Case Study – Mitch’s Purple Pill

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This week we had an interesting situation arise in the comment threads. A new(?) reader, Mitch, dropped in to recount his affair with a Ukrainian woman he’d become enamored with, emphasis mine:

I’d like to encourage men who still want a good wife to look East. As in, Russia, Ukraine and other former USSR counties. I cannot begin to tell you how encouraged and revitalized I am by this woman I met – and by most of the women I met and interacted with before I found “the One.

Full stop. Whenever a man even casually mentions a woman as ‘the ONE‘ you know he’s still clinging to his Blue Pill, feminine-primary conditioning. This is your first signal of a man’s mindset and is a glaring Beta Tell.

Next Mitch moves on to qualify the object of his, still unmet, ONEitis:

The biggest difference between these women and western women are three things: 1) They have a strong desire to find “their Right Man”. Educated, smart, attractive women with careers find life is not meaningful without husband and family. 2) What they require from a man is reliability, respectfulness and willingness to provide for a family. They want to be treated respectfully and well, but they definitely want to be treated like a woman. 3) They have no ambivalence whatsoever about being appealing to their man.

They celebrate this about themselves, their femininity and sex appeal. These women are genuine, direct, and have no time for games and are generally not interested (but are quite aware of) western feminism. Interestingly, during Soviet times women were “emancipated” from the homes and out into the factory and collectives, and the government propaganda machine even downplayed and tried to discourage marriage. So these women really know what all this means, and since the collapse of the USSR, (which has been a mixed bag for them in many ways) they have enthusiastically embraced traditional gender and marriage relationships. In fact, my woman very explicitly told me early on that she had no interest in an egalitarian relationship – and she has been very clear about what she wants and expects from me, and I couldn’t be more delighted.
(I’ve spent a week with her in person, talk on Skype a couple times a day, am meeting her in Italy in 7 weeks, after which she comes back here, hopefully for good. Oh, and she’s gorgeous and awesome in a million different ways. Wish me luck…. )

Sounds like a Blue Pill dream come true, right? I haven’t done a case study in some time so I’m going to take Mitch’s situation here and riff on it a bit. I really think it’s good to review certain fundamentals for the sake of men who are new to my work, but also for Red Pill men to understand the Blue Pill way of thinking to better help men like Mitch to unplug.

In The Purple Pill I outlined the process by which previously Red Pill men degrade themselves back into their Blue Pill mindsets. Most do this in the same fashion as someone like Tucker Max. They renounce their Red Pill behaviors and, for the most part, make attempts to compartmentalize the harsh truths they know women would rather they didn’t know or expose to other men. Guys of this Purple Pill stripe still cling (or return to clinging) to their old Blue Pill idealism in the hopes that the goals their old conditioning taught them was still possible.

This Purple Pill man still has had some exposure to, and practice with, a Red Pill awareness. The difference is that due to some life circumstance (unplanned or “accidental” pregnancy) or some part of his Beta self he was unable to disconnect from (the soul mate myth) in his Red Pill awareness.

However, Mitch represents another type of Purple Pill man. This is the guy who’s become Red Pill aware, but believes he can make his Blue Pill idealism work in a Red Pill context from the outset of his partial unplugging. As a result, there’s a certain degree of affirmation seeking men of this stripe look for from other men in Red Pill forums. That affirmation is entirely based in the false hope that he can use Red Pill truths to achieve Blue Pill goals. Thus, he looks for affirmation in this feminine-primary idealism without realizing he’s really just asking Red Pill men for their permission to persist in his Blue Pill hope while calling it Red Pill for himself.

Mitch goes on over several comments in an effort to get this permission to define his ONEitis as a Red Pill goal by qualifying her in every Blue Pill way imaginable. Needless to say the stink of Blue Pill conditioning wasn’t hard for my forum members to identify. He insists he’s read my work well enough to be considered Red Pill aware, but his actions and attitudes with this woman tell a much different story.

When called out on this fact we get the obligatory, “Lol…you guys can go fuck yourselves..

Lol…you guys can go fuck yourselves. I appreciate where ya’ll are coming from, though. Trying to save me from myself. And i appreciate how naive my post must sound to a bunch of hard core red pillers like yourselves. However, I am not nearly as inexperienced with women and LTR’s as ya’ll assume. I have learned a lot from red pill in general and this site in particular – it’s very insightful and helpful, and I’ve adjusted my attitude and posture toward women because of it. At the same time, though, it strikes me that many of you are taking on red pill ideas as a kind of ideology, and that’s its own kind of danger. The absolute certainty that ya’ll think you know all you need to know about me and my woman and my relationship from that very brief post is what I mean. As if red-pill theory, or whatever it is, completely and concisely explains the total dynamic between a man and woman. Red pill explains a lot of things really well, but certainly not the totality of the mystery that is between a man a woman in a marriage. If you don’t understand what I’m talking about, then I feel sorry for you. Red pill helps me tremendously in seeing more clearly what is going on. I totally get that I am a beta provider for her, that a large part of my appeal is what I can provide, and I get that she is turned on by alpha traits. Both of these things can coexist in the same person. Understanding this and what’s behind it makes me feel less anxious and insecure about that, because I’m more clear about what to do.

Also, being a beta provider does not make me a bitch. Providing for my woman and family is a large part of what makes me a man, and I derive great satisfaction and pride in doing so.
Also, I am not in any way “settling” for a 44 yo woman. Younger women were/are available to me, but that is not what i choose.

There’s a lot more to life than fucks and bucks, but if that’s all it is for you, then this is the type of woman you will attract. In a relationship, what you get is what you are. If I can’t find a way to live with an open heart, then I don’t know what the fucking point is. But, to each his own.

I don’t get mad with responses like this. It’s really all part of men’s unplugging. I’ve said it a million times, unplugging men from the Matrix is dirty work. Understand this now if you ever hope to aid a guy in coming to the Red Pill, there will always be a lot of anger, denial and frustration that comes from the disillusionment of breaking a man’s ego-investment in a Blue Pill mindset that he’s been conditioned to for the better part of his lifetime.

I found Mitch’s story engaging because it so faithfully follows the progression of rationales Purple Pill men will use in order to hold fast to their old, comfortable mindset. Thus, you see the binary extremes of anything that contradicts those old investments:

The absolute certainty that ya’ll think you know all you need to know about me and my woman and my relationship from that very brief post is what I mean. As if red-pill theory, or whatever it is, completely and concisely explains the total dynamic between a man and woman.

Here we see the attempt to cast doubt, but also a plea for confirmation of theory. He wants to believe that because there are no hard-fast conclusions of the uncomfortable aspects of the Red Pill that the possibility exists that his Blue Pill hopes may still be valid.

Red pill explains a lot of things really well, but certainly not the totality of the mystery that is between a man a woman in a marriage. If you don’t understand what I’m talking about, then I feel sorry for you.

Disqualification, but wrapped in the magical romantic language of Blue Pill idealism. Add a bit of pseudo-heartfelt pity for the men who wont reaffirm his idealisms.

Red pill helps me tremendously in seeing more clearly what is going on. I totally get that I am a beta provider for her, that a large part of my appeal is what I can provide, and I get that she is turned on by alpha traits. Both of these things can coexist in the same person. Understanding this and what’s behind it makes me feel less anxious and insecure about that, because I’m more clear about what to do.

Later on in the comments, Mitch tries to reassure me he’s thoroughly read my essays, but it’s obvious he hasn’t read The Myth of the Good Guy after making this comment. Most of his remaining comments are variations of this, to which he’s entirely oblivious of how apparent his Blue Pill nature is to the forum.

Feel free to read through the conversations, but they all came to a head in his most recent admission here:

 

Guys, thanks for sticking with me.

I sent her a text this morning that basically said I am going to fuck you in Italy. I love you, and this is what’s going down. We’ve had a number of conversations about sex before, about what didn’t happen in Odessa, etc. But I never pushed too hard. She says can we talk. So I skype her. And we go round and round about this. I’m staying calm, even sweet. But firm. The solipsism is off the charts – of course I’d seen this every time we argue, but eh, she’s a woman, what else is new? I just keep gently and firmly sticking to the topic, and she’s doing all she can to change it. Lashing out at me, saying I’m mentally ill, she thought I was different than other men, I’m trying to rape her, etc. Saying I’ve blown our relationship, she has all what I want, but I’m blowing it, good bye. On and on. Jesus Christ.

I’m now strongly suspecting bpd. These women are a fucking magnet for me. I did have interactions with very normal, genuine nice women over there – and tended to be religious – one very nice woman that I enjoyed talking to was very upfront from the beginning that she’s strong Catholic and will not have sex before marriage. I respect that completely. That didn’t even chase me off. It’s just that this other woman was so much more compelling. If she is bpd, she is the third experience I’ve had with this type. They are like catnip to me. Now that I see it, I’m definitely not going down that road with her because I’m all too aware of where it inevitably leads. Good. But, still..fuck!

Mitch, you’re not going to like what I’m about to type here for you, but just know that it’s a necessary kick in the ass and I’m in no way trying to flame you. As I mentioned in my last comment to you, you really need to read all of the links in my Year One collection.

I’m going to pick apart your latest report about this girl you ‘love’ and I think you should really give yourself some time to consider what you think has been your half-measure unplugging.

I sent her a text this morning that basically said I am going to fuck you in Italy. I love you, and this is what’s going down.We’ve had a number of conversations about sex before, about what didn’t happen in Odessa, etc. But I never pushed too hard. She says can we talk.

Two things here; first, you are using texting as a Buffer. This is what I would expect from a teenager or someone with an adolescent social skill set. Texting you ‘love’ her and convincing yourself you do after no more than a week of in-person interaction is a major, jumbotron-scale signal that you are not only Beta and Blue Pill, but also you subscribe to a scarcity mentality. This is rule one.

Secondly, you cannot negotiate genuine desire. You having conversations about how you’re going to fuck her in Italy are evidence that you really have no clue how Game works. Your pre-sex talks about having sex are again a major signal of your Blue Pill headspace:

Iron Rule of Tomassi #3

Any woman who makes you wait for sex, or by her actions implies she is making you wait for sex; the sex is NEVER worth the wait.

When a woman makes you wait for sex you are not her highest priority. Sexuality is spontaneous chemical reaction between two parties, not a process of negotiation. It’s sex first, then relationship, not the other way around. A woman who wants to fuck you will find a way to fuck you. She will fly across the country, crawl under barbwire, climb in through your second story bedroom window, fuck the shit out of you and wait patiently inside your closet if your wife comes home early from work – women who want to fuck will find a way to fuck. The girl who tells you she needs to be comfortable and wants a relationship first is the same girl who fucked the hot guy in the foam cannon party in Cancun on spring break just half an hour after meeting him.

Your conversations are all evidence that you buy into the ‘open communication’ Blue Pill narrative.

So I skype her. And we go round and round about this. I’m staying calm, even sweet. [Beta] But firm.[still thinking RP men will say that’s Alpha] The solipsism is off the charts – of course I’d seen this every time we argue, but eh, she’s a woman, what else is new?[attempt to confirm RP terms, and another plea for affirmation]

I just keep gently and firmly sticking to the topic, and she’s doing all she can to change it. Lashing out at me, saying I’m mentally ill, she thought I was different than other men, I’m trying to rape her, etc. Saying I’ve blown our relationship, she has all what I want, but I’m blowing it, good bye. On and on. Jesus Christ.

All this woman is doing is confirming your status as a Beta for her. Likely she thought you’d be an easy mark, but your overt insistence on preplanned, negotiated and scheduled sex has made her lose interest in you even as a Beta provider.

I’m now strongly suspecting bpd. These women are a fucking magnet for me. I did have interactions with very normal, genuine nice women over there – and tended to be religious – one very nice woman that I enjoyed talking to was very upfront from the beginning that she’s strong Catholic and will not have sex before marriage. I respect that completely.

This woman is not suffering from BPD, she’s responding how most women would when they have a man’s Beta status overtly confirmed for them. You believe these ‘types’ of women are drawn to you when in fact you have the same effect on every woman when you overtly demonstrate your lower value to them by sticking to your Beta Game while thinking it’s some how the correct, Red Pill way of dealing with women.

The only reason you believe you respect a Catholic woman is because you have no choice but to respect her because she reaffirms your Blue Pill nature, but still wont fuck you.

I’m going to invite the commenters to address Mitch’s situation in the comment thread, but I’ll start here by saying you really need to thoroughly read through my posts (or books if you prefer). You are in no way ‘woke’ to a Red Pill awareness Mitch. For as much as you believe you are, your behaviors, your mindset, all point to a guy who’s read some Red Pill ideas, but can’t disconnect from his Blue Pill hopes and attitudes.

You’re trying to force fit a Blue Pill hope into a Red Pill reality. This is why the last 3 women you’ve reported you’ve been involved with have been the same. It’s not them, it’s you.

Again, I didn’t write this post to flame you, but rather to let you serve as an example of how pervasive a Blue Pill mindset is, and how it retards a man’s social intelligence and his maturation.

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Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

” This is probably why you don’t understand why Mitch isn’t listening to you. And why future Mitches won’t listen to you. This is that solipsism I was talking about.”

Mitch wasn’t listening to me because I stayed out of the convo after my initial reply to him. I didn’t say another word to him.

Get it? Why do you think I was talking to him when I wasn’t?

Why are you saying I was talking to him when I stayed clear of the whole conversation?

kobayashii1681
9 years ago

“How does this make sense. I don’t get it. I’m not trying sell her on *you* guys. Saying she’d be so great for you. She’s great for me.”

http://40.media.tumblr.com/7e4a8aad06f463ed854f2e365ae950c6/tumblr_inline_o2rfbnESsI1shvxs5_540.jpg

The shit writes itself….

YaReally
9 years ago

@MrT “I figure if this was the only place where a guy could go and vent about redpill shit, he would be careful about incurring The Wrath of the Old Boys Club” It’s all just bluster to me. I’ve heard the exact same stuff from old guys in real life, they all think they’re the first ones to lecture us. And they almost always have the exact same inconsistencies and flaws in their logic and resort to “listen to me because I’m just wiser than you, I just AM” “Just look at Andy. Guy was basically Blax’s son until he… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

” He won’t listen to any of you guys. Why do you suppose that is?”

I dunno. I know why he wasn’t listening to me though.

Because I didn’t say anything to him.

MrT
MrT
9 years ago

@escapeartist “why not just actually increase your value and let your subcoms naturally change to match? In other words, achieving ones personal life goals and becoming more physically, mentally and socially dominant should automatically make you more alpha without having to spend too much time learning PUA skills.” Not sure if you mean by alpha in the last sentence. If its alpha with women, its definitely not authentic and honest with yourself to try to achieve that by career success (or gym w/e). Deep down you will know that (if you have been reading Rollo and know how attraction works… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

” Excellent, some field data gathering! Now how often do they go out? How many <25yo 8+s do they have in their social circles and regularly fuck and try to LTR up past the NRE stage? How many <25yo 8+/10s have they made give up their social media and cut their orbiters out of their life for them? Do any of their <25yo 8+/10 girlfriends use their phone around them or have any social media accounts?" fellas? Y’all here? he’s talking to you… I’ve spoken to them at length over months ( since I said I would ). They aren’t… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

Yareally

Again this is just you guys not having any actual logical factual/statistical data you can bring to the table and trying to character-assassinate. Same thing feminists and SJWs have been doing for years, that’s why it’s just funny to me seeing it here lol

You ignore it anyway, and still spin false narratives around our experiences… while character assassinating…

sad.

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

Blax

Guys I know mostly are rabidly anti-thirst or pedestalization.

this is the problem with a lot of the PUA advice though, it comes from a place of extreme thirst… mid 20’s incel “hard cases” etc. such that the thirsty frame, this fear, is inculcated in all their reactions, instincts and thoughts… it is rarely fully escaped. They genuinely cannot fathom a counter narrative… and more than that, seem to fear it.

Rollo Tomassi
9 years ago

I think YaReally’s proposition on pLTRs has some merit. I’m not sure how practical it is and other than a guy with Gene Simmons’s degree of affluence and influence, I have yet to see it in practice. That doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen, and honestly some variation of it will need to be experimented with to really test it. I also think that if you are an OMG and you have become Red Pill aware it’s a better lifestyle than being a Blue Pill chump with your head in the sand. If my being married in someway disqualifies me for… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

Yareally

If they were ACTUALLY consistent, then Mitch is following their guidelines for a successful long-term marriage. But even THEY know Mitch is fucked, but the cognitive dissonance between their advice and the end result OF that advice is too hard to process so they literally can’t see how what they’re saying CREATES Mitches.

Why not go back and show us where we said Mitch was following “our” guidelines… with actual exact quotes to point to?

You up for that challenge?

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

“He won’t listen to any of you guys. ”

Actually he did, kind of, and went back to the Russian and said in Italy sex was on… and it blew up in his face triggering his angry outburst… Right in line with our expectations… that he was being played and going about this in the wrong way…

?

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ Sentient

” Why not go back and show us where we said Mitch was following “our” guidelines… with actual exact quotes to point to?

You up for that challenge?”

That’s yaReally debate tactic 101. He can’t show you this because it never happened. He just throws 200 metric tons of shit on a wall and sees what sticks.

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

Blax

Yes he can’t of course, we know that. let’s see if he can back up the alligator mouth.

As the old lawyer said to the young lawyer – when you don’t have facts pound the table…

Judges be wise though… Imagine that? what with experience?

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
9 years ago

@YaReally

Somebody’s threatening doxxing? For real? What the shit, people? There’s just some lines you don’t cross, no matter how frustrated you are with somebody else around here.

Fuck’s sake.

The Diplomat
The Diplomat
9 years ago

@Blax From everything you’ve indicated, I’m pretty sure you and I are the same age so I’m not in for ‘fossilizing’ anybody. lol But I’ve definitely noticed a particular kind of comeback/attitude/reaction from the resident OMGs here whenever Ya repeats the question, “have you guys made it work with an >25yoHB8+ lately?” And I recognize the ego-invested self defense urges, because not so many years ago I was also an OMG who ‘knew things from the experience of making it work and having solid hand.’ I came here to TRM after my OMG world came crashing down on me brutally… Read more »

Keith
Keith
9 years ago

ROLLO thanks for the case study. Thanks for all your work actually. Mitch please come back in few months and tell me how it went. I would like to know. I don’t watch the super bowl cause I already know who wins the NFL wins every super bowl. I don’t keep up with NASCAR cause I already know who wins NASCAR wins every race. I don’t give a damn about the election Trump or Hillary the government always wins. And I don’t fly half way around the world for unicorn poon cause you know who gonna win Mitch ? The… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

The Diplomat

have you guys made it work with an >25yoHB8+ lately

By his own admission Yareally is not doing this.

It’s insulting to a guy who’s out there in the field gathering REAL field data and live-testing it.

I agree… I am one of those guys in the field.

Tell me Diplomat – has the nature of women changed? If so what was the date?

Is evo bio/psych real or not? If it is real is it always real?

MrT
MrT
9 years ago

“Why did you do that?” “What are you talking about?” “Well yesterday you did this ill-advised thing, you are really not helping anybody. Why do you do that?” “What? I never did that.” “Yes you did.” “Nope, definitely didn’t.” “Well, here’s you on camera doing it.” [vanishes] *sigh* “Not again.” Might find some answers in here: https://therationalmale.com/2016/10/13/case-study-mitchs-purple-pill/#comment-173453 I wonder why you even bother asking. We both know you are not going to adress any of that. PS. While were at it, you may hook us up with the comment of yareally telling andy to nuke his marriage. “What? Lying about… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Rollo Marriage will get so bad in the future that the risks inherent in the institution will exceed men’s capacity to believe in the fairytale. Working class people are giving up on it. Middle class younger people are mixed. As I’ve said before, we are heading for a time when only the upper class / upper middle class and the religious people will marry. If economic conditions continue, the UMC will find itself in the MC. Then only religious people and the very rich, the 1%, will still be marrying. This will surely drive an even larger frenzy of “Man… Read more »

Mitch
Mitch
9 years ago

@rollo:

Typed by the guy who’s been sock-puppeting a new username 6 times over the course of 2 years in order to tell his Beta confessions here.

I must have amnesia. I don’t recall posting here before the last few days. It’s possible I put in a post once or twice, but I don’t remember doing it. Could you tell me what my past usernames were that I posted with?

MrT
MrT
9 years ago

“Guys, actually the social conditioning has changed drastically in the last years, both for men and women, but it changed some dynamics. Its worth talking about.” “So youre saying the nature of women has changed? If so what was the date?” “Wait. Those are two different topics. The nature of women didnt need to change for these changes to happen.” “AWALT. Always. Have you guys been reading Rollo at all???” “Okay, we dp agree. And yes, we have been reading Rollos work. Thats precisely why want to have a discussion. But can we please get back to the topic?” “Excuses.… Read more »

The Diplomat
The Diplomat
9 years ago

@Sentient

lol No, the nature of women hasn’t changed at all. But the playing field sure has. If you’re actually in that field with young women (under 35) you might have noticed it.

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

lol No, the nature of women hasn’t changed at all. But the playing field sure has. If you’re actually in that field with young women (under 35) you might have noticed it.

I just said I was… but… #it’snotthem.it’syou

Are women attracted to Alpha or not?

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“I must have amnesia.”

Yeah, but you get a bonus point for lasting more than 48 minutes since the last time you said you were really leaving for good.

I wasn’t sure you had it in you.

The Diplomat
The Diplomat
9 years ago

“If that new arrangement is YaReally’s pLTR, I can only imagine it would be a short time before it too becomes compromised legally or socially to favor Hypergamy. I would be very much interested to see YaReally experiment with that arrangement. Show me how it goes down. As I stated 4 posts ago, I still don’t see the purpose of it when you contrast it next to just Spinning Plates. If kids are a man’s goal, then in the future that desire will be a compromise for him too.” What Rollo said, re: kids. Prepare to be compromised today, tomorrow,… Read more »

jamesd127
jamesd127
9 years ago
Reply to  The Diplomat

“What Rollo said, re: kids. Prepare to be compromised today, tomorrow, and for as long as you draw breath—even if you are in a high-functioning RP marriage. There’s no kind of super pLTR game that’ll get a man around this reality except perhaps extreme sociopathy”

I am an extreme sociopath, and I recommend this path to every male as the only solution to a world gone mad.

cheupez
9 years ago

@Mitch

The only way a redpill guy can be removed from his redpill awareness is by death or coma. Not by staying 48 hrs from reading TRM or whatever. TRM and similar sites only give articulation to what most men already know to be true but cannot articulate.

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ The Diplomat I cannot express myself any clearer. But when conversation degrades into dumb, repetitive shit, how in the world can anything of worth materialize? Let me ask you, what is the purpose of ya repeating himself in every threads comment section like he has some form of turrets? It’s silly and childish and accomplished nothing. Oh, and it’s annoying as fuck. I am going to stay out of the fray. I’ve spoken my piece numerous times and I will stop endlessly repeating myself for no apparent reason. One last time though with elaboration for you, since you engage… Read more »

The Diplomat
The Diplomat
9 years ago

@Blax I appreciate your reasoned assessment, and you hit the nail on the head: ‘fear.’ And it’s a very reasonable fear, I think. Imagine staring down the barrel of never being able to raise a child (or children) in a two-parent household. It’s barely even a realistic possibility in the age of open hypergamy, and the odds get worse every single day. Sentient asked me earlier if I believed “Is evo bio/psych real or not? If it is real is it always real?” He was baiting me (I don’t go much for the snark, either), but I’ll answer that question… Read more »

jamesd127
jamesd127
9 years ago
Reply to  The Diplomat

“Our male biology cries out for meaningful reproduction, just like a woman’s does. It’s just a different kind of biological strategy, as we all know. Modern society clearly has few built-in mitigating institutions, mores, or environmental barriers to open hypergamy anymore. It has laws, institutions, and religions on its side, and it’s going to get much worse before/if it gets any better. And you and I know it.” In order to successfully reproduce and raise children in our society, you are going to have to break the law, commit acts of violence, and credibly threaten worse acts of violence. When… Read more »

The Diplomat
The Diplomat
9 years ago

P.S. Why do you think YaReally has put so much of his heart and soul into what is clearly an RP site rather than exclusively inhabiting the PUA sphere? He’s looking to build something more for himself (and, considering how much he gives of himself, for other men as well). Let’s not devolve into something less than what Rollo has scrupulously built here.

thomasso75
9 years ago

Great post. A case study is a nice way to cement things. Thanks for putting this out Rollo!

Mineter
Mineter
9 years ago

@ escapeartist Dunno if you are still following this thread, but I have been ruminating a bit about your situation. Why? Because I am in a very similar boat. (Keep that in mind when reading what I have written.) I don’t want to incite you to blow up your marriage, rather, I wanted to offer you (and others in situations like us) some things to think about. It’s obvious to me that your son IS your mission. If not for him, you probably wouldn’t have put up with your wife. You may, deep down, hanker for the Blue Pill dream… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
9 years ago
Reply to  Mineter
DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
9 years ago

Playdontpay
“A lot of what the red pill is and what’s being discussed on here are women’s observable and largely predictable behaviours. ”

Good summation of RP in this comment. Thank you!

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
9 years ago

@Elite Manhood
“Many on this site have never witnessed true arousal from a woman so they can never swallow the pill whole.
Frankly if you aren’t able to get an American woman to play with herself after a first meet over the phone then she isn’t aroused by you.”

So true, but I might add “with a dildo up her ass…” – then you’ve really got arousal. Don’t ask me how I know…

DisgruntledEarthling
DisgruntledEarthling
9 years ago

@Mitch “Ok, this is addictive. So for example when a guy uses the phrase “the One”, even in scare quotes, and even with a qualifying clause after it, and your alarm bells start ringing. ” “The One” would not even be in a RP man’s vocabulary, so even embedding the phrase in quotes wouldn’t show up. And a comment of the difference between ‘reading’ and ‘understanding’. Rollo’s RP articles are deep and dense. Rereads are necessary in order to digest the nuances and how they apply to your own life and its variations. Only after you pause after reading a… Read more »

MrT
MrT
9 years ago

@Blaximus

Hang in there buddy

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

The Diplomat Sentient asked me earlier if I believed “Is evo bio/psych real or not? If it is real is it always real?” He was baiting me (I don’t go much for the snark, either), For the record, not snark. A simple question. If you felt you were being baited it is because you were looking for a trap. Which points to not being comfortable in your position. Why is the question essential though? because the answer informs everything you are trying to do. Evo/Psych/bio either works as a system to inform all red pill thought (which includes all PUA)… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

Rollo

If that new arrangement is YaReally’s pLTR, I can only imagine it would be a short time before it too becomes compromised legally or socially to favor Hypergamy.


http://www.270towin.com/2016-countdown-clock/widget160x200.php

21 days and 14 hours to the first step…

But really it’s already started… your tax dollars are at work on women you’ve never even looked at, much less married or had a kid with…

having a bad day
having a bad day
9 years ago

@scribblerg

I’m at 6s and 7s tonight, my HB9, who I had sex with last night, he he, asked to go to dinner tonight, she reached out to me, and then flaked at the very last moment.

classic ‘chase me’ gambit…

good luck!
———-
@Yollo

Place your bets, faggots. Who will win? DICKBOWL IS HERE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhYXMAk9eA8

lol…

good luck!

Mitch
Mitch
9 years ago

@SJF: What the hell is wrong with trying to improve upon a “Guide to Mastering the Challenges of Women, Work, and Sexual Desire”. Dismiss it out of hand or incorporate ideas into your own paradigm of you own sexual strategy. You can’t dismiss Deida as not being Red Pill dyed-in-the-wool. I hadn’t been able to keep up with all the comments the last couple days, so going back this morning, I noticed this. I’ve read Deida, awhile ago, and I think I’m totally on board with him, but I need to read him again and think about it. Thanks for… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

I’m rethinking the focus of my blog – to make it more of a parallel exploration of RP to the TRM, rather than directly taking it on.

https://imgflip.com/i/1chntd

Chump No More
Chump No More
9 years ago

@Blax @Sentient “So I’m being shoved into the conclusion that the difference is racial/cultural and maybe geographical. That’s the only rational conclusion when I am seeing things and hearing things so differently.” It’s much simpler than that. It’s scarcity vs abundance. “Sentient mentioned something that I too have mentioned a hundred times – fear. What else is it??” Fear is exactly it. Scarcity mindset is routed in fear. The unending ‘talking past each other’, is not surprising. Scarcity and abundance have no common ground, no shared experience, no mutual vocabulary. Also, the shaming, bullying, misrepresentation, straw-men and ad hominem are… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago
Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Moar caffeine. Here’s the problem “Mitch” has:

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having a bad day
having a bad day
9 years ago

@Rollo “A lot of the stubbornness and denial you get from men who don’t want to accept the truths of Red Pill awareness comes from an existential anxiety. You literally have to find a new way to live and give up the old false hopes the Blue Pill convinced you of for so long. And at 50 years old it’s quite an ego hit to have someone (likely younger than yourself) explain in no uncertain terms that you spent those 50-some years living a lie. Worse still, a lie that was meant to undermine your best interest and genuine desires.”… Read more »

Kent
9 years ago

“This woman is not suffering from BPD, she’s responding how most women would when they have a man’s Beta status overtly confirmed for them. You believe these ‘types’ of women are drawn to you when in fact you have the same effect on every woman when you overtly demonstrate your lower value to them by sticking to your Beta Game while thinking it’s some how the correct, Red Pill way of dealing with women.”

Man, that hurts, but it hits home. Thanks Rollo, You do a great service by telling guys like me the truth.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

habd the FI has set up a defense against guys getting off the plantation by making it ‘unacceptable’ to get angry (for themselves)… that’s the whole ‘nice guy’ meme… and if he goes there, the result is lots of shaming (conditioned response)… and a complete affront to his ego investment/self image… This goes double for churches, where “niceness” is often the top priority, it’s not off the mark to call many churches a “cult of nice”. Any man who is not “nice” will be pressured in various ways to “nice up”. But a “nice” ‘man cannot be angry, ever, so… Read more »

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

I’m glad I stuck around here. Kind of getting a better understanding of life and everything. I think I experienced a level of “higher consciousness” for a few days last week. I get a lot of what Owen talked about in Blueprint with self esteem. It was an amazing feeling. I was thinking how I want to experiment with being more dominant, and at the time I was just walking around with a huge smile and I just wanted to give everyone a hug. lol. I was literally stopping and smelling the flowers. lol. I was completely free of all… Read more »

Chump No More
Chump No More
9 years ago

@HABD “mitch is trapped in a RP paradox… he has transitioned past the denial phase (where most BP guys are stopped in their journey) bc he can see that RP explains things that BP can’t… but he can’t make it into the anger phase… why?” My perspective is a bit different. There is a cohort of newly RP aware men who go straight from denial, skip anger, to being stubbornly stuck in bargaining. This is an example of what Rollo describes as (paraphrasing), “using red pill awareness to achieve blue-pill goals”. That awareness is unable to evolve/internalize into understanding because… Read more »

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

Regarding the fight. Imma just gonna drop this here. Interesting stuff.

having a bad day
having a bad day
9 years ago

@AR This goes double for churches, where “niceness” is often the top priority, it’s not off the mark to call many churches a “cult of nice”. Any man who is not “nice” will be pressured in various ways to “nice up”. But a “nice” ‘man cannot be angry, ever, so there’s “nice guys” all over the place holding anger locked up deep down inside. The cult of “nice” surely is a big factor in why churches are beta-factories. the FI is cunning and pervasive… without the ‘ability’ (condoned through church authority/culture) to go through the stages of ‘change’ (which are… Read more »

Klem
Klem
9 years ago

@Blax “Guys I know mostly are rabidly anti-thirst or pedestalization” But dude, all guys talk a big game in front of other guys, of course they will look alpha to you! They won’t tell anyone when they hit up this hot chick they fucked a month ago, one night when they feel lonely and AGAIN the following week etc. That’s why guys think of other guys in terms of threat to the girls they know, because guys only show their alpha/macho side to other guys, and reserve the beta side for chicks. Believe me, chicks know this lol Also, just… Read more »

Klem
Klem
9 years ago

I was thinking about that the other day, like when you really look around, there are VERY few guys actually alpha/good with girls.

The majority of guys is like : “Yeah dude, bitches ain’t shit, I fucked her friend to teach her a lesson dawg”
Then you tell her “Go apparoach that 8 on the table over there, surrounded by other dudes”, and they reply “Nah brah, not my style, she looks too stuck up” and then they go home with a fatty that night lol

Klem
Klem
9 years ago

Meant to write “Then you tell THEM”

mersonia
9 years ago

@Klem “The majority of guys is like : “Yeah dude, bitches ain’t shit, I fucked her friend to teach her a lesson dawg” Then you tell her “Go apparoach that 8 on the table over there, surrounded by other dudes”, and they reply “Nah brah, not my style, she looks too stuck up” and then they go home with a fatty that night lol” 9/10 times I get a “Nah im good bro” ” I’m already talkin to a girl bro” Then you just lol cause if you press them they get pissed. It’s actually amazing how many guys go… Read more »

Klem
Klem
9 years ago

@mersonia

Also, I’m not talking shit!
It’s perfectly normal to be scared to talk to hot chicks lol

But I think it’s time to stop shitting on girls being emotional, irrational, lead by their emotions, when guys are just the same! This comment section is the proof lol.
It’s just that guys are driven by different emotions : fear, pride etc.

Klem
Klem
9 years ago

Lastly, to anyone wanting a glimpse into the relationship of an average 2016 girl in a big western city with her phone/social media, watch the 5th episode of High Maintenance, on HBO.
Very true, and a bit sad

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

@Andy HABD said: “it’s a process… hang tough… and keep playing…lol…” I never actually disliked you Andy. I can’t re-write history, but I actually liked what you were doing. Which was trying to figure out who you were and what you wanted to do going forward. Sure I was harsh. I admit I was being a dick to you. But my hope in commenting was that you had personal agency. That you knew what you wanted and how to get that. Sure it sounded like I was being judgmental in that the children are a priority, and maybe sounded 100%… Read more »

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

@Mitch The Deida stuff can really only be approached from a Red Pill mindset. You have to understand that it cannot be understood from a Purple Pill mindset. And Rollo has railed against Purple Pill over and over for a good reason. It is simply an ineffective praxeology from the Red Pill point of view. Taking the red pill is a choice. But once you decide to take it and commit, you can’t go back like Cypher and actually have red pill and game agency. Do yourself a favor and read a couple Deida books TWSM and Intimate Communion. Then… Read more »

Mitch
Mitch
9 years ago

@habd: mitch is trapped in a RP paradox… he has transitioned past the denial phase (where most BP guys are stopped in their journey) bc he can see that RP explains things that BP can’t… but he can’t make it into the anger phase… why? i think it’s interesting that most of the men here keep trying to push mitch into anger (as a way to defend himself), through criticism or belittlement/insults or whatever but he just keeps avoiding that… and still keeps coming back… Great post. This kind of analysis is appreciated – mostly because you’re riffing on what… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Wild Person Mitch
Is my quixotic quest futile?

Yes. Also tediously boring.

By the way, I was not able to go 48 hours without practicing RP truth. The roots are getting too deep, and my subcomms have become part of me. Just can’t help but be charming as I bring value to others and amuse myself.

But wait, didn’t you flounce around yesterday about your own soon to be great blog, and then finally wind up leaving in a huff?

SJF
SJF
9 years ago

@Mitch “Every man has to figure his own life out himself. But he can’t do it by himself, he needs the insight and experience of other men. Not shoved down his throat. What you write in your post is your perspective and it reads that way. That’s helpful because I get to decide for myself what is relevant to my situation. It’s important how we give feedback to each other, because it makes a huge difference in how it is received. You can hear and digest and integrate another man’s perspective much better if it isn’t imposed on you. To… Read more »

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“Is my quixotic quest futile?”

So long as you continue to maintain a post-structural feminist viewpoint, yes.

Mitch
Mitch
9 years ago

@SJF: You are mixing up top down approach (social engineering) and bottoms up approach (a man’s self improvement journey in a small local group, or a tribe). Social engineering? Top down? Somebody, maybe it was you, mentioned this before. I can’t see what you’re talking about. The “Great Male Awakening” is a phrase I made up to describe a phenomenon I believe I am seeing happening in the culture. It’s happening organically, from the bottom up, as men are responding in multiple different ways to the predicament they find themselves in today. Men are waking up and responding en masse… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ klem I apparently have a much, much different relationship with my male friends than you do. The guys I mentioned, we speak openly and honestly. No one is concerned with impressing another. That’s why we’re friends in the first place. It is an immense help in life for men to have true, real friends. Someone who will not ever judge you for honesty. It’s extremely difficult to cultivate these relationships. But it’s definitely worth trying. We support and help one another however we can. Lol, I’m positive a couple of my friends would help me dispose of a body… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

Wow. Evidently shit in some places is really going downhill at light speed.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Mild Man Mitch You strike me as a very small, sad, bitter man. What do you have to offer other men? If nothing, then you should crawl back under your rock. Don’t you have anything better to do than troll this place with the same old, tired, worn out 2nd stage Feminist equalitarian nonsense that has been debunked countless times over the last 20 to 30 years? Seriously, you keep coming back here under different names with that same “blank slate” fallacy junk thought as if we’ve never seen it before. You’ve said multiple times you were leaving. Too bad… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

Blaximus, “Mitch” is just “Wild Man” under a different handle.

SSDD.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
9 years ago

PS Mild Man Mitch: your “quest” is indeed Quixotic in the original sense, you should read more . And it’s still deadly, deadly dull and boring. You have some emotional need to convince other men that they are wrong and you are right, the trouble is you’ve picked an area (Red Pill) that is testable. I kept on wearing The Glasses, thinking in Red Pill terms, all weekend and it was great. Your Blue Pill grovel-on-the-ground-before-women approach would have been misery for me and for those around me. The proof of the effectiveness of realistic thinking is easy to see.… Read more »

Mitch
Mitch
9 years ago

@anonymous

Don’t you have anything better to do than troll this place with the same old, tired, worn out 2nd stage Feminist equalitarian nonsense that has been debunked countless times over the last 20 to 30 years? Seriously, you keep coming back here under different names with that same “blank slate” fallacy junk thought as if we’ve never seen it before.

I’m not an equalitarian. I haven’t posted here before under a different name. And you’re a fucking coward. Anonymouse….all you do is hurl insults – I don’t see anything that you are contributing.

Mitch
Mitch
9 years ago

Yeah, no. I was never Wild Man. No idea who you are talking about.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
9 years ago

@Blaximus – I have a longer post coming about this feud on marriage because I’ve been trying really hard to understand why several guys I respect a lot seem to be stuck in a rut and talking past each other – but that’s for later. Just one quick point on what Klem said – the thing about how guys show their best side to each other etc. Just a data point from me: not counting guys I actually met online (PUA forums/whatsapp groups for wings etc) there is exactly ONE guy IRL who knows that I am even aware of… Read more »

IAS
IAS
9 years ago

@Blaximus, @Sentient: @Blax you have very cool stories and probably achieved through your effort an end goal that a lot of younger guys would like to get to or even envy. This doesn’t mean that a younger guy now that does the same effort can achieve the same end goal. Also, since the whole OMG debate started you have often times made jabs at YaReally and then pretend or think he started picking on you again. This latest time YaReally hadn’t commented for a good while – since Mitch started posting I think he was 2 or 3 days without… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ IAS

Last time.

I never said anything about ” before YaReally comes with a 36 page anything “.

I even reposted my exact quote. I won’t bother reposting it again as the false narrative now has a life of it’s own.

What I meant was that *I* was going to write a YaReally style 36 inch long text to address an issue.

Lol, and guys keep saying I’m sensitive…… context is still king.

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ Culum Good morning bro. Re my friends, nah, we share everything. We’re like each other’s therapists. You’ve no doubt heard the ( now overused phrase) ” keeping it real ” and ” keeping it 100 “? Those phrases did not just arise out of a vacuum. Friends that have asked me things get the truth. I’m not ” ashamed ” of anything I’ve ever done in my life, or anything I think or feel. It’s impossible to ” shame ” me because I never give others that kind of power over me or my life. Have I done dumb,… Read more »

MrT
MrT
9 years ago

“Lol. Maaannnn…. I’m starting to get extremely tired of the whole married=blue pill nonsense and I feel a YaReally 36 inch long text-a-palooza, with bad words, in the near future.”

“I purposefuly speak ambiguously so that I can get upset when people choose the likelier meaning.”

Sincerely, Blaximus

IAS
IAS
9 years ago

@Blaximus: I was paraphrasing as I didn’t remember the exact text (and was explicit that I was, as I didn’t feel like hunting your comment to be more precise). I have no intention misrepresenting you. My main point stands regardless of the fine details and is independent of whatever you meant with the 36 inch comment, so there is no false narrative here. *Since the OMG debate started you’ve been making jabs at YaReally and then claim he is dragging the argument for several threads.* The argument hasn’t been a monologue, by any means. Here was your reply to Sentient… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@IAS OK. I’m not going to go on and on about this. I made myself petty clear in the example you site. But you ” see ” it differently. I have to stipulate I’m not condoning marriage because ya specifically continues to say that I do. But, you haven’t seen that at all right? Of course you haven’t. You have never read my asking why ya keeps saying I tell men to marry, right? For over a month now, and even in this very thread. Really???? You haven’t even seen it At all???? OK. No use in this interaction because… Read more »

mersonia
9 years ago

@Blaximus “OK. No use in this interaction because it’s disingenuous. You are only seeing half of the interaction for whatever reason.” Popular theme here…. I guess when you get to a certain age only one eye works. “You have never read my asking why ya keeps saying I tell men to marry, right?” In all honesty if you defend marriage and say it works…then your defending marriage and saying it works. “I just have a few dozen therapists on standby 24/7.” Copying what you write into a notepad and rereading it would do more for you Like I agree with… Read more »

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

@Mersonia:

Sentient holds himself up as the posterboy for it, for those who can reach an elite status.

Ya Really is putting it forward as the standard model, for Joe the Plumber.

And, as I noted above, the idea is prima facie absurd for Joe the Plumber on demographics alone. 90% (or even 80%) of the men cannot have a live in baby momma who is a fraction of a percent of the women.

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

“And, as I noted above, the idea is prima facie absurd for Joe the Plumber on demographics alone. ”

The demographics don’t really matter. The same principles apply for all girls.

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

IAS Sentient: you I don’t even get why you are in it. You are in the field yourself. A careful read suggests that on the elemental issues, YaReally agrees with me… he is just choosing to parse and deflect and go though belabored contortions of what KFG describes as “sneaky lawyer tricks” because he is compelled to “win” meaning everyone has to agree with “his” view. No matter who states what first and tacit or explicit agreement. The Core. EVo/bio/psych is true. The nature of women has not changed. Men lead women follow. Alpha is attractive to women Removing Alpha… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

Mersonia LIke sentient when hes used as the poster boy for basically a pltr ,but then he shoots it down and disagrees with ya and everyone who believes in the idea…when hes the posterboy for it. I’ve never advocated anyone “cheat” and I question the whole pLTR premise as respects to me on its face, because it is not “open”. So moot for these conversations. As the to negatives to the whole pLTR with kids arrangement as a dodge to the “no legal benefit” canard – see above. Most guys cannot handle one woman, much less try and work another… Read more »

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

“Most guys cannot handle one woman, much less try and work another in, and another again when they are married. They can’t handle the dopamine and it is a risk to the pair bond.”

@Sentient

How do you know this? What makes you different in that you can handle it?

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

How do you know this? Experience. I’ve done it. And I have known lots of men who cratered their whole lives who have as well.

What makes you different in that you can handle it?

Adherence to the Platinum Rule mindset, not being ego invested in it and understanding that Red Pill truths about masculinity are amoral.

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

“And I have known lots of men who cratered their whole lives who have as well.”

Were they red pill?

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

Were they red pill? He he… doubtful. Highly doubtful. I don’t think I know more than a handful of guys who are genuinely Alpha with women (not situationally with men), much less RP.

Be careful Andy.

having a bad day
having a bad day
9 years ago

@mitch Great post. This kind of analysis is appreciated – mostly because you’re riffing on what you see. You’re not saying “Mitch, this is what’s going with you xxx” , or “Mitch, you’re doing xxx”. That is intrusive and disrespects another man’s journey. it’s not disrespectful… and it’s not intrusive… bc YOU came here for some help…lol… and even if it was, i WOULD do that if i thought it would move you forward…lol… but it won’t… so i don’t… Every man has to figure his own life out himself. But he can’t do it by himself, he needs the… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

” Like I agree with most your stuff about mindsets and what not its just when you contradict yourself alot.”

just because you are incapable of understanding what I’m saying does not mean I contradict myself.

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

” PS – Blax can bench 500lbs with one hand. I am not threatened by this.”

Lmao.

Yeah right. You didn’t hear the god awful sound my shoulder made last week while benching 180 lbs….

MRI eminent.

Such is life.

IAS
IAS
9 years ago

@Sentient: in the literal sense I do lift, although I think it is more important from the mental point of view than the physical. In the metaphor though, I don’t really, because I’m not Gaming women (I did go “in the field” some 3 times the last year). I’m increasingly convinced I should be doing it, for my internal progress. I’m stuck with my own issues of being faithful and wondering about the future of my marriage. You may also recall (I certainly do) that I was feeling a bit like I was playing with dynamite on those few times… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

IAS – i remember… slippery slope because candy tastes sweet… and its whole purpose is to be eaten after all…

With your situation, ask yourself if you are happy. If not start to take the steps to change that. That’s all you can do.

Blaximus
Blaximus
9 years ago

@ Sentient “…FROM this core, you can live your life however you want to, based on your will and skill. So this renders moot the difference between “legally married divorce rape” fear and “Master PUA multiple baby mama and FB’s” success… there is no difference. what works in one works in the other. HOWEVER the MPMBMFB approach brings enormous implicit negatives to the equation (de facto cuckoldry – your money going to support another’s kid, disease, another man’s influence on your children, etc.). The escape to “slip the noose” lands you in another trap. I’ve never said “get married” for… Read more »

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

“I even went to the trouble of trying to outline what the pitfalls of trying to pull off a pltr or whatever, when kids are involved, by LISTING what the child support authorities have in store for you.”

Blaximus

Are you saying that the risk of a failed pLTR with kids is different than the risk of failed monoLTR with kids?

Sentient
Sentient
9 years ago

Blax – I blame the public schools… and not because of English class, but the decline in Gym class…

http://monkeysgonetoheaven.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/gymclass.jpg

Mitch
Mitch
9 years ago

@HABD:

Thanks. Things to think about – especially anger on my own behalf. You’re right, the FI does not tolerate men’s anger. At all.

Mitch
Mitch
9 years ago

@SJW:

Thanks for the feedback on Deida. You’re right about that – his abundance mentality, and keeping Frame.

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

“The demographics don’t really matter. The same principles apply for all girls.” The demographics matter, because: 1. Ya Really framed them to matter. <25 8+ is part of his definition. 2. An 8+ who has got herself a 9+ guy pretty much runs passive dread on herself. The guy has to fuck it up. A 5 who has got herself a 6 thinks she's a 10, because Facebook and Tinder. The guy starts out as dogmeat she had to settle for. If he has tight enough game to handle that, well, then he's not a 6, so what's he doing… Read more »

kfg
kfg
9 years ago

Mitch: “I absolutely see life as a paradox, as in x is true, and on the other hand, y is also true.”

HABD: “that’s WHY you are stuck in BP… ”

http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/29/feminist-phd-candidate-science-sexist-not-subjective/
https://www.hastac.org/blogs/ari-schlesinger/2013/11/26/feminism-and-programming-languages

He isn’t just stuck in Blue Pill. A lot of masculine, Alpha guys are stuck in Blue Pill. He’s stuck in a Cultural Marxist woman’s mental frame.

Andy
Andy
9 years ago

@kfg So, the argument is learn to spin plates. Vet. Pick one, knock her up, keep going out and flirting with/fucking other girls. I don’t see how that violates any demographics. The whole argument is preceded by “Learn to spin plates” and reach your potential. You need to do that first. (Ideally) lol. So, if you don’t think Joe the plumber can learn to spin plates… I guess that’s where we disagree? If not, you’re sperging it, because we are so far from that solution being a demographic problem that we wouldn’t have to worry about it for like 100… Read more »

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