Dangerous Times – Part 2

The fulfillment of your own sexuality is nothing less than your battle for existence. – Pook

If you’ve been wondering what I’ve been doing lately over the past week I took it upon myself to read through the 7,000 word short story “Cat Person” that’s recently gone viral. The author, 36 year old Kristen Roupenian, was also offered a one million dollar book deal to expand the story even further. You too can read the whole thing if you have the stomach, but it reads every bit like the passive-aggressive indirection I’d expected it would coming from a less-than Hypergamously satisfied woman who’s well past the Wall. Rather than craft a concrete article about her own inner conflict (and by association all women’s conflict) of having ‘inconvenient’ casual sex, she thought she wanted, we get an overwritten fiction that sock-puppets herself as the main character.

If this book does publish, trust me, it wont be a new 50 Shades of Grey. Cat Person  resonates with women today because we now live in the #MeToo era of moral panic inspired by the same Future is Female outrage brokers who brought us pink pussy knitted caps and the women’s march in the wake of Hillary Clinton’s defeat. I decided to split this series of essays into two parts because at this moment in history we are beginning to see the culmination of the predictions I alluded to in my essay, The Political is Personal. We are seeing, in real time, just how a feminine-primary social order and a growing female supremacism consolidates its power. But as I outlined in that essay, this power is always predicated on the hope of ensuring the largest pool of women are legally and socially entitled to the unquestioned, and unmerited, optimization of Hypergamy.

Any man with a Red Pill Lens reading through Cat Person will easily pick out the social conventions and rationalizations unique to women’s ‘hamstering’ (“Flirting with her customers was a habit she’d picked up back when she worked as a barista, and it helped with tips.”) that the manosphere has been picking apart for almost two decades now. And, like most women, the female readership find nothing inconsistent or conflicting about any of it. Roupenian breezes through the ins and outs of women’s sexual pluralism and the differences between transactional (Beta) and validational (Alpha) sex without so much as an afterthought – and her readers eat it up with the same solipsism.

However, the overarching concern for women about this story is the issue of the newly coined term “enthusiastic consent”. Our poor Margot (the main character and proxy for the author, and ultimately all women) is torn up by a casual sexual encounter that at first she thought she wanted, but later, even after giving the guy the green light to have sex with her, she loses enthusiasm to bang him. Yet, not to be rude or to create an uncomfortable scene, she goes through with the inconvenient, lack luster, sex because it was easier to say yes than to say no.

There are other names for this kind of sex: gray zone sex, in reference to that murky gray area of consent; begrudgingly consensual sex, because, you know, you don’t really want to do it but it’s probably easier to just get it over with; lukewarm sex, because you’re kind of “meh” about it; and, of course, bad sex, where the “bad” refers not to the perceived pleasure of it, but to the way you feel in the aftermath.

Essentially, this shift from Yes Means Yes consent to Enthusiastic Consent ask the last questions in women’s social consolidation of Hypergamy:

“Must I still have to have transactional sex with Betas if all my provisional needs are more or less met?”

“If I’m an ’empowered’ woman, am I not entitled to the sex I want to have with Alpha men that validate both my hindbrain and my ego?”

“Can transactional sex with Betas be used as leverage to extort resources from them at any future date by redefining that undesired sex as ‘rape’?”

Curb Your “Enthusiasm”

The reason I believe that Roupenian’s future book will fall flat is because the viral conversation her short story elicits is about a new terminology that the Feminine Imperative hopes to insert into the public sphere – that of ‘enthusiastic consent‘ being the only legitimate form of consent a woman can give a man. Anything less than genuine enthusiasm (however this is arbitrarily defined by women) is at best illegitimate consent and at worst rape – even if every indicator a woman gives a man prior to, during and after sex says ‘yes’ she still means ‘no’ and, as we’ll see here, it will be incumbent on that man to be an adequate mindreader and sexual evaluator to determine her real degree of ‘enthusiasm’ both in the moment and into the future.

There’s a lot to unpack here, but I wanted to begin with a comment I received last week:

If you read feminist literature, the intent behind “enthusiastic consent” seems to have good intentions. Its based on the following purported beliefs:

  • That there is a huge incidence of coerced sex and sexual contact, which is mostly inadvertent rather than malicious. The best way to correct this is to teach men the principles of EC. 
  • That the idea of a sharp Alpha/Beta divide in men’s sexual attractiveness is a myth propagated by the misogynistic Right. Furthermore, girls and women have a realistic idea of their own SMV and will be attracted to their male equivalent.

Thus, feminists believe a free sexual market will see assortive mating with both men and women being able to get a similar amount of sex. This is why when men complain of the difficulty of getting sex, many women will retort that it must be because they are only chasing “supermodels”.

Look at Charlie Rose, is this a man with any Red Pill at all? Giving shoulder rubs to office girls, showing porn to a couple, this is all high school Beta stuff. But he had a TV show that lots of famous people wanted to get on. Clearly Beta-ized, but a situational Alpha. In my not so humble opinion most of the #MeToo girls are going after former situational Alphas because they turned out to be Blue Pill Beta after all…they feel cheated, and are just so sure that all the other girls got to ride a real Alpha pony on the carousel, so the fury comes out.

The ‘enthusiastic’ consent social push we are just on the cusp of today is the next progression in the larger goal of feminism – removing all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality. ‘Enthusiastic consent’ will be the raison d’etat for the legislation leading to the outlawing of any form of male sexual expression.

From The Political is Personal:

The inherent insecurity that optimizing Hypergamy poses to women is so imperative, so all-consuming, to their psychological wellbeing that establishing complex social orders to facilitate that optimization were the first things women collectively constructed when they were (nominally) emancipated from men’s provisioning around the time of the sexual revolution.

Ensuring the optimization of women’s biologically prompted Hypergamy is literally the basis of our current social order. On a socio-political scale what we’re experiencing is legislation and cultural mandates that better facilitate Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks.

[…]As Open Hypergamy becomes more institutionalized and made a societal norm by the Feminine Imperative, and as more men become Red Pill aware (by effort or consequences) because of it, the more necessary it will become for a feminine-primary social order to legislate and mandate men comply with it.

As much as I’d like to believe that normalizing ‘enthusiastic consent’ may lead to women overplaying their hand, I have to consider how the specificity of defining consent will also redefine past sexual norms and intersexual dynamics; not just among single individuals having loosely defined “consensual” sex, but also married couples and how sex (or lack thereof) defines their relationships. As if the men of today needed one more reason to be wary of marriage and how it will eventually affect their sex lives, now we can add the potential for ‘marital rape’ accusations based on EC (enthusiastic consent) to that list; and all in light of women’s less than enthusiastic response to any of her husband’s advances. God forbid a mewling Beta pouts his way into this grey zone ‘duty sex’ with his unenthusiastic wife.

What were witnessing here is the insertion of college campus consent laws into Marriage 2.0, and as designed its intent is to further disrupt marriage and family. Even in the old books presumptions about marriage a man could expect his commitment to a wife and family meant a plenary exchange of sexual access. But when enthusiastic consent is a prerequisite for legitimizing sexual encounters, anything resembling a woman’s putting out duty sex for her husband, even starfish lack luster obligatory sex is defined as rape.

I got the following comment from last week’s Red Pill Reddit forum repost:

The fundamental driver is removal of female responsibility for her actions, pushing all responsibility onto men. Whatever happens between a man and a woman, women universally agree that the man is to blame for any and all results, including her subsequent regret.

Responsibility used to be on women to say “no” if she wanted to claim rape. This responsibility has been removed. No longer does she have to verbalise lack of consent. No longer does she even have to verbalise actual consent. She can decide after the fact…. years after the fact…. whether her consent was in fact enthusiastic enough, and she can base that on her future feelings. “But did you enthusiastically scream yes?” her friends will ask, which is more than the police or the public will subsequently ask of her.

Women side with women. Whiteknights, weak Betas and naive Blue Pill fools side with women. Everyone agrees women are right and men are wrong.

And this is the intended result: women are not to be held responsible for their actions. They are not to be held responsible at any cost – including the destruction of male lives.

I presented this point in Men and Suicide, but just to recap, on a subconscious level women will always seek to absolve themselves of complicity in men’s personal destruction. This extends from destroying mens lives due to regrets over not optimizing Hypergamy, to any concern over men committing suicide. At present, women are attempting to reconcile ‘bad sex’ with ‘inconvenient sex’ they have in spite of themselves. However, the same absolution of any inherent complicity in this ‘transactional’ sex ends with blaming men for women’s lack of agency or self-moderation:

Bad sex isn’t even necessarily coercive. I’m talking about having a sexual encounter you don’t want to have because in the moment it seems easier to get it over with than it would be to extricate yourself.

Young women say yes to sex they don’t actually want to have all of the time. Why? Because we condition young women to feel guilty if they change their mind. After all, you’ve already made it back to his place, or you’re already on the bed, or you’ve already taken off your clothes, or you’ve already said yes. Do you really want to have an awkward conversation about why you want to stop? What if it hurts his feelings? What if it ruins the relationship? What if you seem like a bitch?

The problem in this rationale isn’t about women changing their mind or feeling guilty – those are excuses for male-initiated victimhood for women and absolve women’s complicity – rather, the focus should be on the fact that women going through with this type of sex presently have the option to ruin a man’s life at any future date by defining it as ‘unwanted sex’. Ella Dawson may not want to conflate transactional, Beta sex as rape, but that’s where this conversation is leading us to.

Is it OK for Alpha Males?

I apologize for forgetting who it was that sent me this link, but the present day #MeToo moral panic combined with notions of “enthusiastic consent” and a resulting atmosphere of fear in intersexual dynamics was predicted as far back as 2004, and by a woman no less:

Sexual harassment is a crime committed by beta-males who think they can get away with alpha behavior. But that is a distinction too delicate for the blunt instrument of the law. How do you explain to a judge why one man’s comedy is another man’s bone-chilling lechery? And can we really expect the beta-males themselves to understand the difference?

I found this article very prescient about our present moral panic. In the last two posts I’ve made the case that what were finally seeing on a social scale is the consolidation of women’s entitlement to an almost socialistic guarantee of optimized Hypergamy. Through any number of direct and indirect institutions we’ve now virtually guaranteed women a right to Beta men’s resources, protection and provisioning as well as a dominant social status above them both at home and in the workplace. Whether overtly or covertly, women dominate Beta men; the last piece of consolidating Hypergamy is then the (at least partial) control of Alpha Fucks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/7kpmwa/dangerous_times_part_1/drhirym/

As we move into 2018 – an era to be defined even more thoroughly by the Future is Female, #MeToo and Enthusiastic Consent – I believe we’ll see a push for the following:

  • Sexual harassment will indeed be a crime committed by Beta males who fail at a convincing ‘Alpha’ behavior. As such the push will be to get Beta men to self-police their behavior via fear. There will be a doubling down on the part of Blue Pill White Knights and ‘Feminist Allies’ in the wake of the social and legal options women will have to be believed of men’s sexual misconduct allegations by default. Feminized men will “try harder” and rat out their rivals for any hint of misconduct in an Orwellian effort to be more appealing and identifying with women.
  • Only confident Alpha men, or men well versed in Game, will be allowed to approach women from a perspective of social acceptability. However, even then it will be a woman’s prerogative to later define that approach or subsequent interaction as harassment if that Alpha doesn’t comply with a woman’s long term security needs, provisioning and parental investment ‘entitlements’. The latent purpose of a suspension of the statutes of limitation for sexual harassment will center on locking down (perceptually) Alpha men in a long term relationship.
  • This new feminine-primary sexual paradigm will further limit Beta men’s sexual access and increase reproduction stress in the few Beta men who don’t pragmatically drop out of the sexual marketplace altogether. This will also reinforce boys/men’s conditioning of loathing their own gender. They will be taught to accept this feminine-primary sexual strategy, as well as the legal restrictions  on his power of choice and his life’s direction as the societal norm.
  • Legal mandates and societal mores will directly and indirectly ensure Beta men’s compliance in all aspects of parental investment in children he was not biologically responsible for, as well as women’s long term security.

Now, more than ever it is imperative that men become Red Pill awakened and see the writing on the wall with a Red Pill Lens. All of this may seem horribly unavoidable, but let me emphasize, it’s not for men who are aware of, and have internalized intersexual dynamics and can plan accordingly.

In the last installment of this series I’ll be delving into some of the larger socio-sexual implications of where we find ourselves today and where I see present day intersexual relations leading us in a larger scale as well as what Red Pill men can do to win at whats becoming a very dangerous game.

 

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

681 comments on “Dangerous Times – Part 2

  1. @FireInBlood
    “Next step, punitive castration”

    Nope. This is not about punishment. Enthusiastic consent may very well snag some men by the gills and they will be gutted and filleted sure enough, but this is incidental. A few heads on pikes at the gates is a nice touch, but the point isn’t to punish men or to cull the tax cattle into oblivion, but rather to prime the men into compliance, to inculcate the idea that being gelded tax cattle is the REWARD.

    This is about doubling-down on the massive transference of benefits to women while burdening men with the responsibilities. Nothing new there, except for the little bits about removing the variable of Time from the calculus and further compressing the Pareto.

    Its a death spiral, but we live in abundance (of men and resource) so this may take a while. We are just feeling the acceleration of the positive feedback loop, hence the doubling down.

    In the meantime, a few women will abuse this, whether they are clumsy or vindictive, it matters not. But most women will just keep on chasing their tingles, oblivious to their own enslavement. Most will even manage to stumble their way into some form of marriage even though their ideation of marriage is little more than a joint-venture in conspicuous consumption and status puffing.

    The path that led to Marriage 2.0 has them already convinced that it is better to be a consumer for the system than it is to be a producer of life, and to sign over their agency in exchange for their soma from the State.

    Serial “monogamy”, poly, practice marriages, serial cohabitation, and open hypergamy are cannibalizing marriage in the same way present feelz-based consumption is cannibalizing the future productivity of the next generation. But the illusion must be maintained.

    The “value” of Marriage, like idea that their BA in English is worth ($100k), must continue to be propped up. And for the Elysium bound, it indeed carries on, but for the rest it is running threadbare with the balance of the American Dream.

    Of course dissonance is rampant. And dissonance is dangerous. So anything that threatens a woman’s ability to self-delude, like the bitter truth or the burden of responsibility, must be channeled away from her. Or else she might just wake up. Thank moloch for smart phones!

    So the self-medicating, attention whoring, validation-seeking SIW Tindering away her best years must be given more rope. And in this era of nothing is ever truly deleted, the State must also give her more power to undo anything that might create psychic drag on her delusion. This now includes time traveling consent.

    This preemptively clears the way for her to continue to do stupid shit while further burdening males to self-select in/out of her path or just STFU and pay taxes, affording her a better view of that city in the clouds. Note view, not place.

    The intent is to incentivize self-castration, to enforce the pre-emptive subordination of male sexual strategy, and to pre-condition compliance to the irrational (feelz) driven female imperatives.

    It’s a meta-filter designed to absolve women of the responsibilities of mate selection. Because in the eyes of the State, mate selection is irrelevant, iow she’s already married to the State. Go ahead, pick any State run school in the district for your kids so you can feel good about being “empowered” in educating your kids.

    Generating fear is fine. Irrational, confusing, and paradoxical ROE’s are fine. In fact, this is how it gets beta males to self-select, be it opting out all the way or actually doing all of the work in order to (eventually) qualify for the tenuous position of beta bux. Rules that are adjudicated in the ether of female emotion but carry the full weight of the State are evil. The men who support, endorse, or otherwise enable them need to be ridiculed, shamed, and ultimately purged.

    Enthusiastic consent is a plug-in to patch the buggy OS of marriage 2.0 until marriage 2.0 is fully replaced by the State sanctioned alpha harem or whatever. In many ways we already have this, as played out on college campuses and in Tinderland, but until the State figures out how to convince beta men to keep producing a surplus without getting even the shit sammy that is marriage 2.0, we are stuck in the outer limits.

    Part of the problem is that women already own male productivity and provisioning, period. Well, the State does. But the State just has to keep men and women separated enough to maintain the marginal production/consumption game such that men keep producing enough surplus to hand over to women (to spend). But the old pond of beta-bux-in-waiting has been over-fished.

    Whether it is directly through marriage, indirectly through taxation and redistribution, residually (perpetually in some cases) through the family divorce courts, or protracted generational mandates (like ACA insurance coverage until age 26), there is no consent mechanism for what men bring to the table to exchange.

    The male contribution is presumed. (The fact that it is already spent is something for the economists to jerk off about). Just like male responsibility is presumed. Meanwhile, men never own a woman’s body or sexuality or fertility. The exchange is rigged, its baked in.

    Somewhere along the way, men gave up their natural right of consent to be governed. Everything else is downstream; the entire notion of consent has been twisted into a loaded question. When it starts to strain under the weight of its absurdity, they just twist it further.

    Layering qualitative verbiage onto the already broken premise of consent reinforces that the framing is not just wrong but unnatural and unjust. It wasn’t enough that consent presupposed the “fact” that it is owned by women and only borrowed by men, but now consent also presupposes that all sexual encounters are rape.

    The uni-directional power of consent wasn’t enough to hold-up the weight of the collective delusion, which requires an ever greater distance between female choice and female responsibility. All while our culture aims to amp-up the former and unplug from the latter. So they further attempt to “empower” women with post-facto situational and emotional qualifiers to “their” consent. A power that transcends space and time.

    Their consent amp goes to eleven. And the only push-back seems to be “why don’t you just make 10 the loudest?”

  2. Yeah, the dancing prompted the fight.

    My sheer stupidity, lack of calibration, drinking got me the DUI, arrest. I was strong Alpha offense, zero Alpha defense.

    I take cabs now. If I’d called a cab from the bar, waited I’d have avoided it.

    Water under the bridge, too much life yet to live.

    In retrospect, I’d been better off not looking for her which is the recommendation when your woman freaks out and flees.

  3. “‘Enthusiastic consent’ will be the raison d’etat for the legislation leading to the outlawing of any form of male sexual expression.”

    Maybe. Things have to go perfectly for them to bring this about, and the chances of perfection are very low. Even ‘yes means yes’ is only in some college kangaroo courts after implementation years ago. It’s good to discover the FI traps, but let’s not step in them before they’re sprung.

    Taking this too seriously, and with fear, leads to a breakdown in amused mastery, which is what the girls are begging for anyway. ASDgamer is right when he reminds us all this crap is just an enormous shit test. I’m not saying it’s not dangerous, but the correct response is not fear, it’s 1) staying out of the traps and 2) laughing / ignoring them. You’re saying at some point it will become impossible to ignore – maybe, but again, everything must go 100% perfect to get to that extreme, an unlikely outcome.

    Look at the jews who left Germany before WW2 when they saw the writing on the wall, like we do. After less than a decade, their greatest enemy was defeated, and they had a new country of Israel all to themselves.

  4. “Whether overtly or covertly, women dominate Beta men; the last piece of consolidating Hypergamy is then the (at least partial) control of Alpha Fucks.”

    alpha fucks cannot be controlled. women will resort to taking sperm from the alpha-trending natural sons of proven chads before they are legal adults. they will say it’s for their future well being i.ie. advanced gene therapy treatement or some shit but what they’ll really do is get that good spunk where it belongs. hypergamy always wins

    FR:

    ran into a hb6 for the first time in over a year. only met once. of course did not bang because hb6. didn’t remember each others’ names.

    what did she remember? a neg I hit her with. the exact one. i ddin’t remember my words but I believe her (did not bang this time either because now hb5.5 and +1 yr)

    neg the shit out of them. I can get the giggly middle finger “fuck you, asshole” on command these days. from ages 18-50. awalt

    “Roupenian breezes through the ins and outs of women’s sexual pluralism and the differences between transactional (Beta) and validational (Alpha) sex without so much as an afterthought – and her readers eat it up with the same solipsism.”

    they do indeed. from the mind of a modern hb6:

    “My ultimate goal is to find a friend with benefits who’s good with me dating guys because I do not sleep with the guys I date unless I foresee something developing. At that point when I find something obviously I would cut it off with a friend with benefits I’ve yet to find that friend but I’m definitely looking”

    lol. and then what, sweetie pie?

    “Would definitely like to still stay friends of course but the benefits would just be put to the Wayside”

    lol. of course they will.

    she failed the first step in the screening process but proved open to talking frankly about her fucking. she is able to get good hot chad sex only from married guys. claims she doesn’t find out until months later that they are married. lol.

    seems like a lot of chads are punching way below their weight way too often. they are fucking and having affairs with girls I won’t even let suck my cock. this means they aren’t drained enough, which means a lot of chads marry good solid hb8+s, but consistently fail to bang them out long term.

    married chads get frustrated and start slumming with chubby tinder hb5-6/7s, which makes these spunk rags think they are really 8+, which balloons their egos, which ruins all the fun. but not really because who gives a fuck how some 6 feels. or some 9.

    and it’s good for puas too because while married chad is chasing lower grade tinder skirt, his true hb8 wife is getting frustrated by the lack of good cock. and she is a much better target than the tinder6/7/8 because she’s probably only going to take one or two top secret lovers as opposed to the single slut getting pounded out in her shitty apartment by 4-8 different chads a month

    “Only confident Alpha men, or men well versed in Game, will be allowed to approach women from a perspective of social acceptability.”

    I can’t fucking believe what is considered socially acceptable these days.

    FR:

    midgrade hotel in large vacation city. indoor pool hot tub facility. soaking with wife.

    late 20s solid tight size 2 hourglass hb7.5, no tattoos, with a sexy fuck my stupid brains out vibe and her fucking late 40s big fake tits hb5 mom join.

    I open. they respond but stick to chatting with each other. bitchy vibe. I open again. introduce and it’s on. I seriously want to fuck the shit out of the daughter. so of course I ignore her completely and work on the attention whore mom. she’s seen it all and ain’t afraid to talk about it. took three solid negs to get the middle finger. serious slam piece in her teens and 20s. daughter keeps breaking in to try and up the mom with dirty stories. can’t. daughter does everything she can to show off the bod out of the water because mom is older and fatter. I don’t look once because i already know she is a total piece and I won’t validate

    more blah. I’m probing for ins. they’ll talk about anything. talk turns to me and wife. keep in mind these are complete strangers I met 20 min before and my wife is sitting right next to me

    slut mom: “what are you two doing here in town”

    me: “we’ve been in the room for three straight days just fucking”

    slut mom: “I can tell”. “so what do you do for work”

    me; “I don’t like work.”

    slut mom: “I can see that.” (looks at wifey). “so how’d you land her?”

    me: (barely detectable smirk)

    slut mom: “you got a really big dick, don’t you. yeah. that’s it”

    by ignoring the target but keeping the conversation sexual with a less attractive but still possible rival, I was able to provide notice to target that I have hb8 preselection as pure AF and that I can deliver for days

    it was nice to also discover that we are all from the same not too far away city. funny that. also funny how the mom managed to drop into convo how she could be found in said city, and how daughter took the chance to complain about her boring ltr guy who watches tons of sports

    yeah. that’s right. getting to daughter target thru slutty mom filter. i love this game.

  5. @EhIntellect

    Yeah, the dancing prompted the fight.

    My sheer stupidity, lack of calibration, drinking got me the DUI, arrest. I was strong Alpha offense, zero Alpha defense.

    I take cabs now. If I’d called a cab from the bar, waited I’d have avoided it.

    Water under the bridge, too much life yet to live.

    In retrospect, I’d been better off not looking for her which is the recommendation when your woman freaks out and flees.

    Sure sure, there are always things you can do better next time.

    Consider though that a few years ago, doing what you did, uncalibrated as it may have been, would have had zero negative consequences. No one would have thrown a fit, you wouldn’t have had all those SJW go after you.

    Note that you “take cabs now”.

    That’s what I mean. Its not that you can’t game at all, just throw in the towel and go MGTOW.

    You do have to take those precautions though.

    So pushing for a quick kiss on a new girl for example…in the past, that’s just you being a man. If it ends up she doesn’t like you and smacks you for your boldness, well that’s laughs all around and better luck next time.

    Nowadays that’d be sexual harassment and you could lose your job or have other negative consequences from that if the wrong people find out about it.

    You simply can’t be as carefree and just go out there and test boundaries like you could before — you have to “take cabs now”, so to speak. That’s all.

  6. Hank

    “You simply can’t be as carefree and just go out there and test boundaries like you could before — you have to “take cabs now”, so to speak. That’s all.”

    Pure keyboard jockeying. Check yourself.

  7. Rollo, in your many thought-provoking and stimulating discussions on intersexual politics, you seem to be omitting a very very very significant and powerful player. This is your true enemy, not useful idiot pawns that are women.

    Why has such irrationality/insanity that is the MeToo# movement been allowed to flourish, grain traction and instrumental in the fall of so many powerful men ? Do you seriously think women have gained such political power through their own will, organisation and merit ? You and your followers blame Beta males for handing the reins of power to them – yet Beta males are under the same yoke as these stupid women are, and serve the same master.

    Many commentors here talk about alleged past misconduct going back 20 or so years, as eomthing that magically appeared in the minds of women at her convenience. No doubt this is true in many instances. However, I have no doubt that some allegations have existed going way back, but not picked up by the powerful media and their even more powerful backers…until now, when there is a secret agenda to fulfill. That Tweeden women has been consistently complaining about Franken going way back when his alleged misconduct first took place ten years ago. Tweeden herself admitted that back then, no one listened and if they did, gave two hoots about it. Then all of a sudden, her allegations are taken so seriously to the point that a Senator was forced or pressured to resign. Think about it. Does this not scream pre-mediation and staging by the true powers that be ?

    The nefarious, sinister rise of the police state in your democracy (and mine too) is manifested in the relentless control of male thought and behaviour – and yet this is slated to the evils of women, and not to their true source. Of course, women are more easily brainwashed and controlled through psychologiical means and constructs such as Feminisim and Social Media.

    At the end of the day, you control the men if you control the women – and this has been going on since the dawn of man and civilisation. Please don’t be like the stupid pawns that women are, and identify and target your real, true enemy.

  8. Re: ” The law is not a shit test to be swatted. The law is a machine, a juggernaut. Thinking that being “alpha” will protect you from the law is utter foolishness ”

    Yes. That machine is a motherfucker that eats folks for breakfast.

    And yet, if you ever spend any time around ” The Law ” and drop fantasies, what you will find is that a majority of ” alphas ” do indeed get saved from the worst aspects of Teh lawz. This has always been so.

    Sure, some alpha types get made an example of, and some idiot badasses get mistaken for ” alpha ” by the general public, like trump..lol, but alphas manage to evade and avoid the law because they are alpha – people aren’t as inclined to fuck with them/press random charges and the like.

    Law enforcement loves easy going, law abiding citizens because they are like shooting fish in a barrel. The screws are put the hardest to the stupidest and the extremely law abiding when they get in a jam.

    No, there is not really much that can save you from the law at the end of the day, especially when the law rapidly become a police state. The trick is to stop it before it becomes tyrannical… but… nobody can see that until they come for your law abiding ass.

    Men sat silent, being good little beta fuckers, while the laws slowly escalated to the point that we are talking about right now. Being ” good ” is no longer a respite when shit goes this wrong.

    Welcome to the Real World, pull up a chair and take a seat.

    I believe that men who will not fight injustice and legal fuckery en mass deserve what they get from it. Men do not look to be ” protected ” from shit, men protect themselves – mainly because nobody but your Mom and family will ever give more of a damn about you than you give about yourself.

    My great grandfather used to say that ” If people keep messing with you and disrespecting you and treating you badly and unfairly, you need to examine yourself FIRST.”.

  9. “Welcome to the Real World, pull up a chair and take a seat.”
    http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/27/sex-around-the-world-an-indonesian-festival-of-sex-with-strangers-6829855/

    “Men do not look to be ” protected ” from shit, men protect themselves – mainly because nobody but your Mom and family will ever give more of a damn about you than you give about yourself.”
    https://www.ageofconsent.net/world

    As much pain as I’ve gone through which is nothing when death comes my mother still fits under this.

    “If people keep messing with you and disrespecting you and treating you badly and unfairly, you need to examine yourself FIRST.”
    It all starts with you… Respect for oneself is respect to another… That to me is a mental point of origin.
    http://www.nerve.com/love-sex/weirdest-sex-rituals-throught-the-world

  10. Razorwire
    Their consent amp goes to eleven. And the only push-back seems to be “why don’t you just make 10 the loudest?”

    Well, sure, for two reasons. First, we’ve all gotten a it numbed by the unending female demands for the last 20+ years, so 10 doesn’t seem that loud.

    Second, because few are antifragile enough to stand up to the Female Imperative ragemachine that is #MeeToo. Notice that most of the regulatory / lawfare tools that the pussyhat brigade could want are already in existence and in place, it’s just a matter of refining the trigger and tripwires. The innovation of #MeeToo is the use of media to name, and shame, and when possible fire or demand resignation. It’s not all that different from what the SJW’s have done in some tech environments, although most men either don’t know or don’t care about that stuff. Brandon Eich wasn’t convicted in any court of anything, but he still got forced out of Mozilla…even though he essentially founded that organization.

    The open questions before us: how far will this particular moral panic / warlock hunt go in the sense of reshaping culture & legal environments, and what will things look like afterwards.

    I’m stil of the half-baked opinion that the initial push against Weinstein was intended to distract attention away from other things. But it’s become clear at least to me that the radical feminists, especially the Baby Boomers, still feel hugely cheated by the 2016 election and that has fed their fury. IMO if Clinton had won we would have had a warlock hunt, but it would have looked a bit different. Because the push to make 80/20 into a social structure, featuring open hypergamy or some other form of polyandry to facilitate AF/BB then AF/BetaCucks has deep roots.

  11. “I believe that men who will not fight injustice and legal fuckery en mass deserve what they get from it.”

    why fight an unbeatable opponent? honor? lol. the legal system protects the worst (apex) predators because it is continuously updated by them to work in their favor, even retroactively if need be. the bluffdale data center is essentially a time machine. they can move through the data as if they were following threads in real time. I recognized long ago how fucking smart, ruthless and well positioned they were after hundreds of years of funding wars on both sides, drug running, frontrunning trades, stealing through inflation and currency manipulation and filling the world with disinformation

    the key then is to understand how they operate and mimic them to the best of your ability given your current position in life. basically, how far away from the “money” spigots are you?

    if you’re working for money, then you are far and will always be a slave. no matter what you do, they will be able to write legislation to take it from you as they see fit. if you don’t know a man who speaks legalese fluently, and who knows people inside the system who are authorized to make deals, then you will always be a slave succeptible to police state fuckery. the andrew mccabes of the world are the rule, not the exception. could you land your plane at phx when it’s 115 out and get a 30 min meeting with the acting attorney general? lol.

    “If people keep messing with you and disrespecting you and treating you badly and unfairly, you need to examine yourself FIRST.”

    great quote

  12. “if you’re working for money, then you are far and will always be a slave”

    Perfect.

    Money has little actual meaning. Ask the guys who’ve survived divorces, dead bedrooms, faced death. It’s a tool at best, a distraction otherwise.

  13. Regarding the Blue Pill Professor post, I agree with his call to action. From all I’ve read on RP, it seems like a solid outline for self-respect, better interactions with women, and behavior of which you can be proud.
    The easier-said-than-done in some cases is to indoctrinate your buddies.

  14. EhIntellect
    ““I got mine” is not a serious response to the #MeeToo warlock hunt. Paging Pastor Neimoller…”

    Sorry you missed my point Mr. Never FR.

    Oh, ok. What was your point?

    I’m doing what I can and a good example is a good start.

    I agree with that and will cosign. Now, what’s next?

    Where’s yours? What’s your battle plan, commander?

    When I drive on the freeway, I don’t stare at the pavement right off the end of the hood at what is in front of me right now, instead I look as far down the road as I can see, in order to avoid surprises and plan my next move in advance.

    We all need to teach other men. Handing out copies of Rollo’s books is one easy way to do this. Pushing back against the attempts to expand “Yes means Yes until it doesn’t” is another,
    because of girls like this and the White Knights who are always eager to appease them.

    http://static1.squarespace.com/static/547e507fe4b0c3afcacef95a/t/553544cbe4b0b546116be407/1429554387137/

  15. Moreover, I’m with fleezer that the SMP is easily navagable. His FR is spot on.

    He’s being Alpha, not micromanaging his persona.

    I don’t need to know all the internals of a car to drive it well.

  16. “I don’t need to know all the internals of a car to drive it well.”

    and as long as you’re not going 300 mph on the salt flats, learning how to drive one car pretty well means you can drive any factory spec rental equally as well. and research has shown that the more hours behind the wheel a new driver gets, especially at night, the better that new driver will perform once he has his license.

    hit it early and often, especially booty calls

    women are just like cars. basically the same, with minor differences in responsiveness, handling, etc.

    and being able to drive a manual still gets pussies a little wet these days. especially if you can juggle a blowjob and a bowl while shifting.

    all the shit that girls like, including the male glutes, is directly related to how useful he will be to her. if you can drive, shift, smoke and geet sucked at the same time, she knows you can bring down the fast game on the open steppe

    competence makes us feel good only because it makes them feel good first

  17. @blax

    Men sat silent, being good little beta fuckers, while the laws slowly escalated to the point that we are talking about right now. Being ” good ” is no longer a respite when shit goes this wrong.

    Glad we can agree right out of the gate here.

    Thing is, as you note:

    And yet, if you ever spend any time around ” The Law ” and drop fantasies, what you will find is that a majority of ” alphas ” do indeed get saved from the worst aspects of Teh lawz. This has always been so.

    How do guys get to be alphas however? What if they get locked up long before they can become alpha?

    That’s the situation. The laws closing in a choking out the opportunities to test one’s self and grow as a man.

    You OMGs like to throw out being “afriad” at any hesitation to act — when it is really just being cautious. If you are going out hiking, and hear it may snow, you pack extra gear and rations just in case you get stuck out there.

    Saying “ahh fuck it. I am fearless dude. I am just going to go out there with no preparation or consideration of the situation.” is how you end up dying a stupid and easily preventable death.

    There is a big difference between being courageous and being an idiot, and it comes down to taking calculated risks versus just risks.

    I’ll close with another story to illustrate my point. A couple years ago a high school kid decided it would be funny to go streaking during a football game. Just a teenager acting up — give him detention. Well this school cracked down on him and he ended up being registered as a sex offender. That completely fucked up his life, it would have effected where he could live, the jobs he could get…all that just for being a silly kid.

    Of course, the kid killed himself, so he never had to go through with all that.

    It goes to show what a different world it is out there now.

    That doesn’t mean you curl up and die, but it does mean you have to adjust to the new circumstances, just as you would in a changing job market, or a recession, or if you traveled to a new country. You just have to adapt. Like Kevin Spacey.

    https://pics.me.me/when-you-get-busted-for-being-a-paedophile-so-you-28686834.png

    lol

  18. “You OMGs like to throw out being “afriad” at any hesitation to act — when it is really just being cautious. If you are going out hiking, and hear it may snow, you pack extra gear and rations just in case you get stuck out there.”

    this is why you fail.

    I never bring extra gear. I despise extra gear. my suit and pack are dialed in where I want them and I don’t require extra rations because I’m not a toddler.

    I will never get stuck anywhere. I have a compass and topo maps. and people always know where I am so if I get fucked up and can’t make it back they will come looking quickly

    your fear causes you to overpack. girls are like veteran thru hikers. you don’t have to say a word and they already know you’re afraid simply by the extra things you’ve chosen to bring with you

    the smp requires no gear, no pack and no rations.

  19. @ SJF

    Not all art, music, literature is created equal.

    Hence the OK CUPID 22 y.o. preference poll results.

    We agree what beauty is more than what it isn’t.

    Mattress girl is no Venus.

  20. “I’ll close with another story to illustrate my point. A couple years ago a high school kid decided it would be funny to go streaking during a football game. Just a teenager acting up — give him detention. Well this school cracked down on him and he ended up being registered as a sex offender. That completely fucked up his life, it would have effected where he could live, the jobs he could get…all that just for being a silly kid.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZJOaM3qvpU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wto2FHzv1TU

  21. Wow, how do you leave the house if you’re so afraid of being locked up?

    I can’t speak for any of the other guys, but ((( I ))) throw the word ” afraid ” in your general direction because I can read it in your typed words. Fear. ” what if?…what if?…” that’s fear talking loud and clear.

    Hesitation is no longer hesitant once you completely stop moving.

    Oh, and I’ve never had an urge to ” streak “, so there’s that.

    And for the record, yup – I am a fearless dude because ” fear ” doesn’t serve any purpose at all in my life. I am thoughtful, and somewhat cautious, but I’m not really big on thinking of the worse possible outcomes that might occur because in all of my life, they never have.

    Fear.

    Listen son, the worse thing that can possible happen to you is that you manage to get yourself killed somehow. Everything else ( mostly..) can be dealt with. You saying ” how do guys get to be alpha however ? ” – through learned understanding and internalized force of will. Caution: If you’re playing or faking, some bad shit might befall you. Baptism by fucking fire for a majority.

    You seem to equate ” Alpha ” with wild and crazy dumb shit. No, people that constantly do wild and crazy dumb shit eventually run out of road ( or up against the law ). Experience is the very best of teachers but if you are concerned with what will happen to you all the time, just forget about it and take up knitting or some shit… but watch those pointy assed needles.

    Caution is fine by degrees. Too much caution is a hindrance in life. Men are built to test and be tested, and learn from the experience.

    But what if aliens come down here and blast my ass with a death beam? I guess that’ll learn me!

  22. Hank

    “What if they get locked up long before they can become alpha?”

    Gee Hank, ya think maybe getting locked up might bring out some Alpha?

  23. “your fear causes you to overpack. ”

    Truth. Huge beta tell is over analysis, what if planning etc.

    The fear is in being blamed for not being equipped. Not even in whatever it is failing. Fear of blame.

    Pathetic.

  24. “what if aliens come down here and blast my ass with a death beam?”

    lol

    my variation to my son… he hates it but it serves as a reminder when he’s looking for excuses: “but what about ufos with lasers? hadn’t thought of that, might as well not even try”

  25. “your fear causes you to overpack. girls are like veteran thru hikers. you don’t have to say a word and they already know you’re afraid simply by the extra things you’ve chosen to bring with you

    the smp requires no gear, no pack and no rations.”

    Holy hell that’s spot on

    “through learned understanding and internalized force of will.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O17j94YBCg

    ” Men are built to test and be tested, and learn from the experience.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUHWsqrVWxI

    ( Caution: If you’re playing or faking, some bad shit might befall you. Baptism by fucking fire for a majority.)

  26. Hank,

    No one confuses me with fearless, but here goes.

    When my wife was being dragged away, me rolling with tbe two fuckers I wasn’t fearful. I was figuring out, analyzing something I’d never experienced before I made any decisive move.

    It wasn’t decisive Alpha by any means. Not fear though.

    When I was arrested and forced the penguin walk, I wasn’t fearful. I was reminding myself to keep my head intact.

    Trauma exsaguination happens. Do I fear failure? No. Do I try my fucking hardest to staunch the rent? Yes.

    Fearlessness comes with understanding your value to you, others.

    Does that help?

  27. “Find certainty”… that you’ll manage regardless and can always find a way… even if you’re in a new situ that you’re not prepared for… @Eh, great example dude.

  28. @blax

    And for the record, yup – I am a fearless dude because ” fear ” doesn’t serve any purpose at all in my life…

    …Listen son, the worse thing that can possible happen to you is that you manage to get yourself killed somehow. Everything else ( mostly..) can be dealt with…

    …Caution is fine by degrees. Too much caution is a hindrance in life. Men are built to test and be tested, and learn from the experience.

    Interesting statement.

    Consider your comments here:


    But full disclosure: I’m much much more aware since this feeding frenzy has commenced. My job has dozens and dozens of cameras inside and outside. I used to pretty much ignore them, but I’ve become more aware.

    It has caused me to be more conscious of what I’m doing and saying, as everything is recorded and documented in some fashion.

    So now, the im’s from female coworkers only get ‘ professional ‘ replies. A message of ” hey hey hey ” only get a ” can I help you ” response. The Indian Bollywood looker with truckloads of eye contact and super close proximity gets 75% less ec in return from me and a ” step back ” to remain at a nice distance for the candid camera in the ceiling.

    So now I keep quiet and stay at a distance with my arms folded across my chest or my hands in my pockets.

    Why are you being such a pussy at work?

    Seriously!

    You are changing how you talk, what you say, your body language and positioning down to an insanely specific degree. “a ‘step back’ to remain at a nice distance for the candid camera in the ceiling.'” Jesus, you can’t even have a normal conversation!

    Even worse, you keep your hands in your pockets and keep quiet and keep your distance…phew, just like a scared beta loser.

    If anything short of death can be dealt with, why make concessions here? Surely you could adapt to being fired, if it came to that? You are a big tough dude, you don’t need this job.

    That’s not like you Blax. You need to be one hundred percent balls to the wall unrestrained alpha 24/7. Anything less is compromising yourself as a man, it’s beta and pathetic, and you should be ashamed of what a mewling pathetic loser you have become.

    Men are built to test and be tested, after all.

    If you get fired, so be it. That’s just another learning opportunity for you.

    Don’t consider the effects it might have on your family either. Fuck em. Its all about you, and your manliness.

    Balls to the wall bro, never give up, never surrender.

    So go on. Hit on those girls just like you did before. Any change on your part is giving in. Be the same old blax you always were at work.

    Hell, you should act the same everywhere you go!

    Mall, Funeral, Business Meeting — be the same! Be overtly sexual and aggressive, don’t adjust to where you are at all. ANY changes at all mean you are giving in to fear, you shouldn’t care at all if people hate you or you get a fine or in a fight at all.

    You are a man, you can handle it all!

    Quit being a pussy and go out there and be a real man!

    Stop being a pussy blax!

  29. @Blaximus

    I have stayed out of this echo chamber of Alpha/Beta debate but you have gone over the top with your “fearless alpha” garbage. As someone with legal experience posted; the law is a “machine, a juggernaut” and no amount of alpha will save you.

    For you, and all the other “super alphas” posting here I have a challenge that I can back up because I have been in the belly of beast (see my earlier post #8 from the beginning). Tell us about your experience with the legal system when hit with a false DV or rape charge.

    I will bet good money that none of you “super alphas” have any experience inside the belly of the beast. And therefore, you have no idea what you are talking about. Your blather is nothing more than high school jock bravado.

    I await your answers (and I will know if you are lying). Of course, no answer means I’m right. Cheers.

  30. @ Hank

    Reading comprehension. It’s important.

    @ John Smith

    Because you approach me as an asshole, I don’t feel the need to satisfy your request.

    Suffice to say that I’m very experienced with that juggernaut and just how fucked up it is. You assume a lot of false shit because you appear to be used to dealing with High School Jock Bravado or some such.

    Belly of the Beast. GTFOH with that shit . You have no fucking idea.

  31. Rollo,

    I’m all for you not being prescriptive and support your philosophy of “Not making men better but men making themselves better” however, given the circumstances we are in presently; perhaps it wouldn’t be a bad idea for you to be prescriptive?

    With that being said, I strongly encourage you to please put more emphasis on what Red pill men can and should do in these dangerous times and what is also becoming a dangerous game. Thanks for the consideration and I look forward to the last installment of this series.

    Cheers!

  32. blax, I understand their point, I’ve sideswiped you about it before, too

    this whole “fear has no use for a man and has no place in my life” can be honestly construed to be wishful, perhaps ignorant, bravado, although I don’t think you mean it that way

    here’s what I think you’re saying, or at least how I interpret it:

    fear is nothing more than your primal brain giving warning that something isn’t right, maybe dangerous; to say it serves a purpose for survival only needs to be said for formality, duh!; to personify it, the *intent* of fear is be a good thing for you

    like most things in life, it’s how you react to this warning that makes all the difference; does one bolt like a scared bunny or square up with a snort and sneer? that’s gonna depend upon the circumstance and individual

    not only that — and I think this is your main point — a man needs to train his brain/self to only give fear warnings on things he’s thoughtfully deemed to be of concern, not what others have convinced him to be scared of

  33. “I will bet good money that none of you “super alphas” have any experience inside the belly of the beast.”

    @ John Smith

    Easy man.

    I’d venture a lot of Alpha behavior obviates dealing with intersexual legal matters as women by and large prefer Alpha behavior though thick and thin.

    I’ve given my woman plenty of opportunities to leave. She refused.

    Why do you think?

  34. Dr. Z –

    Hey man.

    Okay, let me see if I can get what I’m thinking across without being overly long winded.

    Growing up there were quite a few things I was afraid of, as are most children. I never was comfortable with fear or being afraid. In fact, I hated it with a passion. Heights, spiders, bullies/stick up boys with guns, police with bad intentions, lots of scary shit for a kid.

    By my teens I was completely fed up with fear, and I wanted it gone from my life in the worst way. There was no internet back then and nobody went to ” therapy “, so you had to figure shit out for yourself or hope that someone else with experience could show you the way.

    I gave it a lot of thought. Months and months in fact. It became an obsessive thing in my head that I wanted to understand and handle. But I had a feeling. And that feeling was that ” fear “, aside from being startled or something, was all in your head and how you perceived ” things “. So I sought to change myself.

    I got a small job at a local pet store when I was about 12 or so. In the pet store Pythons and Boas were on sale, and I loved feeding them and taking them on my shoulders and going out front of the store and freaking out people as they walked by. The store owner warned me not to wrap the snake, or let him wrap himself around my neck, but I guess I didn’t think it was all that dangerous – until one day the snake almost choked my ass out. But I had a revelation : I wasn’t afraid, even as Hambone tightened up around my neck because he was just doing his snake shit and I’d fucked up by not respecting his choke game. Lol, it took 2 employees to pry him off my neck.

    They also had a bunch of tarantulas for sale also. I did not fuck with them because I was deathly afraid of spiders of all kinds. Other employees were always trying to put the spiders on me when I wasn’t looking, and I’d PANIC and run into walls screaming and shit. I was embarrassed to my core, as I’d always had that reaction whenever any kind of spider or anything with more than 6 legs was in my vicinity.

    The actual fear was unbearable for me. I had to get a handle on it. So I got a handle on it. I forced myself, slowly over a couple of weeks, to handle the tarantulas every opportunity I got. It was hard. I used to break into a cold sweat. I had to clench my teeth and hold my breath as not to scream like a bitch. But I got through it. Eventually, I wasn’t screaming when I saw spiders ( but to this day, I give them their space..) and I learned to peacefully coexist with them. There was a lesson in all that, so I applied it to all of my fears and did my best to banish them.

    Years later I was in Chandler AZ at a gf’s ( ldr ) brothers house and a fucking scorpion came waltzing across a kitchen counter. I picked it up by it’s stinger and threw it outside. I figured if it stung me I was gonna smash it to bits as retribution, but let’s see if we can’t go another way. Lol.

    Same type of thing with heights. Before the asshole terrorists knocked down the World Trade, I was there constantly above the 100th floor leaning against the glass and looking out. Eventually my heart stopped pounding and I didn’t feel like I was gonna passout.

    Guns were the hardest. Popular opinion said that if anyone pulls a gun on you, do whatever they say. I hated that notion, but hey, what are you gonna do? Nobody wants to get shot. But do you have to be afraid?

    If you pulla gun on Ton, do you think he’s gonna shit his pants? Lol. NOT.

    The trick is to face and confront your fear, and yeah, it can be dangerous and it might not go the way you plan.

    The few times a gun was pulled on me for purposes of relieving me of my possessions, I found myself amazingly calm and composed. I surprised myself. One robber mashed a .38 against my throat when I was all of 15 and told me to ” run my pockets ” ( give him everything in my pockets ) and I managed to tell him ” Fuck you, you got the gun, you go in my pockets..I ain’t giving you shit “. Lol, he took about 3 dollars I had in my pockets and threw my keys across the street. The there was the failed carjacking, the attempted ATM stickup… no fear, but lots of anger.

    Now, John Smith stumbles in yacking shit without any idea. Par. But what I knew waayyyy before he found out, was that police are the absolute worse and most dangerous, sometimes for no fucking reason at all other than they happen to feel like it. I’ve had more guns pulled on me and threatened with having my ” fucking head blown off ” by police officers than I have by thugs/robbers. It’s so nice to be in the middle, lol.

    I was once threatened with being charged with DV/Kidnapping, and those cops were as serious as a heart attack – even though I had not 1 clue what they were talking about. I was taken to ” The Station ” in cuffs, and they took a series of polaroid pics of me, and kept telling me to ” come clean “. But I wasn’t afraid because the situation was being driven by them, and nothing I could say or do at that point was going to make a difference because they were convinced they had their man. I figured that eventually it would work itself out, but they said that they were going to transfer me to county lockup. Tears rolled down my face, but it wasn’t fear, it was sadness at how fucked up the whole thing was. They called for a transport, shackled me up, and headed to the van when I heard someone screaming at the top of their lungs ” OMG!!!! That’s not him!!!! That’s not him!!!! You got the wrong guy!!!! My daughter’s still out there somewhere!!!! “. They’d bought the victims mom to look at me as they were putting me in the van and she effectively called them off.

    No apologies. Nothing. They took off the shackles and told me I was free to go.

    Point being, I learned when things are out of your control there’s nothing that fear will/can do to make shit better. It’s useless. It only fucks with your head and your objective thought.

    As soon as I got a little cash/assets, I make sure I can post bail just in case some more stupid shit happens, and I have a few lawyer/judge friends that know I’m not whoever the fuck the system says I am at a given moment.

    Some days you’re the bug, some days you’re the windshield. Keep breathing, that’s important.

    So naw, Smith don’t know. He assumes.

    And I got 56 years worth of stories/experiences because I was determined to enjoy my life regardless of any fuckery. It’s worked out pretty damn good. I ain’t been in high school for a minute now.

    So Hank, let me know how it goes after your first few arrests for shit you haven’t done. Most of this shit has been around forever and it’s not exactly new… from my perspective. The only difference is that now all you need is a penis to be an automatic suspect.

    You skeered?

  35. @EhIntellect

    Thanks for making me take a deep breath. I was a little harsh, but truthfully, I have little patience for those who have not been through the grinder yet still feel their uninformed opinion about its mechanisms and depravity deserves merit.

    Anyway, I totally agree with your assessment of Alpha behavior obviating having to deal with intersexual legal matters, but with some caveats. First is her age, second is length of relationship, and third is financial. In essence, my argument is that Alpha frame is not only situational but also transitory, all at her whim.

    We all know that up to the age of 30 or so women are more interested in sexual tingles, attention, and one upping their friends. If your woman is under thirty and these criteria are met, she doesn’t care how long you will stick around or about your income.

    When she is facing 30 and starts hearing her clock ticking her interest turns to LTR and cash. At this stage your LTR potential and income take priority over tingles. If she wants babies and money no amount of Alpha tingles will overcome that. And when she realizes that you are not going to give her what she wants she all too often switches to woman scorned mode and can/will sic the law on you in vengeance. Just that simple.

    If she is under 30 and you have an LTR with her you can bet her eye has or will wander and no amount of Alpha tingles can stop her. It is like guys who think they are bad ass because they have won a couple of fights but fail to realize there is someone out there much more bad ass than them waiting to put them in hospital. She will think there are better Alpha tingles out there and act on it. They all do.

    If she is over 30 and has access to your wealth, she has thought about throwing you overboard for it. Do something to piss her off and she will act on it and off to jail you go. This is what happened to me. I gave her the Alpha tingles she wanted at 28 and wasn’t getting. After two years of dating and seven years of marriage (the seven year itch) I pissed her off over money. She switched to woman scorned mode, I ended up jailed, barely avoided prison, became unemployable, bankrupt, and destroyed.

    My Alpha frame didn’t matter one iota, and neither does any other man’s. The beast is designed to destroy a man, grind him up, and spit out a carcass. Just that simple. And every woman knows this power is at her beckon call. And the state has not only given her permission but also encouragement to use it. Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Omega, TFL – it doesn’t matter. If you have a penis you are fair game. And the judge has more “game” than you can imagine.

    So, my friend, do you think I have answered your question? Cheers.

  36. shite blax, a simple affirmative nod would’ve sufficed lol

    good background on how/why you trained yourself; had a few run-ins with the law dogs myself, sometimes deservedly so, other times just at the wrong end of a profile; no doubt you get a feel for the reality in which you are assumed to be a dirtbag and fodder for the machine; unless you’ve been in it, you’ve no idea how little the system gives a fuck about you, or even worse, sees you as a resource for their own advancements (prey)

    I hope you find compassion for smith, he’s still bleeding from that machine and recently had his whole life torn asunder; I personally would give anyone in that much pain a wide berth until they get it handled; the fact that he’s here is a great sign for him

    j smith, hang tough, brother; I’ll help anyway I can

  37. Dr Z

    It’s not that I don’t have compassion for Smith, or any guy that’s been through the ringer, it’s the whole ” Belly of the Beast ” analogy that kinda set me off. The ” high school/super alpha ” thing didn’t sit that well either, lol.

    But your point is taken.

    Sorry Smith.

  38. OK, now you guys are scaring me. That there is going to be another cross-purposes food fight here.

    Sure the legal system is a beast. But it is what it is. What are you going to do about it?

    Dangerous times suck. What are you going to do about it?

    Divorce rape sucks. What are you going to do with relationship Game?

    Come on.

    I don’t know why you guys are having a problem with Blax’s senior advice. It’s very good mindset stuff. It works. When you’ve done lots of scary shit and lived to tell about it, things look a lot different on this side of the hill. You get confidence through experiences that turned out good. You young guys should try that sometimes at home.

    Life is scary. That doesn’t mean you have to let it get to you. Or to be self limiting in your goals. Or not have high goals. Or not make reasoned choices with the aid of your gut.

    @ John Smith

    Marriage at the seven year mark takes equanimity (mental calmness, composure, and evenness of temper, especially in a difficult situation). Or it can blow up in your face. We talked about it in Rollo’s essay Divorce Incorporated. I’m not insensitive to your plight either, but your experience is not a universal truth.

    Dr. Zipper had this comment:

    https://therationalmale.com/2017/08/01/divorce-incorporated/comment-page-5/#comment-208948

    You have to not lose your head about things that might not be Complex Problems and May have simple solutions. Although I did lose my shit trying to install a door bell chime, because the old one looked like a shitty dark urine colored housing after 20 years. My wife is in some kind of Shark week style nesting mode and kept putting stuff away in the most unimaginative places. Like wire twist on caps, instructions, needle nose pliers–shit just disappearing like there is no tomorrow. And I was having to figure out the wiring. And put a fucking diode on the front door push-button. Then I’m having a problem. As I’m connecting the appropriate wires, the door chime is ringing. And there is also a chime in the distance. Turns out there is a door bell chime in the basement. The old one front door push button and two door bell chimes trick. With all the pack-ratting that my wife was doing and my INTJ brain trying to figure out the wiring schematic, I’m getting pissed in my idealistic frenzy over a complicated thing that was supposed to be simple. And my wife was calling me out on my two-year-old like behavior (which it was, but I was frustrated.) Sure it’s not a divorce rape going on here, but I just relaxed (or not) and figured out the wiring diagram. A simple Solution To complex problem was how it turned out. And I may or may not get laid tonight due to my lack of Alpha. The old mom-doesn’t-want-to-fuck-a-two-year-old trick.

  39. Simple Solutions to Complex Problems:

    I previously posted some background including the definition of Pendulums used by Vadim Zeland here:

    https://therationalmale.com/2017/08/01/divorce-incorporated/comment-page-5/#comment-208982

    This is a formalized discourse from Transurfing Reality that is similar to what Blaximus is trying to say (and said it well in my opinion). It is somewhat derived from psychology and ancient wisdom:

    Simple Solutions to Complex Problems

    Another practical value of these techniques for defeating or stopping a pendulum is acquiring the ability to solve all kinds of problems: complicated situations in your personal life, conflict, unfavorable circumstances or simply a set task. There are always simple solutions to complex problems. The key to solving a problem always lies somewhere on the surface, the question is how to spot it. The pendulum that creates the problem obscures your vision, making it harder to find the key.

    The goal of a destructive pendulum is always to feed on your energy. To do this it has to attune the vibration of your thought energy to the frequency of the problem and keep it there. This is easy to do if you are convinced that the problem is complex. If you accept the game rules, the pendulum will take you by the hand and lead you into an intricate labyrinth. Only later will you look back in hindsight and see how easily the mystery could have been solved.

    If you play on someone’s complexes by scaring, worrying or confusing them, they will take the bait and readily agree how complicated the problem really is. You do not even have to scare a person to achieve the same effect. Most people will agree that there are no easy solutions to the majority of their problems. We are all constantly confronted with difficulties of some kind over the course of our lives, especially when we face something new or unfamiliar. Approaching problems with anxiety or even a reverential fear is for most people a deeply rooted habit. When weighing up their ability to deal with a problem most people verge on the side of self-doubt. Consequently, all this anxiety is an excellent puppet string.

    A pendulum can act via its adherents, i.e. people who are connected with a particular problem as well as non-living objects. The pendulum holds a person’s thought energy at a certain frequency, sucking their energy whilst they carry the burden of the problem. You might think that focusing on the problem would help you to concentrate on finding a solution to it, and yet the opposite happens; it actually hinders you from finding a solution.

    The pendulum focuses our thinking on a very narrow sector of the informational field. As a result, a person thinks and acts within the limits of a narrow corridor, unable to see the bigger picture or perceive the solution which may well lie outside that sector of the information field. Unusual or intuitive solutions often present themselves when you free yourself from the pendulum and are able to think in a different way. The secret of genius lies in remaining free from the influence of pendulums. While the thought energy of most people is held at certain frequencies by pendulums, the thought energy of a genius is free to attune itself to different frequencies and move into unexplored areas of the information field.

    The way to avoid getting caught in the pendulum’s snare is to keep whatever problem you are dealing with in perspective and remain aware of the pendulum’s intent to trick you into playing its game. Rent yourself out–be detached. Try looking at the situation as if you had no emotional attachment to it. Act as you normally would but remain observant, don’t play the game. Remember that the pendulum wants to take you by the hand and lead you into a complex labyrinth. Do not let the problem get a hold on you, scare, worry, or confuse you. Just remember that there is always a straightforward solution to every problem. Do not accept the “complicated” interpretation projected by the pendulum.

    If you are confronted with a problem or tricky situation, be aware of your attitude towards it. Even though the problem may stir up feelings of confusion, fear, resentment, despair and so on, it is important to change your initial attitude to the exact opposite because then the problem will either disappear by itself or you will quickly find a simple solution to it. Despite the stereotypes and habits you have already adopted, try to regard any problems you encounter as just another part of the road you are walking along, like any other aspect of it, rather than as obstacles that must be overcome. Do not take the problem onboard so that it occupies your inner space. Be empty to the problem.

    If you have to solve a challenging problem remember that you do not have to rely solely on logical reasoning. Your subconscious is directly linked to the information field where the solution to any potential problem already exists. Relax; release any fear or anxiety you may have been experiencing in connection with the issue, confident in the knowledge that the solution already exists. Let go. Quiet the chatter of the mind and contemplate the nature of emptiness. It is very likely that the solution will come to you instantly, and it will probably be very simple. If this does not work, do not give up returning immediately to the rational thinking process. Try the exercise again. You will probably find that it works the second time. This exercise develops the ability to obtain knowledge intuitively. You just have to make it a habit.

    This method really does work if you are able to stay detached and free yourself from the pendulum. This is not always easy but later in the book you will discover new methods for dealing with pendulums. For now we are just at the beginning of the Transurfing technique. Are you feeling as if I have taken you by the hand and am leading you into a labyrinth? Stay free, even of those who preach to you of freedom.

    It’s well know that when you want to pursue something, look to someone that has been successful at that endeavor. Including the endeavor of good Mindset in Game and Red Pill. You have a lot more to lose by arguing semantics and giving individual concrete examples of people being screwed by life events, than you have to gain by listening to OMG abstract principles derived from a lot of experience.

  40. “The beast is designed to destroy a man, grind him up, and spit out a carcass. Just that simple. And every woman knows this power is at her beckon call.”

    I don’t pretend to know what your going through, went through.

    Look friend, there are universals in human behavior. We all have our incentives and most align as men. We see eye to eye probably more than you think.

    Now, I’m IN NO WAY out of hand disregarding your case against women here: Your fatalistic view vastly reduces your options outside of that perspective, doesn’t it?

    You’ve painted yourself in a corner. You deserve better and more than you think is available.

    Women love and can be loved. It can be done without undue vitriol which only damages your faith in yourself, others.

    John, you’re allowed to walk through the paint to get out of the fix you’re in, not without paint on your shoes, of course.

    Stick around and it was nice talking.

  41. John Smith

    . I gave her the Alpha tingles she wanted at 28 and wasn’t getting. After two years of dating and seven years of marriage (the seven year itch) I pissed her off over money. She switched to woman scorned mode, I ended up jailed, barely avoided prison, became unemployable, bankrupt, and destroyed.

    By Belly of the Beast, I thought you meant locked up. Your story is not unique. This is the path of the beta. sorry. Some Alpha tingles, then lots of beta or no Alpha tingles. Makes Johnny a dull boy.

    If she was STILL getting alpha tingles from you Johnny, do you think you would have faced your fate?

    Think about it.

  42. @Blaximuz

    @Dr Z

    In these times, and the even more turbulent times that are sure to come, we men need to have each others back. Throughout history men have competed with each other for women. Belittling each other, put downs, fighting, and even killing for women. This needs to stop. We have to find a way to unite.

    Women have always known this and taken advantage of it, just as nature intended. But now they have weaponized it. We men may disagree but we must never forget that we are all in this same boat together, even the BP white knights who don’t know it yet.

    I let my passions get the better of me and attacked other men needlessly. I owe some beers, Cheers.

  43. @Sentinent

    Yes, I did go Beta but not for the reason you may think. The first miscarriage changed everything for us both. When she told me she was pregnant it was one of the happiest moments of my life.

    We both did the fertility thing. My sperm count was low percentage wise but there were a ton of the little swimmers. It turns out she was woefully deficient in a particular hormone necessary to carry to term. The normal number was 15, hers was 3.

    Things changed after that. At least one more miscarriage that she told me about. The trauma of miscarriage changed sex for both of us. I should have gotten a vasectomy to take that off the table, but didn’t.

    So, yes, I didn’t take command of the situation. If I had things may have turned out different, but I don’t think so. The miscarriages were a wall that could not be breached. Tingles and miscarriages are entirely two different things.

    So, yeah, I still stand by my point that Alpha is situational and transitory. Just like when standing before the judge there are some situations that you cannot Alpha yourself out of. And if she changes her mind about you for whatever reason, no amount of Alpha can stop that transition. Cheers.

  44. @BurnerPrime I agree with you about war. In wartime and the years following men are at a great numbers advantage in the sexual marketplace (that is if younare lucky enough not to be killed in war to begin with). My earliest memories were the years following the Vietnam war and I remember so many sensitive males and they were all getting laid. What a different culture it was. My concern is Americans no longer have the stomach for a large ground war so we will always have a very large surplus of reproductive aged males, especially with the added impact of immigration which is mostly men.

  45. In essence, my argument is that Alpha frame is not only situational but also transitory, all at her whim.

    You don’t understand game or biology or female psychology if you think that. Some women will kill their own children if told to do so by an alpha.

    If a guy doesn’t play any defense when he Nexts a girl, he might get smashed by the juggernaut even if he’s an alpha. YOU EVEN HAVE TO GAME YOUR EX!!!!! Burden of performance. No question that the legal deck is stacked against you. Stay out of court. Game your ex. Gaming your ex doesn’t stop just because she moves out or the divorce is final.

    I’ve fought and won three legal cases, so I have a little experience with the law. Fighting one of those cases cost me my business and almost my marriage. It wasn’t easy.

  46. John smith

    You pissed her off over money you said? Yet there was more. Miscarriage.

    Lot of unpacking to do John. I wouldn’t arrive at any conclusions jest yet if I were you.

  47. It Just downed on me, that one of the reason men allow this whole mess to happen is that even tho beta males say the think women are better than men, they in the inner minds they don’t see women as a threat, we as men have wired up that women even women in power will never be as threatening as a man in power.

    I was watching a photo of a bunch of men in a office with shirts that read “The Future is Female” and I begun thinking, a woman would never wear a shirt that reads: “The Future is Male” because men can be threatening, while in reverse men dare to wear a shirt that has a slogan that is as threatening as it can be, they are in fact erasing themselves from the future of the human kind by having that slogan in their shirts.

    Those same men would not wear a shirt saying ” The Future is being a slave of other men” because they think other men can be threatening, but they in turn do wear shirts that literally say “The Future is being a slave of women” the only basic reason I would wear such a thing is because deep down I wouldn’t think they can erase me, its an empty promise in their minds, they think they are doing good, yes, but they dont believe it, if they really believe it they would see for the dangerous message it is, its like wearing shirt that says: The Future is Black, or The Future is Hispanic, or The Future is White, you dont wear those because the threat of those messages is strong, and other people will hold you accountable for what they believe is a threat that can manifest in reality.

    The thing is women can be a threat, just like men, and the people that wears those shirts, seems to me that by doing so are taking one uneducated and moronic decision.

  48. Well I was just about to go to sleep. But I started thinking holy shit. And about the tack of today’s comments.

    And then I just remembered: Back twenty years ago we had a miscarriage at three months on our third pregnancy. I don’t recall remembering that in forever until John Smith brought up the subject. I don’t think I’ve thought about it for the last 18 years. I do remember it being one big shit test by the gods, but I recall being stoic about it. And then both of us moved on with the three year old boy and five year old girl (or something like that). Pretty soon after that my wife unilaterally decided to get her tubes tied. And a couple years after that was my descent into Betatization started. And she took over as the boss of the relationship. Good thing too. I was kind of clueless, but had great skills. A conundrum commenced.

    I don’t remember any fear or grief back then. It wasn’t as if there was any fault, blame or recourse. Sometimes your woman shit tests you, sometime mother nature does and sometimes society and pendulums shit tests you. Life is one big shit test. And still the question: What are you going to do about that.

    When I started to get red pilled, I paid attention to the significance of being shit tested. And I studied and studied and I practiced and I got mentored and I paid attention in class and I strived, and I strived. I spent a year being consumed with passing shit tests. And I got better, and better and better. Pretty soon it was fun. I passed through phases of existing contempt in relationship game. Passed through Oneitis (Oneitis is a shit test of your cognitive mind). I passed through phases of getting admiration and respect back. And went through a Reconstruction phase of making my mindset better and breaking up with her. As Esther Perel would describe it: you often have several LTR’s with serial monogamy (not something I’m advocating for. Unless that is your choice, it is mine and it is No Big Deal. It’s fun.). With the same person.

    Dangerous Times is a shit test writ large. Treat it as such.

    I went through a phase of getting my son through the grinder of the legal system (none of which scared me at all. I had never fucked up legally forever, so that was foreign territory and it didn’t seem anything other than a thing to deal with). Stoicism and making things work out for him. After all it was his ass on the line. And he passed with flying colors. Both 4 years ago, and One year ago. He got himself in deep shit as a bad boy.. And he’s actually better off for it. He’s very attractive to women. The legal system is really nothing Hank. It only cost $10K the first time around for the son and $5K the second time around. No Big Deal.)

    Oh, and I did get to lay my wife like tile just earlier. She was into it. And it was fun.

    Things don’t always go well. But you have free will and you can choose, with your beliefs and your confidence and your competence and your wisdom what comes your way. Lots of things will come your way and you can’t doubt your gut (heart/soul) and have your cognitive brain cock block what decisions you have to make and what choices you have the present themselves to you. Fear is a justified buffer. But it is not the ruler of you. Don’t let your limiting beliefs be the ruler of you. ‘Cause that’s unbecoming of your red pill gaming self.

    I got to indulge in Mother Nature at my farm today. After not being out there for 2 or 2 1/2 weeks. The longest I’ve gone in 11 years without being there at least once a week. Everything was fine with the clubhouse cabin. And she (Mother Nature) was real and spectacular. Cruel bitch but energy giving. Just like AWALT.

    And life is not so bad as it’s made out to be. Good night moon.

  49. John —

    The thing is, it’s all about frame. Miscarriages can be managed as well if you maintain alpha frame. Marriage in general in this day and age has a beta-izing effect, which means you have to actively manage your frame nonstop once you are married … you should have been doing that before anyway, of course, but it seems that many guys do not do that once they are married for a few years. Frame, frame, frame — be relentless about frame and you will not get sucked into the worst parts of the law, even if you get divorced. Frame really does matter in these situations as much as in any other, speaking as a divorced guy myself.

    Alpha frame is the cure-all, it really is. It’s the way, period. There is no other way. And, yes, you still run some risk of being screwed by the legal system or #metoo or the coming YmY regime, but you have a much better chance of surviving it with a strong alpha frame than otherwise.

    It is the solution, it is the answer, it is the only choice of anyone who is actually a rational male.

  50. @Novaseeker

    I have felt myself a stranger in a strange land for quite some time. And now I find myself a stranger on a strange board that is not in my wheelhouse. Truthfully, I have been Black Pilled, and I do not like it, but it keeps my lungs filled and my heart beating. This board seems to be the antithesis of the Black Pill. So, why am I here?

    The destruction of life commenced on November 23, 2011. I fought against my own lawyers as hard as I fought the so-called justice system. At the time I did not know that I was just the latest raw material to be force fed into the system. It was a nightmare Kafka could not imagine,

    The worst part was the realization that everything I had been led to believe in grammar school about the Constitution and the rule of law was an absolute lie as practiced in reality. I was on the verge of blowing my brains out, hanging on by the knot in the end of the rope.

    The second worst part was the plethora of females I encounter along the way. The betrayal of the ex was nothing compared to the disregard for the rule of law or anything resembling a search for the truth they all displayed. Add that to the male judges and lawyers and my faith in my country was completely destroyed. I came to realize there is there no truth or law. There is only the raw exercise of political power.

    I focused my will to live on my aging mother. She passed in her own bed, as she wished, on December 10, 2016. When she drew her last breath I became a formally bankrupted millionaire.

    But for what? I will soon be 63 years old. I look back and ask what my lifelong fascination with females has gotten me. What has all the hard work and sacrifice been for? The answer is a meaningless few million dollars at the end and a wasted life in fascination and seemingly endless struggle. Hence, the Black Pill.

    This board has caused me to rethink the comfort of the Black Pill. But, then again, having been through the grinder, a return to the reality of women and the world as it really works fills me with trepidation.

    I play golf by myself. The thought of a female in my cart with the ability to send me back into the grinder by her dialing 911 scares the shit out of me. The cops and prosecutors and lawyers don’t give a shit about frame or Alpha. They only see another statistic to increase their income. Just that simple.

    I think I’ll go back to Black Pill on the first tee. Thanks for listening gentlemen. Cheers.

  51. @ john smith
    Is the Black Pill nihilism (or MGTOW)? I don’t judge, it’s an entirely rational response in some circumstances. In any case, I sincerely wish you all the best.

    @ Rugby
    Interesting vid about the domestic violence experiment. It is something AVFM harps on about a lot. But I just realised why people reacted or didn’t react the way they did. None of the bystanders seriously thought there was any danger to the man. Those same bystanders flipped their shit not only because of Blue Pill conditioning and wanting to White Knight, but because just about any grown man could kill a woman with his bare hands if he was so inclined. Perhaps every man knows that an unarmed, violent woman is an irritant, but an unarmed, violent man is a real and present danger.

    @ Blax
    I’ve been lurking, too busy doing OMG stuff to comment on Rollo’s excellent articles recently.

    There are two misapprehensions about the law under which almost everyone has. The first is that the courts etc are a “justice” system. No, it is a “legal” system. This is a subtle, albeit important difference. Any “justice” resulting from legal proceedings is purely coincidental.

    The second is that a police investigation and/or court proceedings is a search for the “truth”. No, it is a gathering, presentation and weighing of evidence. The “truth” of a matter being revealed is again, purely coincidental; the revealed truth playing a part in winning a case is again, purely coincidental.

    Much like bringing a knife to a gunfight, acting honourably and telling the truth, being factual etc will go very poorly against a dishonourable or unethical opponent who destroys, conceals or fabricates evidence in order to be successful in a legal proceeding. Why anyone would think that dealing unsuccessfully with a woman in such a manner would somehow work in a court of law (not “justice”) is beyond me.

    I see the convergence again. People will rationally respond to their circumstances as their capacity allows. All the shit in society we are observing is cause and effect. Those who don’t respond in a timely or skillful manner will get their scrota caught in the wringer. A lot of the things I observed earlier are a rational response to circumstances – they may not be the optimal response, or your preferred response, but people will do what they believe they can do and what they believe is in their best interest. Sure, most are misinformed about what they can do or what is possible. Blue Bill conditioning is hard to unlearn.

  52. On fear and precaution…

    There may be a fine line between fear and precaution. Is it fear when I discuss it? Is it fear when Hank discusses it? Was it precaution when Blax discussed it?

    @Blax: how much fear do you read on my comments about these dangerous times? How much fear do you read on Rollo’s articles?

    @Hank: I partially agree with you, but I do agree with others, your comments read like you are carrying too much concern/overthinking/precaution with you. If you are, most girls will read that in your subcomms (tiny hesitations? I don’t know). Take care of course, but be bold at the same time.

    @Blax again: despite Hank’s possibly being too concerned, these are indeed dangerous times (as per Rollo and this very post) and as Hank keeps reposting (and I mentioned it as well in a previous post), there is no point in you pretending everything is exactly as it was when you changed behaviour as a precaution (maybe only at work, but it is still a change in behaviour). If you are doing it to embolden the younger crowd I think a more effective approach will be to admit there are changes and reinforce the advice to “don’t mix shit and eat”, if you will, and redirect the “No fear” to places to practice. As Hank says, where you are mostly anonymous is great.

  53. @Sentient and to anyone who cares, on being above the threshold.

    I suggest others to read these great comments by IRL on the FR section
    https://therationalmale.com/field-reports/comment-page-60/#comment-226011
    https://therationalmale.com/field-reports/comment-page-60/#comment-226080
    Now that is progress… In 1 year!

    As for me…
    I’m not the poster boy for “No fear” or amazing progress, but maybe that is precisely why this will be helpful to others. IRL’s posts were very inspiring to me as I could relate to them.

    I became aware of the RP around September 2015. I knew little about game previously, from some mentions, and discounted it as I thought NAWALT.

    From looking at others – even say Culum, which I think is much better at Game than I am… One advantage I have is that I apparently don’t feel shame and social pressure to the degree others do.
    Or I am just used to not fear it? I still feel it. And there are times I don’t approach/open due to it, or I open but don’t sexualize or push the interaction.

    But take this first sentence by thegabz:
    “It’s already difficult enough for a young man to go out into the real world and meet a woman – the fear of rejection is not easily overcome.”
    I don’t want to be too harsh, so I’ll just say… This is the *fear* that Blax and others rightfully call out. That is worse than useless, it is hindering you unnecessarily.
    This second sentence:
    “Now we can add the fear of legal, and social, consequences on top of it.”
    Is a separate issue…

    I couldn’t find it… Can someone post that video from GoodLookingLoser on the worst reaction he ever got? Because you will basically *never* get a reaction as bad as that one (notice he decided to keep pushing her buttons for whatever reason, a newbie wouldn’t). And even there, nothing really serious happens to him other than being shouted at.
    The benefits of practicing where you are anonymous!

    Back to me. Prior to 2015, I didn’t have that much previous experience with flirting with the ladies. I was already arrogant/confident and funny, and I know I had interest from girls more times than I realized and I flirted with a few with varying degrees of success.
    I also used to be religious and believed in stuff like saving myself for marriage. I didn’t even kiss a girl on the lips until I thought it would be one I would marry (which happened). My N=0 until I married and is still N=1 today.

    I was already an atheist (which helped) when I learned about RP. Since learning Mystery Method, reading Tyler and YaReally and watching some good videos. I’ve approached girls occasionally on day game plus some dedicated effort on maybe 10 or so night outs (in 2 years that is pitiful). I’ve been mostly limiting myself to doing it in situations where I have some anonymity (I tell myself that is because I’m married, but maybe that is just another buffer).

    A (shameful) highlight of course was when I gamed a married older woman so well, that she was basically begging me to make out, which I did (so now I’ve kissed another woman on the lips). After that I had a freakout of such proportions that I think just mentioning it will make Sentient and SJF smile (or even laugh) knowingly.

    I have achieved many things, both with the wife and with others… Collecting reference experiences.

    So I’m definitely buffering a lot and taking it a lot slower than I should… Still doing something.
    And definitely improving.

    Even if you do it slowly… Do something. Improve.

    *These are Dangerous Times… But that is no excuse. It is worse to remain unskilled.*

  54. @John Smith

    So you found out about the legal system? So did I. Big fucking deal. Welcome to the real world.

    You fucked up and failed to game your ex and want to shift the blame to the legal system. Grow a pair and admit your failure and work on your game.

    Now you want to give up? At 63? You don’t want to improve yourself? Ok, go crawl in a hole and die. That’s essentially what you’re doing. Me, I’m continuing to work on improving myself.

    Sometimes life sucks. You still have the burden of performance. Even when life sucks, you can still work on improving yourself…the bad parts usually end after a bit and you might as well be ready to take advantage of that.

  55. IAS

    Good point about precaution and fear. Hank keeps reposting what I wrote, but he still doesn’t understand what I said. That’s okay though because hank.

    When I’m out on the road zipping along at 90 mph, and my detector goes off, I adjust my speed downward towards the legal limits. Now, I don’t do this because I’m afraid of anything. I don’t think that I’ll get arrested or shot by the police for speeding. The detector let’s me know to be cautious to avoid a summons.

    And I’ll check my speed until either I can get a visual on the officer, or the pretty green light reappears on the device.

    No fear involved.

    Hank can’t wrap his mind around not harboring massive amounts of fear. I’ve know many men like him. So he exaggerates my position. Zfg though, lol, it’s his life and only he can live it.

    Yet I don’t believe the line between fear and precaution is all that thin. They are very different, mainly because of motivation and thought patterns. Hank goes on about why don’t I just do whatever and if I lose my job, so what? See that’s that silly shit. He thinks I’m 19 yearsnold or something. I’ve lost jobs and kept it moving, and understanding that, I positioned myself so that losing a job is not life altering anymore. I explained that I have a plan to pad my retirement even more over the next 5 years, and dealing with HR or getting fired doesn’t fit into my mission.

    And I also explained to hank that as long as my name isn’t on the edifice I work in, I’m always subject to losing that job. So what’s to fear? I mean, really?

    I’ve read more fearful musings from hank than from any other commenter over the years. It’s consistent and unwavering. I’m just going to accept that he can’t get what I’m saying because he’s comfortable in his fear. That’s on him, but as I’ve stressed, life is short and time gives no fucks.

    So if I encourage men to recognise and control or eliminate fear as much as possible, and a guy thinks it’s impossible or unreasonable, then for him it will be. Self fulfilling.

    As far as Rollo’s writing, I’ve never seen any fear in any article – but I’ve seen fearful and angry reaction to them, lol. It’s about interpretation and where the readers mindset happens to be.

    Now I gotta jet because I’m expecting a slight blizzard today. Gonna make sure the generator is fueled and ready, and get out the 50 pound bag of ice melt. Precaution, not fear.

  56. Why are people so worried about the law? If you maintain the proper frame, you won’t get into legal problems, because she won’t be calling 911 on you — that only happens when you don’t maintain frame.

    Alpha really is the answer, as much as guys like to avoid that truth.

  57. The alpha also suffers a lot even in this stupid FI utopia.

    I have felt that this place is a great solace for us betas by the way (and I believe all of us in here are betas by the way).

    But there is no place for alphas to go. An alpha is on his own. I am not trolling by the way. The alpha is a victim of his good looks and street smarts. Everyone wants a piece of him though, and they will eventually get it. I suspect that he often feels like the worst bastard on earth. The girl is in love, and he is lost in desire. He knows he will eventually hurt the women, but it is as if he is unable to help himself. The women also want a piece of him, and he knows she will get it somehow. She believes in love, but he knows it does not exist. Life is as superficial as can be. I think many real alphas wear out before their time. He is like the King Lion in the savannah who does not last more five short bloody, brutal years on the throne, no breathers. And when his teeth have been knocked out and he his knees broken, life moves on. Even the women move on too. Betas don’t have to live like this. They can buy pussy, they can take a break now and then. They can kick back, down a mug of beer (or a bottle of fine whisky) as they take a breather or two from life. They are allowed to.

  58. @John smith,

    So, you’re 63 and a millionaire. Doesn’t sound so bad to me.

    I’m also a victim of the FI driven legal grinder. Still paying alimony that will end next year. She’s suing me again for an alimony modification. Initial divorce cost 60k plus in legal fees. Legal fight against alimony mod is at 9k already and we’re not done yet. Still paying down balance of first legal fight. My net worth is about 20k because of divorce rape. I’m 60 years old and still working.

    She made BS charges about DV and misappropriation of marital funds. I basically pay the rent where she and her pussy leach boyfriend live.

    But you know what? Life is good man. Life is good.

    Yeah, you found out the ugly truth about a bunch of shit. But you still have the rest of your life to live. Don’t waste that gift.

    Don’t give the bastards the satisfaction of fucking up your life. A man deals with reality and moves on.

  59. I think the end game for the FI is to turn all heterosexual relations, including marriage, into the nordic model of prostitution. Men are criminals by default and the idea that a man can definitively protect himself if he ‘obtains’ affirmative or enthusiastic is just an illusion. You are guilty the moment she decides you are guilty, even years later. You cannot truly gain ‘consent’ if it can be revoked at any time.

    The man-hating lesbian radfems finally get their wish…all heterosexual intercourse is rape…if the woman says it is.

    The solution for many seems to be: ‘be alpha, and she won’t WANT to destroy you’. I guess that’s the new-and-improved ‘burden of performance’. It will probably work for some. I wonder how ‘alpha’ any man can be with a gun to his head though.

    Solutions will not come from ‘convincing’ women of anything. I would lean more on technology: personal recording devices, better male birth control, sexbots (even if it just a fringe minority that use them), etc.

    Most importantly, the spread of red pill knowledge to men and boys.

  60. Here’s one where the female judge sided with the beta orbiter on appeal, but only because the woman heading up both USC’s Title IX Office, and Office of Equity and Diversity, made so many mistakes while railroading said beta.

    “One of the errors made by the private institution? The Title IX coordinator and investigator repeatedly called the male student and his adviser “motherfuckers” after they forgot to hang up on a call with them.”

    http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/40537/

    “Judge White also notes that Roe herself didn’t immediately refer to the encounter as “rape” because she didn’t want to “make it a big deal.” Her own Facebook messages suggest she was accusing Doe because he continued “hooking up” with others, while she wanted them to be exclusive. (Recall this was a “dating-ish” relationship.)”

    The whole episode where the kid was originally found guilty tracks right along with the OP, and supports all comments that boil down to kill the beta before it kills you.

  61. ” A man deals with reality and moves on.”

    All he can do
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24603170

    “You cannot truly gain ‘consent’ if it can be revoked at any time.”

    “But there is no place for alphas to go. An alpha is on his own. I am not trolling by the way. The alpha is a victim of his good looks and street smarts. Everyone wants a piece of him though, and they will eventually get it. I suspect that he often feels like the worst bastard on earth. The girl is in love, and he is lost in desire. He knows he will eventually hurt the women, but it is as if he is unable to help himself. The women also want a piece of him, and he knows she will get it somehow. She believes in love, but he knows it does not exist. Life is as superficial as can be. I think many real alphas wear out before their time. He is like the King Lion in the savannah who does not last more five short bloody, brutal years on the throne, no breathers. And when his teeth have been knocked out and he his knees broken, life moves on. Even the women move on too. Betas don’t have to live like this. They can buy pussy, they can take a break now and then. They can kick back, down a mug of beer (or a bottle of fine whisky) as they take a breather or two from life. They are allowed to.”

  62. I hate the prevalent assumption among men that Game is primarily about getting laid. Getting laid is part of it, but far from the whole story. Game helps with defense, too, as EI has pointed out. I think this is an appropriate time to link to a post I recently wrote where I opined some ideas about how a man might implement taming a shrew (all girls are shrews to some extent) in these dangerous times.

    https://theasdgamer.wordpress.com/2017/12/28/kiss-me-kate-or-the-taming-of-the-shrew/

  63. IAS

    I couldn’t find it… Can someone post that video from GoodLookingLoser on the worst reaction he ever got? Because you will basically *never* get a reaction as bad as that one (notice he decided to keep pushing her buttons for whatever reason, a newbie wouldn’t). And even there, nothing really serious happens to him other than being shouted at.

    Chris’s frame here is hilarious…

  64. John Smith

    So, why am I here?

    You answer your own question…

    Truthfully, I have been Black Pilled, and I do not like it,

    You are searching for a way out of the denial and anger stage…

    I came to realize there is there no truth or law. There is only the raw exercise of political power.

    This is what “the Red Pill is bitter” is all about… Why do your eyes hurt, after all????

    This board has caused me to rethink the comfort of the Black Pill.

    and so it begins… Stick around, you might learn a few things.

  65. @IAS: Yes, it is a strange irony that a percentage of the ‘hardcore’ Feminists would seek to legalize prostitution on the basis of proclaimed ‘equality’, female agency and empowerment, blah, blah…

    This is the same type of Feminist that backed the ERA in the late 70’s. Probably the largest case where the interests of Feminism was at odds with the interests of the average woman and the FI. These type of Feminists can be convinced to support ‘equality’ if they see it as advancing their own ideology and ego.

    However, the FI does not seek equality and cannot be convinced to do so. The average woman likes to pick her rights and obligations from a metaphorical salad bar. Only taking what she wants and leaving the rest to men.

    Solutions will not come from ‘convincing’ women of anything, nor will it come from having female ‘allies’ in a movement. IMO.

  66. Nova

    Why are people so worried about the law?

    Because it is a “just real enough” abstraction so it provides plausible deniability to avoid action. Manstering.

    The “Boogey Man” is just too abstract to use…

  67. “Why are people so worried about the law?”

    Because they pretend the answers are here:

    “Solutions will not come from ‘convincing’ women of anything. I would lean more on technology: personal recording devices, better male birth control, sexbots (even if it just a fringe minority that use them), etc.”

    The purpose of stable hetero marriage culture is a non-fucked-up future generation. Stop using sex as an end and you’ll find it’s not as complicated as above.

    Sexbots, technology are for Gammas. Technology isn’t advancement. It’s collapsing inward on yourself. It’s de-evolution.

    Falling in love with a Rube Goldberg machine of sex is wasted potential.

    Don’t be Gamma.

  68. Prostitution, fap and other buffers delay the realization that you’re voiding your life of meaning until you’re where John Smith is.

    Take heed, men. There’s consequence in physical sex, potential. Anything else is DEERing.

  69. EhIntellect
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOfvq5ZO-Qw
    “Prostitution, fap and other buffers delay the realization that you’re voiding your life of meaning until you’re where John Smith is.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crXra1tniGA
    “Sexbots, technology are for Gammas. Technology isn’t advancement. It’s collapsing inward on yourself. It’s de-evolution.

    Falling in love with a Rube Goldberg machine of sex is wasted potential.

    Don’t be Gamma.”
    https://blacklabellogic.com/2018/01/04/gendernomics-emergent-strategies/

  70. @John Smith
    Glad you’re here — maybe I’m just sensitive to this but there suddenly seem to be a lot of men here who are at or near the Big 63.
    — Did you read Rollo’s recent posts on getting Zeroed Out? Worth studying if you just hopped aboard.
    — What do you mean by “Black Pilled?”
    I know that finding TRM in 2017 — and studying the vital 6-year archive here — has helped me clean up some bad behaviors, improve my attitude and project my positives.

    Legal System: One thing all these experiences have in common is that even if you “win,” as Mark Steyn says, “the process is the punishment.”

    Simple Solutions to Complex Problems:
    My father was a dynamic, action-oriented guy but he had a brilliant touch for quietly sitting people down and calming them down so they could see the obvious steps toward solving their problem — without making them feel like idiots for previously resisting or ignoring those simple steps. People will perversely view a simple solution as so obvious it just can’t work, until someone they respect says, Well, why not try it?

    The key is often just step back, stop blaming yourself, do some general reading or review of the subject at hand, or of course put the problem aside for a while and let your subconscious do the work. I often wake up at 4 AM suddenly knowing exactly what I need to do or say.

    @Rugby
    You can run all the Esther Perel lectures you want — not sure yet if she makes any sense or if I should just happily watch with the sound off. Hey, and she’s pushing 60.

  71. “The purpose of stable hetero marriage culture is a non-fucked-up future generation. Stop using sex as an end and you’ll find it’s not as complicated as above.”

    I agree with the first part. However, if the second part were true there would be no need for the red pill or blogs like this one. I wish it was that simple.

  72. “You can run all the Esther Perel lectures you want — not sure yet if she makes any sense or if I should just happily watch with the sound off.”

    Ha! Ha! O.B.I.T.

    It does date you as old, but it does makes sense. I don’t find her that visually attractive but her Belgian Flemish accent and her intellectual insight into relationship game, her dry humor and her direct language gives me a boner. I can listen to her Youtube videos via bluetooth earbuds without looking at her. She’s psychologically attractive. And she has some good content, of course it is balanced in that it’s mostly cat language or PC language and romantic masculine/feminine polarity in equilibrium and stuff. One can easily translate it into dog language if one is well versed in Red pill awareness. A lot of what she says holds up to Red Pill scrutiny, if translated.

  73. OK, can someone here help out a fellow gut. What/where is the best site or book to explore and red to “red pill the fuck up”. Even though I have been married for nearly 15 years, I want to avoid what I, too, see as the trap of wifey ‘ok, I gotta do it sex’ turning into martial rape because…well, just because.

    Thanks all!!

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