To Each His Own

In a couple of weeks I’ll be making my first and only personal appearance this year at the 21 Convention in Orlando, Florida. This event will be unique in a number of ways. To my knowledge, this convention will be the first large-scale gathering of Red Pill writers, bloggers, podcast hosts and thought-leaders ever organized. I’m truly appreciative of Anthony Johnson in being open to my suggestions for speakers. It was a collaborative effort in this regard and over the course of this year we did our best to collect a group of speakers who would represent many different aspects of Red Pill intersexual dynamics. My only regrets are that we couldn’t fit more speakers in to the schedule and some men I highly respect were unable to attend this year.

It was my hope that this ‘new and improved’ 21 Convention might eventually be an annual Red Pill summit of sorts. This build up hasn’t been without a bit of controversy from the previous Purple Pill speakers who used the 21 Convention’s prior events as a platform for their blogs and coaching businesses. That was to be expected just as the same tired criticisms of the Red Pill were too. I have no doubt that the previous ‘life coaches’ taking issue with this event’s Red Pill turn sincerely believe they have some valuable insights to help men become ‘better men’. The problem, however, becomes one of how these coaches would direct men according to the Blue Pill preconditioning they have never been able to disabuse themselves of.

I understand the necessity these guys must feel with regards to discrediting the Red Pill as a praxeology. The dots we connect in Red Pill awareness are often at odds with their deeply held Blue Pill ego-investments and hopes, as well as a threat to their (often LARPy moralistic) “Man Up but not too much” profit model. In fact, even just the idea that the Red Pill should be a praxeology of men’s collective experiences about intersexual dynamics is enough to make them want to disqualify it. Their criticism is that, as a praxeology, the Red Pill is long on explanations and short on solutions – solutions you can presumably get by signing up for their email blasts and coaching sessions.

The praxeology that is the Red Pill is inconvenient for them because it tears away the veneer of their Blue Pill idealism about women and reveals some very unflattering truths about them and the feminine on-whole which they still largely have on a pedestal in their heads. Red Pill awareness has a way of exposing the pretty lies that make for the good marketing material that most Purple Pill coaches depend on for their livelihoods. I mean, when 80%+ of men are Beta, who wouldn’t want to buy the secret 12 point list of things a man must do to be a real man and get the woman of his dreams?

Two Complaints

There are generally two common complaints I read coming from Purple Pill life dating coaches. The first is easy, and one I’ve refuted so many times I wont bore you with repeating myself, and that’s the presumption that Red Pill awareness must be false or detrimental to a guy because it makes guys so angry with women. This is the easiest dismissal for critics because it is true; men do go through a phase of anger when they unplug from the Blue Pill illusions they’ve been so convinced of for the better part of a lifetime. And yes, some get stuck in this phase and some do become despondent because they don’t want to face the abyss it represents to them. Some go MGTOW, some turn into Purple Pill coaches themselves because they don’t want to accept the whole of what Red Pill awareness means. But most men go through this phase and come to an acceptance that there is hope in a Red Pill paradigm for them. They come to see their new awareness as a safety net and boldly embrace rebuilding themselves into better men based on this full awareness.

So the sales pitch then becomes, “Don’t be angry with women like those Red Pill guys. You can still live in Blue Pill happiness and harmony with a loving unicornQuality‘ woman by following these 5 simple steps to make yourself into the man women want you to be.”

What the Purple Pill anger critics (deliberately) refuse to get is that the Red Pill isn’t (and was never) intended to get men to hate women, but rather to inform men about the inherent nature of women so they wont hate women for what they can never be to them. This is the disillusionment that men who still cling to Blue Pill idealism can’t seem to get past – they cannot abandon those Blue Pill hopes that they believe women are capable of fulfilling for him, but the Red Pill disabuses him of. So they get angry. They get angry at themselves for ever having believed in them. They get angry for having wasted so much time investing themselves in them. They get angry, most importantly, because they realize that women simply aren’t built to fulfill the hopes his Blue Pill conditioning made him believe should be possible.

The Purple Pill coach believes that this Red Pill realization leads to men hating women. The second complaint I read from them is that Red Pill awareness gives men some license to feeling like victims. This criticism is deductive to coaches for two reasons; it serves his ‘get-rich-quick-on-the-internet-by-selling-sunshine’ man-up and do better to qualify for women blog template, and it discourages men seeking answers from becoming Red Pill aware in a way that crushes their still Blue Pill belief set.

For the record, and as boldly as I can put this, if you are Red Pill aware man and still believe you are a victim of some sort because of your previous Blue Pill indenturement to pedestalizing women or the Feminine Imperative, you are only a victim of your own lack of vision. Red Pill awareness has set you free – free from the blur and distraction that a feminine-primary social order would pull over your eyes, free from the delusional Blue Pill hopes that are only greater shackles for a man, and free from never seeing the intersexual pitfalls you were prone to fall into before. But Red Pill awareness comes at a cost; the truth may set you free, but it doesn’t make it pretty. If you have a responsibility as a Red Pill aware man it’s that you are never allowed to play the victim. You now know the rules of engagement. Play it well, change the rules if you can, but you are no longer allowed to say you didn’t know the score.

Most Purple Pill coaches know this victim complex is bullshit, so they deliberately conflate Red Pill awareness with MGTOW or the MRM or even the “flip side of feminism” in an effort to muddy the waters and dissuade men, who are genuinely hurting and seeking answers, away from the real life-changing influence that the Red Pill represents.

When I petitioned my readers to leave a testimonial as to why they thought the Red Pill represented more confidence or a ‘safety net’ to them I got much more than I anticipated from that comment thread. I had been looking for some good quotes to add to the back cover of Positive Masculinity, but what I got was over a thousand revelations about the power that Red Pill awareness has in changing men’s lives for the better. These are men who took what the Red Pill had shown them and transformed their lives with that knowledge. They did this because Red Pill awareness empowered them, gave them the tools, to implement changes in themselves and how they interacted with women and a feminized world. They did so without anger or feeling like victims, and they did so without a Purple Pill hack trying to coax them back onto the plantation and into their failed, and false, Blue Pill belief sets.

And this is what scares the coaches; that a free and open source Red Pill praxeology is responsible for more men taking the initiative and bettering themselves than anything their ‘coaching’ has been responsible for.

Personal Development

I am not now, nor have I ever been a motivational speaker, a ‘guru’ of any stripe, a psychotherapist or a personal development coach. Though I’m humbled to be counted among the Godfathers of the Red Pill, I have never claimed ownership of the Red Pill. It’s always been my belief that the Red Pill – the true Red Pill that has always been about intersexual dynamics – should be an ‘open source’ community. Decentralization is one of its strengths, but it also allows for bastardization from men and women who want to define it.

In each of my books and on this blog I’ve made things plain about my non-approach to men and their own personal development; I’m not interested in making better men, I’m interested in men making themselves better men. I am not interest in making men “Tomassi Men” or in anyway selling them on a template for what I think a real man ought to be. My life and my interpretations of it are not going to be a template for anyone else to follow. Red Pill awareness, based on the praxeology of intersexual dynamics in the personal and social realms, will save and/or improve your life, but that life has to be lived by you as an individual.

That said, of course I realize that men seeking answers will want a codified system of guidelines for their own personal development. I’m not the guy who’s going to give that to you, neither is that Purple Blue Pill life coach with the 12 point plan, neither is the motivational speaker selling you the same tired power of positivity message that’s been around since the 1930s. You are going to come up with that plan, you are going to take what the Red Pill makes you aware of and you are going to apply it to how you live your life. And you will have the satisfaction of knowing that your personal development and the successes (and failures) that came from it authentically came from your own plan and according to your judgement, not someone else’s vision or template.

I wanted to take a moment in this post to preface the 21 Convention by addressing the ways in which men come to unplug themselves from their old, Blue Pill conditioned way of life and reconstruct themselves. Reader Blaximus added this in a recent comment thread and it sums things up well:

Fourth: there is no ‘ system ‘ for teaching or learning Game. None. The process is highly individualized and virtually no two guys will learn at the same rate, or achieve the exact same level of understanding or real world application. No cheat sheets in game. You either get it and apply it and internalize it, or you don’t. It’s not about picking up chicks in clubs. That’s PUA. Game picks up chicks at a funeral. Lol. True game will be disliked by the masses.

Far too many Purple Pill dating coaches don’t want to get this in their heads. They think that because the Red Pill is a praxeology it implies it’s a cop out on developing real solutions for guys. They either don’t understand the necessity for men’s individual needs to personally develop Game for themselves, or they need a convenient dismissal of the Red Pill as ‘those angry guys have no answers’.

I have stressed in more essays than I care to recount the importance of combining what the Red Pill informs Game about with what Game informs the Red Pill about. One is the theoretical, the other is the practical, and neither is complete without the other. Yes, it is entirely vital that you, as a Red Pill aware man, get out into the field to employ the ideas, and test the practicality of how the Red Pill relates to your situation in your environment according to your strengths and gifts. That field may be a night club, or day Game on the street, in a social circle, with your wife of 10 years or in your churches singles’ group. The fact remains, Red Pill awareness is applicable through Game in a variety of environments, social and cultural contexts.

Game Works, but it only works if you turn off the computer and do something. How do you learn from a book? You put it down and you go outside (and yes, that counts for my books too). Investing oneself in Red Pill awareness as a praxeology is not a cop out for coming up with real solutions – it gives men a toolset from which they can create their own solutions. What frightens Purple Pill coaches is that men’s individual solutions, often enough, don’t affirm their Blue Pill romanticizations, their pretenses of morality, or their idealistic inability to look at the abyss and find hope on the other side of it. They want solutions, but they want their solutions to be affirmed by a Red Pill awareness that contradicts their ego-investments.

When your revenue depends on not getting it it’s hard to convince a Blue Pill man otherwise.


I will be discussing aspects of this essay at the 21 Convention in just two weeks. If you are attending I’d like to take this opportunity to extend you a personal invitation to talk with me at the convention and possibly have dinner with my colleagues and I at the event. On the topic of just getting out there in the field and doing it, I know that my friends Christian McQueen and Goldmund will be heading out into the wilds of the Orlando nightlife and I will be accompanying them on at least one of these outings.

Lastly, if you are in the Central Florida area, or if you want to make the drive in for the weekend, and you really really want to attend the convention, but just can’t come up with the funds, hit me up via email, Twitter or leave a message on my About page here and I will personally see about getting you some kind of hardship discount. Remember, this is only if you’re truly desperate to attend.

See you in two weeks.

489 comments

  1. Ah too bad this lands in the middle of my time vacationing in NW Arkansas for two weeks. Hopefully it won’t conflict with Bikes Blues and BBQ next year.

  2. You’re not red pilled if you think MGTOW is about being victim. it’s about telling their experience and that they are not alone. It’s about not giving a shit about women. Chasing pussy isn’t something worth doing like you PUA retards do. We find MRAs annoying because they can’t solve anything of the things they complain about.
    Everything today came about due to MGTOW.

  3. “If you have a responsibility as a Red Pill aware man it’s that you are never allowed to play the victim. You now know the rules of engagement. Play it well, change the rules if you can, but you are no longer allowed to say you didn’t know the score.”

    “What the Purple Pill anger critics (deliberately) refuse to get is that the Red Pill isn’t (and was never) intended to get men to hate women, but rather to inform men about the inherent nature of women so they wont hate women for what they can never be to them.”

    “I” love women.
    https://mises.org/library/we

  4. What the Purple Pill anger critics (deliberately) refuse to get is that the Red Pill isn’t (and was never) intended to get men to hate women, but rather to inform men about the inherent nature of women so they wont hate women
    ……….

    What does it say about the inherit nature of women if knowing their true motivations leads men to hating them?

    I don’t want to get overtly political but the big fear of all red pill truth, on all topics imaginable is the truth will lead men to hate whatever group or practices they learn the truth about. Which kills honest debate and any practical non violent solutions

  5. “I don’t want to get overtly political but the big fear of all red pill truth, on all topics imaginable is the truth will lead men to hate whatever group or practices they learn the truth about. Which kills honest debate and any practical non violent solutions”
    Learning the truth about a practice can free you from expectation.
    I don’t think it has to kill any debate at tall. Being non violent about the solutions can come from a forum such as this to help spread ideal’s from men who have lived and applied their wisdom with culture or opposing culture.
    That’s certainly something to think about.

  6. theasdgamer
    “because their balls aren’t mature enough to accept the fact that men have a burden of performance.

  7. I guess purple pill is like the tasty poison one must recognize for what it is and not mix it with edibles.

    I think once one understands red pill to a certain extent, one cannot hate women. You just accept that women must be who they are, that it is nature’s prescription for them. Being a woman is an event. She is born. Love them or hate them, doesn’t matter. They cant change their nature to suit your preferences just because you love them, neither will they change it just if you hate them. Do your best, do your worst, a woman will be a woman will be a woman.

    Being a man on the other hand is a process. And I guess we too must be faithful to that process. We must. Whether we are hated or loved for it.

  8. @cheupez

    I think once one understands red pill to a certain extent, one cannot hate women.

    Conversely, men who are stuck in the anger phase are still stuck in the Matrix. They adhere to egalitarianism and believe that women are acting unfairly. Purple pill, at best.

  9. The biggest gripe blue pill and purple have with red is the red guys get all the chicks,even more than they can handle and the blue pill guy can see how he is and telling her drives her to the red ,go figure.
    It sucks playing by the fake set of rules the fi puts in place and losing,man these guys get so jealous and that screws them even worse. She wants the guy he is mad at for some reason.

  10. In my humble opinion, the scariest and thereby the most frightening piece of RP, is the ultimate challenge of personal ownership for one’s condition when faced with irrefutable truths. Not only the truths about women but the truth about one’s self. Game gets you cheat codes, women are predictable, lifting is a life changer and in some cases, a life saver. These “things” all boil down to the question of; “What are you going to do about it?” A man can choose to embrace PUA and get laid every night, A married guy can employ dread and get more sex and a change in behavior. A morbidly obese, 18 year old gamer, can get down to 15% body fat. All tools for life that make things a little easier and a little more controllable but eventually, a guy has got to stare into the abyss and acknowledge that it’s solely up to him. The responsibility is overwhelming because you simply can’t blame anyone but yourself.

    Personally, I would rather know these things and feel empty than ever go back to that place where the expectations and rules were defined by somebody else. It’s just easier because it allows me to control my environment better. I wish I believed in an afterlife. I wish I believed in the inherent goodness in all people but all I see is biology now. It’s kind’ve depressing but mostly it’s exhilarating.

    Most guys just want the cheat codes. They don’t really care about anything else and that’s okay. A few want to drill down for self-awareness. Both are right. Ultimately, RP is about awareness and how you adapt to the environment you find yourself in. Good luck at the convention. I have a trip to a beer festival I have to plan.

  11. “Game Works, but it only works if you turn off the computer and do something. How do you learn from a book? You put it down and you go outside (and yes, that counts for my books too). Investing oneself in Red Pill awareness as a praxeology is not a cop out for coming up with real solutions – it gives men a toolset from which they can create their own solutions.”

    Sentient has been recently referring to not just adhering to formulas in PUA in Field Reports, but understanding the process.

    Understanding the process is part of The Safety Net of being able to lean out to your edge (and make new neuroplastic connections in your brain) without falling off the cliff. Because the Process works. The very definition of praxeologic study. Non-ideological doing what has been demonstrated.

    We all do it differently, but we all should reach out to our edges to learn (Naturals did that. It is just that they did it earlier in life). And learn.

    I was discussing this with one of my buddies tonight and asked him what he did passively as far as listening to stuff in his truck on the way to to and from his farm on the 1:20 min trip each way, each week. He either had the radio on silent or listened to stuff haphazardly, while his mind was engaged on thinking on process…. What was going to get done next, and then after and then finally. “Mindfulness” sometimes gets new-agey explanations, but for me it is closing the book and reflecting on where I’m going to push and reach to my edges of abilities.

    I listen to Dr. Laura or a podcast or straight up good music on my 40 minute drives. But I use that a springboard for coming up with real solutions, often in a connecting the dots way to get to those solutions. A touchstone to get out there and push and reach as a male. Stimulating ideas to act on. Not just passively trying to not use energy and trying to be passive to conserve energy. The mind is always churning and pushing to get to the next good battle, push through resistance and get freedom from constraint. It is the masculine archetype of moving forward and getting things done. While also knowing the process of how to get things done.

    From Daniel Coyle’s Little Book of Talent, 52 tips:

    TIP #33

    TO LEARN FROM A BOOK, CLOSE THE BOOK

    Let’s pretend that one week from now you will take a test on the next ten pages of this book. You have thirty minutes to study. Which practice method would help you get a better grade?

    A) Reading those ten pages four times in a row, and trying to memorize them.

    B) Reading those ten pages once, then closing the book and writing a one-page summary.

    It’s not even close. Research shows that people who follow strategy B remember 50 percent more material over the long term than people who follow strategy A. This is because of one of deep practice’s most fundamental rules: Learning is reaching. Passively reading a book—a relatively effortless process, letting the words wash over you like a warm bath—doesn’t put you in the sweet spot. Less reaching equals less learning.

    On the other hand, closing the book and writing a summary forces you to figure out the key points (one set of reaches), process and organize those ideas so they make sense (more reaches), and write them on the page (still more reaches, along with repetition). The equation is always the same: More reaching equals more learning.

    Learning: It’s not about being in your easy Comfort Zone or on the other side your merely Survival Zone. It’s getting into your Sweet Spot.

    Explained here:

    https://therationalmale.com/2016/07/01/blue-pill-frame/comment-page-4/#comment-162312

  12. Actually I think there is some truth in saying there are many men who see themselves as victims, a few mgtows among them. Not surprising if you look at the list of things a woman would say they hate about men and it turns out looking like the specs page of a typical jerk manual, the same jerk she fucks so enthusiastically. And then look at things she would say she loves in a man; nice guy’s specs page. Then she screws the nice guy over!

  13. Personally I have never really understood the anger phase. So you finally get to a point where you’re beginning to understand the red pill, and you now have the possibility of your life as a blank slate to start again and begin learning the right way, and you want to impose the self inflicted barrier of anger to impede your own progress at this point?

    But as adsgamer correctly points out, this is most often the case plain immaturity.

    As someone who worked for a brief time in the self help industry back in the early 90s, the purple pill life coaches sound painfully familiar. With the self help “gurus” the whole point to the game was that your audience had to not get the point but believe that they had got the point. That way you kept them coming back for more.

  14. Well said Rollo. Couldn’t agree more. What you’ve not mentioned though is the amount of manosphere writers who are permanently stuck in the “anger” phase of unplugging. Heartiste is a great example: fantastically brilliant insight into Red Pill truths but simultaneously disgusted by them. Krauser too. Moralistic, puritanical and judgemental to the core. And for a Purple Pill example there’s no better candidate than Roosh (who I can’t believe is one of the “Three R’s”). He swallowed the Red Pill many years ago and then coughed it up in a bitter splurge of rage, conservatism and preaching. It’s these angry personalities that give the Red Pill a bad name.

  15. cheupez
    “Being a man on the other hand is a process. And I guess we too must be faithful to that process. We must. Whether we are hated or loved for it.”

    Olongapo
    “Personally, I would rather know these things and feel empty than ever go back to that place where the expectations and rules were defined by somebody else. It’s just easier because it allows me to control my environment better. I wish I believed in an afterlife. I wish I believed in the inherent goodness in all people but all I see is biology now. It’s kind’ve depressing but mostly it’s exhilarating.”

    theasdgamer
    Getting people to love for who you want them to be. Not for who they are.

  16. There are several reasons for anger at women:

    1) men have experienced divorce rape & loss of access to beloved kids

    2) envy because of young women riding the cock carousel with alphas

    3) men’s low status relative to women under matriarchy

    4) because men have been lied to and men have swallowed the Blue Pill

    It’s a hard Red Pill fact that the burden of performance is on men…it’s much easier to believe the Blue Pill fantasy that men and women are the same and women will love you idealistically and women don’t love you idealistically because they are whores.

    It’s a hard Red Pill fact that men cannot marry a woman and cease wooing her and let yourself be betatized and expect her to love you.

    It’s a hard Red Pill fact that men have pushed the FI plan to demolish the status of men…men are to blame as much as women. Men demolished Patriarchy.

    It’s a hard Red Pill fact that men cannot do much about the general low status of men.

    The Red Pill has good news…you can change and raise your own status and restore your woman’s love and improve your life. Although we may get emotional justification from it, staying angry and holding onto anger only hinders us from improving our lives.

  17. Personal question for you Rollo (you don’t have to answer of course!). .. do you ever feel annoyed that with all the knowledge you have on Red Pill you can’t implement it fully by being infield and gaming.

    Like all of us, sometimes you react to feminists and seem to lose the shit test too. Do you have any anger left about Red Pill truths?

  18. @Adam,

    Law 27
    Play on People’s Need to Believe to Create a Cultlike Following

    People have an overwhelming desire to believe in something. Become the focal point of such desire by offering them a cause, a new faith to follow. Keep your words vague but full of promise; emphasize enthusiasm over rationality and clear thinking. Give your new disciples rituals to perform, ask them to make sacrifices on your behalf. In the absence of organized religion and grand causes, your new belief system will bring you untold power.

  19. @Rollo: Maybe I’m paranoid, I’m still kind of concerned about this event being infiltrated.
    But I guess if we just live in “terror” and not do things like this event out of fear, we let the “terrorists” (the FI) win.

    [I gotta do what I gotta do]

  20. @Sunji, as a new reader you’re probably not familiar with what I do for a living. I’m as “infield” as a married man can get and still remain faithful. I’ve been a fixture in the liquor, branding and promo industries for almost 20 years now, so I’m in a very unique position for a Red Pill ‘old married guy’. Rarely a week goes by that I’m not working with beautiful women (and guys too I should add), type A driven brand owners, and commercial agencies. I’m in the field much more than most people realize.

    You are correct that I don’t directly Game to get laid, however, I regularly use my understanding of RP intersexual dynamics and Game savvy to work with the men and women I do. So, no, it’s not frustrating. Limiting to a degree, but not frustrating. My distribution reps (mostly guys) love it when I work a gig with them because I give them infield RP knowledge when I’m there. I wing for some of them occasionally.

    My line of work offers me endless opportunities to people watch in ‘Game’ setting and see how RP dynamics play out with predictable regularity. I’m like a RP Diane Fossey in Gorillas in the Mist.

    I should also say that I use RP dynamics in my marriage and my relationships with all the women in my personal life.

    I’m well beyond the anger phase, but if I ever went through it, it was when my brother in law committed suicide primarily due to my wife’s super-religious sister hooking up with a multi-millionaire. There’s a lot to that story, but when I saw the ease with which female family and friends just let all of her duplicity and outright deception just slide, yeah, I was very angry and it was all because of what I knew about RP truths.

    Now, I just see RP truths as objective truths.

  21. Adam,
    I think the anger builds up from the deep disappointment men feel when they begin to accept the Red Pill truth.
    The idea that they will never find a woman that embodies the idealized image they have in their head is a pretty big let down. It’s like a child finding out that Santa isn’t real. Sometimes the result is an angry outburst.
    Another source of anger is ego driven. The, “I can’t believe I was so stupid.” feeling. Some men give that an external focus and go with “I can’t believe I was lied to.”
    Both are true, but at the end of the day, we bought into it. We were gullible, and that’s a big ego hit. It’s a lot easier to continue being angry with the “Liars” than it is to continue being angry with our-self and I think that’s where some men stay. They never internalize the anger and convert it to productive improvement. They stay angry with the world that led them astray.

    Personally, I moved past the anger very quickly.
    I actually had more trouble when I discovered that the New Relationship Energy that is normally felt when you meet a new woman had changed. It’s forever dampened by Red Pill knowledge.
    It was very tempting to adopt a Purple Pill mindset to regain the intensity that comes with a new relationship.

  22. a rational approach didn’t work so let’s try IB talk

    In “Convnetion in Orlando, Florida”, the first word is broken and wounded

  23. These are men who took what the Red Pill had shown them and transformed their lives with that knowledge. They did this because Red Pill awareness empowered them, gave them the tools, to implement changes in themselves and how they interacted with women and a feminized world. They did so without anger or feeling like victims

    Oh, I was pretty pissed off and felt pretty down, like a victim. Felt that way for a very, very long time. I still seethe when I think about some of this stuff. And a lot of other guys do too.

  24. I actually had more trouble when I discovered that the New Relationship Energy that is normally felt when you meet a new woman had changed. It’s forever dampened by Red Pill knowledge.

    Yeah, that happens because it’s all been de-mystified. You’re seeing it as it really is, rather than through the lens of an emotional maelstrom driven by brain chemicals that is both temporary and obscuring of the reality of what is actually taking place (and normally stronger on the male side as well, for the obvious reason that it’s designed to snooker you). You now see more clearly, which means that the thing has been de-mystified and is being seen more soberly. It can still be a very good, excellent even, experience, but it isn’t the chemically-induced roller coaster based on a false view of reality — that’s a good thing. Different, but good.

  25. For me it is anger at myself mostly. I was a late bloomer and once I discovered Heartiste a new world seemed to open up. I used my newly found confidence to nab an incredible girl who by all means I never imagined I would be able to land. We dated for 4.5 years and recently broke up. There are many reasons why, but a large portion was me going purple pill, not focusing on my mission/bettering myself as a man, and believing in the happily ever after. By far the biggest disappointment is looking back at that love story and seeing it dissolve. I do not deny red pill truths. It just hurts when you think you have figured something out and you haven’t.

  26. Thinking about it now, I avoided most of the anger phase precisely because I unplugged much later than most, after I had unwittingly Alpha-ed up enough to enjoy a lengthy period which went pretty darn well for awhile. So when the unplugging came and I was looking back, what tempered the anger was knowing that I had at least done things somewhat right for awhile. Which both validated what I was learning and tempered the annoyance at what I’d been doing wrong and my swallowing the Hivemind myth of the S.N.A.G. being the epitome of manliness.

  27. I agree Novaseeker. It was still a great experience.

    I found that not getting caught up in the chemical bliss made it much easier to hold frame and stay outcome independent. That led to increased confidence which caused an increase in the quality of my relationships.
    I traded intensity for quality. A great deal in my book.

    You might have noticed that’s all written in the past tense.
    Two years ago I went on a loner date after someone flaked on me.
    I met my soulmate that day.
    A true Unicorn…

    …just kidding.
    I made the last two lines up. lol

    I did meet a pretty great woman and we’re still going strong.
    If they don’t flip out when you talk about gender dynamics, it’s a pretty good sign.

  28. I did meet a pretty great woman and we’re still going strong.
    If they don’t flip out when you talk about gender dynamics, it’s a pretty good sign.

    Yeah, about that. You might want to keep the discussions about gender dynamics to a minimum. There’s a reason the first rule of Fight Club is that you don’t talk about Fight Club.

    More clearly: When you talk about gender dynamics, you’re decoding ‘how this works’. The way women react to this is a mixture of disgust, indignation, surprise, and shame. Because you’re (correctly) judging and discerning, and because you’re holding a mirror up to them. And they don’t like it, no not one bit.

  29. Yeah, about that. You might want to keep the discussions about gender dynamics to a minimum. There’s a reason the first rule of Fight Club is that you don’t talk about Fight Club.

    I agree.
    Normally, I would have kept that to myself and I did for quite a while with her.
    She was already familiar with how Evolutionary Psychology affects modern gender dynamics. We both find that type of discussion intellectually stimulating.
    I think an important distinction is that we don’t bring our relationship into those kinds of discussions. They are typically started by something we see in the wild…or something her sister did.

    Game, on the other hand, I keep to my self.
    Even if she knows what I’m up to, she doesn’t want to know why I ‘get it’. She just wants to enjoy it.

  30. Unplugging felt like the first cold breeze after a long, stifling summer… At last, I could relax.

    Have a fantastic ManCon, Rollo!

  31. @Rollo, sometimes I wish that the laws of power were not so prescient. I’ve never been a joiner.

    @everyone else regarding the anger comment. Yeah, I know all the reasons that guys get angry. But it’s still a waste of time and energy. I know that you need to feel a little anger and blow off steam, but if it lasts longer than a few days then you’re being a pussy. I equate it to guys that I’ve worked with over the years.

    Take the same situation in a work environment. Some sort of setback that is going to require more work. The guys that get angry are the guys who then make it harder for the rest of us who just want to get it done and solved and get out of there. Getting angry is a bitch move. It’s an emotional move and that’s what chicks do. It’s a selfish move; you’re wallowing in your own emotional anger.

    Big deal. Stop being a dick and get on with it. So you’ve suffered. We’ve all suffered. You’re not special. And now you’ve finally found out the answer to your problems and you want to get all emotional about it? Geez, get over yourself.

  32. I know the truths of TRP, but the fact is we are not supposed to know them.

    Mans main PURPOSE is to love, protect and provide for a woman who bears our children, but this purpose has all but been taken from us.

    Unless you are prepared to take grave risks of what can amount to lifetime financial ruin and possible separation from your children you will have to find another purpose, we call this our Mission.

    As important as it is to have a mission in life, the fact that we have lost (actually given up) control of our ability to raise a family without life changing risks does lead the informed red pill man down the path of nihilism (at least for a while).

    That’s pretty much where I’m at now.
    I’m focused on changing my life so that I get to do what I want to do every day, while also building something substantial to leave my son.

    And while that’s a very worthwhile endeavour, I can’t help feeling that something is missing, that I was built to Give so much more of myself to a worthy woman as well as our children but given what I know about the true nature of the women and the current FI dominated society we currently have, I’m not prepared to go down that road to ruin.

    I can’t do a cypher an go back and nor would I want to, but I don’t see that women are actually happier long term with the current state of gender dynamics, men certainly aren’t, so what’s the point?

    I guess someone is making a buck or trillion out of this mess.

  33. @redlight

    “IB talk”

    In “Convnetion in Orlando, Florida”, the first word is broken and wounded

    Abused?

  34. yo play, from your story, we might have much in common

    I was at the same place not long ago but have since harnessed my anger to make the change and push thru when it gets tough or about to fall off the wagon; seriously, fuck everyone else, her, them, they, all of them except your son; but don’t confuse that with nihilism… that’s what happens when you stare too long at the abyss, wallowing in it as Adam says

    what I personally do is pivot off my son in that I have to be the man I want him to become; that should take care of what can be done to fake while you make it; then use that drive to “love, protect and provide” for your fucking self, my man; you do that, and you’ll be able to have whatever relationship you want with women…. on your own fucking terms

    post up some stuff on FR, it helps me, might help you, too

  35. Not so much in the anger phase myself,more lethargic.

    Having been raised a promise keeper by a single mother,with the old books influence of granddad,pop’s,and uncles. Getting kicked out of my moms’ home at 13 for making out with a higher class blond chick at a church hay ride.Coming to realization men are on their own while sleeping in a ditch that night. The cucking myself out at the age of 20,and coming to realize the youngest ain’t mine either,cucked again.

    And still married 36 years,because I don’t believe things could get any better with the FI going full bore.Guess I just lost my ambition and to tired to care.

  36. The initial anger is lot like when a child does something so bad the parent is upset and says “I’m not even angry, I’m disappointed”.

    Nowadays I don’t care a bit about “that one special girl” I’m just occasionally pissed off that I didn’t have this knowledge in my teens/twenties as it has made me a happier, contented and more confident person. I never realised socialising/female attention
    could be so simple and so much fun. I actually said to my girlfriend the other day that I never knew girls were this easy after she went on about friends of hers who were always getting used.

    To me it’s ironic that men are MGTOW “after” getting the manual. At least I gave up before because I genuinely didn’t have a clue.

  37. I flirted with the MGTOW fora bout a week or two, thats all it can do for me, or did, the thing is this guys of MGTOW, as much hurt as u can be, there is nothing as shitty as living a life without a woman or more than one for that instance, is not good for the men to be alone, and i am saying this from a total red pill personality. Nothing so unatractive as a needy guy in search for a woman, ofcourse. And you SHOULD make your life your priority, but as far as I see it… a complete life is with kids, and they happen to get out of pussys soo sooner or later you will have to get into a LTR. Ask any dad, red pill or blue or whatever if the kids they have are the best in life or not.. they most will say yes. I think marriage is hard, is too hard, woman are too complicated, even being a complete aware of the game, even being alpha, red pill, etc. AND to paraphrase the Matrix… maybe there are certain levels of loss we can accept? Anyways…just to say MGTOW sounds like a shity answer to life from my point of view.. even if having periods of being alone without a woman and being happy are great actually, not dependant of nothing not gaming nothing, just working making money feeling good, etc, but then again you will want some pussy, thats how should be. if you already had kids, and are mgtow, then the conversation might be different, but something tells me…in any case..nobody wants to be an old lonely granpa, right? just thinking in loud voice. GREAT post ROLLO. Anyone knows if james marshall will be present this year? Cant wait to see some videos on youtube about the conference.

  38. Lots of great reactions here. A few thoughts…

    Anger is a very powerful emotion that I believe is inevitable once a man awakens to the lies of the neo-marxist, post-modern, Progressive social order we are steeped in today. It’s entire premise is based on a set of delusions and Utopian hopes about man and society that simply have no truck in the real world. The femcentric ones are quite egregious, but by no means are they the only bad ideas spread about by rabid leftists.

    So the sentient man, now awakened, realizes that he’s been ill-served. And for a purpose – to make him more useful to society. And not only that, he then notices that society wants him to still give himself to it but doesn’t honor him or respect him for it. If one is not angry about that, well then you must be an unbelievably weak pussy of a man.

    The question is what should one do with this anger? A good portion of my anger was self-directed, and this was a huge problem for me. A child of severe abuse, I’m already insecure and have bouts of low self-esteem. The Red Pill unloads and bammo, I see how stupid I’ve been, how much I went at the “good man” myth with real vigor. How I internalized it and even shamed and shut down those questioning voices within me. How I fucked up relationships. On and on and on…

    But then what? I had a moment when I realized that I’d been mean enough to myself. That I’d put myself 2nd or 1000th for the last time. I’m still pissed off at this garbage fire of a leftist shit-show society that we’ve got going, but it doesn’t own me. I own it. And I’m not angry with myself at all. I also realize anger is dangerous and that it’s not to be fed or put up with for long.

    But righteous anger at the cunts running around our society spouting nonsensical leftist bullshit as truth 24/7? I’m not just angry at them – I’m working on my marskmanship and preparing in many ways to do what will need to be done with them. I actualize and focus my anger, and let it motivate me. I’m clear revolution and civil war is coming, and I hope those cunts get what’s coming to them. I’m certainly preparing to do my part. Got my sights set on a Sig MCX for Christmas…

    If anyone thinks embracing your masculinity is going to not involve getting comfortable with anger, and being angry, I think you should reset your expectations. Men should be super pissed off today, but not consumed by it.

    Let me put it this way. If I get pissed off driving, it’s a signal to me to let it go. Anger at stupid things only costs me my peace of mind, and since I’m self-serving and self-oriented now, I shake it off ASAP. But righteous anger? Different story. I put it on a shelf, but I don’t tell myself it’s wrong.

    @MikeTo – Question: When’s the last time you got laid? This 55yo “pua retard” fucked a 22yo and a 30yo on Monday. A personal best for my 50s, a plate came circling back and hung for the weekend (my HB9), and a new one. Fucking two girls in the same day. And do you think either of them even considered using a condom or not swallowing? Lol. And I owe them nothing. I don’t provision, I get what i want and deliver them the alpha/dominant hit they crave but can’t get from pussies like you. I get it, you are angry at other men for doing better than you. It’s not unique or interesting or compelling, it’s just sad.

    The key is my change of mindset. And developing a skillset with women that’s based on reality. But most of all, the fact that I respect myself now is like catnip to them. That I push back, that they can’t get away with shit with me, that I’m self-serving. I think this most of all is what attracts them. The HB9 who came up for the weekend was essentially my hired hand as i worked though projects. Putting up a new mailbox, deep cleaning interior/exterior of a car and other such things. She likes that I have volition and a life. I structure our time together and she just folds in, she’s dying for leadership and a man to follow.

    MGTOW is just amusing at this stage of the game. I get it, Betas have to justify not getting laid somehow. But really, making a lifestyle of it? And they are the most angry guys in the entire Red Pill scene, so please don’t try and tell me that MGTOW aren’t riddled with anger. And self-loathing for that matter as well. That’s just delusional BS. MGTOWs are Red Pill anger personified.

    But in the end it’s always the same. The Pareto principle is at work everywhere, and never more so than in intersexual dynamics. We need most men to be Betas, someone has to keep the trains running and the planes flying while guys like me do whatever the fuck I want.

    Platinum rule is everything. I get to have what I want. Creating my own reality and living into it. And giggling at what stupid girls have to say about it (for the most part, sometimes women point out interesting shit and I use that to my best interests as well).

    @Stuffin – Brutal honesty, as always. All I can share is this. I remember after deciding to leave my cheating cunt of a wife, I was sleeping on my divorced buddies couch in his basement apt in Brooklyn. I woke up one morning, looked around and said, “Well, it ain’t much, but at least I didn’t wake up next to someone who hates me.” I paid an awful price for getting the fuck out but I’d never change it. It was the first Red Pill moment for me, in which I said, fuck it – it get to have more than this. This can’t be all there is. And it turns out it I was right…

    Now I wake up alone most days and am happy. I look out at the sun coming up over the lake, the mist burning off and just soak it in. I stand out on my deck and see the world as my oyster, the terrain I want to conquer.

    Life is Gameable. I’m Gameable. Those who reduce Game to getting pussy miss the point utterly, but then again, if everyone got it, how would I ever win?

  39. @ Adam

    I flirted with the MGTOW fora bout a week or two, thats all it can do for me, or did, the thing is this guys of MGTOW, as much hurt as u can be, there is nothing as shitty as living a life without a woman or more than one for that instance, is not good for the men to be alone, and i am saying this from a total red pill personality. Nothing so unatractive as a needy guy in search for a woman, ofcourse.

    Woah there hoss.

    If you get a hold of the wrong woman for you, there will be nothing in life as shitty as living a life with that woman. Bank on it.

    Men can be alone. It’s a choice. If you think a woman makes your life better, I can see the problem right there. You make your life better. You make your life what you want it to be. A woman only is a compliment, to borrow Rollo’s term, not a focus.

    And you SHOULD make your life your priority, but as far as I see it… a complete life is with kids,

    That’s a personal choice and decision. A man is still fully a man without children, if that’s what he feels is correct for him. So do you think your life is incomplete right now? Are you gpoing to depend on an outside entity to complete you?

    Think about that for a minute.

    …sooner or later you will have to get into a LTR.

    Nope. You can spin plates until your heart stops beating, if that’s what you want to do. Thinking that you have to do anything is doing it wrong. ESPECIALLY when it comes to women.

    Ask any dad, red pill or blue or whatever if the kids they have are the best in life or not.. they most will say yes. I think marriage is hard, is too hard, woman are too complicated, even being a complete aware of the game, even being alpha, red pill, etc.

    ” Dad ” here. For me I guess it depends on what you mean by kids being ” The Best In Life “. I’ve seen guys that feel that their kids have cursed their lives. Not everyone or anyone is cut out to parent. Not all men are Father material.

    Lol, I love my kids with every fiber of my being, but let me be clear – my life was pretty fucking awesome before they came here. They’ve just joined the party by rite of birth. Having kids only means that I have a different set of responsibilities. I mean, I have to stay alive and shit like that, and have assloads of insurance polices in case I don’t. And I’m responsible for not raising dumb assed morons, lol. It’s a responsibility. Yes, you love your kids like crazy, but you are still job #1, because they depend upon you. So if you don’t have your shit together, or at least plan on getting your shit together, your feelz aren’t going to cut it alone.

    Marriage: It’s not hard. There, I said that shit. …. If your Red Pilled, it definitely isn’t ” hard ” because you understand wtf is going on 24/7. Again, like having kids, there are plenty of men that should never ever even consider marriage. If you really believe that women are ” complicated “, don’t consider marriage. Lol, if your Alpha, Red Pill and Game aware, you think marriage will still be ” hard ” for you? Hmmmmm…. maybe. Again, there’s no rule saying men must marry, and it’s highly inadvisable under current climate to do so.

    But the actual marriage part does not have to be hard. Unless you marry a Tazmanian Devil or something.

    … that shit looks hard.

    But understand girls. Women are just girls. Let go of ALL idealism wrt to interacting with females. Life will become magically easier.

    AND to paraphrase the Matrix… maybe there are certain levels of loss we can accept? Anyways…just to say MGTOW sounds like a shity answer to life from my point of view.. even if having periods of being alone without a woman and being happy are great actually, not dependant of nothing not gaming nothing, just working making money feeling good, etc, but then again you will want some pussy, thats how should be. if you already had kids, and are mgtow, then the conversation might be different, but something tells me…in any case..nobody wants to be an old lonely granpa, right? just thinking in loud voice.

    Lol, okay. Of course you will want ” some pussy “. newsflash Pussy obtainable without wedding, kids, ring or long term relationship!! Film at Eleven.

    I wouldn’t consider going MGTOW, but that’s just me and my particular preference. There’s been plenty of times in life where I didn’t even want a girl to take a nap after sex. Gotta go. Walk it off… lol. So if a guy says ” Yo, I understand all of the Red Pill stuff, and I choose not to be bothered “, that’s 100% acceptable for him. Doesn’t make his life ” shitty ” because he’s doing what he wants. Which is the point.

    Old Lonely Grandpa huh?

    https://therationalmale.com/2011/09/12/the-myth-of-the-lonely-old-man/

  40. Yeah, that happens because it’s all been de-mystified. You’re seeing it as it really is, rather than through the lens of an emotional maelstrom driven by brain chemicals that is both temporary and obscuring of the reality of what is actually taking place (and normally stronger on the male side as well, for the obvious reason that it’s designed to snooker you). You now see more clearly, which means that the thing has been de-mystified and is being seen more soberly. It can still be a very good, excellent even, experience, but it isn’t the chemically-induced roller coaster based on a false view of reality — that’s a good thing. Different, but good.

    I think one of the most disheartening things for Purple Pill coaches to confront is losing this ‘magic’ of being ignorant of a man’s role in things before he’s RP aware. This is why almost all of them incorporate some element of magical thinking in the mess that is their plan for a great relationship.

    They want to recapture that feeling driven by their biochemistry so badly they’ll go Eckhart Tolle in their new agey rationales for men relating with women and completely smooth over the parts of RP awareness that contradict a man ever returning to the ‘magic’. This is part of facing the abyss that I mentioned in the OP. They want that BP magic in spite of their RP awareness showing them it’s not just impossible, but it was always bullshit to begin with.

  41. @scrib

    Life is Gameable. I’m Gameable.

    Games are fun. So life should be more fun if you game. Messing with you should be fun. (Maybe you’re not even angry with me any more, lol.) You’re growing into an awesome guy. Keep up the good work.

  42. “This is part of facing the abyss that I mentioned in the OP. They want that BP magic in spite of their RP awareness showing them it’s not just impossible, but it was always bullshit to begin with.”

    Part of the staring in to the abyss and the upcoming 21 convention happens to be a message that you can stare into the abyss. stare it down and realize that it is not your Abyss. It is the fucked up Feminsist Abyss.

    You can stare down the abyss and make it not your cup of tea.

    Dr Zippper is staring at his abysss. Stare, then look away. Then distract yourself from that. The go make your own personal goals and realize your own self actualization.

    The abyss is a hurdle to jump over. You can mentally form a high hurdle to jump over or in a very simple mindset sort of way say: NO Big Deal. Heheh, such a low hurdle is right there in front of my fucking abyss. I choose what I want to choose and I choose low hurdle. Making The Best life for my Son is not a big deal because I choose among the infinite space of variations in front of me and his life.

    You can face the abyss as a better at being a man archetype. It’s definitely not at all fun to do that in denial, anger, bargaining or depression. So move forward through those stages and Accept that you can lower your barriers to obtaining your objective.

    This positivist mindset of mine is not just power of positive thinking, it is a by product of my Natural having done shit by self driven motivation, but also my last five years of learning Game and being Eyes Wide Open in Red Pill.

    Be fully aware, there is a Delay in when you become aware, try to game and then have things happen in a positive fashion. Don’t let that discourage you or be a barrier to Action to get yourself to a higher plane. And for god’s sake, don’t fucking just sit on your ass thinking about moving forward.

  43. Nice post Scribbs

    J

    “I structure our time together and she just folds in, she’s dying for leadership and a man to follow.”

    Take note man… Just out of your LR…

  44. @playdontpay

    “I guess someone is making a buck or trillion out of this mess.”

    There’s votes in ‘equality’ bullshit.

    Feed em dumb bullshit and they’ll believe it and vote for you

    So you’re right

  45. Rollo, this is really easy to figure out.

    The old saying goes thus: “Give a man a fish and you’ve fed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for the rest of his life”. That’s old books. 19th century stuff.

    New books:
    “Teach a man to fish and you have a job for one day. Give a man a fish and you have a job for life”.

    Would it be too cynical to suggest that Purple pill life-love-marriage-whatever coaches are essentially farming their clients? Or that clients are trained seals, Purple Pill coaches flip them a fish?

  46. @ SkidMarx
    “I actually had more trouble when I discovered that the New Relationship Energy that is normally felt when you meet a new woman had changed. It’s forever dampened by Red Pill knowledge.
    It was very tempting to adopt a Purple Pill mindset to regain the intensity that comes with a new relationship.”

    I totally, get what you mean. A part of me misses that feeling. Which makes me feel like what’s the point? When I do get out and interact most of the women I encounter…beyond their looks don’t stimulate me mentally. I see how dumb, boring and easily women(more in that) are and yet feel entitled to call the shots and being the smarter one. It makes me wonder beyond sex and kids how can a man truly go through all the hassles of being with one? We say we are doing all these things (red pill)on our own terms or is that what we say to feel better about the situation?
    About the boring woman part. I saw fathers today at the park, one was skate boarding with his 3 dogs and son running running after him, while the woman was passively walking behind uninvolved. The second father was being chased by his son and daughter and the mother just sat there on the field uninvolved. Fast forward to tonight on ny social media feed I see a post with women claiming how they are raising their family and how no one has the right to tell them how to do so. Which took me back to the park. Yet, these boring women have the nerves to ask for exciting guys. That’s the type of thing that angers me and to think men trade in a large part of their income, well being and freedom for that?

  47. For me, I think the biggest thing with red pill awareness is conquering oneself. Not so much the anger nor the influences of the FI.

    If one can’t conquer himself is life still worth living?

  48. @Sentient; Sexbots… saw one on a Facebook post and showed it to the wife to spin her hamster up a bit. She asked if I wanted one. Dread is real even with sex robots.

  49. Jafyk

    Man, sounds like you need less Facebook/social media and more getting out and engaging.

    Red Pill understanding doesn’t make women appear more boring and dumb. It makes women appear as they biologically are.

    You my friend, are still in a form of anger. Work on that, don’t stay there.

  50. “They want that BP magic in spite of their RP awareness showing them it’s not just impossible, but it was always bullshit to begin with.”

    one of the biggest mistakes a man makes is thinking that his action plan and the execution of that plan is responsible for his success. winning goes to his head and he thinks he is the master of his universe. at this point he is sure to be punched in the dick. this is why I like going outside. no matter how big I feel, once I get on the mountain, I know deep down that I am nothing but mostly empty space between electrons. no matter how hard I feel, the rock is always harder. but I still climb anyway. “because I choose to.”

    I believe in magic. right place right time kind of shit. I believe in energy. we process like 5% of the total data to construct our reality. can anyone really claim to be an expert in anything if he is dealing with 95% unknowns??

    i read some book where the dude explained that what some call “magic” is what others call “luck”.

    life is not a double blind placebo controlled experiment. for the scientic method to be effective within reasonable margins of error, the experiment conditions must be recreated exactly the same each time. out in the world, with girls and nature and time – no conditions will ever be recreated. this doesn’t mean we can’t observe and draw conclusions about cause and effect. we can. it’s called red pill. but this doesn’t mean it’s fucking true. just like math isn’t fucking true. it looks really fucking good on paper, but try to reconcile the big with the small and it all falls apart

    my question is, how the fuck can a man make a plan without allowing for the subtle influence of magic/luck?

    “Mans main PURPOSE is to love, protect and provide for a woman who bears our children, but this purpose has all but been taken from us.”

    man’s main purpose is to put sperm into vaginas. man is a tool of the dna. and I love how so many people assume that, because it’s so small, or looks so innocent, or “how can a series of letters have an agenda?”, that the dna isn’t a self serving entity in complete control of the situation, and that there’s no way we could be blind to it’s secretive nature. sound familiar? women exist for one reason. to pass that dna on in a slightly different combination which allows for “mistakes”. this, like their ovulation, is hidden from them. men today claim we all “work for the women”. the next step is, “who do the women work for?” the babies. what do the babies do? carry on that code. why are they cute? so we don’t eat them. most of the time.

    this is why I like going outside too. this place is fucking OLD. it wasn’t made for us. we were made because of it. all that “shit code” inside us, that’s supposed to be useless random gtcas… yeah. we’re so fucking proud of our monkey brains. we think because we managed to harness some of the swirling energy and put it to our own uses that we are the masters. hilarious.

    “You might want to keep the discussions about gender dynamics to a minimum. There’s a reason the first rule of Fight Club is that you don’t talk about Fight Club.”

    and fight club only grew because a lot of men broke the first rule. I know it’s hard for the rule followers to understand that not all men are like them and some see rules as rough guidelines to be pushed and stretched and that we’re willing to accept the possible consequences for transgressing because we’ve been swimming in those waters all our lives and we know that a guy can talk his way out of just about anything in a feminist world because women will totally believe bullshit that a rational man won’t even consider

    “More clearly: When you talk about gender dynamics, you’re decoding ‘how this works’. The way women react to this is a mixture of disgust, indignation, surprise, and shame. Because you’re (correctly) judging and discerning, and because you’re holding a mirror up to them. And they don’t like it, no not one bit.”

    disgust, indignation, surprise, shame, anger… all powerful emotions. women are emotional beings. if you don’t know how to flip disgust, indignation, surprise, shame and anger into hot fucking then you’re missing the point of game. the emotional rollercoaster is their world and a man is a fool to let any emotion go to waste. you can harvest all of them. i think that’s why they exist. to be harvested and used for our purposes.

    the question isn’t “do I discuss the truth about gender dynamics?” the question is, “why would I discuss the truth about gender dynamics?” why? all that shit leads to emotional waves, which can lead to a wet pussy. it’s not what you say. it’s how you say it. and why.

    talking about game with women is just like Blax’s “pickup means pickup at a funeral”. funeral blowjobs are amongst the best. lots of emotions leads to lots of catharsis. game is so great because there is no venue where it cannot be used. the entire world is its playground.

    talking for no purpose is what women do. the tallking is itself the purpose. a man rambling on about how “this is such scary mean feminist world and women are all lying skanks” without an end goal of isolation and dicking is communicating like a woman and the woman hearing this shit come out of his mouth will quickly determine that he basically is a frightened woman. if part of your dhv is talking about the girls you fuck and how you’re cool with how they operate this sends a powerful message. also I like to subtly emphasize how my target is different from the girls I usually prefer, like if my favorite recent sex partner had 39″ legs, and my target is 5’1″, but I never ever ever mention her height or anything about her looks, this will fuck with her. “if he likes long legs then why is he talking to me?”. “what didn’t he ever tell me I’m hot. or sexy. and why does he keep putting his hands on me? what does he want” the legs open quickly when her hamster is chewing on “what does he want” instead of “I want, I want, I want.” in your frame, the focus is on your will and pleasure, not hers.

    if part of your first meet game is, “tell me your top masturatory fantasy”, she is not going to play along unless she knows you fucking know how it works. if she knows her admissions won’t be held against her, she will tell you anything and everything (no one would believe how I answer my own question to disarm her. it’s fucking insane and violent and not one girl has ever scoffed in anything close to disgust. the key is the right amount of specificity so she believes you’re telling the truth.) they love to talk condescendingly about guys who are immediately ready to commit, who say shit like, “I’m falling in love with you” after a month or three. guys who do shit for them. guys who are timid. and of course game works on all of them. strong approach, physical escalation, hit it hard and then totally pull back. the ones who say, “I’m not looking for a relationship” are absolutely looking for a relationship… with the guy way out of their league. and the ones looking for something “long term” are the best bets for fuck buddies. I just let them project what they want onto me and don’t say anything to fuck it up because all the other guys will do that and make me look like an attractive option by default. most of the girls are so fucking confused they have no idea what they are doing so it really just is any given guy’s “turn in the oval office” and I’m really starting to be not just fine with that, but prefer it

    i hope there are guys at the convention who have never heard of Rollo or his work. their minds are going to be fucking blown. i’m already envying them. his arguments are so fucking tight. the evidence is everywhere. I for one am very happy that Rollo is one of the ambassadors of the red pill and that he was in the right place at the right time to make good shit happen. he’s kind of like that guy whose one wish is “to make people’s lives better without ever knowing it.” that’s some upper level shit and it makes me excited for the future

  51. nice comment, fleez

    “the emotional rollercoaster is their world and a man is a fool to let any emotion go to waste. you can harvest all of them”

  52. fleezer
    “if part of your first meet game is, “tell me your top masturatory fantasy”, she is not going to play along unless she knows you fucking know how it works. if she knows her admissions won’t be held against her, she will tell you anything and everything (no one would believe how I answer my own question to disarm her. it’s fucking insane and violent and not one girl has ever scoffed in anything close to disgust. the key is the right amount of specificity so she believes you’re telling the truth.) they love to talk condescendingly about guys who are immediately ready to commit, who say shit like, “I’m falling in love with you” after a month or three. guys who do shit for them. guys who are timid. and of course game works on all of them. strong approach, physical escalation, hit it hard and then totally pull back. the ones who say, “I’m not looking for a relationship” are absolutely looking for a relationship… with the guy way out of their league. and the ones looking for something “long term” are the best bets for fuck buddies. I just let them project what they want onto me and don’t say anything to fuck it up because all the other guys will do that and make me look like an attractive option by default. most of the girls are so fucking confused they have no idea what they are doing so it really just is any given guy’s “turn in the oval office” and I’m really starting to be not just fine with that, but prefer it”

    Very observably true…

    At a pool with kids talking about gender from a private school. They moved on to sex ed a guy is talking to a girl about learning about sex. Hearing them speak is interesting because its about red pill issue’s with a tribe of girls laughing.

  53. Talking abut fight club is inevitable. But I have a feeling that when red pill knowledge becomes mainstream and commonplace, intergender dynamics will morph into something quite cryptic to counter that development.

  54. My anger phase was really about me and trusting people and things beyond Ford trucks, Harley Davidson motorcycles, Game dogs, Colt rifles and the Ranger next to me.

    Why in the fuck I started listening to and trusting balless church faggots and simps is still a mystery to me

  55. @sfc

    “Why in the fuck I started listening to and trusting balless church faggots and simps is still a mystery to me”

    Unplugging does odd things to all of us.

    Plus the anger phase can have many targets (including ourselves) and last any period of time.

  56. Why in the fuck I started listening to and trusting balless church faggots and simps the woman in my life is still a mystery to me

  57. A favourite amongst Purple Pill dating choices:

    “Women don’t hate nice guys and love jerks, they just need guys who…”

    And then list things no nice guy would ever do.

  58. I never went through the “I hate women stage”. Probably because my Red Pill training started when I was 18. Back in ’62.

    Given that youngsters are getting RP I think the “hate” is a passing phase. An artifact of the times.

  59. Rollo Tomassi
    September 12, 2017 at 6:03 pm

    They want to recapture that feeling driven by their biochemistry

    It is not hard to recapture for both sides – she surrenders to you. I have been working that on the LTR. With some positive results. I also have been teaching her RP. Also with positive results.

    “When I do THAT it excites you?”

    “Yes.”

    “Then what is the problem?”

    “None.”

    But it took a very long time of making her watch her own reactions. Not recommended for most situations. There are easier ways to get results. But I wanted to do the experiment. My first GF was Red Pill all the way. She knew herself. I wanted to see if I could recreate that.

  60. cheupez
    “But I have a feeling that when red pill knowledge becomes mainstream and commonplace, intergender dynamics will morph into something quite cryptic to counter that development.”

    Been thinking about this all day.

    I think apple is about to hit some cords about this with tech hardware.

  61. ROLLO you are a great writer. And author and I have listen to some of your interviews. I think you will be awesome in the convention. I don’t know if your gonna do a power point presentation or just discuss what’s on your mind at the moment. But I know it won’t be scripted it will be organic. When you live it you don’t have to fake it like a political hack. I myself have no gift for writing or oratory and hate large groups. I wish you well and hope for the convention to be a success. Most important thing I think is reaching new blue pill men and giving them red pill info so they don’t get totally fucked in smp. Be prepared Rollo you may get questions from everything all kinds of off the wall shit cause Everyman is at a different level

    [I’m ready for it. And yes, I’m a believer in the Steve Jobs method of presentations, “People who know what they’re talking about don’t need powerpoint”.]

  62. FI goes batshit…

    Heh I’m no fan of sexbots myself, but the part of that video that was the most entertaining was when the male host disagreed with the critical feminist guest, basically cutting her off and reiterating the “harm standard” or morals (i.e., “no harm, no foul” morals), which feminism itself has championed (for women of course). You could practically see the steam pouring out of her ears, lol, that was worth the 6 minutes of that video.

  63. Anger phase at women is like being angry at Harvey or Irma.

    They came in, they destroyed your life, there was nothing you could do.

    Yell. Shake your fist. Cry. Rage. Got it out? Good.
    Now pick up your tools and start cleaning up, rebuilding.

    Then realize they are what they are. Its not personal. It doesn’t mean anything. There is no fated outcome. They are just large, impulsive, destructive forces.

    But they are predictable, not precisely but the general path.
    They are not out of nowhere, they announce their coming, their moods days in advance, if you know the signs. Ride it out, fortify against it or get out of the way.
    But now you know better.

    Never want to deal with it, fine, move to Wyoming but give up the warm breezes before the storm.
    Want to change thbe response? Fine, get involved, get political, improve the zoning and building code to weather it better, but don’t think politics can stop nature.
    Want to ride the tiger? Spend your fortune on flash at the seashore and ride it out. Live big, dance in thge rain. But one day the odds will say another storm is coming, its the nature of it.

    A storm, a child, a woman.
    They are what they are.
    Just don’t blame them for what happens in Your Future.

  64. MGTOW

    Remember the acfonym.

    Men Going Their Own Way.

    Nothing in there says anything about
    Women
    Politics
    Religion
    Antifa
    Leftists
    Tradcons
    Hollywood
    Cummings vs Briggs
    Dodge, Ford, Chevy
    Hounds vs Labradors
    The flavours at Baskin Robbins

    Its about You doing for You and Fuck the rest.

    Its Your. Own. Way.

    Whatever that is. Just Own It.

  65. @Blaximus: Seems you just cherry picked what I wrote and drew a narration you could lecture me with, lol?
    You conveniently missed where I was at the park. As if someone being on Facebook suddenly means they don’t have other aspects of their lives?

    The point is women who don’t have much to offer beside sex demand so much and claim to be better than what they are.
    I’m not angry at them. I feel more like what’s the point. My frustration is more at my economic situation more than anything else. I feel stuck.

  66. @KFG “Is there anything else in life worth doing?”

    If women’s nature and feminist imperative aren’t the problem and being a better man is the solution. Then it reasons that the path to being a better man is conquering oneself because once that is done then one can have everything the red pill has made them aware of.
    If they can’t conquer themselves then is it life worth living? At least a fulfilling life.

  67. @ Jafyk

    I wasn’t lecturing you. I was responding to the words you typed.

    I’m not a fan of men being frustrated. I’m also not a fan of men yapping about their Facebook feed or whatever. So I gave my opinion. Social Media is for chicks. Laugh. Out. Loud.

    Why are you concerned with what the dumb hoes do? Is that your target demographic of something?

    Yo man, conquer that shit. You can always start making a more fulfilling life by not watching what silly hoes do.

    And re: economic situation – that’s millions upon millions of people’s problem. You’re not really stuck, it’s a matter of opportunities and the skill to identify them and take advantage. That can be a tall order depending on where you happen to live.

    And yet money doesn’t make a better man. Picture that. Being frustrated doesn’t make a better man. Watching hoes in the park and on Facebook definitely won’t make a better man.

    Putting yourself first and putting your knowledge to work for you will *___________*(fill in the blank ).

  68. What a difference five letters can make. I saw “MGTOW” mentioned in passing in some unrelated blog, wondered what the heck it stood for, googled it up and stumbled onto Rational Male. Reached Year Six now and it just keeps getting better

    Some participants here clearly have been put through the FI wringer and I can understand the anger. I’ve been pretty fortunate and don’t regret any of the women I’ve been involved with, despite some really egregious behavior. So acceptance is a better word than anger. What Rollo has done so well is explain their behavior and my many beta blunders — explain, not excuse. And also helped me understand the positives that have opened windows of opportunity for me at times.

    “Purple Pill” may be a term of derision but it strikes a chord with me because at 62 I’m too conditioned and naturally passive to ever go dead-red. But in learning how I’ve surrendered a lot of frame over a 30-year LTR I also see ways I’ve dug in and held on. It’s been The Summer of Rollo for me, and with this knowledge I feel not angry but calmer and stronger in dealing with women.

    Where I do feel frustrated is seeing how the FI has seeped in to warp all layers of society, helping undermine this great country and putting so many men in a double-bind straitjacket. I’d seen this myself on a professional level but did not have the grim personal context provided by many TRM participants.

  69. Ton
    Why in the fuck I started listening to and trusting balless church faggots and simps is still a mystery to me

    Seemed like a good idea at the time, I’m sure.
    More than one man could have that carved on his gravestone.

  70. Blaximus, maybe you should ask what I was doing at the park rather than fill in blanks.

    If social media isn’t for you good none of my biz but I use it to connect people all over the word (family, ex-class mates), run social media ads, entertainment.

    What you’re saying is akin to someone telling you a funeral is not the place to pick up chicks. To each his own.

    I was at the park putting on my soccer gear to play.

  71. A parting shot then I’m off to see the Wizard –

    ” I totally, get what you mean. A part of me misses that feeling. Which makes me feel like what’s the point? When I do get out and interact most of the women I encounter…beyond their looks don’t stimulate me mentally. I see how dumb, boring and easily women(more in that) are and yet feel entitled to call the shots and being the smarter one. ( hoes )- It makes me wonder beyond sex and kids how can a man truly go through all the hassles of being with one? We say we are doing all these things (red pill)on our own terms or is that what we say to feel better about the situation?

    About the boring woman part. I saw fathers today at the park, one was skate boarding with his 3 dogs and son running running after him, while the woman was passively walking behind uninvolved. The second father was being chased by his son and daughter and the mother just sat there on the field uninvolved. Fast forward to tonight on ny social media feed I see a post with women claiming….( women claiming? Who are these mystical women on your social media feed???? ) how they are raising their family and how no one has the right to tell them how to do so. Which took me back to the park. Yet, these boring women have the nerves to ask for exciting guys. That’s the type of thing that angers me and to think men trade in a large part of their income, well being and freedom for that?”

    Blaximus replied –

    ” Jafyk

    Man, sounds like you need less Facebook/social media and more getting out and engaging.

    Red Pill understanding doesn’t make women appear more boring and dumb. It makes women appear as they biologically are.

    You my friend, are still in a form of anger. Work on that, don’t stay there.”

    https://media.tenor.com/images/7b4cd21954dcff32593b2701830df798/tenor.gif

  72. RE: Adam and Blaximus
    … a complete life is with kids, ”

    I understand Blaximus’ point. However, I believe that Adam’s point of view is more appropriate for the majority of men.

    To paraphrase Jordan Peterson, “If you are going to live an extraordinary life, you had better be extraordinary. Otherwise, you should do the things that ordinary people do.”

    If you really have this master plan that does not include kids, you had better be damn certain that is in fact your plan. Now, the trouble is that when you are young, you don’t know enough about the world to make such a decision. Some men have posted that they plan to wait until 45’ish to have children. I had my first at 35 and knowing what I know now that was pushing it.

    To paraphrase Peterson again, “You are not an adult until you have a child.”

    You may have a great life without kids, but it seems to me to be a continual repeat of things you did in your early 20’s. Recently, Mersonia, in one of his asshole posts said I was really stupid, but he had to go try to find a woman to bang. The plan of plate spinning till you’re dead may sound good to some men here and if it describes you, have at it.

    When I am at the end of my life my hope is that my son and daughter will stop by to see me and we can talk of our time together. At the very least, I like knowing that these are my memories whether I share them or just remember them. I don’t want to be a guy, like Mersonia, flipping through my iPhone and boring some stranger with, “Oh, I banged that girl behind a dumpster, and this girl gave me a restroom blow job… and. That’s just sad in my humble opinion.

    Face the facts, either you reproduce or you are out of the gene pool, and whatever you do or did is forgotten at some point, unless you do something great like invent the telephone, like that Alexander…what the fuck was his name.

    Please don’t misunderstand. Don’t have children unless you have vetted the woman. She must be attracted to you as an alpha fucks guy, kind, smart, trustworthy, loyal and someone who you enjoy spending most of your time with. If you have children, you will be doing a lot of that.

    I don’t think a man can be a “pure” alpha and raise children. If you are the Grand Poobah and your wife or wives bring the child for your inspection and blessing—maybe. If you are covered in projectile vomit or changing diapers, you won’t appear to be so alpha.

  73. “A storm, a child, a woman.
    They are what they are.
    Just don’t blame them for what happens in Your Future.”

    “Whatever that is. Just Own It.”
    Very true, we can’t control other people or external things, only how we deal with it internally.

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