Peterson drops the ball in a couple of forgivable instances here. First, many contemporary studies show that women do in fact enter an estrus state. Secondly, while he is entirely correct about women’s Hypergamy never seeking its own level, he implies here that it is singularly a man’s capacity to produce and share resources that forms the basis for women’s attraction. This is an interesting overlook when you consider how often he’s made reference to how women primarily look for sexual dominance in men. From the Beta Bucks, provisioning, side of women’s sexual strategy, a man’s capacity for production and sharing resources is certainly an attraction cue, but it is only a cue insofar as it applies to women’s long term security needs. From the Alpha Fucks, short term mating perspective, it is a man’s capacity for sexual arousal and his sexual availability to her that is the basis for assessing a man’s SMV.
I have a great deal of respect for Dr. Peterson. I count him amongst the greatest minds of Red Pill awareness, however, his analysis is often subject to a Blue Pill conditioning that predisposes him to a default belief in the inherent ‘goodness’ of the female psyche. That isn’t to say women are inherently ‘bad’, but it is to say his objectivity is colored by a want to see the feminine on a pedestal. Peterson tends to pepper in a Blue Pill conditioned masculine ridicule into his observations about men when he’s detailing gender differences and it’s his habit to presume the best from women. He accurately makes the case here for how men are continually driven by an existential crisis when it comes to being accepted by (‘perfectly well-intended’) women in passing on their genetic material, but falls into the trap of believing that women would only, logically, want to breed with men who have good long term prospects for providing and sharing resources. There’s a 30+ year body of evo-bio / evo-psych research that contradicts his presumption.
However, in this instance, Peterson hits upon the fundamental reasoning as to why men are by nature more competitive than women. Over the millennia of human evolution, the stresses of men’s breeding strategies and realities has become hardwired into the male mental firmware, and as such it has selected-for men having a more competitive nature than women. I would go so far as to suggest that competitiveness is a primary aspect of conventional masculinity – and one that requires a constant effort to socialize out of modern males today.
On the female side we have to consider how women evolved, socially and psychologically, in hunter-gatherer, foraging tribes, and how the environmental stress of maintaining a social collective shaped women’s mental firmware. It’s my belief that women’s intense need for long term security (as well as Hypergamous doubt) is directly descended from the need to hedge against the environmental uncertainties of our evolutionary past. The rigors of gestation, carrying a child to term, child birth and then rearing that child to puberty – all while gathering food and resources and defending that child and the collective against external (and sometime internal) threats selected-for women with a collectivist / cooperative mental firmware. While the men of the tribal society were off hunting game or defending the tribe, it would follow that women would develop a more unitary, collectivist social order of intrasexual cooperation in order to survive and, as Dr. Peterson points out, ensure that the genetic material of the men they selected (or were selected by) survived for posterity.
In several essays, and in my latest book, I describe women’s natural social order as the Sisterhood Über Alles. That is ‘women above all else’, and from an evolved psychological perspective this solidarity, collectivism and cooperative bent is the mental vestige of an evolution that demanded women to be so in order to survive. Evolution doesn’t care how women breed and survive, just that women breed and survive. Flash forward to modern times and we see women of every and any social, political, religious and racial stripe preempt any conviction inspired by them with the concerns of womankind.
There are several studies that indicate that collectivism is a characteristic of women’s mental firmware. When presented with the distribution of a common wealth (or resource) it’s women’s predisposition to mete those resources out to the familial, feminine-primary social group (tribe) in as even a distribution as possible, or by an individual’s most pressing needs. Again, this is convincing evidence of a mental framework that leans towards a collectivism that finds its roots in our evolutionary past.
This fundamental prioritizing of the survival, needs and best interests of women as a collective is what now forms the basis of, and drives, what I commonly refer to as the Feminine Imperative. And from the Feminine Imperative, combined with a male-permissive social structure that has allowed for women’s social primacy, we have largely developed into a feminine-primary social order that is founded on the evolved, collectivist social structure that women’s mental firmware naturally predisposes them to.
Collectivism, socialism, is a fundamental aspect of the female psyche. In a social order that prioritizes female interests above all else we see the rise and perpetuation of an egalitarian equalism that finds its roots in women’s natural predisposition for collectivism. I would argue here that the egalitarian equalism we contend with today is really a convenient cover-term for female social primacy, and one that is a result of women’s collectivist nature.
Male Dominance Hierarchies
As Dr. Peterson briefly details in this clip, it is primarily men’s performance burden (and a man’s capacity to share the fruits of it) that has historically been the basis of women’s selection criteria for the long term provisioning aspect of women’s Hypergamous natures. And as I mentioned, this only covers half of what makes for women’s true assessments of men’s sexual market value. DNA mapping of our foraging ancestors reveals the real story about the importance sexual arousal and strategic pluralism played in women’s sexual selection. Historically, only 20% of men bred with 80% of women. If we only look at this fact from Peterson’s perspective we’re left to conclude that this 20% looked like good long term prospects with resources to share, rather than consider the uglier side of Hypergamy and women opportunistically breeding with the best physical specimens they had access to and, proactively or retroactively, cuckolding the ‘good provider’. The mental schema of mate guarding didn’t develop in a vacuum – there are very good evolutionary reasons why men developed a subconscious, peripheral sensitivity to the behaviors that indicate women’s ovulatory phase.
Hypergamy doesn’t care, but it did indeed play a part in the evolution of men’s dominance hierarchies as Peterson suggests. Whether the criteria for selection was physical prowess or provisional prowess, the breeding pressures placed on men by women’s sexual strategy is responsible for a great deal of what we consider the male nature and conventional masculinity itself. While it may be a pleasant fiction for men to apply terms like strength and honor and fidelity to male-kind, those concepts exist outside the evolved male-competitive nature. Kings and emperors had breeding rights to harems while their subjects, by order of degree, had sexual access to progressively diminishing opportunities with women.
One aspect I think Peterson didn’t get around to explaining in this clip is that women have only had unilateral sexual selection opportunity in the past century due to the social and physical unfettering of Hypergamy. Being a king may’ve meant that man had more breeding opportunities than that of his lessers, but it in no way made him the best, or even the willing, choice for the women he bred with. Up until the rise of feminine social primacy, men have always had social, moral, ethical and yes, physical, means of exerting their own control over Hypergamy.
Competitiveness is what defines masculinity for every generation of men. While it may be part of women’s mental firmware to consider the collective first with regard to resource distribution, it is most definitely an evolved characteristic of men to accrue resources in order to be considered a good prospect for women’s long term security needs. When we consider the criteria women have in order for a man to represent an optimal Hypergamous prospect, it makes pragmatic sense that an innate competitiveness would be part of men’s psychological firmware. Nature would select-for a natural competitiveness in men. As such we observe that men consider merit and performance first in distributing resources (rewards) in order to recognize, in theory, an exceptionality in men. Even if it is within our selfish-gene nature to want to retain as much for ourselves (and thus make ourselves better prospects for Hypergamous optimization) we still recognize merit, or lack of it, in men’s burden of performance.
So, with regard to the bigger societal picture, what we’re seeing in our egalitarian equalist social experiment of today is not just a conflict in men and women’s social approaches, but also a fundamental conflict in which sex’s sexual strategy will be the socially predominant one. In a social sense it is a conflict in the Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies. Since the time of the Sexual Revolution the answer has been clear; it is women’s sexual strategy that has been allowed to define our social order.
Brotherhood
Jack Donovan had a great post back in February titled We are not Brothers. I entirely cosign his sentiment in this essay – today men bandy around the term Brother without really considering the deeper implications that true, in-group, exclusively male, brotherhood entails. It’s a good essay, but I think one reason Jack is sensitive to the term losing its meaning is due to the efforts the Feminine Imperative has made in destroying men’s understanding of conventional masculinity. It’s deliberate, so Brotherhood means whatever the feminine feels comfortable in allowing it to mean, and it can effect control over its significance for as long as it can continue to confuse men about the sacrificial nature of conventional masculinity.
Men’s dominance hierarchies and breeding strategies predispose men to maverick independence (sigmas) or intrasexual rivalries within a fraternal group (tribes). Men’s collective, cooperative social structures – traditionally, exclusive male spaces – existed in spite of this intrasexually competitive nature. Even amongst the most steadfast, cooperative and loyal of brotherhoods there will always be intrasexual rivalries for breeding opportunities. And as Jordan B. Peterson notes, it is women’s Hypergamy that gives rise to male dominance hierarchies, but moreover it has led to the necessity for developing an evolved predisposition for men’s being competitive.
It is precisely this competitive mental firmware in men which makes it next to impossible for their to ever be a Brotherhood Über Alles – and in an age where men are shamed for masculinity, an age in which women will force themselves into male space as overseers, an age where men will adaptively define masculinity to mean whatever suits their weakest proficiencies, it’s easy to understand the difficulties in men cooperatively coming together to enforce their own collective best interests as men. In ages past, when masculine cooperation determined the fate of a tribe, a people, a nation, etc. this fraternity was a much more imperative concept for men.
It’s been noted before that in earlier eras formalized monogamy was a social adaptation with the latent purpose of solving men’s evolved imperative to ensure his own paternity. Whether this adaptation was (is) a successful hedge against women’s Hypergamy is debatable, but the relative insurance a man was afforded by formal monogamy was that he could send his genetic material on to successive generations. From an evolutionary perspective, men’s primary existential crisis is reproduction, and in order to successfully solve this problem women’s Hypergamy must be controlled for. As this push for male control superseded women’s imperatives it’s made for a social guarantee that a man would reproduce with a lessened need for competition and a lessened burden of performance for men. While high SMV men were guaranteed reproduction, the monogamy adaptation meant that, theoretically, only the lowliest of men wouldn’t find a mate.
That was the latent socio-sexual contract prior to the Sexual Revolution. Today, we see parallels for this struggle between men and women’s sexual strategies and women’s own social push to unilaterally control and institutionalize Hypergamy. Now the script has been flipped to socially create and enforce a new feminine-primary structure that has the latent purpose of ensuring even the lowest SMV woman can fulfill Hypergamy to a greater degree. Just as formal monogamy sought to ensure men could solve their reproductive purpose in spite of his performance burden, now we have women as the primary beneficiaries of a society structured to, theoretically, ensure they have access to both the best genes (Alpha Fucks) and the best provisioning (Beta Bucks) – all to the point that men are conscripted into doing so.
As women have less and less need of men who can (directly) produce and share resources the concept of masculine cooperation in enforcing their best interests becomes a farce at best, a ‘hate crime’ at worst. The more women can produce and/or consume resources, or conscript men to involuntarily produce and share, the more women lean towards the Alpha Fucks aspect of Hypergamy in prioritizing their sexual selection. As a result, male dominance hierarchies will continue to develop around the short term sexual breeding criteria of women. In the past, as per Dr. Peterson, that hierarchy may have been centered on long term provisioning; today it is all about women’s pleasure in accessing the best genetic material her evolved hindbrain determines is in her best interests.
Yet still we hear women bemoan a lack of marriageable, long term producer/sharers who are their (perceived) status equals or better (always better). The evolved need for that security providing, competent male is still part of her mental firmware, no matter what the social conventions of the Feminine Imperative are telling her conscious self. And in a pragmatic, adaptive response, men will continue to define masculinity for themselves, continue to prioritize short term sexual arousal above long term attraction, and continue to be befuddled or embarrassed by the ideas of forming Brotherhoods with any deeper meaning than what pop culture will define them for men as.
Late edit: Reader Novaseeker had a brilliant observation about the reasons women’s collectivism evolved.
The innate sisterhood, or herd, also arises from the reality that most human tribes were patrilocal and not matrilocal. That is, the core of the tribe was a group of males bonded by kin, and they brought in females from other tribes (trade/conquest) routinely for mating. Thus, the males had relatively high levels of cooperation due to being kin-bonded (not perfect levels of cooperation — rivalries always exist, violence happens in kin bonds as well — but much higher than among non-kin-bonded males), whereas the females had to adapt to cooperate with the other females despite the lack of kin bonds between them as a kind of counterweight to the innate solidarity that the kin-bonded males had vis-a-vis the females. The kind of female sisterhood/collectivism that we see in women evolved, in addition to what you write about, as well from the need to counteract the male solidarity in patrilocal tribes — women evolved to cooperate with other “strange” women in the face of this male solidarity which was based on kin bonds.
A key point of this — and something which explains much of the behavior of women *politically* in the last 200 years or so — is that the context in which this evolved was specifically to counterweigh male power. That is, because females would otherwise have remained weak and isolated in the face of a tribe of kin-bonded males, they evolved this sisterhood/collective mentality specifically to provide a counterweight to male power. This is important, because it’s this specific context in which this mentality comes to the fore most prominently in women, even today. Women can fight and scratch and claw with each other and be bitches with each other incessantly, but when one of them comes into conflict with a man or “with men”, the sisterhood/collective mindset kicks in in high gear, precisely because this is the specific context it emerged to counter. In other words, it’s specifically evolved to offset male power, to counterbalance male power, by forging solidarity between females who otherwise would not have any reason to act like a sisterhood (and who may even dislike each other).
Contemporary feminism is perhaps the most obvious form of this, but it isn’t the only one. The pronounced female in-group preference is another easy to spot one as well. But in any case, a key point to understand is that the sisterhood isn’t neutral — it’s evolved to counterbalance any kind of male power that threatens women’s interests as a group. This is the case even though women haven’t lived in patrilocal conditions for a long, long, long time, and even though contemporary men have no solidarity to speak of at all which could possibly threaten women’s interest as a group. That evolutionary history casts long shadows, and the tendency for women to see men as a cabal acting to control women — when in fact, as we all know, we’re kind of the exact opposite of that — arises from the collective evolutionary memory of adaptations to deal with the very real male solidarity females faced when they were imported into patrilocal male tribes of kin-bonded males.
@ kfg
Lol.
@ sentient Lol, yeah. It seems like a humble brag, ” I was so handsome people wouldn’t shut up about it “, but I think it’s very different for young boys as opposed to girls. To me it was the same as people always pointing out that you have a gigantic nose or large ears. I didn’t want to be called beautiful ever. It sounded suspiciously like ” fag “, and I reacted to it as such.and my homeboys would resort to calling me ” pretty boy ” when they were pissed at me for something. That sounded suspiciously like… Read more »
Got better as you got older though 😉
opener?
“I think you dropped this.” As I push the bathrobe off her shoulders.
Guys need to learn to enjoy the process of smashing ass. I have done some dumb shit like walk around with a blow up sheep under my arm while talking to women. Fucking with them is funny as hell. Go out and hit on lesbians just to watch them get bitchy. Go out just to be an asshole to very gash you meet. Spend a day telling them outragoues shit like you are late to pick up your Noble prize in ice cream production becuase your space shuttle ain’t out of the shop yet Fuck them cunts. It ain’t about… Read more »
@Blax Great story, thanks for sharing it. With the benefit of hindsight I should have done the same (or something along those lines) as you did after 13, but what I did instead was to concentrate full-time on studying and forget about changing my body. When you are a teenager you can pull that off because you still have a lot of years ahead of you, but when you hit early 20s and nothing happens then you start to worry. In my case I think however that I was sabotaging myself pretty heavily so as not to have chances to… Read more »
@ Oscar
Remember, you still have years ahead of you. It’s never, ever too late to decide what you want and to go after it full throttle. The choice is always yours
Well… If your on a ventilator it might be a little too late. But other than that, go for it.
@ Blax
Will do. I just like to vent a bit sometimes.
@ pinelero
You are not the only one who likes all the touching haha… many foreign girls are taken aback by our “dos besos” (two cheek kisses) as regular greeting for a female.
I think Spain has acceptable levels of social trust. There is corruption, but at the higher political level; you are not expected to bribe doctors or policemen (I would not recommend it either, and they are unlikely to risk a safe job for some extra cash in a country so heavily beset by unemployment).
@Sentient What if we changed the hypothetical? What if she came out and said “I could use a good fuck”? would that change things? Sure as hell would. She’d be speaking dog-o-nese. What would you open with? She already opened…maybe she’s DTF, maybe she’s just trying to blueball you…gotta qualify her. Option 1: I’d ask, “Can you make a tasty Bloody Mary?” as I lazered her with an amused grin. You’d be qualifying her. You have to establish dominance or it’s a no go from the get go per Gordon Gekko. Option 2: “So do I. Do you know any… Read more »
“Dunno. I have been reading Xplat’s blog recently and he writes at length about MGTOWs as people with “intimacy avoidance issues”, and I think this might apply to me. As a kid I was never fond of affection and did not like kissing people as we do here in Spain. There might be some of those issues around.
https://xsplat.wordpress.com/2012/11/06/mgtow-guys-have-intimacy-avoidance-issues/
https://xsplat.wordpress.com/2012/01/28/not-all-of-us-have-the-option-of-being-happy-alone/
and
https://xsplat.wordpress.com/2016/10/22/self-esteem-is-a-mental-map-of-how-we-are-viewed-by-others/”
^ That shit is trash
@Blax When I was a kid, I was woefully skinny. Ethiopian refugee skinny. I had the striking physique of a lollipop. I had normal or even a higher degree of muscularity, and I was exceptionally strong, but my body fat percentage had to be in the low single digits. I shed a tear for you. I was weaker and smaller than almost all my friends and was lousy at athletics when I was in elementary and middle school. Short and skinny. I wore glasses and was “academically gifted.” A recipe for exceptionally low status. Girls flirted with me in 6th… Read more »
Take some time to read Sex At Dawn….if you haven’t already.
“Guys need to learn to enjoy the process of smashing ass.”
Guys need to learn how to enjoy life. It can be a delightful party or a torture session…it’s all up to you.
ASD A fair point…but now the onus on you is to show others. Else you can be my bitch, since this is cunty. Well your well out of your depth here.. but for the (very few) that missed the others… coming out … i.e. Proximity and clothing… or lack thereof. Two. IOI’s… Brute force is one option. Smoothness is another. Probably get laid more with smoothness. Probably fewer FRAs and criminal lawsuits as well. Brute force??? On a a solid green light? “Probably” speaks volumes yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dleJLvXandY I love Mystery because he is fully rooted on evo bio/psych. “you can’t… Read more »
@Oscar “At the end of the day you are a fucking salesman. That’s what I hate god damnit. Having to sell myself. ” Believe me, you will get there where you wont hate it. My current plate lies through her teeth. I don’t rub it on her face that I am not that naive. I take from here what I want. It does not hurt me anymore. I manage her. Not looking towards settling down with her. Don’t look at life as if you want to cruise through an autobahn, whereas life is more like off-roading through a jungle. “Another… Read more »
Thus, the males had relatively high levels of cooperation due to being kin-bonded (not perfect levels of cooperation — rivalries always exist, violence happens in kin bonds as well — but much higher than among non-kin-bonded males), whereas the females had to adapt to cooperate with the other females despite the lack of kin bonds between them as a kind of counterweight to the innate solidarity that the kin-bonded males had vis-a-vis the females. The kind of female sisterhood/collectivism that we see in women evolved, in addition to what you write about, as well from the need to counteract the… Read more »
“Women have normally been reluctant to antagonize other women within their social group for whatever reason, because they depended on one another for childrearing and other tasks. In other words, if you’re a member of an all-female social group, other women will be looking for reasons not to kick you out. For men, of course, it’s the opposite, because their social groups exist for different purposes. A male group, whatever its purpose is, survives only if it ejects unfit members. If you’re in such a group, other men will be constantly looking for reasons to kick you out.” http://www.litrejections.com/tribal-rejection/ https://www.jwt.com/femaletribes/… Read more »
I don’t think women had any choice back then on who to mate with, it was mostly brute forced by men (Rape, which funny enough is the number one female “fantasy”), let’s be honest, female selection would never work in a real hunter-gatherer tribe society because the men would impede himself onto the women or a women. That doesn’t seem likely. Women have always been pretty good in the “let’s you and him fight” approach. It’s pretty much their main survival strategy. They usually had male relatives willing to protect them, and a hunter-gatherer community didn’t have the means to… Read more »
HH:
That makes sense and sounds reasonable.
But in practical reality, just observing the way women’s groups work as an insider, I have to wonder at the validity of that theory. Chick bands, for instance, never stay together. And there’s that saying, “never let a girl in the band”. Never noticed that woman are the least bit “reluctant to antagonize other women within their social group”.
“Excessive bonding with extended family is detrimental to a health of a nation state . . .” . . . whose primary purpose is the financial-industrial-military complex. Strongly bonded extended families weaken the position of the 1% of the 1% who run the rest as their labor, while themselves maintaining their power by maintaining strong extended family bonds. Does your family have a compound? The Rockefellers, Bushes, Kennedys, Rothschilds, et al certainly do. “And there’s that saying, “never let a girl in the band”.” Yeah, but the rest of us got Rumours out of the deal. There is always some… Read more »
@Sentient I think that you need to work on your calibration. Merely going outside in a robe doesn’t equal IOIs. Note to @anon…if you ever go outside in your robe to get the paper, be careful not to look at strange men. Solid green light? For an approach in a club, sure. For trespassing in a stranger’s house, fuck no! Risk/reward isn’t in your favor. Catering to a stranger’s rape fantasy puts you totally in her frame. She has all the cards. Too much other pussy to justify that risk. Maybe the risk in the scenario turns you on? Some… Read more »
In case anyone is in the region.
https://www.reddit.com/live/zkadef2ttzql
@ Hollen Good to see you commenting. @ kfg I concur with your take. Strong large extended family bonds are a wonderful hedge against becoming overly subservient to whatever powers that happen to be. In my family the bonds manifest in land ownership. Multiple marriages between the largest families in the place of my birth resulted in thousands of acres of land being shared/sold at crazy deep discount to all extended members. There’s a 3-4 mile stretch of country road that is 100% occupied solely by ” family “. The strategy to foster inter-family competition serves the master well. Rugged… Read more »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_dVGPQ58YE
Oscar: “some opener is needed”…
Max: “really?”
@kfg “There is always some sort of group and some sort of intra-group competition – and some sort of balance between the two. Look at it this way – women hate each other, but they love hating each other. Can’t hate other women if there are no other women around to hate. Oh, the drama!” Definitely. This is one of the things that I most appreciate the West for. Getting individuals to work towards the common goal while the individuals or the families themselves might have their preferences or selfish ends. But this was not by design and not codified… Read more »
“never let a girl in the band”
Or wives. If only the Beatles had known this…
I think that you need to work on your calibration. Merely going outside in a robe doesn’t equal IOIs
All the factors Sentient noted are clear, but the longer-than-usual look and door ajar are the clearest ones. I’m sure this sort of thing happens often-enough.
There was a scene like this in one of the 6 Feet Under episodes. Clear as a bell
” In my family the bonds manifest in land ownership. Multiple marriages between the largest families in the place of my birth resulted in thousands of acres of land being shared/sold at crazy deep discount to all extended members. There’s a 3-4 mile stretch of country road that is 100% occupied solely by ” family “.” Just to warn some of the readers about the nostalgia of interfamily bonding. It results in forced arranged marriages which are marital alliances. This is seen across almost all religions and cultures. Some girls but mostly boys and men within the family are forced… Read more »
Arranged marriages? Nah. Not my point.
“Arranged marriages? Nah. Not my point.”
I know, I raised the point for anyone having nostalgia about old times. Old times were shit too, just different kind of shit.
“The 1% are . . .” . . . for the most part, the skilled labor force of the 1% of the 1%. They live in a better gilded cage than the 99%, but it’s still a cage. Bill Gates had to make his money. TPTB are the source of money (I am here not distinguishing between money, currency and legal tender). “Not necessarily, all these came later.” I’m talking about the rough present. The environment we have to make our own way through. “Just that the means of their looting have gone stealthy.” As I have pointed out a… Read more »
“It results in forced arranged marriages which are marital alliances. This is seen across almost all religions and cultures.”
I have also pointed out that the aristocracy is, by virtue of arranged marriages, essentially its own race, it’s own nation. They do not belong to the nations they rule, the nations belong to them. They view us as livestock because we are not of them, we are the Other. From their perspective, foreigners in our own lands.
The English royal family refers to itself as The Firm without irony.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BYoDQsgFZD9/
I miss Robin
https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/6z1s7k/the_best_interview_in_the_history_of_television/?ref=share&ref_source=link
@Sentient
Oscar: “some opener is needed”…
Max: “really?”
Context. Some yokel was cutting down a tree in my front yard. I went out to question him with my Colt in my hand behind my back.
Mrs. Gamer might go out on the porch in a gown to do some shit and leave the door open on her return, bringing in some shit. She’s friendly and might talk to somebody who approaches and make lots of eye contact. She’s a guard dog. Try coming in my front door without an invitation. Make my day.
Stupid fuckers become statistics.
Comments in the manosphere about women of a certain age or type being delusional are redundant, since: All women are judgmental all the time All women are delusional all the time You can see this everywhere On this site, IB recently stated that Rollo was broken and wounded, which is judgmental and delusional Look at any woman’s dating profile: judgmental and delusional Dear Abby in newspapers: judgmental and delusional Women go shopping: judgmental and delusional Women post on social media: judgmental and delusional Women divorce: judgmental and delusional Eat, Pray, Love: judgmental and delusional My wife 10 minutes ago: Her:… Read more »
” From their perspective, foreigners in our own lands.” Hmmm, reminds of a very pertinent cutscene on Age of Empires 3 : Asian dynasties Lt Nanib is giving a battle speech to Indian rebels before the final showdown against the East Indian Company( a private british imperial enterprise later taken over by crown after the 1857 first war of Indian Independence broke the company’s back) fort in Shimla. “The company has treated this country as its property and its people as trespassers…” once the fort falls and Colonel Edwardson is killed. Pravar : Come Nanib, there are other to be… Read more »
Re Plausible Deniability Looking for feedback and ideas about a hottie’s motivation. I’m in a meetup group. A hottie in my social circle today asked me for my last name for facebook. Said she is creating a facebook event for a birthday party. Meetup is perfect for this. If she wanted to contact me privately, she could message me on meetup. So why facebook? Possibility 1: she wants to screen the guests and doesn’t want to invite some people in the meetup group. Most of the group is mid-20s to early-30s. Possibility 2: she wants to get intel on me… Read more »
A Band of Brothers rolls out:
http://hayride.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Cp65dXkVIAEF0bt-800×400.jpg
For no other reason than there was need, and they could:
“1. What is hottie’s motivation?”
Probably exactly what she said. She’s having a birthday party and organizing a group event. It’s easier to create and account and send the invite to the group via Facebook than contact everyone directly.
2. What’s my next move?
Wait for the invite, then go to the FB page and see who all is on the invite list.
Time to catch up “No, but I don’t expect you to be smart enough or “sentient” enough to understand anything too abstract. ” “Sentient” Abstract? So one guy you claim is a loser because he didn’t reproduce, but other guys who don’t arent? Well you win the abstract logic award. And the cranky pants award. Lol. Yep. Still not smart enough or “sentient” enough. But carry on with your endzone celebration of some other family’s dead son. ‘Whoo hoo! Your boy is dead and you’ll never see any grandchildren from him! High five! DPA!” That’s got to make his mother… Read more »
So, my two questions: 1. What is hottie’s motivation? 2. What’s my next move? https://youtu.be/t0hK1wyrrAU You know that Sentient is trying to get guys to get out of their “Ordinary Thinking” right? You know he is advocating for The Secret Society, right? From a distillation of Alan Watt’s “Joyous Cosmology”: http://reset.me/story/7-profound-lessons-from-the-books-of-alan-watts/ The “myself” which I am beginning to recognize, which I had forgotten but actually know better than anything else, goes far back beyond my childhood, beyond the time when adults confused me and tried to tell me that I was someone else; when, because they were bigger and stronger,… Read more »
Blaximus I don’t read what Sentient said quite the same way that you’re interpreting it Fair enough. I went back and reread, and we’ll just have to disagree. That tragedy was avoidable. The parents will never get their son back, and any records he may have set are kind of moot when compared to the loss of a lifetime’s worth of his company, his future wife, their future children…and if my remark about that 16 year old being a loser in the evolutionary sweepstakes seems harsh, bear in mind that subtly totally fails with “Sentient” and grandchildren are obviously a… Read more »
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@Anonymous Reader lecturing students only turns them off…
Yeah, so? Who’s in charge of that class, the girls or the instructor?
Chicks dancing with chicks is a statement on the bigger problem of men not leading.
It’s a shit test, just as I already stated.
SJB
Hey @Anonymous Reader, you are to be commended for your creative conjecture as well as your zealous it-might-be-heresy hunting. Every man has his hobbies.
Yours appears to be carping at Rollo for not writing the way you want him to, and slowly turning back to blue pill.
To release your obsession: Andrea Yates — don’t know her ergo don’t give a fuck.
So you don’t have a problem with women who murder their own children?
kfg
Any idiot can acquire book smarts.
Not even close to true. I can tell you have not been near a college campus this century.
There are people who are unteachable. No matter how hard they try, they can’t learn some things.
redlight
Game is using women’s judgmental and delusional nature to your advantage
Good enough.
@anon the dating coach Lol, didn’t expect you to answer…thanks for playing…your answer assumed that the girl was being straightforward, but you have always described women as scheming and deceitful in the past How much do you know about meetup? The girl goes out to the meetup during the day Sat. while her bf is working. Not mateguarding herself. The girl sent me a friend request from her personal acct., not from a new party acct. In the past, I mentioned that I attended a meetup with a date and the girl quickly asked who I attended it with. I… Read more »
@SJF
You know that Sentient is trying to get guys to get out of their “Ordinary Thinking” right
Of course he was playing some sort of game. I was pressing to get him to disclose more.
I’m in total agreement with Sentient about stepping out of your comfort zone and I do that all the time, of course. I’m not just a kj.
Tell Vishnu I said, “Hi.”
@AR: ” I can tell you have not been near a college campus this century.”
I have taught this century, although not STEM.
“There are people who are unteachable.”
Because all they can do is recite the book. What they can’t do is think. They can’t even describe the book in their own words. There have always been some like that, but now it’s most of them.
It’s weird.
“How much do you know about meet up?”
Nothing whatsoever.
But I know a great deal about Facebook groups and how gatherings are arranged using them.
The question is easily solved…
Answer the Friend request and see if you’re invited to a Group gathering.
If that Group gathering is only her, herself and she (hat optional) SCORE!
But I doubt it.
Not everything is a code to be solved. Most of life is actually pretty straightforward with the occasional intrigue.
AR
“That tragedy was avoidable. ”
So you’re the guy at the beach with the water wings. Gotcha.
“The party is for a couple of our friends in the meetup group. My first thought was to accept her friend request at my normal morning fb login…the party isn’t til next month, tho, so no hurry. And if she’s looking for intel, it might be better to delay. Otoh, I might get intel sooner. What’s your opinion, my darlin’ wingman?”
LOL Just read this (I answered before reading entirely)
I think you should accept the request…and see what happens. 🙂
Most of my family and a good number of friends are getting hit by Irma about now.
I’m a bit distracted.
This is so true:
@ASDGamer I’m in total agreement with Sentient about stepping out of your comfort zone and I do that all the time, of course. I’m not just a kj. Tell Vishnu I said, “Hi.” Vishnu says “Hi?” back. Stepping out of your comfort zone for the sake of stepping out of your comfort zone is a lesser goal than Knowing Who You Are and knowing where you want to go. –What your goal actually is. I have a microcosm in my wildlife habitat farm. Over ten years I stepped out of my comfort zone on a regular basis. In the first… Read more »
“Meetup is perfect for this. If she wanted to contact me privately, she could message me on meetup. So why facebook?”
Possibility 3. She is inviting more people on FB who aren’t on meetup.
“I’m so excited,” Clooney, 56, told PEOPLE on the red carpet about his children. When asked what was the most surprising thing about fatherhood, he said it was the complete lack of control. “[I was surprised] how much I thought I had in control and how little control I actually have,” he said. “I have none! I think everybody quickly realizes that.” Babies All The Way Down and Briffault’s Law strikes again. Keep your fucking Frame George! The FI and The Sisterhood will control you if you don’t control you. And as a by-product control them. Which is what they… Read more »
You mean the Female Social Matrix actually allows a woman to have tentacles that reach out? How the hell did that happen?
Go figure.
@AR: ” I can tell you have not been near a college campus this century.” I have taught this century, although not STEM. Small school, I assume. For sure not online. “There are people who are unteachable.” Because all they can do is recite the book. Question: What is “the book”? What they can’t do is think. They don’t get that far. It’s weird. Weirder than you realize. There are still face-to-face classes where real people with a large knowlege base discuss Chaucer or Milton with literate 20 year olds. Those are a shrinking minority. There are state uni’s that… Read more »
She doesn’t want to bang you
……..
There are women who don’t want to bang me? I call bullshit
@anon Meetup is set up for meetups for groups of people at a particular location for a particular time frame for a particular interest and lets people in the group sign up for an event. Perfect for public parties for people in the group. Easier than fb. If you want to screen out some people in your meetup group, you do facebook. It could be that the girl is a cats paw for someone else in the group. Norma did that, lol, when we first knew each other. But I haven’t observed the girl being more than usually friendly with… Read more »
@Ton
There’s a fb group “Trannies that wanna bang Sergeant Ton”.
AR “That tragedy was avoidable. ” “Sentient” So you’re the guy at the beach with the water wings. Gotcha. Whoosh. Right over your head. But that reminds me, ironic you’d post a pic of men in Houston helping people…post that pic from your nice, safe distance, of course. Not from anywhere there’s actual danger. Couple of friends of mine drove down there over 10 days ago. Left their wives and preschool kids behind to go help. Now I know what’s in your head – you want addresses, so you can try to fuck the wives while the men are away… Read more »
@Sentient
Thanks for playing.
Possibility 3. She is inviting more people on FB who aren’t on meetup.
Yeah, and this concerns me a tad. She might invite one of my former friends who I think is a psychopath. But this is a birthday party for our two friends on meetup…of course, there’s no law that she has to invite only meetup people…I think her bf is on meetup, too, so I don’t think that he’s the main reason for fb…I’ve only seen him come to one meetup…intel needed…accept friends request
I think I laughed. Now that’s my autism making an appearance. My default assumption was that she doesn’t want to bang me. It’s always a surprise to me when I sense that a girl has serious attraction for me. The girl seems unusually socially adept, yet very reserved. Doesn’t offer hugs even to other girls. She did kino me just a bit and I’ve never seen her kino anyone else. This girl is very, very socially adept. She has a plan. It is your job to find out what that is. She’s, like not going to lay her cards out… Read more »
@SJF
It’s not every day that I get invited to parties of 20s and 30s. And my main mission is to figure out people and power. Secondary is to write my dance book. And they synergize nicely. Mrs. Gamer is along for the ride and enjoying every minute of it.
@ASD “It’s not every day that I get invited to parties of 20s and 30s. But you did get invited and you get to choose what lies in front of you with that. With outward intention and Action. Go for it. And there is no need to overthink it. “And my main mission is to figure out people and power.” Would you believe me if I said: “You’ve already done that.” And you should stop thinking so much? https://rianstonept.blogspot.ca/2017/01/action-reflects-thoughts-do-more-and.html Hey Catonese language and the language of Female subcommunication. It’s harder to learn when your mind is set in stone. Despite… Read more »
I thought this was interesting http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40894089
Yes oliver, another confirmation of how harsh reality is. I also recall an article saying that a quarter of Norwegian men never father children:
http://sciencenordic.com/quarter-norwegian-men-never-father-children
I have never wanted a family of my own so this is not so terrible for me, but I feel for those dudes out there who always expected such a thing and are nowhere close to it.
AR That great reading comprehension and attention again on display…. Houston was kfg… lol… But don’t let that stop your butt sniffing… Seems to me though, YOU were crowing about Alex Honnald’s free climb a few posts ago… Nothing puckering your ass about that… Had he slipped he could have joined Parker in a “totally avoidable” situation… and hey you could have labelled him a loser as well! But I get it… I afforded you too much respect. When you dodged my question about your nutz being drained… I didn’t know you couldn’t find them. No worries brah… You pick… Read more »
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“Yeah, and this concerns me a tad. She might invite one of my former friends who I think is a psychopath.”
And you’ll know when you see the FB group.
Lot’s of thinking out loud going on…
So the magic question is….now that you’re “friended” what does the guest list look like?
AR
Avert your eyes…
from little acorns grow mighty oaks…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGXESN7pBAk
“scary beautiful”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sudQrR6bk2E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dtdEeJLs5A
“everyday was an incredible challenge”
Maybe there is a connection???
Hmmmm… @ Oscar or anybody, why is it that ” truth ” and ” realty ” described as being ” harsh ” so often?
I don’t get that.
Blax
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Eddie would go, but Eddie wouldn’t tow
ton
hahha… that was pre jet ski era…
Hmmmm… @ Oscar or anybody, why is it that ” truth ” and ” realty ” described as being ” harsh ” so often? I don’t get that. @Blax “Harsh” is a feeling one ascribes to his truth and reality when he thinks something is not “Fair”. But he is also choosing how to view reality. Reality is still there whether you have feelings about it or not. https://medium.com/the-mission/24-things-all-extremely-self-aware-people-know-and-do-ff32c27ef2f3 You have a choice in how you feel. Life and reality are often simple, and it might be true that successful masculine operating is not often easy. It’s your job to… Read more »
LOL I have no room to talk. I was an absolute failure as a surfer but I got to meet some of the bigger names in the buiness through a girl friend and a guy I meet at the gym who was Hawaiian famous as in almost no one outside of Hawaii ever heard of him. Very interesting set of guys and I was extremely impressed with? the legend of Eddie and those guys. Brass balls, zest for life….. a lot there for certian kind of men to aspire to Can’t rightly recall what started the surfing topic but Eddie… Read more »
Ps
Saw the quicksilver Eddie…. don’t know how to spell his last name big wave invitational one year
Fucking amazing feat of masculine mastery. Just fucking amazing
@anon
Haven’t been invited to the birthday party group yet. I think she said that she still needs to create it…her photos show lots of pics with her bf. Her current city location is bullshit. Gotta wait for more intel.
Ton “Brass balls, zest for life….. a lot there for certian kind of men to aspire to” Yes surf culture is still masculine and there are still masculine hierarchies for guys to work through… and a spirit of adventure. Whether it’s young guys like Zander coming up – the groms – and being brought along by older guys… or it’s you going to a new line up and dealing with locals… Learning the customs, respect and proving you have what it takes live and in person… then going to grab drinks and chicks later… as an after thought.. and you… Read more »
To be honest, I typed “harsh” without giving it much of a thought. Consider it a pithier rendition of “it sucks to be poor”. SJF, I think that you are right, but are you telling me we can not have emotional reactions? Like read some news, and think that they are harsh news? Sure, don’t beat yourself with that, don’t bitch & moan, don’t let emotions control you, move foward, etc. But at the end of the day you will have an opinion because you are not a robot. We can go back again to the decision to have children… Read more »
“Are you gay?” Shit Test My son came to me and the wife quite upset. His girlfriend, he has been seeing her for probably close to a year, I have described her in previous comments as being -2 SMV, asked him if he was gay or some percentage gay. She shares an apartment with a gay guy who sez… Anyway, he responded, “No!” via text. She replied back with some response like, “Are you sure?” He didn’t respond. She came back with, “Maybe we should go on a break while you figure things out.” He asked for our advice. I… Read more »
@If-I-Fell
I actually want to do a long write up on this -_- but this is the only post i’ve read today and theres a dayclub that gonna close in 2 hours and ass is more important to me right now so I might do it later.
But you’re really stupid.
Her text: “Are you gay?”
Answer: “Bend over and we’ll share this journey of discovery together.”
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiahAlJUcfQ&w=854&h=480%5D
Chick bands, for instance, never stay together.
That makes sense. From an evolutionary point of view, chick bands are dysfunctional. The members aren’t raising their own mating value by staying in the band, it doesn’t help them to find high-quality mates, and it actually impedes their biological imperative i.e. motherhood.
Her text “are you gay?”
My reaction. Block her number go bang 10 more.
Any deliberate disrespect is a hard next. No warning, no hissy fit, no discussion etc just a “grab your shit bitch and get.”
LOL had some locals in Hawaii get pissed I was on their waves.
Fair certian that didn’t play out like they envisioned though they did learn some respect. Eventually
If-I-Fell How have other men or fathers dealt with this “sucker punch to the heterosexual-male ego” shit test? What other advice should I have given or give in the future? You deal with shit tests by passing them. Teach the boy some game… In the instant case… this is gold if you know some game… Love the gay shit test… Him: Gay? Listen just because you suck some cock doesn’t mean your gay… right? Her: [either yes it does or ignores and you plow] Him: Like… look at you… you suck cock… right? Her: OMG! Him: You ain’t gay… [with… Read more »
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@SJF
I had a new experience…my young buddy was asking me when I was gonna be back to the bar…girls do that all the time, but this was a first with a man…I really impacted on him…gave him value…forwards, into the breach, dear friends
I had sooo much energy from last night left over this morning…I must have been dripping testosterone at the bar
Dripping?
Rollo, I’ve observed a great deal of hostility towards “fat, bald, middle-aged men” in general. Also, I’ve also noticed that characters in horror stories are always unkept, ugly and uneducated men. Do you have an opinion on this?
@Dr Zipper Pay attention here. Here is some online blog mano a mano going on between ASDGamer and Blax. ASDGamer is trying to qualify to the group. Blax is trying to AMOG him. No offense to the principles involved. While ASDGAmer may have his style. And Blax may have his Natural style going on, they are still in a meritocracy among men in an Honor system of a male space. We all know what is going on here. @ASDGamer. I respect your position and I am quite perplexed that you mentioned that this a first for you. I would think… Read more »
@SJF Pay attention here. Here is some online blog mano a mano going on between ASDGamer and Blax. ASDGamer is trying to qualify to the group. Nah, I was simply trying to communicate my feelz. Being spergily obsessive about my mission. I just enjoy writing about my experiences related to my mission. Weird that you think I’m trying to qualify. I’ve always considered myself more of a loner or rogue. Have never bothered to try to qualify to a group. Maybe it was a DHV, Idk. Blax is trying to AMOG him. Blax was just making a joke. And it… Read more »
Approached two girls today…
At what point does the brotherhood of the red pill accept the observable truth of the world?
I failed at getting into contact with one girl because my wingman interrupted my game in approaching her.