
The following post quote has been making the rounds in professional circles. It’s from Sallie Krawcheck, CEO of Ellevest, an investment firm dedicated to helping women with financial investment (no jargon, no ‘playing’ stocks for sport, no mansplaining, you got this). She’s also the “chair” of Elevate Network, a global professional women’s network. I’m adding this here to make a later point, but it’s important to understand how normalized it’s become for women to create a sexually exclusionary organization for women who will simultaneously complain about men’s sexism for not accommodating their (presumably successful) business culture to the interests of women. More on that later.
I thought I’d riff on this click-bait for, I assume, professional women because I expect we’ll see more of this prefabricated outrage in the coming years as a response to what will undoubtedly be the suffering of the Trump era in America. I’ll be the first to admit I was surprised by Trump’s win, but the denial of the First Female President® into the White House will be the cause du jour for every jilted woman who believes she’s a “professional”. Even if Clinton had won the mainstream would’ve been inundated with how ‘we still have a long way to go’ stories, however, with Trump in the Presidency the same tired narrative of systemic male sexism will get reinvigorated in the coming years.
From, A Letter to young women, in the age of Trump:
When I was your age, I thought it was over. My mother was a feminist, so I wanted to call myself anything but a feminist. And anyway, I seemed pretty welcome at work. Even though it was Wall Street, my analyst class was about a third women. We weren’t just on our way — we’d arrived.
But then…there were the inappropriate pictures left on my desk. The guy miming a sex act when my back was turned. I wasn’t given the great assignments; the more senior woman I worked with was likewise dismissed as “lightweight” (and, lest you think that might have been true, that woman was Safra Catz, now the co-President of Oracle). Then the women started to fall away in their 30s…more in their 40s. But the worst of it, I thought was over.
And now Trump has made it clear to everyone that the battle for us women is not over.
In femopshere there will always be an ‘us’. As I’ve outline in many prior essays, the Sisterhood will always take precedence above religion, politics, personal conviction and even family affiliations for women. Largely this is due to women’s evolved propensity for collectivism among their own sex. In our hunter gatherer beginnings women had an interdependent need for collective support for keeping tribal cohesion as well as child rearing.
This intrasexual collective support has carried over into what’s become the Sisterhood today. If you look at the interactions of young girls and their social group interdependence you begin to see that nascent tribal collectivism naturally come through. In terms of larger societal scope this collectivity becomes about acknowledging a shared experience of an imagined oppression by men. Between all women there is a gestalt understanding of “the plight of women” and a presumption of an endemic sexism no matter how culturally or socioeconomically dissimilar those women are.
As I mentioned, Trump is now a universal icon of that presumption of sexism and oppression. Granted, it could’ve been any man who displaced a woman in the history books, but the fall back presumption is that whoever ‘he’ is, he becomes emblematic of a ready narrative of sexism irrespective of merit. We presume sexism, we presume a guy would mime a sex act behind a woman’s back and leave ‘inappropriate’ pictures on a woman’s desk despite decades of workplace harassment legislation. We believe it because it sounds right; it sounds like something a typical sexist guy would do.
I can’t stop thinking about this and what we can / should do:
Remember that gender bias in the workplace is not a thing of the past. I’m sorry if I didn’t act when I should have. I thought we had left sexism behind us by the time I was in more senior roles. After all, we had complaint hotlines and diversity plans and requirements for diverse slates of candidates for every job. But now I’m remembering one of the members of the senior leadership team who would kiss younger women on the cheek at the beginning of meetings. Creepy, right? I now wonder what was being said when I wasn’t in that room.
What’s creepy is that in spite of years in a professional field that’s been the domain of men she’s just now remembering this fact. Would it have been less creepy if he’d kissed only his age-appropriate women on his leadership team? Professional women’s default presumption is that it is always sexism that is holding them back from breaking through a mythologized ‘glass ceiling’, but as is women’s solipsism, their first thought is that their problems are caused by externalities. Never is there an insight that they may simply lack the skills or that they don’t perform at their peak in a job they were told should be rewarding to them.
Gender biases will never be a thing of the past because to suggest they ever might be so is to presume a default state of egalitarian equality between the sexes. The gender biases in the workplace are most evident in the peer selection and peer evaluations of women – not some secret group of guys getting together in a private office room to expressly talk about a their co-workers’ tits.
As it stands in today’s modern office men are scared shitless every time they are called to cooperate with a woman on work projects for fear of being accused of sexism or harassment:
“In a lawsuit-happy culture, where claims can be made on a ‘he said/she said’ basis, men are now trying to ensure their actions are always covered by a third party witness”
“The terror of being accused of sexual harassment is now so common it has its own term, ‘backlash stress”
There’s a reason HR departments are largely staffed by women, because they want to be positioned in a way that they can execute policy. HR departments no longer exist to serve the company with regards to employees, rather they exist in order to protect that company from lawsuits and enforce feminine-primary conditions in the workplace.
Ask tough questions, and call the guys out when necessary. I recently asked my best guy friend: “Do guys really talk like Donald Trump and Billy Bush behind closed doors?” His response: “No, but…” And the “but” was that the conversations are more along the lines of: “Boy, she has great legs,” or “she’s a looker” or “Whew. Wouldn’t touch her with a ten-foot pole.” When I asked him how he responded to this, he said he didn’t say anything; after all, he has to work with these folks.
But so do we. And breaking us down to our body parts or our appearance dehumanizes us in some way. Maybe it’s only in some small way. But it’s clear that for some years, we (and by we, I mean I) were likely too complacent about the inevitability of gender progress in the workplace and relaxed perhaps just a bit too much.
It’s funny and irreverent when all the girls in the office get together for drinks or a male revue strip show after work, but it’s dehumanizing when men do the same. I’ve known very few men who would ever comment on a woman’s anatomy in a workplace environment. I have known men who would scold other men for staring a little too long at a female co-worker. I have known women to actively flirt with guys and wear inappropriate outfits to get attention from them. I’ve known women who’ve called me and other men I’ve worked with their “work husbands”.
I’ve worked in the liquor and casino promotion businesses for two decades now. I see some pretty wild behavior on the part of women who are not unlike the poor victimized dears Krawcheck describes going to work on Monday mornings.
The modern workplace culture has conditioned men for fear of women thanks largely to strict codes of conduct, but also because these men have been raised from birth to be dutiful Betas and White Knights who look for every opportunity to correct a ‘typical man’ for his sexist and rude behaviors. They look for these backroom boys clubs where women are rated on their looks so as to expose their heinous misogyny and institutionalized sexism, but they are disappointed when they don’t actually find it. So instead they contribute to an atmosphere of fear in some lame form of Beta Game they hope will be recognized and rewarded for by workplace women.
If you’re in a bad work situation, it’s ok to quit. So many women think that it’s a “failure” if you quit your job; and you know how hard we females take failure. But sometimes it’s not us: it’s them.
I recently left the board of a non-profit that I LOVE. I had been on it for years (and years). At nearly every meeting I asked how much we were spending on our investment managers, in comparison to the return we were getting. Meeting after meeting I was told that the answer was complex, it was hard to calculate, it would take a lot of work – and why did it matter anyway? It was really the net returns that matter, regardless of how much we paid for them. And then, last spring, before I could bring up the topic, one of the men did; and all the other guys eagerly agreed with him, that we need to keep an eye on fees because those are really all we can control.
I quit the next week.
Life is too short, and I can have a lot more impact with the week-a-year I get back instead of being ignored in meetings.
I know not everyone is in the position to quit; I wasn’t earlier in my career. So the onus is also on those of us who are more senior to be more supportive of women who leave these situations. I am hopeful that an outcome of this election will be greater understanding of this.
If it had been a woman who’d made the same suggestion would we be hearing about this? Shit like this happens all the time in the workplace. One reason The 48 Laws of Power resonated with men so well is because it was relatable to exactly this kind of situation. Law 7: Get others to do the work for you, but always take the credit for it yourself. Sallie sees this as sexism because it happened to be a guy who pulled it on her, but would she have quit the non-profit had it been a woman who outplayed her?
This is the reality of even the most seemingly benign of companies. They are defined by the interplay of power dynamics, but when women are bested in it the sexism narrative is ready on standby to comfort and explain their failure. So it becomes OK to quit, because the environment is always sexist. The business environment is one defined by competition and this grates on women’s expectation of it to be cooperative and collective. Women like Sallie expect recognition for merit, but wish for things to be easier rather than developing the skills to play the game better.
Get yourself a senior, successful – preferably female – mentor, who can help you navigate the politics of your company. This includes the gender politics. Can’t find one on your own? Speak to HR about helping you find one; this is their job, after all.
Your company doesn’t have a senior, successful female? Get the hell out of there.
Really the only sexism I’m seeing in this piece has been one coming from and endorsed by Krawcheck. She bemoans a lack of gender equity and then suggests a female mentor would be preferable to a male one. Her sexism is blatant here – the only definition of a solid reputable company is one that ensures it has a senior, successful female in it. Since most HR departments are staffed primarily with women it’s their job to help you find a senior, successful and female mentor? I’m not a business insider, but I’m pretty sure this isn’t their job.
I made this point in Male Space, but what happens when women insert themselves into a traditionally male dominated domain is that the enterprise becomes about accommodating the female influences rather than the enterprise itself. This entire article is an indictment of this. Again, the solution to a woman’s problem of not being successful is sought externally.
Do your best to make sure that your success is quantified. Be it a sales goal, a client satisfaction rating, an output metric, a quality target. Numbers count here because they’re black-and-white, cut-and-dried. Were you successful or not? I recommend this even if you work in a “normal” company, because implicit gender biases and expectations still exist for all of us.
Solid enough advice, but it’s couched in the context of an expectation of gender biases (at least the type of bias Sallie finds unacceptable). There’re implicit gender biases, but the ones we see dominate even ‘normal’ companies are ones that favor a feminized workforce.
Think about starting your own thing. This is what’s exciting; we have the ability to start our own businesses today, in a way we didn’t in the past. Why not take our marbles to our own playgrounds and build great businesses and cultures? Our mothers couldn’t do this because the cost was so high – but the costs of everything-about-starting-a-business, including technology, people (i.e., freelancers), real estate (co-working spaces) and support services are coming down. And then no one can relegate you to the less-interesting jobs.
Women are taught that they deserve the luxury of interesting jobs. In fact this is the sole reason for even wanting to enter the workforce most times – a rewarding career that’s fulfilling, but as I wrote in She’s Unhaaapy… that fulfillment is always elusive. Therefore it must be that uncooperative men are holding women back from this happiness.
I’m not sure opening another gourmet cupcake eatery counts as contributing to the status of women in business, but I would say that women ought to be encouraged to start up their own businesses rather than rely on the proven successes of established ones to prove their business acumen. Carly Fiorina and Sheryl Sandberg are not innovators in any sense. Neither started a company from scratch, but they are lauded as powerful businesswomen because they supposedly had the moxie to compete with the big boys and their sexist enterprises – not actually as a result of their companies wanting to present a feminine-correct public image.
I would love to see women’s organic business successes despite themselves, but my guess is that every failure or setback would have some tinge of external sexism attached to them. The truth is there are very few women who actually create something of worth because the easier path to success is to create a social convention that shames men for not including women in their own successes. It will always be easier for women to appropriate the success of men rather than create anything for themselves.
I am going to go out of my way to support other women. It’s clear now: we can’t do this alone. Another woman who is promoted or celebrated or funded clears the way for another. I am actively looking to buy from women-owned businesses, which is much easier these days — Glossier, Outdoor Voices, and Project September are just a few of a new wave of startups led by women — and avoid companies that remain all-men. I’m just so over supporting them.
And here we have yet more fem-centric sexism in a piece decrying male sexism. Weren’t we just reading about how surprised Sallie was about gender bias not being a thing of the past in the workplace? Because Trump won the election she calls for a boycott from buying anything from male owned companies?
One thing I’ve always found ironic about women’s call for collective, gender-exclusionary support for other women is that women are often guilty of even worse infighting than men are in the workplace. Lets face it, women hate other women to a degree that most men are unaware of. Their capacity for sub-communication and psychological warfare among themselves makes intra-sexual competition more brutal than having to deal with any so-called sexist male co-worker. From women’s collectivist perspective one would think that women’s intra-sexual support of other women would make them all outstanding successes in business, but we find the opposite is true. Women have a very hard time making an all-female enterprise a success. Naturally this is blamed, again, on men’s sexists brinksmanship and outmaneuvering them, but by and large it’s internal conflict that destroys all-female run enterprises.
Invest. Having spent my career on Wall Street and now being the founder of Ellevest, a digital investment platform for women, I know I’m a broken record on this topic. But men invest to a greater extent than women do, and it costs us. Indeed, I believe investing is the best career advice women aren’t getting. Think about it – are you more able to tell your boss to take this job and shove it if you have more money or less money?
That’s what I thought. At the end of the day, money is the real key to gender equality.
Of course we get the sales pitch at the end. Women don’t invest because it’s not sexy. It requires a degree of commitment and a depth of insight that goes well beyond what an average woman has any interest in. I do find it entertaining that Sallie finally gets to the real reason for a gender inequality she claims she wants to see abolished. Money is most definitely a key to establishing social dominance and that creates a fundamentally unequal condition between men and women.
Businesses, successful ones, are founded on competition, not cooperation. This is the fundamental conflict we are experiencing in today’s corporate culture; women’s collectivism promotes what they believe should be a successful enterprise based on egalitarian cooperation while men largely see the enterprise as competition. Sometimes this is a win-at-any-cost type of competition, other times it may be more subtle, but the crux is that women’s propensity to want for a more collectivist approach to a successful enterprise is at odds with men’s competitive approach. Success in business is fundamentally unegalitarian, there are winners and losers, not co-equal participation trophy winners. But as women continue to insert themselves into the unegalitarian male spaces of enterprise we will see this push for cooperative hopes for business success fundamentally alter the purpose of these businesses as we attempt more and more to accommodate them.

I don’t ” whine “. I remark at how some don’t appear to have the capacity to ” listen “.
When guys refuse to listen, I’ve noticed that life continues as it did beforehand. Zero impact on me. It’s a choice.
Time still reveals all ( see Mystery circa 2016 ).
Culum but of course it was MM a decade ago, full on funny hat peacocking days and PUA code-names for everyone, not modern RSD. Some PUA historical context for those who may not know… The Project Hollywood days included Mystery, Style and Tyler, Papa and Todd, among others… Mystery screwed the pooch with how he wrote his book and ended up in litigation with co-contributors who split off to do the Love Systems thing… Style got famous with The Game, Mystery got famous with the VH1 show… but Tyler hasn’t yet gotten famous outside of PUA community. There is a… Read more »
Othergrain
And I don’t think you were seriously cheering on Mystery’s misery…but that’s how it read.
Did not look that way to me. Looked like a statement of opinion. Based on a couple of suicides in my personal circle, I concur with Rollo. Despair will kill a man.
“And all those guys seem to have gotten stuff from Ross Jeffries early on. and he probably got a lot of his stuff from someone else…”
The Godfather of analytical game is Richard Feynman, mostly in the 50’s and early 60’s; and he got clued in by a bartender.
KFG
Old Joe Weider made a science out of this.
He he he I remember those ads… and he learned from Atlas no doubt…
http://cartoonician.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/atlas-top-half.jpg
welcome Back to the Future!
Holy analogies KFG… I see a cut-and-paste frenzy from me coming on. Someone better restrain me. If you substitute out the word god and religion (and Wicca instead of RSD–but disclaimer here, I don’t know shit about Wicca) in the following Zed notes, the analogies to the recent dialogue in comments here is rather apt. (If anyone thinks I have a bias against PUA tactics or RSD video examples, you are an idiot that obviously hasn’t actually read anything I have been for in the last two years.) (Spoiler alert: abstract ideas that are analogies that can be translated to… Read more »
Sentient
And all those guys seem to have gotten stuff from Ross Jeffries early on. and he probably got a lot of his stuff from someone else…
Where does the alt.seduction.fast newsgroup fit in, or is that too 20th century?
@Sentient
Chill. I made fun of you because you’ve been criticizing RSD for a while now talking about how Papa and Owen are shady and they flip flopped on their business model and whatnot. When Rollo mentioned he wanted to meet them your default response was to presume they were somehow going to use him. It feels like every post you make comes from this low-vibrations, value-guarding snarky place.
Contemporaneously – but with bad PR
MurrayStreet
Chill. I made fun of you because you’ve been criticizing RSD for a while now talking about how Papa and Owen are shady and they flip flopped on their business model and whatnot. When Rollo mentioned he wanted to meet them your default response was to presume they were somehow going to use him. It feels like every post you make comes from this low-vibrations, value-guarding snarky place.
OK. Diagnosis complete… a hapless fuckwhit with poor reading comprehension.
Listen up fanboys – you can criticize aspects of a religion without renouncing it.
Dildo.
We need more female CEOs. presidents, senators, and network anchors.
The number of female commercial fishers, loggers, roofers, road construction workers, steel workers, sewer workers, welders, and coal miners is just fine.
@Sentient
I could post anything at this point and you would reply by calling me a fuckboy faggot shithead fuckwhit dildo poopy head bad guy and that’s kiiiiiinda weird. You’re part of the reason TRM needs a PUA subforum.
Oh no, look at all these unnecessary insults! BOOOHOOO :((((((((
@blax
You can use language any way you want, I dont care. Im telling you it has an effect on whether poeple listen or refuse to listen.
MurrayStreet
How about you actually read the comments and then think about what you are posting before posting? Thereby avoiding making an ass of yourself to start with?
Try it.
FWIW I think they DO get repeat customers on boot camp… but it’s their money and they’re free to do with it what they wish. I think that’s more indicative of the students mindests (there’s that foul word) that they think they can’t do it on their own, given a decade plus of free info out there. I don’t care about the infighting in the old PUAs, or where the info comes from… does it work? Is it true? Y’all seemed to interpret the mystery comments yesterday differently than I did, fair enough. I’m glad Rollo cleared it up, because… Read more »
Rollo on money Money, success, notoriety, are all that’s necessary to prove you’re right, at least that’s the rationale. Often this goes along with being a situational Alpha. The small business owner who has succeeded. I knew a builder like that. Or a man who rises above the others in a cube farm. Some of my friends have done pretty well in corporation land. Their success in the money realm blinds them to any other aspect of life. Often they are traditional, conservative, and pedestalizers. These are the situational alphas who tend to be totallly blindsided by frivorce. They are… Read more »
@MrT
All the OMGs get offended when YaReally talks mean to them too. Make fun of them..
Owen said at the free meeting I went to do that people should go to other instructors boot camps rather than his and that he charges $1000 more for his just because people will pay it.
Somebody at the free meeting said that owen was not the best guy to do the hot seats with because he is too manic
@yareally I hope you will be back .
Your comments are so useful. I have been following you since you crushed that Mathew king (?) dude
Re repeat customers
Globalism increases competition among huge global corporations to some extent, but it virtually eliminates competition on a local level where most everything has been homogenized.
Women’s political collectivist tendencies are useful to huge global corporations that want to eliminate borders, free flow of people, less trade restrictions, etc. Men have always been the ones who want borders to benefit themselves and their tribe.
Othergrain FWIW I think they DO get repeat customers on boot camp… but it’s their money and they’re free to do with it what they wish. I think that’s more indicative of the students mindests (there’s that foul word) that they think they can’t do it on their own, given a decade plus of free info out there. Well, sure. A crutch is a crutch. If the atmosphere in a boot camp is energizing, and some men don’t quite get to the point where they can generate that energy on their own, then the tendency to be a repeat customer… Read more »
I love San Francisco. Did my iron butt coast to coast ride there. don’t think I would want to invest my time in a seminar when I could be enjoying the city but I’m lazy like that.
Plus 3k will buy you a lot of hookers and blow
“All myths, all legends, have their roots in fact. The personalities these gods and near-gods (heroes) exhibit are based on real people who at some point in history exhibited this personality.” Warning! Incoming caveats: This idea comes from early Classical Greece. In fact, the early religions were all based on things that were distinctly not human. Lightning, volcanic eruptions, the cycles of the Sun and seasons. They needed a mental model because they were distinctly not human. So . . . gods. Inhuman gods. It was in the neolithic period, when man began taking control of his environment, that gods… Read more »
@ AR ” The fact that men who can afford to drop that kind of coin are willing to do so is more interesting to me, because a lot of those men on the vids look like former classmates or co-workers. Basically we have a cohort, maybe a generation, of nerds who are not just clueless about women, they were taught lies and are eager to unlearn the lies. Plus for every man in one of those events there’s some number who are worse off but who can’t afford, or who are too withdrawn, to even think about participating. Think… Read more »
“FWIW I think they DO get repeat customers on boot camp…” Certainly. People today only have to copy the Joe Weider model. And once you know what it looks like, you know it when you see it. “Owen said at the free meeting I went to do that people should go to other instructors boot camps . . .” Our boy might just grow up one day. Good on ‘im. ” . . . he charges $1000 more for his just because people will pay it.” Q.E.D. “Finally, there is such a thing as a perpetual student. Any campus has… Read more »
@KFG December 3, 2016 at 2:30 pm I’d actually pay $3000 to go back in time to 1979 and re-write my Humanities class essay on the topic of Did God Create Man? or did Man Create God? (and as a bonus I get to use a word processor with spell checker instead of pen and paper, and finish on a typewriter). I got a D grade on that paper and my Jewish Professor at my Catholic University was not amused by my essay. Neither was I, with a D grade in my Pre-Med career. In fact I was really pissed… Read more »
“All the OMGs get offended when YaReally talks mean to them too. Make fun of them..”
More like OMLBs. Two guesses.
Context
Darlock
http://wp.me/pXWyH-amz
Context CSP
http://wp.me/p4tvpM-1NFw
http://wp.me/p4tvpM-1NFE
“All the OMGs get offended when YaReally talks mean to them too. Make fun of them..”
More like OMLBs. Two guesses.
I think I’d be offended if I could figure out what OMLB meant. 😉
@Blax
Do you have a gif of a urine container?
“All the OMGs get offended when YaReally talks mean to them too. Make fun of them..” Not hardly. Keeping Frame is a thing. And Yeezus, someone totally fucking lost it here recently. YaReally uses tactics with interactions in comments that are better used on 7 year old girls. He doesn’t really “talk mean to them” or “make fun of them”. He uses alleged AMOG tactics. I’m sure they work in his infield, so you can’t fault him for that. But TRM is actually a different Domain and Domain Dependence is actually a thing too. https://therationalmale.com/2014/12/23/domain-dependence/ And some of these OMG’s… Read more »
@SJF
“And some of these OMG’s are actually Anti-fragile.”
Nah you guys have all been pissy fragile lil ones.
…..Ya broke you before……..then you went on said a bunch of stupid shit and called it an experiment….I honestly don’t know why your here since you don’t care about other men anyways lol
Ya broke blax twice…. Blax just got owned by Scray .
Ya Broke Rollo twice and even you guys said it was like someone took over his account.
@ mersonia
If Ya decides not to ever come back, will you go with him?
It will be nice to not have to watch you sucking his dick all the time.
@theasdgamer December 3, 2016 at 5:05 pm @Blax Do you have a gif of a urine container? When in doubt a container would probably be better than pissing into a gale force wind. No one here dislikes YaReally or his contributions. But his style is as artful as Kanye West’s. 98% fantastic artistic content (as in pick up artistry). 2% rubbing the guests at the TRM dinner table on Thanksgiving Day the wrong way. If YaReally wants to advance Red Pill manosphere awareness and Game principles, he can pay attention to the blog crowd that is actually collected at the… Read more »
@ Mersonia
Good luck with that.
@ SJF
” No one here dislikes YaReally or his contributions.”
This.
No one can ever say that I’ve said I dislike YaReally. In fact, I’ve maintained the opposite is true always.
Just some asswiping dipshits feel that they have to always Cape Up for Ya. Ya can speak for and take care of himself just fine.
I’m just not in any kind of mood to take ” internet shit “. It’s old and tired. The thread has reached it’s capacity I think.
@YaReally The hard case newbie vid and “how to always have fun going out” vids came in really helpful for me. I went out last night to a club for the first time since February…which actually was again because of your influence around that time (it was the first time out at a club in over two years). There were several points in the night where I would have just gotten butthurt and ended it if it hadn’t been for the advice on those vids. In fact, I probably wouldn’t have even gone out if it wasn’t for your input.… Read more »
“The steaks turned out fantastic.”
Well done. No, wait; perhaps that wasn’t the most choice phrase in context.
@ Pellaeon Not being snarky or condescending, for real- The talk of ego Protection is not applicable ( no matter how many times it gets attributed ), and I mean that. Lots of ” ego ” talk in the manosphere….lol. I do have an opinion though, but I don’t care if guys don’t want it. No sweat. It’s not me getting all bent out of shape. I don’t care enough about owen or rsd to really take what they do or how they do it to heart at all. It.Doe.Not.Effect.Me. I only ” caution ” guys about the ” worshipping… Read more »
Re: OP Dead on. I’ve actually been struck with how insidious the FI is. An ideology that has brainwashed millions. It’s hard to think straight about the ‘unbearable rightness of being female’ because….well, it’s literally unbearable. I’m sick of the endless excuses for any and all of women’s behaviors that now have more legal and social reinforcement than ever. I’m also sick of friends giving me shit for looking at women walking by. Like, what happened to your balls? I’m sick of seeing men live in complete denial of their desires…and not only that, but FEAR of expressing those desires.… Read more »
Context film and consent
http://variety.com/2016/film/news/last-tango-paris-chris-evans-evan-rachel-wood-celebrities-react-1201933156/
Blax said: “I’m just not in any kind of mood to take ” internet shit “.” I don’t know Blax, but because of TRM, I’ve often have excessively elated moods that I have to talk myself off of. Even despite conflicting tribes here. Like othergrain said, if you just want to reach out to owen, or someone at the RSD team, I’d suggest just contacting them. I agree that they’d likely be interested in meeting you themselves. Masculine Tribes have interesting ways of interacting. When tribes start interacting in a feminine way, that’s when tribes of men start acting in… Read more »
@kfg re: well-done: Ha! I just had a steak at a decent restaurant that was merely medium and I told them that I enjoyed the asparagus more. Learning how to cook well tends to spoil you on restaurants. “Paradoxically, the mono god of the middle east desert dwellers came about from this loss of belief in the gods as well, and so the idea of “god” had to become even more abstracted. Something that happened considerably more recently than it appeared at first glance, because everything was rewritten after that and few of the earlier records have survived.” Not many… Read more »
@Sentient
Not really interested in making an argument about it, but notice that YaReally defends concepts not reputations. The important thing to him is not reputation or self-image but the perceptual integrity of ideas that he presents.
When women think of how easy men have it they think of men they want to have sex with.
When men think of how easy women have it they think of women they want to have sex with
“,,,,and I told them that I enjoyed the asparagus more.” I have a perennial rhubarb, grape, asparagus, and blackberry patch in my garden off site. Less than one day old asparagus it quite a bit unique. It actually is quite a remarkable taste without any preparation, fresh snapped off. “Not really interested in making an argument about it, but notice that YaReally defends concepts not reputations. The important thing to him is not reputation or self-image but the perceptual integrity of ideas that he presents. This. I totally fucking agree with him in his defending concepts. At that he is… Read more »
Sure sucks when a guy discovers, to his consternation, that his creation had preceded him, and that the child was almost unrecognizable.
Despite the protestations, old guy game, when sucessful, preceded young guy game when seeking guidance in mutlidimensional life, including getting laid.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/02/world/asia/general-tso-chicken-peng-chang-kuei.html
@Forge: Here is a Proto-Indo-European word, it might look vaguely familiar even today: Dyēus That’s the god of thunder and lightening, who lived in the sky. When he became known as the supreme god the word “Phter” was added: Sky Father. Or, in more modern forms: Pater Z/Y/I/J/esus. Even in NT times Yahweh as the ONE God was basically believed by the Temple Cult in Jerusalem. The reason that Samaritan’s were “bad” is because even though they were nominally Jews, in the form of being blood relatives, tribe members, they rejected the Temple Cult. There was a smattering of Eloh… Read more »
@YaReally
If you are reading this and do decide to leave for good, just wanted to express my gratitude on my behalf and those who I know personally that have benefited immensely from your posting here and at CH. You have saved lives and I want you to know it.
If you can please get Lumpy to add Scray and HABD to the archive (assuming Scray continues posting regularly), so at least the good work you did continues in some form or fashion.
“The steaks turned out fantastic.”
It’s rare to read that nowadays.
sfer
When women think of how easy men have it they think of men they want to have sex with.
Possibly. Even probably.
When men think of how easy women have it they think of women they want to have sex with
LOL. Not even close.
@Kayos December 3, 2016 at 8:38 pm “@YaReally If you are reading this and do decide to leave for good….” I find it unconscionable that YaReally would really leave. Unless he can’t actually stand up to scrutiny. This is a Red PIll Blog. The moment that the fog of PUA war distracts YaReally from a larger realm is when he distracts himself from his mission. If he sticks to his mission, he is unlikely to have the pushback that he has had from guys like me who totally disagree with his off-topic-shit. Off topic=off wavelength of The Rational Male Red… Read more »
@Blax
@ mersonia
If Ya decides not to ever come back, will you go with him?
It will be nice to not have to watch you sucking his dick all the time.
Lol, great minds…I also tire of the YaReally cocksucking squad and their pathetic, vapid bleating.
@SJF Because of guys that can actually hold Frame. Takes me back to a time when a big strong guy…4 inches taller and maybe 25 lbs heavier…was standing next to me, smiling, and pinching my neck vertebrae. I didn’t break frame, but smiled right back at him and didn’t flinch…I moved my hand up his back towards his neck. He stopped his little shit test. I had held frame and demonstrated value. My younger brother is the only person who can break my Frame…sometimes. He was my Personal Frame Trainer ™. I started taking my Personal Frame lessons better in… Read more »
[…] Weird, I haven’t posted in this thread at all and it’s still full of petty snark, guys insulting…The RSD videos and I are CLEARLY the problem around here. But don’t worry, this’ll probably be my last post. […]
Blaximus, a less poignent view: those men who repeat Boot Camp with RSD are remaining in their comfort zone. That is, the “instructor / instructed” environment becomes comfort.
@yareally @sentient @habd I’d appreciate some feedback on a Saturday FR. Will try keep it brief. Went out yesterday afternoon to watch a game. Was planning to get the game, have 2 drinks and then head off to a party I’d been invited to. I get there and see a friend, sit down, have a few drinks and then the shooter girl crew arrives. This is made up of two girls who I have seen there twice before. The one has a 10 body but average face, the other is, for me, one of the most beautiful creatures I have… Read more »
@Rollo: it doesn’t make sense to me that you would have to pay (for a bootcamp of all things) to connect with Owen. Put it out on twitter and tag him (or whatever that is called) and he’d probably get the message and then you could agree on some meet up.
@Black Pill – good going dude. Hired guns like that aren’t easy to game, especially if they are so hot, so great work on getting as far as you did – that sounds like the “personal 10” really liked you and you had solid attraction. That said, my view is: 1. Failed the drinks shit test. You shouldn’t have bought them drinks. It’s fine to buy a girl tactical drinks to get her to stay with you after you have attraction (and you did have attraction from your girl), but sure as hell not buying drinks from shot girls *when… Read more »
A quick shout-out to YaReally!
The knowledge he’s shared here – and at Heartiste’s back in the day – helped me A LOT.
His observations ALWAYS holds true when I interact with the ladies…it’s goddamn near magical is what it is.
@pellaeon “There are PUAs out there that quite literally refer to their guru as a “god.” It’s quite disturbing. I’ve never seen anyone here engaging in such language.” I do. @SJF “YaReally uses tactics with interactions in comments that are better used on 7 year old girls.” Wonder why they work 😉 “He doesn’t really “talk mean to them” or “make fun of them”. He uses alleged AMOG tactics.” Emphasis on alleged. Or are you able to provide evidence? “I’m sure they work in his infield, so you can’t fault him for that.” If guys like the OMGs here equal… Read more »
“And I don’t think you were seriously cheering on Mystery’s misery…but that’s how it read.
and….
“Re: Mystery
It read to me as schadefreude, but I dont think theres anything wrong with Rollo feeling that way, so theres that. Might be cultural differences tho.”
It didn’t read to me like schadenfreude or “cheering misery”.
I thought it read exactly as intended.
Isn’t the red pill supposed to be about reality and results, not just wishes/ things that sound good but don’t really work (in this case, longterm “lifestyle game”)?
The proof is in the result.
I doubt mystery ever called his work (mystery method) lifestyle game. Or is this about something else?
@Softec nice op comment. The artwork for op seems to be a representation of the third world(the strong little guy) carrying the feminized modern first world countries( the fat old hag with the scales)on his back. This is a very appropriate choice for this post,although the title would read better”the unbearable wrongness,as if they were right often enough this wouldn’t be too bad. Some of the oldest wisdom ever written points to women overcoming men from the submissive position,she overcomes by being beneath.As our modern world has sold women a bill of goods that she should be the aggressor,and at… Read more »
This Trump won and it’s the darkest of time stuff is beyond my comprehension. All I can reckon is 1st world problems, they ain’t well schooled in history and folks don’t get out much. Being in the Army under clinton and obma sucked cats ass through a soda straw and I would most likely have lost my trucking company if the hildabeast won (& got her way on a few things) but that’s only one bite of a shit sandwhich not the “darkest of times”. I am somewhat anti civilization because of shit like this “we lost an election and… Read more »
Ya when obummer won you didn’t see a bunch of hard working men running around protesting the obvious fucking that was upon us..
We all just sucked it up and went about our business,and making new jokes for a leader that hadn’t earned any respect.
I’ve always had good success accusing girls in pairs of being lesbians; also I ask very well built girls about how their diet etc is going because they are still a tad chubby etc.
Got to have the right playful vibe but is been a winner for me over the years
The solution to the pressure of picking up one particular chick is to have a deep roster of plates to spin. Kind of pointless worrying about picking up one particular chick when you have 4 others willing to suck your cock on short notice
Some of the oldest wisdom ever written points to women overcoming men from the submissive position,she overcomes by being beneath.
Bitches love to top from the bottom, then their vag dries up when they get away with it
@Black PIll: ” . . . but I need to talk to the HB10 . . .” Right here’s where you messed up. Not in what you did, but in what you thought, which lead to what you did. And so, because you treated the “special” one as if she were special, and did what you know your really shouldn’t have done, you lost her anyway. Nothing gained by it. So, it’s not a failure. You succeeded in showing yourself why you shouldn’t do that. Might just as well have risked losing her by rejecting the hustle in the first… Read more »
….“we lost an election and it’s the darkest of times” nonsense. On the other hand it was a good red pill example of Trump keeping Frame in a frame-battle. As Rollo said from the start, “that election would be decided by Red Pill dynamics. Hillary played gender politics and lost.” Trump pulled the majority of women into his Frame. Hillary’s attempt at Frame pulling wasn’t as strong particularly because she is a masculine woman devoid of much femininity. @Black Pill Good field report. Classic Frame battle also. Good Luck! For some abstract reference on keeping frame it might be interesting… Read more »
From the lao tzu
“The weak and the tender overcome the hard and the strong.There is nothing softer and weaker than water,
And yet there is nothing better for attacking hard and strong things.
78.
The use of force usually brings requital”
. ” Bitches love to top from the bottom, then their vag dries up when they get away with it”
It is when they try to overcome with force from the top that the vagna never even gets wet in the first place,unless they are first overcome with male strength and this is ileagal.
@Black Pill A couple of examples of the referenced post: 17. Stop thinking you need to be an “alpha” to get hot girls — helpful at first but it will ultimately stress you out Your frame is: “I am enough.” Your frame is NOT “I’m a badass alpha who’s better than everyone”. That’s hard to uphold in the face of conflicting evidence, and will cause cognitive dissonance and stress. It’s simply: “Women and men are meant to get together. I’m a man. Therefore, women are already attracted to me on some baseline level.” That’s not a hard frame to maintain.… Read more »
@SJF @MrT Oh and Im sure you can support those accusation of domination and overruling with evidence. Of course, it’s uncontroversial among the majority here that YaReally was trying AMOG tactics (and failing miserably) on the OMGs, so it’s silly to ask for evidence for any assertion that YaReally was trying to dominate the OMGs (he already had a lot of the YSGs sucking his cock) and the commenters generally…however, he was pretty deferential to Rollo and I didn’t think he was trying to AMOG Rollo. SJF, when you’re finished proving MrT with evidence, I need evidence for your assertion… Read more »
Water is whatever the fuck I say it is 😉
At the air academy engineering dept they test plane failures,they have this tool that cuts metal with high pressure water,I’m with you on that water is a tool.
Bitches be water.
Water is pretty fascinating… or as fascinated as the adhd kid can find it
There finally got rid of that pink shit!
Hard to be taken seriously with a pink gravatar or whatever the fuck it is.
started out with a tan one and then one day everything shifted an musical chairs whamy I get pink.
stuff in box:
“Hard to be taken seriously with a pink gravatar or whatever the fuck it is.”
I just thought it was a clever play on your name. 🙂
Anon
I’m secure enough in my masculinity to wear pink but that would be a last resort to keep freezing to death.
That wasn’t pink, it was salmon! 🙂
A guy shouldn’t know the difference, but any girl who says you are wearing pink when you’re wearing salmon immediately loses her woman card.
An artist knows his colors but any guy knows you don’t eat pink salmon.
This year was a pink run year,and as the pink run early it isn’t to hard to catch what you prefer on the late run.
Still prefer sockeye the best.
I am in a quandary:
I recently ordered a cycling jersey online. The picture was red. When I received the package, it was labelled red. When I opened the package, however, I discovered it was actually a dark salmon. A salmon that leans a bit harder on the reddish side, rather than the pinkish, but salmon nonetheless.
So, do I retain my man card for being disappointed and refusing to wear it, or do I lose my man card for knowing that it’s salmon, not red?
A guy never loses a man card for distinguishing salmon from red or pink.
there should be no pink. There’s just fucking salmon.
End of story.
Unless of course, it’s on a girl…THEN it’s pink.
Warning! Incoming pedantic trivia:
The so called Pacific salmon, of which the sockeye is one variety, are misnamed. They are char. The true Pacific salmon is misnamed the rainbow trout, which differs taxonomically from the Atlantic salmon only by a couple of teeth.
@SFC Ton the plate theory is all very well and good. But I have somehow got myself into the position where I am able to approach and build attraction with girls I find really hot, but can’t close. In a way it’s worse than if I couldn’t build attraction or approach at all because I keep getting so close and letting it slip. I have considered setting up a 6 or 7 as a plate, which is doable, but I’d actually love to succeed and just bag one of these girls. @KFG it wasn’t the HB 10 who was pushing… Read more »
kfg
pink,red or salmon,all get buzzed by bees, hummingbirds,and are appealing to bears,bulls and mt, lions.Hence i would suggest only wearing those colors indoors.
If so then what is a freshwater rainbow trout.
Field Reports page is now live
Rollo I don’t see a comment box at the bottom of the FR page?
It’s on now. I forgot that pages default to no comments.
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Cool nice artwork,looks like Blackpills lucky day.
“it wasn’t the HB 10 who was pushing me to buy drinks, it was her plain jane friend.” It’s called a “tag team,” and they know exactly what they’re doing. “I am guessing there is a pattern of the 10 getting hit on while the plain jane sits on the sidelines.” Ya think? “My question is, what was my other option?” Not that. It’s what every damn smitten loser does. You are interested in her particularly because she’s “special.” The only thing that makes her special is her looks. She stands out on that basis. Other than that she’s just… Read more »
“i would suggest only wearing those colors indoors.”
If I’m wearing red, I already intend to be noticed, and moving fast.
” . . . what is a freshwater rainbow trout.”
Same as on the Atlantic side: Landlocked. Give ’em a whiff of salt and they’d run for it, but they can’t, so they don’t. Their ancestors just happened to be a bit too far upstream at a critical moment in that whole glacial retreat thingy and got cut off from the sea.
@Black Pill: she is probably not a virgin; furthermore you state that your HB10 is not acting like an HB10. That is suspicious, so one wonders how much of it is an act and because she is a hired gun.
@KFG: good advice to Black Pill, and rather easier to parse than many of your cryptic ones (I stated in the past that in some cases making it harder to parse may be better overall, but not always).
@Rollo: do you want to make comments posted in the FR section appear in the “Recent comments” list (currently they don’t)?
@ kfg Last time I went to buy wild sockeye salmon I was confused that the reddest, best looking one turned out to be steelhead trout. Big “wat” moment. Wat. Makes me want to get back into fishing. Those days are long gone. One of the only enjoyable things I ever did with my dad one-on-one was stream fishing for trout. Had some good times in the little boat too. I’ve since forgotten how to clean them but I remember my dad showing me the tiny heart for the first time and seeing how it was still beating. I get… Read more »
“Growing up without eating fish heads in this culture made it quite a daunting experience.”
If you make soups and stews, just boil them down for stock, same as for pig’s feet.
“Disappointed because I’ve usually prided myself in my ZFG attitude with trying new foods.”
The one thing I’ve outright refused was sea turtle eggs, not out of culinary fastidiousness, but because I’d seen how they were collected just a few hours before and found it too sad.
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Black pill
Next time have her qualify to you and get her to jump through some compliance hoops… After she does this a bit, then you can number close her (easier in isolation)…
And you have to game the plain one too dont forget her… Classic MM would have you engaging the plain one and negging the target showing less attention to the target.
Been radiating alpha goodness all weekend… Went out with WK buddy and his wife joined us. There was some office party going on so most of the people in the bar were part of that group. I knew a couple of them so we were chatting with them and then the owner of the bar came over and joined in. Hottest girl in the group was a 8 blonde. She was staring at me from her group down the bar. So while im still in my group we keep playing the staring game. After a bit she backs into the… Read more »
@IAS ?@Rollo: do you want to make comments posted in the FR section appear in the “Recent comments” list (currently they don’t)?”
Or have a FR Recent comments or a Recent Field Reports
We want you YaReally video:
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Came across interesting link… “Am I reacting to her? No pussy, all problems Or Is she reacting to me? All pussy, no problems Part of the reason meth dealer biker guy can have stripper pussy on lock is because she’s always trying to fix his life. He keeps her mentally engaged with his drama, not the reverse. She keeps putting so much into the relationship, and he puts in 1/10th. But it’s not because he’s playing a game. Not because he’s using dread or competition anxiety. Mr. Son of Anarchy has his own mission. The chick can only be around… Read more »