One of the most common criticisms of “those Red Pill guys” I read today is the misperception that any guy devoting any headspace to the nature of women, how to go about changing his outlook in intersexual dynamics or really understanding intersexual mechanics is only applying himself in order to get laid. Old school Roissy addressed this as a common form of Red Pill hate long ago:
From The Unbearable Triteness of Hating:
12. Fallacy of Misdirected Obsession Hate
Hater: A guy who spends his life obsessing over how to get women is a loser.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over climbing the corporate ladder to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over mastering guitar and playing in a rock band to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over pursuing financial rewards and acquiring resources to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who….. ah, you get the point.
I made an effort to address this in Crisis of Motive as well, however, that essay took a more general look at the reasons people behave as they do.
A common (often deliberate) misdirection is that the only purpose men apply themselves to when considering Red Pill truths is that it’s all about PUA and chasing pussy. From there the argument becomes one of men becoming ‘pussy beggars‘ because they mistakenly believe this is all that studying intersexual dynamics is good for.
I get this a lot from MRAs as well as MGTOWs and trad-con guys who believe men shouldn’t ever bother themselves with the nature of women or the underlying mechanics, and focus themselves on whatever ‘higher-order’ principles or ambiguous virtues their belief set predisposes them to valuing. Usually these tend to be old books, old social contract ideals that they believe men need to return to.
Then the focus centers on how unburdened they’ve become with women, because they’ve either given up or have otherwise dissociated themselves from caring enough to understand the nature of women. Then, a sort of self-righteous AMOGing follows in some feigned pity about how other men are stuck following their penises instead of applying themselves to whatever it is they think ought to be valued. It’s a very convenient cop out for guys who’ve either attempted to understand Red Pill truths or applied Game and failed in some capacity, or for Blue Pill men unwilling to let go of the idealism it’s taught them, but still see some undeniable truth in the Red Pill.
I find this kind of ironic when I consider how hard-line PUAs tend to value the practice and repetition of Game above (not necessarily to the exclusion of) really looking under the hood and understanding why theses same intersexual mechanics make a man fully Red Pill aware. These are the “just get out there and do it” guys, and I do see the necessity of practice and learning. However, in either instance, it becomes all too easy to dismiss a man’s interest in understanding these mechanics as being motivated by hedonistic impulses. This is half the reason Red Pill awareness is shunned in religious contexts. A good part of understanding the fundamental nature of women aligns directly with old-school doctrine, but the disqualifying concern is that men would use it for their own self-important pleasures. It’s easy to presume that all the Red Pill is about is facilitating men’s obsession with getting laid because men are taught that this is all men think about. But whether it’s in a religious context, or an old books ‘man up’ context, the element of shaming and pathologizing men’s sexual impulse to promote an ideologic bent is always there.
That’s the heart of this misperception; the belief that the Red Pill is only about banging women or it’s in some way giving men reasons to encourage them to give up on women in despair. It’s only about building a man’s life around women (pussy beggars) to the exception of all else or it’s wasting one’s life trying to understand something not worth the effort. Those are the binary rationales attached to accepting the truths that the Red Pill reveals to men. These are usually the result of some irreconcilable conflict between that truth and an ego-investment in his Blue Pill idealism.
Ostensibly, the concern stems from some ideal of personal responsibility and that Red Pill awareness is in some way encouraging guys to ignore anything like responsibility and just following their most base impulses. Anyone who’s been involved in the Red Pill as a praxeology of intersexual dynamics understands this is a wrong impression, however, it does serve to stroke the egos of guys who need an easy dismissal of the truths they’re uncomfortable with. In a sense it becomes a new form of Game to them; AMOGing those pussy beggars by being maverick examples of a guy who is enlightened above his animal sexual nature. The belief is not unlike Blue Pill men’s dedication to their identifying with the feminine as a means to make himself unique and “not like other (typical) guys.”
There are a lot of different variations of this ‘Game’. Maybe it’s the tough-guy pastor who adopts just enough Red Pill awareness to pretend he’s got the masculine experience to tell men how they ought to ‘man up’ – while absolving women of any personal responsibility in their own natures. Sometimes it’s the Power of Positive Thinking guru who plays a similar, though secular, game with his flock – if you just ‘think differently’ you’ll be unique and have no reason to “chase pussy”. Then there’s the trad-con “authority” who also perpetuates the “nothing’s sexier” myth about men who ‘do the right thing’ by accepting their own indenturement to women, but are also ‘above it all’ enough to never have to worry about the risks men put themselves into by doing so.
The Importance of Hypergamy
A lot gets made about a perceived over-emphasis on Hypergamy. While Hypergamy serves as a very important foundation to many Red Pill truths it’s not the straightjacket critics want to make of it. However, the misperception critics like to harp on is that just the simplest most basic understanding about the mechanics of Hypergamy are too paralyzing for most men. Again, it’s something believed to be deterministic to the point that a lot of men simply throw up their hands and give up. It would be better for them to stay totally ignorant (or less aware) of how Hypergamy influences not just their personal lives, but also their work, social, family and political lives. In being ignorant of Hypergamy a guy might develop some irrational self-confidence in spite of its influence that would help him.
Some critics like to promote the idea that because Red Pill awareness, as a praxeology, doesn’t plainly present hard and fast actionable solutions for men that it is promoting some endemic culture of victimhood. Thus, we get comparisons of men complaining or whining about their own miserable (often sexless) state, or the state of unfairness in a world that is aligned against them. These are the critics who want easy answers and when none come, or the ones that are obvious conflict with the Blue Pill idealisms they refuse to disavow, they believe it’s the Red Pill’s duty to give them some bullet point list that tells them what to do. Thus, the Red Pill doesn’t make it easy enough to be useful.
What they fail to wrap their heads around is that the Red Pill is not one-size-fits-all and that anyone promoting a universal cure-all is selling something dangerously close to Dream Girls and Children with Dynamite. Rather than bothering with the introspection necessary to use what the Red Pill is telling them, they seek simplistic formulas to remedy their conditions. Most critics who believe Red Pill awareness promotes a sense of male victimhood resort to this opinion because they lack the personal investment necessary not just to understand intersexual dynamics, but also the harsh necessity of abandoning their Blue Pill ideals completely.
Often enough what the Red Pill is showing them is requiring that they stare at the abyss of a past life based on Blue Pill fallacies. Solution? Conflate the praxeology, the studying of intersexual dynamics, with complaining and a victimhood belief. Rather than invest the time and attention needed to understand intersexual dynamics it’s far easier to conflate what Red Pill men debate with angry feminists’ easily disprovable rhetoric.
The Scope of the Red Pill
In the linked podcast above I addressed another common misperception with Anthony Johnson; that of the belief that all the Red Pill is about is limited to the personal situations of men. All of the misbeliefs I’ve led up to here are founded on the idea that Red Pill awareness is exclusively compartmentalized to the personal states of men, and beyond that the social and political landscape is caused by social constructionist reasons. The misperception, as I said, is that understanding intersexual dynamism is only about getting laid or complaining about not getting laid. Learning anything more in-depth only indicates some degree of obsession with getting sex.
In The Feminine Mystique I outlined the latent purpose the Feminine Imperative foments in the mythology of women being these fickle, unpredictable and unknowable enigmas to men.
Perhaps the single most useful tool women have possessed for centuries is their unknowablity. I made that word up, but it’s applicable; women of all generations for hundreds of years have cultivated this sense of being unknowable, random or in worse case fickle or ambiguous. This is the feminine mystique and it goes hand in hand with the feminine prerogative – a woman always reserves the right to change her mind – and the (mythical) feminine intuition – “a woman just knows.” While a Man can never be respected for anything less than being forthright and resolute – say what you mean, mean what you say – women are rewarded and reinforced by society for being elusive and, dare I say, seemingly irrational. In fact, if done with the right art, it’s exactly this elusiveness that makes her both desirable and intolerably frustrating. However, to pull this off she must be (or seem to be) unknowable, and encourage all of male society to believe so.
What critics and Blue Pill men do by discouraging a fully developed understanding of what makes for Red Pill awareness in men is a surrender to this unknowable social convention. Either women are unknowable or not worth the bother of men having figured out their nature the effect is the same; keeping men ignorant of how the Feminine Imperative directs their lives. This ignorance has ramifications that go far beyond just the individual man and whether or not he gets laid.
I mention this in the above interview, but what critics don’t want to confront is the far greater scope that understanding the praxeology of the Red Pill implies. Those dynamics stretch from the biological, to the psychological, to the personal and familial, to the political and the global. A man can use Red Pill awareness to get laid, deal with an unresponsive wife, challenge a female boss at work, better understand the sexual marketplace as well as the latent purposes of feminine-primary legislation designed to maximally limit men and maximally unfetter women. However, just understanding this, just discussing it or a want to have a more complete grasp of Red Pill awareness is not an effort in bemoaning a man’s state within it. This is the danger I see coming from some elements within the Red Pill community; there’s a tendency to see the education (or even the want of an education) in Red Pill awareness as some substitute for acting on it. It is not, and it’s high time men in the ‘sphere realize that Red Pill awareness, and making it useful to an individual man, consists of both the theoretical and the practical.
I’ve had critics tell me that the Red Pill is only desperate guys learning to get laid, and to them I’ll point out the recent story of Daniella Greene, the FBI translator who left her military husband to marry the very ISIS fighter she’d been tasked to investigate. Watch the video at this link and then think about how many Red Pill truths this story confirms. Think about the far greater scope and importance an understanding of Red Pill intersexual dynamics has here. Are we just going to say “well, bitches are crazy, she must be damaged” or do we see the mechanics behind her actions with a Red Pill Lens? This is only one example of the scope of the importance a developed Red Pill awareness should mean to men.
@ASD: “Ah, one of my pet peeves with Biology…vagueness in the definition of “species.”” There is a not dissimilar problem with the mathematical Theory of Limits, and yet it proved to be the necessary solution to Zeno’s paradoxes of 1500 years standing. And you aren’t likely to mistake a perch for an elephant. The issue is principally one of time scale. We ourselves, as biological organisms, live inside the observational radius of what we are trying to observe. We look at an elephant and see an elephant, when an elephant is really just the current state of an ongoing, long… Read more »
@Sentient
with the same intersection of politics and race,
you forgot gender…60% of college students are women
@kfg
And you aren’t likely to mistake a perch for an elephant.
I also know panography when I see it. But defining it is a monstrous task.
If you’re constructing a theory and the words you use are vague, it might be a little difficult to actually test the theory…but maybe it’s enough to just believe in the theory. Of course, I’m not sure what you call that endeavor…religion?
“Zeno’s paradoxes of 1500 years standing.”
Plus a 500 year rounding error that snuck in there somehow.
History… Repetition… Biology… “Nobody wants to return to the kind of risky home loans that spurred 2008’s banking collapse. Sliding back toward lax lending would be nuts. Yet Washington officially endorsed such loans this month. Federally controlled mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac announced they’ll back loans to low-income Americans who put just 3% down, even though such loans have a high default rate. The risky mortgage program has the blessing of Federal Housing Finance Agency chief Mel Watt, the former Congressional Black Caucus leader whom President Obama recently appointed to regulate Fannie and Freddie. Watt also backs home… Read more »
“If you’re constructing a theory and the words you use are vague, it might be a little difficult to actually test the theory…” Achilles actually catches the tortoise, even though he must move through an infinite number of instances of only getting half way there. We calculate this mathematically by making an infinitely large number of finer (i.e. less vague) approximations of the distance between which limits at 0. The Theory of Algebra on which these very calculations depend is either incomplete or inconsistent. It is left as an exercise for the student to determine which. Atomic theory has become… Read more »
I’m sure that the ratings agencies never asked themselves if loans could default, people never lied about their income, and there was not massive congressional corruption that ran interference for investment banks…but I also believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy.
The question isn’t whether evolution happens, but how significant it is.
There is no known mechanism by which its significance could be limited. I’m not saying there isn’t one, but someone is going to have to show their work.
@Sentient
The risky mortgage program has the blessing of Federal Housing Finance Agency chief Mel Watt
Isn’t Watt a republican name? 😉
@kfg
Bacteria can endure massive population destructions and carry on. Vertebrates and most invertebrates cannot.
Ok, enough shooting of little bags of feces…I’m done
@blax @Sentient @stuff
Life is not like a box of chocolates. It’s like a great, big bubbling pot of biological stew. It doesn’t divide into little compartments. Species are not “things.” They’re processes.
kfg “Zeno’s paradoxes of 1500 years standing.” An engineer and a mathmetician find themselves in a misty, strange space. The boundaries are not well defined, the light is diffused, they can’t see much around them. Off in the distance appears a table with many kinds of food and drink. Next to the table suddenly appears a luxurious divan with a beautiful woman wearing very little. They look at each other and just as suddenly a crimson line appears on the floor in front of them as a voice booms, “You may go exactly half way across in one time period… Read more »
Hypergammy doesn’t care? No one cares until they are given the shitty end of the stick.
The government in tbis case SEC rarely investigates the political money donor class.
In basic terms there is no seperation between these extremely wealthy families, extremely large business and oir extremely corrupt governments (federal, state and local governments are all in on the game to some degree or another)
kfg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwSWRdbSQK0
“It doesn’t divide into little compartments. Species are not “things.” They’re processes.”
Very true
hypergamy always thinks it has the shitty end of the stick that is why it is Hypergamy.
Hypergamy just doesn’t care, period. Even if the bearer dies gunning for dick or dough. You will on occasion see a woman ditching a cool and nice well off guy to get with the dangerous rugged thug criminal type, risk and threats to her own life not withstanding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVjCRWbvM4c This painting here? I bought it ten years ago for sixty thousand dollars, I could sell it today for six hundred. The illusion has become real, and the more real it becomes, the more desperately they want it. Capitalism at it’s finest. The richest one percent of this country owns half our country’s wealth, five trillion dollars. One third of that comes from hard work, two thirds comes from inheritance, interest on interest accumulating to widows and idiot sons; And what I do, stock and real estate speculation. It’s bullshit. You got ninety percent of the American public out… Read more »
Hypergamy Dosn’t care
About…
If the housing market crash was caused by CRA, -why did a very similar housing bubble and financial crisis occur in scores of other countries that didn’t have legislation like that? -Federal Reserve Board data show that more than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions. Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year. -A couple hundred billion in defaults shouldn’t add up to trillions in financial losses. Not even by SJW math standards. If blame were entirely (or even primarily) with “bad borrowers”… Read more »
The twitter exchanges between Rollo and some woman up there are quite telling. Another good demonstration that the Red Pill cannot be discussed with a woman. It will end up with the woman placing the ball neatly on the man’s court. M: “Dread is useful for keeping up sexual arousal in a married woman” W: “Dread is not good, a man who keeps his wife happy does not need to resort to dread” M:”You cannot keep a woman happy without dread” W: “Yes, you can.” M: “No, you can’t.” W: “Yes you can.” [M: (aside)(Actually one cannot make any woman… Read more »
No way.
I think the key to female happiness is getting the guy that no one else wants.
….[/sarcasm dat]
@kfg
Life is not like a box of chocolates. It’s like a great, big bubbling pot of biological stew. It doesn’t divide into little compartments. Species are not “things.”
Begging the question.
Very sad that another male feminist is kicked out of the feminist party “No. Because in the end, Whedon chose acceptance into the category of privileged, alpha masculinity over his supposed feminist politics. That’s the choice that really tests men like him. And it’s sadly where so many of them seem to fail.” gruffy, the pussy slayer http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/opinion/clementine-ford-why-joss-whedons-treatment-of-exwife-kai-cole-matters-20170821-gy16lx.html Very popular on twitter right now: “Girls are really retweeting this and hoping that Chad who blew them off to do coke with the boys will see this and reconsider” Retweeting: “My uncle is 32 & single & he still mentions how… Read more »
@anon I think the key to female happiness is getting the guy that no one else wants. Yeah, you’ve said before that no other girl wants Mike. If the housing market crash was caused by CRA, -why did a very similar housing bubble and financial crisis occur in scores of other countries that didn’t have legislation like that? The CRA was necessary, though not sufficient. It lowered lending standards in the U.S. which ended up lowering them world-wide. Nope. It isn’t losses from CRA loans that drove the crisis (although they are disproportionately responsible for losses at some banks). Instead,… Read more »
Anon – the financial guarantee allowed CRA and everything else to proceed, as it naturally would.
Go round your nearest ghetto and offer to make some loans… No? OK then. Without coercion – or coercion masked by inducement – no banks would be there either.
-A couple hundred billion in defaults shouldn’t add up to trillions in financial losses and yet no dirt disappeared…
In the shell game, the marble is not lost, it was never there to begin with…
Crap….accidentally clicked out and lost my post. “Go round your nearest ghetto and offer to make some loans… No? OK then. Without coercion – or coercion masked by inducement – no banks would be there either.” But that money wasn’t (primarily) lost on ghetto property. I lived in Las Vegas when the crazy housing market kicked in. That was the national market on steroids. People at work were saying, “You’re throwing money away if you don’t own a couple of homes! I mean, it’s all just going up and up. Can’t lose.” And the banks were happy to keep loaning… Read more »
Thank you. There’s a very real and stubborn persistence on wanting to blame the housing crash on the poor and the ghetto. Because it’s easy and less complicated and everybody hates poor fuckers and ghettos. But it’s highly inaccurate. Doesn’t mean it will ever stop being put forth though. Poor people got houses ( along with investors and speculators ), poor people lost said houses. Poor people still poor. Period. Money was made all along the process, just not by poor people. Banks got bailouts and zero % interest rates. Poor people got lots of blame. Hundreds of books and… Read more »
You gotta love math.
Gaussian Copula Formula
Right now in South Korea Ho In Whey (just made that up), a low end office worker, can somehow afford to buy an apartment that requires two thirds her monthly income for 30 years to pay off. How is that possible? Magical solution: The interest-only loan… with the idea that paying interest on borrowed money for Ho and paying interest on a bit more borrowed money for “ownership” are about the same thing… except a rise in property value becomes personal “profit” instead of profit for the landlord… who is making that profit with one third of the investment by… Read more »
At one point I wanted to buy a property to rehab and possibility flip for a modest profit. I had approximately 200 grand for this project. I went to 5 different banks, and everyone told me they would loan me as much as I wanted for real estate. The sell was a hard sell, with all kind of crazy projections and promises. Property values can only ever go up and get as much as you can!!!! Because the market was so artificially fucked, even ‘ ghetto ‘ shit boxes were priced in the mid 300’s. I was offered loans up… Read more »
PS,
That same property sold a few years ago for 65 thousand.
Anon This will help you with the carts and horses… Starting in 1968, when Fannie Mae was chartered by the U.S. Congress as a government-sponsored enterprise (GSE), and two years later when Freddie Mac was chartered as the same, things began to change quickly. (Fannie Mae was originally created in 1938, but until its privatization in 1968 it was a part of the U.S. government). Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac created a liquid secondary market for mortgages. This meant that financial institutions no longer had to hold onto the mortgages they originated, but could sell them into the secondary market… Read more »
@Blax, @Sentient, you guys seen the movie “The Big Short”?
Thoughts on it? I thought it was a great movie, but damn sad to watch.
As an architect I have paid particular attention to the real estate market since I was rather young as my father was also in the business. If you design residential you must pay attention to the market if you want to have a chair when the music stops. To be clear, from time to time the music most definitely stops and there’s way less chairs than last week when that happens. Identifying a real estate bubble is not rocket science. When one detects irrational buying behavior en masse and prices are far outstripping all reasonable fundamentals such as how much… Read more »
@Agent P
So yes Blax is correct, it was not the fault of the poor
So, misstating income isn’t fraud? What kind of dumbfuckery is this?
Everything looks easy and obvious with hindsight.
Problem is, betting money on something going down when it continues to go up is a good way to lose your ass.
Best way to be safe is not to join the game.
But housing isn’t exactly like other markets, because everyone needs a home and if you have a family there are a lot of considerations to be made beyond just, “will I have a roof over my head?”
It’s a big quality of life equation.
/ nuff said.
Of course, we have to lay a whole lotta blame at the feet of the dumb demorat dogooders in Congress.
@ASD: “Begging the question.” No more than General Relativity was begging the Newtonian question of why Mercury moves like that. New knowledge, new understanding, leading to reforming the premise more congruent with observable reality. This is the opposite of begging the question (referring to the premise to prove the premise). The Linnaean concept of species was crude and is obsolete. He could tell an elephant and perch were different. He could tell that a trout was in some way more like perch than an elephant, and so attempt to put species in boxes and arrange them into a hierarchy, but… Read more »
“So, misstating income isn’t fraud? What kind of dumbfuckery is this?” Well misstating income is fraud, regardless of what your annual income is. Misstating income on behalf of applicants is also fraud. I think it unfair and or grossly inaccurate to paint all poor people who bought homes on flimsy mortgages as fraudsters. Something tells me they did not universally attempt to defraud lending institutions by overstating income. Yet there were many but not all instances of loan officers inflating applicant incomes in systematic ways to push mortgage products so they copuld meet aggressive sales targets. Likewise, that is not… Read more »
Starting point for the housing bubble burst:
No money changed hands. There was no money to change hands. Very little, if any, legal tender changed hands either. Not enough legal tender existed to cover the mortgage notes that were drawn.
Notes were drawn and ledgers adjusted.
People who took out these zero equity mortgages were given houses, but not money. They were given debt notes. Debt, more debt and nuttin’ but debt. They never touched so much as a dime.
Returning to Rollo’s OP for just a minute, hypergamy is a major key to a lot of issues. Failure to understand it leads to all sorts of serious errors. * MGTOW who do not understand the concept of “war brides” look at Hypergamy and especially monkey-branching as deliberate, treasonous, betrayal. This contributes to bitterness and IMO is one reason men get stuck in the anger phase. * Traditional conservatives living in their neo-Victorian bubble where women have only one mating strategy, the long term one, can’t even understand hypergamy. So they give a lot of really bad advice to men,… Read more »
But housing isn’t exactly like other markets, because everyone needs a home And a college degree! And free health care!! So yes Blax is correct, it was not the fault of the poor to the extent they were told from the government on down through the industry that, “Yes, you can own a home and here’s how”. When a sheep is eaten, who’s at fault? The sheep or the wolf? The sad fact is there is a large cohort of the population that may not be well suited to home ownership for any number of reasons, part of which is… Read more »
@Anon One of my fave moments from bubblevision was the time they interviewed a bartender and a hostess in Las Vegas who were each buying multiple houses in a new development. The down payments were the usual teasers, so these two future lottery winners were maxing out credit cards to make the down, but no worries because prices could only go up and they’d surely sell in a matter of months to bigger suckers so tra-la! Raining money! Where’s your bowl? The other moment that was just sad was the bubblevision interview with a new house owner in the Inland… Read more »
@agent P
In an environment where loan officers were hard sell pushing loans and mortgages I imagine there were also plenty of well off or middle income people who were encouraged to misstate their income or assets as it seems a lot of people knew that nobody was really checking the numbers all that well.
I knew several, lol. Investors were doing it too. As I said, there are a lot of people to blame for the Great Recession. But Blax wants to let puhr people off the hook. As well as demorats.
“But housing isn’t exactly like other markets, because everyone needs a home” And a college degree! And free health care!!” Everyone doesn’t need a college degree but (as has been noted) there are a lot of similarities in the education loan bubble. That’s another topic that could go on for a while. Pretty sure it now takes a diploma to braid hair (legally). I read a while back about some brothels in Pahrump that paid off the student loans of their sex workers. The author of the piece didn’t seem to see the irony that sex work doesn’t require a… Read more »
@Sentient
Now you’re a homeowner – err… scratch that – A College Student!
With a loan typical of a new home…but no home. Sucker!
@anon
The author of the piece didn’t seem to see the irony that sex work doesn’t require a degree.
Neither does installing HVAC or laying tile, but I know guys who did that and have college degrees. Sucker!
“Pretty sure it now takes a diploma to braid hair (legally).”
Don’t know if we’re up to braiding yet, but people have been arrested for cutting their own hair without a license.
Newly Thoughts on it? Not as close as the book, but ok. I prefer The Greatest Trade Ever. Though I am a big fan of Bury and his resolve. The trick of the shorts was not “seeing it” but trying to get a way to capitalize on it. EVERYONE saw it… I knew guys in IT at mortgage firms who said in 2006 just looking at the dates in the system of resets (for over 10% of loans) that there where going to be massive defaults. Like kfg says… the dirt is still there… the marble never was there… “the… Read more »
“Don’t know if we’re up to braiding yet, but people have been arrested for cutting their own hair without a license.”
I’m not allowed to clip toenails, that takes an advanced medical degree.
At any rate, just a few short years ago occupations that were on the job training now require degrees and/or certifications (at great expense). This has happened in a very short amount of time. I wouldn’t have been able to work about three of my first five jobs with today’s requirements.
Everyone doesn’t need a college degree but We still got debt fo ’em. http://college-tuition.startclass.com/l/3282/Tulsa-Welding-School-Tulsa $18.5K… Tulsa Welding School-Tulsa helped 942 incoming freshmen with financial aid last year Grants & Loans Out of 1,204 incoming freshmen who enrolled at Tulsa Welding School-Tulsa last year, 942 students received some type of financial aid package. Grant Aid: 826 incoming freshmen received $4,895 USD on average in grant aid. (69 percent of the freshmen class) Loan Aid: 800 incoming freshmen took $6,661 USD on average in federal student loan. (66 percent of the freshmen class) *Note that the number of students in this section… Read more »
At any rate, just a few short years ago occupations that were on the job training now require degrees and/or certifications (at great expense).
Relax… just chill out. Sign here we have all the money you need… Smoke some pot, watch some porn, borrow some money…
who would be strapped to meet the interest-only and would be blown up when the balloon came due.
But we are all equal right guyz?
@ newly
I dug the Big Short movie.
Unfortunately I don’t think moves like that pull audiences like say superhero flicks. Too bad because it’s an easy way to grasp what goes on without being put to sleep by avalanches of endless wordage.
People need that.
@redlight Whedon is a shinning example of how fat Beta chumps who White Knight for the FI are summarily thrown under the bus when feminine-primary social order sees past it for the weak Beta (feminine identification) Game it is. Just ask Hugo Schwyzer.
I should also add that the Sci-Fi/Fantasy subculture is rife with guys like this.
https://twitter.com/RationalMale/status/900012540788228096
@Sentient, I worked through the dotcom bubble. Company was bought out twice, each time giving us more stock options. I remember thinking how all the hype was like Monopoly money and based on crap valuations. One other dude and I saw it coming, so we sold all our options. Everyone else at work was calling us idiots and shit. Six months later, shit hit the fan, 80% of the people were laid off, and all those people with all those thousands of stock options were now under water. If they exercised the options, they’d have OWED money to do so.… Read more »
Another problem with housing bubbles is the shit product that gets built. It’s total crap, builders and developers skimp on everything they possibly can. So even after a bubble blows out and normalcy returns, we are all left with a bunch of shit housing stock put together by fly by night operations with no warranties, no accountability etc.
There are lots of builders who do a good job, as good a job as the developers let them do and they are to be commended but everyone gets tarred with the same brush at the point of meltdown.
“Whedon is a shinning example of how fat Beta chumps who White Knight for the FI are summarily thrown under the bus when feminine-primary social order sees past it for the weak Beta (feminine identification) Game it is. ”
Hush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDmzlKHuuoI
“I should also add that the Sci-Fi/Fantasy subculture is rife with guys like this.”
This is a huge struggle in the unplugging process for me… I enjoy reading comics and many themes stop once they pass a threshold of red pill truth’s.
Y the last man…
@asd “So yes Blax is correct, it was not the fault of the poor So, misstating income isn’t fraud? What kind of dumbfuckery is this?” One thing that I realize about the West is that for every shit happening in the West including immigration problems , there are always Western citizens who are higher up the food chain profiteering from it. And most of these happen to be whites. They get their cut masked under the “noble” ideals of affirmative action. Thats why most affirmative actions, unrestricted immigration, etc. in the end have ended up enriching the TPTB in the… Read more »
@Agent P, We are in the last stages of a fractional reserve system that can’t compound much longer. You can feel it with the massive skimming going on in multiple facets of life, like construction where they try to shave off costs any way possible. You can feel it when you wear clothes where the manufacturers purposefully use thinner, weaker threads and less suture counts. You can feel it when you pay the the same price for a products that’s been secretly reduced in size by 25%. People can feel it everywhere even though they can’t describe it, but the… Read more »
@asd You lament a lot about whites and West, so some food for thought Primary problems of West are systemic 1. As Nassim Nicholas Taleb sez, No skin in the game 2. Public corporations are also limited liability organizations i.e. In partnership the partners are liable for criminal & civil litigations. But CEO/board of public company has a very limited liability. They can take shit decision with limited downsides. 3. Investment frenzy of the Pension funds who need mandatory 8% returns and chase growth while always ending up underfunded. This money skewed the market in favor of quarterly growth companies… Read more »
Is that Jian Ghomeshi in that photo? (of CBC show “The Q” fame)
He and Schwyzer and Whedon could form a singing group “The Three Whingers”.
Since fracking is such a beloved Thing, now we can all use some Gaslight.
Careful who you’re calling white there Shv…
https://youtu.be/I3cGfrExozQ
And it’s not about the money it’s about the votes, power, because with power there is always money.
shv – I’m white, still waiting on my cut; still waiting on my White Man’s Get Shit Free card; still haven’t been invited to the big White Man meeting where all these things get decided
no poor whites got screwed over, just the other poor folks
lemme guess, you’re not white and aggrieved at not getting enough entitlements; or worse, a white apologist trying to signal your virtues
fuck off
“You can feel it when you wear clothes where the manufacturers purposefully use thinner, weaker threads and less suture counts.”
If today most people chase fashion trendz and wont wear a cloth more than 10-15 times then whats the use of having built-to-last-a-decade clothes. It eats into the quarterly profit of the shareholders(bottomline).
Though the undergarments have improved a lot in past 3 decades.
@Shv, I read a book called The Mouse Driver Chronicles. Guy thinks of cool product, researches getting it cheaply manufactured in China. Takeaway: manufacturers know exactly how long products will last. Take a bit of plastic away from this part and it will last X months, use cheaper/thinner metal here and it will last X months. Profit margin above all else, and when everyone is over their heads with debt financing, the skim gets larger and larger, and stuff breaks sooner and sooner. Debt compounding expands and quality skimming expands with it.
@Shv be careful you don’t misquote me by failing to add context to my comment. Just about everyone was culpable in some way or another. You must suspend reality in your mind to imagine you can borrow a seemingly unlimited amount of money to buy a castle and see it endlessly raise in value thus mitigating all possible risk. There may well have been fiscal ignorance involved in taking those loans, but even to a five year old it wouldn’t pass the sniff test of ethical behavior. Pretty much everyone knows there is no free lunch and if you are… Read more »
@dr zipper “shv – I’m white, still waiting on my cut; still waiting on my White Man’s Get Shit Free card; still haven’t been invited to the big White Man meeting where all these things get decided no poor whites got screwed over, just the other poor folks lemme guess, you’re not white and aggrieved at not getting enough entitlements; or worse, a white apologist trying to signal your virtues fuck off” agree with your sentiment but not the content, except the fuck off part. I did not say that all whites get the cut. The TPTB get the cut… Read more »
” . . .you wear clothes where the manufacturers purposefully use thinner, weaker threads and less suture counts.”
The less stitches, the more riches. — Brave New World; 1931
This was planned.
@agentP, “be careful you don’t misquote me by failing to add context to my comment.” I quoted asd in that quote and his insistence to focus more on poor minorities when the problem really was everyone across the entire chain was culpable. Other had higher culpability. “Not surprisingly they seem to get more rewards. that’s how the system works in its totality. That’s where leftists never do the math right, they always want the upside without any exposure to any possible downsides.” Does not the WallStreet also want the same. Unlimited upside without any exposure to downside is desired by… Read more »
shv – nice troll
all that backpedaling shit you said at the beginning, then this: “seems to be your main complaint they you are at the receiving end. Welcome tot he other end of the stick, joining the rest of the world.”
one big assumption based on nothing but my race…. right back to where you started; keep trolling dispshit, you’ll have to do better
fuck off
Agent P
There may well have been fiscal ignorance involved in taking those loans, but even to a five year old it wouldn’t pass the sniff test of ethical behavior.
Most five year olds wouldn’t take em…
One of the things I love most about finance is its ruthless simplicity. Biology played out via psychology… just like game.
Now put that five year old through a four year degree program… well now all bets are off…
@newlyaloof “@Shv, I read a book called The Mouse Driver Chronicles. Guy thinks of cool product, researches getting it cheaply manufactured in China. Takeaway: manufacturers know exactly how long products will last. Take a bit of plastic away from this part and it will last X months, use cheaper/thinner metal here and it will last X months. Profit margin above all else, and when everyone is over their heads with debt financing, the skim gets larger and larger, and stuff breaks sooner and sooner. Debt compounding expands and quality skimming expands with it.” The market ticker guy , Karl Deninger,… Read more »
@dr zipper,
you have a comprehension problem. I never backpeddaled.
You need to see my exact words in that post. Can’t help if you are reading something else altogether. You are indulging in strawman fallacy. Claiming things that I never said.
Though I cannot help if you read whites when I mention the West.
I did not assume your race.
I did troll you about being sad about not being invited to high table. Nothing more.
Shill(v)
Though I cannot help if you read whites when I mention the West.
Cause
The TPTB get the cut and they are mostly whites is what I meant.
And you mean “minorities” are the poor as well.
“And most of these happen to be whites.” – shv
if it didn’t matter to you, then why mention it?
attacking my reading comprehension won’t work either, you back-pedaled like a motherfucker
then try to hold me to a standard you don’t even hold for yourself
I don’t disagree with some of your other assertions and observations, but your conclusions about cause and effect… how embarrassing for you
fuck off
@Sentient
“Shill(v)
Though I cannot help if you read whites when I mention the West.
Cause
The TPTB get the cut and they are mostly whites is what I meant.
”
Again here, if you cannot distinguish between TPTB being mostly white vs most whites being very powerful, I cannot help you.
Your buttons are rather pushed too easily.
“And you mean “minorities” are the poor as well.”
Never contested this. Though some of the minorities have managed to sneak into high table. These are who Gerald Celente calls White shoe boys club.
“I don’t disagree with some of your other assertions and observations, but your conclusions about cause and effect… how embarrassing for you”
Minorities cannot indulge in loot without a powerful people getting a cut which includes many (not majority)white people is my assertion.
So primary culpability cannot reside with minorities alone. The enablers are also as culpable.
much closer, but what the fuck does the white part have to do with it?
shoulda stayed with ‘powerful people getting a cut’ and ‘enablers’ as the common factors
look up Charles Taylor, Robert Mugabe, Sekou Toure….. what do they have in common?
and also, fuck off
For those who don’t know, just as Rome and Ottomans were pioneers of divide and conquer policy, one of the legacy of the British/Western colonial system is to use(engineer) minorities to loot the majority. In every country possible they installed a minority to power to solder their base. eg: In Syria, the Alawite Shitte minority was promoted to power by French in a Sunni majority country. Whereas the Sunni Baath party was given power in Shite majority Iraq. Many powerful industrialist in India used to be Zorastrians which was also British colonial policy. At the same time Indians were carted… Read more »
“much closer, but what the fuck does the white part have to do with it?”
ASD started it by pinning culpability on minorities. He needed to be reminded that majority of TPTB are whites.
“Though some of the minorities have managed to sneak into high table. These are who Gerald Celente calls White shoe boys club.”
Pronoun trouble.
“look up Charles Taylor, Robert Mugabe, Sekou Toure….. what do they have in common?” They ain’t playing by the rules. Hence the Western sanctions on them. Had they invited the POTUS to dance with swords and ordered 100 bn dollars worth of US weapons , all would have been forgiven. Like the Saudis have been. Saudis hate the West more than the above people do. POTUS and the MIC of US got its “cut”, so all is well, ain’t it. No sanctions for Saudis. Who cares about the humanitarian disaster in Yemen and war crimes of Saudis and Qataris, their… Read more »
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user230519/imageroot/2017/03/09/2017.03.09%20-%20Student%20Loan%20Debt.jpg
Here… so go short it…
” . . . was also one of the often overlooked fissures in the North vs South Vietnam war.”
The “fissure” was centuries old. The north were Viets, the south were Champa.
shv – thanks for the clarification
your [August 22, 2017 at 1:11 pm] & [August 22, 2017 at 1:11 pm] posts do it nicely, I get your point
one of the things about this site is the pushback, sometimes it’s obstinate bullshit, sometimes it’s just good discourse; I always go for the latter
no need to fuck off lol
Planned obsolescence. I thought it was total bullshit when I first learned of the concept. Time has proven me wrong. This is why I have so much ‘ old ‘ collectable shit. It’s built to last. It’s why I can stand full weight on the fender of my father’s 1960 Thunderbird without doing any damage, but if anyone leans to hard on any part of my current car, hundreds of dollars in damage will appear. Circling back to houses momentarily, when rehabbing my current home, there was a 90 year old exhaust fan in the attic. I was gonna toss… Read more »
blax – funny synchronicity about planned obsolescence… couple of days ago I was chatting with the older lady cutting my hair; she was telling me about how some of the other gals discuss how to cut hair in such a way that it will need a re-cut sooner
I laughed out “planned obsolescence!”
with manufactured goods, I understand; but hair?!? had to chuckle
“The “fissure” was centuries old. The north were Viets, the south were Champa.”
Already covered under Divide and Rule tactics. This requires utilizing all available faultlines in respective colonies.
But installing a powerful catholic minority( in South) handling over industries and wealth to them while discriminating against rest of Buddhists, proceeds under the “engineering the minority” tactic.
Rwanda genocide of Hutus vs Tutsis was culmination of both of the above tactics which the independent country could not or did not rectify in time.
about how some of the other gals discuss how to cut hair in such a way that it will need a re-cut sooner
Back to the ruthless nature of… humans. applies 10X to healthcare. In any system, what games that can be played, will.
Their skin sags, so do their boobs, they get fatter and in many cases the software could use an upgrade that never comes.
“planned obsolescence!”
“Planned obsolescence.”
“Consumer driven societies demand product failures.”
We are building systemic problems in our societies because of our immoral incentive structures and then we wonder why is everything going to shit.
“about how some of the other gals discuss how to cut hair in such a way that it will need a re-cut sooner
Back to the ruthless nature of… humans. applies 10X to healthcare. In any system, what games that can be played, will.”
Again, skin in the game.
Trust but verify. We have stopped verifying and holding people responsible.
The Romans made the engineers live under the bridges they built.
The bankers committed suicide after crash of 1920s but none did after crash of 2008.
So who is this “we” Shv?