Misperceptions of the Red Pill

One of the most common criticisms of “those Red Pill guys” I read today is the misperception that any guy devoting any headspace to the nature of women, how to go about changing his outlook in intersexual dynamics or really understanding intersexual mechanics is only applying himself in order to get laid. Old school Roissy addressed this as a common form of Red Pill hate long ago:

From The Unbearable Triteness of Hating:

12. Fallacy of Misdirected Obsession Hate

Hater: A guy who spends his life obsessing over how to get women is a loser.

A guy who spends his life obsessing over climbing the corporate ladder to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over mastering guitar and playing in a rock band to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over pursuing financial rewards and acquiring resources to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who….. ah, you get the point.

I made an effort to address this in Crisis of Motive as well, however, that essay took a more general look at the reasons people behave as they do.

A common (often deliberate) misdirection is that the only purpose men apply themselves to when considering Red Pill truths is that it’s all about PUA and chasing pussy. From there the argument becomes one of men becoming ‘pussy beggars‘ because they mistakenly believe this is all that studying intersexual dynamics is good for.

I get this a lot from MRAs as well as MGTOWs and trad-con guys who believe men shouldn’t ever bother themselves with the nature of women or the underlying mechanics, and focus themselves on whatever ‘higher-order’ principles or ambiguous virtues their belief set predisposes them to valuing. Usually these tend to be old books, old social contract ideals that they believe men need to return to.

Then the focus centers on how unburdened they’ve become with women, because they’ve either given up or have otherwise dissociated themselves from caring enough to understand the nature of women. Then, a sort of self-righteous AMOGing follows in some feigned pity about how other men are stuck following their penises instead of applying themselves to whatever it is they think ought to be valued. It’s a very convenient cop out for guys who’ve either attempted to understand Red Pill truths or applied Game and failed in some capacity, or for Blue Pill men unwilling to let go of the idealism it’s taught them, but still see some undeniable truth in the Red Pill.

I find this kind of ironic when I consider how hard-line PUAs tend to value the practice and repetition of Game above (not necessarily to the exclusion of) really looking under the hood and understanding why theses same intersexual mechanics make a man fully Red Pill aware. These are the “just get out there and do it” guys, and I do see the necessity of practice and learning. However, in either instance, it becomes all too easy to dismiss a man’s interest in understanding these mechanics as being motivated by hedonistic impulses. This is half the reason Red Pill awareness is shunned in religious contexts. A good part of understanding the fundamental nature of women aligns directly with old-school doctrine, but the disqualifying concern is that men would use it for their own self-important pleasures. It’s easy to presume that all the Red Pill is about is facilitating men’s obsession with getting laid because men are taught that this is all men think about. But whether it’s in a religious context, or an old books ‘man up’ context, the element of shaming and pathologizing men’s sexual impulse to promote an ideologic bent is always there.

That’s the heart of this misperception; the belief that the Red Pill is only about banging women or it’s in some way giving men reasons to encourage them to give up on women in despair. It’s only about building a man’s life around women (pussy beggars) to the exception of all else or it’s wasting one’s life trying to understand something not worth the effort. Those are the binary rationales attached to accepting the truths that the Red Pill reveals to men. These are usually the result of some irreconcilable conflict between that truth and an ego-investment in his Blue Pill idealism.

Ostensibly, the concern stems from some ideal of personal responsibility and that Red Pill awareness is in some way encouraging guys to ignore anything like responsibility and just following their most base impulses. Anyone who’s been involved in the Red Pill as a praxeology of intersexual dynamics understands this is a wrong impression, however, it does serve to stroke the egos of guys who need an easy dismissal of the truths they’re uncomfortable with. In a sense it becomes a new form of Game to them; AMOGing those pussy beggars by being maverick examples of a guy who is enlightened above his animal sexual nature. The belief is not unlike Blue Pill men’s dedication to their identifying with the feminine as a means to make himself unique and “not like other (typical) guys.”

There are a lot of different variations of this ‘Game’. Maybe it’s the tough-guy pastor who adopts just enough Red Pill awareness to pretend he’s got the masculine experience to tell men how they ought to ‘man up’ – while absolving women of any personal responsibility in their own natures. Sometimes it’s the Power of Positive Thinking guru who plays a similar, though secular, game with his flock – if you just ‘think differently’ you’ll be unique and have no reason to “chase pussy”. Then there’s the trad-con “authority” who also perpetuates the “nothing’s sexier” myth about men who ‘do the right thing’ by accepting their own indenturement to women, but are also ‘above it all’ enough to never have to worry about the risks men put themselves into by doing so.

The Importance of Hypergamy

A lot gets made about a perceived over-emphasis on Hypergamy. While Hypergamy serves as a very important foundation to many Red Pill truths it’s not the straightjacket critics want to make of it. However, the misperception critics like to harp on is that just the simplest most basic understanding about the mechanics of Hypergamy are too paralyzing for most men. Again, it’s something believed to be deterministic to the point that a lot of men simply throw up their hands and give up. It would be better for them to stay totally ignorant (or less aware) of how Hypergamy influences not just their personal lives, but also their work, social, family and political lives. In being ignorant of Hypergamy a guy might develop some irrational self-confidence in spite of its influence that would help him.

Some critics like to promote the idea that because Red Pill awareness, as a praxeology, doesn’t plainly present hard and fast actionable solutions for men that it is promoting some endemic culture of victimhood. Thus, we get comparisons of men complaining or whining about their own miserable (often sexless) state, or the state of unfairness in a world that is aligned against them. These are the critics who want easy answers and when none come, or the ones that are obvious conflict with the Blue Pill idealisms they refuse to disavow, they believe it’s the Red Pill’s duty to give them some bullet point list that tells them what to do. Thus, the Red Pill doesn’t make it easy enough to be useful.

What they fail to wrap their heads around is that the Red Pill is not one-size-fits-all and that anyone promoting a universal cure-all is selling something dangerously close to Dream Girls and Children with Dynamite. Rather than bothering with the introspection necessary to use what the Red Pill is telling them, they seek simplistic formulas to remedy their conditions. Most critics who believe Red Pill awareness promotes a sense of male victimhood resort to this opinion because they lack the personal investment necessary not just to understand intersexual dynamics, but also the harsh necessity of abandoning their Blue Pill ideals completely.

Often enough what the Red Pill is showing them is requiring that they stare at the abyss of a past life based on Blue Pill fallacies. Solution? Conflate the praxeology, the studying of intersexual dynamics, with complaining and a victimhood belief. Rather than invest the time and attention needed to understand intersexual dynamics it’s far easier to conflate what Red Pill men debate with angry feminists’ easily disprovable rhetoric.

The Scope of the Red Pill

In the linked podcast above I addressed another common misperception with Anthony Johnson; that of the belief that all the Red Pill is about is limited to the personal situations of men. All of the misbeliefs I’ve led up to here are founded on the idea that Red Pill awareness is exclusively compartmentalized to the personal states of men, and beyond that the social and political landscape is caused by social constructionist reasons. The misperception, as I said, is that understanding intersexual dynamism is only about getting laid or complaining about not getting laid. Learning anything more in-depth only indicates some degree of obsession with getting sex.

In The Feminine Mystique I outlined the latent purpose the Feminine Imperative foments in the mythology of women being these fickle, unpredictable and unknowable enigmas to men.

Perhaps the single most useful tool women have possessed for centuries is their unknowablity. I made that word up, but it’s applicable; women of all generations for hundreds of years have cultivated this sense of being unknowable, random or in worse case fickle or ambiguous. This is the feminine mystique and it goes hand in hand with the feminine prerogative – a woman always reserves the right to change her mind – and the (mythical) feminine intuition – “a woman just knows.” While a Man can never be respected for anything less than being forthright and resolute – say what you mean, mean what you say – women are rewarded and reinforced by society for being elusive and, dare I say, seemingly irrational. In fact, if done with the right art, it’s exactly this elusiveness that makes her both desirable and intolerably frustrating. However, to pull this off she must be (or seem to be) unknowable, and encourage all of male society to believe so.

What critics and Blue Pill men do by discouraging a fully developed understanding of what makes for Red Pill awareness in men is a surrender to this unknowable social convention. Either women are unknowable or not worth the bother of men having figured out their nature the effect is the same; keeping men ignorant of how the Feminine Imperative directs their lives. This ignorance has ramifications that go far beyond just the individual man and whether or not he gets laid.

I mention this in the above interview, but what critics don’t want to confront is the far greater scope that understanding the praxeology of the Red Pill implies. Those dynamics stretch from the biological, to the psychological, to the personal and familial, to the political and the global. A man can use Red Pill awareness to get laid, deal with an unresponsive wife, challenge a female boss at work, better understand the sexual marketplace as well as the latent purposes of feminine-primary legislation designed to maximally limit men and maximally unfetter women. However, just understanding this, just discussing it or a want to have a more complete grasp of Red Pill awareness is not an effort in bemoaning a man’s state within it. This is the danger I see coming from some elements within the Red Pill community; there’s a tendency to see the education (or even the want of an education) in Red Pill awareness as some substitute for acting on it. It is not, and it’s high time men in the ‘sphere realize that Red Pill awareness, and making it useful to an individual man, consists of both the theoretical and the practical.

I’ve had critics tell me that the Red Pill is only desperate guys learning to get laid, and to them I’ll point out the recent story of Daniella Greene, the FBI translator who left her military husband to marry the very ISIS fighter she’d been tasked to investigate. Watch the video at this link and then think about how many Red Pill truths this story confirms. Think about the far greater scope and importance an understanding of Red Pill intersexual dynamics has here. Are we just going to say “well, bitches are crazy, she must be damaged” or do we see the mechanics behind her actions with a Red Pill Lens? This is only one example of the scope of the importance a developed Red Pill awareness should mean to men.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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about how some of the other gals discuss how to cut hair in such a way that it will need a re-cut sooner

Back to the ruthless nature of… humans. applies 10X to healthcare. In any system, what games that can be played, will.

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Their skin sags, so do their boobs, they get fatter and in many cases the software could use an upgrade that never comes.

“planned obsolescence!”

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“Planned obsolescence.”
“Consumer driven societies demand product failures.”

We are building systemic problems in our societies because of our immoral incentive structures and then we wonder why is everything going to shit.

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“about how some of the other gals discuss how to cut hair in such a way that it will need a re-cut sooner

Back to the ruthless nature of… humans. applies 10X to healthcare. In any system, what games that can be played, will.”

Again, skin in the game.
Trust but verify. We have stopped verifying and holding people responsible.

The Romans made the engineers live under the bridges they built.
The bankers committed suicide after crash of 1920s but none did after crash of 2008.

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So who is this “we” Shv?

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“Consumer driven societies demand product failures.” Seems to be correlated with trade with China. We’ve had a consumer driven society for a long time (though I concede, arguably more so now than ever). But things were still built to last. And people paid more for products that lasted…until all manufacturing was infiltrated with Chinese garbage (even an expensive “German” brand will have those faulty parts). The Aerospace industry learned this the hard way (in the 90s, if memory serves). So many counterfeit bolts (cast rather than forged) had flood the market planes and helicopters started crashing so they had to… Read more »

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@Shv Great comments. TPTB aren’t monolithic, but are frequently fighting among themselves. Whites also aren’t monolithic. Single white women oppose all other whites, politically. And you have leftist populists/socialists opposing the UMC. Some are entrepreneurs who feel guilty for being successful and are clueless about politics and what works. “White” muslims and asians target whites of different tribes. By “puhr” I don’t necessarily mean minorities. And most of these happen to be whites. So, some of the elites betray others with the same skin color. Shock! The west’s endgame is 1. lower population globally, 2. diversity in the West, and… Read more »

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@Shv

ASD started it by pinning culpability on minorities. He needed to be reminded that majority of TPTB are whites.

No, I said “the poor,” the majority of whom are…WHITE! I didn’t pin culpability primarily or exclusively on the poor. And I’m shocked, shocked, that so many socialists and PTB are white!

Man, you’ve got a problem with reading comprehension.

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Hypergammy does care…… about seeking out high quality baby batter that will help produce kids who can survive nasty shit. And that’s a ruthless business

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Most of tbtb are jews.

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We are building systemic problems in our societies because of our immoral incentive structures and then we wonder why is everything going to shit.

So, are you saying that people who compete are forced to cheat?

I’m sure our problems have nothing to do with socialists and their do-gooder policies. Do-gooder policies create incentive structures that are easy to game. Then everyone has to do it in order to compete. Standard conservative theory.

I notice that you avoid casting blame on socialists. They created our current mess.

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Most of tbtb are jews.

Unfortunately, lots are gentiles, but not of our tribe.

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There’s a very real and stubborn persistence on wanting to blame the housing crash on the poor and the ghetto. Because it’s easy and less complicated and everybody hates poor fuckers and ghettos.
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Folks like to dog pile the underdogs in life and let’s face most poor folks are poor because they aren’t all that smart to begin with. It’s easy for the unscrupulous to con regular folks into not protecting dumb folks because reglaur folks want to live in a blank slate world where everyone is equally smart

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You must stay up late studying to be that poorly informed

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“immoral incentive structures” :: true, but subjective and irrelevant; like Sentient said, if it can be gamed, it will be; nothing immoral about the wolf eating the sheep unless you’re the sheep

“We have stopped verifying and holding people responsible.” :: funny how this also mirrors a FI woman’s behavior when boundaries are not enforced and consequences not held; it’s just human nature… to maximize and exploit their own advantages and others’ disadvantages ie, call it Game as shorthand

uh oh, almost went on a tangent about inter-sexual dynamics, don’t get me started on that shit

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In an honest capitalist system rewards match the risks

Ain’t been no such thing as honest capitalist system in my life time. Now the shot callers have pushed all the risk down on to folksmlower on the food chain and tax payers

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I think about it like this: the Red Pill is the knowledge component, and everyone should know a little. There will be those who feel the need to make it a more consummate study, and those who just get read the facts of life by a mentor, but no male should reach adulthood without knowing the basics. Game is the practical side, the practice, the application and here you’ll have the same deal. Some guys will get the bare minimum, lock down one and try to ride it out for the long haul. Some guys will make the nuts and… Read more »

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Folks like to dog pile the underdogs in life Yeah, like socialists. They may be dumb fucks, but they at least try to help the underdogs. Some do it just to look good, no doubt. And wasn’t Shv going on about how the elites elevate the underdogs to fight the majority? I think that it’s human nature to hope that the underdog wins in the end. And maybe to give him a hand occasionally. You must stay up late studying to be that poorly informed Rupert Murdoch…Trump…the CEOs of most Fortune 500 companies are gentiles…most military politicians (general rank and… Read more »

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Now the shot callers have pushed all the risk down on to folksmlower on the food chain and tax payers

Corporations used to pay a larger share of income tax in the past. That share has dropped from 30% to 10%. 87% of personal income taxes are paid by UC and UMC–the top 40% of earners.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/45-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax-2016-02-24

45% of Americans pay no income tax…half of those don’t earn/report enough income to be taxed and the other half get enough tax breaks (maybe carry over losses) to not pay in a given year.

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I hear ya Ton, “honest capitalist” lol seems to me that any human designed thing will be less than perfect… what makes a system that leans capitalist so appealing to me is that it focuses on harnessing the human natural tendencies for acting in their own self interests (call it Enlightened Self Interest: a term I just made up); contrast this with socialism, communism, Marxism, etc that relies on everyone getting along and living by a shared sense of ‘morals’… basically acting unnaturally don’t have to look very hard to see how those systems have *always* turn out historically, I… Read more »

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I’m all about capitalism but I am not unaware about the liabilities either
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You are dumber then I thought if you thought those sorts are calling the shots

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The Fed and those who own mineral resources call the shots a lot of the time. CEOs have tremendous power, too. If you’re making 10 million bucks a year, you’ll have some power. Trump calls the shots a lot of the time. With 10 billion, he’s got a lot of personal power.

Sometimes some people with power call the shots one way and some another. Conflict.

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Non of those mentioned are in the richest 10 families. They are what we see with our eyes. They aren’t shot callers by any means.

Stop now ASD. Your arguing like a 6th grader.

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Is it 1950’s when ASD speaks, or is it just me?

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Wealth is a means to power…but not the ONLY means The Bilderbergers have the most significant power. They try to orchestrate things so that they don’t overtly step on each other’s toes…there’s also in-group intrigue among them…and they come up with a vague do-gooder mission for the group You can’t measure the wealth of the wealthiest families. They have physical assets they live off without necessarily having much income. The Waltons are thought to be the wealthiest, but I suspect they are far down the list. Soros has power and influence beyond his wealth. Carlos Slim the same. Bill Gates… Read more »

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if it can be gamed, it will be; nothing immoral about the wolf eating the sheep unless you’re the sheep

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/3d303cfc-bac6-4f68-ba61-f5168ecddb6c#S1-FNxL9d-.copy

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Dr zipper hush and quit telling this guy Shv to fuck off. This guy got a brain. Most folks can’t see the forest for all the trees. I would like to hear him out and see what he got to say. Most westerns spend every election cycle trying to figure out what Color lip stick to put on the hog that’s eating them out of house and home. I’d like hear if Shv got a cure ?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDD1tW59Mjg Gordon Gekko: What the hell do you want? Bud Fox: I just found out about the garage sale down at Bluestar. Why? Gordon Gekko: [GG looks surprised for a split second, then quietly chuckles] Last night, I was reading Rudy the story of Winnie-the-Pooh and the honeypot… You know what happened: he stuck his nose in the pot once too often, and he got stuck. [GG lights a cigarette] Bud Fox: Maybe you oughta read him Pinocchio, Gordon. [GG chuckles while exhaling smoke] Bud Fox: I thought that you were gonna turn Bluestar around, not upside-down! You fucking used… Read more »

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I would like to hear him out and see what he got to say.

Of course you would “Keith”…

Here they come Rollo…

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‘ magic ‘. Lol.

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Fiat is magical I guess.

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Is it normal for heartiste to hit a flat spot for 5 days?

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Magic? “The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn’t exist. ”

Poof!

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Stuff – no. Never longer than the weekend.

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Keith – I stand by my shv interactions… look at his last couple of posts in which his whole other ramblings were finally distilled into something less bullshitty and I actually liked the real life examples of how divide and conquer is manifest at the macro level

thanks to me pushing back on the bullshit, his point was made, not lost

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LOL Blax My paternal Grandfather with an 8th grade education and a head wound understood this shit in the 80’s ( or earlier but I can recall him in the 80’s) better then gamer and his high iq and book learning

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Is it 1950’s when ASD speaks, or is it just me?

Maybe just you. asdgamer seems to post from his own reality, another dimension.

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Fiat is magical I guess.

My 124 Sport Coupe was pretty close to magic. Those bucket seats were a little cramped, though.

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the mirror dimension, lol

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Shv is a neo-anticolonialist…a type of socialist

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Have the feminazis silenced CH? Should be something on twatter if they have.

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If you think this bitch isn’t a mover and shaker, you’re an idiot.

Katrina vanden Heuvel

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“Is it 1950’s when ASD speaks, or is it just me?”

goddamit blax, you should know better than to turn on the hot water

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“While taking questions on Charlottesville, President Trump’s response, and related tensions during an August 21 town hall, House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.) voiced support for more gun control ” “The only people giving a platform to these hate groups is the media itself and the fake news,” Pres. Trump alleges” Carol Swain The New White Nationalism in America: Its Challenge to Integration While the book stops short of prophesying a race war, Carol Swain’s The New White Nationalism in America argues that white nationalist groups like Smith’s have “the potential to expand [their] ranks among ordinary white Americans, who increasingly… Read more »

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“I notice that you avoid casting blame on socialists. They created our current mess.”

I have no issues blaming the socialists. The socialists are there to sell their ideology but WHO bought it? Its the majority of Western citizens.
The used car salesman made a sales pitch but the idiot on the other end of he deal just did not bother enough to not get cheated.

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“I’d like hear if Shv got a cure ?”

Lol, alas thats exactly what I dont have. While we dont have cure for cancer atleast its not lost on us that we can diagnoze it.
Will keep you updated whenever I get a cure.

But sometimes I feel whichever country one lives in needs to stew in its own juices before the citizens gather together to upset the apple cart.
Look the Icelanders did just that, while the spaniards are sitting on their a@@es.

Just enjoy the fall while at it.

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“No, I said “the poor,” the majority of whom are…WHITE! I didn’t pin culpability primarily or exclusively on the poor. And I’m shocked, shocked, that so many socialists and PTB are white! Man, you’ve got a problem with reading comprehension.” Maybe I did misread this post. But cannot be sure due to the sarcasm levels in it. ” @Sentient And those politics were there largely because of race. And now you’re blaming the collapse on puhr people and the democrats. Bad, bad person. Nazi! Nazi! Nazi! lol It wasn’t because of democratic corrupt politics catering to minorities. (Dam spellcorrect. I… Read more »

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With a quick internet search, Trump’s $10 billion ( maybe) doesn’t earn him a spot in the top 100 wealthiest people list. CEO’s of fortune 500 compaines aren’t on that list either unless you count guys like Gates who is both an owner and CEO ( or was)

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@ Ton It’s an interesting thing, the richest people thing. What I do know is that I will probably never know who the real shot callers are. Everybody I can see that’s ” wealthy “, they aren’t the bosses. Lol, Gates can buy Trump’s ass 8 times over ( as long as real estate doesn’t plunge and Donald’s ” billions ” turn into $1.49. I wondered what happened to the families that started, say, The Bank of London ( London Bank ) or even the Rothschild descendants. A quick look on the web says that the current Rothschilds have an… Read more »

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Oh, and I forgot to mention, these people’s wealth doesn’t hinge on markets or real estate.

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-19/

Ok, I’m finished. Now I’ll be scouring the web for the next few hours…. lol.

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I agree Blax. I have a friend who manages the money of some seriously for rich dudes and he explained to me why those lists fail to capture the truly wealthy.

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Also you cannot separate money and power

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Gospel.

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http://sebpearce.com/bullshit/ ~ another bullshit generator but with a twist – the New Age Bullshit Generator!

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The old families, Habsburgs, Hohenzollerens and the like were run out of their crowns on a rail, but they’re still out there, still controlling empires. They just sit on boards rather than thrones now.

The only way to see them is to know the names on the boards of thousands of companies, looking for the names (names that most have never heard of) that turn up repeatedly. Then you have to know all their relations as well. Aristocracy is a family business.

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One example using a unique approach, the 1427 census and 2011 census.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/627278/florence-same-wealthiest-families-600-years

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It’s pretty easy to explain the reason why critics foster these misconceptions about the red pill awareness. People hate what they don’t understand.

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Having sex with women to learn about female nature is silly and it’s also only small part of female nature. I don’t see anything ground breaking from you red pillers. MGTOW has done quite of research on female nature.

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Having sex with women is how you got here,a basic part of human nature,the survival instinct. Denying our basic instinct is akin to suicide,at the root level.

We don’t have sex to learn about female nature. We learn about female nature to have sex without getting burnt in the process.

MGTOW is a great place to start,or go to regroup. Red pill understanding helps in that a man no longer has to live in a self destructive anger phase.

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“The Red Band: A Stoic Criticism of the Red Pill by Vadim Korkhov” I’ve never seen such a clinically retarded view of Rollo’s brand of Red Pill. That’s just stupid. It’s a manufactured mish-mash of different factions in the Manosphere. It’s not at all what Rollo and TheRationalMale.com are all about. And in a want for metaphysics, Philosophy so easily turns into Ideology. And there’s lots of those. So that’s a wild goose chase. Ideologies are not always bad. Only when they are. Especially when someone else chooses one for you. But they are a top down approach to inter-sexual… Read more »

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“People don’t have ideologies.
Ideologies have people.

So beware of ideologies lest you become the property of one.”

–Undoomed

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“In the end we are all members of the so called “Dark Enlightenment”, whereas you are Red Pill and I am a Radical Traditionalist, we are both part of the counter culture now. I will be interested in reading your responses.” Counter culturalism is a top down approach. I would dare say the best tool of Red Pill against a destructive culture is indifference. New vocabulary word for today: Egregore. Egregore is an occult concept representing a “thoughtform” or “collective group mind”, an autonomous psychic entity made up of, and influencing, the thoughts of a group of people. The symbiotic… Read more »

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