Misperceptions of the Red Pill

One of the most common criticisms of “those Red Pill guys” I read today is the misperception that any guy devoting any headspace to the nature of women, how to go about changing his outlook in intersexual dynamics or really understanding intersexual mechanics is only applying himself in order to get laid. Old school Roissy addressed this as a common form of Red Pill hate long ago:

From The Unbearable Triteness of Hating:

12. Fallacy of Misdirected Obsession Hate

Hater: A guy who spends his life obsessing over how to get women is a loser.

A guy who spends his life obsessing over climbing the corporate ladder to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over mastering guitar and playing in a rock band to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over pursuing financial rewards and acquiring resources to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who….. ah, you get the point.

I made an effort to address this in Crisis of Motive as well, however, that essay took a more general look at the reasons people behave as they do.

A common (often deliberate) misdirection is that the only purpose men apply themselves to when considering Red Pill truths is that it’s all about PUA and chasing pussy. From there the argument becomes one of men becoming ‘pussy beggars‘ because they mistakenly believe this is all that studying intersexual dynamics is good for.

I get this a lot from MRAs as well as MGTOWs and trad-con guys who believe men shouldn’t ever bother themselves with the nature of women or the underlying mechanics, and focus themselves on whatever ‘higher-order’ principles or ambiguous virtues their belief set predisposes them to valuing. Usually these tend to be old books, old social contract ideals that they believe men need to return to.

Then the focus centers on how unburdened they’ve become with women, because they’ve either given up or have otherwise dissociated themselves from caring enough to understand the nature of women. Then, a sort of self-righteous AMOGing follows in some feigned pity about how other men are stuck following their penises instead of applying themselves to whatever it is they think ought to be valued. It’s a very convenient cop out for guys who’ve either attempted to understand Red Pill truths or applied Game and failed in some capacity, or for Blue Pill men unwilling to let go of the idealism it’s taught them, but still see some undeniable truth in the Red Pill.

I find this kind of ironic when I consider how hard-line PUAs tend to value the practice and repetition of Game above (not necessarily to the exclusion of) really looking under the hood and understanding why theses same intersexual mechanics make a man fully Red Pill aware. These are the “just get out there and do it” guys, and I do see the necessity of practice and learning. However, in either instance, it becomes all too easy to dismiss a man’s interest in understanding these mechanics as being motivated by hedonistic impulses. This is half the reason Red Pill awareness is shunned in religious contexts. A good part of understanding the fundamental nature of women aligns directly with old-school doctrine, but the disqualifying concern is that men would use it for their own self-important pleasures. It’s easy to presume that all the Red Pill is about is facilitating men’s obsession with getting laid because men are taught that this is all men think about. But whether it’s in a religious context, or an old books ‘man up’ context, the element of shaming and pathologizing men’s sexual impulse to promote an ideologic bent is always there.

That’s the heart of this misperception; the belief that the Red Pill is only about banging women or it’s in some way giving men reasons to encourage them to give up on women in despair. It’s only about building a man’s life around women (pussy beggars) to the exception of all else or it’s wasting one’s life trying to understand something not worth the effort. Those are the binary rationales attached to accepting the truths that the Red Pill reveals to men. These are usually the result of some irreconcilable conflict between that truth and an ego-investment in his Blue Pill idealism.

Ostensibly, the concern stems from some ideal of personal responsibility and that Red Pill awareness is in some way encouraging guys to ignore anything like responsibility and just following their most base impulses. Anyone who’s been involved in the Red Pill as a praxeology of intersexual dynamics understands this is a wrong impression, however, it does serve to stroke the egos of guys who need an easy dismissal of the truths they’re uncomfortable with. In a sense it becomes a new form of Game to them; AMOGing those pussy beggars by being maverick examples of a guy who is enlightened above his animal sexual nature. The belief is not unlike Blue Pill men’s dedication to their identifying with the feminine as a means to make himself unique and “not like other (typical) guys.”

There are a lot of different variations of this ‘Game’. Maybe it’s the tough-guy pastor who adopts just enough Red Pill awareness to pretend he’s got the masculine experience to tell men how they ought to ‘man up’ – while absolving women of any personal responsibility in their own natures. Sometimes it’s the Power of Positive Thinking guru who plays a similar, though secular, game with his flock – if you just ‘think differently’ you’ll be unique and have no reason to “chase pussy”. Then there’s the trad-con “authority” who also perpetuates the “nothing’s sexier” myth about men who ‘do the right thing’ by accepting their own indenturement to women, but are also ‘above it all’ enough to never have to worry about the risks men put themselves into by doing so.

The Importance of Hypergamy

A lot gets made about a perceived over-emphasis on Hypergamy. While Hypergamy serves as a very important foundation to many Red Pill truths it’s not the straightjacket critics want to make of it. However, the misperception critics like to harp on is that just the simplest most basic understanding about the mechanics of Hypergamy are too paralyzing for most men. Again, it’s something believed to be deterministic to the point that a lot of men simply throw up their hands and give up. It would be better for them to stay totally ignorant (or less aware) of how Hypergamy influences not just their personal lives, but also their work, social, family and political lives. In being ignorant of Hypergamy a guy might develop some irrational self-confidence in spite of its influence that would help him.

Some critics like to promote the idea that because Red Pill awareness, as a praxeology, doesn’t plainly present hard and fast actionable solutions for men that it is promoting some endemic culture of victimhood. Thus, we get comparisons of men complaining or whining about their own miserable (often sexless) state, or the state of unfairness in a world that is aligned against them. These are the critics who want easy answers and when none come, or the ones that are obvious conflict with the Blue Pill idealisms they refuse to disavow, they believe it’s the Red Pill’s duty to give them some bullet point list that tells them what to do. Thus, the Red Pill doesn’t make it easy enough to be useful.

What they fail to wrap their heads around is that the Red Pill is not one-size-fits-all and that anyone promoting a universal cure-all is selling something dangerously close to Dream Girls and Children with Dynamite. Rather than bothering with the introspection necessary to use what the Red Pill is telling them, they seek simplistic formulas to remedy their conditions. Most critics who believe Red Pill awareness promotes a sense of male victimhood resort to this opinion because they lack the personal investment necessary not just to understand intersexual dynamics, but also the harsh necessity of abandoning their Blue Pill ideals completely.

Often enough what the Red Pill is showing them is requiring that they stare at the abyss of a past life based on Blue Pill fallacies. Solution? Conflate the praxeology, the studying of intersexual dynamics, with complaining and a victimhood belief. Rather than invest the time and attention needed to understand intersexual dynamics it’s far easier to conflate what Red Pill men debate with angry feminists’ easily disprovable rhetoric.

The Scope of the Red Pill

In the linked podcast above I addressed another common misperception with Anthony Johnson; that of the belief that all the Red Pill is about is limited to the personal situations of men. All of the misbeliefs I’ve led up to here are founded on the idea that Red Pill awareness is exclusively compartmentalized to the personal states of men, and beyond that the social and political landscape is caused by social constructionist reasons. The misperception, as I said, is that understanding intersexual dynamism is only about getting laid or complaining about not getting laid. Learning anything more in-depth only indicates some degree of obsession with getting sex.

In The Feminine Mystique I outlined the latent purpose the Feminine Imperative foments in the mythology of women being these fickle, unpredictable and unknowable enigmas to men.

Perhaps the single most useful tool women have possessed for centuries is their unknowablity. I made that word up, but it’s applicable; women of all generations for hundreds of years have cultivated this sense of being unknowable, random or in worse case fickle or ambiguous. This is the feminine mystique and it goes hand in hand with the feminine prerogative – a woman always reserves the right to change her mind – and the (mythical) feminine intuition – “a woman just knows.” While a Man can never be respected for anything less than being forthright and resolute – say what you mean, mean what you say – women are rewarded and reinforced by society for being elusive and, dare I say, seemingly irrational. In fact, if done with the right art, it’s exactly this elusiveness that makes her both desirable and intolerably frustrating. However, to pull this off she must be (or seem to be) unknowable, and encourage all of male society to believe so.

What critics and Blue Pill men do by discouraging a fully developed understanding of what makes for Red Pill awareness in men is a surrender to this unknowable social convention. Either women are unknowable or not worth the bother of men having figured out their nature the effect is the same; keeping men ignorant of how the Feminine Imperative directs their lives. This ignorance has ramifications that go far beyond just the individual man and whether or not he gets laid.

I mention this in the above interview, but what critics don’t want to confront is the far greater scope that understanding the praxeology of the Red Pill implies. Those dynamics stretch from the biological, to the psychological, to the personal and familial, to the political and the global. A man can use Red Pill awareness to get laid, deal with an unresponsive wife, challenge a female boss at work, better understand the sexual marketplace as well as the latent purposes of feminine-primary legislation designed to maximally limit men and maximally unfetter women. However, just understanding this, just discussing it or a want to have a more complete grasp of Red Pill awareness is not an effort in bemoaning a man’s state within it. This is the danger I see coming from some elements within the Red Pill community; there’s a tendency to see the education (or even the want of an education) in Red Pill awareness as some substitute for acting on it. It is not, and it’s high time men in the ‘sphere realize that Red Pill awareness, and making it useful to an individual man, consists of both the theoretical and the practical.

I’ve had critics tell me that the Red Pill is only desperate guys learning to get laid, and to them I’ll point out the recent story of Daniella Greene, the FBI translator who left her military husband to marry the very ISIS fighter she’d been tasked to investigate. Watch the video at this link and then think about how many Red Pill truths this story confirms. Think about the far greater scope and importance an understanding of Red Pill intersexual dynamics has here. Are we just going to say “well, bitches are crazy, she must be damaged” or do we see the mechanics behind her actions with a Red Pill Lens? This is only one example of the scope of the importance a developed Red Pill awareness should mean to men.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Not at all Tomassi, I’m quite proud of you.

Self contradict much? So bad at lying. Isn’t lying against your religion?

It’s those who try to transform their red pill rubbish into religion and spirituality who are on my metaphorical hit list

Dearie, you would love to turn Rollo into a bad smell in the attic because he’s getting men out of the Female Imperatives slave pens. Anyone who has read your smelly little lies for any length of time can see that. Even in your “nice” phase you are passive aggressive towards the men you hate.

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“trying to figure out how we think…gathering intel”

The main goal is to push to the point of assault,on record associating RP and the Manosphere with violence.

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I smell a fish of the species Trachurus [the] saurus up in here. It sure smells like a neo-fascist semi-orthodox para-marxian universe.

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That’s what the blind man said when he walked past the sporting house.

Smells like a good woman gone bad.

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If red pill was about getting laid, is that a bad thing? What is wrong with getting laid? Why are old women so negative about a guy getting it on with some girl? If one’s pussy gets worn out from the carousel, one should retire it quietly without much ado.

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“Why are old women so negative about a guy getting it on with some girl?”

Not to say that older women have turned to legal prostitution,but if a guy can get better for less it lowers her (older womans) chance for survival.

She would like us to believe that women are here to serve men,all the while her hand is in his wallet,and her tongue is in his head.

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Yup Stuff, if all of a sudden even average men can get laid on the regular without playing the beta bucks da womenz will be assed out and no draft horse to pull their load and more then that, da womenz will have to up their game, loose weight, not be counts etc etc

That’s some scary ass shit to your average split tail

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Found this on hormones
file:///home/chronos/u-3188c05c95c1170ad26bb5b49280102b93fe4699/Downloads/hormones_FTM.pdf
Males and a timeline
http://www.healthline.com/health/low-testosterone/testosterone-levels-by-age
Males and society (Mandates) of culture
https://www.sss.gov/Registration-Info/Who-Registration

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LOL Ton Now ain’t that a bitch,all assed out and no one to tow her.

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@ Rugby

I signed up years ago.

“On July 2, 1980, President Carter signed Proclamation 4771 (Registration Under the Military Selective Service Act) in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan,[24] retroactively re-establishing the Selective Service registration requirement for all 18- to 26-year-old male citizens born on or after January 1, 1960.[25] As a result, only men born between March 29, 1957, and December 31, 1959, were completely exempt from Selective Service registration.[26]”

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The misperception about the Red Pill being a guide to helping guys get laid clouds motivations.

Guys too often drawn to it due to a bad break up or a sexless marriage…they see the concepts as a quick fix and when they see results they revert back to their old comfortable beta ways.

Being an independent thinker who resists mainstream feminist-biased pressures to conform is at times exhausting.

That’s why you read so many guys saying they’re angry or they want to withdraw and go their own way.

Living as a man in today’s feminised world is to be a pariah.

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Living as a man in today’s feminised world is to be a pariah.
………..
Ain’t been my experience.

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“Living as a man in today’s feminised world is to be a pariah.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/6uohzc/study_group_google_hangout_3pm_saturday_london/?ref=share&ref_source=link
“Living as a blue pill beta man in today’s feminised world is to be a pariah”

Suppose i find this interesting
https://arielstess.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/being-a-man-by-paul-theroux.pdf
“It was my guilty secret, because being a writer was incompatible
with being a man.”

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Holy shit have I heard enough about tgat damn ooda loop

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Self contradict much? So bad at lying.

Maybe it’s an actual medical issue.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/schizophrenia/home/ovc-20253194

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“PayPal, Patreon, Facebook, Squarespace, Spotify, Google, GoDaddy, Texas A&M University, the University of Florida, Michigan State University, and a mountain resort in Colorado are among the companies removing white nationalists’ accounts and venues canceling their planned events in the wake of violent street clashes that left three people dead and dozens injured on Saturday. By eliminating both the physical and virtual platforms that white nationalists use to promote their ideas, those companies and institutions have curtailed the avenues by which they could grow their reach.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/how-do-white-nationalists-move-past-charlottesville-backlash

Coordinated virtual bookburning.

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damn ooda loop

Never in the field of military endeavor has so much been made of so little by so many.

OODA loop. The process unconsciously and automatically used by all humans all day long in the course of living on the planet. Some are better at it than others.

It’s right up there with the wisdom of the mighty Sun Tzu. “If you are clever and your enemy is foolish, you may prevail in many battles”.

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Boyd’s tactics were great if you’re “fighting the Nellis war” at red flag and not actually under real fire.

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On the other thread, I said the Confederate statues will be replaced by Fearless Girl statues…

Behold…

http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/maryland/emotions-raw-as-black-lady-liberty-replaces-lee-in-baltimore/464867162

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That didn’t take long…

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“I, like many MGTOW have not opted out, but understand the game, and play it by my own rules.”

There ya go.

And remember that in its formal origins, MGTOW splintered from the MRM, dissatisfied that it was going down the equalist-victim route, and chiefly wanted to advocate that men be men and women be women.

At its core MGTOW is nothing more than looking at a woman having a hissy fit and calmly, firmly, saying “No.”

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Chillingly effecient.

Coming soon to a website near you. Any possibility of anti-trust relief?

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Clearly, the solution is to smoke more weed.

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“Living as a man in today’s feminised world is to be a pariah.”
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Ain’t been my experience.

http://newvisionmiami.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Manup-2017-flyer-6-28.jpg

Care to test that?

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@Sentient:

That “African-American” woman is probably so recently American that the baby was not conceived in America. Probably only “American” in the sense that she’s on American soil, intending that the baby be born here. She’s certainly refusing to assimilate to American cultural standards.

The symbolism is rather a bit vicious.

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Coming soon to a website near you.

Predict a raft of subtle “We’ve Changed Our Terms of Service – Click Here to Proceed” emails and screen pops…

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@ASD: “Clearly, the solution is to smoke more weed.”

Well, a man’s got to get through to the next Soma delivery somehow.

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Insightful.

She’s certainly refusing to assimilate to American cultural standards.

This has been the rub though right? The Melting Pot is a Chunky Stew now meme. But the chunks are too many Beans and not enough Pork to sustain life.

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“OODA loop. The process unconsciously and automatically used by all humans all day long in the course of living on the planet. Some are better at it than others.” LOL. Boyd’s tactics may seem silly, trite and childishly over-explaining things to an Masterful Tactician in any endeavor or field. But I would believe some young military recruits don’t have a fully formed tactical brain. The same kind of decision cycle of PUA Gamers. The same stuff drilled into RSD bootcamps and drills. Writer Robert Greene wrote in an article called OODA and You that: … the proper mindset is to… Read more »

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SJF gives well reasoned defense of ooda loop. I concede the newbie angle.

Ton: Holy shit have I heard enough about tgat damn ooda loop

Once you’ve been pedantically bludgeoned by ooda loop the first 200 or 800 times, the term kind of produces an involuntary gag reflex.

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24 years on the line, couple as a PMC and I’ll let y’all guess how often we talked about shit like ooda loop or that thar Chinamam. We trained, went into the shit or spent our time trying to recover from training/ the shit or trying to live like a normal humanfuckingbeing ………………. Pussy damn near falls out of the sky like rain and lately I have been landing contracts like they fall out of the sky like rain to it and it all comes down to an unrepentant, unreconstructed and unapologetic masculine Frame. Masculinity is so rare it’s almost… Read more »

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“Once you’ve been pedantically bludgeoned by ooda loop the first 200 or 800 times, the term kind of produces an involuntary gag reflex.”

Q.E.D.

At its core, Mastery is not having a need for an OODA loop to be explained..

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@Palma Sailor:

I will, however, note that this is the primal MGTOW document, the essay that sparked the attempt to more formally create a code and resulted in the traffic sign badge.

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Well, a man’s got to get through to the next Soma delivery somehow.

think I’ll look into jobs as an internet fireman

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The rationale will be to prevent violence. Insanity needs to get on board with the new socialist/feminist narrative.

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Ok. I am all in support for “lady liberty”. But is it that the cities in the US have run out of space such that to put up a new one, the older ones must go? These fuckards are going to kill America I tell you.

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No one talks about the ooda loop because your training is designed to get inside of it by default. Plus it’s just a faggy, PC way to say surprise, speed and violence of action wins brawls

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Going to kill America? To late. America died in 1860 cause yankees wanted tarrif money and no competition to buy raw materials for the various industries up north

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“These fuckards are going to kill America I tell you.”

That is what the statue signals. Yes. That the traditionalist Ethiopian woman’s child shall inherit what is now the USA.

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That’s in no way a definition i am pointing out an Observation from what you said to what i see. What women complain about and what is. I’m not criticizing complaining or condemning MGTOW just attempting to point out how it still dosn’t work when confronted with what is in the context of the brutal reality we as a people have turned into a culture.

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Keep in mind that “your context of a brutal reality” is a factor of your mindset. Reality doesn’t care what your mind is set on. She’ll go on being indifferent to you.

This is a by product of your bad childhood. You weren’t given the same resources to have a positive mindset today.

You get to choose a positive mindset. And work your brain neuroplastically and go after a good adulthood.

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More chilling perhaps is who it is that raised it…

https://twitter.com/MrFrexit/status/898283071363059717

We have approached Mao levels of orthodoxy…

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4 This is the end, beautiful friend This is the end, my only friend, the end Of our elaborate plans, the end Of everything that stands, the end No safety or surprise, the end I’ll never look into your eyes, again Can you picture what will be, so limitless and free Desperately in need, of some, stranger’s hand In a, desperate land… The killer awoke before dawn, he put his boots on He took a face from the ancient gallery And he walked on down the hall He went into the room where his sister lived, and…then he Paid a… Read more »

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oooops forgot this part.

Lost in a Roman…wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane
Waiting for the summer rain, yeah

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palmasailor “This is a by product of your bad childhood. You weren’t given the same resources to have a positive mindset today. You get to choose a positive mindset. And work your brain neuroplastically and go after a good adulthood.” (It’s no surprise you can’t see what I see.) What do you see in your world? Hypergamy dosn’t care what i see or have been through. Its what make women who they are as well liking men for what they than for who they are. I have a positive mindset about my failures its more on the self ownership that… Read more »

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@Rugby

All that sounds like a normal modern western world upbringing,all that is missing is the having to work since big enough to walk just to stay clothed fed and sheltered.This desperation will keep ones mind off the negatives and in the what can I do’s.

Sortof a “so what” ” now what?” “problem or oportunity”.

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stuffinbox “problem or opportunity” Its all a gift i wouldn’t change a thing…. But i would show up at 3 moment’s to hold space for myself in the intense moment’s of madness and rage. I’m not unique and pain is a lesson of fortitude. Guidance helps the Journey Out of comfort experience is essential for All sapiens for Male’s it helps us Lead In times of weakness. Being weak in solitude is where it’s at. Being weak in public is not recommend intense Focus on the performance a cycle of concern… All of life is a constant Joy to learn… Read more »

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Damn rugby11 you always post a lot of stuff now I know what motivates you. Thank you. You are not unique In suffrage but you are unique in wanting to help others. Rollo great post. I don’t read a lot of red pill just your blog and Dalrocks blog. I don’t know how politics and economics and all play into it but. The rational male has helped me deal and understand my teenage daughters, ex-wife ,mother and females I work with. To say red pill is just about poon is bull shit. I was looking forward to the continuation of… Read more »

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Different men have different opinions on what Red Pill means so there will always be some misperceptions. You’ll see in commentary guys going off on women in epic rants because the subtle nuance of real Red Pill escapes them and they let anger phase rule the day. Lack of pussy is debilitating for many men. Regarding an earlier conversation about Rollo being ” attacked ” in some way because of his writings, I think that’s unlikely because his essays are more rooted in actual science and observation, and I have not read anything here as far as his writings go… Read more »

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“Regarding an earlier conversation about Rollo being ” attacked ” in some way because of his writings, I think that’s unlikely because his essays are more rooted in actual science and observation, and I have not read anything here as far as his writings go that qualifies as hateful or terroristic, no matter how loose that definition may be.”

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” There’s not anything here to object strenuously to unlike the ranting racist clusterfuck over at Heartiste.”

Sooo. As long as it’s not objectionable then we can have free speech?

Ya think those pussy hatted nasty girls aren’t going to object to TRM?

Will you say please can I have my balls back dear or pretty please?

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Is Ghost some kind of pro White signal? The Council will make the final determination after your “interview”.

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Look! A Heartiste regular!

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and salute.

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I’m a Heartiste Irregular…I don’t follow his book of regulations.

I thought that “Ghost” was someone’s moniker in another forum type.

And what the hell does “pussy hatted” mean? Do they seriously wear hats that look like cats?

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“Masturbation is no escape from the burden of performance”

I engage in emotional masturbation….lolz…I use “Red”…it really does work…jk, I have no idea about “Red”.

Shit, I think I’m still afterglowing after last night.

Injured my wrist again trying to pee single-handed.

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You should get out more…

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Sentient poon is poon. Politics is politics. Stop mixing two different sacks you can’t mix and match this it don’t smoke rite

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“Sentient poon is poon. Politics is politics.”

And they are both, as well as economics, babies, all the way down.

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“Clearly, the solution is to smoke more weed.”

Done, at least for tonight.

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In regards to the discussions about “them” coming after The Red Pill. Jordan Peterson has some perspective on that after The Business Insider reporter Steve Kovach mislabeled him and Molyneux as Right Wing interviewers ( I had to admit in real time that Kovach’s label was stupid and uninformed at the time). Peterson discussed and engaged the reporter. He discusses it here in 10:28 minutes: https://youtu.be/HxfFxhERMYY I don’t even think that the Idiocracy of Journalists on the Left Mainstream Meaning can separate “Red” and Far Right. Via ignorance. But we all know by the Original Post that misperceptions and misconceptions… Read more »

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Face Palm.

“To target a specific ethnic group of a collective crime regardless of the specific innocence or guilt of the constituent elements of that group: There is nothing more Racist than That. It is absolutely Abhorent.” –J. Peterson

And Post-Modernism Idiocy.

Name Sentient’s specific crime. Because he is privileged? Because he believes the “statue destroyers” are out to get his well earned privilege?

TRM is not a Space. If you and INaNity Bytes want a Safe Space (which is a hot kitchen), perhaps you should see a therapist before, during and after being here.

5:18 of your time:

https://youtu.be/8kqj9R19rmc

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“TRM is not a Space”

Sorry, Safe Space. Safe spaces are for SJW’s, Pussies, White Knights (and Leftist Identity Politics Nazis).

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@Sentient Care to test that? Exactly. Weird now how every discussion I have with women over masculinity tends to veer with them saying: so you’re like Trump then? I counter with “So that would make you Hillary in this scenario…you’d look great in pant suits”. Had dinner with one of my plates the other night at a seafood restaurant. She kept insisting I be a “gentleman” and serve her first. I’d carefully lay out a tiger prawn or razor clam on her plate…just as she was about to stick a fork in it I’d swoop in with mine and devour… Read more »

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I’m up front about my politics, including telling women I don’t think they should vote, own property in their own name, drive or work outside the house.

Tingles galore

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Women can be led through your frame because they are wired to respond to dominance, psychological and physical.

And they love it.

Men are harder to lead.

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Keith “You are not unique In suffrage but you are unique in wanting to help others.” I Know that…. I always have harder to internalize as a teenager and pre teen… Even as an adult i forget that if I’m not careful. Being around other men helps in the process… I don’t find it easy but i haven’t found a place where the brutal madness of life is spoken about with such up front truth. I Haven’t been around men in person in my life who has been able to share time and experience with the way the world is…… Read more »

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“Chow”??? It’s Ciao you dumb bitch.

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I don’t even think that the Idiocracy of Journalists on the Left Mainstream Meaning can separate “Red” and Far Right.

Why would they want to separate them? Do you seriously think that they are interested in accuracy or playing fair? It’s so much more effective to call them all “Nazis.”

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Who the fuck wants a safe space?

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baseball umpires…Ivanka Trump…socialists…a certain ethnic group

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“I am weeks away from shoving a giant red pill up the ass of the entire PUA movement” In saying this, I am referring to the fact that my company is standing at the axis point of two movements. The PUA movement is largely ignorant or resistant to the red pill. Nearly every “dating coach” in the English speaking world is subscribed to or otherwise familiar with our channel and brand. The rapid removal of purple pill speakers and their replacement with so many red pill speakers will not go unnoticed. It has already caused a shit storm and the… Read more »

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@Anthony thanks for explaining that, I was concerned that Tyler’s videos would now look constipated

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@Anthony: “The rapid removal of purple pill speakers and their replacement with so many red pill speakers will not go unnoticed. It has already caused a shit storm and the event has yet to even take place.”

You’re walking the razor’s edge now. Hang tough.

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for some men .. some pussy comes easily. I’ve had problems since 15 staying solo. I’ve never been a pussy Slayer.. but without fail I can’t go but usually a couple weeks without a prospect, when I’m single. IOI, for me has always meant, it’s on.. no question. In my teenage days that meant jumping the shark and inevitably suffering. In my marriage it meant hard earned long term successful followed by nuclear annihilation. Post divorce it’s been cautious indifference and moderate success followed by retained affection and a much better minLTR post mortem. The internals are polished. There is… Read more »

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Now they’re going after statues of strong, independent teenage girls who just wanted to join the army:

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/05/joan_of_arc_statue_graffiti_te.html

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Misconception are everywhere, i have been on MGTOW forums, and so called alpha male forums to find out that on the MGTOW forum these men need some psychological consultation, they started bashing me because i said i enjoyed playing the new tomb raider games, and was excited about the last of us 2 and the new uncharted lost legacy, now all my post smelled like tuna and i was not a real MGTOW……. what i can see and this is very disturbing about MGTOW is a bunch of men who just stop caring and now want to live like teenagers,… Read more »

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I meet a women a few hours ago and started talking with her she made 6 sexual suggestions without me doing much. I found myself enjoying the process more and more. I could have pushed forward but i wanted to learn about my approach and intention and observe myself as someone who i learning along the way. I used her name to start the conversation and she used mine to add a huge compliment to my eye’s. MGTOW aside… Men being men is something that is lacking at every level in society and culture. Went out with a friend this… Read more »

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I don’t know how many will agree with it but I think most mgtows are actually alpha. They are not angry at women. They have looked at the legal implications/consequences of entanglement with women (some actually suffering the consequences first hand) and come to an objective conclusion it is not worth the hustle. They just don’t care for pussy any more, that’s all. What gets some red pillers about mgtows is that they think pussy chasers are supplicators hence the ego defence reflex to put mgtows down.

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@ Rugby Since this original post is about misperceptions and misunderstandings about what the Red Pill actually is, I noticed you fed off of Rollos tweet in the comments section of Confidence and the Safety Factor about the post of what I take to be a new unknown blogger. Called: Basket of Deplorables. Rollo commended his latest post. It related to Rollo and Pat Stedman. In my opinions Pat Stedman has some great distilled stuff from Red Pill and game. Certainly resonates with me in doing MRP Game. But restrained click bait. With great stuff. But anyways, as related to… Read more »

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“You know, us old white guys that want “civilization” back in the old world European Style.”

That is the relevance of the Joan of Arc statue being tagged to be taken down.

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Red Pill: not an ideology. Not a class of men thing. Every man does differently. It does not tell a man how to operated ethically because it is amoral. Not immoral. https://rianstonept.blogspot.ca/2016/06/why-is-sexual-strategy-amoral.html Imagine a world in which you are given an explicit awareness that Macaroni Salad is available for a reasonable price at Walmart, Kroger or Aldi. At Aldi there is a big fucking tub of of 32. ounces of it for $2.45. It can keep you alive and enthuse you at the same time. There are no instructions on how to eat it ethically. You can eat it with… Read more »

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“You know, us old white guys that want “civilization” back in the old world European Style.” That is the relevance of the Joan of Arc statue being tagged to be taken down. I’m going to fiddle as society burns to the ground. I had my fears (mainly of the economic variety). But back then I read Aaron Cleary’s “Enjoy the Decline” book and realized: “It’s on.” The decline. At that time I went right to Acceptance. In which stage everything is possible. (H/T to Reality Transurfing. You Get to Choose. Choose wisely because things will come to you if you… Read more »

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Rollo Totally got it. Rugby mentioned your tweet here: https://therationalmale.com/2017/07/06/confidence-and-the-safety-net/comment-page-11/#comment-211313 That was a good distillation. I don’t do Twitter and that article was well aimed. Hit its target and I’m geared toward that market of: shit Married Red Pill. I don’t disagree on your Pat Stedman argument. I agree and can read in real time his total fucking tendency for purple pill. I really can. I can flirt with the dangers of purple pill. But I don’t have an ego that I need to kill. And Married Red Pill properly applied (Like hard core MRP Reddit, for guys that are… Read more »

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@ Rollo Pat Stedman leans in to his woman. Cause he feels impelled to. Married Red Pill Reddit Crowd never does Cause they don’t need to. Cause those guys are Straight up Red Pill to the core. I love that about them. They are great mentors that way. Big difference and big results. Married Red Pill is a super small audience (because few are not pussies). But the application of Red Pill is like a super strong lever. Because: Red Pill is a thing. But don’t tell the Main Stream Media or the Feminine imperative that. Tell them it’s Not… Read more »

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The Anna Karenina principle describes an endeavor in which a deficiency in any one of a number of factors dooms it to failure. Consequently, a successful endeavor (subject to this principle) is one where every possible deficiency has been avoided. The name of the principle derives from Leo Tolstoy’s book Anna Karenina, which begins: Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way. In other words: in order to be happy, a family must be successful on each and every one of a range of criteria e.g: sexual attraction, money issues, parenting, religion, in-laws. Failure… Read more »

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I can’t believe game needs any justification in 2017. “Obsessing about sex”? Pardon me? We obsess about sex because it is both enticing and hard to get. Period. A sub-Saharan African who is flown into Europe and just enters a buffet for the first time will also probably “obsess” over food. When he is satiated after months of daily attendance he won’t any longer. Plus, sex, taken in the broadest sense possible (i.e. reproduction), is not just a pleasant distraction, like a sport. It is life itself, ffs. It was reading Sexual Utopia In Power which made me grasp this… Read more »

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http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2017/08/19/demonstration-white-supremacy-christopher-columbus/583189001/

Columbus gets another whack… In the oppressive white stronghold of…

Detroit.

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We can either be consumed by our emotions as an unknowing victim in the blue pill fog or understand what is happening in and around us using this knowledge of red pill reality to our advantage.

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I don’t know how many will agree with it but I think most mgtows are actually alpha. They are not angry at women.

Guess you have not interacted with many MGTOW men either on line or in real life.

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AVFM address the RP misconceptions in this recent addition to their site: https://www.avoiceformen.com/a-voice-for-men/18-truths-about-charlottesville/ The attempt by the Alt-Left/FI to discredit RP is just an attempt to protect their base, which are the folks in need of RP the most. Holding people down just to protect a vulnerable voting block via identity politics doesn’t serve any community except the establishment. Fatherlessness and parental alienation are major unaddressed issues in our communities. As seen in this link, which is not in the MSM, we can all come together to address the issues of our communities locally without the need of the establishment… Read more »

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MGTOW are far from being alpha go to the forum on the MGTOW site and you will see they need serious mental consultation, and they hate women everything related to women, they avoid not speak to women….. i have been in a lot of site over the last 4y and i have read and talk to so many people. MGTOW hate or a scared of the alpha male way of life, there are different level of MGTOW, sadly i cannot call myself MGTOW anymore because i still trive in life to get better, myself mentally and physically even if i… Read more »

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“Christopher Columbus . . . He’s a central central narrative to white nationalism. He’s one of the key figures in this whole Western identity. This whole idea that the civilization of the world started in England, that it started in France, that it started in Germany.”

It was never about the Confederacy, so it isn’t stopping with the Confederacy. That’s why Joan of Arc, a young, pre-colonial era, peasant girl who never left France and was fighting to protect her home soil has to go as well.

The statement is also historically illiterate, but that too is part of the plan.

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@kfg

Civilization started in Mesopotamia and spread from there. Greece and Rome added a lot to western civilization.

Do you think that the left is really all that concerned about erasing western history or is it just using “unfairness” as an excuse for provocation? Is it strategic or merely tactical?

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