Male Control

Back in October, 2016 I wrote an essay called Sexual Zoning. In that post I explored the social inconsistencies and potential for (sometimes catastrophic) consequences for men in misunderstanding what were, and what have become, particular zones in which men and women covertly acknowledge the potential for an intersexual connection.

In the bygone Western social system, young people were expected to regularly interact with one another in controlled, regulated environments, in a way that fostered productive, long-term, monogamous, assortative relationships. This was a sort of “holistic” milieu, so to speak, where young people treated one another as potential future partners, sexual and otherwise, in a socially regulated manner, in all cases when they were permitted to interact. This was even the norm in workplaces where both men and women were present. The average man found a girlfriend through his extended family or social circle, because families and social circles were normally large.

What we have today is the complete opposite: “sexual zoning”. Some mixed-sex environments, like the workplace, schools and campuses, are made completely asexual – sterile, so to speak. No sexualized interactions are permitted to take place. This is demanded by law and expected by society. In such environments, you’re supposed to treat members of the opposite sex strictly as colleagues or professionals, non-sexual beings. (Hot men are allowed to get away with more, of course, but that’s another issue.) Other mixed-sex environments, on the other hand, like nightclubs, are expected to be full-on sexual. Everybody there knows that all interactions entail the future possibility of casual sex. It’s basically a meat market. You’re expected to hit on girls, and girls expect to be hit on by attractive men. Socializing in these environments requires action, engagement. If you want to find a partner, either just for sex or something more, you have to go there, you have to have Game etc.

The video I’ve chosen to dissect here is a prime example of how generations of men have been raised to deliberately misunderstand intersexual dynamics and at the same time demonize the conventional masculinity that so much of western culture has been founded upon. To be thorough though, really every culture throughout history has been primarily founded on conventional masculinity and the aspects that contribute to maleness.

Jonathan McIntosh finds an easy mark in the archetypal masculine characters of Harrison Ford, but there’s a very important reason the 80’s icon is so egregious to the men of McIntosh’s generation. Han Solo, Indiana Jones, etc. are all the Alpha male rogues this generation has been taught to love in terms of bravado, but to hate because they ‘always get the girl’; and they get her in such a way that it grates against all that their feminine-primary upbringing led them to believe was just this side of sexual assault.

McIntosh relates that he was part of a generation that idealized Harrison Ford’s most iconic characters, yet now he feels pangs of regret and resentment for having looked up the characters’ archetype. This is a perfect illustration of how conventional masculinity has been reverse engineered by our feminine-primary social order since the Sexual Revolution. I’ve mentioned in many prior essays that while overt masculinity is vilified as the cause of all social evils, it still remains the most arousing aspect of men for women. Boys like McIntosh saw this archetype and made that connection to female attraction, but it took generations of Blue Pill reconditioning to make them feel bad for ever attempting to adopt that bravado into their own personalities.

While growing up the message was the same Blue Pill identifying with the feminine (in fact Beta Game depends on that identification). Play nice, play equal, respect all women by default and never assert yourself too overtly or too crudely lest you risk offending her sensibilities. These are the boys who were raised by family, media and their schooling to expect a rationality that women could be expected to say what they mean and then do what they said. Yet that never seemed to gel when they would deductively see the girls they wanted, the ones who told them they wanted a ‘nice guy’ who respected them, consistently reward the asshole jerk with the intimacy and sex they thought would come to them if they followed what they were told.

In the end, Han Solo and Indiana Jones get the girl and she genuinely desires him – not because this is some odd fantasy of the writer’s imagination, but because this is (was) a standard aspect of women’s genuine attraction to men. The aberration is the idea that the attraction and affair would go any other way. Only in this feminized generation does thousands of years of male-female interaction seem at all unsettling.

So, here we have conventionally masculine archetypes – sometimes rakish, sometimes bold and dutiful – following their own path, making themselves their Mental Point of Origin, and making their mission (not their woman) their priority. Whether it was Captain Kirk, Han Solo or Conan the Barbarian the mental order was always firmly focused on the individual man and his action. Between the time of the Sexual Revolution and 2017, the Feminine Imperative has systematically erased the conventionally masculine archetype; so much so that the gender-loathing men of this generation are either appalled at displays of masculinity or they simply have no frame of reference with which to contrast it with the distorted and blurred ideas of what masculinity should mean to them.

For some ‘men’ the notion of conventional masculinity itself is rejected altogether. It doesn’t mean anything to be a man for this generation, so conventional archetypes of men are offensive.

As a result of these four to five generations of progressively more feminized men we now see the confusion and disgust at conventional masculinity coming from this generation of men. We see a generation of males who have no positive association with their own gender. They become increasingly more isolated because they are convinced that anything that might be gender-exclusive to men alone is, by default, a form of misogyny. There is nothing ‘positive’ about being a man, yet for all of the misconceptions about gender being social constructs, exclusively female organizing of women and fempowerment is still viewed as beneficial; a sign of society ‘evolving’.

I recently read an article in the Boston Globe about middle aged men’s increasing social isolation. I would argue that for all of the raising of awareness about this phenomenon it is primarily generations of men’s inability to interact with other men that is at the root of this isolation. For decades now men have been discouraged from meeting with other men in any formalized fashion. Men are either suspect of misogyny or homosexuality if they get together for the sake of being men. What were seeing now is generations of men who no longer understand how to socially interact with other men.

Furthermore, when this isolation becomes a concern of women, those men are again berated for not interacting with other men in the ways that women do. Women talk, men do, but a feminine-primary social order only approves of one way for men to associate with one another – in the way that women do. Thus, we see the confusion of women that men don’t call each other up to schedule a coffee date for the express reason of conversation. Men and women have different forms of communication, but the socially approved form is only ever from the feminine context. Men interacting “as men do” – in a conventionally masculine way – is always misogynistic. Thus, we see overseers in the locker room, if only symbolically, to regulate what and how men communicate with each other.

The End of Toxic Masculinity

Dalrock had a great quick-hit post recently about how Michael Moore was suggesting that men be required by law to seek their wife or long-term girlfriend’s (or most recent Ex) signed permission to purchase a firearm in the wake of last week’s mass shooting in Vegas.

That this idea would ever be a serious consideration speaks volumes about how masculine gender-loathing has become endemic in western culture. I get that Michael Moore is a self-inflicted cuck, but all I’m seeing in the wake of the Vegas shooting is less about gun control and more about male control.

It’s no longer about categorizing masculinity as “toxic” or “hyper” – that narrative is officially dropped after this shooting. Now, any masculinity is a threat, any expression of conventional masculinity is the true problem. Suggesting that a woman’s oversight and discernment should be necessary for a man to have access to a civil right only further reinforces what I’ve been saying for some time now – only the feminine is ‘correct’ in any social discourse. Only the feminine is legitimate in exercising judgement, educating new generations and deciding which man will breed and which will not.

Think about this; what’s being suggested is that men be denied a civil right that apparently only women should legitimately have. For all the fallacious blathering of women in pink pussy hats about how they think they’re losing rights today, here we have an actual right of men being denied by women, by the Feminine Imperative.

The ‘toxic’ masculinity narrative made a qualitative distinction between a feminine-acceptable form of masculinity and a potentially dangerous form. Needless to say the accepted form always consisted of whatever aspects of masculinity that was immediately beneficial to womankind. ‘Toxic’ masculinity was always characterized as Man Up or Shut Up masculinity:

Man Up or Shut Up – The Male Catch 22

One of the primary way’s Honor is used against men is in the feminized perpetuation of traditionally masculine expectations when it’s convenient, while simultaneously expecting egalitarian gender parity when it’s convenient.

For the past 60 years feminization has built in the perfect Catch 22 social convention for anything masculine; The expectation to assume the responsibilities of being a man (Man Up) while at the same time denigrating asserting masculinity as a positive (Shut Up). What ever aspect of maleness that serves the feminine purpose is a man’s masculine responsibility, yet any aspect that disagrees with feminine primacy is labeled Patriarchy and Misogyny.

Essentially, this convention keeps beta males in a perpetual state of chasing their own tails. Over the course of a lifetime they’re conditioned to believe that they’re cursed with masculinity (Patriarchy) yet are still responsible to ‘Man Up’ when it suits a feminine imperative. So it’s therefore unsurprising to see that half the men in western society believe women dominate the world (male powerlessness) while at the same time women complain of a lingering Patriarchy (female powerlessness) or at least sentiments of it. This is the Catch 22 writ large. The guy who does in fact Man Up is a chauvinist, misogynist, patriarch, but he still needs to man up when it’s convenient to meet the needs of a female imperative.

Now, in the Feminine Imperative’s unceasing efforts to Remove the Man a distinction between a useful masculinity and a dangerous masculinity is no longer something that resonates. All masculinity, all aspects, beneficial or detrimental, are to be considered the problem:

That the problem might just be masculinity, plain and simple, is not something we’re eager to countenance. While we might be prepared to apply a little structural analysis to the situation – yes, there is something about men and the way they are conditioned that leads us to this place – we’re unwilling to draw any final conclusions. Masculinity doesn’t kill people; it’s those mysterious toxins that are to blame.

[…]But strip away the so-called toxic aspects of masculinity: the aggression, the violence, the hate, the guns, and what are you left with? Strength, endurance, a woody-scented perfume, a liking for the colour blue? Certainly nothing that need be associated with manhood or maleness. These are simply individual qualities. The only reason to code them as “masculine” is to preserve a social hierarchy that ought to be destroyed.

[…]What would be so terrible about a world in which boys were treated no differently to girls from the day they were born? In which there are no pink/blue codifications to hide behind? In which a man’s anger and aggression were considered every bit as aberrant and unnatural as a woman’s?

The problem we’re facing isn’t toxic masculinity; it’s that masculinity is toxic. It’s time we questioned even its most subtle manifestations.

Going forward this will be the narrative. There will be no distinction between misogyny, masculinity and maleness. What this author, perhaps deliberately, doesn’t want to address is that masculinity and all the associated ways our thinking and our behaviors that manifest from the biological side of our nature aren’t something that can be dissociated from us without killing us or erasing what we were evolved to be. There are no truly positive or negative aspects of masculinity, just as there are no positive or negative aspects of Hypergamy. They just are, and what makes them beneficial or detrimental all depends on the context in which they are applied. That may seem strange coming from the author of a book titled Positive Masculinity but understand that what is positive about masculinity is made so by need and by circumstance.

In a world created in the image of the Feminine Imperative masculinity itself is a horrible evil, until it’s needed to save women from rising floodwaters.

You see, for as much as the imperative would like to remove the ‘man’ from our language, our cultural consciousness, that man will always be needed in spite of the hate directed towards masculinity. This is what a feminine-primary society would have us redefine as some other term, something not unique to a male human being. But conventional, evolved, masculine strength and purpose will always manifest in men who unapologetically embrace it without an afterthought.

In my interview with Craig James we discussed men’s higher order thinking and purpose as well as our vital animal nature. You don’t separate one from the other. This is what the Feminine Imperative would have from men; a unilaterally female controlled utility-based masculinity that saves them from the worst consequences of both their environments and their decisions and simultaneously disappears when inconvenient. We hear women bleating about a lack of Real Men and the disappearance of true grit, and in the next article linked we see efforts to erase men entirely from social influence.

As I told Craig, when I’m in the squat rack I’m glad I have a feral, animal nature. It’s a survival aspect of human evolution. I’m not suggesting with this essay that men will become extinct; on the contrary I think what will help define our new conventional masculinity will largely be determined by how we express it in spite of a world arrayed against Man-kind. An equalist culture based on blank-slate equalism doesn’t see that you don’t separate the animal side of the human being from the high-order side. It is unwilling to accept that we need both; that we benefit and sometimes suffer from both.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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“No props or respect given to a fat begging pleading intimidating threatening asshole jerking off in front of random chicks. This is not a man, but he will now be held up as an example of what’s wrong with ” men “. try to imagine you have the youngest juiciest pussy in la slobbing your knob for years…. and then your career continues for another two decades with nothing but more of the same…. it’s not about sex. and it’s not about the girl. it’s about him. and I don’t think any of them were “random” girls. this guy wasn’t… Read more »

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Listen to that tape again closely and tell me again that’s a pimp. Money and power has always been a reliable shortcut to trim. Sometimes it’s a reliable shortcut to prison when the worm turns. This guy was no pimp, nor playa, nor Casanova. He was a fat, ugly game less bitch that took advantage of the fact that women that want something from you will fuck you. Lol, and that’s allllll goooodddd until it goes allllllll baaaadddd. Power conferred by others – revoked. And there is no ” money ” as its an illusion from jump. Disneyland closing up… Read more »

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Agreed not a pimp at all… pussy begging.

The begging may be his one out; Being pathetic may be his defense if this goes to court.

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No defense. NYC wanted to bust his ass, that’s where the tape originated. Prosecutor said it wasn’t enough. Nycpd strongly disagreed. Nothing happened.

That’s the ” power ” part. As a man, I don’t admire shit like that. You didn’t game, you paid.

Take away his money and see him for what he is at his core. Men should never be blinded by money and influence. Leave that shit where it belongs…. With women.

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Blaximus For all the years of money and power, that recording told me everything I need to know. Yep. “Whiny beta bitch boy with money” game works until it doesn’t. Then it reallllly doesn’t. No pimp hand there, just a big checkbook. If this “rehab” in Arizona isn’t followed up by a big apology tour, Weinstein could wind up out of a job and low on money. That’d be a shame. There’s an FBI investigation open. Gosh, I sure hope he didn’t play around with underage girls…the statute of limitations might not yet have run out. He would not do… Read more »

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Weinstein a pimp? LOL I agree with Blax — he had no game at all, no looks, no style. All he had was money and power. That works with women as long as you maintain both of them, and you can’t do that on your own — you are ALWAYS dependent on others for those things. So, tons of women slept with him in exchange transactions for advancing their careers while they were repulsed by him sexually. Not impressive. Not masculine. Not anything other than totally pathetic. A man who is impressive, who is a “pimp”, has tons of women… Read more »

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Weinstein was a trick with lots of money/power and starlets whored for him to get roles.

Whores will fuck tricks for benefits and whores will fuck pimps because they love them.

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But……ah gotz CASH!!

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Any man with money will never know for sure whether a woman loves him or not. Women get horny sometimes and then they can fuck anything. If you game a girl and she is all giggly, then gets messy and dirty, then outright solicitous…you will not get that girl back to square zero just by walking her a few flights downstairs from the club and have her discover that you roll in a merc. But the following day might catch her thinking whether she gave it up too soon. Too late for a trick, too loaded for a pimp.

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@Blaximus October 15, 2017 at 1:24 pm Define ” honor ” please. _____________________________________ Really easy: The public respect that somebody enjoys based on values and personal character (unsaid addendum: shown in actions & behaviour) Some simple examples: Situation / honorable thing to do / what I do now list: Situation: Subway in Cologne 3 weeks ago – (city of last december’s mass sex. assault) – HB8 aggressivly “chatted up”/”felt up” by immigrant (read: muslim & brown/black) scum. Just two guys, both very scrawny, not used to resistence, teenagers. Honorable thing to do: Defend her. What I do now: Laugh at… Read more »

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@ Having a bad day Thank you sooooo much for engaging me and breaking down the points the way you have. Although, your answers seem like the long path to the social change, it still makes a lot of sense. It is all a different fighting strategy on our part. To those saying teach other men. My experience has been that unless they are men are their breaking point they while defend the FI with their whole being. I’ve had to cut friendships with a few men like that. Anyway, I think I got the answer I was searching and… Read more »

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“If the door is closed, and the woman does not swiftly make an exit, sex is likely to ensue, and she consented to the likelihood that it would ensue. If a man and a woman are together in private in a secure place for a reasonable length of time, there is good chance that they are going to have sex regardless of what they theoretically intend. If a woman consents to be alone with a man in private, she knows full well that sex may well ensue.” […] “But since she probably did not intend any of that to happen,… Read more »

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@ Anonymous Reader
I don’t know how to post a screen shot via my phone on this blog otherwise I’d have done so. Do you know how to do it?

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@ 447 Well. Honor is not a put upon obligation to anyone, Society included. Honor is a personal thing that, like anything that is real, is internalized. Looking for a cookie or reward for having a personal code of honor is a frustrating mistake that will only fail in the long run. The opposite of honor is not angry butthurt. I’ve helped women that were truly being accosted because I have the ability, and I hate seeing bullies us physical force against anyone. That’s my code and I don’t think about it or compare it to anything external. I would’ve… Read more »

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Maybe it’s our food that is the back door to controlling us, not (just) our politics:

https://qz.com/786382/monsanto-bayer-dupont-dow-chemical-and-syngenta-defend-their-coming-oligopoly-mon-dd-dow-syt/

Can’t quite put my finger on it, but this shit smells diabolical, devious and nefarious

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I’m with you, @447…only women whom I personally know to be honorable get my assistance. Thinking that just because a woman is weak and being attacked means that I need to protect her isn’t part of my thinking. Otoh, I assume that most men are honorable and I will aid a man who is being bullied if needed.

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Like I said…. Every day, all day.

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@ j

I stopped reading your link when I got to the whole ” blacks and criminal and dope dealer ” thing.

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… Lol.. This shit never ends.

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To those saying teach other men. My experience has been that unless they are men are their breaking point they while defend the FI with their whole being.

We know. Rollo’s written about that a few times. Here’s just two examples. There are more.

https://therationalmale.com/2012/07/25/the-5-stages-of-unplugging/

https://therationalmale.com/2012/04/10/the-bitter-taste-of-the-red-pill/

When you claim to have read the site, but it is obvious that you don’t even know where the search window is, you look dumb.

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only women whom I personally know to be honorable get my assistance.

Really….

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Magic powers. Impressive.

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@447

Even in the Code of Chivalry, knights were not required to defend dishonorable women. It was the Victorian Age that brought the notion that gentlemen needed to protect ALL women–even dishonorable ones. The FI was pushing on men even back then.

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@mersonia

“only women whom I personally know to be honorable get my assistance.
Really….

YaReally…a very short list indeed. And my magical powers are simply awesome. XD

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@ Honor is not a put upon obligation to anyone, Society included. Honor is a personal thing that, like anything that is real, is internalized. Looking for a cookie or reward for having a personal code of honor is a frustrating mistake that will only fail in the long run. ___________________________________________________ Might be the language barrier – I’m not talking about expecting cookies, have never been inflicted by thinking in covert contracts (Nice-Guy-like, according to No More Mister Nice Guy). Not even with girls, though I formerly was super clueless in other areas of gaming them. Your input (while appreciated)… Read more »

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Jafyk

I don’t know how to post a screen shot via my phone on this blog otherwise I’d have done so. Do you know how to do it?

You need to post the screenshot to an image hosting site like Imgur, then take the link to that image and post it here. If you look at memes posted here you’ll see a URL pointing to an image, usually a .jpg or .png

Example:

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@447

It is hard to read this autism

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theasdgamer October 16, 2017 at 8:46 am @447 Even in the Code of Chivalry, knights were not required to defend dishonorable women. It was the Victorian Age that brought the notion that gentlemen needed to protect ALL women–even dishonorable ones. The FI was pushing on men even back then. __________________________________________ Thank youmfor reminsing me – the seminal researchnin the manosphere about the xontrolling ideals of “romantic courtship” were a big eye-opener for me. The problem for me is that I ALMOST cannot identify the few honorable women anymore, because they are almost non-existent and my PUA- phase taught me that… Read more »

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Jafyk:
If you look at the meme above the URL is “htt ps://i.imgflip.com/1xp9mw.jpg” (without the gap).
That’s the imate 1xp9mw.jpg at the host imgflip.com

It might be easier if you export the screenshot off of your phone to something with a keyboard such as a tablet, netbook, laptop or desktop. I have not ever uploaded an image or meme from a phone handset.

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@447

Nice comment 219565…except, why would you want to vote wrong wing?

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@447

You’re like cool version of Albert.

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@447

It is hard to read this autism
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If reward for antisocial behaviour big
PLUS
punishment for anti-social behaviour equals ZERO

Then

Behaving in antisocial ways = a rational choice

Because you massivly profit sexually and sometimes profit financially.

Simple enough now? 😋

You could even call this….”making yourself (and not abstract ideas like the greater good or womens stated preferences) your mental point of origin.”

Perhaps you heard about this super-complicated and autistic thing called ” making yourself your metal point of origin” before….🤔

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lol I shared the link because i liked his take on Weinstein/closed doors/women. That’s why I quoted that part. Now to further qualify myself, I have 2 black guys I consider good friends from opposite sides of the class system. My wingman: law school student rich black dude around my age. And an older black guy in his 30s lower class gangster serious pimp. All we share in common is being playboys. Maybe I should have added a trigger warning lol

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theasdgamer October 16, 2017 at 9:12 am @447 Nice comment 219565…except, why would you want to vote wrong wing? ______________________________________________ I have no innate wish to do so. Reasons: 1. There are no conservative parties anymore, every party is pro feminism & immigration. 2. Established parties greatly fear rise of right wing parties because they are a serious thread to the number of their paid Parliament jobs and could cut funding for feminism, left-wing “social projects”, “art” etc. 3. Indirect influence: Even just the threat of a rise in “right wing parties” causes auch great fear in established parties in… Read more »

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Yeah. My point flew over @447’s head at supersonic speed evidently as he went on sticking to his original thought without any regard to the point I was trying to convey. He wants to just check out and then stand around complaining until things really do go all to hell. Then he’s looking for some brown shirts to join @ 447 I’ll try again, overcoming any language barrier hopefully. Honor is an internalized, personal choice. It stands alone from ” society “. It has nothing to do with immigration status or sex. Those are your particular demons and they have… Read more »

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@447 when you write “honourable woman” do you mean “quality woman”?
Be careful with that stuff.

https://therationalmale.com/2013/03/19/quality-women/

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@Blaximus I’ll try again, overcoming any language barrier hopefully. Honor is an internalized, personal choice. It stands alone from ” society “. It has nothing to do with immigration status or sex. Those are your particular demons and they have nothing at all to do with personal ” honor “. ________________________________________ If you redefine honor this way and/or start from the assumption that honor is a total individual decision divorced from society – I agree to all your arguments. Concerning the ” complaining” and ” brown shirts” part – well…if you think that way, I have no way to convince… Read more »

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October 16, 2017 at 9:46 am

@447 when you write “honourable woman” do you mean “quality woman”?
Be careful with that stuff.

https://therationalmale.com/2013/03/19/quality-women/
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Thank you.
I agree completely.
As written above: My dabbling in PUA caused me to reject this idea entirely.

I cannot identify any “quality women” anymore, at least not in the naive sense.

One can enjoy women, but there are no unicorns.

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Blaximus October 16, 2017 at 9:28 am Excellent explanations about honor. As was well explained as a tactical virtue in one man’s group among other men. Honor is about you among other men in your group. (how ever big or small you define that…) When it all burns down to 447’s liking, he’s going to want to call on honor among men (however small the group) as a tactical virtue. Because: good luck defending your tribes perimeter without tactical honor among other men. https://therationalmale.com/2016/03/25/children-and-cornfields/#comment-148557 “Honor (the final virtue) is a confusing topic in our society because a lot of it… Read more »

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@ 447 I don’t ” shame ” men. If men feel shame, or the intent of shaming, that’s on them. I’m not a feminist so I don’t engage in femspeak. I’m also not a communist or socialist or any other popular terminology being inserted into argument/dialogue as of late. My description of honor stands on its own. I don’t believe in men linking anything about what is dictated about themselves from society at large to who they actually are. I have long term experience in this regard. The disillusionment comes when men start to ” get this ” because of… Read more »

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@447

One can enjoy women, but there are no unicorns.

Blaximus observed a year or so back: They are all girls.
All of them. I started testing that and have confirmed in many places including churches and universities.

Or you can take Sentient’s angle: Cats are not dogs.
Don’t expect a cat to play “fetch the stick” (although I had one that would, once).
Don’t expect a dog to climb a tree.

Cat speak is not dog speak.

Evolutionary psychology plays a big role in this.

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@447 For reference, here is a comment in which Jack Donovan’s explanation of Honor Among Men was given essentially cutting and pasting most of his chapter on Honor: https://therationalmale.com/2016/02/15/the-warrior-princess/comment-page-5/#comment-141140 A teeny tiny excerpt from that: Flamboyant dishonor is an openly expressed lack of concern for one’s reputation for strength, courage and mastery within the context of an honor group comprised primarily of other men. ………. The kind of masculine status anxiety Kimmel wrote about has much to do with the way men fumble to translate the honor of the small, bonded male gang into a complex modern society full of… Read more »

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“Evolutionary psychology plays a big role in this.” –AR @447: What Blaximus is trying to explain to you is that your idea that Honor is a social construct was socially constructed for you. Honor is something that is biologically innate in men, although social in the sense that it is also between men, as we are a social species. It is one of the essences of masculinity (and hence why an anti-masculine society would want to provide you with a false definition). I also note that the problems you are facing with immigrants in Germany is that they come from… Read more »

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Watching what women do is awesome magick! You too can be a PUA sorcerer!

@SJF

I pity the fool who tries to fuck with me. Ton included. (Ton, no offense intended, but you are the best example I know of of someone who has top level fighting skills.) I know how to hunt mammoths. If I run, it’s for a tactical or strategic reason, like G. Washington.

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No cookies for honor? Honor is something men require of themselves, just because they can. But when an act done out of honor is spat on, it will be withdrawn.

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A weird thing happened recently. For the first time in many years I’ve been given a warning in a relationship message board called http://www.loveshack.org/forums/ I’ve known this message board for a long, long time. I first discovered it because I was studying psychology at the time and it provided a good deal of info on the psychology of human relationships and interactions. In 10+ years that I’ve browsed it, it proved to be a great source of knowledge on the kind of filthy and abhorrent things humans can do to each other. A couple of days ago, I decided to… Read more »

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Epstein –

When ” younger, tighter, hotter ” goes horribly wrong.

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Ronan “A couple of days ago, I decided to post a sincere reply to a guy who had recently found out his wife had cheated on him. Most posts there were the typical “mangina” (guys posts) and “femdom” ones. My reply was your typical RP one. Guess what: I was banned. On that forum one can find score of bitches insulting men. Yet a man isn’t even allowed to give a sincere opinion on Male/Female interaction.” Reddit has done this a lot without clarifying… Twitter has gotten flack but Gab seems to be a place where this is least likely… Read more »

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Yeesh all this rich guy hate makes me glad JP Getty once existed. Whenever I hear dive bar trash cluck on about how money doesn’t matter, I chuckle to myself at how much of his money he got to keep when he died.

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Anyone noticing the sudden wave of virtue signalling and white knighting on social media with the whole metoo campaign. Sexual harassment is wrong and I’ve witnessed various ways it was ignored when I worked in the court system. But what wer’re sewing here seems to be this whole burst of anger at men Ilin general. My game has actually suffered as a result in the last few weeks. I’ve been too nervous to escalate fearing possible backlash or white knights witnessing my success and intervening…. Maybe my fears are unfounded but in at least 3 instances I backed off escalating… Read more »

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off topic: what happened to goldmundunleashed.com? Getting a passworded login page

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Anyone noticing the sudden wave of virtue signalling and white knighting on social media with the whole metoo campaign. No, but I don’t use Twatter or FB much. Sexual harassment is wrong Examples? Coercion via denying a promised raise or promotion or threat of firing? Was the carrot used or a stick? The difference is critical. Did HW use coercion? I fail to see it. These girls were seeking a job in a whorish industry, not already employed and being threatened with being fired if they didn’t sex up the boss. Girls will always claim sexual harassment to get their… Read more »

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On side note (Off topic)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMGZEnnLi3U
“Money, status, power, fame, none of it will cure Beta.”
Walawala
I run in this all the time
“At my Latin dance events male organizers are pre emptively saying any unwanted advances in the venue will result in immediate ejection and banning.”
Leave the venue as a suggestion. But its incredibly tough to handle in this current culture we live in.
DisgruntledEarthling
Same here got the same on twitter… In a state of solitude i would leave him their its for him for his own reason’s maybe later the break will come out about his reason’s.

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@Rollo

All that’s left is to see how extreme a depraved Beta mind will go to.

Why is Weinstein any more depraved than Wilt Chamberlain?

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lol. You crack me up.

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Weinstein a pimp? LOL

Exactly Nova. He was a John, not a pimp. Instead of paying cash, he was paying with access to roles and jobs. The essence of pimp/alpha whatever fuck term you want to use is that the women WANT to fuck you, are ENTHUSIASTIC about fucking you, not fucking you in exchange for something else of value, that’s just a variation on beta provider game.

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Latin dance events? No thanks — too many of the women are post-Hadrian’s Wall

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As if on cue …. new article in Esquire strongly re-affirming sexual de-zoning of workplaces for most men. Note the last line, however (if a woman wants to fuck you, she’ll tell you) — the sheer irony is delicious and it’s really only intelligible from the red pill perspective. Not only does it leave open the door for workplace sex for a subset of men (obvious really because everyone, including the author of this piece, knows there’s plenty of that going on all over the place), but legitimizes women acting on their sexual impulses at work while spending endless paragraphs… Read more »

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“This contradiction is made without any recognition or irony whatsoever. This is because we live in a truly female primary age, where it’s taken for granted that the exercises of make sexual agency by most men is terrible and must be restricted, while the exercise of female sexual agency is always fine and certainly never problematic, regardless of the context. That, and, of course, open hypergamy — so wide open you can hear the door creaking in the wind.” This must be why I am getting FB posting about Bro-mances (i.e articles about guys hanging out together rather than with… Read more »

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“Why is Weinstein any more depraved than Wilt Chamberlain?”

Women brag about banging Wilt and get upset if he doesn’t name them.

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Anonymous Reader October 16, 2017 at 10:04 am @447 One can enjoy women, but there are no unicorns. Blaximus observed a year or so back: They are all girls. All of them. I started testing that and have confirmed in many places including churches and universities. __________________________________ Sounds pretty positive to me – in comparison. My take on it: Most (close to all of them) are simply biological whores. The only difference to regular whores/prostitutes is that they “sell” sexual access for tingles (=amoral, instinctive judgement of mating fitness plus opportunity). They (including the so-called good girls, irrespective of age,… Read more »

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@ Weinstein discussion: I am surprised about him being a beta in this discussion…I could imagine him being ANYTHING but a beta? Reasons: 1. Straight up forcing a women and raping her (which perhaps happened, perhaps not) – isn’t that either (amoral/antagonistic) alpha (Dshingis Khan like) OR lowest of omega (psychopath incel graps girl from street like) ? 2. “Seducing” by promise of social status – alpha business tycoons or ugly omega-dwarf financial geniuses surly fucked many a secretary who otherwise would have cried “rape”, but did not because of his achievements. 3. Playing the Hugo-Schwyzer game of “I am… Read more »

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@ pinelero October 17, 2017 at 5:51 am This must be why I am getting FB posting about Bro-mances (i.e articles about guys hanging out together rather than with women). The articles don’t really openly shame these guys, but don’t really highlight these gatherings as being positive either. Reading between the lines it’s like subtle shaming as in you must be gay to hang with guys instead of chasing the hypergameous wall bangers. __________________________ You don’t have ro wait too longnfor that: When those evil male pigs who harass chaste, hard-working womyn all the time decide to simply leave the… Read more »

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One of the most fascinating thing I’ve found about TRM’s comment section over the years is that every so often a commenter will materialize out of the ether and just say the damndest things imaginable. Actual rape, not just an accusation, in ” civilized ” society ( western version ) is not ” alpha ” behavior. Manipulation for sex is not alpha behavior. Using illusionary props in lieu of actual masculine/alpha cred is not alpha. Being awkwardly uncalibrated and socially maladjusted is not alpha. Not every CEO or wealthy person is alpha. In fact, most are not at all. True… Read more »

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At least read Rollo’s writings and then come back and see if your current opinion and outlook will change.

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trading for pussy (instead he seems to be going “You suck me or you will never get a career in this industry!” right in their faces),

“You suck me or you will never get a career in this industry!” right in their faces)”

equals

“trading for pussy”

quid pro quo

there was no coercion in that although it may have felt like coercion…merely a demand for sex or she would not receive payment…trading for pussy

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I can count on 1 hand, excluding my thumb and pinky, the times I’ve ever verbally told a woman to blow me.

Joking around not withstanding.

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yep 447, you should be ashamed of yourself for coming over to TRM and asking pointed questions about some of the fuzziness of RP/pua/game; go get yourself some acceptable insight so that those who already know it all aren’t troubled by your dumbass questions

no shit, the apparent contradictions aren’t really there if you already know it all

and if you still don’t get it, prepare yourself for more shaming and belittlement you fucking loser

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I don’t think that Rollo was talking about “feelz”. Buy a ticket and you can try again.

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It’s probably not a good idea to use strong emotional rhetoric in a TRM discussion if you can’t even recognize when someone is trading pussy.

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@447 My take on it: Most (close to all of them) are simply biological whores. The only difference to regular whores/prostitutes is that they “sell” sexual access for tingles (=amoral, instinctive judgement of mating fitness plus opportunity). They (including the so-called good girls, irrespective of age, social status etc., ofc) fall for all the stuff you know from PUA and dont even require ressources. I’ve heard this argument before. Consider the mating interaction from a physiological perspective…women mate with alphas…women fall in love with alphas, physiologically…women allow betas to buy sex…there is no physiological bonding with betas…whoring doesn’t involve physiological… Read more »

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There’s a difference between ” pointed questions ” and angry butthurt.

Anytime I see a man keep referring to all women as ” whores “, it shows a lack of understanding on a SITE THAT HAS HUNDREDS OF OP’S THAT DO AN ADMIIRABLE JOB OF EXPLAINING AND BREAK DOWN.

I don’t know it all , but I’m not thrown or confused by the fucking basics.

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@ASD:

Yeah. I mean, really, what the hell does a woman’s desire have to do with her feelz?

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@447; Christina Grey (50 shades of grey) is a fictional character, but would you classify him as Alpha or not?

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Lol.

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Blaximus “Being awkwardly uncalibrated and socially maladjusted is not alpha.” If anything what kicks my whole being into overdrive is that all the trauma and the pain is self infected if you extend trust where it is not giving… If you take a shit test seriously. The interesting thing about my transformation is calibrating who and when to talk to about anything of meaning to me… Growing up in religion people keep enforcing me to tell the “truth” which for me meant everywhere no matter what. What i learned through calibration is that people don’t appreciate it it unless something… Read more »

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Media continuing frantic pivot from “Uh-Oh, Movie Industry We Like is Full of Pigs” to “Alllright Baby, Entire Country We Hate is Full of Pigs.” ABC poll today paints “unwanted and inappropriate advances” as epidemic across America.

Remember that polls usually reveal agendas, not actual attitudes

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October 17, 2017 at 9:06 am

@447; Christina Grey (50 shades of grey) is a fictional character, but would you classify him as Alpha or not?
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If forced to decide only between alpha and beta (no options/deviations possible) I would of course classify him as alpha.
Leader of men, desired by women, powerful, strong body etc etc.
As a figure he is literally scripted to contain all alpha traits possible, yet be vulnerable and super obsessive/stalkerlike about one (presumably? Am not really sure) basic girl/young woman who goes on to “decipher” him.

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That Aeon story on hypergamy lays things out pretty nicely, though as the author himself admits, social scientists do tend to belabor the “blindly obvious.”

Best part was how married women — at least in their own minds — develop a small stable of potential replacement mates, like “keeping a pot of soup bubbling on the back burner,”

Or to put it in baseball terms, gals want to make sure they’ve got a righty and a lefty up in the pen when their marriage hits the inevitable sixth-inning slump.

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@blax – so you’ve rarely had to verbally say ‘blow me’ to a chick cuz with your game, they just know to start sucking – and to you, the basics have never been a problem – you’ve always had your game tight or least far ahead of most men – you learned this by watching older males that you grew up around…. soaked it up more than had things explicitly explained – you’re a good looking dude which although not necessary, is extremely helpful – you apply RP holistically and have enjoyed success with it outside of intersexual dynamics all… Read more »

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@kfg

if she doesn’t have feelz, the john is creepy and sleazy, so why the hell is Rollo channeling the FI????

lots of that going on in TRM recently by people who should know better

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Most (close to all of them) are simply biological whores. Eh, no. The site has numerous, numerous, numerous fine articles about alpha and beta and women’s desire for both, at different times in life, at different times of the month, and for different reasons/motives. ASDG has it more or less correctly stated. Women mate with alphas for seed, so the attraction is urgent and sexual, because urgent sex acquires the seed. Women mate with betas for the support/affection/comfort of pairing and typically raising children together. Women want both, but as you can see the *sexual* urgency is only for the… Read more »

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Yes.

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The asterisks (**) refer to yet another conversation I had with a woman recently about her failing marriage. Yet again the “you know, I love him, I really, really do, he’s a great guy, and he’ll always be family to me, but I .. I don’t know I’m just not in love with him any more, and I don’t think I ever will be .. we’ve just grown too different in the last few years and I don’t want to spend the rest of my life with him, you know?”. Does the woman already have another guy lined up? Yup,… Read more »

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Blaximus October 17, 2017 at 9:01 am There’s a difference between ” pointed questions ” and angry butthurt. Anytime I see a man keep referring to all women as ” whores “, it shows a lack of understanding on a SITE THAT HAS HUNDREDS OF OP’S THAT DO AN ADMIIRABLE JOB OF EXPLAINING AND BREAK DOWN. I don’t know it all , but I’m not thrown or confused by the fucking basics. _____________________________________ You read what you want to read. And then go on to your journey of defenses. Last place I was expecting to encounter the ” Mylady-defense” was… Read more »

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Novaseeker October 17, 2017 at 10:21 am Most (close to all of them) are simply biological whores. Eh, no. The site has numerous, numerous, numerous fine articles about alpha and beta and women’s desire for both, at different times in life, at different times of the month, and for different reasons/motives. ________________ Read the articles. Agree to them. Am flamed on other boards for reposting them, esp. the infamous chart. 🤗 My subjective take on women as a result of first learning to PU them and then later reading all that red pill stuff: Most women are not LITERAL whores,… Read more »

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The Rape of the Sabine Women was the, well, seminal event in founding the Roman Empire, because it was the women who argued the defense. Without that the crude military camp that was Rome at the time would have been razed to the ground and every man brutally slaughtered.

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What is the difference between rapist Bill Clinton and rapist Harvey Weinstein?

Women defend Clinton.

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Women’s sexual response is the only valid metric for women’s sexual response.

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The Rape of the Sabine Women was the, well, seminal event in founding the Roman Empire, because it was the women who argued the defense. Without that the crude military camp that was Rome at the time would have been razed to the ground and every man brutally slaughtered.
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A very strong argument in my opinion. I will have to think about it.

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Doc Zipper

” so you’ve rarely had to verbally say ‘blow me’ to a chick cuz with your game, they just know to start sucking”

Blax is not alone here…

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