Dangerous Times – Part 2

The fulfillment of your own sexuality is nothing less than your battle for existence. – Pook

If you’ve been wondering what I’ve been doing lately over the past week I took it upon myself to read through the 7,000 word short story “Cat Person” that’s recently gone viral. The author, 36 year old Kristen Roupenian, was also offered a one million dollar book deal to expand the story even further. You too can read the whole thing if you have the stomach, but it reads every bit like the passive-aggressive indirection I’d expected it would coming from a less-than Hypergamously satisfied woman who’s well past the Wall. Rather than craft a concrete article about her own inner conflict (and by association all women’s conflict) of having ‘inconvenient’ casual sex, she thought she wanted, we get an overwritten fiction that sock-puppets herself as the main character.

If this book does publish, trust me, it wont be a new 50 Shades of Grey. Cat Person  resonates with women today because we now live in the #MeToo era of moral panic inspired by the same Future is Female outrage brokers who brought us pink pussy knitted caps and the women’s march in the wake of Hillary Clinton’s defeat. I decided to split this series of essays into two parts because at this moment in history we are beginning to see the culmination of the predictions I alluded to in my essay, The Political is Personal. We are seeing, in real time, just how a feminine-primary social order and a growing female supremacism consolidates its power. But as I outlined in that essay, this power is always predicated on the hope of ensuring the largest pool of women are legally and socially entitled to the unquestioned, and unmerited, optimization of Hypergamy.

Any man with a Red Pill Lens reading through Cat Person will easily pick out the social conventions and rationalizations unique to women’s ‘hamstering’ (“Flirting with her customers was a habit she’d picked up back when she worked as a barista, and it helped with tips.”) that the manosphere has been picking apart for almost two decades now. And, like most women, the female readership find nothing inconsistent or conflicting about any of it. Roupenian breezes through the ins and outs of women’s sexual pluralism and the differences between transactional (Beta) and validational (Alpha) sex without so much as an afterthought – and her readers eat it up with the same solipsism.

However, the overarching concern for women about this story is the issue of the newly coined term “enthusiastic consent”. Our poor Margot (the main character and proxy for the author, and ultimately all women) is torn up by a casual sexual encounter that at first she thought she wanted, but later, even after giving the guy the green light to have sex with her, she loses enthusiasm to bang him. Yet, not to be rude or to create an uncomfortable scene, she goes through with the inconvenient, lack luster, sex because it was easier to say yes than to say no.

There are other names for this kind of sex: gray zone sex, in reference to that murky gray area of consent; begrudgingly consensual sex, because, you know, you don’t really want to do it but it’s probably easier to just get it over with; lukewarm sex, because you’re kind of “meh” about it; and, of course, bad sex, where the “bad” refers not to the perceived pleasure of it, but to the way you feel in the aftermath.

Essentially, this shift from Yes Means Yes consent to Enthusiastic Consent ask the last questions in women’s social consolidation of Hypergamy:

“Must I still have to have transactional sex with Betas if all my provisional needs are more or less met?”

“If I’m an ’empowered’ woman, am I not entitled to the sex I want to have with Alpha men that validate both my hindbrain and my ego?”

“Can transactional sex with Betas be used as leverage to extort resources from them at any future date by redefining that undesired sex as ‘rape’?”

Curb Your “Enthusiasm”

The reason I believe that Roupenian’s future book will fall flat is because the viral conversation her short story elicits is about a new terminology that the Feminine Imperative hopes to insert into the public sphere – that of ‘enthusiastic consent‘ being the only legitimate form of consent a woman can give a man. Anything less than genuine enthusiasm (however this is arbitrarily defined by women) is at best illegitimate consent and at worst rape – even if every indicator a woman gives a man prior to, during and after sex says ‘yes’ she still means ‘no’ and, as we’ll see here, it will be incumbent on that man to be an adequate mindreader and sexual evaluator to determine her real degree of ‘enthusiasm’ both in the moment and into the future.

There’s a lot to unpack here, but I wanted to begin with a comment I received last week:

If you read feminist literature, the intent behind “enthusiastic consent” seems to have good intentions. Its based on the following purported beliefs:

  • That there is a huge incidence of coerced sex and sexual contact, which is mostly inadvertent rather than malicious. The best way to correct this is to teach men the principles of EC. 
  • That the idea of a sharp Alpha/Beta divide in men’s sexual attractiveness is a myth propagated by the misogynistic Right. Furthermore, girls and women have a realistic idea of their own SMV and will be attracted to their male equivalent.

Thus, feminists believe a free sexual market will see assortive mating with both men and women being able to get a similar amount of sex. This is why when men complain of the difficulty of getting sex, many women will retort that it must be because they are only chasing “supermodels”.

Look at Charlie Rose, is this a man with any Red Pill at all? Giving shoulder rubs to office girls, showing porn to a couple, this is all high school Beta stuff. But he had a TV show that lots of famous people wanted to get on. Clearly Beta-ized, but a situational Alpha. In my not so humble opinion most of the #MeToo girls are going after former situational Alphas because they turned out to be Blue Pill Beta after all…they feel cheated, and are just so sure that all the other girls got to ride a real Alpha pony on the carousel, so the fury comes out.

The ‘enthusiastic’ consent social push we are just on the cusp of today is the next progression in the larger goal of feminism – removing all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality. ‘Enthusiastic consent’ will be the raison d’etat for the legislation leading to the outlawing of any form of male sexual expression.

From The Political is Personal:

The inherent insecurity that optimizing Hypergamy poses to women is so imperative, so all-consuming, to their psychological wellbeing that establishing complex social orders to facilitate that optimization were the first things women collectively constructed when they were (nominally) emancipated from men’s provisioning around the time of the sexual revolution.

Ensuring the optimization of women’s biologically prompted Hypergamy is literally the basis of our current social order. On a socio-political scale what we’re experiencing is legislation and cultural mandates that better facilitate Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks.

[…]As Open Hypergamy becomes more institutionalized and made a societal norm by the Feminine Imperative, and as more men become Red Pill aware (by effort or consequences) because of it, the more necessary it will become for a feminine-primary social order to legislate and mandate men comply with it.

As much as I’d like to believe that normalizing ‘enthusiastic consent’ may lead to women overplaying their hand, I have to consider how the specificity of defining consent will also redefine past sexual norms and intersexual dynamics; not just among single individuals having loosely defined “consensual” sex, but also married couples and how sex (or lack thereof) defines their relationships. As if the men of today needed one more reason to be wary of marriage and how it will eventually affect their sex lives, now we can add the potential for ‘marital rape’ accusations based on EC (enthusiastic consent) to that list; and all in light of women’s less than enthusiastic response to any of her husband’s advances. God forbid a mewling Beta pouts his way into this grey zone ‘duty sex’ with his unenthusiastic wife.

What were witnessing here is the insertion of college campus consent laws into Marriage 2.0, and as designed its intent is to further disrupt marriage and family. Even in the old books presumptions about marriage a man could expect his commitment to a wife and family meant a plenary exchange of sexual access. But when enthusiastic consent is a prerequisite for legitimizing sexual encounters, anything resembling a woman’s putting out duty sex for her husband, even starfish lack luster obligatory sex is defined as rape.

I got the following comment from last week’s Red Pill Reddit forum repost:

The fundamental driver is removal of female responsibility for her actions, pushing all responsibility onto men. Whatever happens between a man and a woman, women universally agree that the man is to blame for any and all results, including her subsequent regret.

Responsibility used to be on women to say “no” if she wanted to claim rape. This responsibility has been removed. No longer does she have to verbalise lack of consent. No longer does she even have to verbalise actual consent. She can decide after the fact…. years after the fact…. whether her consent was in fact enthusiastic enough, and she can base that on her future feelings. “But did you enthusiastically scream yes?” her friends will ask, which is more than the police or the public will subsequently ask of her.

Women side with women. Whiteknights, weak Betas and naive Blue Pill fools side with women. Everyone agrees women are right and men are wrong.

And this is the intended result: women are not to be held responsible for their actions. They are not to be held responsible at any cost – including the destruction of male lives.

I presented this point in Men and Suicide, but just to recap, on a subconscious level women will always seek to absolve themselves of complicity in men’s personal destruction. This extends from destroying mens lives due to regrets over not optimizing Hypergamy, to any concern over men committing suicide. At present, women are attempting to reconcile ‘bad sex’ with ‘inconvenient sex’ they have in spite of themselves. However, the same absolution of any inherent complicity in this ‘transactional’ sex ends with blaming men for women’s lack of agency or self-moderation:

Bad sex isn’t even necessarily coercive. I’m talking about having a sexual encounter you don’t want to have because in the moment it seems easier to get it over with than it would be to extricate yourself.

Young women say yes to sex they don’t actually want to have all of the time. Why? Because we condition young women to feel guilty if they change their mind. After all, you’ve already made it back to his place, or you’re already on the bed, or you’ve already taken off your clothes, or you’ve already said yes. Do you really want to have an awkward conversation about why you want to stop? What if it hurts his feelings? What if it ruins the relationship? What if you seem like a bitch?

The problem in this rationale isn’t about women changing their mind or feeling guilty – those are excuses for male-initiated victimhood for women and absolve women’s complicity – rather, the focus should be on the fact that women going through with this type of sex presently have the option to ruin a man’s life at any future date by defining it as ‘unwanted sex’. Ella Dawson may not want to conflate transactional, Beta sex as rape, but that’s where this conversation is leading us to.

Is it OK for Alpha Males?

I apologize for forgetting who it was that sent me this link, but the present day #MeToo moral panic combined with notions of “enthusiastic consent” and a resulting atmosphere of fear in intersexual dynamics was predicted as far back as 2004, and by a woman no less:

Sexual harassment is a crime committed by beta-males who think they can get away with alpha behavior. But that is a distinction too delicate for the blunt instrument of the law. How do you explain to a judge why one man’s comedy is another man’s bone-chilling lechery? And can we really expect the beta-males themselves to understand the difference?

I found this article very prescient about our present moral panic. In the last two posts I’ve made the case that what were finally seeing on a social scale is the consolidation of women’s entitlement to an almost socialistic guarantee of optimized Hypergamy. Through any number of direct and indirect institutions we’ve now virtually guaranteed women a right to Beta men’s resources, protection and provisioning as well as a dominant social status above them both at home and in the workplace. Whether overtly or covertly, women dominate Beta men; the last piece of consolidating Hypergamy is then the (at least partial) control of Alpha Fucks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/7kpmwa/dangerous_times_part_1/drhirym/

As we move into 2018 – an era to be defined even more thoroughly by the Future is Female, #MeToo and Enthusiastic Consent – I believe we’ll see a push for the following:

  • Sexual harassment will indeed be a crime committed by Beta males who fail at a convincing ‘Alpha’ behavior. As such the push will be to get Beta men to self-police their behavior via fear. There will be a doubling down on the part of Blue Pill White Knights and ‘Feminist Allies’ in the wake of the social and legal options women will have to be believed of men’s sexual misconduct allegations by default. Feminized men will “try harder” and rat out their rivals for any hint of misconduct in an Orwellian effort to be more appealing and identifying with women.
  • Only confident Alpha men, or men well versed in Game, will be allowed to approach women from a perspective of social acceptability. However, even then it will be a woman’s prerogative to later define that approach or subsequent interaction as harassment if that Alpha doesn’t comply with a woman’s long term security needs, provisioning and parental investment ‘entitlements’. The latent purpose of a suspension of the statutes of limitation for sexual harassment will center on locking down (perceptually) Alpha men in a long term relationship.
  • This new feminine-primary sexual paradigm will further limit Beta men’s sexual access and increase reproduction stress in the few Beta men who don’t pragmatically drop out of the sexual marketplace altogether. This will also reinforce boys/men’s conditioning of loathing their own gender. They will be taught to accept this feminine-primary sexual strategy, as well as the legal restrictions  on his power of choice and his life’s direction as the societal norm.
  • Legal mandates and societal mores will directly and indirectly ensure Beta men’s compliance in all aspects of parental investment in children he was not biologically responsible for, as well as women’s long term security.

Now, more than ever it is imperative that men become Red Pill awakened and see the writing on the wall with a Red Pill Lens. All of this may seem horribly unavoidable, but let me emphasize, it’s not for men who are aware of, and have internalized intersexual dynamics and can plan accordingly.

In the last installment of this series I’ll be delving into some of the larger socio-sexual implications of where we find ourselves today and where I see present day intersexual relations leading us in a larger scale as well as what Red Pill men can do to win at whats becoming a very dangerous game.

 

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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@FireInBlood “Next step, punitive castration” Nope. This is not about punishment. Enthusiastic consent may very well snag some men by the gills and they will be gutted and filleted sure enough, but this is incidental. A few heads on pikes at the gates is a nice touch, but the point isn’t to punish men or to cull the tax cattle into oblivion, but rather to prime the men into compliance, to inculcate the idea that being gelded tax cattle is the REWARD. This is about doubling-down on the massive transference of benefits to women while burdening men with the responsibilities.… Read more »

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It’s not that bad….lol…..and if you’re not famous you don’t have a ton to worry about.

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Yeah, the dancing prompted the fight.

My sheer stupidity, lack of calibration, drinking got me the DUI, arrest. I was strong Alpha offense, zero Alpha defense.

I take cabs now. If I’d called a cab from the bar, waited I’d have avoided it.

Water under the bridge, too much life yet to live.

In retrospect, I’d been better off not looking for her which is the recommendation when your woman freaks out and flees.

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@mersonia

I agree.

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“‘Enthusiastic consent’ will be the raison d’etat for the legislation leading to the outlawing of any form of male sexual expression.” Maybe. Things have to go perfectly for them to bring this about, and the chances of perfection are very low. Even ‘yes means yes’ is only in some college kangaroo courts after implementation years ago. It’s good to discover the FI traps, but let’s not step in them before they’re sprung. Taking this too seriously, and with fear, leads to a breakdown in amused mastery, which is what the girls are begging for anyway. ASDgamer is right when he… Read more »

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“Whether overtly or covertly, women dominate Beta men; the last piece of consolidating Hypergamy is then the (at least partial) control of Alpha Fucks.” alpha fucks cannot be controlled. women will resort to taking sperm from the alpha-trending natural sons of proven chads before they are legal adults. they will say it’s for their future well being i.ie. advanced gene therapy treatement or some shit but what they’ll really do is get that good spunk where it belongs. hypergamy always wins FR: ran into a hb6 for the first time in over a year. only met once. of course did… Read more »

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AR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3VOf3CBGvw
“Think big, forget the details.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n76gUQCxE8
“Choose to be kind over being right and you’ll be right everytime.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U54RMrBK9vU
“You are what you practice most.” Richard Carlson

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” So you are right — it is a lot more difficult and risky than most older guys will admit…..”

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@EhIntellect Yeah, the dancing prompted the fight. My sheer stupidity, lack of calibration, drinking got me the DUI, arrest. I was strong Alpha offense, zero Alpha defense. I take cabs now. If I’d called a cab from the bar, waited I’d have avoided it. Water under the bridge, too much life yet to live. In retrospect, I’d been better off not looking for her which is the recommendation when your woman freaks out and flees. Sure sure, there are always things you can do better next time. Consider though that a few years ago, doing what you did, uncalibrated as… Read more »

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Hank

“You simply can’t be as carefree and just go out there and test boundaries like you could before — you have to “take cabs now”, so to speak. That’s all.”

Pure keyboard jockeying. Check yourself.

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Rollo, in your many thought-provoking and stimulating discussions on intersexual politics, you seem to be omitting a very very very significant and powerful player. This is your true enemy, not useful idiot pawns that are women. Why has such irrationality/insanity that is the MeToo# movement been allowed to flourish, grain traction and instrumental in the fall of so many powerful men ? Do you seriously think women have gained such political power through their own will, organisation and merit ? You and your followers blame Beta males for handing the reins of power to them – yet Beta males are… Read more »

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Re: ” The law is not a shit test to be swatted. The law is a machine, a juggernaut. Thinking that being “alpha” will protect you from the law is utter foolishness ” Yes. That machine is a motherfucker that eats folks for breakfast. And yet, if you ever spend any time around ” The Law ” and drop fantasies, what you will find is that a majority of ” alphas ” do indeed get saved from the worst aspects of Teh lawz. This has always been so. Sure, some alpha types get made an example of, and some idiot… Read more »

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“Welcome to the Real World, pull up a chair and take a seat.” http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/27/sex-around-the-world-an-indonesian-festival-of-sex-with-strangers-6829855/ “Men do not look to be ” protected ” from shit, men protect themselves – mainly because nobody but your Mom and family will ever give more of a damn about you than you give about yourself.” https://www.ageofconsent.net/world As much pain as I’ve gone through which is nothing when death comes my mother still fits under this. “If people keep messing with you and disrespecting you and treating you badly and unfairly, you need to examine yourself FIRST.” It all starts with you… Respect for oneself… Read more »

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Razorwire Their consent amp goes to eleven. And the only push-back seems to be “why don’t you just make 10 the loudest?” Well, sure, for two reasons. First, we’ve all gotten a it numbed by the unending female demands for the last 20+ years, so 10 doesn’t seem that loud. Second, because few are antifragile enough to stand up to the Female Imperative ragemachine that is #MeeToo. Notice that most of the regulatory / lawfare tools that the pussyhat brigade could want are already in existence and in place, it’s just a matter of refining the trigger and tripwires. The… Read more »

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“I believe that men who will not fight injustice and legal fuckery en mass deserve what they get from it.” why fight an unbeatable opponent? honor? lol. the legal system protects the worst (apex) predators because it is continuously updated by them to work in their favor, even retroactively if need be. the bluffdale data center is essentially a time machine. they can move through the data as if they were following threads in real time. I recognized long ago how fucking smart, ruthless and well positioned they were after hundreds of years of funding wars on both sides, drug… Read more »

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“if you’re working for money, then you are far and will always be a slave”

Perfect.

Money has little actual meaning. Ask the guys who’ve survived divorces, dead bedrooms, faced death. It’s a tool at best, a distraction otherwise.

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Regarding the Blue Pill Professor post, I agree with his call to action. From all I’ve read on RP, it seems like a solid outline for self-respect, better interactions with women, and behavior of which you can be proud.
The easier-said-than-done in some cases is to indoctrinate your buddies.

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EhIntellect ““I got mine” is not a serious response to the #MeeToo warlock hunt. Paging Pastor Neimoller…” Sorry you missed my point Mr. Never FR. Oh, ok. What was your point? I’m doing what I can and a good example is a good start. I agree with that and will cosign. Now, what’s next? Where’s yours? What’s your battle plan, commander? When I drive on the freeway, I don’t stare at the pavement right off the end of the hood at what is in front of me right now, instead I look as far down the road as I can… Read more »

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Moreover, I’m with fleezer that the SMP is easily navagable. His FR is spot on.

He’s being Alpha, not micromanaging his persona.

I don’t need to know all the internals of a car to drive it well.

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“I don’t need to know all the internals of a car to drive it well.” and as long as you’re not going 300 mph on the salt flats, learning how to drive one car pretty well means you can drive any factory spec rental equally as well. and research has shown that the more hours behind the wheel a new driver gets, especially at night, the better that new driver will perform once he has his license. hit it early and often, especially booty calls women are just like cars. basically the same, with minor differences in responsiveness, handling, etc.… Read more »

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@blax Men sat silent, being good little beta fuckers, while the laws slowly escalated to the point that we are talking about right now. Being ” good ” is no longer a respite when shit goes this wrong. Glad we can agree right out of the gate here. Thing is, as you note: And yet, if you ever spend any time around ” The Law ” and drop fantasies, what you will find is that a majority of ” alphas ” do indeed get saved from the worst aspects of Teh lawz. This has always been so. How do guys… Read more »

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“You OMGs like to throw out being “afriad” at any hesitation to act — when it is really just being cautious. If you are going out hiking, and hear it may snow, you pack extra gear and rations just in case you get stuck out there.” this is why you fail. I never bring extra gear. I despise extra gear. my suit and pack are dialed in where I want them and I don’t require extra rations because I’m not a toddler. I will never get stuck anywhere. I have a compass and topo maps. and people always know where… Read more »

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@ SJF

Not all art, music, literature is created equal.

Hence the OK CUPID 22 y.o. preference poll results.

We agree what beauty is more than what it isn’t.

Mattress girl is no Venus.

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“I’ll close with another story to illustrate my point. A couple years ago a high school kid decided it would be funny to go streaking during a football game. Just a teenager acting up — give him detention. Well this school cracked down on him and he ended up being registered as a sex offender. That completely fucked up his life, it would have effected where he could live, the jobs he could get…all that just for being a silly kid.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZJOaM3qvpU

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Wow, how do you leave the house if you’re so afraid of being locked up? I can’t speak for any of the other guys, but ((( I ))) throw the word ” afraid ” in your general direction because I can read it in your typed words. Fear. ” what if?…what if?…” that’s fear talking loud and clear. Hesitation is no longer hesitant once you completely stop moving. Oh, and I’ve never had an urge to ” streak “, so there’s that. And for the record, yup – I am a fearless dude because ” fear ” doesn’t serve any… Read more »

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Hank

“What if they get locked up long before they can become alpha?”

Gee Hank, ya think maybe getting locked up might bring out some Alpha?

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“your fear causes you to overpack. ”

Truth. Huge beta tell is over analysis, what if planning etc.

The fear is in being blamed for not being equipped. Not even in whatever it is failing. Fear of blame.

Pathetic.

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“what if aliens come down here and blast my ass with a death beam?”

lol

my variation to my son… he hates it but it serves as a reminder when he’s looking for excuses: “but what about ufos with lasers? hadn’t thought of that, might as well not even try”

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“your fear causes you to overpack. girls are like veteran thru hikers. you don’t have to say a word and they already know you’re afraid simply by the extra things you’ve chosen to bring with you

the smp requires no gear, no pack and no rations.”

Holy hell that’s spot on

“through learned understanding and internalized force of will.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O17j94YBCg

” Men are built to test and be tested, and learn from the experience.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUHWsqrVWxI

( Caution: If you’re playing or faking, some bad shit might befall you. Baptism by fucking fire for a majority.)

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Hank,

No one confuses me with fearless, but here goes.

When my wife was being dragged away, me rolling with tbe two fuckers I wasn’t fearful. I was figuring out, analyzing something I’d never experienced before I made any decisive move.

It wasn’t decisive Alpha by any means. Not fear though.

When I was arrested and forced the penguin walk, I wasn’t fearful. I was reminding myself to keep my head intact.

Trauma exsaguination happens. Do I fear failure? No. Do I try my fucking hardest to staunch the rent? Yes.

Fearlessness comes with understanding your value to you, others.

Does that help?

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Hank,

tl;dr

Find certainty, find fearlessness.

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“Find certainty”… that you’ll manage regardless and can always find a way… even if you’re in a new situ that you’re not prepared for… @Eh, great example dude.

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@blax And for the record, yup – I am a fearless dude because ” fear ” doesn’t serve any purpose at all in my life… …Listen son, the worse thing that can possible happen to you is that you manage to get yourself killed somehow. Everything else ( mostly..) can be dealt with… …Caution is fine by degrees. Too much caution is a hindrance in life. Men are built to test and be tested, and learn from the experience. Interesting statement. Consider your comments here: But full disclosure: I’m much much more aware since this feeding frenzy has commenced. My… Read more »

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@Blaximus I have stayed out of this echo chamber of Alpha/Beta debate but you have gone over the top with your “fearless alpha” garbage. As someone with legal experience posted; the law is a “machine, a juggernaut” and no amount of alpha will save you. For you, and all the other “super alphas” posting here I have a challenge that I can back up because I have been in the belly of beast (see my earlier post #8 from the beginning). Tell us about your experience with the legal system when hit with a false DV or rape charge. I… Read more »

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@ Hank

Reading comprehension. It’s important.

@ John Smith

Because you approach me as an asshole, I don’t feel the need to satisfy your request.

Suffice to say that I’m very experienced with that juggernaut and just how fucked up it is. You assume a lot of false shit because you appear to be used to dealing with High School Jock Bravado or some such.

Belly of the Beast. GTFOH with that shit . You have no fucking idea.

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“”Fearlessness comes with understanding your value to you, others.””

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyVlgs7gJi8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSijB9-Hw7g

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Rollo,

I’m all for you not being prescriptive and support your philosophy of “Not making men better but men making themselves better” however, given the circumstances we are in presently; perhaps it wouldn’t be a bad idea for you to be prescriptive?

With that being said, I strongly encourage you to please put more emphasis on what Red pill men can and should do in these dangerous times and what is also becoming a dangerous game. Thanks for the consideration and I look forward to the last installment of this series.

Cheers!

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blax, I understand their point, I’ve sideswiped you about it before, too this whole “fear has no use for a man and has no place in my life” can be honestly construed to be wishful, perhaps ignorant, bravado, although I don’t think you mean it that way here’s what I think you’re saying, or at least how I interpret it: fear is nothing more than your primal brain giving warning that something isn’t right, maybe dangerous; to say it serves a purpose for survival only needs to be said for formality, duh!; to personify it, the *intent* of fear is… Read more »

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Hank………..you were scared to tell us what food you were allergic too or something ….

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@ Blaximus

Thanks for proving my point with such irrefutable clarity. Vindication is sweet.

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“I will bet good money that none of you “super alphas” have any experience inside the belly of the beast.”

@ John Smith

Easy man.

I’d venture a lot of Alpha behavior obviates dealing with intersexual legal matters as women by and large prefer Alpha behavior though thick and thin.

I’ve given my woman plenty of opportunities to leave. She refused.

Why do you think?

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Dr. Z – Hey man. Okay, let me see if I can get what I’m thinking across without being overly long winded. Growing up there were quite a few things I was afraid of, as are most children. I never was comfortable with fear or being afraid. In fact, I hated it with a passion. Heights, spiders, bullies/stick up boys with guns, police with bad intentions, lots of scary shit for a kid. By my teens I was completely fed up with fear, and I wanted it gone from my life in the worst way. There was no internet back… Read more »

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@EhIntellect Thanks for making me take a deep breath. I was a little harsh, but truthfully, I have little patience for those who have not been through the grinder yet still feel their uninformed opinion about its mechanisms and depravity deserves merit. Anyway, I totally agree with your assessment of Alpha behavior obviating having to deal with intersexual legal matters, but with some caveats. First is her age, second is length of relationship, and third is financial. In essence, my argument is that Alpha frame is not only situational but also transitory, all at her whim. We all know that… Read more »

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shite blax, a simple affirmative nod would’ve sufficed lol good background on how/why you trained yourself; had a few run-ins with the law dogs myself, sometimes deservedly so, other times just at the wrong end of a profile; no doubt you get a feel for the reality in which you are assumed to be a dirtbag and fodder for the machine; unless you’ve been in it, you’ve no idea how little the system gives a fuck about you, or even worse, sees you as a resource for their own advancements (prey) I hope you find compassion for smith, he’s still… Read more »

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Dr Z

It’s not that I don’t have compassion for Smith, or any guy that’s been through the ringer, it’s the whole ” Belly of the Beast ” analogy that kinda set me off. The ” high school/super alpha ” thing didn’t sit that well either, lol.

But your point is taken.

Sorry Smith.

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OK, now you guys are scaring me. That there is going to be another cross-purposes food fight here. Sure the legal system is a beast. But it is what it is. What are you going to do about it? Dangerous times suck. What are you going to do about it? Divorce rape sucks. What are you going to do with relationship Game? Come on. I don’t know why you guys are having a problem with Blax’s senior advice. It’s very good mindset stuff. It works. When you’ve done lots of scary shit and lived to tell about it, things look… Read more »

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Simple Solutions to Complex Problems: I previously posted some background including the definition of Pendulums used by Vadim Zeland here: https://therationalmale.com/2017/08/01/divorce-incorporated/comment-page-5/#comment-208982 This is a formalized discourse from Transurfing Reality that is similar to what Blaximus is trying to say (and said it well in my opinion). It is somewhat derived from psychology and ancient wisdom: Simple Solutions to Complex Problems Another practical value of these techniques for defeating or stopping a pendulum is acquiring the ability to solve all kinds of problems: complicated situations in your personal life, conflict, unfavorable circumstances or simply a set task. There are always simple… Read more »

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“The beast is designed to destroy a man, grind him up, and spit out a carcass. Just that simple. And every woman knows this power is at her beckon call.” I don’t pretend to know what your going through, went through. Look friend, there are universals in human behavior. We all have our incentives and most align as men. We see eye to eye probably more than you think. Now, I’m IN NO WAY out of hand disregarding your case against women here: Your fatalistic view vastly reduces your options outside of that perspective, doesn’t it? You’ve painted yourself in… Read more »

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John Smith . I gave her the Alpha tingles she wanted at 28 and wasn’t getting. After two years of dating and seven years of marriage (the seven year itch) I pissed her off over money. She switched to woman scorned mode, I ended up jailed, barely avoided prison, became unemployable, bankrupt, and destroyed. By Belly of the Beast, I thought you meant locked up. Your story is not unique. This is the path of the beta. sorry. Some Alpha tingles, then lots of beta or no Alpha tingles. Makes Johnny a dull boy. If she was STILL getting alpha… Read more »

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@Blaximuz @Dr Z In these times, and the even more turbulent times that are sure to come, we men need to have each others back. Throughout history men have competed with each other for women. Belittling each other, put downs, fighting, and even killing for women. This needs to stop. We have to find a way to unite. Women have always known this and taken advantage of it, just as nature intended. But now they have weaponized it. We men may disagree but we must never forget that we are all in this same boat together, even the BP white… Read more »

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@Sentinent Yes, I did go Beta but not for the reason you may think. The first miscarriage changed everything for us both. When she told me she was pregnant it was one of the happiest moments of my life. We both did the fertility thing. My sperm count was low percentage wise but there were a ton of the little swimmers. It turns out she was woefully deficient in a particular hormone necessary to carry to term. The normal number was 15, hers was 3. Things changed after that. At least one more miscarriage that she told me about. The… Read more »

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@BurnerPrime I agree with you about war. In wartime and the years following men are at a great numbers advantage in the sexual marketplace (that is if younare lucky enough not to be killed in war to begin with). My earliest memories were the years following the Vietnam war and I remember so many sensitive males and they were all getting laid. What a different culture it was. My concern is Americans no longer have the stomach for a large ground war so we will always have a very large surplus of reproductive aged males, especially with the added impact… Read more »

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In essence, my argument is that Alpha frame is not only situational but also transitory, all at her whim. You don’t understand game or biology or female psychology if you think that. Some women will kill their own children if told to do so by an alpha. If a guy doesn’t play any defense when he Nexts a girl, he might get smashed by the juggernaut even if he’s an alpha. YOU EVEN HAVE TO GAME YOUR EX!!!!! Burden of performance. No question that the legal deck is stacked against you. Stay out of court. Game your ex. Gaming your… Read more »

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John smith

You pissed her off over money you said? Yet there was more. Miscarriage.

Lot of unpacking to do John. I wouldn’t arrive at any conclusions jest yet if I were you.

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Being alpha is more than notch count or lays or giving girls tingles–it’s making the world your bitch.

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Coming somewhat from the left wing, what are the thoughts here about:

“How to Raise a Sweet Son in an Era of Angry Men”
http://time.com/5045028/raising-boys-faith-salie/

“Creeps are born not made”
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/01/03/creepology/

and bonobos:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/12/29/gobonobos-in-2018/

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It Just downed on me, that one of the reason men allow this whole mess to happen is that even tho beta males say the think women are better than men, they in the inner minds they don’t see women as a threat, we as men have wired up that women even women in power will never be as threatening as a man in power. I was watching a photo of a bunch of men in a office with shirts that read “The Future is Female” and I begun thinking, a woman would never wear a shirt that reads: “The… Read more »

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Well I was just about to go to sleep. But I started thinking holy shit. And about the tack of today’s comments. And then I just remembered: Back twenty years ago we had a miscarriage at three months on our third pregnancy. I don’t recall remembering that in forever until John Smith brought up the subject. I don’t think I’ve thought about it for the last 18 years. I do remember it being one big shit test by the gods, but I recall being stoic about it. And then both of us moved on with the three year old boy… Read more »

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“But it is not the ruler of you. Don’t let your limiting beliefs be the ruler of you. ‘Cause that’s unbecoming of your red pill gaming self.”
Rest well SJF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_ePEq-ZMec

“she (Mother Nature) was real and spectacular. Cruel bitch but energy giving. Just like AWALT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxMVC8BBZ0I

And life is not so bad as it’s made out to be.”

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John — The thing is, it’s all about frame. Miscarriages can be managed as well if you maintain alpha frame. Marriage in general in this day and age has a beta-izing effect, which means you have to actively manage your frame nonstop once you are married … you should have been doing that before anyway, of course, but it seems that many guys do not do that once they are married for a few years. Frame, frame, frame — be relentless about frame and you will not get sucked into the worst parts of the law, even if you get… Read more »

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Alpha frame is the cure-all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T14Z_wX8rU
“It is the solution, it is the answer, it is the only choice of anyone who is actually a rational male.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3paB1snwj8

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@Novaseeker I have felt myself a stranger in a strange land for quite some time. And now I find myself a stranger on a strange board that is not in my wheelhouse. Truthfully, I have been Black Pilled, and I do not like it, but it keeps my lungs filled and my heart beating. This board seems to be the antithesis of the Black Pill. So, why am I here? The destruction of life commenced on November 23, 2011. I fought against my own lawyers as hard as I fought the so-called justice system. At the time I did not… Read more »

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@ john smith Is the Black Pill nihilism (or MGTOW)? I don’t judge, it’s an entirely rational response in some circumstances. In any case, I sincerely wish you all the best. @ Rugby Interesting vid about the domestic violence experiment. It is something AVFM harps on about a lot. But I just realised why people reacted or didn’t react the way they did. None of the bystanders seriously thought there was any danger to the man. Those same bystanders flipped their shit not only because of Blue Pill conditioning and wanting to White Knight, but because just about any grown… Read more »

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On fear and precaution… There may be a fine line between fear and precaution. Is it fear when I discuss it? Is it fear when Hank discusses it? Was it precaution when Blax discussed it? @Blax: how much fear do you read on my comments about these dangerous times? How much fear do you read on Rollo’s articles? @Hank: I partially agree with you, but I do agree with others, your comments read like you are carrying too much concern/overthinking/precaution with you. If you are, most girls will read that in your subcomms (tiny hesitations? I don’t know). Take care… Read more »

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@Sentient and to anyone who cares, on being above the threshold. I suggest others to read these great comments by IRL on the FR section https://therationalmale.com/field-reports/comment-page-60/#comment-226011 https://therationalmale.com/field-reports/comment-page-60/#comment-226080 Now that is progress… In 1 year! As for me… I’m not the poster boy for “No fear” or amazing progress, but maybe that is precisely why this will be helpful to others. IRL’s posts were very inspiring to me as I could relate to them. I became aware of the RP around September 2015. I knew little about game previously, from some mentions, and discounted it as I thought NAWALT. From looking… Read more »

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“Even if you do it slowly… Do something. Improve.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_rePWtF-Q8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2b3KQegRaM

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@John Smith So you found out about the legal system? So did I. Big fucking deal. Welcome to the real world. You fucked up and failed to game your ex and want to shift the blame to the legal system. Grow a pair and admit your failure and work on your game. Now you want to give up? At 63? You don’t want to improve yourself? Ok, go crawl in a hole and die. That’s essentially what you’re doing. Me, I’m continuing to work on improving myself. Sometimes life sucks. You still have the burden of performance. Even when life… Read more »

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IAS Good point about precaution and fear. Hank keeps reposting what I wrote, but he still doesn’t understand what I said. That’s okay though because hank. When I’m out on the road zipping along at 90 mph, and my detector goes off, I adjust my speed downward towards the legal limits. Now, I don’t do this because I’m afraid of anything. I don’t think that I’ll get arrested or shot by the police for speeding. The detector let’s me know to be cautious to avoid a summons. And I’ll check my speed until either I can get a visual on… Read more »

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Why are people so worried about the law? If you maintain the proper frame, you won’t get into legal problems, because she won’t be calling 911 on you — that only happens when you don’t maintain frame.

Alpha really is the answer, as much as guys like to avoid that truth.

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The alpha also suffers a lot even in this stupid FI utopia. I have felt that this place is a great solace for us betas by the way (and I believe all of us in here are betas by the way). But there is no place for alphas to go. An alpha is on his own. I am not trolling by the way. The alpha is a victim of his good looks and street smarts. Everyone wants a piece of him though, and they will eventually get it. I suspect that he often feels like the worst bastard on earth.… Read more »

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@John smith, So, you’re 63 and a millionaire. Doesn’t sound so bad to me. I’m also a victim of the FI driven legal grinder. Still paying alimony that will end next year. She’s suing me again for an alimony modification. Initial divorce cost 60k plus in legal fees. Legal fight against alimony mod is at 9k already and we’re not done yet. Still paying down balance of first legal fight. My net worth is about 20k because of divorce rape. I’m 60 years old and still working. She made BS charges about DV and misappropriation of marital funds. I basically… Read more »

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I think the end game for the FI is to turn all heterosexual relations, including marriage, into the nordic model of prostitution. Men are criminals by default and the idea that a man can definitively protect himself if he ‘obtains’ affirmative or enthusiastic is just an illusion. You are guilty the moment she decides you are guilty, even years later. You cannot truly gain ‘consent’ if it can be revoked at any time. The man-hating lesbian radfems finally get their wish…all heterosexual intercourse is rape…if the woman says it is. The solution for many seems to be: ‘be alpha, and… Read more »

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Here’s one where the female judge sided with the beta orbiter on appeal, but only because the woman heading up both USC’s Title IX Office, and Office of Equity and Diversity, made so many mistakes while railroading said beta. “One of the errors made by the private institution? The Title IX coordinator and investigator repeatedly called the male student and his adviser “motherfuckers” after they forgot to hang up on a call with them.” http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/40537/ “Judge White also notes that Roe herself didn’t immediately refer to the encounter as “rape” because she didn’t want to “make it a big deal.”… Read more »

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” A man deals with reality and moves on.” All he can do https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24603170 “You cannot truly gain ‘consent’ if it can be revoked at any time.” “But there is no place for alphas to go. An alpha is on his own. I am not trolling by the way. The alpha is a victim of his good looks and street smarts. Everyone wants a piece of him though, and they will eventually get it. I suspect that he often feels like the worst bastard on earth. The girl is in love, and he is lost in desire. He knows he… Read more »

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@Lost Patrol: that post was funny in a very sad way. After all that, judge White is putting John Doe through the Tile IX “court” again!

And on the subject of funny in a sad way…
@Vektor: nordic model indeed. This article.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/cas-mudde/the-paternalistic-fallacy_b_9644972.html

How convoluted!

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I hate the prevalent assumption among men that Game is primarily about getting laid. Getting laid is part of it, but far from the whole story. Game helps with defense, too, as EI has pointed out. I think this is an appropriate time to link to a post I recently wrote where I opined some ideas about how a man might implement taming a shrew (all girls are shrews to some extent) in these dangerous times.

https://theasdgamer.wordpress.com/2017/12/28/kiss-me-kate-or-the-taming-of-the-shrew/

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IAS

I couldn’t find it… Can someone post that video from GoodLookingLoser on the worst reaction he ever got? Because you will basically *never* get a reaction as bad as that one (notice he decided to keep pushing her buttons for whatever reason, a newbie wouldn’t). And even there, nothing really serious happens to him other than being shouted at.

Chris’s frame here is hilarious…

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John Smith

So, why am I here?

You answer your own question…

Truthfully, I have been Black Pilled, and I do not like it,

You are searching for a way out of the denial and anger stage…

I came to realize there is there no truth or law. There is only the raw exercise of political power.

This is what “the Red Pill is bitter” is all about… Why do your eyes hurt, after all????

This board has caused me to rethink the comfort of the Black Pill.

and so it begins… Stick around, you might learn a few things.

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@IAS: Yes, it is a strange irony that a percentage of the ‘hardcore’ Feminists would seek to legalize prostitution on the basis of proclaimed ‘equality’, female agency and empowerment, blah, blah… This is the same type of Feminist that backed the ERA in the late 70’s. Probably the largest case where the interests of Feminism was at odds with the interests of the average woman and the FI. These type of Feminists can be convinced to support ‘equality’ if they see it as advancing their own ideology and ego. However, the FI does not seek equality and cannot be convinced… Read more »

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Nova

Why are people so worried about the law?

Because it is a “just real enough” abstraction so it provides plausible deniability to avoid action. Manstering.

The “Boogey Man” is just too abstract to use…

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“Why are people so worried about the law?” Because they pretend the answers are here: “Solutions will not come from ‘convincing’ women of anything. I would lean more on technology: personal recording devices, better male birth control, sexbots (even if it just a fringe minority that use them), etc.” The purpose of stable hetero marriage culture is a non-fucked-up future generation. Stop using sex as an end and you’ll find it’s not as complicated as above. Sexbots, technology are for Gammas. Technology isn’t advancement. It’s collapsing inward on yourself. It’s de-evolution. Falling in love with a Rube Goldberg machine of… Read more »

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Prostitution, fap and other buffers delay the realization that you’re voiding your life of meaning until you’re where John Smith is.

Take heed, men. There’s consequence in physical sex, potential. Anything else is DEERing.

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EhIntellect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOfvq5ZO-Qw
“Prostitution, fap and other buffers delay the realization that you’re voiding your life of meaning until you’re where John Smith is.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crXra1tniGA
“Sexbots, technology are for Gammas. Technology isn’t advancement. It’s collapsing inward on yourself. It’s de-evolution.

Falling in love with a Rube Goldberg machine of sex is wasted potential.

Don’t be Gamma.”
https://blacklabellogic.com/2018/01/04/gendernomics-emergent-strategies/

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@John Smith Glad you’re here — maybe I’m just sensitive to this but there suddenly seem to be a lot of men here who are at or near the Big 63. — Did you read Rollo’s recent posts on getting Zeroed Out? Worth studying if you just hopped aboard. — What do you mean by “Black Pilled?” I know that finding TRM in 2017 — and studying the vital 6-year archive here — has helped me clean up some bad behaviors, improve my attitude and project my positives. Legal System: One thing all these experiences have in common is that… Read more »

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“The purpose of stable hetero marriage culture is a non-fucked-up future generation. Stop using sex as an end and you’ll find it’s not as complicated as above.”

I agree with the first part. However, if the second part were true there would be no need for the red pill or blogs like this one. I wish it was that simple.

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“You can run all the Esther Perel lectures you want — not sure yet if she makes any sense or if I should just happily watch with the sound off.” Ha! Ha! O.B.I.T. It does date you as old, but it does makes sense. I don’t find her that visually attractive but her Belgian Flemish accent and her intellectual insight into relationship game, her dry humor and her direct language gives me a boner. I can listen to her Youtube videos via bluetooth earbuds without looking at her. She’s psychologically attractive. And she has some good content, of course it… Read more »

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OK, can someone here help out a fellow gut. What/where is the best site or book to explore and red to “red pill the fuck up”. Even though I have been married for nearly 15 years, I want to avoid what I, too, see as the trap of wifey ‘ok, I gotta do it sex’ turning into martial rape because…well, just because.

Thanks all!!

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