For me if I stay away from porn
      These things happen
      I become more social
      I laugh at myself which makes me happy.
      I admit I am out of shape
      I tend to hit on girls more often.
      I treat myself really well.
      I admit I am wrong more often than not.
      I play so much better and very much enjoy hitting guys 250 pounds me than me.
      I go out in nature more often.
      I accept rejection as a gilft
      I learn more material in a decent fashion for school and life.
      I travel more often.
      I am comfortable saying nothing and doing more.
      (Porn cheapens confidence)
      Your balls are confidence it’s what makes you male.
      Nothing builds that better than keeping that to yourself until you choose to share that with someone else.
      Semen is like time it holds your code you digits of your forefarthers from the past.
      It’s a gilft and shouldn’t be handled like a cheap thing at all. Your ability to love yourself has a huge impact on how you treat yourself and women can and will know.

  84. @Lone Survivor – the personal attacks you are facing here shows that despite not reading all trp concepts on this blog, you have singlehandedly nuked the ego investments and worldview of your assailants who have spent years learning game and working out in the gym thinking the only sexthat counts is if she ‘truly’ desires you physically.

    The fact is that with money as a levaraging tool you still can get a heckuva BJ even if you are fat ugly etc as long as she knows your wallet will pay for those diamond earrings that she has been wanting for months. You can still get your wild sex and port-a-potty fantasies if you demand it from her and her future financial reward is big enough.

    Expecting her to desire you is the same BP mistake redpillers here are making of thinking she is a rational agent capable of validating you.

    I love how you are getting concern trolled by people saying you will regret this in a few years, these folks are making the relational equity fallacy of-course about investing time in a woman or learning skills to get the same woman.

    A woman’s love is opportunistic.. what difference does it make if the leveraging factor is looks or money or fame as long as you get the mindblowing sexual fantasy you want from her.

    Obviously this means seeing that women are THE shit test, the rest of the commenters havent grasped this …if they do women lose a lot of their power as men stop performing for the feminine imperative and stop trying to become the product of a woman’s hindbrain to be ‘truly’ desiredby women.

    Prostitution deregulates the SMP to a big extent, women become a lot less cuntish eg German women due to competition from eastern-european sex workers. The american men have a more incomplete world view than their european counterparts when it comes to this. Also, before anyone brings up Denamrk..in northern europe prostitution is heavily regulated, which is why it hasnt had that much effect there.

    1. @Theredbaron

      “The american men have a more incomplete world view than their european counterparts when it comes to this.”

      Such seems to be the case…
      It’s a very powerful boon to travel.

  85. I am seeing many commentators mixing the decisions and lifestyle choices taken subsequent to “The Red Pill(TRP)” with TRP itself.
    TRP remains the same irrespective of whether you PUA, MRA, MGTOW or Frame Oriented (TRM)
    Just as the treatments may wary but the diagnosis of the issue remains the same. TRP is the diagnosis of the problem.
    From TRP point of view, both Rollo as well as Lone Survivor are TRPers. But both of them differ in subsequent approaches to what to do about it.

    TRP is just that apolitical, minimally biased diagnosis of the issue at hand.

    The unique point brought by Rollo not properly covered in PUA, MGTOW or MRA is the Frame.
    A few articles back Rollo received a lot of flak for saying a male has to always perform.
    I will just assert the following,
    “For an individual with the correct frame the burden of performance is not really a great burden.”
    “The burden is too great burden only in the mind.” Because, we have been foolishly taught so.
    Burden of performance is too great a burden when one’s frame is still polluted/subjugated with the teachings of a society and a civilization for whom a male is just a sacrificial lamb of social continuity and Max(resource extraction).

    As against Lone Survivor , whose decisions we see more based on frustrations and bitterness, right now.

    @Lone Survivor, you will get there.
    One quote I read some where that “Enlightenment is the moment when you realize that things are what they are exactly supposed to be.”
    The basic nature of female and rules of the game were always the same.
    HYPERGAMY is exactly the same for thousands of years, it was only conditioned and punished by society for social continuity.
    Only the conditioning has been eroded of females and hyper applied on males under recent feminism.

    Once your will have absorbed the entire of TRP and subsequently bring control to your frame, your frustrations will subside.
    Your decisions will change. Your performance will improve. You will be able to enjoy your life/career more with/without women. You will be the magnet of joy.

    @ sjfrellc
    I have been reading your comments since last many of Rollo’s posts. One consistent theme that you have been putting across is to have a high burden of performance to lock down a NAWALT when a man encounters her in his life.
    Statistically, not every man is going to get a NAWALT unicorn. So this puts it out of scope for most men.
    TRP is useful and can be applicable for all males , but your close to ONEITIS is reserved for the highest of MMVers.
    If a man; even after getting his frame right; does not break the MMV ceiling , what chance does he have to lock down a NAWALT?
    All that a man can do is get his frame right and work hard. Success is not guaranteed.

    “Flip a switch and all the quality girls will come running towards your DHV?”
    Then marriages would have been always smooth for high MMVers. But even they have unhappy marriages and get divorced.

    “A woman is not going to stay with you (if that’s what you want) if you don’t perform for her.”

    Why do I need to perform for the sake of a woman? I will perform to the best and alway bettering of my abilities. If it is good enough, its fine else Next. I can not/will not make pleasing a woman my frame of mind.

    What happens if tomorrow due to any incident/accident your MMV plummets to zero ? Your NAWALT will still be by your side or does your social circle have enough divorced / single high MMVers that she can instantly switch to.

    “From Rollo’s link above.
    “Isolation is dangerous – building fortresses around yourself only cuts you off from information and experiences that will help you become a better Man.””

    Rollo at least bring his experience from both end of the spectrum
    1. with minimum MMV in his youth, he notched a fantastic N count. Just by being a low MMV Alpha, he made many pussies wet.
    2. Then he has increased his MMV through his marriage , never cheated on his marriage but still flirts outrageously and DHVs consistently.

    What non isolatory experiences have you brought to table? considering you are always scared of cheating on your NAWALT.
    How many women have you flirted lately or with how many women have you successfully DHVed?

    With HYPERGAMY going exponential, polluting the entire school of female fishes , I find your lone example repeated ad infinitum is potentially very damaging to expectations most TRPers here.

    Your attempted social conditioning is polluting the TRP message itself.
    It is attempting to keep TRPers here in a suspended state of purple pilling, just because you donot have experience beyond your marriage and it has been so good(as per your belief) for you. You believe it should be good for everyone.

  86. @Glenn

    Question: What do you attribute your transition to the Blue Pill/Good Man worldview to? Was it really as simple as just deciding to be monogamous? I I think that marriage and monogamy is a program designed to give a man a permanent case of “oneitis”. We also seem to voluntarily de-nut ourselves this way. Would love to hear more from you on this.

    Interesting question.

    For me, I think the bluepill transition was like a pre-programming that automatically kicked in. I had been pre-conditioned to believe that once I decided to get serious in relationships, and married and started a family, everything became about self sacrifice with no real expectations of reward.

    Older married gentlemen indeed confirmed this as ” the way it is when you’re married with kids “.

    I made practically every text book mistake a man could make without realizing why what I was doing was biting me in the ass with such ferocity.

    I worked and worked to garner promotions and rises in salary, not because it was what I wanted for the most part, but I did it for ” My Family ” and ” the Future “. I didn’t stray and cheat because I was beyond all that behavior as a husband and father. I sold all of my automobiles because they tended to be a selfish waste of money on my part. My guitars followed suit because they were worth thousands of dollars, yet I didn’t have time to play because my days consisted of work, family-time and sleep.

    It’s a mystery ( or was one ) how I instinctively understood how to screw myself in such a fashion.

    Over time I found myself more and more alienated. I wanted to treat my wife with tender love and the highest respect. That dried her vagina up more than the Sahara. I tried being open and vulnerable and share my deepest thoughts and feeeeeeelllliiinnnnggsss.

    A few years after that she started with the ” we need space ” bullshit. Then of course , I became offended that she didn’t show appreciation. I became angry, frustrated and depressed.

    Other men told me that this was normal ( wtf? ).

    So, I pulled the plug and bailed.

    I could feel my wife’s pending infidelity and I didn’t want to stick around to fight about it. It took my well over a year to wake up and realize how I had let all of this come to pass by changing who I was, and trying to live up to a feminine ideal.

    It took a few more years to deprogram. It’s still funny that I occasionally feel the same old thought patterns rattling around in my mind. The FI is stronger than the damn Force.

  87. @TheRedBaron

    “the personal attacks you are facing here shows that despite not reading all trp concepts on this blog, you have singlehandedly nuked the ego investments and worldview of your assailants who have spent years learning game and working out in the gym thinking the only sexthat counts is if she ‘truly’ desires you physically.”

    Heh, no.

    All he’s done is show a lack of experience and an inability to apply Game. His choices are valid for him, but do not invalidate those of men who choose instead to develop their own Game. Statements to the effect that his views are “How it is” are attacked for their ignorance. Nothing more.

  88. I’m pretty certain that I would never, ever go back to that mindset, but I am smart enough to know that once you’ve sacrificed yourself, you could slip back into that mindset if you experience a certain amount of comfort. I’m like a recovering drug addict in that sense.

    At first I felt that I was being immature for my age (38 at divorce, 54 years old this year..).My behavior reverted to a pre-marital stage of life because that’s where my happy zone is. I started banging Brazilian strippers to get my sexual confidence back, and then I started banging everyone I could just for the fuck of it…literally.

    Most women are very much running the same mental software. It’s a relief to grasp that concept now.

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