Male Control

Back in October, 2016 I wrote an essay called Sexual Zoning. In that post I explored the social inconsistencies and potential for (sometimes catastrophic) consequences for men in misunderstanding what were, and what have become, particular zones in which men and women covertly acknowledge the potential for an intersexual connection.

In the bygone Western social system, young people were expected to regularly interact with one another in controlled, regulated environments, in a way that fostered productive, long-term, monogamous, assortative relationships. This was a sort of “holistic” milieu, so to speak, where young people treated one another as potential future partners, sexual and otherwise, in a socially regulated manner, in all cases when they were permitted to interact. This was even the norm in workplaces where both men and women were present. The average man found a girlfriend through his extended family or social circle, because families and social circles were normally large.

What we have today is the complete opposite: “sexual zoning”. Some mixed-sex environments, like the workplace, schools and campuses, are made completely asexual – sterile, so to speak. No sexualized interactions are permitted to take place. This is demanded by law and expected by society. In such environments, you’re supposed to treat members of the opposite sex strictly as colleagues or professionals, non-sexual beings. (Hot men are allowed to get away with more, of course, but that’s another issue.) Other mixed-sex environments, on the other hand, like nightclubs, are expected to be full-on sexual. Everybody there knows that all interactions entail the future possibility of casual sex. It’s basically a meat market. You’re expected to hit on girls, and girls expect to be hit on by attractive men. Socializing in these environments requires action, engagement. If you want to find a partner, either just for sex or something more, you have to go there, you have to have Game etc.

The video I’ve chosen to dissect here is a prime example of how generations of men have been raised to deliberately misunderstand intersexual dynamics and at the same time demonize the conventional masculinity that so much of western culture has been founded upon. To be thorough though, really every culture throughout history has been primarily founded on conventional masculinity and the aspects that contribute to maleness.

Jonathan McIntosh finds an easy mark in the archetypal masculine characters of Harrison Ford, but there’s a very important reason the 80’s icon is so egregious to the men of McIntosh’s generation. Han Solo, Indiana Jones, etc. are all the Alpha male rogues this generation has been taught to love in terms of bravado, but to hate because they ‘always get the girl’; and they get her in such a way that it grates against all that their feminine-primary upbringing led them to believe was just this side of sexual assault.

McIntosh relates that he was part of a generation that idealized Harrison Ford’s most iconic characters, yet now he feels pangs of regret and resentment for having looked up the characters’ archetype. This is a perfect illustration of how conventional masculinity has been reverse engineered by our feminine-primary social order since the Sexual Revolution. I’ve mentioned in many prior essays that while overt masculinity is vilified as the cause of all social evils, it still remains the most arousing aspect of men for women. Boys like McIntosh saw this archetype and made that connection to female attraction, but it took generations of Blue Pill reconditioning to make them feel bad for ever attempting to adopt that bravado into their own personalities.

While growing up the message was the same Blue Pill identifying with the feminine (in fact Beta Game depends on that identification). Play nice, play equal, respect all women by default and never assert yourself too overtly or too crudely lest you risk offending her sensibilities. These are the boys who were raised by family, media and their schooling to expect a rationality that women could be expected to say what they mean and then do what they said. Yet that never seemed to gel when they would deductively see the girls they wanted, the ones who told them they wanted a ‘nice guy’ who respected them, consistently reward the asshole jerk with the intimacy and sex they thought would come to them if they followed what they were told.

In the end, Han Solo and Indiana Jones get the girl and she genuinely desires him – not because this is some odd fantasy of the writer’s imagination, but because this is (was) a standard aspect of women’s genuine attraction to men. The aberration is the idea that the attraction and affair would go any other way. Only in this feminized generation does thousands of years of male-female interaction seem at all unsettling.

So, here we have conventionally masculine archetypes – sometimes rakish, sometimes bold and dutiful – following their own path, making themselves their Mental Point of Origin, and making their mission (not their woman) their priority. Whether it was Captain Kirk, Han Solo or Conan the Barbarian the mental order was always firmly focused on the individual man and his action. Between the time of the Sexual Revolution and 2017, the Feminine Imperative has systematically erased the conventionally masculine archetype; so much so that the gender-loathing men of this generation are either appalled at displays of masculinity or they simply have no frame of reference with which to contrast it with the distorted and blurred ideas of what masculinity should mean to them.

For some ‘men’ the notion of conventional masculinity itself is rejected altogether. It doesn’t mean anything to be a man for this generation, so conventional archetypes of men are offensive.

As a result of these four to five generations of progressively more feminized men we now see the confusion and disgust at conventional masculinity coming from this generation of men. We see a generation of males who have no positive association with their own gender. They become increasingly more isolated because they are convinced that anything that might be gender-exclusive to men alone is, by default, a form of misogyny. There is nothing ‘positive’ about being a man, yet for all of the misconceptions about gender being social constructs, exclusively female organizing of women and fempowerment is still viewed as beneficial; a sign of society ‘evolving’.

I recently read an article in the Boston Globe about middle aged men’s increasing social isolation. I would argue that for all of the raising of awareness about this phenomenon it is primarily generations of men’s inability to interact with other men that is at the root of this isolation. For decades now men have been discouraged from meeting with other men in any formalized fashion. Men are either suspect of misogyny or homosexuality if they get together for the sake of being men. What were seeing now is generations of men who no longer understand how to socially interact with other men.

Furthermore, when this isolation becomes a concern of women, those men are again berated for not interacting with other men in the ways that women do. Women talk, men do, but a feminine-primary social order only approves of one way for men to associate with one another – in the way that women do. Thus, we see the confusion of women that men don’t call each other up to schedule a coffee date for the express reason of conversation. Men and women have different forms of communication, but the socially approved form is only ever from the feminine context. Men interacting “as men do” – in a conventionally masculine way – is always misogynistic. Thus, we see overseers in the locker room, if only symbolically, to regulate what and how men communicate with each other.

The End of Toxic Masculinity

Dalrock had a great quick-hit post recently about how Michael Moore was suggesting that men be required by law to seek their wife or long-term girlfriend’s (or most recent Ex) signed permission to purchase a firearm in the wake of last week’s mass shooting in Vegas.

That this idea would ever be a serious consideration speaks volumes about how masculine gender-loathing has become endemic in western culture. I get that Michael Moore is a self-inflicted cuck, but all I’m seeing in the wake of the Vegas shooting is less about gun control and more about male control.

It’s no longer about categorizing masculinity as “toxic” or “hyper” – that narrative is officially dropped after this shooting. Now, any masculinity is a threat, any expression of conventional masculinity is the true problem. Suggesting that a woman’s oversight and discernment should be necessary for a man to have access to a civil right only further reinforces what I’ve been saying for some time now – only the feminine is ‘correct’ in any social discourse. Only the feminine is legitimate in exercising judgement, educating new generations and deciding which man will breed and which will not.

Think about this; what’s being suggested is that men be denied a civil right that apparently only women should legitimately have. For all the fallacious blathering of women in pink pussy hats about how they think they’re losing rights today, here we have an actual right of men being denied by women, by the Feminine Imperative.

The ‘toxic’ masculinity narrative made a qualitative distinction between a feminine-acceptable form of masculinity and a potentially dangerous form. Needless to say the accepted form always consisted of whatever aspects of masculinity that was immediately beneficial to womankind. ‘Toxic’ masculinity was always characterized as Man Up or Shut Up masculinity:

Man Up or Shut Up – The Male Catch 22

One of the primary way’s Honor is used against men is in the feminized perpetuation of traditionally masculine expectations when it’s convenient, while simultaneously expecting egalitarian gender parity when it’s convenient.

For the past 60 years feminization has built in the perfect Catch 22 social convention for anything masculine; The expectation to assume the responsibilities of being a man (Man Up) while at the same time denigrating asserting masculinity as a positive (Shut Up). What ever aspect of maleness that serves the feminine purpose is a man’s masculine responsibility, yet any aspect that disagrees with feminine primacy is labeled Patriarchy and Misogyny.

Essentially, this convention keeps beta males in a perpetual state of chasing their own tails. Over the course of a lifetime they’re conditioned to believe that they’re cursed with masculinity (Patriarchy) yet are still responsible to ‘Man Up’ when it suits a feminine imperative. So it’s therefore unsurprising to see that half the men in western society believe women dominate the world (male powerlessness) while at the same time women complain of a lingering Patriarchy (female powerlessness) or at least sentiments of it. This is the Catch 22 writ large. The guy who does in fact Man Up is a chauvinist, misogynist, patriarch, but he still needs to man up when it’s convenient to meet the needs of a female imperative.

Now, in the Feminine Imperative’s unceasing efforts to Remove the Man a distinction between a useful masculinity and a dangerous masculinity is no longer something that resonates. All masculinity, all aspects, beneficial or detrimental, are to be considered the problem:

That the problem might just be masculinity, plain and simple, is not something we’re eager to countenance. While we might be prepared to apply a little structural analysis to the situation – yes, there is something about men and the way they are conditioned that leads us to this place – we’re unwilling to draw any final conclusions. Masculinity doesn’t kill people; it’s those mysterious toxins that are to blame.

[…]But strip away the so-called toxic aspects of masculinity: the aggression, the violence, the hate, the guns, and what are you left with? Strength, endurance, a woody-scented perfume, a liking for the colour blue? Certainly nothing that need be associated with manhood or maleness. These are simply individual qualities. The only reason to code them as “masculine” is to preserve a social hierarchy that ought to be destroyed.

[…]What would be so terrible about a world in which boys were treated no differently to girls from the day they were born? In which there are no pink/blue codifications to hide behind? In which a man’s anger and aggression were considered every bit as aberrant and unnatural as a woman’s?

The problem we’re facing isn’t toxic masculinity; it’s that masculinity is toxic. It’s time we questioned even its most subtle manifestations.

Going forward this will be the narrative. There will be no distinction between misogyny, masculinity and maleness. What this author, perhaps deliberately, doesn’t want to address is that masculinity and all the associated ways our thinking and our behaviors that manifest from the biological side of our nature aren’t something that can be dissociated from us without killing us or erasing what we were evolved to be. There are no truly positive or negative aspects of masculinity, just as there are no positive or negative aspects of Hypergamy. They just are, and what makes them beneficial or detrimental all depends on the context in which they are applied. That may seem strange coming from the author of a book titled Positive Masculinity but understand that what is positive about masculinity is made so by need and by circumstance.

In a world created in the image of the Feminine Imperative masculinity itself is a horrible evil, until it’s needed to save women from rising floodwaters.

You see, for as much as the imperative would like to remove the ‘man’ from our language, our cultural consciousness, that man will always be needed in spite of the hate directed towards masculinity. This is what a feminine-primary society would have us redefine as some other term, something not unique to a male human being. But conventional, evolved, masculine strength and purpose will always manifest in men who unapologetically embrace it without an afterthought.

In my interview with Craig James we discussed men’s higher order thinking and purpose as well as our vital animal nature. You don’t separate one from the other. This is what the Feminine Imperative would have from men; a unilaterally female controlled utility-based masculinity that saves them from the worst consequences of both their environments and their decisions and simultaneously disappears when inconvenient. We hear women bleating about a lack of Real Men and the disappearance of true grit, and in the next article linked we see efforts to erase men entirely from social influence.

As I told Craig, when I’m in the squat rack I’m glad I have a feral, animal nature. It’s a survival aspect of human evolution. I’m not suggesting with this essay that men will become extinct; on the contrary I think what will help define our new conventional masculinity will largely be determined by how we express it in spite of a world arrayed against Man-kind. An equalist culture based on blank-slate equalism doesn’t see that you don’t separate the animal side of the human being from the high-order side. It is unwilling to accept that we need both; that we benefit and sometimes suffer from both.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Lost Patrol
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Lost Patrol

As for the comment about Rod Stewart, he doesn’t count because he’s an internationally famous rock star, something which has much more to do with his history with women than his model railroading does, I’m sure.

It’s just a hot tip for the train guys when doing their approaches. “Rod Stewart does model railroading too, same as me, if you didn’t know.”

Simonbarsinister
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Simonbarsinister

Likewise for Neil Young, also a model railroader.

dr zipper
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dr zipper

“Every three years, Model Railroader puts me on their cover, which is better than Rolling Stone.” – R. Stewart “It’s a wonderful, wonderful hobby, I don’t know why people laugh at it. Jools Holland is a big model railway man, as is Phil Collins, Neil Young, Frank Sinatra Jr., Roger Daltrey.” I don’t think it matters the specific thing that brings out The Passionate; just get one or two or three things in life that take you over like a demon possession; you’ll know it when it happens… it’s a gift and I truly pity those who can’t or haven’t… Read more »

Blaximus
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Blaximus

40 years after hearing this, it still pops into my head when I hear ” Rod Stewart “.

https://www.snopes.com/music/artists/rockstar.asp

dr zipper
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dr zipper

I’m not gay, I just do it cuz I like the taste

Mookie
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Mookie

“This is what the Feminine Imperative would have from men; a unilaterally female controlled utility-based masculinity…”

Basically, women want men to be horses.

Novaseeker
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Novaseeker

Yah, chess is super competitive and Bobby was like the best on the planet, competing with other men, and it was well publicized, and he was famous. Not some neckbeard who is passionate about the model trainsets in his basement. Not the same thing at all, really. DPA, yes, but it isn’t 100% subject neutral. Of course if you’re already a famous rockstar like Young, Plant, Stewart … go right ahead. 🙂 On “feeld”, oh my. Obviously a cuck app if there ever was one. Then again, Dimo is probably one of those guys who now gets off on his… Read more »

cheupez
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Having options is not necessarily alpha…I think one of the things about alpha is not so much as how many options (plates) they have but how they relate with them. One of the more subtle characteristics of a beta plate relationship is that the plates spin the beta and not the other way round.

levijynxlevijynx
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@rollo but anyone can chime in and before anyone discredit this watch the full video about how feminist are pretty much damage control for globalist. One point was really interesting and would love your opinion on. Alex and Millie imply that because alpha men(not beta) are not white knighting women anymore that women are turning to lesbian man hating feminist for help. To fully get the context I recommend fully watching the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXOnYRA5eoE&t=1257

dr zipper
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dr zipper

yes, nova, rock stars are bad examples just from a statistical point of view

I’ve seen some of the pua/game vids that show even the blandest, uninteresting subject to girls can be ‘sold’ by the right delivery, with the right game, no? I’m no expert, still trying to DHV with my chess victories but not there yet lol

just what is that missing ingredient then? what makes DPA work? salesmanship?

cheupez
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@levijynx
I like the transition from, “Hollywood-dancing-around-the-fire-savage-vodoo-ritual-child-sacrifice” to “50% off on brain power” at the end.

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SJF

“40 years after hearing this, it still pops into my head when I hear ” Rod Stewart “. Yeah, back in the day we all had to be anti-disco Blaximus and revile against guys like Rod for this: https://youtu.be/Hphwfq1wLJs Everyone wanted to get evil on Rod for the effeminate sexy getting the girls rather than the Mick Jagger bad-boy-getting the girls. Yes it still pops in my head too. But, actually I heard him in a Howard Stern interview. Rod Steward is the real deal. The snopes thing told the truth and Rod Steward was tarred with the myth, but… Read more »

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447

and if you are a troll 447…. nice one! got me good ______________________________ Trolling is useless. Wastes the time of everyone involved for no gain. Why do it? ____________ I do see someone trying to make sense of a situation in which there does seem to be contradictions, but maybe only to those who have yet to understand the basics; ________ Have read all articles. Been reading them for pretty a long time. Rollo even quoted me once 🙂 Some contradictions keep coming up – they just return in different form once you are beyond the basics. (If “basics” mean… Read more »

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yes, nova, rock stars are bad examples just from a statistical point of view But always an interesting study from a Red Pill perspective. Not a fan of Rod Stewart’s music, but what a counterpoint to the recent Harvey W. chronicles. Look at that dr zipper video coupled with SJF’s commentary on Stewart. You need personal confidence and a certain je ne se ZFG to be a rocker. More so to succeed at it and still more to succeed on a worldwide scale, but seriously, the man is wearing a woman’s shirt, sporting a woman’s hairdo, sitting in the chair… Read more »

levijynx
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@cheupez that’s some snake oil sales right 😁 to be fair supposedly they get demonitized from YouTube so I see why they do it. Smart

theasdgamer
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@447

One of those contradictions I think about a lot is:
“If everything about that TRP-stuff is true – which it is, because applying the knowledge leads to success and that makes it factually true- why not treat women like pets?”

Why do you think that this is a contradiction?

That is why I am surprised about defence of typical female basic firmware behavior

What is the point of attacking biology?

Sentient
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Doc Z. Lost Patrol “just what is that missing ingredient then? what makes DPA work? salesmanship?” “What sort of strange Alpha cred is this that can override obstacles that the very Alpha himself puts in his own path?” I submit again that Alpha is the display of the Alpha Triad traits, dynamism, passion and authenticity. The irreducible elements. What you wear, what you do are not irreducible. Alpha is what makes DPA work. And by work mean Alpha is universally attractive to women. Now how you pick up on and relate to that attraction is where understanding the female langauge… Read more »

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But don’t listen to me, Listen to Rod himself… he tells a story… DPA life? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KyXJgzhWo8 “Every Picture Tells A Story” Spent some time feelin’ inferior standing in front of my mirror Combed my hair in a thousand ways but I came out looking just the same Daddy said, “Son, you better see the world I wouldn’t blame you if you wanted to leave But remember one thing don’t lose your head to a woman that’ll spend your bread” So I got out Paris was a place you could hide away if you felt you didn’t fit in French police… Read more »

Sentient
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Sentient

Doc Z…

So this:

1. Laser eye her on approach
2. Stand facing bar with your palms on the bar shoulder-wide apart.
3. Hold the handshake a bit longer.
3. etc, etc. just quick stuff I can remember

These are just actions that can be met with revulsion and disinterest unless there is that something giving them life, that spark… that radiance of Alpha…

https://newlyaloof.wordpress.com/2016/12/02/sentients-dynamic-passionate-authentic-framework/

Sentient
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Sentient

Finally to put this whole Rod Stewart is an 80’s guy to bed…

Crank to 11…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld228IoU8aE

How to feel at the end????

DisgruntledEarthling
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DisgruntledEarthling

“Every Picture Tells a Story” – my first album purchase way back when I had hair

Blaximus
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Blaximus

@ sjf Lol. I was never anti disco way back in the day and I had Rod embedded on homemade 8 track along with ” Miss You ” by the…. Stones. One of my friends growing up was the nephew of Bernard Edwards of Chic fame, so I had an opportunity to meet the whole group and get to know Nile Rodgers just prior to the group gaining fame. That music got me laid an awful lot. It was a reason for interaction with large numbers of females, dancing ( as long as one could actually dance ). Most men… Read more »

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Novaseeker

One more for the wash, here: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/style/modern-love-single-unemployed-and-suddenly-myself.html 37 year old writing about a fling she had with her 23 year old neighbor. She notes that: “With appropriate romantic prospects, I had been overly polished and protective. Just like the men, I spun stories broadcasting fake confidence. But I confided in my neighbor about how hard the year had been and how worried I was about finding a job and a man to love. With nothing at stake, I was charmingly vulnerable.” Interesting hamster spin on the AF/BB dichotomy in terms of how this particular woman approaches it. For AF (desire… Read more »

Blaximus
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Blaximus

Btw, the ” I’m losing you ” song is a remake of a Temptations track.

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SJF

@447 October 19, 2017 at 10:17 pm Odd that you seem to be in stages of unplugging. (denial, anger, bargaining, depression) You are not in Acceptance of what agency you actually have and what choices you can make going forward. Asking for absolute control in an inter-sexual relationship (of any sort) is a fools game. Absolute control seems to be what you are asking for out of Red Pill….. Proper power on your part (the ability to control your circumstances and your outcomes, i.e. control your reality) is not about absolute control, it is about choosing among things that present… Read more »

Blaximus
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Blaximus

Lol @ treating women as pets.

Anything but treating them as women .

SJF
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SJF

Lol @ treating women as pets.

Anything but treating them as women .

Shit, that makes me want to start quoting from The Way of the Superior Man….

Lost Patrol
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Lost Patrol

Rock stars and entertainers fall into an odd category Wrt ” alpha “. We all just slap the label on them because women go crazy and wild, and guys try to imitate them, It’s true. What else fits in the context of how we are exposed to them? Did they have the attitude to make it, or did making it give them the attitude? How many of them would be able to hold their own if dropped off in our respective worlds without their posse, handlers and bodyguards? Attitude: get a second hand guitar chances are you’ll go far if… Read more »

Lost Patrol
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Lost Patrol

Moral: do not be a BB. Just don’t. And be very wary of never married women approaching 40.

Amen. You may have been born and bred to be a BB, but it doesn’t have to stay that way.

Yollo Comanche
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Yollo Comanche

What else are you supposed to feed your kids with?

Money only isn’t game in a post pill world where women’s game is to get you to chase them.

Mr. Roboto
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Mr. Roboto

@Rollo

You said:

“Money and status don’t cure Beta. If anything they exacerbate the behaviors of a Blue Pill mindset.”

What´s your opinion about Justin Trudeau, would you consider him as Beta or a Blue Pill Alpha? In my opinion he is very Beta, but it seems women see him as Alpha.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.3148386.1494285574!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/trump-canada.jpg

Novaseeker
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Novaseeker

Trudeau is the Canadian PM. He is alpha by definition, he is a world leader. The issue is whether women would see him as alpha if he were working in the cubicle next door, or just Pierre Banlieue flipping dogs on his grill in the backyard. That’s the issue. Why do we keep running into this, folks? Rockstars are not you. World leaders are not you, either. Women see both as alpha because of podium effect, and real power and fame. That is all attractive to women, in spite of personality. It can generate real desire, unlike money. And in… Read more »

pinelero
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pinelero

Cukadian PM wants to raise his sons to be feminist – so Blue PIll white knight.

Lost Patrol
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Lost Patrol

Rockstars are not you. World leaders are not you, either.

Har! Reality. No matter what I do, it’s always just right there in my face.

And in any case, unless you are a rock star or a PM, you need to find other ways to generate attraction in women, anyway, so it’s really not very useful to fixate on people like this.

Court is adjourned.

GTR
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GTR

Think long term. Like next generation or even 2 generations later. What happens when majority of new generation is descendant from alpha males? Expecially how are women going to look and behave in those generations? Big, muscular, aggressive dominant bitches. So few generations ahead your sexual marketplace is going to consist of big, muscular, aggresive women, and a lot of big aggressive, dominant men competing for these big muscular women. Consider also that many women prefer man that somehow resembles their fathers. Do you want to live in such world? See this Viking woman reconstruction to understand what I mean,… Read more »

Novaseeker
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Novaseeker

Trudeau is a contextuall Alpha. Remove his condition, but keep his ideology and rhetoric and he becomes a Beta simp:

Yeah I agree, but the only qualification I would make is that in order to run for PM successfully, you have to have some alpha in you. My read of JT is that he is mostly beta in orientation, but has some alpha traits, and it’s the alpha traits, together with the looks and the charm, that get women wet about him.

kfg
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@GTR:

Kathy Schwarzenegger and Greta Lundgren:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/17/15/2E88778400000578-3322279-image-a-48_1447775939886.jpg

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Git Gud.

If-I-Fell
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If-I-Fell

Going back to the Comments between 447, SJF and Blaximus from 10/16/17: 447 described not stepping in to aid a damsel being accosted in a subway. @ SJF: “…And he seems to be reveling in the anti-morality of it.” I think freedom to act in one’s self interest is more accurate. One of the big red pill insights for me was that no one is automatically due my labors because I am a man. A couple of years ago, my son related to me that he was at the gym working out. He walked to a station and from his… Read more »

Sentient
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Sentient

“However, it’s still white knighting.”

White knighting is distinguished by the expected rewards – a psychic reward for being a good person or rewarded with pussy.

Doing something because you want to and not expecting any reward is not the same.

Now many WKs will swear they want nothing but they are full of shit hypocrites, they want the pussy or the pussy around the pussy.

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If-I-Fell

@ Sentient

I meant white knighting in this sense: “– a psychic reward for being a good person”.

Unless, Blaximus can claim that he feels no psychic reward for taking action that results in his internal feelings of being honorable.

As for the other sense of the word, I don’t doubt that Blaximus employed this as game in the past. Baby, you still seem shaken by this; let me take you back to my apartment where we can talk… LOL

cheupez
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Rugged featured muscular dads do not necessarily translate to such similar looking daughters. Dimorphism can still exist even when females go for alphas (whatever that may mean for the girls or whatever other assortative mate selection cue). Cuter daughters just looking more like their cute mothers and sons looking more like their fathers. I also understand that extreme high testosterone men tend to mate with extreme high estrogen women.

Blaximus
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Blaximus

If-I-Fell Good to see you. Re: obligation. Personally my priority obligation is to myself. The only exceptions are my offspring and ( most of ) family. Strong family is a super hedge against a weak and unstable society. Bottom line is that I choose and define what my particular version of obligation is in every circumstance it is the degree of control that cannot be taken away. Definitions from ‘ outside ‘ do not matter. It’s not about accolades because looking for that is a set up. The mission is to make a decision, carry it out successfully and keep… Read more »

Lost Patrol
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Lost Patrol

As I’ve explained, my personal belief is that I don’t like nor will I tolerate bullies. For every action there needs to be a ( opposite ) reaction. It’s not heroic or anything. I’m not expecting anything at all in return, not even pussy. Lol.

Superhero creed. Some men are born that way, believe it or not. It doesn’t matter if it’s a man, woman, or child, they have a compulsion to stand up for the weak. It can be dangerous actually, but there you are.

GTR
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GTR

@kfg – Shwarzenegger was artificial (steroids). Don’t know about the other guy.

GTR
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GTR

@cheupez – you are talking about the past world, dominated by monogamy, things are going to be different if all women go for top few % of alpha males, over few generations. Eg. “I also understand that extreme high testosterone men tend to mate with extreme high estrogen women.” There won’t be enough extremaly high testosterone women in such scenario. Each generation will increase masculinization/testorenization of the human race. With monogamy next generation comes from normal distribution of women and normal distribution of men. Change it to polygamy with alphas – next generation (G2) comes from normal distribution of women… Read more »

kfg
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kfg

Arnold at 17 in Austria, before he even knew steroids existed:

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Dolph Lundgren at 17:

http://www.bodybuildinguniverse.com/images/bio/17.jpg

Which would have nothing to do with their height/skeletal development anyway. I’m sorry, but your argument is dumb and smacks of butthurt.

cheupez
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@gtr I dont think this will take one generation or two. I think such processes take longer. But male gorillas are almost twice the size of their females despite the females mating exclusively only with the biggest baddest male. They go ahead and give birth to big sons and small daughters. Human beings who choose alpha will get alpha sons. Any testosteronized women will be less sexually attractive and will not have nearly as much reproductive success since the alphas will prefer the less testosteronized women. Macsulinised women will be selected out of the gene pool. Genes can associate in… Read more »

Culum Struan
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Culum Struan

LOL@ those Raya and Feeld apps.

What jumped out at me most from the article about Raya is the comment that the men on it “are flakier than the ones on other dating apps” – ie, they are higher status and have more options than the average thirsty beta on Tinder.

It’s a completely different kind of site, but in this aspect it’s very similar to sugar daddy sites, where again the men are higher value (if only as Providers) so the male behaviour is less thirsty..

Gagarin
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Gagarin

I´ll just leave this here for the benefit of any leftist man lurking here at RM.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/22/weinstein-metoo-rmisogyny-clive-lewis-sexism-feminist-dilemmas

Blaximus
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Blaximus

Left, Right, whatevs. Don’t put on blinders and pay attention.

Males from all over the spectrum, liberal and conservative, will jump on this bandwagon with great fervor. Just keep your eyes opened and fuck bias.

Women started this car, but men will take the wheel mostly and insure that premium fuel is available.

This isn’t baseball or football. Lol, fuck your team. Men will take up this cause on the enforcement/legislative side. That’s the way it always goes, republican’t or dumbocrat. The sensible middle of both parties don’t stand a fucking chance against all of this far right/ far left bullshit.

PJ Pires
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Maybe soy will put everybody in the same field.

Boxcar
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Boxcar

Jordan Peterson has pointed out that masculinity seems to maximize in individual men, in the Scandanavian countries that have pushes gender equalism to the greatest extreme. We see this in both choice of professions (few male nurses) and in measures of psychological function (less neuroticism and agreeableness in men, more in women). Peterson’s conclusion is that maximizing freedom (and the social expectation of being true to one’s nature), means that all you have left are biological differences. Of course this is quite a blow to feminists, who do not believe in biological difference. But I would be curious to hear… Read more »

SJF
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SJF

Of course this is quite a blow to feminists, who do not believe in biological difference…

….he seems to think that gender equalism is forcing men to suppress their masculine nature…

Men and women both have Free Will.

If you understand anything about The Red Pill it is in context of women having free will and birth control. And there is the abetting of Blue Pill Matrix programming.

The Manosphere and Red Pill Awareness were created for a reason. So was Game.

https://youtu.be/ly6fzXDxobQ?list=RDly6fzXDxobQ

Boxcar
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Boxcar

@SJF

But that is the thing, with the feminine imperative being what it is, I doubt that there are many Scandanavian men “choosing” to be more masculine. Culturally, their societies have embraced gender equalism and yet gender differences are increasing. I guess the question is, how long can a society that embraces gender equalise maintain that belief system, while churning out generation-after-generation of men and women who refuse to be the same?

SJF
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SJF

@ Boxcar You should read Rollo. Because of Hypergamy and Social Welfare. They feed on each other. Women will have desire for the Apex Alphas. They will have their babies all the way down and they will be supported by the Betas (And social welfare in Scandinavia). The thing is: there’s not a lot of choosing or refusing going on there (cognitively). And paradoxically there is a lot of choosing and refusing going on there (from the heart/biologically). The culture is doing what it organically does via the political and the biological. Men are choosing with their brains. Women are… Read more »

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