AFC Social Conventions

After detailing the Qualities of the AFC, I feel it’s necessary to illustrate that social conventions aren’t the exclusive realm of the feminine imperative . AFC have their own set of social conventions – those which are commonly practiced and self-reinforced by the Beta mindset. I realize that more than a few of these conventions are going to get under the skin of some readers, however, as you read this, please try to do so objectively. I’m writing this as an observation; it’s not intended to be a personal affront to anyone.

You could simply call AFC Social Conventions AFC ‘rationalizations’, but I think this ignores the socially reinforcing element of these conventions. When I wrote the Qualities of the AFC I outlined the characteristic traits, behaviors and core mental schemas of what are commonly believed to be AFC qualities. This was a brief list to sum up a few root elements in identifying and dealing with a Beta mindset and aid in unplugging an AFC. Social conventions are different in that they are socially reinforced (usually by both genders) rationalizations for behavior. Technically some of the AFC qualities I outlined previously could be considered social conventions as well, but I was attempting to address the symptoms rather than the disease.

I’m going to define a few more examples of what I’m most commonly noticing as AFC mental schemas that are reinforced socially. A strong part of the internalization process of these conventions is that the reason they are socially reinforced is because they’re socially unassailable (or at the very least foolish to do so). In other words the common response to them would be to reinforce them more, rather than challenge them, and this then becomes an integral part of the internalization process.

The Myth of the “Quality” Woman

It seems like all I read about on SoSuave is a never ending quest for a “Quality Woman.” There’s always been plenty of threads asking for clear definitions of what constitutes a “Quality” woman and most conveniently set women up into 2 camps – “Quality Women” and Whores, as if there could be  no middle ground or grey area. How easy it becomes to qualify a woman based on her indiscretions (as heinous as they’re perceived to be) for either of these categories. This is binary thinking at its best – on or off, black or white, Quality woman or Whore.

I think the term ‘Quality’ woman is a misnomer. Guys tend to apply this term at their leisure not so much to define what they’d like in a woman (which is actually an idealization), but rather to exclude women with whom they’d really had no chance with in the first place, or mistakenly applied too much effort and too much focus only to be rebuffed. This isn’t to say that there aren’t women who will behave maliciously or indiscriminately, nor am I implying that they ought to be excused out of hand for such. What I am saying is that it’s a very AFC predilection to hold women up to preconceived idealizations and conveniently discount them as being less than “Quality” when you’re unable to predict, much less control their behaviors.

The dangers inherent in this convention is that the AFC (or the even the ‘enlightened man’ subscribing to the convention) then limits himself to only what he perceives as a Quality woman, based on a sour-grapes conditioning. Ergo, they’ll end up with a “Quality” woman by default because she’s the only candidate who would accept him for her intimacy. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy by process of elimination. Taken to its logical conclusion, they shoot the arrow, paint the target around it and call it a bullseye, and after which they feel good for having held to a (misguided) conviction.

So why is this a social convention then? Because it is socially unassailable. Since this convention is rooted to a binary premise, no one would likely challenge it. It would be foolish for me to say “Yes Mr. Chump I think you ought to avoid what you think of as Quality women.” Not only this, but we all get a certain satisfaction from the affirmation that comes from other men confirming our assessment of what category a woman should fit into. Thus it becomes socially reinforced.

Beware of making your necessity a virtue in making a Quality woman your substitute for a ONEitis idealization.

The Myth of the Dodged Bullet

In my lifetime I’ve had sex with over 40 women and I never once caught a venereal disease, nor did I get anyone pregnant. I can also point to men I know who contracted Herpes from the only women they’d ever had sex with. The fact of the matter is that you can equally be a rock star and tap hundreds of women without any consequence and you can be a virgin saint and contract a disease on your wedding night. The myth of the dodged bullet is a social convention that’s rooted in the rationalization that monogamy serves the purpose for controlling sexually transmitted diseases and thus fewer partners are more desirable than many. From a statistical standpoint this may seem logical on the surface. Fewer opportunities for sexual intercourse would indeed decrease the risk from a single individual, but unfortunately this isn’t a practical estimate. You’ll also have to base the numbers not only on how many sex partners you and your monogamous partner have had, but also how many prior partners they’ve had and how many those partners had as well and so on exponentially. Despite of all this, the odds that you’ll die from a form of cancer, heart disease, smoking or obesity related diseases, or even an alcohol related traffic fatality far outweigh any risk of dying from a venereal disease in western society. The mortality rate for for contracting gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia, herpes and even HIV pale in comparison to many – in some cases more easily preventable – diseases.

Of course, since this is a social convention, I would be grossly negligent and severely lambasted by the public at large for even implying that I’m condoning, much less advocating, that a man explore his options and open his experience up to having sex with multiple partners. Again, this social convention is unassailable. But it sounds like it makes good sense, “boy, am I sure glad I got married/shacked up and didn’t catch a disease, pffew!” It sounds like conviction, when in fact it’s a rationalization for a lack of other realistic options with women or an innability to deal with a fear of rejection from multiple sources. Again, necessity becomes virtue.

Location, Location, Location

Another common contrivance is the presumption that less than desirable (low quality) women will necessarily be found in bars & clubs (or other places of “ill repute”). Thus the chump will only too eagerly avoid these places. This is, yet again, another example of the binary logic of an AFC and completely ignores that A.) women with whom they might make a successful connection with do in fact frequent clubs and B.) less than desirable women can also be met in “alternative” meeting places too (coffee house, university campus, library, Bible study or any number of other “safe places”). However, making approaches in a club are difficult for the inexperienced Game adherent and AFC alike. There’s a lot of competition and a LOT of potential for ‘real time’ rejection for the unprepared. By masking this deficit in game with condemning such places, the AFC thinks he’s killing two birds with one stone – he’s protecting his ego from very real rejection and he’s lauded by “proper” society (see people who go to clubs anyway) for being an upstanding individual for avoid those “dens of iniquity.”

The Myth of ‘Other Guys’

This is perhaps the most dangerous AFC social convention.

We’d all like to think we’re unique and special individuals. It’s a comforting thought, but our uniqueness means nothing if it isn’t appreciated. We’d all like to be beautiful, talented, intelligent and extrordinary in some way to some degree and have others notice these qualities unequivocally. This is the root for the Not Like Other Guys convention. The idea is that the AFC can and will be appreciated in a greater degree for his personal convictions and/or his greater ability to identify with women’s stated prerequisites of a man by comparing himself to the nebulous Other Guys who are perceived not to abide by her stated conditions. The intent is to, in essesence, self-generate social proof for attraction while substituting a real social element with perceived or reported social evidence. The fallacy in this schema is that it’s always better to demonstrate social proof than to explicate it, but this is lost on the AFC subscribing to this convention. This only becomes more compounded by the reinforcement he receives from other AFCs (and really society at large) sharing his desire to outshine the phantom Other Guys. He’s patted on the back and praised by men and women alike for voluntarily molding his personality to better fit a woman’s perceived ideal and told in so many words “oh AFC,..I’m so glad you’re not like Other Guys.”You can’t fault the guy. He genuinely believes his Nice Guy personal conviction and everyone applauds him for it.

In closing I’d argue that 95% of men aren’t even aware that they’re repeating / reinforcing a social convention at all because the convention is so embedded into social consciousness it’s taken for granted. The most effective social conventions are ones in which the subject willingly sublimates his own interests, discourages questioning it, and predisposes that person to encourage and reinforce the convention with others. This is the essence of the Matrix; anything can become normal.

I encounter AFC mentalities all day long in my line of work, and I don’t encounter them strictly from men either. More often than not I find myself in some social/work environment where it’s women fomenting an AFC attitude and it’s men who jokingly play along with them in an attempt to identify with these women in order to qualify for female intimacy. It’s this pop-culture ‘agreeability’ factor that is taken as an unquestioned norm. It’s expected that female-centric social conventions should simply be a matter of fact without any need for critical thought.

For a positively masculine Man there is no better opportunity to set yourself apart and start to plant the seeds of critical thought into AFCs than when you’re presented with these social situation. I think most men lack the balls to be a firestarter at the risk of being perceived as some caveman, but it’s a good opportunity to truly set yourself apart from ‘other guys’ when you do.

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Danger
Danger
12 years ago

Great post. My only comment is regarding the “Quality”/”Whores” debate. While it is important to not turn a necessityinto a virtue, and while the Quality/Whore label is a nebulous path at best to navigate, it is still very much in the best interest of men to learn how to discern on some level the indiscretions of a woman before committing in any way to her. While I do not advoate directly asking a woman if she was a whore or how much she slept around, knowing if a woman gave 37 blowjobs (not counting you) during the course of a… Read more »

Good Luck Chuck
Good Luck Chuck
12 years ago

The Myth of the Quality Woman is also a post-rationalization for men who can’t bear the thought of being with a woman who does not meet up to some arbitrary judgment of “quality”. If you acknowledge that women should be judged on a sliding scale as opposed to a binary scale you open yourself up to the possibility that any given woman might not actually live up to the expectations of you or of society in general. A lot of men are scared shitless to break through the final layers. To do so would require them to abandon every last… Read more »

Good Luck Chuck
Good Luck Chuck
12 years ago

Case in point- http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=187093

As usual, it’s Rollo and two or three guys who truly “get it” trying to talk some sense into the “you just have to know where to look” crowd.

Is it just me or did that place turn into LS lite over the past couple of years?

detinennui32
detinennui32
12 years ago

GLC:

I read that sosuave thread. Good Lord. I think it’s pretty clear that in today’s SMP, it’s a sliding scale between quality woman and whore. Every woman has some quality characteristics. Every woman has some whore. . There is no “ideal” woman. Any man who wants a wife will just have to try to find one with the fewest amount of “whore” characteristics he can find, and hope for the best.

TheHumanist
TheHumanist
12 years ago

First, I say before, and I’ll probably say again unless I can’t recognize you anymore or stop reading these posts. Your tone of condescension never help. Your condescending tone, not your statements is the much more likely to be what really stirred those threads to the flame wars when you were around. Just compare, this did went to 5 pages, but it took 2 months to do it. You would have reach 5 pages in 2 days, and with more vitriol and less discussion. Aside from that, I cannot agree your argument that most of SS can’t handle the truth… Read more »

detinennui32
detinennui32
12 years ago

GLChuck: “taking that extra step into believing that any woman is capable of cheating on you (not to be confused with the idea that ALL women cheat) requires a level of fortitude that few men possess. The truth isn’t ugly, it is downright disgusting. And a lot of guys can’t handle it.” This was the final frontier for me in the manosphere. That was very difficult for me to accept but I did it. It’s hard for a married man to accept the truth that your wife is capable of cheating on you. Not that she has, or that she… Read more »

Y
Y
12 years ago

What bugs me most is that these memes, shemas and scripts are indoctrinated through TV shows that guys willingly watch. I live in a shared house and have been subjected to shows like ‘The Big Bang’ and ‘How I Met Your Mother’ which are full of these damaging ideas.

johnnymilfquest
12 years ago

“they shoot the arrow, paint the target around it and call it a bullseye, and after which they feel good for having held to a (misguided) conviction.”

+1.

They define the quality woman as the one who didn’t rebuff their approaches. Until she starts acting like a bitch, of course, at which point she’s no longer “quality”. Been there. Done that. SMH.

YOHAMI
12 years ago

The guy emphasizing he is not like “the other guys” fails to realize she is just like the other girls.

He is not only competing with “phantoms”, but doing a dance for a person that is not even there.

Johnycomelately
Johnycomelately
12 years ago

Re Quality Women

A Scotsman I used to know had a saying, “Turn them upside down and they all look the same.”

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J.M.
J.M.
12 years ago

I would like Mr. Tomassi to answer this question: if we are not judge our potential partner’s character and possible tell tales she is a cunt, should we entangle ourselves with….a known former gangbanger? because tha’s where your mindset leads (i hope I misread and misunderstood your statement). In my personal life I divide the women in two categories, possible LTRs (no marriage at this time) and fuckbuddies as you would say, gals i wouldn’t want to wake up next to. Based on the telltales that I’m able to spot over 80% are only worth a fuck and nothig more,… Read more »

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Sky
Sky
10 years ago

So, this article hit a nerve with me, about a question none of my more PUA or Game-minded friends have been able to really advise me on. You see…I dated a woman for a couple months and when we had sex the first time she did in fact give me Herpes. Truthfully its really not that hard to live with…when you first get it you get the worst flu ever and its hell but after that it’s nothing more horrible, and often indistinguishable from an ingrown hair or pimple, and I never get outbreaks on my actual junk. WHAT IS… Read more »

XNXN
XNXN
9 years ago

Sky, I think assuming you are ethically obliged to disclose your status to a casual hookup is overblown and misguided. Legally, you are certainly not required to do so in the United States (unlike HIV, in many states). If you take suppressive medications, avoid sex on OBs, and use protection, your chances of transmitting the virus are 0-2%. If your original site of infection and OB occur on the the area covered by the condom, then the chances of transmission are even closer to 0%. The numbers you read on the internet about condoms only being partially successful at stopping… Read more »

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Gil
Gil
3 years ago

My question about disease never had a preconceived implication that the women were the petri dish. Sleeping around for me has this stigma that men and women can pass this stuff around. Not yet convinced that this is very low risk! I know of ppl who have gotten crud passed onto them. BTW, what the hell does “AFC” mean?

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