Mitch’s Red Pill

With apologies to my regular readers and commentariat, I’m mid-stream through crafting my next essay and what do I see in the comment feed from last week’s post? Our (our soon to be formerly) Purple Pill friend Mitch returning to give us all an update on what was supposed to be his inevitable married bliss. Rather than allow Mitch’s saga get buried under pages of comments I thought I’d post the continuation of his in-progress unplugging here for others to benefit from. Be sure you read the first case study before you dig into his update below:

Hello Gentlemen,

It’s good to be back here reading your insightful, intelligent, funny, actionable posts. I’ve been away for awhile. Glad to see Rollo’s blog and books doing so well. Congratulations sir, and I sincerely thank you from the bottom of my purple-but-slowly-turning-red heart for your work. I am now eating my previous words about this being ideological and cult-like. lol. Some might remember that I was the eponymous subject of one of Rollo’s posts on purple pill, and the ensuing discussion about whether I was setting myself up for slaughter in marrying a Ukrainian I’d met online. I (basically) said I’m a big boy now at 50, and know what I’m doing with women, and would let ya’ll know how it worked out. Not that anyone gives a rat’s ass after all my bullshit, but whatever, here I am.

Funny thing is that I’d been thinking about posting this update a few days ago, after reconnecting with TRM blog, and I would have said something along the lines of: she has been here almost 9 months, we been married for 5, going reasonably well, regular and enjoyable sex, she cooks everything from scratch and takes good care of me and the house; she’s diligently studying english, meeting people, etc, seems mostly happy; without fail she packs my lunch every night – once she woke up at about 1 am and remembered she had not made my lunch for work next day, and even though I told her not to worry about it, she got up, and went downstairs and *cooked* me lunch. Her responsibility, she said. She also genuinely likes me, and is very loving and affectionate and passionate in bed. We’ve had some conflict, and I’ve mostly held my ground, but made some fairly key concessions in the spirit of playing fair (since she has, in actuality at this point, zero leverage in this relationship), and accommodating her wants and needs.

And hypergamy doesn’t give a fuck.

Lo and behold, yesterday the computer is open and I see a ‘Hi’ come across the screen from Skype from a male. Open the Skype window and she’s been chatting with this dude from New Hampshire or some shit, not long, but the kind of bare bones swapping of details – the guy’s on hunt for a wife, and she’s asking about the size of his town, and what’s the weather like, how many kids, etc. As the blood drains from my face, the veil parts, I see it for what it is, and I realize without a shadow of a doubt, this shit is real. Complete with the subsequent hamstering and total lack of accountability following.

I don’t believe she was actually interacting with this guy with any conscious intent to find someone else, but clearly she thinks about it, and is willing to “play” with the idea, even at a time when she has sooo much to lose. I could withdraw my petition to get her a green card in two seconds, and she’s done. I think she was/is bored and enjoys the attention and validation, and sense of (diminishing) power that she has over men.

So now I need to figure out what to do. i am beyond grateful for Rollo’s work, this blog, and forum, and having internalized RP to the limited extent that I have, and know I need to do A LOT more. It’s pretty humbling to be 50 and need to be totally schooled in something so basic. It’s fricking amazing that I have managed to hide myself from this knowledge for so long.

Thank you.

[…]

I meant to also say that I have learned a ton from you guys, and really appreciate the time and energy that many of you spent last fall trying to get me to get my head out of my ass. What can I say, I need to learn the hard way. Truth is, though, you guys were so vehement about it, that it definitely helped me to keep myself in reserve and react a bit more strategically to her.

Just to preface here, my intent isn’t to be cruel or pop of with ‘I todja so’, but I think it’s very important for guys in the various stages of unplugging to see Mitch’s situation as a clinical example. I’m not trying to flame you or pillory you Mitch, but your situation does serve as a good example.

As I mentioned in the first post about Mitch, there is a visceral desire on the part of Purple Pill men to force fit the parts of Red Pill awareness into Blue Pill idealisms and personal convictions because they simple cannot face the abyss of what a full Red Pill awareness presents to the belief set that the Blue Pill has conditioned them for. It is truly awful to be confronted with unflattering truths about the nature of women as well as a man’s coming to realize he’s got to drop all of his previous idealism and create a new, positive, paradigm for himself based on Red Pill awareness. For a lot of men inured by the Blue Pill it’s just too horrible to let go of those hopes based in a false awareness of their experience.

Thus, we get tropes like “well, the Red Pill is true, but it’s okay to have ONEitis for a girl because my new awareness insulates me from the worst effects of it.” Mitch even began his first entreaty by claiming this woman was “the ONE.”

I’d like to encourage men who still want a good wife to look East. As in, Russia, Ukraine and other former USSR counties. I cannot begin to tell you how encouraged and revitalized I am by this woman I met – and by most of the women I met and interacted with before I found “the One.

Shades of Purple

I’m beginning to see that there are two varieties of Purple Pill men; the first is the guy whose revenue and wellbeing depends on his only accepting what the Red Pill presents to him in half-measure. These are the Man-Up, do the right thing moralists who only ever marginally warn against the nature of women while believing that the self-improvement imperative that the Red Pill represents to men will more than compensate for the very real dangers of a man not fully killing his inner Beta. These are usually the guys who at one time were solidly Red Pill and used that awareness to their personal benefit with women (and life), but at some stage their life’s circumstance demanded that they “change their ways” and shift back to believing that Blue Pill ideals can be had with Red Pill means. These are the men who follow The Script.

The second type of Purple Pill man is the one who never fully unplugged. I believe this was where Mitch was when I outlined his situation in the first essay. There is a certain class of men who simply cannot ignore the truths that the Red Pill presents to them, and they eagerly endorse the tenets and the understanding of women’s visceral natures. Hypergamy doesn’t care, they get the dynamics of Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks, they even believe they’ve come to terms with their own (often Beta) nature and what it is they believe is necessary to effect a change in their lives; yet there are aspects of that Red Pill awareness that they desperately want to reconcile with their long-held Blue Pill idealistic hopes. So, as a result, they attempt to discard or ignore whatever aspect of the Red Pill that isn’t conducive to making those old Blue Pill dreams come true.

For as long as I’ve been writing in the Manosphere I’ve always made a point of telling men never to use my marriage (or other Red Pill married men’s marriages) as some kind of template or goal to be had with Red Pill awareness. I realize that my own Red Pill marriage seems like some ideal to strive for, but what I think most unmarried single men need to consider is that, for the vast majority of men who’ve been able to unplug, remake themselves and employ an internalized understanding of Red Pill awareness within their marriages and in their families, these men do so in spite of themselves.

Very few men I know of, whom I’d say are Red Pill aware husbands and fathers, did not set out to be so. I have no doubt that in the future I’ll encounter men who were formerly Blue Pill and Beta who changed themselves, unplugged, became Red Pill aware, internalized it and used it to enter into a marriage wherein his Frame was always the primary and his wife intrinsically recognized it and was attracted to him because of it. I do hope this is eventually the case for some men, but as it stands now, the far more common occurrence is the Blue Pill, Beta husband who was “awakened while married” and turned his marriage back from the brink – if indeed that is the case at all. Even more commonly it is divorced men put through the ringer who unplugged post-divorce.

As I mentioned in the first case study about Mitch is his story is engaging because it so faithfully follows the progression of rationales Purple Pill men will use in order to hold fast to their old, comfortable mindset – in this case it’s the Blue Pill dream of an idyllic marriage had through Red Pill means.

One danger I think should be apparent to Red Pill men having to deal with a Purple Pill guy who’s hostile and resistant to what they’re trying to tell him is the potential disaster a Purple Pill man is setting himself up for in his inability to really stare at the abyss, work through the anger and hopelessness, and then recreate himself. This, I feel, is where that resistance stems from. It’s not so much an inability to acknowledge the truth of what real Red Pill intersexual dynamics is showing him, but rather how he will internalize, process and use that to create a better life for himself. So you get anger, not at the message as much as the messenger, when you tell him his sincere hopes are based on a Blue Pill interpretation of what a ‘good marriage’ is:

Lol…you guys can go fuck yourselves. I appreciate where ya’ll are coming from, though. Trying to save me from myself. And i appreciate how naive my post must sound to a bunch of hard core red pillers like yourselves. However, I am not nearly as inexperienced with women and LTR’s as ya’ll assume. I have learned a lot from red pill in general and this site in particular – it’s very insightful and helpful, and I’ve adjusted my attitude and posture toward women because of it. At the same time, though, it strikes me that many of you are taking on red pill ideas as a kind of ideology, and that’s its own kind of danger. The absolute certainty that ya’ll think you know all you need to know about me and my woman and my relationship from that very brief post is what I mean. As if red-pill theory, or whatever it is, completely and concisely explains the total dynamic between a man and woman. Red pill explains a lot of things really well, but certainly not the totality of the mystery that is between a man a woman in a marriage.

And yet, it does and it did.

If you don’t understand what I’m talking about, then I feel sorry for you. Red pill helps me tremendously in seeing more clearly what is going on. I totally get that I am a beta provider for her, that a large part of my appeal is what I can provide, and I get that she is turned on by alpha traits. Both of these things can coexist in the same person. Understanding this and what’s behind it makes me feel less anxious and insecure about that, because I’m more clear about what to do.

Also, being a beta provider does not make me a bitch. Providing for my woman and family is a large part of what makes me a man, and I derive great satisfaction and pride in doing so.
Also, I am not in any way “settling” for a 44 yo woman. Younger women were/are available to me, but that is not what i choose.

There’s a lot more to life than fucks and bucks, but if that’s all it is for you, then this is the type of woman you will attract. In a relationship, what you get is what you are. If I can’t find a way to live with an open heart, then I don’t know what the fucking point is. But, to each his own.

So, here we are. And again, it’s hard for this not to come off as a big ‘I toldja so’, but I think it’s even more important for Red Pill men who have it in them to want to help a Blue Pill guy unplug, or hell, just to even recognize the reasons why he’s in the personal circumstances he is, to remember that the Purple Pill guy is only lashing out because he fears the totality of the truth that Red Pill awareness brings into his life. As I always say, unplugging guys from the Matrix is dirty work, but I am genuinely glad to have Mitch back on track and hopefully he’s learned something from the experience. I think other Red Pill men should adopt the same spirit of welcoming a Blue/Purple Pill prodigal son back into the fold.

So that’s my take, but please feel free to comment on Mitch’s situation in the comments thread.

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walawala
walawala
6 years ago

@Mitch you’re either trolling or hopelessly locked in a Blue Pill fantasy of finding “the one”. using familiarity with a bunch of clit lit like 50 Shades as criteria for choosing a wife….I’m shaking my head. Women are driven by biology more than external stimuli which act as temporary distractions. Hypergamy transcends familiarity with feminist literature or media. The lesson here is not to go abroad for women vs staying home….it’s about gaining enough experience with women before making a decision like the one you made. I was married. My now ex wife lied about her age when we first… Read more »

Samson
Samson
6 years ago

Man, Mitch is stubborn. So, here’s a simple approach to his problem: Why does this matter to you?

https://therationalmale.com/2013/07/18/crisis-of-motive/

Why are you Red Pilling, why are you married, why does humanity exist… the existential stuff matters.

Speaking of human existence, Rollo does not write about religion per se, but here’s that post:
https://therationalmale.com/2016/08/30/losing-my-religion/

Hopefully Mitch can find a better reason to succeed as a husband. Without serious motivation, he will continue to fail.

Marley
6 years ago

Howdy fellers. Long-time lurker, first-time commenter. I’ve been reading The Plight of Mitchell here and growing increasingly frustrated. On one hand, the guy is 50 (just a bit younger than my 59 years) and should know how to take advice without getting all butthurt and defensive. And yet… One explanation might be found in Morpheus’ dialog with the newly-unplugged Neo: “We have a rule. We never free a mind once it’s reached a certain age. It’s dangerous, the mind has trouble letting go.” I keep seeing this with Mitch. He’ll agree with something, but it’s always followed with a “yeah,… Read more »

dirka dirka
dirka dirka
6 years ago

@Marley I’ve been reading The Plight of Mitchell here and growing increasingly frustrated. On one hand, the guy is 50 (just a bit younger than my 59 years) and should know how to take advice without getting all butthurt and defensive. And yet… My feelings too. The advice here is fucking awesome, but Mitch is not ready to listen, in fact I think he is even less ready than he was a couple of days ago. He will have to learn the hard way. I feel sorry for his wife. I hope she gets her green card if she really… Read more »

Thomas
Thomas
6 years ago

K.I.S.S. = Keep it simple stupid.

Your situation is complicated.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

“kfg – Am I on Candid Camera?”

Threadwinner.

/thread closed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6nfXTk3rq4

Mitch playing Russian Roulette…

anon
anon
6 years ago

“UPDATE #2:

I’m taking her camping tomorrow for the long weekend, so I’ll be offline. Show off my mad skills.”

This is like the beginning to a novel.
Not a romance novel either.
Sorry, Mitch.

SJB
SJB
6 years ago

I’m taking her camping tomorrow for the long weekend, so I’ll be offline. Show off my mad skillz. You mean, from your MPO, it went like this in your house: Mitch: I’m out of here for a few days? The One: What? Where are you going? Mitch: I’m out of here to get some peace and quiet. The One: You’re going to leave me here? Where are you going? What can’t I come? Mitch: I want peace and quiet from the drama you brought into this house. I’ll be in the woods. The One: But can I come? Mitch: [long… Read more »

anon
anon
6 years ago

“That’s how it went down, right Mitch? You’re showing off your mad dominance skillz, right?”

She read his posts here.
There’s no recovery from this point on. Absolutely none.
Now she’s thinking of her next step.
Again, sorry Mitch.

Waffles
Waffles
6 years ago

@Marley “I still struggle with my decades of blue pill conditioning. I look back at my three failed marriages and see exactly where shit went wrong. I won’t say that red pill truths have become ingrained yet — far from it — but I sure as fuck know good advice when I hear it.” Can you elaborate on your marriages? Interested to know what happened. I am 32, just broke up with a GF of 4.5 years I thought I would marry, pretty devastating but pushing forward. I have been to about 10-15 weddings over the past 3 years and… Read more »

anon
anon
6 years ago

Here might be a helpful chart of how life works:
Competent, not an asshole> competent asshole> incompetent, not and asshole> incompetent asshole

Asshole game only works as long as the assumption remains that you might be competent. When that is gone (and that ship sailed with the reading) it’s gone.
Supplicating douche won’t work either.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Dirka

Solid stuff… Come on over to Field Reports and post game questions if you are looking to sharpen up. I am 50 and do the same thing – parachute into a city for a few days… SNL game or bust.

Here is how Tom Cruise would handle a No! Girl…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AbOZsRdS3-g

Thomas
Thomas
6 years ago

Anonymous Reader August 31, 2017 at 10:47 am Thomas Its generally a bad idea to marry a woman from another country and culture and whom you have to marry and import to your country. (It’s a challenge. One of the worst divorces I’ve seen involved a military man (Dynamic! Passionate! Authentic! Totally Blue Pill!) who imported a wife from East Asia. The package as delivered didn’t match what he thought was advertised. His Blue Pill betaization plus children led to demolition. Now, years after the divorce, he’s getting some Game. If he’d had that Game before then likely he wouldn’t… Read more »

stuffinbox
6 years ago

Mitch has given me a new hope.

My hope is they will remove my picture from the definition of numb nuts and put his up instead. things are looking pretty good,especially after he requalifies himself at being an expert mosquito slapper for three fun filled days in a row..

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Wala

Mitch’s speshul is also an alpha widow. An actual widow. Her husband was killed by the mob. Let it all sink in…

Keith
Keith
6 years ago

Thank you Rollo for the lesson. So this is what purple pill is I understand now. Purple pill is a guy who knows red pill but is trapped willfully into a blue pill life of servitude to the hustlers of dream girls and hopeful outcomes. They believe AWALT except the one they’re smashing . They believe that red pill wisdom will shield them from hypergamy. Thank you for the example Rollo

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Samson

Here is another one

“On his wedding night the groom’s Father and younger brothers are drinking. The father aks the groom ” You ready for your wedding night? You know what do do?” The groom and the brothers lear and joke. “Oh yes I know what to do hahaha” The father says “Not that… Beat the shit out of her”

Thomas
Thomas
6 years ago

After discovering TRM about 4 years ago I realized what an idiot I have been all my life. A nice guy. That means gullible in the original meaning. Then I went deep down my personal rabbit hole. Not nice to find what you think you are differs from what you actually are so much. Lots of book smarts, Illusion, and zero street smarts.

Thomas
Thomas
6 years ago

Rule number one (from Vasily Zaitzev): Approach like a motherfucker.

dr zipper
dr zipper
6 years ago

lol, candid camera…. I’m sure that reference left about anyone under 40 in the dust, maybe 45

“Purple pill is a guy who knows red pill but is trapped willfully into a blue pill life of servitude…” :: yep, keith, mitch has done a great job of being an example

another of his contributions is that his fuckery has managed to pull some high quality lurkers into the commentary, we’ll all benefit from that, too

thanks mitch, you’ve managed to bring out the best of this site…. but yourself, not so much

Mango
Mango
6 years ago

“I’m sorry”

“I left the browser on”

“You guys don’t really know me.”

“But my/her feeeeelings”

Yup, Mitch is a chick. Not a BP, PP, or gender fluid … just a Drama loving, chickenhead clucking, Beta bucking, alpha fucking chick

Has to be troll job. This could not have been scripted any better. Maybe rollo is secretly testing out a novel and Mitch is the main character?

anon
anon
6 years ago

“Maybe rollo is secretly testing out a novel and Mitch is the main character?”

Maybe. But I’m reminded of the old Mark Twain quote:
“The difference between nonfiction and fiction is that fiction must be absolutely believable.”

With the (twice) open computer, this plot line has just about overplayed its hand.

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Agent P
Agent P
6 years ago

@blaximus “Impressive list.” Thanks. When I first read about the manosphere and RP I understood that the basic history was one of men coming together and sharing data, or at least a shit ton of anecdotes, enough that they could compare notes on how things worked or didn’t with chicks. it was a giant empirical system of observation, hypothesis, field test hypotheses in many different locations,share data rinse and repeat. In short it’s based on men sharing and interrogating data to shape a picture of the world as it is, not as it should be. I always felt the Manosphere… Read more »

Keith
Keith
6 years ago

Mango. Anon. I was thinking yesterday that this is a test That Rollo is trying a pop quiz on us like a school teacher. A test to see what we the commenters and readers of the TRM have learned. But I don’t know. I’m tired of talking to Mitch trying to help him. He is a lost cause. I have never met a cop who didn’t have a cops wife for a spouse. Never met a preacher that didn’t have a perfect preachers wife for a spouse. Never met a gangster who didn’t have a gangster woman for a wife.… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

agent P Accumulating details from the daily train wrecks in the 911 section of MMSL seemed trivial at the time. Ha haha. That was hilarious that forum. And yeah, everything had to be couched in case it pissed off some of the women… Did you get banned? HABD and I did… But yeah same stories over and over and over and over. and same sappy BP guys thinking “no guys you don’t understand her like I DOOOOOo!!!!” over and over. In every single circumstance – what hundreds? – of their being smoke… yup there was fire. But Mitch is one… Read more »

Mitch
Mitch
6 years ago

I haven’t had a chance to read comments since yesterday afternoon, but I did see the words “magical thinking”. I just realized this morning as I woke up, why I have what seems like a ludicrous level of self-confidence, and why it seems like I have no idea what I’m doing. It isn’t magical thinking. But it’s true that I don’t know what I’m doing – not really. I just never learned that you should avoid making a mistake. I have never, ever learned that lesson. I talked about my dad last fall, how he was such a great dad,… Read more »

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
6 years ago

With the (twice) open computer, this plot line has just about overplayed its hand.

Jumped the shark, as the old guys say

SJB
SJB
6 years ago

She went into more detail about her fears and what she is thinking, and talked about how it makes her feel when I do x. I told her again I was sorry she had to see that, and she should refrain from looking at my posts. I also told her what I thought I was doing on this blog – (oops!!) – that I was working through my own fears, and engaging in ideas about how to be a better man for myself and for her, and how to lead this marriage better. It was her idea to “get away… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago
Mitch
Mitch
6 years ago

UPDATE #3. Wanted to get this last thing in, because of course we had sex last night, you knew we would. It was the best sex I have given her to date. Of course make-up sex is always great – the emotional release alone is fantastic. But I did something different too, that I’ve rarely been able to do during sex, and never yet with her, was that I let myself be emotionally open. Meaning only that I allowed myself to feel my feelings while I was having sex with her. I really enjoyed it. I also enjoyed pile-driving the… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Money is pouring in on the under…

newlyaloof
6 years ago

@Mitch

RE: paraphrasing your last comment:

So, your dad never gave you any advice, but he was great, so you guys need to back off with the advice to be on my dad’s level. Besides, women are SO forgiving, especially when you never apologize for fucking up because … YOU GOT THIS.

Dude, don’t be surprised if your woman starts skyping Sentient and Blaximus soon.

SJB
SJB
6 years ago

But she craves an emotional experience with you during sex more than anything.

In that you are correct yet it is not your emotions she desires. It is a relief from her emotions. The physical, emotional, and intellectual domination by a male produces a meta-emotional state: she feels but the feelz are not self-generated, ping-pong waves emanating from an unpredictable biological state.

SJB
SJB
6 years ago

Mitch: tick-borne disease is no joke; someone in their 50s is more likely to have negative secondary outcomes even if the symptoms are recognized and treated promptly.

dr zipper
dr zipper
6 years ago

here’s your answer mitch, she won’t go anywhere after you do this, and you can prolly remain as non-RP as you want:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/30/west-virginia-man-branded-woman-with-horseshoe-fork-police.html

Mango
Mango
6 years ago

What a tool. Be having “best sex ever” you have telegraphed her pussy/imperative rules over yours.

“Ahhh, that’s the beta I thought he was…. mmm pleasure, no no no, I mean RELIEF… green card is still a go.”

She called your bluff. And she won the pot.

You have never been in an elevated position if you think in war terms.

She has had you from a mountain top the whole time. Your shifting and “gaming” has all been from a valley as she watches, making her moves from an elevated position.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Mitch The real reason I looked in EE for a wife? Because Eat Pray Love and 50 Shades sold far too many copies in the US, and that shit makes me want to vomit. I’m about 99.9 percent sure my ukrainicorn hasn’t read either of those. ( reason why I’m sure having nothing to do with percentage distribution of copies sold over there ) . This explains a lot about you. Your’e stuck in the “blank slate” fallacy, believing that pure, innocent women are corrupted by bad, evil words. That is exactly wrong. Both 50 SOG and EPL were written… Read more »

Agent P
Agent P
6 years ago

@sentient. I didn’t get banned but toward the end I would make what I thought were pretty anodyne remarks from an RP perspective and I would get tagged with lots of thumbs downs and whatnot from a lot of newbie chicks. You know what it was like, you would simply cut to the quick of the situation (What are you stupid of course…) and you’d get slapped down for being a heartless asshole by the chick squad and the WK’s. In the end I pretty much just got my popcorn and would lob soft balls here and there. I was… Read more »

dirka dirka
dirka dirka
6 years ago

@Sentient Love it, yes will switch to field reports, you’re the second one to suggest that (Culum). Will do. I am a busy boy, I have time right now to work on this, had a big night just yesterday, as in, lots to report, lots to discuss. Game is everything, there is no Red Pill without game. This is Mitch’s problem, or at least one of them, he doesn’t understand the significance of game. Game is a passage to truth, and truth is the ultimate masculine virtue (the ultimate feminine value is beauty. We need both in the world, truth… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

Chicks love it when you express your feelings because then they will know that they have you by the balls.

And leave your front door open at night because open doesn’t equal vulnerable.

Waffles
Waffles
6 years ago

@Agent P “I think the instructive part of all of this, including my own “arc of RP experience” is just how hard it is to kill the BP Beta. It takes serious strength and or outright desperation to be able to so thoroughly deconstruct yourself and all of your emotional investments to be ready to build yourself back up in an RP frame. Sure we can all offer advice etc, but you really have to be ready to totally destroy yourself, your old self, to be ready to be reborn. There’s nothing easy about giving up those investments and they… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

There ya go, SJF…beta feelz. Go ahead and encourage men to run with their feelz like Ton and Blax, becuz, ya know, running with your feelz is so alpha.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

while Mitch plumbs the depths of emotion and tunes his guitar up for his camp out… another guy at Le Chateau slaps an EE girl into a frenzy… https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/08/31/a-test-of-your-game-sudden-impact/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V_hCqO6UQs lol and a westernized Russian girl gives her take… After the punching finally stopped, Anton walked up to me shirtless and sweaty, caked with blood and dirt, his arms outstretched in an unmistakable gesture of victory. But what I mistook for a smile was actually a grimace. “What were you doing talking to that guy?” he asked. “Did I tell you you could talk to him?!” Suddenly, I wished my… Read more »

dr zipper
dr zipper
6 years ago

fucking dirka, keeps whipping out walls of text with not an ounce of fat on them

Blaximus
6 years ago

Mitch… You gave your wife sex?

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

@The Peanut Gallery:

” . . . we had sex last night . . .”

There is a legal term for this: forgiveness. Any position he held is now nullified. While her position keeps getting stronger. Although it might be easier to keep him around for her GC, sacrificing him for it is now in play and the preferable option.

And having sat up and begged for that Scooby Snack, guess who’s the dog now?

anon
anon
6 years ago

Mitch, this is getting too painful to read, so I’m going to stop with this.
But, I think it’s important that you know the following:

1) What you had wasn’t make-up sex. It was an essential element in planning her next move.
2) She’s going to read all of this now. That should be obvious, no?

j
j
6 years ago

Yeah that CH post was money. I love EE chicks

Agent P
Agent P
6 years ago

@waffles “How did you push on?” At the risk of repeating myself, you go out and get lots more experience. Let me try the flip side of the argument as a thought experiment. You had a life plan of sorts, your were following the script, find a nice girl, get a decent job, get secure on your feet financially, marry said chick, buy a home, a base of operations for your life plan, have babies with new wife, live secure in your enduring love for each other, watch you kids get older and propagate themselves, live long basking in the… Read more »

theasdgamer
6 years ago

Some guys only learn in the School of Hard Knocks. Others can read and apply wisdom in real life. Wisdom is only truly learned when applied…you can’t just read it and get it.

I’m sure Mitch’s girl has a hard on for several men here. Finding TRM must have been like finding a treasure trove…so many masculine AMERICAN men she can chat with and maybe hook up with. And not too many girls to compete with.

Agent P
Agent P
6 years ago

@waffles

” I will never be able to let my guard down ever again. Sigh.”

That’s the BP world fucking with you right there. You’re going to become so awesome at being a man that you’ll never have to have your guard up again.

Your journey has begun

Chew on that padawan

Mitch
Mitch
6 years ago

When you make decisions based on what everybody around you thinks YOU should do, and then you follow the advice you’ve been given and it “works”, the ONLY thing you learn from that experience is to not trust yourself.

If you have spent your whole life acting solely on the advice of others, then you are well and truly fucked, and all the RP bible study in the world will not do you a bit of good.

If you have learned to not trust yourself. You need to UNLEARN that lesson, pronto.

Mango
Mango
6 years ago
Reply to  Mitch

Trusting yourself is NOT follow your feelings.

A man puts feelings aside and looks at the balance on the ledger.

The decision then becomes easy.

That is female solipsism.

You are rationalizing and rationalizing….

You think you are acting in self interest but you are just eating your own tail.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

When you make decisions based on what everybody around you thinks YOU should do, and then you follow the advice you’ve been given and it “works”, the ONLY thing you learn from that experience is to not trust yourself.

http://hechoencali.com/portal/images/accidentes.jpg

OK Mitch…

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Mitch Upday #3

Wanted to get this last thing in, because of course we had sex last night, you knew we would. It was the best sex I have given her to date.

Here is your Ukranicorn today.

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Waffles
Waffles
6 years ago

@Agent P Thank you. Wise words. I am on my second go around with the Rational Male audio book. In the very beginning Rollo says “there is no [one]” “there are good ones, there are bad ones but there is no [one]” It is a tough truth to grasp. “Then I suggest after you have excised your guilt over it’s failure (I know you feel guilty, I can smell it from here) and you have forgiven yourself. Only them will you be ready to re-evaluate your goals and your plan. Don’t get sucked into, “If I had only tried harder”,… Read more »

Blaximus
6 years ago

Disagree. I spent the first 20 years or so of my life acting on the advice of others. Key word being ” acting “. I jettisoned all that did not work for me and held tight to that which did. I was pretty much always far ahead of my peers because of the overall quality of the advice I’d been given. Only when I chose to go the opposite way did I wind up suffering. Mitch, I think it’s too late for the red pill or game to help you. You lack the desire and seriousness. You want to straddle… Read more »

Agent P
Agent P
6 years ago

The best revenge is a life well lived

walawala
walawala
6 years ago

That last comment about “giving” her sex then the Overly graphic porno ending….

Mitch is trolling us….

anon
anon
6 years ago

“Mitch is trolling us….”

Or Mitch’s bitch.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Mitch is trolling us….

Yeah, the idea of a multi-year trolling has occured to me, too.

dr zipper
dr zipper
6 years ago

trolling, yes, but only as an unintentional result of seeking attention; I think he honestly think’s he adhering to his principles and own conclusions; while that’s usually an admirable manly trait, it’s really fucking him this time

the fence separating BP/RP is no place to get hung up, you gotta clear that fucker or you’re nothing but easy pickins

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anon
anon
6 years ago

I’ve decided on troll.
First: “I’m training her like a dog, yo!”
Next: “Oops…she saw that”
Then: “This time I really opened up to her emotionally like never before!”

This is another ad for Dr Mac.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@Agent P Great comments to Waffles @Waffles Be cognizant of your feelings of denial, anger, bargaining and depression. Work through them with time, distance and replacing the thoughts with other outward actions. Work toward Acceptance of how things are for you. As far as being burned and never opening up again. Once you get yourself self-actualized, you don’t need to put up barriers. Alpha masculine attitude uses low mental barriers to get things done. Neo: What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets? Morpheus: No, Neo. I’m trying to tell you that when you’re ready, you… Read more »

constrainedlocus
6 years ago

This serves as a stark example of the level of naivete, foolishness and self-deceit of which men are all apparently more than capable. After reading it, what strikes me about this story is this: I’m still young. Regardless of my own success or failure in killing my own inner beta, when and if I ever reach the fine age of 45 or 50 or 55+, under no circumstances is it ever going to cross my mind or even accidentally occur to me that co-habitating or – God-forbid – marrying an Eastern European lady (no matter how physically attractive and sexually… Read more »

Roused
Roused
6 years ago

“I also enjoyed pile-driving the shit out of her. And I enjoyed falling asleep snuggling up behind her, my spent cock nestling against her beautiful ass.” Oh she enjoyed it very very much Mitch. But not for the reasons you think. She was probably smiling as she fell asleep knowing she has you by the balls, literally. You’re so projecting you’re post coital bliss of pole driving her thinking it’s all rainbows and feelz for her as well. This chick is playing dude. Oh she likes pile driving and an alpha stud giving it to her, it’s just that you… Read more »

Waffles
Waffles
6 years ago

Thanks, reading the links you posted.

Neo50
Neo50
6 years ago

I have to laugh at this Ukrainicorn/Mitch situation — I just ended one with a Ukrainian, who was my Ukrainicorn I guess. The country of origin doesn’t matter really. It’s hard-coded into the genders. But with mine, the amazing sex and hotness factor fucked with my head to the point where I was just floating up on the helium, thinking this was great and would last for as long as I wanted it to. She was also horrible at relationships — she would just disappear when she started feeling too attached….lot of damaged goods there. And objectively there was a… Read more »

Agent P
Agent P
6 years ago

@waffles. I was you man. Coming to the end of a long school career. I had found a girl, she was hot, energetic, somewhat smart, awesome in bed. I invested a bunch of time and effort in the whole thing, we cohabited for 18 months.played married so to speak. Not too much talk of marriage and stuff but that’s where it was going. But I went from cad to Beta schlub over time. I love love loved her but then I figured out she was fucking my so called best friend on the side when she wanted “a little space”.… Read more »

Mango
Mango
6 years ago

“Mitch” is a drug addict. He’s addicted to the equalist love story, he wants his rest in the bosom of a Ukrainicorn. He is afraid of having to start again. Using something that is bad for him, because he gets good feelings. That is a drug addict. A hot woman gives good feelings. A woman committed to you gives that also. A woman who whimpered in a sexy way while being “piledriven” (lololololol) gives a rich and powerful feeling to a man. Unfortunately, all these feelings come courtesy of a woman. Your mental point of origin is woman and the… Read more »

Hastalavista
Hastalavista
6 years ago

I now have read the last 150 comments, and from the moment I have read “I left the browser open so she can see this” – I am constantly laughing. This is too much for me. You can´t make this shit up. Someone suggested that “to mitch” should be a new word – I think this is a great idea. Please, someone, try to add this to the urban dictionary, next to “Ucrainicorn”. @Ucrainicorn Yes, you! We all know that sooner or later you will read this. Let me tell you: not all men are like Mitch. You really picked… Read more »

SFC Ton
6 years ago

Being emotionally open during sex. (Vulnerable is the wrong word. Open.) THIS, my brothers, is what she craves from a man above all else.
………

So Mitch is a lesbian?

pinelero
pinelero
6 years ago

Is the Ukrainicorn named Fancy by any chance?

SFC Ton
6 years ago

LOL , that’s 2 votes for this being a Dr Mack add

theasdgamer
6 years ago

“Mitch” is a drug addict. He’s addicted to the equalist love story

He’s invested in the equalist love story, but he’s addicted to feelz. Notice how he always avoids this point.

Agent P
Agent P
6 years ago

@mango.
I think the short way of saying it is that he is seeking validation through external inputs or actors which will always be a weakness.

anon
anon
6 years ago

“Someone suggested that “to mitch” should be a new word – I think this is a great idea.”

I call dibs on Mitching hour.

mersonia
6 years ago

@Ton “Being emotionally open during sex. (Vulnerable is the wrong word. Open.) THIS, my brothers, is what she craves from a man above all else. ………” Same thing…. its just most people think of vulnerability as being weak or trying to tell a sad story to make someone sad for you , or emotionally vomiting your feelings (which is neediness) Ima quote mark manson “It can mean putting yourself in a position where you can be rejected, saying a joke that may not be funny, asserting an opinion that may offend others, joining a table of people you don’t know,… Read more »

mersonia
6 years ago

@Mitch ( tagged ton earlier on accident)

lol don’t get me wrong you did it wrong though and the chances of your plan working are below 0

There is an art to doing this. Done properly it generates intense emotion, and as a result intense excitement and attraction, in a woman.

But theres nothing attractive and compelling like a guy like mitch who is being used by a female and they both know it and she has full control over him. The neediness is pouring out of you like toxic fumes bud.

Mr. Roboto
Mr. Roboto
6 years ago

Off topic. Last week I was in airport waiting for my flight to return home. I went to the stores to buy some food before boarding, and there I met a nice old woman (perhaps in her early 60´s). We started a friendly talk but after some time she threw me some shit tests. I was baffled, I never expected shit tests from an old woman, so I think I failed her shit tests. The interesting thing is that apparently hypergamy never ever stops!!!

Marley
6 years ago

@Waffles Can you elaborate on your marriages? While the particulars varied from one marriage to the next, there was a common thread that ran through all three – my Blue Pill conditioning. I grew up in the age of Leave It to beaver, Dennis the Menace, Dick VanDyke, etc. Happy families that mostly got along, but stayed together even though they hit occasional rough patches. The men in those families were my role models, especially when you take into consideration my parents’ divorce when I was nine. At the time, I didn’t know any other kids from broken homes (unheard… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Mr Robato

Biology is set it and forget it. There is no dimmer switch.

Hastalavista
Hastalavista
6 years ago

@Marley

thanks for sharing your story. It is always a bit disillusioning and sad, but it is what it is.

SFC Ton
6 years ago

Go suck a dick, vulnerable is a weak word

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Roboto
I never expected shit tests from an old woman,

They are all girls. AWALT.
I’ve seen women academics pushing 70 dishing out IOI’s, too.

dr zipper
dr zipper
6 years ago

“trying to magically pull a relationship rabbit out of a business deal hat”

lol, nice turn of phrase

yours sounds like a success story, glad to get some of that sprinkled in to the cauldron here

dr zipper
dr zipper
6 years ago

^^^ marley that is

theasdgamer
6 years ago

Girls don’t stop being girls just because they hit and finish menopause.

Marley
6 years ago

I wouldn’t trade all the bad shit for anything. I realize that it all contributed to the happy guy I am today…glad to have been unplugged and…looking forward to the next 59 years!

walawala
walawala
6 years ago

@Sentient: “ruh roh”

Excellent Scooby Doo reference…

Samson
Samson
6 years ago

@Rollo Am I a coward? I used to think so. Now though, I don’t care for Benjamin Franklin’s libertarian bravery, because liberty is not a Christian blessing or virtue, but I do consider him a wise Founding Father. Simply, I don’t need liberty to be a good man. I already admitted I am paranoid about feminism. My irrationality is a symptom of mental illness. This is something God will heal, and I mostly cooperate, by staying out of trouble and making healthy choices such as weightlifting (thanks for suggesting it, Rollo). I think Purple-pilling is indecisive, which is a separate,… Read more »

Blaximus
6 years ago

Whahappen?

walawala
walawala
6 years ago

@Blaximus:

Keith
Keith
6 years ago

Marley welcome to the party. The bad shit is what makes you. If a man never goes thru hard shit he can’t be thankful for the good times.

alex
alex
6 years ago

Father’s day card in NZ/Oz. Combo open hypergamy open cuckoldry.

https://imgur.com/a/3GqoQ

The Dude
The Dude
6 years ago

Fwiw – 38 year old single man here, been reading RM regularly since early 2013 and follow most of BD’s classic advice for spinning plates.

Recenkty found myself slipping back to a purple pill mindset with my main plate/MLTR… this post resonated.

GTR
GTR
6 years ago

I don’t understand something – if the default behavior of a woman is to be with a man for some time, then switch to another man for some time, then switch again – why not organize society around this? As long as the time with a single man is enough to pop up one or two kids this would assure the existance of future generations. Our entire society is organized around limited-time deals. Telecomunication or internet deals are for 2 or 3 years, property rental deals can be like for 5 years for businesses. And these type of deals work… Read more »

anon
anon
6 years ago

“I don’t understand something – if the default behavior of a woman is to be with a man for some time, then switch to another man for some time, then switch again – why not organize society around this? As long as the time with a single man is enough to pop up one or two kids this would assure the existance of future generations.” That is actually becoming the default “structure of society”. More and more so everyday. We can observe the results of it in communities right now and determine if that strategy is beneficial for communities. “Our… Read more »

Blaximus
6 years ago

Sounds like a wonderful way to turbocharge hypergamy and strengthen the FI. Societies revert to default settings during disasters and collapses. Defaults aren’t optimal. Remember, the push in this feminine primary system we’ve had foisted upon all of us has unrestrained hypergamy as it’s goal. Women would rule absolutely if all men just decided to go with the hypergamous default settings of females. I guess we could just consider bank robbery a default setting and remove the doors and all security there as well. That out to go smoothly. Nah, I’d not cosign ever coming to any kind of bargaining… Read more »

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