Peterson drops the ball in a couple of forgivable instances here. First, many contemporary studies show that women do in fact enter an estrus state. Secondly, while he is entirely correct about women’s Hypergamy never seeking its own level, he implies here that it is singularly a man’s capacity to produce and share resources that forms the basis for women’s attraction. This is an interesting overlook when you consider how often he’s made reference to how women primarily look for sexual dominance in men. From the Beta Bucks, provisioning, side of women’s sexual strategy, a man’s capacity for production and sharing resources is certainly an attraction cue, but it is only a cue insofar as it applies to women’s long term security needs. From the Alpha Fucks, short term mating perspective, it is a man’s capacity for sexual arousal and his sexual availability to her that is the basis for assessing a man’s SMV.
I have a great deal of respect for Dr. Peterson. I count him amongst the greatest minds of Red Pill awareness, however, his analysis is often subject to a Blue Pill conditioning that predisposes him to a default belief in the inherent ‘goodness’ of the female psyche. That isn’t to say women are inherently ‘bad’, but it is to say his objectivity is colored by a want to see the feminine on a pedestal. Peterson tends to pepper in a Blue Pill conditioned masculine ridicule into his observations about men when he’s detailing gender differences and it’s his habit to presume the best from women. He accurately makes the case here for how men are continually driven by an existential crisis when it comes to being accepted by (‘perfectly well-intended’) women in passing on their genetic material, but falls into the trap of believing that women would only, logically, want to breed with men who have good long term prospects for providing and sharing resources. There’s a 30+ year body of evo-bio / evo-psych research that contradicts his presumption.
However, in this instance, Peterson hits upon the fundamental reasoning as to why men are by nature more competitive than women. Over the millennia of human evolution, the stresses of men’s breeding strategies and realities has become hardwired into the male mental firmware, and as such it has selected-for men having a more competitive nature than women. I would go so far as to suggest that competitiveness is a primary aspect of conventional masculinity – and one that requires a constant effort to socialize out of modern males today.
On the female side we have to consider how women evolved, socially and psychologically, in hunter-gatherer, foraging tribes, and how the environmental stress of maintaining a social collective shaped women’s mental firmware. It’s my belief that women’s intense need for long term security (as well as Hypergamous doubt) is directly descended from the need to hedge against the environmental uncertainties of our evolutionary past. The rigors of gestation, carrying a child to term, child birth and then rearing that child to puberty – all while gathering food and resources and defending that child and the collective against external (and sometime internal) threats selected-for women with a collectivist / cooperative mental firmware. While the men of the tribal society were off hunting game or defending the tribe, it would follow that women would develop a more unitary, collectivist social order of intrasexual cooperation in order to survive and, as Dr. Peterson points out, ensure that the genetic material of the men they selected (or were selected by) survived for posterity.
In several essays, and in my latest book, I describe women’s natural social order as the Sisterhood Über Alles. That is ‘women above all else’, and from an evolved psychological perspective this solidarity, collectivism and cooperative bent is the mental vestige of an evolution that demanded women to be so in order to survive. Evolution doesn’t care how women breed and survive, just that women breed and survive. Flash forward to modern times and we see women of every and any social, political, religious and racial stripe preempt any conviction inspired by them with the concerns of womankind.
There are several studies that indicate that collectivism is a characteristic of women’s mental firmware. When presented with the distribution of a common wealth (or resource) it’s women’s predisposition to mete those resources out to the familial, feminine-primary social group (tribe) in as even a distribution as possible, or by an individual’s most pressing needs. Again, this is convincing evidence of a mental framework that leans towards a collectivism that finds its roots in our evolutionary past.
This fundamental prioritizing of the survival, needs and best interests of women as a collective is what now forms the basis of, and drives, what I commonly refer to as the Feminine Imperative. And from the Feminine Imperative, combined with a male-permissive social structure that has allowed for women’s social primacy, we have largely developed into a feminine-primary social order that is founded on the evolved, collectivist social structure that women’s mental firmware naturally predisposes them to.
Collectivism, socialism, is a fundamental aspect of the female psyche. In a social order that prioritizes female interests above all else we see the rise and perpetuation of an egalitarian equalism that finds its roots in women’s natural predisposition for collectivism. I would argue here that the egalitarian equalism we contend with today is really a convenient cover-term for female social primacy, and one that is a result of women’s collectivist nature.
Male Dominance Hierarchies
As Dr. Peterson briefly details in this clip, it is primarily men’s performance burden (and a man’s capacity to share the fruits of it) that has historically been the basis of women’s selection criteria for the long term provisioning aspect of women’s Hypergamous natures. And as I mentioned, this only covers half of what makes for women’s true assessments of men’s sexual market value. DNA mapping of our foraging ancestors reveals the real story about the importance sexual arousal and strategic pluralism played in women’s sexual selection. Historically, only 20% of men bred with 80% of women. If we only look at this fact from Peterson’s perspective we’re left to conclude that this 20% looked like good long term prospects with resources to share, rather than consider the uglier side of Hypergamy and women opportunistically breeding with the best physical specimens they had access to and, proactively or retroactively, cuckolding the ‘good provider’. The mental schema of mate guarding didn’t develop in a vacuum – there are very good evolutionary reasons why men developed a subconscious, peripheral sensitivity to the behaviors that indicate women’s ovulatory phase.
Hypergamy doesn’t care, but it did indeed play a part in the evolution of men’s dominance hierarchies as Peterson suggests. Whether the criteria for selection was physical prowess or provisional prowess, the breeding pressures placed on men by women’s sexual strategy is responsible for a great deal of what we consider the male nature and conventional masculinity itself. While it may be a pleasant fiction for men to apply terms like strength and honor and fidelity to male-kind, those concepts exist outside the evolved male-competitive nature. Kings and emperors had breeding rights to harems while their subjects, by order of degree, had sexual access to progressively diminishing opportunities with women.
One aspect I think Peterson didn’t get around to explaining in this clip is that women have only had unilateral sexual selection opportunity in the past century due to the social and physical unfettering of Hypergamy. Being a king may’ve meant that man had more breeding opportunities than that of his lessers, but it in no way made him the best, or even the willing, choice for the women he bred with. Up until the rise of feminine social primacy, men have always had social, moral, ethical and yes, physical, means of exerting their own control over Hypergamy.
Competitiveness is what defines masculinity for every generation of men. While it may be part of women’s mental firmware to consider the collective first with regard to resource distribution, it is most definitely an evolved characteristic of men to accrue resources in order to be considered a good prospect for women’s long term security needs. When we consider the criteria women have in order for a man to represent an optimal Hypergamous prospect, it makes pragmatic sense that an innate competitiveness would be part of men’s psychological firmware. Nature would select-for a natural competitiveness in men. As such we observe that men consider merit and performance first in distributing resources (rewards) in order to recognize, in theory, an exceptionality in men. Even if it is within our selfish-gene nature to want to retain as much for ourselves (and thus make ourselves better prospects for Hypergamous optimization) we still recognize merit, or lack of it, in men’s burden of performance.
So, with regard to the bigger societal picture, what we’re seeing in our egalitarian equalist social experiment of today is not just a conflict in men and women’s social approaches, but also a fundamental conflict in which sex’s sexual strategy will be the socially predominant one. In a social sense it is a conflict in the Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies. Since the time of the Sexual Revolution the answer has been clear; it is women’s sexual strategy that has been allowed to define our social order.
Brotherhood
Jack Donovan had a great post back in February titled We are not Brothers. I entirely cosign his sentiment in this essay – today men bandy around the term Brother without really considering the deeper implications that true, in-group, exclusively male, brotherhood entails. It’s a good essay, but I think one reason Jack is sensitive to the term losing its meaning is due to the efforts the Feminine Imperative has made in destroying men’s understanding of conventional masculinity. It’s deliberate, so Brotherhood means whatever the feminine feels comfortable in allowing it to mean, and it can effect control over its significance for as long as it can continue to confuse men about the sacrificial nature of conventional masculinity.
Men’s dominance hierarchies and breeding strategies predispose men to maverick independence (sigmas) or intrasexual rivalries within a fraternal group (tribes). Men’s collective, cooperative social structures – traditionally, exclusive male spaces – existed in spite of this intrasexually competitive nature. Even amongst the most steadfast, cooperative and loyal of brotherhoods there will always be intrasexual rivalries for breeding opportunities. And as Jordan B. Peterson notes, it is women’s Hypergamy that gives rise to male dominance hierarchies, but moreover it has led to the necessity for developing an evolved predisposition for men’s being competitive.
It is precisely this competitive mental firmware in men which makes it next to impossible for their to ever be a Brotherhood Über Alles – and in an age where men are shamed for masculinity, an age in which women will force themselves into male space as overseers, an age where men will adaptively define masculinity to mean whatever suits their weakest proficiencies, it’s easy to understand the difficulties in men cooperatively coming together to enforce their own collective best interests as men. In ages past, when masculine cooperation determined the fate of a tribe, a people, a nation, etc. this fraternity was a much more imperative concept for men.
It’s been noted before that in earlier eras formalized monogamy was a social adaptation with the latent purpose of solving men’s evolved imperative to ensure his own paternity. Whether this adaptation was (is) a successful hedge against women’s Hypergamy is debatable, but the relative insurance a man was afforded by formal monogamy was that he could send his genetic material on to successive generations. From an evolutionary perspective, men’s primary existential crisis is reproduction, and in order to successfully solve this problem women’s Hypergamy must be controlled for. As this push for male control superseded women’s imperatives it’s made for a social guarantee that a man would reproduce with a lessened need for competition and a lessened burden of performance for men. While high SMV men were guaranteed reproduction, the monogamy adaptation meant that, theoretically, only the lowliest of men wouldn’t find a mate.
That was the latent socio-sexual contract prior to the Sexual Revolution. Today, we see parallels for this struggle between men and women’s sexual strategies and women’s own social push to unilaterally control and institutionalize Hypergamy. Now the script has been flipped to socially create and enforce a new feminine-primary structure that has the latent purpose of ensuring even the lowest SMV woman can fulfill Hypergamy to a greater degree. Just as formal monogamy sought to ensure men could solve their reproductive purpose in spite of his performance burden, now we have women as the primary beneficiaries of a society structured to, theoretically, ensure they have access to both the best genes (Alpha Fucks) and the best provisioning (Beta Bucks) – all to the point that men are conscripted into doing so.
As women have less and less need of men who can (directly) produce and share resources the concept of masculine cooperation in enforcing their best interests becomes a farce at best, a ‘hate crime’ at worst. The more women can produce and/or consume resources, or conscript men to involuntarily produce and share, the more women lean towards the Alpha Fucks aspect of Hypergamy in prioritizing their sexual selection. As a result, male dominance hierarchies will continue to develop around the short term sexual breeding criteria of women. In the past, as per Dr. Peterson, that hierarchy may have been centered on long term provisioning; today it is all about women’s pleasure in accessing the best genetic material her evolved hindbrain determines is in her best interests.
Yet still we hear women bemoan a lack of marriageable, long term producer/sharers who are their (perceived) status equals or better (always better). The evolved need for that security providing, competent male is still part of her mental firmware, no matter what the social conventions of the Feminine Imperative are telling her conscious self. And in a pragmatic, adaptive response, men will continue to define masculinity for themselves, continue to prioritize short term sexual arousal above long term attraction, and continue to be befuddled or embarrassed by the ideas of forming Brotherhoods with any deeper meaning than what pop culture will define them for men as.
Late edit: Reader Novaseeker had a brilliant observation about the reasons women’s collectivism evolved.
The innate sisterhood, or herd, also arises from the reality that most human tribes were patrilocal and not matrilocal. That is, the core of the tribe was a group of males bonded by kin, and they brought in females from other tribes (trade/conquest) routinely for mating. Thus, the males had relatively high levels of cooperation due to being kin-bonded (not perfect levels of cooperation — rivalries always exist, violence happens in kin bonds as well — but much higher than among non-kin-bonded males), whereas the females had to adapt to cooperate with the other females despite the lack of kin bonds between them as a kind of counterweight to the innate solidarity that the kin-bonded males had vis-a-vis the females. The kind of female sisterhood/collectivism that we see in women evolved, in addition to what you write about, as well from the need to counteract the male solidarity in patrilocal tribes — women evolved to cooperate with other “strange” women in the face of this male solidarity which was based on kin bonds.
A key point of this — and something which explains much of the behavior of women *politically* in the last 200 years or so — is that the context in which this evolved was specifically to counterweigh male power. That is, because females would otherwise have remained weak and isolated in the face of a tribe of kin-bonded males, they evolved this sisterhood/collective mentality specifically to provide a counterweight to male power. This is important, because it’s this specific context in which this mentality comes to the fore most prominently in women, even today. Women can fight and scratch and claw with each other and be bitches with each other incessantly, but when one of them comes into conflict with a man or “with men”, the sisterhood/collective mindset kicks in in high gear, precisely because this is the specific context it emerged to counter. In other words, it’s specifically evolved to offset male power, to counterbalance male power, by forging solidarity between females who otherwise would not have any reason to act like a sisterhood (and who may even dislike each other).
Contemporary feminism is perhaps the most obvious form of this, but it isn’t the only one. The pronounced female in-group preference is another easy to spot one as well. But in any case, a key point to understand is that the sisterhood isn’t neutral — it’s evolved to counterbalance any kind of male power that threatens women’s interests as a group. This is the case even though women haven’t lived in patrilocal conditions for a long, long, long time, and even though contemporary men have no solidarity to speak of at all which could possibly threaten women’s interest as a group. That evolutionary history casts long shadows, and the tendency for women to see men as a cabal acting to control women — when in fact, as we all know, we’re kind of the exact opposite of that — arises from the collective evolutionary memory of adaptations to deal with the very real male solidarity females faced when they were imported into patrilocal male tribes of kin-bonded males.
SFC
“The problem is the propaganda, indoctrination and pit right society wide dis-information campaign that keeps your average dude from operating in reality. ‘
How do you go about pointing that out?
“if you go in knowing this is going to happen, and just enjoy the shit out of every moment, how can whatever happens be bad? ”
Platinum Rule mindset…
Hypergamy can’t be “beat”… but it can be joined.
“Hypergamy can’t be “beat”… but it can be joined.”
Hypergamy is a component of the species sexual strategy. To destroy, or sufficiently distort, the species sexual strategy is to destroy the species.
@M Simon
“I believe “rocker clubs” translates into “biker bars” in the US.”
Well, I didn’t actually think about a bar when writing this. You are right that I’m not from the states and where I’m from, rockers hang out in sort of clubs – a house they own and party in and where people invited (typically hang arounds, other brothers and young, pretty and stupid girls) can come and get a little taste of the sweet life and propably a lot more.
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“Today we witnessed the worst case scenario. Thankful to see the stoke of his last wave [pictured here] and that’s how I’ll always remember this kid. RIP, Zander Venezia.” – Jimmy Wilson
http://stabmag.com/news/a-death-in-barbados-zander-venezia/
Zander – 16YO – on his next to last wave. He was killed shortly thereafter by doing something he derived no legal benefits from but nevertheless pursued in an dynamic, passionate and authentic fashion.
If i were his dad, I’d miss the fuck out of him but still be proud and smile inside that he did what he wanted to do and pushed himself.
#masculinity
if a man steps back far enough to take a very broad view and if he leaves behind his personal “poor me that big meanie girl hurt my feelings” he’ll see some incredible shit; This is the critique du jour of Purple Pill ‘life coaches’ these days. Analyzing, questioning and relating info about Hypergamy, the FI, really anything unflattering to the feminine, is met with the presumption that the man doing so is bitter and feels like a victim. This is a coward’s way of silencing truths via shame; shame is a woman’s default response when she has no real… Read more »
Meanwhile
https://www.instagram.com/p/BYd91jfguKs
An old legend and a young legend pursue an alternate reality previously the domain of idle daydreams…
68 YO Gerry Lopez…
https://www.instagram.com/p/BXQutf-je70
what?
http://www.volcom.co.id/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/marquee-volcom-pipe-pro-red-bull-tv-in-house-road-to-the-volcom-pipe-pro-volcom-pipe-house.jpg
His backyard, back in the 1970’s…
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVgP5TCDIps
Apple and tree…
“This fundamental prioritizing of the survival, needs and best interests of women as a collective is what now forms the basis of, and drives, what I commonly refer to as the Feminine Imperative. And from the Feminine Imperative, combined with a male-permissive social structure that has allowed for women’s social primacy, we have largely developed into a feminine-primary social order that is founded on the evolved, collectivist social structure that women’s mental firmware naturally predisposes them to. Collectivism, socialism, is a fundamental aspect of the female psyche. In a social order that prioritizes female interests above all else we see… Read more »
In books on raising girls, I have learned about the “leveling effect”, which is a natural female phenomena of enforcing a common standard or level of whatever standard, practice or belief the group deems appropriate. In RP terms this would be the crab-bucket mentality. The leveling effect explains why girls engage in non-competitive play or take turns winning and have similar interest cliques. Conform or be cast out of the clique, as everyone in the group is at the same level. Taking this innate belief in a leveling and expressing it outward onto the masses is collectivist thinking. When that… Read more »
“The Bolsheviks let feminism run riot in the 1920’s, then had to resort to extraordinary efforts to rein it back in. ” Pinolero How was this done? Brutally. Heavily. The USSR was a police state run by Stalin. Divorce law was changed by a stroke of the pen, ditto limits on abortions. State controlled newspapers, radio, film, etc. all could change message in a matter of days, and did. Police could beat people up with impunity, and Siberian labor camps were always another option. Women are herd creatures, when they are told by all sides that divorce is bad, stable… Read more »
SJB
Perhaps the questions you pose are uninteresting.
Or perhaps you aren’t up to answering them because they step on a toe or two?
Rollo
“shame is a woman’s default response when she has no real counterargument to those observations. The message is “only a bitter misogynist with a victim’s mentality would ever write about the nature of women” so shut up.”
I grew up with this a lot in a context of faith and family.
http://comicsalliance.com/files/2016/06/gonetotexas-02.jpg
pinelero
“When that collectivist mindset is intolerant of those that don’t want to be on the groups level, then we are slowly sinking into a self-righteous fascism of the FI.”
“Sentient”
Zander – 16YO – on his next to last wave. He was killed shortly thereafter by doing something he derived no legal benefits from but nevertheless pursued in an dynamic, passionate and authentic fashion.
Loser in the genetic sweepstakes. Maybe Dynamic, Passionate and Authentic, but still loser.
SJB
It was not specifically a lecture on intersexual dynamics but a talk on the rise of human consciousness; viewing the excerpt and then reading the succeeding paragraphs are a non sequitur in the fine points.
That would be a great point if you were writing Rollo’s blog for him, instead of carping at him and attempting to troll others in a disingenuous and dishonest fashion.
Does Andrea Yates belong in jail or not? Why does this question scare you?
walawala In my Latin dance class, it’s suddenly become fashionable or “cool” for women to dance with other women. Shit test by the lead mare of the herd, followed by the rest of the herd? Who teaches this class, and are they charging money for it or is it a freebie at some community center? Because the salsa teacher I know (from P.R., Blax) would not put up with that, he’d be very smooth but insist on standard pairings. Because he charges for classes, he can’t afford to chase off customers. Again, shit test in progress? But here’s the irony…they… Read more »
https://www.reddit.com/r/uncensorednews/comments/6yn283/removed_by_rnews_mods_12yearold_boy_who/?ref=share&ref_source=link
http://cdn.lightgalleries.net/561bb0fa66997/images/_L1B1226-1.jpg
Leveling or competition?
AR
Loser in the genetic sweepstakes. Maybe Dynamic, Passionate and Authentic, but still loser.
You’re saying you didn’t have sex when you were a 16 YO surfer…?
Speaking of silencing truths by shame, what do ya’ll make of this?
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/10/the-first-white-president-ta-nehisi-coates/537909/
fleezer i’m starting to believe in the “inherent goodness” of the female psyche. if a man steps back far enough to take a very broad view and if he leaves behind his personal “poor me that big meanie girl hurt my feelings” he’ll see some incredible shit; Rollo already pointed out the purple pill aspect. Keep that in mind. It’s all cool that you have achieved this great mountain-top view, although it looks sorta like Andy’s last message to us. But you basically are saying “It’s great to be in the 20%, every man should try it” which ignores reality.… Read more »
me
Loser in the genetic sweepstakes. Maybe Dynamic, Passionate and Authentic, but still loser.
“Sentient”
You’re saying you didn’t have sex when you were a 16 YO surfer…?
LOL, that’s so weak it’s not worth the trouble. Try harder.
AR How are your Nutz these days? Are they drained? You seem very irritable on this whole thread… really, calling a freshly dead 16YO prodigy a “loser” because you have no idea weather the young rising star has had sex with a woman or not, is bizarre behavior. Cunty even… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZSH7NMKdPQ You go Zander… Are you saying that every guy here who does not know if he has a kid is a loser? what an odd duck… Now… I have 5 kids (known) so I’ll lol all the same… Having surfed through high school, and college, and early 20s in… Read more »
Anonymous Reader
September 5, 2017 at 11:15 am
Do not conflate bodies with philosophy. There are many in a man’s body with a woman’s philosophy. And also the reverse.
Sentient How are your Nutz these days? Are they drained Doing just fine. Thanks for asking. You seem very irritable on this whole thread… really, calling a freshly dead 16YO prodigy a “loser” because you have no idea weather the young rising star has had sex with a woman or not, is bizarre behavior. Cunty even… Lots of things seem bizarre to you? Ok. Don’t understand how biology works anymore? Ok. Too stiffnecked to admit when you are wrong? LOL, same old “Sentient” with the ironic handle. Praising a 16 YO surfer for taking a stupid chance and getting killed… Read more »
M Simon
Do not conflate bodies with philosophy. There are many in a man’s body with a woman’s philosophy. And also the reverse.
Yeah….no. Hate science all you want, but…no.
However, if you are planning to go trans, go right on ahead and make the transition.
couldn’t finish the article, Nudiam0ndz; too much entitlement, blame and bias; and the vitriolic tone means it was meant to only preach to the choir and garner atta-girls from the echo chamber, not present a reasoned argument to whatever the fucking point was
I could almost see the rage-spittle on the screen from her blame-the-white-guy screed in which every little action or word is viewed as a slight against….. fucking everything there was, is, or ever will be lol
in fact, the same style is often used here on this site; a whole lotta guesswork dressed up as fact
“couldn’t finish the article, Nudiam0ndz;”
Stephen King has mentioned that in his estimation the first line to a work is the most important. He can spend weeks, months, even years thinking about that one first line.
Here is the first line to that article:
“IT IS INSUFFICIENT TO STATE the obvious of Donald Trump: that he is a white man who would not be president were it not for this fact.”
The first sentence tells me everything I need to know. No need to read beyond that.
And Nudia, I remember you.
AR
“No, but I don’t expect you to be smart enough or “sentient” enough to understand anything too abstract. ”
Abstract? So one guy you claim is a loser because he didn’t reproduce, but other guys who don’t arent?
Well you win the abstract logic award. And the cranky pants award. Lol.
anon – I got about a third of it before realizing my life’s time is worth more; at one time I thought ‘The Atlantic’ a reputable rag…. is it under new management? funny thing to me is that for all the talk of being currently oppressed by citing shit hundreds of years ago, if an article with similar tone and hate were to be written anti-anti-white, it would treated much differently; that’s prolly the white guy’s fault, too
@ AR ” Praising a 16 YO surfer for taking a stupid chance and getting killed seems frankly stupid and obnoxious to me. Cunty, even. Maybe in part because some friends of mine buried their college aged son a year or so back. But it’s ok, you just go on celebrating some other family losing their son. That “I got mine, sux to be you” attitude of yours likely will bite you someday, “Sentient”. “ I got a feeling I should mind my own business – but I have a take on this that I’ll just toss out there. I… Read more »
“I believe there is a distinct difference in losing your life while doing something you love to do, opposed to dying in a car accident randomly, or as one of my high school friends did – accidently hitting high tension electricity lines with a long length of irrigation piping.”
I know a number of young men who lost their lives doing “what they love” also.
There’s a spectrum.
At one end of the spectrum we have “Jackass” and/or perhaps the Darwin award.
The other end is a life that might be long, but un-lived.
This swinging of the pendulum between the sexual strategies is what has resulted in this:
Yup…
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So there’s a kind of hypernormalization of collectivist absurdity in things like safe spaces, fat acceptance, etc…but how does the future really look for this movement? Will organic, evolved nature of mankind revert, or, has it started already?
I enjoy watching Dr. Peterson, especially because he’s against the SJW endemic- but I also realised the pedestalization inherent in his approach sometimes…I guess it’s unavoidable.
koba – now there’s a dude who better not skip leg day lol
@drzipper: 😂😂😂 Ain’t that the truth brother!!!
Having a son die at 16 is tragic and a hit to your genetic legacy
Which is why, if you are a man who cares for such a thing, you spawn a platoon full of them
As for me, I salute young Zander. Eddie went. So did Zander.
Nations is just an example (it is true that many of them are just post-colonial inventions). What I meant is that the individualism of libertarians is too extreme, and too naive as well. I fully get that you should put yourself first, and in fact I think I am one of those people who have a so-called “dismissive-avoidant” personality. I have flirted with libertarianism in the past. However I think that your environment matters greatly. I think that collectivism is about acknowledging this. In other words, you can never just be “let alone”. Contra Thatcher, society is real. This is… Read more »
“left alone”, sorry
From: RM_599_Mitch RP_C7 {{split}} {{Pause=1.00}} IRL September 3 {{Pause=1.00}} 3:15 pm {{Pause=1.00}} Such a good thread. I’m just catching up and the quality & number of thought provoking comments is gold. I’m going to re-evaluate quite a few things in my life, I kid you not. Thanks to new commenters too, keep posting guys. But… how do you all find time to be up to speed with TRM you fuckers?! {{Pause=0.50}}spoken to,{{Pause=0.50}}Rollo, thanks for this space. I think that’s your biggest achievement sir. Hat tip. {{split}} {{Pause=1.00}} SFC Ton September 3 {{Pause=1.00}} 3:48 pm {{Pause=1.00}} I don’t watch tv etc… Read more »
IIF – there are ways (free apps) to strip the header/metadata from mp3 files; just pass them thru it and then the files themselves won’t point back to you; you’ll also have to put some sort of anonymizing layer between your box and wherever you’re uploading them to; and of course, the destination can’t point back to you, like if you use some sort of cloud storage or similar situation in which you have an ‘account’
other than that, you’re good
@fleezer This world is great for guys like you, party animals. I never dig parties too much. I remember when I was a kid and read history books: I was always grateful for living in this age, with all our inventions and stuff. I wanted to reach 100 years old, at least. This is a great age for kids, maybe so good that too many are spoilt (not my case). But for adults, particularly men? Not sold on that one. And I doubt women are happier now. Maybe the more promiscous ones, who knows. Anyways, this is the world we… Read more »
An unapologetic Exceptionalist.
#masculinity
@Oscar
I think that you see people as a detriment–an energy drain. People can connect you to opportunities–I see acquaintances as an asset. Ask people to do things for you–even strangers that you just met. Ask them the time or where the best parties are or something related to your culture that they can help you with. Maybe the best book they’ve read this year or the best bar or the best restaurant in the Antilles, etc.
@Oscar I’m quite surprised by Fleezer’s Positivistic, non-Nihilistic rant last night. And I totally endorse it. There is a guy who knows himself well, knows his purpose, and lives out on his edge with authenticity. And as to ASDgamer’s advice, I cosign that too. As a former Introvert only, I recognize that introverts get energy depleted by socializing (either in groups or in one-on-one relationships). Extroverts derive and gain energy from socializing. Yes. You are an introvert. And you need to re-charge your batteries after socializing. You have to recognize that need and calibrate while socializing. And you need to… Read more »
JP represents everything that is wrong with the west. Very bright minds; but with a tolerant/forgiving, almost subservient attitude to what’s wrong with the FI. Whether this is done consciously to avoid backlash from society or unconsciously from a mind brainwashed by the FI, I don’t know. Still even in the third world where I come from, I have watched very bright colleagues make blunders with their approach to the opposite sex that even a high school boy never make. I am tempted to think lower IQ insulates one from FI. May be the reason why the typical thug/gangster type… Read more »
It’s Thursday…. @ Oscar Life is absolutely wonderful. It’s a fact. “This world is great for guys like you, party animals. I never dig parties too much. “ I say don’t ever be quick to eschew that which you don’t care for… like parties. Parties are the shit!!! Lol. Ask yourself, since you are definitely inquisitive – ” why do so many people have so much ‘fun” at parties”?. What do they know or feel that you don’t? And more importantly WHY? “I remember when I was a kid and read history books: I was always grateful for living in… Read more »
Oh… pic fail
There. That’s better.
cheupez
” May be the reason why the typical thug/gangster type fella who was never the sharpest tool in the box in his school days slays pussy is simply because pussy can not be reasoned with, and his reasoning wanting already. Perfect fit.”
Don’t know any thug/gangsters do ya?
Lol.
IQ, low or high, won’t save anyone from the FI. It’s not about that at all.
I’m not sure how you can say J.B.P. is tolerant/forgiving, and has a subservient attitude to what’s wrong with the FI. His war against SJW’s is an example of that. And he is the first one to say I.Q. (otherwise known as intelligence) has no correlation whatsoever to do with Wisdom. I say: so what if he is blue pill? (The guy has his own purpose and mission. His wisdom can easily be translated into Red Pill with a flexible mindset.) Give me some truth and knowledge and I can start my own Red Pill engine. One good thing is… Read more »
To expand a little bit on cheupez’s assertion ” …and his reasoning wanting already….” Tough guys that I was exposed to growing up ( not posers, but real bad asses ) were not low IQ nor did they lack reasoning. people that say shit like that don’t know what they are talking about. That’s like me pontificating on the workings of Chinese politics. I’ll be more wrong than right. The guys in question don’t lack reasoning. It’s just that their reasoning isn’t clouded by bullshit and the first inclinations don’t lean towards ” what’s socially acceptable “. They reason just… Read more »
RE: Blax Post 09/07 6:06pm “A form of adaptation” guy holding dumbbell Picture
Is it just me or does it look like a pair of baby arms reaching into his jeans?
“Too much reasoning will fuck you all up.” It most certainly will. http://www.ericfordh.com/t-20090303 https://rianstonept.blogspot.com/2017/01/action-reflects-thoughts-do-more-and.html And too much posting of ‘fat chicks doing yoga’ (Kobayashi at dinnertime in the U.S.A.) and Rollo tweeting about “The firsts among women” in Time Magazine (half of which were cute–profession wise– and half of which were puke worthy– late this evening in the east, could really interfere with one’s digestion. As In the light of a Male Space essay by Rollo. Both the meat loaf and sweet potato dinner and the late evening snack of olives and yellow-on-the-inside-watermelon I tried to keep down late went… Read more »
Thugs and IQ
There are crash test dummies
Mid level managers
Shot callers
If all you have ever ran into are the crash test dummies, then yeah you are going to think they are low IQ.
Most of the mid level manager types will down play their intelligence to just about everyone but the shot callers. Which is not to say they are all secret geniuses but misdirection goes a long way in the game
Shot callers? They ain’t making money by being dumb
@Anonymous Reader lecturing students only turns them off… Chicks dancing with chicks is a statement on the bigger problem of men not leading. But often you find Teo types of girls who do his: old ugly lesbos mostly but slim hotties who want to show they don’t need a man or want to emasculate men who don’t measure up to their level. I usually ignore both groups and chose girls who truly want to give something to the dance. But this little niche community serves as a microcosm of society as a whole. The worst are the orbiters who dance… Read more »
It is still a man’s journey to fight through resistance and get to release. I was listening to Van Morrison’s Rough God Goes Riding at bedtime: Lyrics: Oh the mud splattered victims Have to pay out all along the ancient highway Torn between half truth and victimization Fighting back with counter attacks It’s when that rough god goes riding When the rough god goes gliding And then rough god goes riding Riding on in I was flabbergasted by the headlines People in glasshouses throwing stones Gaping wounds that will never heal Now they’re moaning like a dog in a manger… Read more »
“There must be cooperation between your gut and your brain. This is a big part of masculinity.”
Yep. At that moment when your heart sings and your mind rubs is hands with glee.
The motto of Reality Transurfing.
Inner desire, and inner intention can’t match the outward intention and Action that is masculinity.
The weights can’t be lifted by wanting, they get lifted by outward intention and Action.
Whenever the word IQ comes up in a conversation it is almost unavoidable to spark off defensive posturing. I will abandon it for “book smarts”. Let me say that Westerners tend to have “book smarts”. Not many thug/gangster types in the Nobel laureate list. I must however admit “Street smarts” is another game.
Legit Cheupez plus we tend to over value book smarts
Tend to over value, under value everything but nook smarts too
Hey @Anonymous Reader, you are to be commended for your creative conjecture as well as your zealous it-might-be-heresy hunting. Every man has his hobbies.
To release your obsession: Andrea Yates — don’t know her ergo don’t give a fuck.
Burden of performance
@cheupez: I am tempted to think lower IQ insulates one from FI. May be the reason why the typical thug/gangster type fella who was never the sharpest tool in the box in his school days slays pussy is simply because pussy can not be reasoned with, and his reasoning wanting already. Perfect fit. Very thought provoking as other responses to your comment indicate. There is, in your observation, the implication that intelligence is somewhat dysgenic. If that is true, and I really am just wondering, what would be the adaptations to counteract intelligence? Good stuff to think about today. Thanks.… Read more »
I can answer and post a FR, all together. Went out last night. My town is getting active again after the long summer slumber, with lots of foreign students arriving. I got to practice some German and French with them, both men and women. I have some numbers now I hope I can work with. I did tons of approaches. My usual “ask for a light” routine (gotta get careful with that since I had bad breath due to the smoke towards the end of the night lol) and then plowing for as long as I can. I also opened… Read more »
The money question is:
do we need sex that much that not getting it drives us to depression, or do we get depressed because we see others “get theirs” while we don’t (all while living 24/7 in a giant sexual psy-op, courtesy of corporate America)?
Oscar There is the formula of a “dynamic, authentic, and passionate” life thrown around. Well, you can have all those three things and still not get laid. I have first-hand experience. Alpha is attractive to women. The Alpha Triad qualities (dynamic, passionate and authentic) are its irreducible elements. What you do with that attraction is another matter. “Game” is the female language of seduction – it is a spoken and physical language. “Naturals” are those who learned to speak this from their environment growing up – to a greater or lessor degree of fluency – as any language. You are… Read more »
“Legit Cheupez plus we tend to over value book smarts”
Any idiot can acquire book smarts. Intelligence is pattern recognition and problem solving.
Idiots cannot acquire book smarts. Deriving mathematical functions that describe atomic orbitals is not your every tom dick n harry cup of tea. It takes one with a minimum level of processing power to grasp some concepts.
Kfg
Right on. And acting don’t hurt either.
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I have tried to teach someone who was sufficiently idiot that they could not grasp the simple idea of Cartesian coordinates, but the point is that there are many who can pass a calculus test and yet never have any idea what to do with the calculus other than pass tests.
They may obtain degrees and yet lack any aspect of the Eureka! in them.
Oscar I like to plan ahead, to have things under control, to set objectives. Not in an overly fastidious way, but yeah, I just don’t “live for the moment”, I think long-term. Sex is basically throwing a wrench into that all the time. I can see how some men might like that randomness -the natural womanizers I suppose- but it is quite distressing for me. A test of your game… based on a similar, real life example. You are strutting down the street one morning. Looking good, feeling good. As you are walking towards a house a woman comes out.… Read more »
@Sentient
Not all the way though, she leaves it open 3 inches…
I wouldn’t have noticed that she left it open 3 inches…ASD thing…now I know to look for it…typicals can easily notice something like that without having to look for it.
You still need an opener that gives plausible deniability. What would be your opener?
“You still need an opener that gives plausible deniability. ”
Why?
It’s how social stuff works. By holding her gaze, you demonstrated value. By noticing the open door, you showed awareness and isolated her. But you still have to pass her shit tests, which means that you still have to talk to her, which means that you still have to open her. And you need to make sure that her ASD doesn’t perk up, so you need plausible deniability. She could have 2nd thoughts when a stranger comes through her door. My ASD computer came up with the answer and now you ask me to work back the logic. I knew… Read more »
So what’s your opener?
Your ASD computer is AI… kfg just explained what intelligence is.
@Sentient
Your ASD computer is AI
It’s biologically hard-wired. What’s your opener?
Lol. The door.
Now, knowing all this, I would enter the house, or say something before she re-entered it.
Years ago, I would not have said anything. I suppose most men would not as well.
@ Oscar My positive view of life was formed in my late teens through early twenties. I admit that as I got older, that view was reinforced and solidified more because it was proven over decades of experience. I don’t particularly care for stress and struggle, but I recognized that it’s a part of life so the best course of action is to understand the stresses and overcome any struggles and keep moving forward. By the time you’ve reached my age, you shouldn’t remain mired in stress. You must figure things out. Stress motivates ( or should motivate ) and… Read more »
@Sentient “What do you do?” I’d go in. She’d probably say with a fake shocked expression, “what are you doing here?” I’d smile and go “your a dirty girl you know that” remove her bathrobe and have my way with her. Reminded me of a fantasy one of the female readers described in My Secret Garden: “When I masturbate, I have a recurring “daydream” of a salesman approaching a lovely white cottage on a beach and finding the door partly open. He calls and, getting no answer, wanders through all the rooms looking for some Sign of occupancy. Finally he… Read more »
But yeah, theasd is right. Some opener is needed. And I think that sometimes you do need to “sweat the opener” a bit.
Oscar
But yeah, theasd is right. Some opener is needed. And I think that sometimes you do need to “sweat the opener” a bit.
Nope… You don’t need to say anything at all unless and until she says something. and even that is going to be cursory. This is what “just getting it” looks like and she already said everything in her Cat-o-nese… You are way way deep in the game at this point, “opening” and all that is going backwards.
“Your ASD computer is AI… kfg just explained what intelligence is.”
mmmmm….. tasty
@Sentient: Indeed. Walk in the door; take the newspaper and sit. Tell her to get you a cup of coffee. If she’s prompt give her a pat on the bottom. If she’s prompt and loosens the robe a bit more give her a tip.
Of course approaching the door depends on the dalliance time built into your day’s schedule.
Plausible deniability? Of what? Manhood? Lol.
Opener?
Well, ” good morning “.
There were two IOIs…the lazering and the open door (bit of an assumption…could be the door isn’t square with the frame)…call it 1+ IOIs…you need a 3rd IOI…like she dropped something for you to return to her…cuz she will if she REALLY wants your dick …as long as you are Ok with chasing and maybe getting chased off, could work with some girls…but you might be misreading… …YaReally always said, 3 IOIs and you go for the kiss…(but you never French)…in this case, you needed 3 IOIs to go through the door…@Blax you’re open to a charge of criminal trespass…1+… Read more »
@Blax When I was a kid I was fat, wore tracksuits only, and did little exercise. I was happy, and I did have a zfg attitude of sorts, I can see it now. I also distinctly recall liking myself as I was. Surely memories are a bit rose-tinted and there were bad moments I subconsciously erase, but still: it beats my current predicament hands-down, precisely when I am doing the exact opposite. And the reason is simple: women have entered the picture as objects of sexual desire. Being masculine is not enough. It is surely a prerequisite, but it is… Read more »
In the last link Xsplat posits a theory in which “self-esteem” is nothing but a personal reading of you “social esteem”. I think there is some merit to it. You can be tough but never entirely self-sufficient.
Blaximus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOKL9u1aRo0 COURAGE – ÁRÆÐI Aræði is defined as more than just courage. It has an element of boldness, of being dangerous and daring, and also willing to attack. Without the aspect of bravery often associated with not thinking straight, and thus, not having control over oneself. We brave and endure difficulties, danger, pain, and duress. We overcome our fears. We act with courage and sometimes bravery. We do what is right even in the face of adversity. HONOR – HEIÐR Heiðr goes beyond the simple modern concept of honor, as it directly links honor to self-worth, and thus, makes… Read more »
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ASD “There were two IOIs” That you saw… “could be the door isn’t square with the frame” Perfect example of autism… Thank you. “but you might be misreading” The more you do, the more cat-o-nese you learn from doing, the less you misread. “Blax you’re open to a charge of criminal trespass” the fear is strong. “way too much for a newbie like Oscar to figure out” hence the example. “you can always open based on the landscaping…”Hello, good morning…I have a garden and I couldn’t help noticing your azaleas and I have a question.”” If you are a gay… Read more »
@Oscar… the kissing and hugging is one aspect of Latin culture that really appeals to me. It is ironic though despite all the touching there is so much of that but beyond the extended family unit there is not much general societal trust .
@ ASD
Lol. Man I have instances/ field reports where I suffered many nuclear detonations. Many of them. All part of the game. Every so often the bunny rabbit has a machete and a bad disposition.
What if she came out and said “I could use a good fuck”?
“Customers say my “good” is fantastic.”
“Oh?”
“Coffee, cream, no sugar.”
@Oscar “At the end of the day you are a fucking salesman. That’s what I hate god damnit. Having to sell myself. ”
“That’s what I hate god damnit. Having to sell myself.”
The world has provided you with everything you need for the taking. Do not be so ungracious as to rebuke it for not making deliveries.
@ Oscar Another way to look at things – you’re not a salesman as much as you are representing/presenting/projecting who you are. This can be accomplished without regard to being introverted or extroverted. And life is filled with duality. Not a real problem. When I was a kid, I was woefully skinny. Ethiopian refugee skinny. I had the striking physique of a lollipop. I had normal or even a higher degree of muscularity, and I was exceptionally strong, but my body fat percentage had to be in the low single digits. Coming from a family of giant, muscular men, the… Read more »
Damn Blax
all of that constant praise and attention made me extremely uncomfortable and self conscience. I just wanted people to keep their opinions to themselves.
Old ladies used to ask if I was a girl because I was beautiful. No boy wants to hear shit like that.
I was labelled as ‘ shy ‘ by people around me, but I didn’t talk if I didn’t have anything to say. I wasn’t shy.
Raises hand on all three…
Opener?
https://youtu.be/IHDv-fgPRfo
I prefer hey darling but don’t make this shit complex. Your cock is the greatest gift she can ever receive.
“Raises hand on all three…”
I can’t claim the beautiful, but people used to joke that if I had been born in another time and place they would have made a castrato out of me to preserve my beautiful soprano.