With apologies to my regular readers and commentariat, I’m mid-stream through crafting my next essay and what do I see in the comment feed from last week’s post? Our (our soon to be formerly) Purple Pill friend Mitch returning to give us all an update on what was supposed to be his inevitable married bliss. Rather than allow Mitch’s saga get buried under pages of comments I thought I’d post the continuation of his in-progress unplugging here for others to benefit from. Be sure you read the first case study before you dig into his update below:
Hello Gentlemen,
It’s good to be back here reading your insightful, intelligent, funny, actionable posts. I’ve been away for awhile. Glad to see Rollo’s blog and books doing so well. Congratulations sir, and I sincerely thank you from the bottom of my purple-but-slowly-turning-red heart for your work. I am now eating my previous words about this being ideological and cult-like. lol. Some might remember that I was the eponymous subject of one of Rollo’s posts on purple pill, and the ensuing discussion about whether I was setting myself up for slaughter in marrying a Ukrainian I’d met online. I (basically) said I’m a big boy now at 50, and know what I’m doing with women, and would let ya’ll know how it worked out. Not that anyone gives a rat’s ass after all my bullshit, but whatever, here I am.
Funny thing is that I’d been thinking about posting this update a few days ago, after reconnecting with TRM blog, and I would have said something along the lines of: she has been here almost 9 months, we been married for 5, going reasonably well, regular and enjoyable sex, she cooks everything from scratch and takes good care of me and the house; she’s diligently studying english, meeting people, etc, seems mostly happy; without fail she packs my lunch every night – once she woke up at about 1 am and remembered she had not made my lunch for work next day, and even though I told her not to worry about it, she got up, and went downstairs and *cooked* me lunch. Her responsibility, she said. She also genuinely likes me, and is very loving and affectionate and passionate in bed. We’ve had some conflict, and I’ve mostly held my ground, but made some fairly key concessions in the spirit of playing fair (since she has, in actuality at this point, zero leverage in this relationship), and accommodating her wants and needs.
And hypergamy doesn’t give a fuck.
Lo and behold, yesterday the computer is open and I see a ‘Hi’ come across the screen from Skype from a male. Open the Skype window and she’s been chatting with this dude from New Hampshire or some shit, not long, but the kind of bare bones swapping of details – the guy’s on hunt for a wife, and she’s asking about the size of his town, and what’s the weather like, how many kids, etc. As the blood drains from my face, the veil parts, I see it for what it is, and I realize without a shadow of a doubt, this shit is real. Complete with the subsequent hamstering and total lack of accountability following.
I don’t believe she was actually interacting with this guy with any conscious intent to find someone else, but clearly she thinks about it, and is willing to “play” with the idea, even at a time when she has sooo much to lose. I could withdraw my petition to get her a green card in two seconds, and she’s done. I think she was/is bored and enjoys the attention and validation, and sense of (diminishing) power that she has over men.
So now I need to figure out what to do. i am beyond grateful for Rollo’s work, this blog, and forum, and having internalized RP to the limited extent that I have, and know I need to do A LOT more. It’s pretty humbling to be 50 and need to be totally schooled in something so basic. It’s fricking amazing that I have managed to hide myself from this knowledge for so long.
Thank you.
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I meant to also say that I have learned a ton from you guys, and really appreciate the time and energy that many of you spent last fall trying to get me to get my head out of my ass. What can I say, I need to learn the hard way. Truth is, though, you guys were so vehement about it, that it definitely helped me to keep myself in reserve and react a bit more strategically to her.
Just to preface here, my intent isn’t to be cruel or pop of with ‘I todja so’, but I think it’s very important for guys in the various stages of unplugging to see Mitch’s situation as a clinical example. I’m not trying to flame you or pillory you Mitch, but your situation does serve as a good example.
As I mentioned in the first post about Mitch, there is a visceral desire on the part of Purple Pill men to force fit the parts of Red Pill awareness into Blue Pill idealisms and personal convictions because they simple cannot face the abyss of what a full Red Pill awareness presents to the belief set that the Blue Pill has conditioned them for. It is truly awful to be confronted with unflattering truths about the nature of women as well as a man’s coming to realize he’s got to drop all of his previous idealism and create a new, positive, paradigm for himself based on Red Pill awareness. For a lot of men inured by the Blue Pill it’s just too horrible to let go of those hopes based in a false awareness of their experience.
Thus, we get tropes like “well, the Red Pill is true, but it’s okay to have ONEitis for a girl because my new awareness insulates me from the worst effects of it.” Mitch even began his first entreaty by claiming this woman was “the ONE.”
I’d like to encourage men who still want a good wife to look East. As in, Russia, Ukraine and other former USSR counties. I cannot begin to tell you how encouraged and revitalized I am by this woman I met – and by most of the women I met and interacted with before I found “the One.”
Shades of Purple
I’m beginning to see that there are two varieties of Purple Pill men; the first is the guy whose revenue and wellbeing depends on his only accepting what the Red Pill presents to him in half-measure. These are the Man-Up, do the right thing moralists who only ever marginally warn against the nature of women while believing that the self-improvement imperative that the Red Pill represents to men will more than compensate for the very real dangers of a man not fully killing his inner Beta. These are usually the guys who at one time were solidly Red Pill and used that awareness to their personal benefit with women (and life), but at some stage their life’s circumstance demanded that they “change their ways” and shift back to believing that Blue Pill ideals can be had with Red Pill means. These are the men who follow The Script.
The second type of Purple Pill man is the one who never fully unplugged. I believe this was where Mitch was when I outlined his situation in the first essay. There is a certain class of men who simply cannot ignore the truths that the Red Pill presents to them, and they eagerly endorse the tenets and the understanding of women’s visceral natures. Hypergamy doesn’t care, they get the dynamics of Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks, they even believe they’ve come to terms with their own (often Beta) nature and what it is they believe is necessary to effect a change in their lives; yet there are aspects of that Red Pill awareness that they desperately want to reconcile with their long-held Blue Pill idealistic hopes. So, as a result, they attempt to discard or ignore whatever aspect of the Red Pill that isn’t conducive to making those old Blue Pill dreams come true.
For as long as I’ve been writing in the Manosphere I’ve always made a point of telling men never to use my marriage (or other Red Pill married men’s marriages) as some kind of template or goal to be had with Red Pill awareness. I realize that my own Red Pill marriage seems like some ideal to strive for, but what I think most unmarried single men need to consider is that, for the vast majority of men who’ve been able to unplug, remake themselves and employ an internalized understanding of Red Pill awareness within their marriages and in their families, these men do so in spite of themselves.
Very few men I know of, whom I’d say are Red Pill aware husbands and fathers, did not set out to be so. I have no doubt that in the future I’ll encounter men who were formerly Blue Pill and Beta who changed themselves, unplugged, became Red Pill aware, internalized it and used it to enter into a marriage wherein his Frame was always the primary and his wife intrinsically recognized it and was attracted to him because of it. I do hope this is eventually the case for some men, but as it stands now, the far more common occurrence is the Blue Pill, Beta husband who was “awakened while married” and turned his marriage back from the brink – if indeed that is the case at all. Even more commonly it is divorced men put through the ringer who unplugged post-divorce.
As I mentioned in the first case study about Mitch is his story is engaging because it so faithfully follows the progression of rationales Purple Pill men will use in order to hold fast to their old, comfortable mindset – in this case it’s the Blue Pill dream of an idyllic marriage had through Red Pill means.
One danger I think should be apparent to Red Pill men having to deal with a Purple Pill guy who’s hostile and resistant to what they’re trying to tell him is the potential disaster a Purple Pill man is setting himself up for in his inability to really stare at the abyss, work through the anger and hopelessness, and then recreate himself. This, I feel, is where that resistance stems from. It’s not so much an inability to acknowledge the truth of what real Red Pill intersexual dynamics is showing him, but rather how he will internalize, process and use that to create a better life for himself. So you get anger, not at the message as much as the messenger, when you tell him his sincere hopes are based on a Blue Pill interpretation of what a ‘good marriage’ is:
Lol…you guys can go fuck yourselves. I appreciate where ya’ll are coming from, though. Trying to save me from myself. And i appreciate how naive my post must sound to a bunch of hard core red pillers like yourselves. However, I am not nearly as inexperienced with women and LTR’s as ya’ll assume. I have learned a lot from red pill in general and this site in particular – it’s very insightful and helpful, and I’ve adjusted my attitude and posture toward women because of it. At the same time, though, it strikes me that many of you are taking on red pill ideas as a kind of ideology, and that’s its own kind of danger. The absolute certainty that ya’ll think you know all you need to know about me and my woman and my relationship from that very brief post is what I mean. As if red-pill theory, or whatever it is, completely and concisely explains the total dynamic between a man and woman. Red pill explains a lot of things really well, but certainly not the totality of the mystery that is between a man a woman in a marriage.
And yet, it does and it did.
If you don’t understand what I’m talking about, then I feel sorry for you. Red pill helps me tremendously in seeing more clearly what is going on. I totally get that I am a beta provider for her, that a large part of my appeal is what I can provide, and I get that she is turned on by alpha traits. Both of these things can coexist in the same person. Understanding this and what’s behind it makes me feel less anxious and insecure about that, because I’m more clear about what to do.
Also, being a beta provider does not make me a bitch. Providing for my woman and family is a large part of what makes me a man, and I derive great satisfaction and pride in doing so.
Also, I am not in any way “settling” for a 44 yo woman. Younger women were/are available to me, but that is not what i choose.There’s a lot more to life than fucks and bucks, but if that’s all it is for you, then this is the type of woman you will attract. In a relationship, what you get is what you are. If I can’t find a way to live with an open heart, then I don’t know what the fucking point is. But, to each his own.
So, here we are. And again, it’s hard for this not to come off as a big ‘I toldja so’, but I think it’s even more important for Red Pill men who have it in them to want to help a Blue Pill guy unplug, or hell, just to even recognize the reasons why he’s in the personal circumstances he is, to remember that the Purple Pill guy is only lashing out because he fears the totality of the truth that Red Pill awareness brings into his life. As I always say, unplugging guys from the Matrix is dirty work, but I am genuinely glad to have Mitch back on track and hopefully he’s learned something from the experience. I think other Red Pill men should adopt the same spirit of welcoming a Blue/Purple Pill prodigal son back into the fold.
So that’s my take, but please feel free to comment on Mitch’s situation in the comments thread.
rugby11
Went to a party on this week a women invited me to and observed many thing’s that helped calm me down on how the world works.
Good for you. It’s different to see this stuff playing out in real time vs. a video / keyboard, isn’t it?
Feels good, doesn’t it? It is good, too.
Play back the good stuff, the “that worked” in your head. Imagine variations.
off topic sort of – monkey-branching in action
https://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/6x3pjf/i_f_26_have_been_with_my_partner_m_27_for_almost/
Lol
http://picbear.com/ukrainicorn
“Everything is great, but…”
6 years, same dude, no babies. Biological urge to move on.
I wish I had coined the term, but Google says:
https://therationalmale.com/2016/10/21/the-something-else/#comment-174969
It was entered into the Urban Dictionary on April 2:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ukrainicorn
Sentient
6 years, same dude, no babies.
Also can see Big 3-0 looming up down the highway. Nesting fits will intensify.
Biological urge to move on.
Exactly.
She’s well out the door, Boyfriend has had all the warning shots he’s going to get if he doesn’t Alpha up pronto it’s over and he doesn’t even know it.
“6 years, same dude, no babies. Biological urge to move on.” …. Saint Sentient on fire today!!
agent P
“Boyfriend has had all the warning shots he’s going to get”
Solid observation… what would Mitch say I wonder?
Of course to her cat mind she has been screaming all this at him… so no guilt in moving on. He just hears… her exact words.
Its generally a bad idea to marry a woman from another country and culture and whom you have to marry and import to your country. Setting the scene for trouble. Imo that is a no go.
@Sentient “Boyfriend has had all the warning shots he’s going to get” Solid observation… what would Mitch say I wonder? Of course to her cat mind she has been screaming all this at him… so no guilt in moving on. He just hears… her exact words. Took the words right out of my mouth. The Red Pill me and reference experience tells me it’s the guys own damn fault for putting her in this precarious position. It’s him. Not her. I mean, what the fuck is she ‘sposed to do? She can be loyal with her actions (her cognitive mind),… Read more »
@Sentient: Saint Sentient (Saintient?) indeed. The hero we need, but not the one we deserve.
I guess you’ve been telling me this all along but sometimes it just comes across with higher clarity…
“6 years, same dude, no babies. Biological urge to move on.”
My LDR wife, except:
she is older (mid-thirties)
we have been together for longer…
And AWALT but for all I know she doesn’t go out, and doesn’t get as much tempting attention from other guys.
And I’ve been telling her very clearly that I don’t want kids.
eh… wen’t over Mitch’s original posts leading up to his getting married.
He is simply fucked in the haid…. he is all over the place… At the bottom of all he has a Savior Complex AND a Martyr Complex. all the advice in the world ain’t getting through that…
He must suffer so that he feels worthy.
IAS
Time to set her free… find the ballz to do so.
@Saintient: why can’t she do it herself? Other women apparently can and do split when they are “unhaaappy”. I don’t get it. Low self-esteem? Her N=1? It can’t be that I’m too Alpha because I’m obviously not. It is still advantageous to me to be with her LDR mode, I handled LDR decently well even before I decided to get hugs from other women (actual hugs, not a metaphor LOL, that is more or less my Game skill level). While she is increasingly struggling with it year after year. She is (naturally) past the wall at over mid-thirties but she… Read more »
@Sentient @Agent P @Anonymous “6 years, same dude, no babies. Biological urge to move on.” OK, say they had a kid. What is to stop her from having the same thoughts? I am asking because I recently got out of a similar situation. I was with my GF for 4.5 years and we talked about marriage, kids, etc. her words said she wanted that, but her actions didn’t, which is why I never pulled the trigger and proposed. I don’t want to get into all the details but it sounds like you are advocating for this dude to marry/impregnate this… Read more »
Thomas Its generally a bad idea to marry a woman from another country and culture and whom you have to marry and import to your country. It’s a challenge. One of the worst divorces I’ve seen involved a military man (Dynamic! Passionate! Authentic! Totally Blue Pill!) who imported a wife from East Asia. The package as delivered didn’t match what he thought was advertised. His Blue Pill betaization plus children led to demolition. Now, years after the divorce, he’s getting some Game. If he’d had that Game before then likely he wouldn’t have even bothered to look for a waifu… Read more »
Waffles OK, say they had a kid. What is to stop her from having the same thoughts? A man I work married a cute girl who probably was on the rebound from one or more men. He’s even teased her about her “bad boys”. However they now have 5 children, she’s homeschooling the oldest, several of his siblings regard her as one of the family. They all go to the same church. She’s surrounded in more ways than one. If she has those thoughts there’s not much of a chance to act on them. Sentient will have more to say… Read more »
It’s eye-opening to read here what put-together women like Mitch’s wife are capable of. Makes me want to say that the smarter and more sensible a woman seems, the more capable she is of deceiving a man. Maybe that’s a part of approach anxiety–subconsciously you know a hot woman could figuratively eat you alive on the deception front if she felt like it, without even meaning to. I hope I don’t have to learn the hard way…
the smarter and more sensible a woman *is*, not seems. Sorry.
@waffles I am not advocating he marry her, that ship has sailed already. If she is already in the thought cycle she is in, it’s done and neither of them understand that. Were she to run into a hot guy who chose to game her properly int he club, she wouldn’t make it out of the club with her panties in tact. Her ass is already out the door, her brain is just starting to catch up. She already called him on sliding from presumptive low Alpha into Betatude. When your girl is telling you to dress better and work… Read more »
I am asking because I recently got out of a similar situation. I was with my GF for 4.5 years and we talked about marriage, kids, etc.
I did this – had a kid(s) after 7-8 common-law. Stuck around for the new 20 years in a mostly sexless BP relationship. The only thing that matters is how RP you are and how you can continually game her.
Anonymous Reader It was fascinating she was in a trauma group with me on childhood abuse and she wanted to meet and show me a place where the behavior can come out and express it self. http://casualsexproject.com/share-your-story/ The group itself was part of this build up https://fetlife.com/about What was incredible was being able to hear the sounds of pain and than being shown human affection. Strange in part because i never seen it before but its relevant and raw. One thing that’s interesting was speaking to this other women who was their for the first time and me being able… Read more »
Hazelshade
Makes me want to say that the smarter and more sensible a woman seems, the more capable she is of deceiving a man.
Not if he is wearing The Glasses. To a man who can see what’s in front of him, quoting Blaximus, they are all girls.
1) Have your own plates, even if they are soft plates as I’d call them. Not like when you’re single, but still command their attention or interest
2) I agree with the previous comment, create a little dread and anxiety
3) Stop talking as if SHE’s the catch, you should see yourself as such, wtf, that is why you don’t have the previous two points ^
4) She may do all these things, but does she actually WANT you? What does the skype shit you saw tell you?
https://twitter.com/GoldmundUnleash/status/902917853279657985
https://www.instagram.com/p/BYY8z0El_Sy/
https://twitter.com/AJA_Cortes/status/902620413515120641
Thanks @Agent P and @Disgruntled The whole thing still stings for me. I have been reading the Chateau for years and have read rational male, so I am not a stranger to the advice. I would like to talk more about the whole situation but there is way too much to write about. There are plenty of things about her that would be considered bad traits but also plenty of good ones. It is def tough to lose someone you thought you could have a future with. 6 days out of 7 I am plugging forward but that 1 day… Read more »
https://twitter.com/AJA_Cortes/status/901578097488609280
https://twitter.com/thecadclub/status/900851846943735808
https://twitter.com/TheFamilyAlpha/status/900715768953917440
IAS why can’t she do it herself? Other women apparently can and do split when they are “unhaaappy”. Women are still in their “whatevers” followers, not leaders. Most unhaaapy’s have already gotten what they wanted, and women want most – more… Now in your case, she probably has enough from you to plod along, in quiet desperation. Despite all the marketing, your ass isn’t divorce raped the second she isn’t happy, they go along with their own BP dreams slowly being tamped out… Like this girl in the reddit… she ain’t happy but she ain’t hopping on strange dick or… Read more »
Mitch What’s with all this “my wife” And ” I won’t cut the bait” shit? What does “my wife” really mean in the context of this sorry tale? What you said some words in front of an imaginary god? Do you believe she thinks of herself as your wife till death do you part? Really? She’s not yours, never was and never will be you are just a stepping stone to her. This ‘game’ is already lost and you are so out of your depth that it’s fucking laughable. I can’t even work out why you decided to enter into… Read more »
Alright story time. Pimp snooky is a free documentary on Youtube. Go check it out. As far as the pimp’s life, I don’t know if it is that informational but it has a very relevant story about a new whore in his stable. Snooky runs a whore stable like a business. He’s got two whores living with him and a new one joins the stable. Snooky’s friend says she was very willing to join snooky, really insisting on being his whore, which is unusual. In the documentary you can see that the other whore tell her the rules, ‘always call… Read more »
Waffles OK, say they had a kid. What is to stop her from having the same thoughts? The immediate biological urge is not being satisfied. Babies. Her hindbrain is telling her her paramour is not getting it done. Now that’s not to say babies is an immunization… but her prime directive is satisfied… for a bit (then there is safety for baby, nest etc.) and on practical level she is a mom, her body changes, babies take lots of time and energy… all that real world shit. Of course if her dude was not Mr. Right… He is not demonstrating… Read more »
@ dirka That’s a very good analysis, and I can see that you have very broad knowledge in general and of EE countries and cultures, and experience with women, and life in general. I see that, and I think it’s cool and I can learn a lot from you. ALOT – would love to have a couple beers with you some day and BS about any number of things. However. At the beginning of your essay you do acknowledge that your take on what she is thinking is formed by broad brush strokes of an entire population (which I would… Read more »
@Sentient
? what does this mean. what where her actions? Did she need to force you at gunpoint?
She basically wanted to party all the time and prioritized her friends over me. She was always selfish, but took it to a heightened extent. For instance, I wanted to go on this hike with her, and we could never make time to go on the hike because we were going to event after event after event with her friends. She just turned 30 but wants to party like she is 21.
* that’s not to say dirka, that there is no truth to your assessment of me – that I don’t recognize some truth about me in that assessment. But it’s not anywhere near the whole truth. I’m the ONLY one who knows and can discover the whole truth about me.
@Waffles ” I am asking because I recently got out of a similar situation. I was with my GF for 4.5 years and we talked about marriage, kids, etc. her words said she wanted that, but her actions didn’t, which is why I never pulled the trigger and proposed. I don’t want to get into all the details but it sounds like you are advocating for this dude to marry/impregnate this chick…which looks like it would just lead to divorce/alimony/custody battles etc.” “She basically wanted to party all the time and prioritized her friends over me. She was always selfish,… Read more »
Mitch
“I’m the ONLY one who knows and can discover the whole truth about me.”
So DeNial is really just a river in Egypt???
Thanks
Hazel It’s eye-opening to read here what put-together women like Mitch’s wife are capable of. It’s eye opening to me what a wild and unruly thing an imagination can be – especially when scaled up to a group level. The fear driving this particular post, for example, is really saying something about what is informing people’s opinions about what I ought to do. Gentlemen, at this point in the game, the facts are simply these: 1) I married a 45 yo woman I brought over from Ukraine. 2) This woman was married for 10 years before being widowed. 3) We… Read more »
Shit test. She left it open on the table. Making a guy jealous is a total shit test. No better beta test. The shit test fail is the beta orbiter who then loses respect, which THEN can’t be recovered. No where near that.
Game with your wife is perfect.
Sentient
Nope, not just a river. Denial is definitely a real thing
Mitch
My interpretation of the 4th fact – validated by at least two commenters here, whose posts I’ve seen thus far I respect – is that it’s your garden variety shit test.
How long is DeNial?
Funny… My wife has Skype. She has never been randomly messaged by a guy who just happens to be looking for a wife… nor has she started to qualify same.
“My interpretation of the 4th fact – validated by at least two commenters here, whose posts I’ve seen thus far I respect – is that it’s your garden variety shit test.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
Because this is the reality you desperately want to accept while you ignore everything that contradicts it. (deep down you know @dirka is spot on)
When #3 happens (Her main goal. Which the guys with vastly more RP knowledge/experience with women than you here are trying to prevent from happening) you will learn the hard way that they were right all along.
Mitch I’d like to back track to my comments to your comments about how proficient you are at risk identification and mitigation. Now we know you went into this forswearing off any pre nup (last post)… and you signed I -134 without blinking… Apparently your wife has her Skype address on the internet at what? Some type of Russian Bride site or what? Tell us what risks you perceived and what mitigants you put in place, you know to help us with our vain imaginings… Let us know you got this all covered LIKE YOU CLAIM. I don’t think you… Read more »
I don’t believe she was actually interacting with this guy with any conscious intent to find someone else, but clearly she thinks about it, and is willing to “play” with the idea, even at a time when she has sooo much to lose.
Mitch – who wrote that ^^^?
You are just manstering now about your new interpretation of the 4th Fact…
And lets all be honest here. You’ve had sex with her since the discovery… Perhaps last night???
hmmmmm.
“When a guy flirts with a girl, it is not flirting unless she is sacrificing something, i.e. risking being called a slut. What will she do for you?”
Wow.
Aw, Blax, don’t go all Millennial high school on us. Besides, it’s
“Wow! Just Wow!” if you want to do it the right way.
Previously I said Part 3 of this story was going to be a trainwreck, but Sentient is probably more correct – this is a drama in 4 parts.
Blax These are the guys who get all aggro at you “she only made out with him, nothing happened!!!” or “He just fingered her and she sucked his cock OK!!!”. The boards are full of them. Newlyaloof put out there – get yourself a tape recorder and then see what happens, for a reason. These guys require the most painful nose rubbing… not to break through and wake up…. noooo no no no… To fully flagellate themselves and feel the pain their martyr complex demands… and they will “work on things” since “she’s not like that anymore” because “I can… Read more »
Sentient
Re the above example of wall approaching women contemplating her 6-year r’ship:
Textbook example of American woman hypergamy inaction. No question.
* American Woman hypergamy in action
Sentient
That was my initial interpretation, formed out of my fear. And it could certainly be true at some level, at the same time it mostly represents a garden variety shit test.
I know it’s for my good and all, but you are deliberately trying to play into my fear. You are trying to use the fear (of what could happen to me, cuz AWALT) to manipulate me. In order to protect me. I’m sorry, but this is not a man’s path to self-mastery.
No sex, separate bedrooms.
Manstering… heh that’s a new one for me.
Cortes left off the plow horse.
@Mitch
Yes now I get it “american woman hypergamy”with the stars and stripes in english as a first language and all.
Much easier to understand than say spanish woman hypergamy.
AWALT
So back when I spent time at MMSL I was putting together an “Is she cheating calculator” but I never did anything with it. keeping in mind MMSL was really for newbies to RP and it went very Purple pill eventually so many posters would go ape shit if you just said, “Fuck dude are you stupid, of course she’s banging chad from the office on her lunch break in the back of the car”. That was impolitic so I thought spelling it out and letting men arrive at their own conclusion might work better. I wrote down variables that… Read more »
@ads But you also need to be sure that you are always emotionally engaged with your woman and aren’t surprised or triggered when she tests you, but you are an emotional rock, warmed by your inner masculine sunshine. Being like this causes you to give off alpha tells which causes real sexual attraction in women, which you weren’t doing prior to your 2nd go round here, so you didn’t create real sexual attraction in your woman…she was only interested in non-sexual benefits like the GC. However, it’s always good to practice your game, so go ahead and try to turn… Read more »
Stuffin,
American only in the specific details of her thought process.
Universal in the hypergamous mechanics of what she was actually doing.
Good list agent P. Your forgot joined a gym and stared working out and lost weight. And starts inviting your friends over with out advanced notifications to you. Especially your buddy Jodie.
Mitch
Hypergamy isn’t a thought process,it is a survival instinct that runs so deep it can hardly be mastered only met or fooled.
Sentient
Tell us what risks you perceived and what mitigants you put in place, you know to help us with our vain imaginings… Let us know you got this all covered LIKE YOU CLAIM.
Dude! This is not your fucking problem!! It’s my problem. Let it go already.
Stuffin
I didn’t say hypergamy was a thought process. But there was a thought process that she laid out, and I thought it was very American.
Sentient
Funny… My wife has Skype. She has never been randomly messaged by a guy who just happens to be looking for a wife… nor has she started to qualify same.
You are fucking hilarious man! I thought your wife and my wife are two ENTIRELY different people! As are you and I. I love you man, but not THAT much lol!
Dude, your projection is intense. That is all YOU.
Mitch
Go figure on a woman’s thought process, your guess is as good as mine, not even sure there is one.However if she has a “thought process” I can be sure it hinges on Solipsism and Hypergamy.
Hypergamy is simply the reproductive instinct exercising its best options. Open Hypergamy is the exercising of these said options with no social restraint in place. Solipsism is also a survival instinct that assures that her interests come before anyone elses. If a man proves up to be the top Hypergamous choice then his interests become part of her solipsism.
@ Agent P
Impressive list.
Thank you.
“If a man proves up to be the top Hypergamous choice then his interests become part of her solipsism.”
nice
@ Mitch Stop struggling, you’ll only hurt yourself. It’s not that anyone here is projecting anything on you at all. That’s purely your BP resistance kicking into high gear. Sentient and every commenter here is trying to help you, and they are giving you a lot to chew on. But you seem like your jaws are getting tired. You say you want to Game your wife and fix this situation, correct? Well I don’t think that what you need is Game, as much as you need a better understanding of The Red Pill. A combo platter is best, but you… Read more »
Failure and giving up is such Beta, no Gamma response. Get some balls! Fuck!! Everyone run for the hills! SHE looked at another guy. I mean WTF. Is your connection with women that weak? I never been with a woman that doesn’t check out other guys. That’s the fucking game! Hell I check out other women. What the hell. We all a bunch of church ladies here??
“Sentient and every commenter here is trying to help you, and they are giving you a lot to chew on.”
An elephant is eaten one bite at a time. Mitch is understanding me and listening to me. Why does he need so many voices?
@St
I never been with a woman that doesn’t check out other guys.
Checking out other guys and qualifying other men are two very different things…qualifying other men online for a potential BB relationship is a branch-swinging behavior and not merely looking at the local wildlife.
I wonder if you have any idea what a woman’s self-mateguarding behavior looks like. I think that that would be an excellent post for @Rollo to do, come to think of it.
Im gonna stir this hornets nest… As I’m scrolling through the comments, it occurs to me that a huge amount of discussion – most of it in fact – is focused on stories about women, and all the various ways they demonstrate hypergamy, and all the ways they can fuck up our lives, and burn us to the ground. I thought RP was about us. You guys are making this about women, but it isn’t. It’s about us, and our fear of women. Because we do fear them, of course we do, because look at what they can do to… Read more »
Exactly! Don’t fear women. It’s the core. Being able to walk away and walking away is two different things. What can a woman do? Stop fucking you?? I’ll tell you this if she stops fucking you and playing THAT game you DO walk away You can feel when a woman doesn’t respect/desire you. Game prolongs desire. No relationship is ultimately long term. Play it out! You got this. Alpha and game. Confidence. That’s what women DO want. Be that guy.
Dirka’s commentary is excellent. The man should have his own blog. And I’m afraid that Mitch isn’t even purple pill. He’s blue pill to the core. As a previous poster said, the only way he may actually become red pill is if he experiences a significant amount of pain. And that pain might come via an ass raping in divorce court. And if memory is correct, I believe he did think that he found his little snowflake, he honestly thought this woman would fulfill his blue pill, idealized notion of love. Mitch, can you shed some light on your previous… Read more »
“Because we do fear them….”
Lol. Speak for yourself there Sparky.
I can dodge folly without backing into fear.
You do not seem to be able to fear without projecting it onto those who can dodge folly.
As I’m scrolling through the comments, it occurs to me that a huge amount of discussion – most of it in fact – is focused on stories about women, and all the various ways they demonstrate hypergamy, and all the ways they can fuck up our lives, and burn us to the ground.
The guy who says he’s read most of Rollo’s posts concludes this now?
Mitch – your head is so far up your ass all you can do is talk shit…
I don’t think I’m resisting RP as much as many of you are resisting confronting your fear of women. Re-read: It’s a mistake (and sometimes a fatal one) to ignore what you know is just under the surface. It’s comforting to believe that you’ve got a special connection, and while the conditions are right, you’ll preserve a relationship based on mutual trust and shared affinity. The flaw is in believing that trust, and kinship is unconditional; that the underlying feral motivators are subdued to the point of being inconsequential. It may be that you do have a special bond that… Read more »
@Mitch
I don’t think I’m resisting RP as much as many of you are resisting confronting your fear of women.
Why are you being silly? Women can call on the govt. to bully men at will and they have every advantage. We have a healthy fear of govt. and are aware that the system is broken and that women will take advantage of its brokenness in their favor and to our detriment.
“As a previous poster said, the only way he may actually become red pill is if he experiences a significant amount of pain. And that pain might come via an ass raping in divorce court.” Yep. Ya said it best: “Can’t shove the red pill down someone’s throat unfortunately, even if you know how much it’d help them. We all learn this lesson the hard way like you, trying to teach someone who hasn’t hit rock bottom yet and hasn’t said “okay this is hopeless I will try ANYTHING to fix this part of my life”. As long as they… Read more »
Just learned that oxybenzon in sunscreens is easily absorbed and mimics estrogen.
What??? I’m throwing away all of my sunscree…. waitaminute… I don’t use sunscreen.
Lol.
Especially your buddy Jodie.
LOL @ Jodie. Chad’s grandfather.
If a lot of discussions here are focused on women, it is because women have a big wind behind their sails with Feminine Social Conventions, Feminism and general overall societal caving to the Feminine Imperative. Feminine sexual strategy has a big spinnaker sail employed. If you haven’t noticed. And if you haven’t noticed, you aren’t paying attention. Red Pill Awareness is a mindful paying attention of how things are, rather than how they ought to be. Don’t impute motives of posters as fear. That’s just psychological projection: you already admitted a couple days ago to being “afraid”. I’m not the… Read more »
For the other brothers who ain’t Mitch, becuase apparently a guy who has to import a wife knows a fuck ton more about women then the me here….. Steer clear of widows. Their head space and timing seems to be fucked up for years and years afterward, a a large number of widows I know would exchange their current man’s life for their dead husbands life in an instant, if such a bargain was possible ………………. As for skypeing another man being a garden vairity shit test….. Maybe but my cock is the best thing that has ever fucking happend… Read more »
“Steer clear of widows. Their head space and timing seems to be fucked up for years and years afterward, a a large number of widows I know would exchange their current man’s life for their dead husbands life in an instant, if such a bargain was possible” Here is a comment about white widow weed. “What a beast! I put her through hell with some nuts burn due to a busted ppm meter but she bounced back and ran like a monster. I mainline like a nut and ended up with over 9 oz of dank stank crystal buds. This… Read more »
What’s screwing guys up at the moment from what i’m seeing is you’re still stuck in the purity fantasy of what a girl ought to be like and not simply embracing how they’re really like – Use their nature to your advantage by setting up your relationships to accommodate it. You’ll thank yourself later for doing it as it’s win/win. I have no hesitation now to tell girls that they’re free to see other guys if they’re ever tempted and that if they feel that’s the case, to simply agree to an open nonmanogamous relationship. It’s the best setup you… Read more »
I posted a link to BlackDragon’s Not Dating Russian (and Ukrainian etc.) article of last year, which is a fun read, but it didn’t take, maybe a Rollo filter
“What’s screwing guys up at the moment from what i’m seeing is you’re still stuck in the purity fantasy of what a girl ought to be like and not simply embracing how they’re really like – Use their nature to your advantage by setting up your relationships to accommodate it. You’ll thank yourself later for doing it as it’s win/win.” A guy trying to not have a Madonna/Whore mindset is different that a guy being good at Game. You can have a Machiavellian mindset and slick Game and PUA skills and still have a Madonna/Whore bent. You can have good… Read more »
I’m way behind on reading posts, so sorry these are so out of order: culum You could have had a showdown with your wife next week and been 100x better prepared (or not had a showdown if you realized it was better not to). Instead you just rushed in with a nuclear warhead conversation, without understanding what is going on in her head – and THAT is frustrating. that’s an excellent point, and I certainly understand the frustration. I know that frustration, especially wrt to my younger brother. And rushing in w/ a nuclear warhead, yep, that’s pretty typical of… Read more »
@Mitch
You did this shit last time go away noobtroll
“Steer clear of widows. Their head space and timing seems to be fucked up for years and years afterward, a a large number of widows I know would exchange their current man’s life for their dead husbands life in an instant, if such a bargain was possible”
Good grief. Guys, this is NOT how you make good decisions for yourself, by listening to what other people think and doing THAT, because other people experienced x,y, and z. YOU are not other people.
LOL yeah because ignoring the advice of more experienced men is always the best way to be successful in life
The magic thinking thing explain so much
UPDATE: – I was a total dipshit and left the browser window open to these blog posts, and she read a few of them, including the one where I described gaming her w/ dog training. oops. Of course she was very upset, and told me how it made her feel and what her fears were, and I believe it’s the first time I’ve ever seen her cry. I told her I was sorry she had to see that, that it wasn’t good for her to see. And I held her for a little while and assured her that I loved… Read more »
Am I on Candid Camera?
“I told her I was sorry she had to see that, that it wasn’t good for her to see. And I held her for a little while and assured her that I loved her, and then pulled away after a little bit and she went into the other bedroom”
You fucking beta fuck
“What a great advantage a man can have over women, if he only knew what cold and calculating thoughts are going through her mind….while her eyes are brimming with tears” – Esther Vilar
Here’s my own brief story, gentlemen. I act purple pill, in short. I follow St.Paul’s prohibition on fornication, so I can’t date or ‘spin plates’ [no Family Guy-style ear-sex either 😉 ], leaving only marriage and LJBF. I don’t seek or meet eligible Christian women, and I’m too young and poor to marry so far, but some women, the ones interested in religion and having a clean conscience, do like me. Christian ladies, including nuns, like me even more. That’s ok. The difficult thing is that fornication is prohibited because it invites uncelan spirits into sinners’ bodies, so I am… Read more »
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
a lotta bitch-like drama
embarrassed for you… a grown man mired in it, you must be getting something out of it and I don’t wanna know what it is
UPDATE #2:
I’m taking her camping tomorrow for the long weekend, so I’ll be offline. Show off my mad skillz.
@Mitch If you love her, act like it, with eros (no holding black when she physically needs kissing just because you don’t trust her and have the excuse of work) and honesty. You totally DID want her to read these comments. You WANT to get in trouble with her. You WANT trouble, because it relieves your self-limiting guilt for “going off the unofficial {beta hubby who loves her, but won’t keep her, because she deserves better than a guy who needs to resort to the Red pill instead of his love making her love you back} plantation” and perpetuates your… Read more »
another bot?
@palmasailor You’re enjoying the fucking drama like the type of BPD women that have nearly destroyed a lot of us here. Yeah, but anyone can do this when freaked out by inaccurate guilt (“I don’t deserve a pretty wife, because everyone looks down on me as failing to get a hot American woman, taking a foreign woman is cheating, and only losers do that”) into making stupid mistakes. He’s never been married before (I think), mostly single for decades, and now has regular sex with a woman he wants to White Knight for, being her AMERICAN Husband, not just the… Read more »
Last thought, I hope.
The real reason I looked in EE for a wife? Because Eat Pray Love and 50 Shades sold far too many copies in the US, and that shit makes me want to vomit.
I’m about 99.9 percent sure my ukrainicorn hasn’t read either of those. ( reason why I’m sure having nothing to do with percentage distribution of copies sold over there ) .