A comment from a woman on enotalone.com:
I am 31 years old, and not looking for anyone, but I have a lot of guy friends/acquaintances my age and the trend I see is a bit disheartening. There’s about 8 different ones that I know who are between 29-32 and EVERY SINGLE ONE IS DATING A 21-23 YEAR OLD.
I just don’t get it. There are plenty of women closer to their ages and single, but yet they all go for the young women. I feel kind of sad for women entering the dating market, at least where I’m from because it seems women my age have no hope in competing with these younger, perkier women.
Just a rant I suppose. I don’t have anything against younger women of course, but I can’t help but feel a bit unnerved by the trend I see here.
This is an overt observation of what women understand from a very early age – women’s sexual marketability declines with age, while men’s (should) increases as they age. This woman’s concerns should come as no shock to any Red Pill aware man. It’s the clarion call of a woman who’s aging out of the SMP and on the tail end of her Epiphany Phase.
All women have conditions (prerequisites) for men in order for them to become intimate (sexual) with them; he’s got to be good looking, he’s got to be financially stable (surplus resources), he’s got to have some status, respectability, ambition, be confident, he has to be the initiator, he’s has to be decisive, he has to make an emotional connection with her, he’s got have ‘provider’ potential,..etc., etc. And the list goes on and on for any individual woman and according to her ability (i.e. looks) to demand each condition. Each of these personal conditions for intimacy is set in a priority order depending on her ability to demand them and this demand is mediated by her age relative to her attractiveness to men.
It’s no secret that a woman’s sexual marketability declines as she ages and men’s increases as he ages. As a woman ages she progressively loses her ability to physically attract a mate (his one condition for intimacy), thus her conditions and their priority order shift accordingly because she is forced to compete with younger, more attractive women for the same pool of eligible men.
These men tend to be the ones best able to provide for her long term security and any resulting offspring. Thus, well established men (with status, money, hopefully good looks, etc.) in their early 30’s are the prime targets and the more they exemplify her conditions for intimacy, in their existing priority order, the more suitable he becomes for that intimacy and the harder she will compete with other women to achieve his long term commitment.
Pop-psychology would have us believe that women in their late 30’s to early 40’s are in their sexual prime. This may serve to increase the self-esteem of women finding themselves unable to command the male attention they did in their youth, but nothing could be further from the truth. While pre-menopausal women do in fact experience a spike in their testosterone levels and a resulting sex drive increase prior to the last of their eggs dropping, it is women between the ages of 18 and 26 that are in fact in their prime fertility stages. Women’s bodies in this age range are far better prepared for the rigors of pregnancy. At no other phase in her life is she more sexually active and most capable of commanding the attentions of the best male meeting her conditional criteria and in their most strict order. However these conditions are still mediated by her physical attractiveness – thus, if she’s fat her conditions (and their priority) will be adjusted accordingly – but she is nonetheless at her personal prime in this phase.
Unsurprisingly we see in most cultures older males striving for the attentions of the younger and more attractive females, but in western culture he becomes vilified and shamed for this – or at least that’s what western feminized women would like to be the case. The most common complaint women in their mid-thirties bemoan is that “There’s no good men” or they can’t understand why men just can’t “grow up” and find them more attractive than the young women they used to be themselves.
Increasingly, ‘careerist women’ desiring to finally start a family at age 35 find that men – particularly the ones that meet their conditions – in their age range (33-38) are not interested in women (to say nothing of ‘careerist women’) of their own age range. They’re interested in the 22 year olds who wouldn’t give them the time of day when they didn’t have the status (or maturity) that they’ve just discovered they now have. And of course the 35 year old career woman was one of these 22 year old girls, only 13 years prior, who was doing precisely the same thing the 22 year old girls are doing today.
But that doesn’t stop 30 something women from complaining about how men their age are ‘infantile’ for wanting to breed with ‘little girls’, rather than mature, intelligent, respectable career women such as themselves. They are incapable of conceiving why men ‘wont live up to their responsibilities’ and commit to a lifetime with them. They write article after article about how men are in fact threatened by their ‘successfulness’ or their ‘status’, when the simple fact remains that his breeding choices are dictated by one single condition – she’s got to be hot. Unlimited access to unlimited sexuality. The mid-thirties woman is (with a few notable exceptions) simply not as attractive as younger women.
So as an unspoken reaction to this predicament we get to see the popularity of the idea that “You can be 40 and still ‘have it'” among women. “Those men and their fragile egos just don’t know what they’re missing. How dare they be aroused by, and date younger more attractive women, we’ll show them”, they’d have them believe and pander to this dynamic while encouraging the fallacy that ‘men ought to be ashamed of their sexual impulse.
And finally we encounter the 40+ woman looking for what she couldn’t get in her 30s. Her priorities and conditions for intimacy have been altered radically now. At 40, the career woman has abandoned the idea of long term commitment; she may make up some sort of internalized blame for men not accepting her, but the truth comes that time has or is running out.
Perhaps she’s divorced, perhaps she’s a single mother, but at 40+ the importance becomes sex as empowerment for her. She still wants to know she’s ‘still got it’ and since none of the men of the age she’d like to be in an LTR with are biting she’ll be more than happy to get with a 22 year old ‘hunk’. They’re easy pickin’s since none of the girls their own age are interested in them.
They’re virile, young, dumb and full of cum. That’ll show those immature older men who don’t know how to commit! She’ll beat ’em at their own game. “Look at what I’ve got! A hot guy (relative, actually) who knows how to pleasure an older woman”; again shaming and insinuating older men’s sexual performance isn’t up to ‘women’s standards’. All conditions for intimacy and the priority orders she had before are out the window with the exception of physical attractiveness now, which, interestingly enough, has been a man’s only condition since he hit puberty. She’s come full circle, only now she makes an effort to enhance her appearance in the gym, with plastic surgery, Botox, breast augmentation, anything that will increase the attraction for young guys.
And of course the young guys are all too happy to ‘fill that hole’ (pun intended) since the effort required to get after it with the 40+ is practically nil and the rejection ratio is far lower. In addition most 22 year old guys know an LTR is more or less out of the question; they may be a booty call for her, but that’s an ideal situation for him, sex on demand with no expectation of any form of security for her. They like to make up reasonings like “she’s more experienced in bed” or “we’re both in our sexual primes”, but this just serves to justify him being a booty call, as if he’d have a problem with that.
The real irony of the whole situation is that 40+ woman is now doing exactly what she mercilessly criticized these ‘immature’, problematic 30-40 something men for doing. However, we don’t see any articles telling women to grow up, or to do the right thing or how infantile they are for sexually desiring younger men. On the contrary, they’re applauded for ‘bucking the system’ and embracing their sexual natures (as if they were formerly repressed) and “You go girl!” using isolated celebrity examples like Demi Moore fucking Ashton Kutcher as a role model.
The SMP After Marriage
For a long while I’ve been content to let bloggers like Athol Kay address sexual dynamics post-marriage (or LTR). I don’t think it’s any real secret that Married Man Sex Life has been more than compromised by a feminine-correct influence and the discussion is now directed by women’s imperatives there. This has been the forum’s state for some time now. So as such, I feel it’s kind of incumbent upon me to open myself up to addressing Red Pill issues within marriage (or LTRs) for the foreseeable future. This is just an avenue I’ll be opening up here, not a particular focus, don’t worry.
The following was a comment from YaReally in last week’s thread. I thought this more or less summed up the disconnect he believes exists between Old Married Guys (OMGs) and Young Single Guys (YSGs) who both have enough Red Pill awareness to want to employ it in their marriages as well as the plates they’re spinning as a PUA:
Keeping your 70yo wife attracted to you simply doesn’t come with the same obstacles modern men trying to keep a <25yo 8+/10 in 2016 attracted face. This is just objective reality. Again we’re happy for you and your wives that you find them attractive still, that’s awesome, but no one over at the RVF is posting your wives’ pics in the “post your idea of a 10” threads…they OBJECTIVELY have low SMV, and lower SMV than you super badasses as they age, and it’s simple logic that a a man keeping a low SMV woman is a different situation than a man keeping a high SMV woman.
This is an interesting paradox for OMGs, but I think it’s also not accounting for how sexual priorities and Frame shifts as a couple matures. The most glaring shift is of course maturing men’s SMV comparative to their wives’ will almost always be an order of magnitude above that of their wives’. As I laid out in Preventive Medicine, at this stage of maturity the task for wives becomes one of keeping that husband in the dark about his real SMV status; the concern being his sexual disinterest in her and him coming to a realization of his SMV and he leaves her for ‘younger, hotter, tighter’. Whether this is an actual threat is often inconsequential – unless that guy is so thoroughly Beta and ridiculous he’ll overtly acknowledge it – what occurs at this phase of a woman’s maturity is either a passive form of Dread or a feeling of regret for not having better optimized Hypergamy for herself so late in life.
Most men (i.e. Blue Pill Betas) never make this connection and blunder through their peak SMV years with a wife whose late-life competition anxiety sounds like nagging most of the time, or else it’s a possessive Frame grab with the latent purpose of keeping him focused on “her needs” rather than coming to understand he’s in the best position to capitalize on his SMV in his lifetime. This is actually part of the Blue Pill, feminine-correct plan for maintaining an optimal Hypergamy (or at least the impression of it) for women.
I’ve mentioned countless times on this blog that men’s peak SMV years are generally around the age of 34-38 depending upon how well he’s established himself in a variety of ways that contribute to it. As Red Pill awareness grows I (hopefully) expect more men will be able to capitalize on their moment of clarity as well as use this peak moment to enjoy and choose what’s best for themselves and their futures with regards to women. When men reach this peak it is generally a point at which women are also at their most necessitous (i.e. the Epiphany Phase). This simple matter of logistics also contributes to that man’s peak SMV in the form of making his commitment a valued commodity – presuming he’s built himself into that peak in the years prior to it.
My hope would be that men simply forestall any and all monogamous commitment until this phase, but for the men who find themselves in this peak phase while married, it is the most opportune time in which you can push the envelope with your wife from a Red Pill perspective. One grave error I think Athol Kay has made is in his “mindful attraction plan” – a feminized, feminine-correct watering down of his previous version’s attraction plan – his emphasis is to not go too overt or exaggerate a husbands SMV or make a Red Pill Alpha impression so threatening that it causes dread in his wife. I would argue that this is precisely what he needs to inculcate in his wife, and particularly if, up until this phase, she’s firmly dictated the Frame of their relationship since marriage.
I should add that this advice isn’t meant as some form of punishment or a big ‘get even’ with a man’s wife, but rather, a man pressing his SMV advantage at this point, to the point of instilling dread, will form a more solid attachment with his dominant Frame being the primary one – which is something his wife has likely craved for their marriage since the outset.
What YaReally (probably inadvertently) is revealing here is that women of lower SMV are far easier to attract and keep attracted than high (peak) SMV women. As women age that SMV advantage decreases, but the majority of men – and particularly married Beta men – still believe that their older wives and lower SMV women require the same or more attention to maintain that attraction.
Feminine-primary social conventions build this into a man’s Blue Pill conditioning so he believes that a marriage “always requires a lot of work” before and after he’s been married. This is why Athol’s Blue Pill advice of not overdoing the Alpha is so in error; it proceeds from the same sentiment that women need security during the part of a man’s life where he’s at his SMV peak and she’s at her most necessitous. A man’s “Burden of Performance” is then distorted by the Feminine Imperative to be defined as how well he will can quell his wife’s insecurities about him being in the best SMV status of his life.
Pop culture likes to call this effect “wife goggles”, but that’s a euphemism for how feminine-primary social conventions have conditioned men to feel a need to pander to their wife’s insecurity. In doing so they self-defeat any positive effect that this natural dread would benefit him and his relationship with his wife. If a man makes a conscious choice to limit himself in the phase of his life where he can best capitalize on his peak SMV this lifts the burden of a woman being the focus of him having to do so to make her feel secure.
And all of this has been about married men; feminine-primary social conventions have a whole set of social dictates intended to get a single man in this phase of life to willfully limit his own options. This is why we get shaming tactics and presumptions of ego-centrism for men in this demographic. This is why they’re called commit-o-phobes; because the hope is that these men will feel some measure of inappropriateness about their natural sexual impulses and choose an older women as a choice of mate. A woman who, again, is at her most necessitous and insecure about her future in the SMP or her long term prospectives.
@Anon – Giggling at your pretensions. That guy you are protecting from the Red Pill may actually internalize it versus what you’ve done and go find some young pussy on the side that makes him giddy. He may discover that marriage and monogamy are a way of denying men their natural impulsed to turn them into service animals and go fuck some young hotties.
He might actually digest the Red Pill.
@Rollo – Would you consider banning Scray?
The problem with this alpha/beta provisioning debate is that it’s way too theoretical. I’ve posted examples. I do things for girls, I pay for the girls I’m seeing: dinner, cooking, whatever…but they also contribute. The bigger “tell” is who comes over…who texts first…who makes the effort to fix things when there’s an argument or disagreement…. Guys have to LEAD…Rollo stated earlier is providing for your family “beta”? Doing something nice in and of itself is not a “BETA TELL”. It’s about the mindset, it’s about the intent, it’s about clarity. Is it “beta” to have a 3-date rule? I go… Read more »
A point of order for all here. Word parsing casual conversation and comments isn’t a productive way to argue. Only if we are writing terse, well edited and refined text, such as in an academic paper can you really do this effectively. Get the gist of what people are saying and deal with that, not the worst possible interpretation you can come up with of bits and fragments of commentary written in a stream of consciousness.
Or continue being tedious cunts. Your choice.
@Rollo – At what point does Scray become a troll?
I think the fact that “fake it till you make it” works is actually evidence that Alpha is a set of traits and actions. Mindset is important because it makes a lot of these actions run on autopilot. So you’d want to develop Sentient’s DPA just so that you don’t have to think about those actions in field but I don’t think it can make all your actions Alpha. If we were to take a survey of Alphas, a lot of them will be performing the same actions which we can term alpha more than the ones we’ve classed as… Read more »
I only ban for spam (and pathological liars). YaReally is borderline on spamming for RSD in EVERY post, but I allow it because I think it’s at least a good explanation of PUA in practice if not necessarily in theory. So, no I wont ban Scray unless it get to be spammy. That said, both PUAs and MGTOW are at least agreed on one thing; they both think that marriage (and/or provisioning) is inherently Beta. If anyone reading thinks that ought to disqualify my 14+ years of writing about what I do, you’re free to cough up $2,950 for the… Read more »
@Scribbleberg
…usually its the trolls who misspell names on purpose and go on rants …..but just get better man if it helps your trauma keep venting at me. Whatever keeps you alive
@wala
It’s about a balance….too much [alpha] and the girl gets frustrated…too much [beta] and the girl gets bored.
FYP.
@Scray, Beta isn’t boredom to women, it’s disgust.
Seriously folks, imagine how much more productive and interesting this conversation would be without Scray? And he does it over and over and over again. Is he a net positive? I’m at the point where I believe he is not. Perhaps it’s just me…
@Anon Reader “That’s the issue. I don’t want to feed RP to some man only to have him become miserable in a different way because of his own internal code of behavior.” It’s probably good news that he made it to that point to begin with. Without the understanding that he has options and without the Red Pill, he probably would have developed ulcers or cancer from all the persistent negativity. Trust me, once he’s over the fact “they” literally “fall in love” in an opportunistic way, he should begin to reprogram himself to see women in a new and… Read more »
@Mersonia – Been lapping guys like you my whole life. Easy work, even with my challenges. Imagine if I hadn’t been beaten like a bad puppy and sexually abused? Lol. Have a nice day.
@Rollo – Serious question. Starting inane, unproductive arguments and being unnecessarily insulting on every thread isn’t as destructive to the dialog here as spamming?
“@HABD – I can’t possibly thank you enough. Thanks for making the effort, it’s hard to put into words how grateful I am.” Also want to pat HABD on the back for this. As a win for the manosphere. Your dissertation on this in the last thread on Please, Break Up With Me! was a great comment. (or comments?) Currently I don’t have anything to actually work on or work out in terms of kinks or seriously bad issues in my realm. But I liked the tangent on REM sleep. To work out fears and to have a guy’s soul… Read more »
@Scrib
He IS a net positive. He’s a former moron turn fucker and he’s got so much going for him he thinks he can take you to school.
I’m not saying he’s right or wrong, but I look forward to reading him(and you).
I’m smarter for it each time.
@Kayos ” I’ll encourage you to view your past interactions through this lens and see if it contradicts anything or better explains things you’ve seen in field.” I was thinking about the whole ” drinks ” thing earlier today before hackers attempted to besiege my phone/comm systems. So quickly- I’ve probably bought an ocean of drinks over my lifetime. The last time I purchased a drink for a female that was not wedded to me was a little over a month ago. The previous ones are kinda blurry in memory because it was nothing special. If I happen to be… Read more »
@blax “Question: Where does the ” Fake it till you make it ” saying come from? And what exactly is being ” faked “?” Insecure guys with no game dont have natural tendecies to look people in the eye for instance. They would rather lie in fetal position and cry. When they choose to do it despite their emotions, they are faking confidence. But after a while it becomes internalized. Same with most concepts regarding game. I see it the same way as in learning a nutmeg in soccer. You cant do it at first, so you trying it over… Read more »
*not to look people in the eye
MrT
Lots of guys will rationalize away their lifes, because alpha is doing whatever you want to do whenever you want to do. That is at least scrays position.
And he is wrong… doing whatever you want to do whenever you want to do it is The Platinum Rule.
@ scrib Nice to have you back brother. I don’t think scray ( or anyone…except Emily…lol ) should be banned. Scray is just being scray. He is just a contrary guy, from what I’ve come to know about him here. If 10 guys agree that the sun is hot, scray will show up and post a gif, and disagree. I don’t think he actually sees his insults as such. Or maybe he does. Sentient made a reference to scray’s ” story ” and I recall it also. So in a way, I give him a ” chip on shoulder ”… Read more »
MrT
Me sharing my life would serve no purpose but character assasinations.
Is this projection? Most people would think it a good idea to understand a speakers point of view from understanding their experience. Curious why you would think so little of your character and experience? On an anonymous blog yet?
@sentient
LSE probably
@ MrT
Thanks.
@sentient
“LSE probably”
You should work through it… fake it until you make it…
Rollo No one here is discounting your writing by saying marriage and provisioning for your spawn is beta. Excuse my hubris by directing you to your own essay, but I think you explain what’s happening here pretty concisely. https://therationalmale.com/2012/02/21/defining-alpha/ “…the terms Alpha and Beta are good reference points in assessing the characteristics that women find arousing in men for both short and long term mating strategies.” kfg, THAT is the definition we’ve ALL been operating under for 4+ days now, yet today, you start saying the social hierarchy definition is the only one that matters. “For the record, at points… Read more »
@sentient
On it boss.
@ Sentient ” Is this projection? Most people would think it a good idea to understand a speakers point of view from understanding their experience. Curious why you would think so little of your character and experience? On an anonymous blog yet?” this. A guy’s experience is kind of crucial. Lord knows I have been accused of keyboard jockeying enough here no matter what I share, and the sharing has been used against me…innocently of course ( fucking your old, fat, ugly wives that nobody wants….). It’s easier to talk shit if your a little mysterious I guess. I’ve mulled… Read more »
“I don’t think scray should be banned. Scray is just being scray.” I agree. How else are we to practice our responding to shit tests among men (with a Rolodex of responses) here? It’s just mettle testing. A useful foil is a useful foil. Just be thankful that he isn’t so quick on the uptake of ideas. @walawala “The problem with this alpha/beta provisioning debate is that it’s way too theoretical.” Thanks for re-iterating my earlier comment about the Hume Fork. “In every sexual situation it’s about giving and take. No one person can consistently “Take”…”. Here is an exposition… Read more »
” . . . today, you start saying the social hierarchy definition is the only one that matters.”
Nope.
Anonymity is a double edged sword…4chan, YouTube comments, etc. are prime examples of the downsides, but that’s a far cry from this comment section. On the other hand, a person’s background can be used against them to try and discredit their argument. See Sentient linking to Scray’s FIRST EVER POST on a RP site to patronize him and discredit his comment last week. Implying he didn’t have the life-experience and he’s out of his depth on the topic.
“….a person’s background can be used against them to try and discredit their argument.”
Which is exactly why Sentient is trying to elicit that background statement.
And that is why some of us have actually revealed some of our background–to make our statements more congruent and genuine.
I thought there was a bias against KJing.
@ othergrain
Question, how old are you?
Not jabbing, just asking.
Blax Late 20s for what it’s worth SJF “Which is exactly why Sentient is trying to elicit that background statement.” So he can use it against him? Not following your logic there. Keyboard Jockeying simply means that what you’re espousing hasn’t been been field tested, verified, tested for falsifiability. If what someone claims holds up in the field (SMP) than it is more than a KJ theory (still open to refutation, but now with supporting evidence). That person’s background is irrelevant once it’s fully fleshed out. There’s a reason techniques were tested under different conditions: “try it on 10 hot… Read more »
@AR
“That’s the issue. I don’t want to feed RP to some man only to have him become miserable in a different way because of his own internal code of behavior.”
my bad… I read that wrong…
let me think about it…
good luck!
Othergrain Implying he didn’t have the life-experience and he’s out of his depth on the topic. These Alpha PUA’s are so fragile…? OMG the FIRST EVER [all caps?]… One could be proud of their experience, or not… that is on you. If your narrative is you are a 26YO single guy, that is your narrative… there are certain realities that come from that. You can learn a lot in a few years, but ya can’t learn everything… though you think you might. And if your OWN [all caps] experience is a discredit to your argument.. that is a sign. Do… Read more »
It’s especially amusing Othergrain with the persistent negative distortion of the “Old Married Guys” age and experience…
@scribblerg
“Thanks for making the effort, it’s hard to put into words how grateful I am.”
check the last thread. I don’t know if you saw my last one…
good luck !
@ Sentient I was gonna ask a few questions, but these cats seem very apprehensive about talking about themselves or their stories. I mean, I get the whole ” I’m scared of doxing ” narrative, but this setting is pretty anonymous. Idk, they must have something to say about life besides what pua’s think or say. @ othergrain It’s cool man. You seem uncomfortable and that’s not why I asked you your age. I’m 55 * kicks over office chair * and I’m glad to be here breathing!!!!!! Ask me anything at all!!!!! Ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa…. Be proud… Read more »
@ Sentient
I’m learning to overlook the omg hate.
It would be like me having astronaut hate. All that space travel and shit. A mission to Mars? Lol, lol, lol.
“Is this projection? Most people would think it a good idea to understand a speakers point of view from understanding their experience. Curious why you would think so little of your character and experience? On an anonymous blog yet?” Literally right out the SJW playbook… “These Alpha PUA’s are so fragile…? OMG the FIRST EVER [all caps?]… One could be proud of their experience, or not… that is on you.” Lol just the kind of snark I expected from you. The fact of the matter is, you pulled it right in the midst of calling him short, roided out, with… Read more »
“That person’s background is irrelevant once it’s fully fleshed out.” and so one gets to dogmatic positions they have true belief in and no personal experience to verify or challenge it… but this does not temper the espousing…
Wild Man is going to say you are a cult in 3,2,1…
One other report from the field… On my tinder account I was getting mostly tranny”s…granny’s and whores…couldn’t figure out why. I kept my photos exactly the same but lowered my age listing by 10 years. Bingo…problem solved …tons of hits and hot real girls in their 20’s. There is a perception about older guys that doesn’t Match reality. For a girl in her 20s a guy in his late 40s is “creepy”. Keep all things the same lower that age by 10 and suddenly your sexual market value goes up. I think there should be 2 categories : actual smv… Read more »
“I’ve mulled over a few times of just exposing myself completely, and I still do from time to time….” I found an alternative. I had and instinct for reaching out to Fight Club members IRL in the past 5 years . It was a difficult (only in the sense of reaching out to my edge and doing the work, not painful) experience at times but overall a sublime experience. Not just here but also in my state sportsman forum hangout. Hanging out (phone, email and meetups IRL) with fight club members was nothing short of sublime. Tyler Durden: Man, I… Read more »
“Literally right out the SJW playbook” you seem to study this playbook… The fact of the matter is, you pulled it right in the midst of calling him short, roided out, with a chip on the shoulder. What would you call that except ad hominem? actually the record will reflect you are 100% wrong on this… so I’d just call it wrong, with a touch of wishful thinking… Proud or not of the experience (I assume you mean his journey from then til now) you brought it up to undermine his comment. You imply his experience might undermine his comment…… Read more »
Blax – these guys just want to “win” a conversation…
@ SJF
Yeah, I got a bunch of RP friends that don’t even know what RP means. he he.
I just get the urge every now and again to expose myself…er…wait, that didn’t come out right.
Actually, I have a very small internet presence by choice. Yet, I am on Facefuck and snapchat and instagram and people’s google+ accounts….damn.
My male friends even post me up on Youtube. Now I won’t speak in the presence of cell phones.
Eh, it’s just a thought.
” You imply his experience might undermine his comment… there is probably a reason for that.”
Not to pile on ( while piling on…), but not long ago there was a hew and cry about the ” OMG Hugbox ” that was permeating the comments section.
So, let me get this straight…
Questioning a man’s comments in regard to his life experience is..what? Undermining?
How so this?
Scribblerg: “@Anon – Giggling at your pretensions. That guy you are protecting (insert an odd mixture of non sequitur claims here)…”
Did I miss something? Are you talking to me or did Rollo delete some other anon’s post?
Try this one on ,arguing with OMGS is blue pill plugged in to the matrix behavior.It is as if allOMGS are Al Bundy,,Homer Simpson and Family guy rolled together into one big Hollywood portrayed feminist viewpoint ball…
The only way to win over this gen to actual RP alpha is write a better sitcom or cartoon.The wait for the next gen to get it and let the women teach these guys all they need to know!
Did I miss something? Are you talking to me or did Rollo delete some other anon’s post?
He’s talking about Anonymous Reader, I believe.
@othergrainy “Not following your logic there.” Of course not. You rarely do. Because of your different realm. Hence Sentient asking who you are and the taboo about relating that to us. “Keyboard Jockeying simply means that what you’re espousing hasn’t been been field tested, verified, tested for falsifiability. If what someone claims holds up in the field (SMP) than it is more than a KJ theory (still open to refutation, but now with supporting evidence).” Define what the field is for the whole of the The Rational Male Commenters….. (with the caveat that this is not strictly a PUA blog)….including… Read more »
@walawala
Trannies & grannies
Hilarious, and the fix makes perfect sense.
I think there should be 2 categories : actual smv and visual smv.
Hmmmm, maybe more like “actual SMV and virtual SMV”, since anything on social media including Tinder is more than just visual. Like converting from Euros (actual) to Mexican Pesos (virtual), “How much is that in REAL money?” being the underlying question.
Nice FR even for those who don’t plan to ever use Tinder.
My bad on the timeline, looks like you posted it 10 minutes before others started the ad hominem The position so far has been provisioning is beta. Lets break that down further to “commitment and provisioning are beta” You don’t need experience in marriage and child raising (extreme ends of thses) to come to a conclusion on this. There are other ways to experience how promising commitment and providing for her fail to generate attraction. And yet again, we are dragged back into semantics instead of the actual discussion: actions vs. mindset as far as “winning” a conversation, you’ve been… Read more »
@ Othergrain: “The fact of the matter is, you pulled it right in the midst of calling him short, roided out, with a chip on the shoulder.” What I said (not Sentient) was that my working hypothesis is that he’s on Chinese gear, 5’7″, with a 6’4″ chip on his shoulder. Just in case you need to redirect your aim to the right target. “What would you call that except ad hominem?” An allusion to how he was behaving at the time, in the form of simile. A more standard way of phrasing it would begin, “He is acting as… Read more »
@ othergrain ” You don’t need experience in marriage and child raising (extreme ends of thses) to come to a conclusion on this. There are other ways to experience how promising commitment and providing for her fail to generate attraction.” I disagree. Guys can come to conclusions about marriage and kids without doing such, but those conclusions would be misinformed. If one supports the theory of ” keyboard jockeying “, then never married/never had kids guys would be KJ’ing wrt what these things are actually like irl. I’ve never asked anyone without kids ( or a wife, for that matter… Read more »
@kfg
You need a lecture from SJF on subcommunicating insults.
“The position so far has been provisioning is beta. Lets break that down further to “commitment and provisioning are beta”
Lets break that down even further to “Promising commitment and provisioning just to get laid is beta”
“You don’t need experience in marriage and child raising (extreme ends of thses) to come to a conclusion on this. There are other ways to experience how promising commitment and providing for her fail to generate attraction.” Oh Really. How do you know this? And do you live in a super zip code? Are you coming to this conclusion a priori? And don’t move the fucking goalposts even further with: “The position so far has been provisioning is beta. Lets break that down further to “commitment and provisioning are beta” That has already been done to death with the “promising… Read more »
“Idk about ” promising ” commitment. I’ve only ever run into that phrasing here in these comments. Never heard of such a thing before then. But it’s a stubborn phrase that just won’t fizzle out.”
Yep.
Like minds without me having seen that comment.
I hope the Indians can come back.
What the hell is “provisioning?”
anon
Scribblerg: “@Anon – Giggling at your pretensions. That guy you are protecting (insert an odd mixture of non sequitur claims here)…”
Did I miss something? Are you talking to me or did Rollo delete some other anon’s post?
I think that particular sperging is aimed at me.
You might consider using a less generic handle.
What the hell is “provisioning?”
Same thing as “amateur-visioning” but done for money.
“And don’t move the fucking goalposts even further with: “The position so far has been provisioning is beta. Lets break that down further to “commitment and provisioning are beta” That has already been done to death with the “promising monogamy” allegation.” OK, forget I brought up commitment. Who here has advocated for promising commitment? Who here has promised monogamy (rather than chose monogamy because their own motive)? No one was advocating it. I never said anyone was. Blax “I disagree. Guys can come to conclusions about marriage and kids without doing such, but those conclusions would be misinformed. If one… Read more »
Baa-roomp-bomp!
“What was the point of your harmless simile?”
To call his attention to how his behaviour was being perceived.
“Would it be the same as accusing a short man of a Napoleon Complex?”
No.
“Idk about ” promising ” commitment. I’ve only ever run into that phrasing here in these comments. Never heard of such a thing before then. But it’s a stubborn phrase that just won’t fizzle out.”
I, Blaximus, take you, SJF, for my lawful wife, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and health, until death do us part.
Now where did that darn meme originate?
Unpluging chumps from the matrix is dirty work indeed.
“What the hell is “provisioning?””
It is a false flag flown by those who advocate for not engaging in a LTR.
It is code among one particular tribe to mean leaning in to a woman in order to garner her
affectionsdesire.I still can’t tell (even amid the back pedaling) if it is pejorative when described by that tribe.
@KFG
“It is a false flag flown by those who advocate for not engaging in a LTR.”
…..Rationalize it away…the hamster is real and that wheel is turning
Well, now, Cleveland just tied it up.
“Now where did that darn meme originate?” It originated in the feminine imperative. And game is amoral. So is the masculine imperative. Because of red pill awareness and all that Rollo has written, marital vows, in light of the two sexes sexual strategy, and in light of the modern day fiction of a woman’s romance, there is actually no promise of commitment, no promise of monogamy for a red pill guy. Marriage is not a shackle. It is a fork in the road. I took it in a Bon Jovi way and just happened to make the right choice. Do… Read more »
@MrT I participate if I think that YR or scray should be doing hanks FRs instead of talking semantics with you guys. yup. this weekend I am going to try and go to a dance club place for the first time, maybe go into an all black club also for first time, and will definitely go to the pub where the cool guy I met in Monday’s FR works. I am going to try to use him as a HQ to pop by to pump state, and as a prime instadate location. Also to meet more musician types, since they… Read more »
HABD, getting shot isn’t as much fun as it looks on TV but it’s the IED’S and wear tare that get you down
Calibrating alpha and beta; Everyone’s experience is a bit different. I get off my bike, walk into the gas station, pick up a root beer, walk up to the counter and say hey darling. Her response is thank God you’re friendly. That event isn’t a one off. I had to learn to relax, do the teasing your sister routine, to be silly and yes play up the beta/ do more comfort. All that to say, its hard to fathom how wrapped around the axel about this shit some dudes get. At what point does it start reducing the quality of… Read more »
Ton Everyone’s experience is a bit different. I get off my bike, walk into the gas station, pick up a root beer, walk up to the counter and say hey darling. Her response is thank God you’re friendly. That event isn’t a one off. Your subcommunications were probably pretty interesting that day. Then again, some girls are just nervous. Imagine how much more fun you could have been in an open carry state with even a little ol’ .38 showing? I had to learn to relax, do the teasing your sister routine, to be silly and yes play up the… Read more »
Watching the World Series. Sipping an adult beverage. Reading the web. Two headlines…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/seeking-to-be-visible-more-americans-65-and-older-are-getting-plastic-surgery/2016/11/01/e0c04ca4-9bad-11e6-9980-50913d68eacb_story.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/02/want-to-be-more-successful-try-thinking-about-death—study/
Well, there go all my Cubs fan jokes.
@Blax @Sentient
You guys are doing a massive disservice to newbies and guys thinking about unplugging or in the process. Back up what you with solid experiences. Scray has been doing a good job of keeping the thread moving forward.
@Rollo
Maybe it already has been covered. But there’s been a lot of confusion amongst readers of this site on how a man can successfully bed a woman given his and her standing on the SMP. You give guys all the tools to succeed but you and your colleagues don’t really lay it out A to be to C.
About the current @Scray thing. @Blaximus: I think most of that “old man” shaming shit is in your mind. I see it differently and in many cases you guys are doing most of the escalating. In any case, even if you are getting called out a lot, not reacting is also a DHV. @Scray: I think you don’t need to repeat it so much. Some people will agree some won’t, I know you are getting called out a lot, not reacting is also a DHV. @Scribblerg: asking for a ban seems out of character here (although I think you did… Read more »
@Blaximus: doxxing is a real threat, particularly to higher profile guys like YaReally and Scray. Recall Scribblerg essentially unveiled Emily (although she had quite bad security practices). Frankly, I’m surprised (and very glad) that no one doxxed Rollo yet. Some SJWs are proficient at it and dedicated enough. Beyond that it is not impossible that someone a poster knows in real life reads very little information (that someone else wouldn’t be able to use to doxx) and, because they match it to some other stuff in real life, can identify the poster. Detailed FRs are one example – someone else… Read more »
The new Taylor Swift written shaming song, (I wish you were) A Better Man, is now #1 on iTunes charts
@Anon
Long story short he cheated a second time, got caught again, she divorced him.
Of course, she cheated on him a first time, second time, 3rd time, etc. when she played hide the vaj. “To have and to hold” implies not playing hide the vaj. No excuses because of work, kids, etc. If health won’t allow sex, then exclusivity has to go.
I don’t expect that any of this will be controversial to you or to any RP man.
O.T.
This girl’s value is through the roof compared to entitled, bubblegum chewing, FaceBook zombies her age:
@Anonymous Reader “Children change things” This should read “Children of a certain age change things” Once they get over a certain age and level of maturity then their role as hostages diminishes. I totally concur leaving a family with 3 kids under the age of 8 is a dick move. “deep hobbies that’ll keep your mind occupied.” It’s funny that now that I’m single and dating my ‘hobbies’ have all but ceased (well, except for pool I guess). The house renos have been on hold for the past year – my kitchen cabinets still not have handles. “Just to bump… Read more »
Darn copy/paste
That should have finished off with
“I’ve seen this too with cancer and my parents/step parents. Yes, your spouse turns into a ‘patient’ but I’ve never seen abandonment here. Probably the OMG attitude prevails and kept the personal daemons at bay.
“
Did I miss something? Are you talking to me or did Rollo delete some other anon’s post? Things that are quite different are getting smushed together under the rubric of “provisioning” in a way that can distort things. Buying a woman a drink at a bar is not the same thing as provisioning for a child you have sired with a woman. There is a bond in the latter case, centered on the children, that is not there in the former. There is no “bribe” element in the latter case — rather it is a parenting role that is shared… Read more »
The new Taylor Swift written shaming song, (I wish you were) A Better Man, is now #1 on iTunes charts
Likely written about Calvin Harris. For the life of me I don’t know why any of these guys would date Taylor Swift — quite obviously a bitch on wheels, I don’t care how hot you think she is.
Dateline: yesterday after work Missus texts me happy note: Thanks for making our marriage exciting. xx Arrive home. She’s flitting happily around the kitchen, kids with their home work. I fetch a beer. She pours a wine and stops me half stride. Her: I want to tell you something…but not now (looking at kids). She says this twice more, she’s effervescent. She’s excited. Later, on couch, downstairs. Her: I…I…have to tell you this. These last few moths have been incredible sexually. I know how much you do to make me happy. I haven’t been nice, and been mean. I really… Read more »
@walawala
“I kept my photos exactly the same but lowered my age listing by 10 years.
Bingo…problem solved …tons of hits and hot real girls in their 20’s.
I think there should be 2 categories : actual smv and visual smv.”
Totally agree on this. Visual smv affect OSGs that have kept their health up but you can only bring down that age so much.
How do you handle the inevitable questioning once you meet up in person?
@EhIntellect: golf clap
https://www.ted.com/talks/yuval_noah_harari_what_explains_the_rise_of_humans?language=en
http://wp.me/s4tvpM-compared
http://wp.me/p4tvpM-1Ny9
http://wp.me/p4tvpM-1Nkr
http://wp.me/p4tvpM-1Nzs
http://wp.me/p4tvpM-1NzA
Good reads
http://amzn.to/2ffiFHN
http://amzn.to/2eD9MEm
http://amzn.to/2eXUb5g
http://amzn.to/2erexDa
http://amzn.to/2fHrGtO
http://bit.ly/2f4x7j8
Good read on porn and VR
Songs you will not hear “Better Woman” I know I’m probably better off on my own Than loving a woman who Didn’t know what she had when she had it And I see the permanent damage you did to me Never again, I just Wish I could forget when it was magic I just wish you were a better woman A better woman I know I’m definitely better off all alone Than needing a woman who could Change her mind at any given minute And it’s always on your terms I’m hanging on every careless word Hoping it might turn… Read more »
redligth it was an evening I shared with the sun to find out where we belong from the earliest days we were dancing in the shadows more wine ’cause I got to have it more skin ’cause I got to eat it inside the outside by the river used to be so calm used to be so sane I rushed the lady’s room took the water from the toilet washed her feet and blessed her name more peace is such a dirty habit slow down, we’re too afraid Let me ride Let me ride Burn my eyes Let me ride… Read more »
@SFC Ton
HABD, getting shot isn’t as much fun as it looks on TV but it’s the IED’S and wear tare that get you down
ya, they really glam that shit up on the tube… i’ve seen a couple people getting shot up close and personal (i used to live in the ‘hood’ for a couple years) and it really is just raw dog real… but oddly anti-climactic… dude just gets a couple of holes punched into him and starts leakin’ a little bit of red (handgun, not rifle)…
stay safe…
good luck!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72qDxpdDr7A
https://youtu.be/tnFKaU8H4v8?list=RDEMXDOMdapKWV6bgPHQpSqhTg
What if…
redligth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnFKaU8H4v8 it was an evening I shared with the sun to find out where we belong from the earliest days we were dancing in the shadows more wine ’cause I got to have it more skin ’cause I got to eat it inside the outside by the river used to be so calm used to be so sane I rushed the lady’s room took the water from the toilet washed her feet and blessed her name more peace is such a dirty habit slow down, we’re too afraid Let me ride Let me ride Burn my eyes Let me… Read more »
@rugby Doin well. Almost done. 🙂 — This place is going down the shitter. OMG’s… Actions are objectively alpha or beta. That’s all scray is saying. Mindset is not objective reality. If what scray is saying bothers you in any way then you have created an identity around being Old, married, and/or alpha…. Does what I just said bother you? You seriously need reflect on why… This is an opportunity for growth. Not sure what the deal is with the Owen Cook PUA RSD hate… It’s game. Period. There’s no “PUA in practice”. Just game in practice. What is a… Read more »
I’ll be sure to save this quote for the next time I get accused of disheartening PUA noobs for making them aware of their objective realities.
Action takes place as a result of motivation Andy. Hence the fallacy.
LOL I live in the South. Pretty sure we’re all open carry states down here That sort of thing happens to me 3-4 times a year. Not typically verbal but you can read the relief in their body language. I found the red pill etc while trying to figure out my failed marriage vs overall smp success and my success vs the struggles of the young men in my platoon. Most of whom were taller, better looking , better educated, better dressed, better spoken, better behaved etc etc. Knew there had to be more to it then chicks dig bikes… Read more »
@Andy
“This place is going down the shitter.”
The hugbox is just cracking
Clean food please…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdXO52ZMcCM
its all about conversion
“Action takes place as a result of motivation Andy. Hence the fallacy.”
Then it’s a semantics argument. If semantics are sending people into an emotional spiral then they should think about why.