Male Control

Back in October, 2016 I wrote an essay called Sexual Zoning. In that post I explored the social inconsistencies and potential for (sometimes catastrophic) consequences for men in misunderstanding what were, and what have become, particular zones in which men and women covertly acknowledge the potential for an intersexual connection.

In the bygone Western social system, young people were expected to regularly interact with one another in controlled, regulated environments, in a way that fostered productive, long-term, monogamous, assortative relationships. This was a sort of “holistic” milieu, so to speak, where young people treated one another as potential future partners, sexual and otherwise, in a socially regulated manner, in all cases when they were permitted to interact. This was even the norm in workplaces where both men and women were present. The average man found a girlfriend through his extended family or social circle, because families and social circles were normally large.

What we have today is the complete opposite: “sexual zoning”. Some mixed-sex environments, like the workplace, schools and campuses, are made completely asexual – sterile, so to speak. No sexualized interactions are permitted to take place. This is demanded by law and expected by society. In such environments, you’re supposed to treat members of the opposite sex strictly as colleagues or professionals, non-sexual beings. (Hot men are allowed to get away with more, of course, but that’s another issue.) Other mixed-sex environments, on the other hand, like nightclubs, are expected to be full-on sexual. Everybody there knows that all interactions entail the future possibility of casual sex. It’s basically a meat market. You’re expected to hit on girls, and girls expect to be hit on by attractive men. Socializing in these environments requires action, engagement. If you want to find a partner, either just for sex or something more, you have to go there, you have to have Game etc.

The video I’ve chosen to dissect here is a prime example of how generations of men have been raised to deliberately misunderstand intersexual dynamics and at the same time demonize the conventional masculinity that so much of western culture has been founded upon. To be thorough though, really every culture throughout history has been primarily founded on conventional masculinity and the aspects that contribute to maleness.

Jonathan McIntosh finds an easy mark in the archetypal masculine characters of Harrison Ford, but there’s a very important reason the 80’s icon is so egregious to the men of McIntosh’s generation. Han Solo, Indiana Jones, etc. are all the Alpha male rogues this generation has been taught to love in terms of bravado, but to hate because they ‘always get the girl’; and they get her in such a way that it grates against all that their feminine-primary upbringing led them to believe was just this side of sexual assault.

McIntosh relates that he was part of a generation that idealized Harrison Ford’s most iconic characters, yet now he feels pangs of regret and resentment for having looked up the characters’ archetype. This is a perfect illustration of how conventional masculinity has been reverse engineered by our feminine-primary social order since the Sexual Revolution. I’ve mentioned in many prior essays that while overt masculinity is vilified as the cause of all social evils, it still remains the most arousing aspect of men for women. Boys like McIntosh saw this archetype and made that connection to female attraction, but it took generations of Blue Pill reconditioning to make them feel bad for ever attempting to adopt that bravado into their own personalities.

While growing up the message was the same Blue Pill identifying with the feminine (in fact Beta Game depends on that identification). Play nice, play equal, respect all women by default and never assert yourself too overtly or too crudely lest you risk offending her sensibilities. These are the boys who were raised by family, media and their schooling to expect a rationality that women could be expected to say what they mean and then do what they said. Yet that never seemed to gel when they would deductively see the girls they wanted, the ones who told them they wanted a ‘nice guy’ who respected them, consistently reward the asshole jerk with the intimacy and sex they thought would come to them if they followed what they were told.

In the end, Han Solo and Indiana Jones get the girl and she genuinely desires him – not because this is some odd fantasy of the writer’s imagination, but because this is (was) a standard aspect of women’s genuine attraction to men. The aberration is the idea that the attraction and affair would go any other way. Only in this feminized generation does thousands of years of male-female interaction seem at all unsettling.

So, here we have conventionally masculine archetypes – sometimes rakish, sometimes bold and dutiful – following their own path, making themselves their Mental Point of Origin, and making their mission (not their woman) their priority. Whether it was Captain Kirk, Han Solo or Conan the Barbarian the mental order was always firmly focused on the individual man and his action. Between the time of the Sexual Revolution and 2017, the Feminine Imperative has systematically erased the conventionally masculine archetype; so much so that the gender-loathing men of this generation are either appalled at displays of masculinity or they simply have no frame of reference with which to contrast it with the distorted and blurred ideas of what masculinity should mean to them.

For some ‘men’ the notion of conventional masculinity itself is rejected altogether. It doesn’t mean anything to be a man for this generation, so conventional archetypes of men are offensive.

As a result of these four to five generations of progressively more feminized men we now see the confusion and disgust at conventional masculinity coming from this generation of men. We see a generation of males who have no positive association with their own gender. They become increasingly more isolated because they are convinced that anything that might be gender-exclusive to men alone is, by default, a form of misogyny. There is nothing ‘positive’ about being a man, yet for all of the misconceptions about gender being social constructs, exclusively female organizing of women and fempowerment is still viewed as beneficial; a sign of society ‘evolving’.

I recently read an article in the Boston Globe about middle aged men’s increasing social isolation. I would argue that for all of the raising of awareness about this phenomenon it is primarily generations of men’s inability to interact with other men that is at the root of this isolation. For decades now men have been discouraged from meeting with other men in any formalized fashion. Men are either suspect of misogyny or homosexuality if they get together for the sake of being men. What were seeing now is generations of men who no longer understand how to socially interact with other men.

Furthermore, when this isolation becomes a concern of women, those men are again berated for not interacting with other men in the ways that women do. Women talk, men do, but a feminine-primary social order only approves of one way for men to associate with one another – in the way that women do. Thus, we see the confusion of women that men don’t call each other up to schedule a coffee date for the express reason of conversation. Men and women have different forms of communication, but the socially approved form is only ever from the feminine context. Men interacting “as men do” – in a conventionally masculine way – is always misogynistic. Thus, we see overseers in the locker room, if only symbolically, to regulate what and how men communicate with each other.

The End of Toxic Masculinity

Dalrock had a great quick-hit post recently about how Michael Moore was suggesting that men be required by law to seek their wife or long-term girlfriend’s (or most recent Ex) signed permission to purchase a firearm in the wake of last week’s mass shooting in Vegas.

That this idea would ever be a serious consideration speaks volumes about how masculine gender-loathing has become endemic in western culture. I get that Michael Moore is a self-inflicted cuck, but all I’m seeing in the wake of the Vegas shooting is less about gun control and more about male control.

It’s no longer about categorizing masculinity as “toxic” or “hyper” – that narrative is officially dropped after this shooting. Now, any masculinity is a threat, any expression of conventional masculinity is the true problem. Suggesting that a woman’s oversight and discernment should be necessary for a man to have access to a civil right only further reinforces what I’ve been saying for some time now – only the feminine is ‘correct’ in any social discourse. Only the feminine is legitimate in exercising judgement, educating new generations and deciding which man will breed and which will not.

Think about this; what’s being suggested is that men be denied a civil right that apparently only women should legitimately have. For all the fallacious blathering of women in pink pussy hats about how they think they’re losing rights today, here we have an actual right of men being denied by women, by the Feminine Imperative.

The ‘toxic’ masculinity narrative made a qualitative distinction between a feminine-acceptable form of masculinity and a potentially dangerous form. Needless to say the accepted form always consisted of whatever aspects of masculinity that was immediately beneficial to womankind. ‘Toxic’ masculinity was always characterized as Man Up or Shut Up masculinity:

Man Up or Shut Up – The Male Catch 22

One of the primary way’s Honor is used against men is in the feminized perpetuation of traditionally masculine expectations when it’s convenient, while simultaneously expecting egalitarian gender parity when it’s convenient.

For the past 60 years feminization has built in the perfect Catch 22 social convention for anything masculine; The expectation to assume the responsibilities of being a man (Man Up) while at the same time denigrating asserting masculinity as a positive (Shut Up). What ever aspect of maleness that serves the feminine purpose is a man’s masculine responsibility, yet any aspect that disagrees with feminine primacy is labeled Patriarchy and Misogyny.

Essentially, this convention keeps beta males in a perpetual state of chasing their own tails. Over the course of a lifetime they’re conditioned to believe that they’re cursed with masculinity (Patriarchy) yet are still responsible to ‘Man Up’ when it suits a feminine imperative. So it’s therefore unsurprising to see that half the men in western society believe women dominate the world (male powerlessness) while at the same time women complain of a lingering Patriarchy (female powerlessness) or at least sentiments of it. This is the Catch 22 writ large. The guy who does in fact Man Up is a chauvinist, misogynist, patriarch, but he still needs to man up when it’s convenient to meet the needs of a female imperative.

Now, in the Feminine Imperative’s unceasing efforts to Remove the Man a distinction between a useful masculinity and a dangerous masculinity is no longer something that resonates. All masculinity, all aspects, beneficial or detrimental, are to be considered the problem:

That the problem might just be masculinity, plain and simple, is not something we’re eager to countenance. While we might be prepared to apply a little structural analysis to the situation – yes, there is something about men and the way they are conditioned that leads us to this place – we’re unwilling to draw any final conclusions. Masculinity doesn’t kill people; it’s those mysterious toxins that are to blame.

[…]But strip away the so-called toxic aspects of masculinity: the aggression, the violence, the hate, the guns, and what are you left with? Strength, endurance, a woody-scented perfume, a liking for the colour blue? Certainly nothing that need be associated with manhood or maleness. These are simply individual qualities. The only reason to code them as “masculine” is to preserve a social hierarchy that ought to be destroyed.

[…]What would be so terrible about a world in which boys were treated no differently to girls from the day they were born? In which there are no pink/blue codifications to hide behind? In which a man’s anger and aggression were considered every bit as aberrant and unnatural as a woman’s?

The problem we’re facing isn’t toxic masculinity; it’s that masculinity is toxic. It’s time we questioned even its most subtle manifestations.

Going forward this will be the narrative. There will be no distinction between misogyny, masculinity and maleness. What this author, perhaps deliberately, doesn’t want to address is that masculinity and all the associated ways our thinking and our behaviors that manifest from the biological side of our nature aren’t something that can be dissociated from us without killing us or erasing what we were evolved to be. There are no truly positive or negative aspects of masculinity, just as there are no positive or negative aspects of Hypergamy. They just are, and what makes them beneficial or detrimental all depends on the context in which they are applied. That may seem strange coming from the author of a book titled Positive Masculinity but understand that what is positive about masculinity is made so by need and by circumstance.

In a world created in the image of the Feminine Imperative masculinity itself is a horrible evil, until it’s needed to save women from rising floodwaters.

You see, for as much as the imperative would like to remove the ‘man’ from our language, our cultural consciousness, that man will always be needed in spite of the hate directed towards masculinity. This is what a feminine-primary society would have us redefine as some other term, something not unique to a male human being. But conventional, evolved, masculine strength and purpose will always manifest in men who unapologetically embrace it without an afterthought.

In my interview with Craig James we discussed men’s higher order thinking and purpose as well as our vital animal nature. You don’t separate one from the other. This is what the Feminine Imperative would have from men; a unilaterally female controlled utility-based masculinity that saves them from the worst consequences of both their environments and their decisions and simultaneously disappears when inconvenient. We hear women bleating about a lack of Real Men and the disappearance of true grit, and in the next article linked we see efforts to erase men entirely from social influence.

As I told Craig, when I’m in the squat rack I’m glad I have a feral, animal nature. It’s a survival aspect of human evolution. I’m not suggesting with this essay that men will become extinct; on the contrary I think what will help define our new conventional masculinity will largely be determined by how we express it in spite of a world arrayed against Man-kind. An equalist culture based on blank-slate equalism doesn’t see that you don’t separate the animal side of the human being from the high-order side. It is unwilling to accept that we need both; that we benefit and sometimes suffer from both.

558 comments

  1. The video clip was kind of like watching a PUA video segment just with the wrong interpretations of what was actually going on in sub comm’s in the approaches and closing.

    The worst are the comment section was another huge BP disaster zone. This only shows that for Game aware men the world is theirs for the taking.

  2. Hence, MGTOW. The only way to win such a highly rigged game of Catch 22 is not to play. Unfortunately, this spells the end of Western civilization. MGTOW, the symptom, will be blamed while the female imperative, the disease, will go untreated. Sad, but true.

    Just be at least a little thankful you experienced the bounty of Western culture, if you are old enough, before its descent into ruin (Oswald Spengler will be proven right). When the end is nigh on the horizon, as it is now, voices will be raised to save it (the current rash of anti-feminist females) but it will be too little too late.

    Ladies, ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee. Cheers.

  3. Rollo, still reading the article. Florida must have given you a lot of good thinking time.
    But this just grates like fingernails on a chalkboard:

    We see a generation of males who have no positive association with their own gender. They become increasingly more isolated because they are convinced that anything that might be gender-exclusive to men alone is, by default, a form of misogyny.

    Sex. Dammit, gender is a linguistic, social construct but sex is biology and that is why the feminists, the Female Imperative must substitute the fluid, fuzzy word ‘gender’ for the concrete description of reality, “sex”.

    Word substitution time:

    We see a generation of males who have no positive association with their own sex. They become increasingly more isolated because they are convinced that anything that might be sex-exclusive to men alone is, by default, a form of misogyny.

    Or I could rewrite it with the Ton style guide:

    We see a generation of males who have no positive association with their own balls.. They become increasingly more isolated because they are convinced that anything that might be ballsack-exclusive to men alone is, by default, a form of misogyny.

    Either way, “gender” is right out of the feminist playbook, we should avoid using it.

    Now I carry on reading. Thanks again for everything you’ve done, Rollo. We’ll never know how many men you’ve saved with your writing.

  4. “Masculinity” = “misogyny” = “maleness” is already showing up on college campuses. I expect to see it in more churches as betaization isn’t enough anymore for the FI, even the conservative feminists in conservative churches mutter about “testosterone poisoning” like old 1980’s feminists.

    “Masculinity” = “misogyny” = “maleness” is also a giant fitness test, because any man who doesn’t buy into it stands out like a road flare in a snowbank at midnight. Therefore he is the AF that girls are looking for to make a “sexy son” with. We are heading for the 90/10 world at this rate.

    This is what the Feminine Imperative would have from men; a unilaterally female controlled utility-based masculinity that saves them from the worst consequences of both their environments and their decisions and simultaneously disappears when inconvenient.

    Yep. There’s a name for that, too. That’s called a “robot”. An object.

    It should come with a fried-ice serving unit as standard equpiment right next to the ATM slot and the sperm dispenser.

  5. > “Masculinity” = “misogyny” = “maleness” is already showing up on college campuses.

    This hardly matters, seeing as men will soon be as rare on college campuses as they are in liberal churches with lesbian pastors. Women have won their freedom, as the men who once “oppressed” them now want nothing to do with them.

  6. All that’s happening is that women are getting the men they deserve.

    All talk about game aside women are not being hit on in the same way they were and it’s a problem for them.

    This is what shaming masculinity has done; effectively removed the supply of men from a huge swathe of women.

    If I’m with my 14 year old son and I meet a woman I like I make a point of hitting her for her number as I want him to have the balls to do it.

    Often I don’t bother to follow it up. A few months back I hit a cute restaurant owner for her number in front of my son, his friend and an attractive single woman colleague of mine in her mid 40’s. I got the number, the cute owner was all over me, boys elevated me to demi god status and my colleague was stunned.

    My colleague has been borderline neurotic about why I haven’t followed it up since.

    When I said that it didn’t matter as she wasn’t going anywhere because all she’s getting are addled messages from dating site losers and the last time a man hit her for her number was probably a decade ago the colleague was almost in tears.

    There you have it. That’s what all this bullshit has done and they’re all dateless as a result.

  7. With his rounded jaw, high pitched voice, utter lack of muscle mass – combined with a slave morality – Jonathan McIntosh might be the quintessential useful idiot for the feminine imperative. If you want to fully understand how this guy thinks, also watch his video The Fantastic Masculinity of Newt Schmander. He describes the character of Newt Schmander as “painfully shy and socially awkward”…and expressing “a quiet, sensitive masculinity.” Viewed through a red pill lens, McIntosh is nothing more than a bitter beta tooting his own (impotent) horn while bad mouthing men (i.e. Harrison Ford’s characters) more sexually desirable than himself. Women can’t help but agree with such a message coming from such a messenger, as they most certainly don’t want to be bothered by unwanted sexual advancements by the Jonathan McIntoshs of the world – guys unable to read indications of interest (or lack there of). In a vacuum McIntosh is easy to laughingly dismiss. Yet when one considers the large number of views his videos are receiving, his work becomes worthy of commentary. Great essay as usual Rollo.

  8. At the risk of being an iconoclast here at RM, harden the fuck up would ya? I get it, you’re making social commentary as that’s what you do here and it’s your purview. But you are starting to sound a shade butt hurt about all this FI shit Rollo.

    Perhaps it’s an observation on behalf of the poor saps who don’t know better but really it’s demeaning to you I think Rollo.

    Maybe I am just enjoying four years of learning from your writing. Learning quite rightly, that I simply don’t need to give a fuck what women think. I don’t, not one but, I have trouble self regulating at all these days and you know what my penalty in the FI is? Nothing. A few blank stares, the odd dropped jaw from some wayward WK but largely nothing.

    Perhaps I have achieved alpha status, I am simply good enough that I can call it as I see it, totally unvarnished largely without consequence. The knowing grin of amused mastery has me cutting a swath through stupid progressive pieties but I can recall no penalty for my outrageous truth talk.

    I welcome the ridiculous progressive bullshit pillorying masculinity, it’s but one more opportunity to truth bomb some prat who has to call a plumber because the sad sack doesn’t own a wrench or some spinster hag who will cry herself to sleep that night for want of a man or child in their life.

    Fuck em all I say, I don’t give a rats ass what they think because I know and they know, They’re doing it wrong!

    So buck up rollo, they’re grasping at straws at this point, they know they’ve jumped the shark on masculinity

  9. ” There are no truly positive or negative aspects of masculinity, just as there are no positive or negative aspects of Hypergamy. They just are, and what makes them beneficial or detrimental all depends on the context in which they are applied. That may seem strange coming from the author of a book titled Positive Masculinity but understand that what is positive about masculinity is made so by need and by circumstance.”


  10. “As I told Craig, when I’m in the squat rack I’m glad I have a feral, animal nature. It’s a survival aspect of human evolution. I’m not suggesting with this essay that men will become extinct; on the contrary I think what will help define our new conventional masculinity will largely be determined by how we express it in spite of a world arrayed against Man-kind. An equalist culture based on blank-slate equalism doesn’t see that you don’t separate the animal side of the human being from the high-order side. It is unwilling to accept that we need both; that we benefit and sometimes suffer from both.”

  11. Masculinity. This is what a feminine-primary society would have us redefine as some other term, something not unique to a male human being. But conventional, evolved, masculine strength and purpose will always manifest in men who unapologetically embrace it without an afterthought.”

  12. @Agent P

    ‘Fuck em all I say, I don’t give a rats ass what they think because I know and they know, They’re doing it wrong!’

    I call them out on it.

    When I see a group of men in a hole in the ground in the rain mending a live electrical cable or something I say to the nearest woman “go and get a feminist will you to get in that hole and take away some of that male privilege”

    I just take the piss out of them.

  13. @Agent p
    Being aware of your situation is not being butthurt. Rollo is correct; the “toxic” prefix has been dropped as he predicted. Masculinity itself has been cemented in the minds of a generation as the source of all violence and evil in the world alongside “being white” and “being right of Karl Marx”.

    The unsurprising reality though is that I’ve realized as I’ve learned from him over the past 4 years that men who roguishly grin as they break these new rules are almost universally loved by those around them. When I’m in a good groove, my Game drags almost everybody to my side. To break the rules with real style you have to know what they are though. You have to thumb your nose at them as you invite the people around you to play outside them with you.

    His observations are correct and valuable. I’ll be refining my ideas accordingly.

  14. https://rianstonept.blogspot.ca/2017/10/speech-v4.html

    “Going forward this will be the narrative. There will be no distinction between misogyny, masculinity and maleness. What this author, perhaps deliberately, doesn’t want to address is that masculinity and all the associated ways our thinking and our behaviors that manifest from the biological side of our nature aren’t something that can be dissociated from us without killing us or erasing what we were evolved to be. There are no truly positive or negative aspects of masculinity, just as there are no positive or negative aspects of Hypergamy. They just are, and what makes them beneficial or detrimental all depends on the context in which they are applied. That may seem strange coming from the author of a book titled Positive Masculinity but understand that what is positive about masculinity is made so by need and by circumstance.”

  15. @Sun Wukong

    Agent Has a point

    We shouldn’t validate it by taking it seriously or whingeing about it.

    I mean who the fuck cares what Michael Moore thinks or says, i mean look at the fucking incel slob.. I mean seriously?

    Do what men do and keep going while taking the piss out on the morons to their face.

  16. How did that work out for the dems calling half the country deplorable?

    Same for all those that consider masculinity toxic. Good luck with that in the long run

  17. If you need something built, fixed or killed, don’t call Jonathan McIntosh (or probably anyone else at Pop Culture Detective Agency). People like that – especially my fellow writers — seem to think civilization just magically appeared and will just as magically maintain itself without all that toxic masculinity.

    By the way, today is a good day to point out that Columbus and other historical figures are under attack in large part because they were men — leaders, explorers, fighters and so on. It’s probably just a mild exaggeration to say Amelia Earhart could have bombed and strafed all the indigenous peoples she liked and she’d probably just get a hearty “You Go Grrrrl” for her exploits

  18. Interesting.

    This is a topic in which I think a top down approach is needed to redress it. It’s not all tilting against windmills. The problems enemies of the manosphere are real. How to deal with the problem is a real conundrum.

    I’m so fucking glad Trump beat down Hillary because of that. Think of the consequences of a Hillary presidency. Praise Trump’s sacrifice to serve the preservation of some semblance of masculine control. (Hell even Blaximus has to admit that if Trump doesn’t actually do anything by getting the legislature to do anything, there is a worse alternative: Female Domination.)

    I was getting sick to my stomach on my state sportsman’s forum (hunting, fishing, outdoors, general, comedy, political topics) for not embracing masculinity, that I essentially drop out of participating. Fucking over-run by the political feminine correctness/feminine pedestalization and lack of masculine interests. The damn put your finger to the wind and do what everybody says as a globalist society. No balls at all.

    Top down masculine voices are needed for the masses. I can operate without them, but I wish they would fill the vacuum. The noise of anti-masculinity is simple deafening. The lack of masculinity and the rise of feminine dictation is simply unsustainable ideology. Praxeology needs traction in this regard. I don’t have the skills, but I admire the top down approach of some guys with skill.

    “The security guard at the 21Convention was bug eyes with what he was hearing”. LOL. Gof figure.

    Thanks for your efforts Rollo. You are a good man good at being a man.


  19. “Now, in the Feminine Imperative’s unceasing efforts to Remove the Man a distinction between a useful masculinity and a dangerous masculinity is no longer something that resonates. All masculinity, all aspects, beneficial or detrimental, are to be considered the problem:”

  20. Agent p
    October 9, 2017 at 6:24 pm

    “So buck up Rollo, they’re grasping at straws at this point, they know they’ve jumped the shark on masculinity”

    People only spend 10% of their time caring about the other side. And they might have peripheral awareness of it, it’s still only 10% of their awareness. The rest is feeding the pendulum of power. And they don’t want to give up that power of the Pendulum.

    Fighting that Male Control tide is still swimming against the tide. That is why bottoms up approach is advocated for by TRM and Rollo. But it is still an uphill battle. And the point of this essay is knowing the enemy in battle.

    You are battling. Battling is not a problem when you know what score is. This is just defining the score in modern society.

    At the risk of being an iconoclast here at RM, harden the fuck up would ya? I get it, you’re making social commentary as that’s what you do here and it’s your purview. But you are starting to sound a shade butt hurt about all this FI shit Rollo.

    Perhaps it’s an observation on behalf of the poor saps who don’t know better but really it’s demeaning to you I think Rollo.

    Maybe I am just enjoying four years of learning from your writing. Learning quite rightly, that I simply don’t need to give a fuck what women think. I don’t, not one but, I have trouble self regulating at all these days and you know what my penalty in the FI is? Nothing. A few blank stares, the odd dropped jaw from some wayward WK but largely nothing.

    I don’t need to give a fuck about what women think, but I certainly need to give a fuck about what they feel.

    Your view is correct. 90% of Red Pill is masculine self-improvement and masculine mental point of origin and executing your own personal strategy. (Put your oxygen mask on you first.) The other half is your adversaries in culture and society. Those bogies are real. What women feel is real. That’s what game is all about–what women feel. And Red Pill is all about why women feel what they do.


  21. “Think about this; what’s being suggested is that men be denied a civil right that apparently only women should legitimately have. For all the fallacious blathering of women in pink pussy hats about how they think they’re losing rights today, here we have an actual right of men being denied by women, by the Feminine Imperative.”

  22. “That this idea would ever be a serious consideration speaks volumes about how masculine gender-loathing has become endemic in western culture. I get that Michael Moore is a self-inflicted cuck, but all I’m seeing in the wake of the Vegas shooting is less about gun control and more about male control.”

  23. It’s no longer about categorizing masculinity as “toxic” or “hyper” – that narrative is officially dropped after this shooting.

    That was fast, I wasn’t ready to quit the fun with those terms. But this shift, if it is a shift, from the measured pace of indoctrination camps starting at childhood to all out frontal assault will have some unintended consequences for the keepers of the narrative. Vis…

    Now, any masculinity is a threat, any expression of conventional masculinity is the true problem.

    and…

    a distinction between a useful masculinity and a dangerous masculinity is no longer something that resonates. All masculinity, all aspects, beneficial or detrimental, are to be considered the problem:

    and…

    Going forward this will be the narrative. There will be no distinction between misogyny, masculinity and maleness.

    Ramp this up too far and too fast and you will ignite the fight or flight in men where it has lain dormant. Many men, given their upbringing as outlined in the essay will choose flight, but it will not be an option. There will be nowhere to go. An average blue pill chump as I was myself will think “fine, if this is what masculine women and feminine men want let them get on with it, but leave me out of it”. He won’t be left out of it though. It will keep coming for him.

    At some point he realizes he is a cornered animal and there is no place to run. Some will I suppose figuratively curl up and wait to be killed, but others, who would not have done this otherwise, will fight. They will just start going where Agent p is now in his comment of – October 9, 2017 at 6:24 pm.

    The objective is to tame all the men, but the result will not be all men tamed. In fact, some already tame men will bolt the corral and not look back.

  24. “In the end, Han Solo and Indiana Jones get the girl and she genuinely desires him – not because this is some odd fantasy of the writer’s imagination, but because this is (was) a standard aspect of women’s genuine attraction to men. The aberration is the idea that the attraction and affair would go any other way. Only in this feminized generation does thousands of years of male-female interaction seem at all unsettling.”

  25. Christ Rugby

    Keep looking at that fucking ugly women is gonna put me off my breakfast

    Can you find a better looking one to spam the place with?

  26. @ sjf

    Lol, luv ya brother but let me be clear – Donald Trump is a con man and a semi- moron, and has been all of his life. But if one pays attention, his failings are obvious and on full display at all times.

    Hillary is just plain old evil incarnate. You look right at her and you never know what the fuck you’re actually seeing at any time.

    Trump might by bungle us into WW3, and only then will everyone have a clearer understanding about what constitutes a good leader as opposed to third selfish, narrow obsessions.

    Hillary won’t get us into WW3, but she would infect us with a slow acting deadly poison combined with an anesthetic.

    So, yeah, I’ll still take the moron over known evil. Trump’s gonna rip the band aid off, and all of his supporters will finally ” just get it “. A bullshit artist is not a leader.

    I’m unaffected either way ( because I stopped believing in government/leadership after Nixon ).

    Clear and out for now. Love the OP Rollo.

  27. Eh people will change their mind about trump soon… especially people who stopped believing in the goverment after nixon.

    “but all I’m seeing in the wake of the Vegas shooting is less about gun control and more about male control.”

    Vegas is about something totally different. It’s a “Miracle” That only (x-xxxx) amount of individuals died

  28. Whether Trump is a semi-moron is an issue for some other day, but the real issue is that the media and culture now try to paint men in general as semi-morons. Been that way but has gotten so much worse.

    Blax, I’ll bet you realize that a CNN or a Wash Post could assign 18 people to make YOU look like a semi-moron if they wish, with lies and half-truths.

    A Sully Sullenberger might come along once in a blue moon, but the general depiction of manhood right now is somewhere between Harvey Weinstein and a mass murderer.

  29. “Donald Trump is a con man and a semi- moron, and has been all of his life. But if one pays attention, his failings are obvious and on full display at all times.”

    I don’t disagree. I would put him in the blue pill Alpha camp.

    Hillary is just plain old evil incarnate. You look right at her and you never know what the fuck you’re actually seeing at any time.

    Hillary is fake incarnate. I know her type she’s an INTJ, you know like Ayn Rand. A free spirit idealists that turned her talent to be submissive to Bill Clinton and fake like she cares about any of her constituents. INTJ’s are terribly judgmental mother fuckers. Rightly so, they don’t care about the unhappy and the unlucky–which are Hillary’s constituents.

    Trump might by bungle us into WW3, and only then will everyone have a clearer understanding about what constitutes a good leader as opposed to third selfish, narrow obsessions.

    Not likely that Trump will cause WW3. You are too much into hating him for what he is and I know why. And I don’t respect that Trump is trust-able to do what is right for his demographic, which I surmise is not your demographic alliance.

    But all I am saying from the stand-point of the OP is that Thank gods it wasn’t her, it was him.

    Just because all the Republican candidates were pussies and cucks and the Democratic candidate was fake as hell. (Fake, Fake, Fake). Doesn’t mean we as men are not better off with
    Trump as President in regards to all this male control bullshit.

    The lesser of Two Evils.

    @Blaximus

    What is so bad about Trump as the lesser of two evils? You certainly see the Red Pill Downside to a Hillary as president. Rue there was no better candidate. But don’t rue what happened.

    And in light of this original post by Rollo, I think masculine needs to stand up for its principles. And Trump does embody that even if he is actually fake. It is still a fake it to you make it for the top down approach to masculinity is good.

    Hillary is actually masculine too. It is just that that she would advocate for pussy hats galore. Because she had fake ideology.. Cause she’s fake to her core.

    I know where you are coming from Blax and I endorse your message. But that is wishful thinking and politically correct is actually feminine correct in form. We got to move that line and Trump was the lesser of two evils. No WW3 is on the horizon. Kim Jong Un is a douche and nothings going to result form that freak show.

  30. Is there an app that can automatically search-and-replace any Betty Friedan clip with Silvia Caruso? Or at least Lee Aaron?

  31. Eh people will change their mind about trump soon… especially people who stopped believing in the goverment after nixon.

    So vague as to be indecipherable. Use your words Mersonia. What is your point?

    And you spelled government wrong.

    You can do better than that. You dick, here.

  32. Dave
    This hardly matters, seeing as men will soon be as rare on college campuses as they are in liberal churches with lesbian pastors.

    Well, except for the fact that stuff tends to flow from the colleges outwards. “Sexual harassment”, aka the crime of “being attracted while beta” first rolled out on campuses and then to big Fortune 500 companies. So-called “affirmative consent”, aka “Yes Means Yes Until It Doesn’t” was crammed by the Feds into any institution that accepts Fed funds. That might get rolled back this year, but I’m afraid it has become policy in enough places that it will stick.

    That means in 5 to 10 years we’ll start seeing some statehouses trying to enact it at the legal level, once again redefining what “rape” is. So, yeah, it matters more than you might think.

  33. I don’t want to get into a political spat sjf, as Rollo’s OP deserves our staying on topic.

    I don’t hate Trump. Never have. I don’t like nor care for him, but ” hate ” is for children that don’t know better, and I don’t hate anyone. I form my opinion on Trump having grown up across the river from him He can’t bullshit me as way too much time has passed witnessing who he really is. The rest of the country and the world is playing catch up.

    Con man.

    Now Wrt to the op, when a majority of males chomp at the bit to look for a ” powerful ” male to cede power to and submit like women should, you get phenomenon like Trump. He’s no alpha stud, lol. He’s not strong. He’s not intelligent ( education doesn’t equal intelligence, nor does accumulating vast sums of fiat currency ), he is a celebrity real estate dude that had a reality television show.

    But men, lacking a real self centered sense of masculinity, will admire and submit. That’s embarrassing to me as a man. Luckily I can stand alone. He he hee.

    Masculinity doesn’t need controlling. Don’t confuse that statement as having anything at all to do with Trump. He needs controlling because he is a lot like a woman in his angry impulsive lashing out. Men don’t act like that, or shouldn’t in light of what masculinity is.

    Know a bitch when you see one.

  34. mersonia
    Eh people will change their mind about trump soon… especially people who stopped believing in the goverment after nixon.

    Aging baby boomers will soon change their mind about Trump, and this matters why?

    Rollo’s OP offers cautionary information that is actionable at the individual level: the next time I’m around college men who are talking like that guy in the vid up top, I can deal out some truth in any of several ways. For those in mid management it suggests some actions that could gum up the machine, but I won’t discuss details.

    Nattering at each other about national politics (a) won’t change minds (b) won’t change national politics. Good thing I won’t wear out my scroll wheel.

  35. Men and performance… The red pill is internalized that performance offset and everywhere you choose to be a part of in the world.

    O.B.I.T.
    Robert Mitchum = balls of steel…

    The male can use a performance for uniting the honor of death and a brotherhood that builds the heaven’s of are true serene interpretation of god.

  36. If anything, I’ve been able to see clearly that the encroachment in the popular narrative the “any masculinity” is toxicity and I have been able to avoid that ‘fake thought’ via red pill parenting my son. That kid would be fucked if I was blue pill. ‘Cause he’s got some masculinity going on–weightlifting, former football, baseball, snowboarding, skateboarding, artistic, “don’t box me in” style. The guy is a mini GoldmundUnleashed.

    (lots of fights, lots of legal charges, lots of double secret probation, lots of passing that probationary restriction, lots of excelling in where he is going. All one big shit test. And he’s using that and those to his advantage. Don’t just merely try to pass a shit test, use it too you’re advantage– attributed to advice from Rollo.)

    Thanks to red pill I stood up to his positive masculinity. And that made all the difference to him. Recognizing the anti-Masculine elements opposing him in society and in schools, parrying that, affirming that he is OK with his heart and impulses and backing his masculinity. Shrugging and deflecting the need of his mom to just be a good boy in order to not suppress him, but redirect him made all the difference. You don’t suppress the masculinity of boys. You redirect it into positive things.

    A young boy hits and kicks his sister? You don’t suppress him for the sake of shutting down bad behavior. You redirect him as a mother or father (present at the time) to go outside and hit a baseball or kick a soccer ball. 5 to 7 year old boys have their heart present and don’t know how to socialize. You can’t fucking shut down that exuberance as a parent or as society. You need to direct it towards the positive. In the old days if you were lucky, you had the Blaximus society of uncles and grandfathers in addition to the fathers. In today’s society most of that is resting on betatized blue pill fathers to direct the sons. Good luck with that.

    That’s me top down as a parent. I think this notion of all masculinity is toxic needs a quashing. It can’t happen from the bottoms up approach, but it might not get traction from a top down approach.

    Some bold souls did some great organic work at the 21Convention. Thanks guys. Thanks for helping the top down approach. The way things are going, it didn’t seem like top down was feasible. But you proved that wrong. There is going to be a pebble in the water ripples outward.

  37. Embody your performance to achieve the impossible… Make it possible by sculpting your interpretation of creation.

  38. Funny, quick story,
    My father is a carpenter (retired). Natural red-pill. Mixed results regarding parenting. Mother did her best with an Alcoholic father, non-maternal mother, bounced in and out of foster care.

    Alright, gaggle of wives talking feminist shit at a multiple-family blathering. My father remains silent. Typical implicit male bashing, etc. Lo and behold, pipe bursts and floods the basement. The hosting wife calls upon her husband to fix the mess.

    My father, generally agreeable and go with the flow/lead by example kind of guy, stepped up and said to the hosting wife “Why don’t you go ahead and fix it?”

    Awkward silence.

  39. Con man.

    Last time I checked my inventory of dark triad game theory attributes and aspirations, that’s not necessarily a disqualifyer in Red Pill. I don’t score very high on Dark Triad, but I shore do admire the agency of guys that do.

    Trump is not an Alpha Stud. And Alpha stud is a Red Pill Alpha. Trump is a Blue Pill Alpha. Big difference. But he is still alpha in status and DNGAF of those who disagree with him.
    He is strong. Strength in America is money. He purportedly has that. Shit, I’ve never had more strength than my money was talking and Trump talked it al the way to the Presidency.
    He actually is the president of the United States of America. Can you name who would be a better choice ( this is a red pill blog, as we speak), who could have been elected or who could be good.

    Not speaking politics? Speaking Red Pill and masculine agency. DJTisn’t bad for that. There is the Red Pill. There is Game. And then there is political agency. Take your pick on your battle.

    Masculinity doesn’t need controlling. Don’t confuse that statement as having anything at all to do with Trump.

    Trump got elected by not being controlled in his Alpha (fake or real) trouncing the Repulican primary field. Like Jeb, and all those other non -masculine candidates. Trump did get elected on his attributes by masculine males (whether Trump is true mascuiline or not–even if a rich beta provider, greater beta lesser alpha, heh.)

    Sure, “the narrative” has him angry impulsive lashing out. But do you really think the narrative is correct? Who is he other than the President of The Unite States that gave up a free-wheeling capitalist lifestyle to direct what he wanted to direct.

    We all got our biases Blax. I got my anti-Hillary bias. We all could be worse off in a lack of male control bias. Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth in a Red Pill vein.

    Put aside politics or the political agenda. Think Red Pill top down strategy. What would have been a better outcome of the last election? A female president? Vs. a (so called) con man masculine president? Last time I inventoried, he had a few masculine virtues….

  40. I’ve related before when i reviewed campus sex yes means yes policy manuals like Colgate that they pretend up top to be helping men and women both by helping men get past the toxic masculinity that holds them back. Then you keep reading, and the word toxic disappears later in the text, and it’s just masculinity men must eschew altogether.

    So grammatically speaking, the toxic in toxic masculinity is not a modifier or a limiter; it’s a descriptor, Just as you all honorable gentlemen have been referring to the replies you gave some moments ago. I’m just saying, the “all masculinity = toxic” notion is not new, it’s been percolating quite a while. That’s why you need to keep an eye on it. It didn’t just start this week.

    You’ll stop hearing toxic manhood talk about Paddock because his genius was to be the ultimate Mystery Terrorist. You can’t figure him out because part of his plan was to leave no clues to figure out. The worst mass killer ever who no one could ever suss out. That’s why he’ll be remembered. No tumor, no terminal illness, no delusions, maybe bone spurs? He had money and houses and a high roller life in Vegas but he had this dark night of the soul that voided everything else. Trying to shoehorn that concentrated evil into toxic manhood don’t work, son.

    Yes Michael Moore is a poser though he can be amusing. His “Where To Invade Next” was cute, focusing on things now done in Europe we all think as effete snobbery but which we actually invented in the USA but chose not to do anymore, like healthy food in school, no homework, preemptive health care, longer vacations.

    But remember about him: feminist apologists aside, he’s an NRA member and a marksman himself. See how he handles the shotgun the bank tellers hand him as a prize for opening a checking account in Bowling For Columbine.

    I’m actually hopeful that the worst of the Dear Colleague policies will fade. Betsy DeVos gets no credit, she’s an unschooled rich bitch. But I see some smarter folk under her,talking to some due process people, they look like they are assembling something more sensible, that will stand up to court challenges and hopefully allow the serious fucking to recommence. The schools were starting to lose too many cases to expelled men.

    College too pussyfying for men? Good. Let’s run with that. I want to see men avoid colleges for awhile. Don’t wanna attend uni? Hell to the yeah. Go to trade school, learn a craft,become an employee who can’t be outsourced to Rangoon. Let the girls get all the oppressed peoples s learned experience sociology degrees, the try to find jobs to pay off the six figure debt. Which will not even the FI can only maintain so many extra executives. And all their barking to man up won’t be obeyed. Remember? You ordered the men off campus so they’d feel what oppression was like. Except the men took stock and decided not to come back

    But the girls will need you, and call for you, the absent men who know how to do shit. That will be some currency to have in hand for making deals, and it ain’t fiat currency, o my little brothers.

  41. Sjf

    I hear the transurfing in your posts. Powerful stuff. I’m audioing it off of YouTube.

    Also, for years I’ve recognized that masculinity needs to be channeled, focused, directed. Rites of passage were for men. Women? Somebody wiser and more succinct than me on this site once said being a girl/woman is an event, going from boy to man and beyond is a process.

  42. Fred Flange on late night TV
    College too pussyfying for men? Good. Let’s run with that. I want to see men avoid colleges for awhile. Don’t wanna attend uni? Hell to the yeah. Go to trade school, learn a craft,become an employee who can’t be outsourced to Rangoon.

    Two weeks back I was talking with a home schooled kid who is not college material. He was considering basic nursing, what used to be called Licensed Practical Nurse. It’s a community college 2 year degree. He can go on for a full RN after that if he’s up to it. It’s a job, it’s a useful job and he’s probably got the stuff to make it.

    I pointed out “It won’t ever go away. It can’t be outsourced. It’s not sexy enough to be H1B’d. Looks like a winner”. The same thing applies to HVAC, plumbing, electrical work and so forth.

    The community colleges will have the same Title IX garbage, but they don’t have Freshman Brainwashing Week like the full up uni’s do. So men can avoid all that stuff.

    One of the real-deal millionaires I know – the kind of man who buys real property like houses, acerage, etc. with CA$H – is a plumber. His name is on about 20 trucks, a business office and a warehouse. He dropped out of engineering school back in the 70’s.

    Many of the girls with the Arts & Crafts degrees likely will either have to marry an ikky tradesman or not marry at all.

  43. I agree with Agent P’s comment Rollo – you are starting to sound more and more reactive and thus failing the shit test that is feminism. Maybe the anger is because you’re not out there as a single man enjoying the fun infield.

    I’ll tell you a group of men on the planet that will never pay attention to this. Muslim men don’t react or care. Like Islam or not they keep their male spaces, patriarchy, they know how to control their women and maintain polarity. Whatever your politics I look at male Muslims and I see strong masculinity.

  44. @Agent P: valid concern but it seems to me like one of those situations where you were a newbie but already learned what you needed and now you don’t care about the new newbies.
    Which is fair enough but it wasn’t ever Rollo’s attitude.

    Rollo is breaking down something that is going on in FI-dominated society. As he did many times previously.
    I don’t see butt-hurt, it is showing what is and interpreting it.

  45. You guys know I love Rollo and his work, to be sure. I just took a little break for a while and when I came back to the scene for a minute it just struck me as a little whiny is all. Call me crazy, but the tone didn’t sit right with me.

    Taken as a whole body of work, it makes sense for sure. Rollo has been on a successful mission to unmask the FI for what it is, to cast light on its deepest shadows and he does that with great accuracy and regularity. For that I owe him a debt of gratitude, we all do.

    Yes, newbies need to be brought along for sure. But lets keep in mind, this male space is a complex little ecosystem with lots of different conversations going on here. My experience and comments are but one voice in that hot kitchen. We all know Rollo is a big boy and me pointing out for a few minutes that he had some sand in his pussy this weekend isn’t going to stop the world for newbies or others.

    Now, back on point. I think if I had to clarify where I am going with positive masculinity combined with my ill tempered manner is one of almost radical honesty. More and more the simplest thing I can do to cut through FI bullshit is simply speak the truth. If I see bullshit, I call bullshit. Obviously you have to be somewhat socially calibrated to do it properly, you cannot just be a 24/7 wrecking ball and get along effectively at life. But you don’t have to be out scurrying about hoping to avoid the watchful eye of your fempowerment overlords either. To me it seems a lot of people are waking up every day and they are finding that honesty that cuts through all the bullshit refreshing and empowering. I am enjoying helping young men find their voice in these matters, sparing with them to help them expand their skills, picking them up and dusting them off if they stumble.

    @SJF, their feelings? Yes of course, you can be rough in some regards but of course you have to have fun with their feelings. It’s how they are, how they mediate the experience of the world and how they express themselves. Part of my liberation in terms of not giving a rats ass is not giving a rats ass about what might be perceived as a social failure. So for me, risking some social failure to be able to toy with their feelings is lots of fun these days. Is that not the essence of game? Granted I can be reckless,I like pushing boundaries to see where they are with women and I am constantly surprised at how low they’ll go given some licence and prompting. It’s sort of like when you first take the pill and are incredulous because you know, “they cannot possibly ALL be like that can they!” But sure enough, everyone of them has a dirty little girl inside that just needs to be unzipped to let her out in the right way.Of course you always have to be careful to furnish some plausible deniability to women to go along with their liscentious behavior or they won’t keep playing. But I never stop being amazed at how many want to play. See Ms Leia in Empire Strikes Back.

    @palmasailor, deplorable masculinity, I love it, I might need a new handle. Would sure make a good T-shirt for my son. It’s fun to take their language and to bend it until it works for you.

    As for the OP and the video, yes it’s like the author tried to get every question on the PUA test wrong when reading the scene. He succeeded admirably scoring a perfect fail.He perfectly filtered himself out as a guy who “just doesn’t get it”. It must suck being in that state of affairs, where everything you are taught is diametrically opposed to reality. Terribly confusing for both the boys and the girls.

    I love the Han Solo scene too. I cannot count the number of times I was called a scoundrel when I was a teenager. Stupidly at some point I thought I had better clean up my act, when in fact I was just building really solid desire and momentum with the chicks. Every time I got called a scoundrel we seemed to end up naked sooner or later. Strange how that worked.

  46. Recent names I’ve been called which I regard as shit tests that demonstrate a higher value:

    “Why are you being such a dick?”

    “So much machismo”

    I just laugh …agree and amplify or respond with a reframe.

    I would not have been able to understand the motivations or underlying attraction driving these comments or reactions.

    I do find myself increasingly feeling isolated from some groups of women.

    But it’s interesting how many girls in their 20s want to be with a man in his 50s.

    Her: you’re old

    Me: I’m classic

    Her: you’re aged

    Me: yea aged beef is the most expensive

    And on it goes.

    Your article tells it like it is. A red pill mindset helps me dissect these pressures and manage them to my benefit.

  47. As much as I like boobs and a shapely female figure, can we refrain from posting nudes here? I read TRM at work and I’d like to be able to continue that…

  48. @Rollo: Now I better understand the import of designating “Indiana Jones of the Manosphere” (a well deserved moniker I’d say).

    I don’t think McIntosh got any nooky after the video was complete: what woman is turned on by a man holding his severed balls?

  49. Watched this video again stopping and starting at various points.

    The truth remains, women are craving masculinity and dominance.

    What is missing from the narrative is the concept of “Calibration”.

    Interesting how the “positive” role model in this video is a computer generated image from a Disney cartoon…and not a real human couple.

    I think this analysis is much more aligned with what women secretly desire and the way that’s accurately portrayed in films:

  50. Watch this video…I need to tell you up front it’s a parody because it’s getting hard to tell…

  51. @walawala: Yup fiction. McIntosh’s tell is he attempted to emulate a fictional character. Greene, in Mastery, points out we humans learn by mimicry. Theater does not present the whole life thus cannot — and does not — show calibration.

    McIntosh replaces a fictional Deckard with a fictional Elsa. Net gain: zilch.

  52. @Rollo: re: social isolation; indeed an easy habit as I’m unsure who the informants are. However it’s an easy buffer to bust via ZFG. Thanks for pointing it out.

  53. @SJB “McIntosh replaces a fictional Deckard with a fictional Elsa. Net gain: zilch.”

    Net gain zilch for Red Pilled guys.

    Read the YouTube comments: They echo that white knight, Blue Pilled “thanks for pointing this out” pap.

  54. Skipping college may be a wise choice for a lot of young guys, but skipping grade school is not usually an option. Adults are saturated in propaganda from the increasingly feminized media and social media, but I cringe to think of what boys are now being force-fed right from the earliest grades.

    The bottom line is that TRM is right to keep hammering away at these macro societal issues as well as interpersonal perspectives

  55. “DisgruntledEarthling
    Compliance”

    Uh, no. I just don’t need to be called out at work looking at pics of nekid women. There’s blue-haired bull-dykes here that will raise a stink. I’d like to be able to pay my mortgage/bills thank you.
    Worse, TRM might be blacklisted here at work, which would be a total bummer for me. An before any wise-ass spouts the old “just get another job/start your own business” reply, I’m 58 and finding another hitech job is not what i’d like to do this year.

  56. O.B.I.T.
    I cringe to think of what boys are now being force-fed right from the earliest grades.

    If they are good and obedient and act like girls most of the day they get to watch some Disney crap like Frozen.

  57. @Disgruntled Earthling:
    “I read TRM at work and would like to continue doing that.”
    HR requests that you report for sensitivity training at your earliest opportunity

  58. “HR requests that you report for sensitivity training at your earliest opportunity”

    Hehe HR here is pretty tame. Although I’m in dev I sit next to the support people. They are raunchy as fuck and HR has learned to stay away.
    The I.T. crowd though might be more sphincter-enabled. Some of the ‘suspect’ links I click on are blocked. None of the RP sites are though, which is fine. Until some whiteknight gets whiff of what i do with 30% of my time

  59. John Chatterton and John Mattera modern day Male’s in such of the infinite light of ‘wonder what if…’

  60. @walawala: The comments in the top video are, broadly:

    male: “I’d never be insensitive like Deckard/Jones/Solo. [Will you fuck me now?]”
    female: “No one ever did that to me” or “a creeper [too low SMV] did that to me”

    Very interesting.

  61. We might need some rules and guidelines for what masculinity really is.

    Money, celebrity ” status “, rank or position does not denote masculinity or alpha status among men. Women though can be greatly influenced by these things. One of the greatest tricks the devil ever pulled was in getting large swaths of men to defer and cede to ” money “. Lol at the notion of Instant Alpha Status of any stripe conferred by the accumulation of money or assets that’s a trick and a perceived short cut that allows some men to sidestep actually building and enhancing their own masculinity.

    The best thing any masculine male can do is to hold fast as society swings wild!y from left to right while issuing new dictates about who and what real men are. Many times what society does is to ask or tell men to suspend belief in what they see right before their very eyes and follow a false narrative.

    Celebrity, holding office or being a CEO, having money… Are but only a few examples. Believe what your informed eyes tell you as it will save your life and sanity.

  62. Oh yeah, the Fi learned it’s tactics from men, and men back up and enforce the FI’s agenda.

    Never forget this as what’s considered ” masculine ” is being dictated to you from on high.

  63. “Men back up and enforce the FI’s agenda” is exactly correct — because these men are desperate to appear “reasonable” and “thoughtful” as well as just be popular, like back in high school.

    I saw this evolution (or devolution) in journalism –the women don’t necessarily drive the train, but the men who are supposedly in charge now defer completely to the FI in terms of hard news judgment as well as punditry. Watch any panel discussion on TV — how the guys pretend to listen to the women prattle on while nodding sagely and then echo the point.

  64. Janice Fiamengo cites and quotes the seminal gender studies work Gender Troubles by Judith Butler. It isn’t the source of the gender-sex separation (which is roughly contemporaneous with The Feminine Mystique), but it is the most common reference these days, one of the Holy Scriptures of third wave feminism:

    Currently online here:

    https://selforganizedseminar.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/butler-gender_trouble.pdf

    Note that fourth wave feminism is moving on to biological sex being a social construct:

    https://www.autostraddle.com/its-time-for-people-to-stop-using-the-social-construct-of-biological-sex-to-defend-their-transmisogyny-240284/

  65. Oh, and see for example the wailing and gnashing of teeth in response to Cam Newton’s mildly condescending remark to a female reporter last week. You’d think he asked her to watch him shower or something. Taking some abuse used to be part of the job description but I guess no longer.

  66. Skipping college may be a wise choice for a lot of young guys, but skipping grade school is not usually an option.

    Home schooling is an option…fathers are better teachers anyway

  67. DisgruntledEarthling
    October 10, 2017 at 4:54 am

    As much as I like boobs and a shapely female figure, can we refrain from posting nudes here? I read TRM at work and I’d like to be able to continue that…

    SECONDED – – I don’t want to remove TRM from my blog listings as NSFW, please.

  68. @Walawala

    “But it’s interesting how many girls in their 20s want to be with a man”

    Fixed that for you

  69. @DisgruntledEarthling
    “Somewhat related to Masculinity or lack thereof:” Sweet Jesus that’s sad.

    Thus my 13 YO son already owns a slate of hand tools and power tools. We worked on installing him a new ventilation system in an animal cage this weekend which he generally designed himself. Needs some guidance but such is mentorship, he works hard to figure out how to use the tools. Makes me proud.

    For good measure my 11 YO daughter also already owns her own set of hand tools. Yes they come in a zip up pink case, but its more tools than some of my millennial male staff own by their own admission. When I am wrenching the fleet of cars or boats she frequently gets paid to be my assistant and hold the other end of whatever as required. At least she gets exposure to the issues of how mechanical things work and its not totally alien to her.

    By 7 years old both kids had both been hands on with the band saw in the workshop and they both know they can use the tools any time. Table saw is the only one that requires direct hands on supervision from me.

    Last weekend I let my son drive for his first time as well. He did quite well, comfortable taking on the responsibility and he didn’t kill us either. (Giant mostly empty parking lot)

  70. @DisgruntledEarthling

    Seeing that all over the place. Bicycle shops having seminars to teach the 20 and 30 – something hipsters how to work on their bike, starting with “adjust pedals / saddle / handlebars” level stuff. The sort of thing that used to be learned in grade school /mid school.

  71. ” The sort of thing that used to be learned in grade school /mid school.”

    Learn’t that from taking bikes apart with my buddies in grade school. Never touched cars much as a kid though and I regret it. The old man being an asshole and working outdoors here in Canada was too discouraging. Mostly do everything on my tractor these days so at least I’m still learning shit.

  72. @O.B.I.T

    “Is there an app that can automatically search-and-replace any Betty Friedan clip with Silvia Caruso? Or at least Lee Aaron?”

    We need this…

  73. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/stephen-paddock-las-vegas-mass-shooting-guns-toxic-masculinity-a7981011.html

    God damn, this is one ugly piece of writing. You want to give the author benefit of doubt of just trying their best and coping with the unspeakable horror that went down in Vegas but this article is just so plain WRONG in every possible kind of way, where this is coming from, the entitlement, the energy behind it, the worldview, the attitude, the conclusions … like WTF lol.

    Ironically here you can as well read the F.I.-matrix speaking about itself:

    “When good people cling on to a value system that is killing others by the million, they do so by insisting what we have isn’t the true, pure version.”

    “Don’t mistake the poor imitation for the thing in itself, even if the former’s all you’re ever going to get.”

    It’s hard for me to relate to my former so-called Blue-Pill-Self now but I wonder how I’d had reacted to an article like this. Would I have read this nodding, going like “Yeah that’s what’s so fucked up about this and everything, it’s ME, because I’m male!! I get it!”

    Like this isn’t even vaguely in my reality anymore. I wonder with a heavy heart how much of this shit is going around out there.

    What. the. Fuck.

  74. I’m just gonna throw this out here, but it’s come to my notice that writing or tweeting virtually anything critical of women’s nature, or dissecting the complexities of how those natures affect men personally and socially, is slowly becoming censored by certain factions in the manosphere.

    Just raising awareness of some facet of women’s influence on men is equated with being ‘butt hurt’ about it; as if the only reason any guy might explore it in writing is because he MUST believe he’s some victim of women’s predations. So the reflexive response amounts to “man up”, “go lift” and “stop giving women power over you” which by themselves aren’t bad advice, but in a context that presumes a man might feel victimized for even considering to write about aspects of women’s nature it is just an effort in silencing the man doing the writing.

    There are almost 600 essays on TRM. I’ve written 3 books. Odds are I’ve covered issues of masculinity and and how it’s being redefined by the FI several times. That in no way means I feel abused by women or feel out of control or any other pathetic reason my critics can concoct to redirect my readers to their Purple Pill woo woo positive mindset, make-money-online template blogs.

    Read my essays within the context of the whole blog. If a guy goes MGTOW that’s on him. If he chooses to use the information I present here to fuck 100 club girls, that’s on him. If a guy divorces his shrieking harpy wife and moves on to a better marriage with another woman, again, that’s his choice. None of their decisions will alter the information I’ll continue to offer here.

    I stated a few posts back that if a man is Red Pill aware and he feels in some way victimized he has no one to blame but himself at this point. He should know better. That doesn’t mean there aren’t Blue Pill Betas still looking to unplug.

  75. @Blax

    Never forget this as what’s considered ” masculine ” is being dictated to you from on high.

    I agree. It also amazes me how people adopt all sorts of trends from celebrities. Not just women. I can not go anywhere now without spotting the tattoo & crop haircut combo.

    @Agent P

    I don’t think I would be so helpless as a millennial to need those tutorials, but truth is, I was never very interested in cars, repairs, etc.

    I also think that relative affluence is a huge factor. Home repairs are not rocket science after all, and if you could not afford a repairman you would do it yourself.

    Anyways, you are doing the right thing by teaching your kids about that stuff. However from my view awareness of the SMP realities and of all the things discussed here is the most important gift you can give them.

    __

    Rollo is of course right in the OP, but at the end of the day, movies are fiction (even if we are unconciously shaped by them in terms of what we expect in our romantic lives).

    My take is that if you are a young man who grew up in a functional intact family with a certain amount of traditional values (not necessarily very religious), you are probably poorly equipped to navigate the current SMP, which is feral. If you have sons please teach them about sex because they won’t learn that anywhere else. In the past this was not really important, today it is.

  76. @Rollo,

    given I am the one who first made the butt hurt comment I owe you a personal reply.

    My observation was simply and primarily about the tone of the piece. As I stated earlier, you are all over this FI shit, it’s your thing, you do it not just well but as an exemplar.

    Be it known that my comment was, as I stated about the tone, not the content. I have no debate whatsoever with the thrust of the content, as always, it’s on the fucking money.I simply meant it “sounded” a little uncharacteristically whingy for you.

    In fairness if you write about this stuff all the time I can imagine how that shade of writing may well be inevitable in some regard or another, simply due to the nature of the content.Perhaps I had an unrealistic expectation or hope for the writing that it could be more, what’s the word? Positive?

    Perhaps my critique was misplaced and I should simply say, “Fuck this constant FI shit is demoralizing and leaves me feeling blue when I keep exposing myself to it.”

    So yeah Rollo, now I am upset with you for not personally making it your mission to keep me happy while I cruise only two sites on the manosphere. you’re such a dick, i cannot believe how uncaring you are!!

    Please keep it up and thanks again for all your hard work.

  77. “None of their decisions will alter the information I’ll continue to offer here.”

    that’s why this is so powerful. each man does with it what he will

    the truth about the FI is not the hardest truth to accept. not even close

    it’s cliche, but all the anger really is rooted in fear.

    if a man can reboot and start with this red pill seed as the base of all his growth, he will have no fear because what men mostly fear today is recent and downright silly. childish. ridiculous.

    the red pill is a super seed that can grow in anything. and it thrives in a foul soup of insane feminist shit – so lucky us to be here in 2017 in the perfect medium

    everything a guy needs to walk out of his prison cell is right here in these pages. it’s staring us all right in the fucking face. with a sublime no fucks given shit eating grin

  78. “Note that fourth wave feminism is moving on to biological sex being a social construct:”

    Excellent. Didn’t know we were up to 4 waves but bring it on. Increase the speed, turn up the volume, keep the pressure on – lash those blue pill men and cut off their escape at every turn until more and more of them react like the cornered rats you have made them.

    An equalist culture based on blank-slate equalism doesn’t see that you don’t separate the animal side of the human being from the high-order side. – Tomassi

    Animal side. Biological imperatives. The law of unintended consequences will manifest itself. The efforts to snuff out masculinity will make it more prevalent. Where was TRM and the androsphere 10 years ago? Don’t know. But look now at how many men are getting the word, are feeling the pressure, are pushing back from somewhere inside despite widespread efforts to make them suppress that impulse. There will be more and more.

    This announcement brought to you by the department of optimism and anecdotes.

    My sons are in their 20s. They have a lot of friends. All of them recognize the increasing effort to shame them for simply being men and acting the way young men do. They know what is going on now and they reject it.

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