
One of the dichotomies I consistently see in the manosphere is the differences in how men approach the importance (or feigned unimportance) of sex. I got a bit sidetracked in last week’s essay. I was planing on writing about this phenomenon when I saw the need to explore how it impacted a larger social narrative. So, let’s consider this essay an addendum to The New Polyandry.
How men publicly and privately prioritize sex is always something that leads to a judgement call about that particular man, how he lives his life, and what it says about his integrity. If you openly make sex a “big deal” in your life, or you acknowledge its importance in intersexual relationships, you open yourself up to men’s Beta Game virtue signaling. The presumption is that if you were a real Alpha sex is just something you should have mastery over. If sex is at all important to a man, and he expresses this, that guy runs the risk of being seen as “obsessed with sex“, a “pussy beggar” or in someway less of a man for allowing sex to control his decisions.
Why is this the perception?
Two weeks ago I had a lively debate with the producer of Pat Campbell’s morning show. While we did have other topics to hit on that morning, she and I dug in and talked about how “sex is the glue that holds relationships together.” You can listen to the full segment here if you like.
As I mentioned last week, the notion that men need sex is nothing I haven’t covered in the past. In You Need Sex I made a case for the importance of sex and how it was, until recently, something that constituted part of a man’s life experience. Now it seems that being a sexless virgin at age 40 should be considered an accomplishment by certain factions in the manosphere:
One very common dismissal of Red Pill awareness I read from Blue Pill men is this feigned, blasé indifference to sex.
For the most part this false-indifference is really a conditioned, response couched in Beta Game. The idea is for the Blue Pill guy to promote the public perception that he’s above his sexual impulses in the hopes that any girl within earshot (or reading his comments online) will recognize his uniqueness in not letting his cock do his thinking for him. From a male deductive logic standpoint it makes sense to the feminized male – women have all told him how off-put they are with guys who only think about sex, so he’ll identify with the women he’d like to get with and “not be like other guys.”
“All that Red Pill, PUA shit is for guy’s who obsess over sex. They only go to the lengths they do to get laid and never see the bigger picture. You don’t need sex you know? You wont die from not getting laid.”
[…]Thats the Beta Game behind the “you don’t need sex” Buffer, but there’s more to this rationale than that. Technically the Beta reasoning is correct; physically, you’re not going to die if you don’t get laid. You could probably masturbate to relieve yourself or live a sexless existence due to a physical disability and live a productive life as satisfying as you can manage it. If you don’t know what you’re missing or if a sexual substitute does the job, what’s the difference, right? The line of reasoning is that if it isn’t food, water or oxygen it isn’t really a necessity for existence.
You’re All Obsessed!
Self-righteous Blue Pill men always look to make their necessities into virtues. It also helps the men who fall on the 80% side of the Hypergamous Pareto curve to convince themselves and others that their sexual strategy – one that follows enforced monogamy – is the moral one; or the logical, common sense one absent the moral context. If you cannot get laid yourself, at least you can make getting laid into an ‘obsession‘ for the 20% of men who can. By doing so you encourage the 20% of men, who women desire to fuck, to police themselves and women by adopting your own, self-superior, one-woman-per-man sexual strategy.
Pretty much every MRA I’ve listened to, most Traditional Conservatives and a few MGTOWs, like to qualify men who can get laid as being in some way obsessed with getting laid. We’re told how morally superior they themselves are for essentially thinking with the big head instead of the little one, thus confirming their own part in a monogamous sexual strategy. As I mentioned in the last essay, a majority of men tend to fall on one side of the Strategic Pluralism Theory with respect to their sexual strategy.
Low SMV (sexual market value) men are basically forced to invest in one woman at a time if they are to successfully reproduce. This is the basis of a socio-sexual order founded on enforced monogamy. The larger pool of men benefit reproductively if the majority of men can be relied upon to follow the dictates of socially accepted, socially enforced, form of monogamy.
In the past this emphasis also had a culling effect on the worst aspects of women’s Hypergamous tendencies. If all men – including the 20% who could enjoy many women – agreed to play by the old social contract and adopted monogamy as their sexual strategy (in spite of being able to reproduce outside it) then more men would have the opportunity to reproduce. Furthermore, women’s Hypergamy would also be forced to accept lower SMV men’s monogamous strategy as a buffer to worst aspects of their own.
In the past, religious and social mores used to act as a buffer against Hypergamy, but the compromise for women was that they could expect to have the Beta Bucks provisioning aspects of their Hypergamy more or less provided for by the majority of men who adopted this strategy. In an evolutionary sense, protection and provisioning are already an integral part of the male mental firmware. But all of that went out the window after the Sexual Revolution, unilaterally female-controlled hormonal birth control and the socio-sexual/socioeconomic landscape that sprang from the Fempowerment narrative.
Today there is a radical imbalance between the old social contract upon which enforced monogamy was a key element and the new social contract dictated by a gynocratic social order that places women’s sexual strategy well above that of men’s. So it’s small wonder that men would revert back to 80% of low SMV men insisting on, and shaming, the 20% of high SMV men comply with a sexual strategy that women readily confirm isn’t in their best interests.
On the male side of the strategic equation a majority of low SMV men cannot afford to have Alpha men playing by the rules of polygyny.
That polygyny is really a form of female-directed polyandry (see last week’s essay), but to the 20% of men who enjoy the benefits of falling on the enthusiastic consent side of Hypergamy it just makes sense to go with it. As such, low SMV men are compelled to find ways of discouraging these Alphas from following their r selected sexual strategy. They realize women will want, and pursue, Alphas. And in a polyandrous socio-sexual order based on the Alpha Fucks side of Hypergamy low SMV men drew the shortest straw.
Intrasexual Combat
When Beta men shame women for wanting to fuck Alpha men it has the effect of making those Beta men seem more insecure. In a feminine-primary social order one of the highest crimes is to attempt to challenge Hypergamy in any way. Even in a religious context, to challenge Hypergamy is to be guilty of repressing women’s sexuality. Today, just this impression is conflated with ‘toxic’ masculinity.
In truth, it would never occur to most low SMV men to shame women for their sexual strategy because they know that in doing so they reduce their own chances of reproduction. Women simply deem them ‘losers’ in the SMP (sexual marketplace). They become scolds, or worse, they become men who are “insecure in their masculinity” because they confirm their low SMV status in doing so. In today’s socio-sexual environment men policing women’s Hypergamy is a lost cause.
The solution then becomes an effort to disqualify the Alpha men they compete with by changing the rules that “real men” are supposed to play by. If you can’t win the Game, change the rules to better fit your strengths.
The ‘Real Man®‘ becomes the guy who exclusively invests himself in one ‘Quality Woman‘ – just like they do.
The apex of masculinity becomes whatever definition best aligns with what they believe they represent.
The’Real Man®‘ is the guy who best fulfills a woman’s, often duplicitous, sexual/life strategy by adopting the K mating strategy of socially/religiously enforced monogamy – just like they do. Oh, and the Quality Woman becomes whatever woman whose necessity compels her to agree with and adopt that strategy (Epiphany Phase).
The Real Man®‘ is the guy who plays by the old social contract rules of enforced monogamy, so more Betas might have a better shot at reproduction. True ‘Manhood‘ becomes a title Betas now feel qualified to bestow on other men; just as women also do with men who help complete their Hypergamous life-strategies.
Trads vs. The Playboy Lifestyle
In order for Beta men to effect this reigning in of the Alpha men women want to tame and breed with, the high SMV man must be demonized and disqualified from the SMP for following his sexual/biological imperatives. The most common way to do this is by conflating his strategy with a degenerate hedonism. he must be made to seem as if he’s not in control of his sexual nature. So the effort becomes one of building an archetype around the ‘Playah‘ – A man who would be a bad long term bet for women’s Hypergamy because he lacks self-control. For this straw man character his little head does the thinking for the big head making him unreliable as a prospect for parental investment.
If enforced monogamy defines the accepted SMP, and women are presumed to be coequal, co-rational participants in it the ‘Playah’ needs to be cast as the outsider. The latent message is the same intrasexual combat method women use with ‘slut shaming‘; the ‘Playah‘ is a bad bet for long term security even if he is the guy women want to fuck.
However, that Playboy is a cruel reminder to low SMV men that they’ll never be able to fully exercise their own masculine imperative – unlimited access to unlimited sexuality. The closest the majority of men will ever get to this is online porn; which of course is why it’s so popular. There is a reason why 68% of Christian men watch porn. They understand that it’s the only viable substitute for their sexual imperative that they’re likely to experience in this lifetime.
While MRAs and MGTOW tend to reserve a special hate for ‘Playahs‘, it’s the Trad-Con mindset that is the most vocal against the Playboy lifestyle. There’s an overarching need amongst Trads to confirm their ego-investment in locking themselves into enforced monogamy.
There’s two complications to this:
First, Trad men (and women) tend to superimpose their religious and social belief set on their own sexual strategy. It’s a sin if they don’t accept monogamy as the standard. Today, this belief is a vestige of the old buffers that used to guard against either sex getting too far into their primal sexual impulses and strategies. It’s much easier to impose your sexual strategy on other men, effectively policing their strategy, if it’s ‘God’s Will’ that everyone behave according to that old social contract. I should add that this is the primary reason most Trad men suffer the worst from having their belief in the old set of books destroyed by Red Pill truths. It is galling for men who’ve invested their whole lives in the old social contract to have it vividly disproved by ‘Playahs’ (and women’s behaviors that confirm it) who understand the new social contract well enough to make it work for them.
Second, there’s the self-fulfilling idea that a man who opts for the traditional monogamous lifestyle is in some way more progressive or evolved, or life-satisfied than the ‘Playah‘ with the option to enjoy his non-exclusive sexual strategy. These are the guys who play up the ‘sour grapes’ Law of Power:
Law 36 – Disdain the things you cannot have
If there is something you want but cannot have, show contempt for it. The less interest you reveal, the more superior you seem.
MRAs and Trads alike don’t like being reminded that sex has always been an integral part of a healthy life experience for the majority of men who’ve ever lived on this planet. However, to them, sex is almost always a reward for desired behavior that they believe women expect of them. For most of them sex is always transactional so they never live out any frame of reference of having sex with a woman in a validational sense. It’s likely that they will never experience sex in any other context than the transactional. This is simply one of the visceral realities of a Darwinian sexual marketplace. As such, this pretext colors all of their understanding about what is, or should be accepted as, a legitimate sexual strategy – which unsurprisingly is his enforced monogamy strategy.
“Meaningful” Sex
The low SMV majority have many contrivances to corral uncooperative Alphas to adopt their sexual strategy. However, there’s also an involved necessity to convince themselves that their Blue Pill conditioning is the best sexual strategy that would benefit everyone if we’d all just see the validity of it as they do. To effect this they apply a subjective “meaningfulness” to their enforced monogamy (K selection) and “meaninglessness” to pursuing men’s biological imperatives (r selection) or the Alpha sexual strategy.
As a result, low SMV men tend to deemphasize the importance of sex in life. I asked this in the introduction; why is there a perception that a man who enjoys many women is somehow having sex that is less ‘meaningful’ than a man whose sex live is dependent on his relationship with one woman – or, a man who is ostensibly celibate?
The tactic involved here is the control over what constitutes meaning in sex. Low SMV men need this control to direct a meta-Frame that foments their sexual strategy; sex is only valid if it’s ‘meaningful’ in a way that aligns with an enforced monogamy sexual strategy. Thus, they can disqualify high-SMV men by delegitimizing his sexual experience. The higher the notch count, the less meaningful the sexual experience – and the likelier he can be seeen as “obsessed‘ with (meaningless) sex.
“Meaning” is deliberately ambiguous to better salve the egos of low SMV men, but meaning only aligns with what better promotes the enforced monogamy strategy. This strategy conflict actually serves Hypergamy in the long run as well. Women will endorse the importance of meaningful sex since it helps to convince the r selected Alphas that they should (eventually) shift to K selected commitment and parental investment with them. To the Beta moralist, any sex that doesn’t implicitly lead to marriage, children and the formation of families it’s always ‘meaningless’.
For the less moralistic low SMV man the idea that sex is something easily had, something inherently cheap, serves in devaluing Alpha men’s sexual experience. A popular idea among MRAs is that meaningless sex is something any guy can realistically achieve in a random club on a Friday night. This also serves to debase the value of learning Game; something MRAs never seem to have any facility with. By unrealistically cheapening the process of Game the same ‘meaninglessness’ imperative is created.
If any guy can find a worthless club slut with minimal effort then the low SMV man can raise his value by appearing to have higher standards than to lower himself to doing so. See how that works? This is a variation of the ‘sour grapes’ strategy I mentioned earlier. The Alpha who can easily get women becomes common. And by enjoying what Beta men believe should be a common sexual experience that man is reducing himself to his baser instincts. They say he’s “obsessed with pussy” or a “pussy beggar” because he’s applied himself to learning, in the most marginal way, how to have sex on his terms. And if he plays by a rule set that doesn’t align with the “correct” rules all his efforts become “meaningless”.
I should add here that MRAs and some Trad-Con men also like to foment the idea that because they eschew all that easily-had “meaningless” sex that Alpha men and Low Quality women are engaging it frees him up to pursue more esoteric, philosophical and creatively productive pursuits. Again, this helps to boost their esteem while presenting the appearance of uniqueness in spite of the fact that few of them ever have anything concrete to show for it. Along these lines they also love to imply that famous celibate men of antiquity were somehow more accomplished because they had the forbearance of mind to understand sex was a hindrance. When no one believes you aren’t making your necessity a virtue it’s sometimes necessary to paint men more famous than you with the same false-virtues.
The common refrain is that they’ve reached some Nirvana state of higher purpose or that they’ve evolved above the common need for sex. They shame the Alpha’s intelligence by claiming they allow their sexual nature to dictate to their rational nature. This too is a sexual quality signaling (or they believe it should be). They hope that their coequal, co-rational, Quality women will respond to it because they presume they’re using the same enforced monogamy rule book. Most Beta moralists are egalitarian blank-slate equalists. If they are evolved above their sexuality, then evolved, rational women should be too – but only if they are quality.

@Sentient Actresses, “real” models, singers, dancers, sorority girls = empty social status. You gotta actually see her, then you give a rank. “Well she’s been featured on this cover and this cover and and…” “ok let me see her. Hmmm HB7”. http://cdn.sixthman.net/2018/pitbull/images/artists/3901.jpg Becky G. I can list at least 20 girls, she’s (a singer aka 8 according to you) hotter than currently on Wilhelmina’s front page. The sorority tourist girl I banged in Costa Rica, I previously mentioned when we discussed this topic a while back, looks like Becky G. So she’d be hotter than those girls too. No clue… Read more »
Do you like a.woman with a high paying job and lots of cash and many degrees as well? a broad’s degrees mean shit to me, but if I wanted to live with a broad, a high income would be better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick That’s a point I made earlier, that media dictates what beauty is for a lot of people. I say men should determine for themselves. Bullshit. Playboy centerfolds were ALWAYS hot. Ditto sports illustrated swimsuit issue models. And calendar models. They marketed to men. But fashion models are aimed at women… Read more »
” . . . models are aimed at women and are often plain.”
Fashion models are not the product, they are part of the display of the product. The sellers want women who can be “dressed” to taste. Plain women are the best base for a created image. A blank canvas you paint anything on.
What you see at an haute couture show is all paint, pins and duct tape. Even the clothes are actually fake. “Artists concepts.” If you want to buy something they have to be redesigned into something that can actually be worn.
@Blax – A PUA who puts women on a pedestal is not going to pick up women. It’s axiomatic, and hence he’s no longer a PUA, he’s a pussy-worshipper trying to trick girls into fucking him. This is where many PUAs end up with a focus on “routines” and learned technique. And while they may get a bang here or there, it will be hard work for them, and over time they will turn on themselves because they have to face the truth if they are trying to pick up women. Take Roosh. He threw away a good career to… Read more »
@Palma – You think you are more sophisticated than you are. Guess what? We all got your point, and fucking yawned. Try reading. You didn’t care, you treated her like shit and kicked her to the curb, proving what a man you are. Point made. Not impressed. Carry on. And try and get that you aren’t that complicated to understand. My point was more esoteric. Woman is already at my house – you must have wanted her there for some reason, or did she wander in off the street like a stray? So axiomatically, in your shoes, I care if… Read more »
@ASD – You don’t get how you come across. People pity you here, we laugh at you – hard. In the real world, you are nobody. Everyone here gets that. But this place means so much to you, it’s cruel to point it out. But the truth is that you reek of desperation to be relevant and matter, it’s really hard to watch. Then you lash out with some idiotic vein of arch commentary, struggling “to be right” any cost. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over…It’s pathetic. You are in your mid70s, you should finally grow the… Read more »
http://cdn.sixthman.net/2018/pitbull/images/artists/3901.jpg Laughing My Ass Off. Nah. ” ya can’t force someone to be attracted to someone’s else’s preferences.“ Hmmmmm… now where have I heard this before? I get why guys like the whole HB thing, but I give less than zero shits about it, because it will be subjective ( I know you don’t agree Sentient..) for each man, UNLESS he is just a rando follower type. I remember when this here was just all the rage – But even as a child I was like ” why is everyone saying she’s so beautiful and that I have to agree… Read more »
“What you see at an haute couture show is all paint, pins and duct tape. Even the clothes are actually fake. “Artists concepts.” If you want to buy something they have to be redesigned into something that can actually be worn.”
HEY!!!!!!!! Who let all of this reality in here!!??!!??
” why is everyone saying she’s so beautiful . . .”
I remember everyone saying she’s all the rage, but I remember people wondering why when there were beautiful women around. I can’t recall anyone who thought she was.
Sex Art Females and being male
@scribblerg wow You are on fire! You destroyed Roosh and I agree somehow. He has some valuable insights about the dating market and he’s a funny guy. I just can’t stand his late conspiracy theory bullshit and talking shit about the Jews. Heartiste is also hit and miss! I wonder if he is getting paid for serving as a mouthpiece for Trump. Also the comment section at Chateau is full of retards. Rollo is the most legit red piller imo. People ignore that Mystery was a tall, good looking man and his “game” might not work at all for a… Read more »
” People ignore that Mystery was a tall, good looking man and his “game” might not work at all for a guy who is bald, short and fat.”

@Palma “She crossed a line”. 2 years ago, there was this super hot girl high on molly, that slapped me hard across the face (forgot the reason lol) in front of people in the club. yeah I could have reacted butthurt and left because she “crossed a line” by disrespecting me. Or slapped her in the face in return like, “how dare you slap me!!!” But I interpreted it as a test. Her just signalling to me that she wants to be dominated. And I did. Took her home, fucked her while slapping her across the face hard multiple times,… Read more »
At a certain age and experience level, you just don’t want/need to deal with any woman you don’t want to deal with, particularly when they get just a little too full of themselves because you realize ” Hey, I don’t need her for anything at all, including getting laid. I think it’s a little inconceivable to most young guys that a man would eject a woman from his presence and forgo sex because guys aren’t ready to ” lose ” by operating fully in their own frames. It really isn’t about her at the end of the day. Palma is… Read more »
Now, enjoy this colorful butterfly.
http://clipart-library.com/image_gallery/211777.jpg
@kfg ” . . . models are aimed at women and are often plain.” Fashion models are not the product, they are part of the display of the product. The sellers want women who can be “dressed” to taste. Plain women are the best base for a created image. A blank canvas you paint anything on. What you see at an haute couture show is all paint, pins and duct tape. Even the clothes are actually fake. “Artists concepts.” If you want to buy something they have to be redesigned into something that can actually be worn.” Fashion designers are… Read more »
Why do I bother? Now we have Onder telling me – with a fucking N in the hundreds, with many, many hotties notched that I can’t tell the difference between hot or not because of marketing or instagram or makup or whatever BS.
This comment section sucks. Do better, you fucking faggots.
@scribs
“telling me I can’t tell the difference between hot or not”
Nah. What we’re saying is what YOU find hot, may not be what someone else thinks is “hot.” Chill….its all good fun lol. All were doing here is arguing about retarded shit because our lives are all good lol. Congrats on banging them hotties, bro!
J i love you dawg but you love them ugly bitches….. like when you posted that 6 saying she was your perfect 10…………………….. lol beauties in the eye of the nah………. lol
@mers
❤️
lol
By the way I was slapped across the face That’s very cool. I’ve never been slapped although a bird once told me that a girl would probably slap me if I was so handsy with her so soon after meeting her. I knew that my game was tight that night. XD It was nothing to do with proving what a man I am. Projecting? I’m preparing a proper response to scrib. When you’re exposed to what’s actually between their ears, there are some of them that you really don’t want at any level if you have anything about yourself. Indeed,… Read more »
So sensitive, scrib? Getting aggressive to cover up your insecurity? I told you years ago that you needed to do the hard work and erase those childhood tapes from your mind. Game won’t do that for you. Notches won’t do that for you.
@ASDGamer
upload some videos of you dancing bro… wanna see them killer moves
Rollo in the OP: I should add here that MRAs and some Trad-Con men also like to foment the idea that because they eschew all that easily-had “meaningless” sex that Alpha men and Low Quality women are engaging it frees him up to pursue more esoteric, philosophical and creatively productive pursuits. Again, this helps to boost their esteem while presenting the appearance of uniqueness in spite of the fact that few of them ever have anything concrete to show for it. Along these lines they also love to imply that famous celibate men of antiquity were somehow more accomplished because… Read more »
@Anom “Most of the men who point at genius aren’t genius, and real genius can be pretty odd – Newton invented calculus, discovered laws of motion, also lived with his mother until he was about 50.” This is a damaging cliche in my opinion which isolates intellectuals from the rest of society. Intellectuals – though some have their quirks as we all do – require the same things to be healthy as anyone else for the most part. Newton is perhaps a bad example because most of his theory has become redundant relatively quickly. But even he said that he… Read more »
@Palmasailor
A person who defends the notion of a woman’s inalienable virtue (regardless of her actions) is a supplicant. Scribblerg is an adequate fit for this definition.
A thought that should have crossed Scribblerg’s mind: It’s easier to say yes, than it is to say no.
With everything set up the way it was in your recollection. How could anyone say no, unless they were forced to?
Calendars aimed at men…motorcycles, guns…there’s no male market for higher education calendars…but there is for women
“Calendars aimed at men…motorcycles, guns…” .. women
I am a former playa, current trad. I think the problem is the end game. Although I had a lot of fun in my younger years, there is a time you think of having children and spending your last years. After having a N superior to 50 (I lost the count), I married at the age of 48 (six months ago) with a woman 20 years my junior, very devout, very religious, very in love with me. I didn’t see myself at 60 trying to pick up girls in a bar. Of course, playas would love total freedom for sex… Read more »
(I have to add that I don’t live in the United States. Culture is important)
You get it, Blaximus gets it, and Gamer appears to. Damning with faint praise–haha (I had to tickle myself). Where the fuck have you been? I’ve been in the lead about men enforcing their boundaries with women. Enforcing your boundaries means that you will often give broads the cold shoulder if they are disrespectful. If broads are just shit-testing you, that’s a different situation. Of course, I’ve made the point that you don’t have to be vitriolic or cold to enforce your boundaries–you can do it with grace and humor. That’s a DHV, but you don’t do it because it’s… Read more »
At a certain age and experience level, you just don’t want/need to deal with any woman you don’t want to deal with, particularly when they get just a little too full of themselves because you realize ” Hey, I don’t need her for anything at all, including getting laid. This is it. Every woman is capable of generating a level of BS, as the ever quote worthy Churchill would say, ‘up with which you will not put’. Thinking that such a woman must be dominated at this point rather than discarded is actually to fall into her frame. I learned… Read more »
It’s a legitimate approach to survival and trying to AMOG other men including incrementally slagging at my mate in each of his replies is his way of validating and surviving this approach. That’s OK, I can cut him some slack there. Wrong approach. Scribs was whinging at me years ago when I told him that he could game his female relatives, including his daughter. He hamstered that there were psychological issues I didn’t understand. Nobody supported me. Regulars were MIA. Scribs ultimately successfully gamed his female relatives and deserves props for that. Scribs acknowledged that he was hamstering about the… Read more »
“Thinking that such a woman must be dominated at this point rather than discarded is actually to fall into her frame.”
I’ve triped over on this badly. It’s easy to detach if it’s any girl.
What do you do if you’re tied to a woman, ex with kid?
Or wife etc..
“I told him that he could game his female relatives, including his daughter. ”
LOL
wtf man ..this is too cringe worthy and kinda incestuous.
Also hate the word “game”… so cheesy.
I propose a petition in the manosphere to replace it with another term.
“..this is too cringe worthy and kinda incestuous.”
That’s because you only associate game with getting laid. It isn’t. It’s about getting what you want.
And you can be damned sure your daughter is gaming you. 5 year olds are absolutely ruthless about it, and if you ain’t the player, you’re the played.
“I can’t imagine being reduced to the point where I’d want to even things up by slapping a woman around and pissing on her” Reduced??? Lmao. She was a masochist. She loved this fucking shit. My Secret Garden Room 4: Pain and Masochism “There were some priest who used the cane as punishment for young girls after confessions. the girl was made to undress and lie over the priest’s table, when he caned her bottom, afterward getting into bed with her, so that many young girls who fancied their particular priest simply went and lied in the confession, knowing what… Read more »
That’s because you only associate game with getting laid. It isn’t. It’s about getting what you want.
Think of game as nothing more than ‘the games people play’. It’s been around for centuries.
“It’s easy to detach if it’s any girl.
What do you do if you’re tied to a woman, ex with kid?
Or wife etc..”

@Student What do you do if you’re tied to a woman, ex with kid? Or wife etc.. Discard can be permanent, to any amount of time less than that, depending upon the will of the man and the woman’s actions to qualify/disqualify herself. It can be a physical seeing off, or a mental state. Sentient, probably Blaximus, and some others have explained how this works in practical terms more than once in these forums. I’ve internalized some of the lessons but not memorized exactly where seen well enough to direct you there specifically. If you keep studying here I expect… Read more »
Also hate the word “game”… so cheesy.
yeah, it’s associated with ‘playing’ and ‘fun’…so cheesy
Gaming the baby make her giggle and squeal (play games like peekaboo with her, throw her in the air, rock her, dance with her, etc.–causes tingles)…I make sure that the baby is looking at my face whenever I make her giggle and squeal…a crush develops change her diaper (comfort) feed her occasionally (provider game) Mrs. Gamer talks about me to the baby whenever I’m involved with doing something for the baby (Preselection) Result: The baby stares at you whenever you are around because she has a crush on you and she makes noises at you even when she is held… Read more »
@Lost Patrol
Very interesting.
How do other women respond to this detached state of mind?
Orson Man, you don’t have a half a clue what Game is.😂 Game improves your entire life. Getting laid just happens to fall into the ” life ” thing. Game has been around a very, very long time, before pua or the internet. The term has been hijacked, watered down and narrowly focused currently. What you hear out forth as Game,his not. I first started listening to guys explaining Game around 1971 or there about. Nobody spoke ever about anything like comfort, stacks, routines, lmr,😂😂😂 any of that. Put it this way, playing gears of war doesn’t make you a… Read more »
Oh, and remember this: 80% of men you’ll ever meet in life will have zero or very little game. Examples have always been scarce and pretenders numerous.
Thus endeth the lesson.
Re: ” tied ” to a woman.
A man is never tied to a woman or anything else unless he decides to be. I’ve been married 20 years, but I’m not tied to my wife. If I had that mentality, I’d never consider marriage because I wouldn’t have the right mindset..
You choose what to be tied to. Tying yourself to any other person is an awfully risky proposition.
@ Blaximus
Indeed what you say is true. Though I think that we do have a biological connection to our children which doesn’t just go away. But it is possible to live without being tied to them.
Sounds like you were brought up on iceburg slim or something
A biological connection isn’t being tied.
Society tries to set the conditions. I don’t follow that if it will be unbeneficial to me over the long haul. Tied denotes something negative imo, like you have no choice or options. I always have choice. I always have options. Without either, I’d rather be dead.
As far as iceberg slim, lol, nah. I was fully formed before I’d ever heard of him, and I have no love for pimps of any stripe.
No hate though, just not anything I admire or respect.
” My Secret Garden Room 4: Pain and Masochism”
No revelations in that dumb assed book.
lol.
Get some good, female friends that you aren’t fucking and you will learn shit that no one has ever put in any book yet.
Firsthand. That way it can’t be misconstrued or misunderstood, and you won’t ever find yourself in handcuffs charged with rape/assault because the fucking secret garden said they like this.
@Blaximus You utilise “Game” as an ill-defined, all-encompassing generic term. It’s meaningless! In the context of PUA some acknowledge it but most are oblivious to the fact that whatever “game” they run it worked because a Looks threshold was established and game was only a pushover to seal the deal. Looks mean everything. It’s women’s little dirty secret when it comes to Alpha Fux. Attraction is irrational and subconscious and women avoid to admit to themselves what is it that attracts them to not ruin the mystery of the mating game which will make it less enjoyable if you overanalyse… Read more »
@Orson
“They also lie to men because”… they’re just saying whatever the man wants to hear. Its called being polite. It’s what most people do
@Orson “Looks mean everything”. Nah. Good looks ain’t gonna do shit for you, if you got shit social skills. “whatever “game” they run it worked because a Looks threshold was established and game was only a pushover to seal the deal”. Yep Looks get your foot in the door, Game converts that foot in the door to sex. Via RooshVForum: “looks (whatever combination of height, dress sense, physicality, and facial aesthetics) are the primary consideration in social situations (a bar, a party, whatever) because without meeting that looks threshold all the dominance, self confidence etc in the world is, not… Read more »
@Blax
I ain’t finish this yet (I’m 37 minutes in) but I recommend you listen to this (and subscribe to this dudes channel):
3 Hour discussion on Real Power (absolutely destroys the street thugs’s illusion of power), Black Professional Players, networking (why being a lone wolf is stupid), fraternities, and alpha widows (so far). I think this dude is around the same age as you, so he talks about a lotta shit you talk about here.
Fascinating stuff
Orson
You’re barking up the wrong tree.
I use ” Game ” as it was meant upon it’s creation. It is only ill-defined to those who lack a grasp of the concept.
Stop ( unintentionally ) being insulting.
“looks (whatever combination of height, dress sense, physicality, and facial aesthetics) are the primary consideration in social situations (a bar, a party, whatever) because without meeting that looks threshold all the dominance, self confidence etc in the world is, not going to count for shit. Someone can have exceptionally good game (dominance, risk taking…etc), but if they’re an aspergers looking, fat, fedora wearer then they’re never going to get the chance to spit that game”. Lmao. ” Game ” has nothing to do with looks, self confidence or dominance. That description is talking about something outside of Game. You will… Read more »
Orson You utilise “Game” as an ill-defined, all-encompassing generic term. It’s meaningless! Wrong on both counts. You are still rather new here. Example: an older man buys a new car, in the process he lets the salesman run his game for a while about financing, then mentions it’s a cash sale…and what can the salesman do to make the deal better? When the game is done, the man has his car at discount for cash, plus free oil changes as long as he owns it. That’s one example of Game at work in a sense you don’t even begin to… Read more »
lol. salesmen HATE me. They usually call their ” manager ” on me…but he’s just another dude selling ” X “.
@AR You talking Game, in the context out outgaming the car saleman. Looks not required. We talking about Game, in the context of cold approaching women. If you saying there’s no difference, then you my friend are a keyboard jockey (a highly respected keyboard jockey). Telling my boy over here: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dvh0AQVU8AANoc2?format=jpg to “get your subcommunications up to a decent level” and be “dark triad” ain’t gonna him him land this honey: Better to tell him to lose the weight, groom, hygiene. ya know? so he passes that looks threshold we talking about? Then go hit the field and put in… Read more »
Lol. Thresholds.
Who imposes thresholds and why? What happens once you accept ” thresholds “?
And more importantly, what happens when you don’t?
… it can be hard. Very hard. People like others enough to value their opinions and bend themselves to those opinions. Blasting opinions….that shit ain’t for everybody evidently.
Lol. Nothing personal Jay. You my man and all, but we’ve been calling you Joe Camel for decades now.
Threshold?
and before somebody talks about money, she has as much if not more cash than he does, and was wealthy before they got together.
Jay cheated on her ( and admitted it ) and all she did was write some angry butthurt songs about it, before he put twins inside her.
How’d that ugly, old(er) guy pull that off?
“Who imposes thresholds and why?”
Reality.
“What happens once you accept ” thresholds “?”
You mean what happens when you choose to accept reality for what it is and not be bitter about it? You stand a better chance at getting what you want, rather than being delusional about it. that’s for sure.
“And more importantly, what happens when you don’t?”

“Who imposes thresholds and why?” Reality. “What happens once you accept ” thresholds “?” You mean what happens when you choose to accept reality for what it is and not be bitter about it? You stand a better chance at getting what you want, rather than being delusional about it. that’s for sure. Remember above where I said ” Who are you and what do you believe outside of what anyone else believes? That’s the very first step to Game. Understanding yourself and what you believe, and whether what you believe is real.” Reality. You have just made my point.… Read more »
Cold approach, my man. Cold approach. Approaching a random girl wherever you are, that has no clue who the fuck you is. That’s what we talking about.
We ain’t talking about social circle/status game here (Which is filled with countless examples of ugly niggas with beautiful broads). That’s a whole nother story.
Noooooo leave Jay-Z alone!!!!
social circle status….
Y’all too funny.
… first it was a mountain.
Musical interlude. Grab a snack.
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ui_Q4qBDJY&w=854&h=480%5D
Breathe in right away. Nothing seems to fill this place. I need this every time So take your lies, get off my case. Someday I will find A love that flows through me like this This will fall away, this will fall away. You’re getting closer To pushing me off of life’s little edge ‘Cause I’m a loser And sooner or later you know I’ll be dead You’re getting closer You’re holding the rope and I’m taking the fall ‘Cause I’m a loser, I’m a loser, yeah. This is getting old. I can’t break these chains that I hold My… Read more »
@Lost Patrol
@Student is likely actually a student,probably a queer Swede like Albert trying to get his degree. Consider your self a test subject or lab rat where student is concerned.
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcAmwCnAChk&w=854&h=480%5D
shit… one more time
@j “Nah. Good looks ain’t gonna do shit for you, if you got shit social skills.” Some good looking dudes get away with it. I know a tall handsome guy who has zero social skills, is very depressed and blue pill as fuck. He might not be a slayer but I see him all the time with good looking girlfriends. @AR “Maybe you could re-read Rollo’s OP and try to work up a comment about that, rather than this tedious whining?” Rollo has an even better post: https://therationalmale.com/2012/02/23/looks-count/ “14 – 24 years old: Looks are EVERYTHING” “25-30 years old: Looks… Read more »
Reality…looks…how you stand…your nonverbal subcommunications that reveal your entitlement due to status…explains why uglies like Kissinger get laid by movie stars like Jill St. John.
Of course, Game won’t give you minor celebrity status…oh, wait…
The Lion and The Tiger are more powerful,
But the Wolf never performs in the Circus.
“Cold approach, my man. Cold approach. Approaching a random girl wherever you are, that has no clue who the fuck you is. That’s what we talking about.” Cold approach, warm approach, dancing or no dancing, machts nichts. How you carry yourself will immediately tell girls lots about your value. Nonverbal communication. Your game includes how you walk, stand, whether you are nervous interacting with beautiful strangers, and whether or not you believe that you are entitled to female attention. Do you know yourself and your value as a man? Do you have an accurate perception of reality, including the reality… Read more »
Blax, I’m not talking about faking nonverbal communication, although it can be a useful crutch while you are figuring out your identity and reality. Once you have those things figured out, then your nonverbal communication will be authentic.
Roger that boulderhead.
The follow up questions/comments from the student confirm your analysis.
I get it, there are men who try to mask their little appeal. But one day you will decide to have children, you want your house to survive, to have a sons. Who will be available? Hundred times fucked women. I never got problem with women attention, but their souls are rottten. More sexual partners they have, more probably they will divorce with you. Only solution I see is not to marry and have children extra-marriage. And you have to accept, that mother of your children smoked lot of bananas. Nice family photos with such woman. I don’t blame attractive… Read more »
Alright, every man who wants to have sons and keep his blood alive. Not like Burger, who sees in eating-fucking-shopping-shitting his whole existence.
stupid question, but who the fuck is burger?
@Palmasailor No, I belong to foreign lower nobility. But still don’t want to mess up my lineage with crypto-hoes. That’s it.
“I don’t blame attractive men. At the end of the day, every men comes to harm” You have no idea. You know those old m50s+ male models pics @sentient is always putting up? Thats almost me. This friend of mine is 5’8 missing his front teeth with posts added(but they still get knocked off on a reg basis),his nose is flattened with a big bulge in the middle encircled by a scar from a trashcan lid frisbee. When we were in grade school he and his brothers would hide from the school bus behind a dumpster, the kids would make… Read more »
@Harry:
What you are looking for is not reproduction. You are looking for an estate.
@Palma
“He looks like he has – and does have – “survival genes”
Yes agreed,the protector vibe is there like silent Bob, that and potential for excitement or emotional stimulus.
My point is looks do matter just that it isn’t the size and shape so much as the utility.
” . . . he looks like he could rob a bank.” Apparently I look like I could rob a train or a casino. The funny thing is, when casino security rousted me for carrying I had actually stripped down completely; not even a belt or shoelaces. The show girls were more heavily armed than I was. They could have plucked a feather and tried to stab someone with it. But it seems I just looked so much like I must be carrying that they had to have a “chat” with me. ” . . . his nose is flattened… Read more »
“On the other hand I look like I’ve always gotten away with it clean.”
You are onto something here,the cat that ate the canary with no feathers protruding. Not the same as a Cheshire grin but close. Mirth is also smiling eyes.
On the other hand if a young man that lacks experience and lets it show ,much has been overcome by immense curiosity,yet another look.
kfg
Were you wearing the leather duster again?
“Were you wearing the leather duster again?”
It was only the waxed canvas one, I swear. Although it was black and can easily conceal a carbine, even worn open.
To be fair, I knew I’d be triggering them which is why I stripped down so thoroughly in the first place, but I expected I was just going to keep them from being bored by giving something to watch for a while.
IME casinos aren’t the best place to game unless you are a familiar face to security,gambling game excepted of course,still don’t be armed not even with a big knife concealed.
We have been to the security office before for a check, to many red bull and yagers and to much fun.
Those guys are trained for what doesn’t fit and winners don’t fit unless they see you win then it is a free room and meals ,drinks anything to get you to stay till your luck changes.
“famous celibate men of antiquity” – it is also possible that those famous people were simply lying about being celibate because that was trendy or cool or required by the society.
When the time comes that I suddenly disappear from here, it’ll probably be because I’ve run out of facepalms.
kfg
But it seems I just looked so much like I must be carrying that they had to have a “chat” with me.
That could be considered as a failure. Depending on what you were trying to do, of course…
When the time comes that I suddenly disappear from here, it’ll probably be because I’ve had enough Ahah moments. I’m pretty close.