Good Girls, Bad Girls

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Culum Struan requoted a really great thought from an old commenter, AnonymousBosch, on Heartiste’s blog from about a year ago and I thought it might make for some good weekend discussions:


All I’m getting at is that every woman has an almost psychopathic longing to destroy any perception of being ‘the good girl’. It’s the most common complaint you’ll hear from women:

“It’s so hard being good.”

Women long to indulge their emotions enough to risk being swept away by them, and it’s this self-indulgence that makes them at risk of being self-destructive: they reach a point where they just want to tear everything down, including the Good Girl, and, most commonly, their beauty. An example is hacking off their hair when they have a breakup.

It’s in their songs, it’s in their literature, it’s in their movies. The social pressure to ‘behave’ drives them to distraction, even as they conform to it, meaning they’re internalizing this constant battle to be both good and bad: wanting the social approval, rewards and status for being good but desperately-craving social stigmatization to the degree of martyrdom for being bad.

Feminism, at it’s core, is basically: “Fuck you society, I won’t be the good girl you want me to be!”

This is why it’s beloved of ugly chicks who can’t sexually compete, and those with obvious Daddy Issues.

I see my role, as a man, is to recognize their capacity for depravity, both sexual and emotional, and to offer the dominance and guidance to reign them in. Women, even as they get outraged at the very notion, simply want a man they respect to tell them ‘No’, and offer them structure and guidance. One good way I’ve heard this described on here was “She is the ocean, and you are the rock, and the furies of her storms have no impact on you. You are unyielding.”

If you’re stoic, she gets to indulge her emotions with a safety net that stops her from self-destructing, and she will adore you for it. This is the masculine – feminine relationship. She gets to be weak, knowing you’re her rock. She doesn’t want to lash out at stone that crumbles, whilst simultaneously wanting strong shelter to hide against.

Sexual degradation is part of the risk, and you temper this by always being in control of the situation. Never let her think she’s leading: or her desperation to prove her devotion to you will take her into weird, disgusting places that destroy her.

If you’ve got your player on, I guarantee you will hear some variation of this: “I’d never do this with any other guy, but you make me want to do this and I’m not sure why.”

This is their sexuality out of control by their furious emotional desire to be owned by you – they are swept away – and this is where you need to reign them in with a strong hand and be ‘Daddy’. Otherwise she’ll get stupid notions in her head that by being sexually-outlandish, she’ll be the whore women believe all guys want their wives to be, not realizing that we don’t want to think of the mother of our children blowing dogs and wearing our shit, (unless that’s really your thing).

This is what destroys women and makes the light go out in their eyes: when they degrade themselves for a man they value highly-enough in the hopes of locking him down enough only to eventually disgust him.

Sometimes, the degradation is a sex thing, where she blurts out that she’d blow a horse for you.

Sometimes, it’s physical: she wants you to see her with running mascara and her hair hacked off so you can see how ‘wounded’ and ‘vulnerable’ you’ve made her.

Sometimes it’s emotional: stories of ‘being raped’ or being abused by Exes, designed to fire you up with masculine protective instinct, but instead make you see her as damaged goods. She thinks she is showing you how much she longs for you with these socially-transgressive displays – because Social Status is female currency and power – so deliberately lowering herself in a man’s eyes is the ultimate submission for her – but all she is doing is pushing you away.

During sex: always lead, always control, always structure what is happening. She wants to serve a strong man: show her how to so she doesn’t go off on self-destructive tangents. As McQueen used to say, don’t call her ‘a’ whore, call her ‘your’ whore. Your eyes are your strength here: if she’s sucking your dick, tell her to look at you, so she has nowhere to hide. Call her your ‘good girl’ as she does it.

Basically, structure a performance of faux-degradation and sexual submissiveness she can enact it that makes her feel she’s served a strong man, that stops her crossing into actual degradation, where it starts emotionally-messing her up and leaving scars.

That being said, Millennial Girls seem to possess a capacity for self-loathing and self-destruction I’ve never seen in previous generations.

So, take what is happening in this thread: the transfer of money for sexual degradation. It’s the same core process: she’s telling herself it’s about the money, but it’s about submission before the masculine: the trappings of supreme social and financial power. It’s about thinking she’s high value enough to be submitting to Princes and Kings, so the leap to being crapped on or blowing a dog to prove she is ‘a worthy consort’ is a small one for them.

Obviously, it makes no sense to us, but women seem to be clueless as to what behaviour actually makes them attractive, and not repulsive, to men.”


I think one of the reasons AnonymousBosch finds Millennial girls to be more debased is that these girls are the first generation to be counted among the sum result of a preceding 4 generations of feminist ideologies. Likewise, Millennial men are the products of that same 4-5 generations of emasculation, feminization and the deliberate obfuscation of what masculinity “really is” for them. This deserves some explanation.

I’ve gone into the timelines and the evolution of how Hypergamy has been released from social restraints, wholesale, on western society in my Adaptations series of posts, but it’s a good review to understand what AnonymousBosch is relating here; We keep returning to Hypergamy and its regulation as a basis for an expanded vision of social structure, but it’s important to remember the behavioral prompts that women’s biology predisposes them to in that respect. Since the time of the Sexual Revolution we’ve had a systematic conditioning for, and institutionalization of, a social order that prioritizes women’s Hypergamy as the predominant one.

Unilaterally female-controlled hormonal birth control was certainly a catalyst for this social shift, but it’s important to remember that for the past 4 generations women have been raised and acculturated in a social environment not only rooted in the fempowerment narrative, but also one that encourages the excesses of the ‘bad girl’ side of Hypergamy that AnonymousBosch describes here. And as I mention in that post, the social engineering that’s led to feminine-primacy (as well as erasing the inconvenient aspects of conventional masculinity) all centers on optimizing women’s Hypergamy.

So we experience 2-3 generations of women who are conflicted between what that Fempowerment narrative has taught them they should value and the conventional, evolved biological impulses that predispose them to appreciating, enjoying and submitting to sexy male dominance. Instead of being confused and agonizing over the traditional (old order) ‘Good Girl’ social restrictions that buffered the more damaging consequences of Hypergamy, now women agonize over the conflict between what Fempowerment has conditioned them to believe they should be attracted to in an “equal partner” (Beta Bucks) and their visceral sexual drive for ‘bad’ Alpha dominance in a man they want to lose themselves with.

They’ll still lay claim to the ‘Good Girl’ social convention when it suits their purpose (i.e. during the Epiphany Phase) to affirm their decisions to prioritize a need for long term security – or to excuse past Alpha Fucks sexual needs – but the primary conflict is still the same, an internal war between the contradicting aspects of her sexual strategies and how they influence her life’s decisions and different phases of her maturity.

In her SMV Peak years, “Fuck you society, I won’t be the good girl you want me to be!” is the message she adopts insofar as it serves her sexual strategy’s immediate interests. The conflict comes when she needs to temper this sentiment with a need to settle into a motherhood role and compromise it just enough to present the appearance of being a prudent choice for long term commitment.

I see my role, as a man, is to recognize their capacity for depravity, both sexual and emotional, and to offer the dominance and guidance to reign them in. Women, even as they get outraged at the very notion, simply want a man they respect to tell them ‘No’, and offer them structure and guidance. One good way I’ve heard this described on here was “She is the ocean, and you are the rock, and the furies of her storms have no impact on you. You are unyielding.”

When men first come to Red Pill awareness about the motivations of women’s sexual strategy it’s very easy to see their behaviors as being intentional or their after-the-fact rationalizations for them as being convenient and expedient in excusing them. There is a definite design to the psychological and social schema women will use to explain their actions, particularly when they’re anti-social, sexist and/or damaging to the men who bear the worst of them.

Not to say men should tolerate this, but it’s important for men to understand the underlying psychology and motivators for women’s behaviors. It would seem AnonymousBosch has embraced this understanding. Again, it’s easy to think you’ll just put your foot down and not tolerate women’s bad behaviors, but this ignores those same female-motivators, sacrifices a real understanding of them and attempts to replace learning to maneuver them with the misguided hope that women will be rational agents and change their behaviors because we say so.

Men of this mindset believe the same ‘equalist’ hope that women will cease to be the “most mature teenager in the house” because they rationally explained to them that they should ignore their base motivators (Hypergamy) and act reasonably. This doesn’t work for women, nor does it work for men when women attempt to convince men to adopt a feminist mindset based on exactly the same appeal to reason. The boner doesn’t lie, and neither does women’s sexually strategic behavior.

In an age of unfettered, socially and legally affirmed Hypergamy it’s counterproductive to expect any woman to self-police her own sexual strategies by appealing to her reason.

The good news, as outlined by AnonymousBosch, is that Red Pill awareness and internalized Game are the same buffering contingencies for Hypergamy as they’ve always been. The trick for men now is to reestablish and embrace a connection to the conventional masculinity that’s been systematically conditioned out of men for 2-3 generations. In fact, there’s no better evidence of this Blue Pill conditioning than the common sense of counterintuitive-ness of embracing a masculinity that puts a man into a position of exercising the dominance women need.

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Andy
Andy
6 years ago

“In other words AFCs aren’t all dorks and geeks, and being attractive doesn’t insulate you from internalizing stupid, feminized romanticisms.”

Okay, so looks will get you an occasional random lay. My POINT is that anyone that is coming here for advice is looking for more than an occasional random lay with a 5 or 6. Hence PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, looks don’t matter.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

Rollo: “As I’ve stated many times prior, I 100% agree that Game, social dominance, internalized confidence, etc. (even irrational confidence) provokes an emotional response – positive or negative – that evokes ‘tingles’. Game focuses on the same attraction triggers that indicate SMV, however, that value is still predicated upon rudimentary aspects that are indicative of a survival benefit.” Rollo: “What YaReally (I believe) is stating is that the operative point is a man adopt and express this confidence, dominance and status signaling behavior that keys on the (evolved) attraction cues of women through a constant practice in clubs and social… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“women are SUPER picky wrt to their ‘visceral responses’…but they’re also NATURALLY into fucking random animals.”

I have made no such statement. In particular, the insertion of randomness is entirely your own.

But yes, the responses of the hindbrain need not be logically consistent with the responses of the forebrain.

And only a forebrain can insist that they be so.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

YaReally
Watch these again with the volume off, then watch them again with your eyes closed and listening to JUST the audio.

Excellent. The subcomms are more easier to see with the audio off.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

“But yes, the responses of the hindbrain need not be logically consistent with the responses of the forebrain. And only a forebrain can insist that they be so.” Also from Franco: “I tell this because many of you will have, due to societal influence, a tendency to deny a woman’s detector’s sexual signals (Ed. –how they choose men), because your teacher and your parents probably taught you that women are angels and good mothers, without any sexual drive. The truth is that men have much better control on their sexual drive then women because they are able to use logic.… Read more »

scray
scray
6 years ago

@rollo “Dominance, aggression, violence, assertiveness, cockiness, etc. are all well-proven behavioral manifestations of testosterone.” k. those are all BEHAVIORS, so sure. ‘ The fact that a guy get jacked on roids doesn’t solve the question of why he would want to.’ k well now you’re talking about behavior and not physicality…. but ya social conditioning would have solved a problem…. you can’t have everyone acting like Tyler if you want them to be good worker bees can you? it’s probably useful to make up some bullshit to convince 80% of the men that they ought to ‘know their place’ and… Read more »

scray
scray
6 years ago

@rollo

“Why would the two differ so significantly?”

a LOT more testosterone?

‘Perhaps women are less picky in an r selection environment as opposed to a K selected one?’

k lol the r/k stuff i’m not discussing seriously in the context of ppl, sorry

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

kfg
Oh, and here is what most Vegas people actually look like:

That’s casino people in general. Vegas, Laughlin, Atlantic City, pretty much any Indian casino. There are people in Vegas who don’t live on the slots..if you want to call that “living”, of course.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“what if the KEY factor . . . was acting exactly like that — as if YOU were the highest status person possible and that no one was better.”

Your error would be demonstrated to you.

having a bad day
having a bad day
6 years ago

@YaReally Rollo holy wall of text, batman!!!!…lol… My big question is how can Rollo say stuff like “Tyler is using tricks to give off the same high-value triggers a jacked rich guy gives off” and not realize how that indicates that looks don’t matter, the high-value triggers are what matter. Like, legitimately, how do you process that and turn it into “so the lesson is looks matter”?? It’s solving 90% of the math equation and then just throwing random numbers in at the end lol… Honestly I think Rollo agrees with us but just doesn’t fully consciously realize it or… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

KFG ““what if the KEY factor . . . was acting exactly like that — as if YOU were the highest status person possible and that no one was better.” “Your error would be demonstrated to you.” exactly. and this “what if the very IDEA of THINKING that anyone else is somehow intrinsically BETTER than you are is what is against human nature?” is backwards… the idea that we are all the same is what is against human nature. People always think equalism is about raising the lower half but it is much more about lowering the upper half where… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

” second of all, men are more visual but ya, they’re also subject to some of this too. men in different societies prefer different WHR and some prefer higher BMI’s……”

Ahem. Cosign.

hank holiday
hank holiday
6 years ago

@Agent P “Seems like this thread is locked into a dumb kind of false binary argument. To me it seems like this WRT being jacked, good looking vs game etc. There is no versus here, it’s all additive. So let’s say SMV 7 has a threshold of 10, we need to get to that score to be able to open her, maintain and build interest of a sexual nature and eventually close her. Scoring, GAME, from -3 to +5 available for points. Height from 0 to 3 points available Body fat% from -3 to 3 points available Social proof, from… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

How many Chad Thundercocks can dance on the head of a pinhead?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

@kfg

Windows or Mac?

9mm or .45?

Multispeed bike or single speed?

Frankly, the college girlies sitting behind me talking about “men” in general and one girly’s “man” in particular while I sit with earbuds are more interesting to me at this moment.

Andy
Andy
6 years ago

“The root of the conflict is that the rollo/looks side versus the yareally/game side is that they want to say one side is a little better than the other. I’m saying they are both right — depending on your personality.”

@hank

The difference, as YaReally points out constantly, is that if you base your confidence on an external value and then you lose that external thing for whatever reason then you also lose your confidence. Whereas if you built up your confidence strictly internally nothing will phase you as you get older, poorer, whatever.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Andy
The difference, as YaReally points out constantly, is that if you base your confidence on an external value and then you lose that external thing for whatever reason then you also lose your confidence. Whereas if you built up your confidence strictly internally nothing will phase you as you get older, poorer, whatever.

Ding! Cosign.

Used to know some fencers, foil / epee’ / saber. Common saying in those circles: “as the legs get slower, the hand gets wiser”.

Mindset. The first tool of strategy, any strategy, is the mind.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ scray ” k lol the r/k stuff i’m not discussing seriously in the context of ppl, sorry” I don’t buy the K/r selected theory as it relates to actual people, but I do believe there are environments that are similar to those pointed out in “r” selection theory. I’ve seen them up close and personal. Unstable, density independent environments. Yup. But the mechanisms, specifically production of offspring, are totally different when it comes to humans. The narrative appears to fit, so science runs with that. Place any 10 women and 10 men in an environment where they have not… Read more »

quixotic
quixotic
6 years ago

@Yareally Thank you as always for your advice and input. “There’s no such thing as magic sense. They’re just very quickly reading and processing your subcomms. A lot of dudes raging with testosterone also give off a desperate/frustrated vibe (hang out with a jacked Natural who hasn’t been laid in a few weeks and see how fucking annoying/pissy he is lol). It comes down to subcomms.” You make a really good point. I was ready to just attribute this to woo-woo pheromone/testosterone level sniffing but your explanation makes perfect sense. I have been that dude in the past lol like… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Yareally

This one you posted today deserves calling out from the wall… Must watch, especially if you are having fairly regular success.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buIrmwwMjeI

Thanks

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“as the legs get slower, the hand gets wiser”.

I’m going to have to come up with a second term that adapts that to cycling.

The other night I was riding with a low sun at my back and started watching shadows. My shadow, only the legs move. Everything else looks like a cardboard cut out applied to the road.

Other people, everything moves. A waste of energy and an increase in aerodynamic drag.

scray
scray
6 years ago

@kfg

“Your error would be demonstrated to you.”

if you think other people can demonstrate that they are INTRINSICALLY more valuable than you are to you, that explains the root of this entire disconnect.

@sentient

” the idea that we are all the same is what is against human nature”

not what i put forward, so…

‘Society would not be more egalitarian, it would be what it was, more hierarchical, naturally ordered’

then why where men DO ACT LIKE THAT, are the societies NOT what you say they’d be?

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

“Place any 10 women and 10 men in an environment where they have not much and nothing really to do that’s worthwhile and productive, and you will witness a population explosion. It’s independent of whether the parents are suitable or not, which drives offspring survival and makes it possible for them to thrive, it becomes more about free-time fucking. More free time, more fucking, more offspring. The environment is ” r ” selected, the people are just people driven by circumstance.”

Blax – what do you think of Iceland?

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Sentient

” Blax – what do you think of Iceland?”

Iceland has a shitload of volcanos and geysers.

…lmao

No, I kid, what do you mean re: Iceland? I don’t know too much about it.

theasdgamer
6 years ago

@ scray

just-so evo psych doesn’t cut it.

Preach it, bro.

Evo-psychosis couldn’t prove its way out of a brown paper bag.

Experimental physics has rigorous physical control on whatever it is studying. Evo-psych has good feelz.

quixotic
quixotic
6 years ago

@sentient Yes yes good calling out that video of Julien on still getting rejected. I love the feeling when a girl completely blows me out/turns her back and walks away because it used to be painful and make me feel a sting…now it feels like “oh well on to the next adventure” 🙂 Women are like the bus. If you miss one, wait ten minutes and another one will be by Also totally off topic but i wanted to mention that if anyone needs some balls to the wall state-pumping rock music full of red pill lyrics, check out Eagles… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“if you think other people can demonstrate that they are INTRINSICALLY more valuable than you are to you, that explains the root of this entire disconnect.”

Have you been possessed by He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named’s demon?

Denounce Evo-Psych as “Just So” stories and then rely on INTRINSIC value?

Gedouttaheah.

Tiberius
Tiberius
6 years ago

This brings to mind what happened with my most recent ex which has been a source of confusion for me. On our very first date she blurted out of nowhere that she had an abortion when she was 16. We had a mutual friend and when I talked to her about it she told me that it took her being close friends for 6 months for my ex to tell her that. Another thing was she would not stop telling me sexual things about her past. She’d blurt out that she had a threesome with an ex or that a… Read more »

scray
scray
6 years ago

@kfg

“Denounce Evo-Psych as “Just So” stories and then rely on INTRINSIC value?”

here, in case you missed it:

‘‘So great is the contrast with human hunter-gatherers that it is widely argued by palaeoanthropologists that resistance to being dominated was a key factor driving the evolutionary emergence of human consciousness, language, kinship and social organization.[10][11][12]’
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter-gatherer#Archaeological_evidence

one resists being dominated when one doesn’t believe anyone else is worth more than them or has any right or claim to domination.

I rely on what palaeoanthroplogists have suggested.

why so desperate for a master, guys?

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

I was raised to resist dominance, and I also have TONS of experience with people that believe that they have MORE value than I do, by merely existing.

I come from a long and distinguished line of resisters. Lol.

But it’s all anecdotal.

I wanna watch kfg and scray flesh it out.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

” why so desperate for a master, guys?”

imo, most people don’t see it in this way. It’s as if everyone must bow to someone. It’s ” normal ” and accepted.

I place no man above myself at anytime, in my own mind. That would be a form of death.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Blax “I place no man above myself at anytime, in my own mind. That would be a form of death.”

We are all often legends in our own mind. However when it comes to my heart, I’ll place my trust not in me, but in my cardiologist. Anything else, well that would be a form of death…

PS – re Iceland, consider it – a rock in the middle of the ocean – was settled at the end of the first millennium with several thousand, yet today has only 350 thousand people… in light of your theory.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 years ago

Final Conference Update – thanks to YaReally Sentient Wala SJF HABD and all the other guys who posted. Right guys, conference over. Am exhausted but was a great experience. Some solid work leads and even more importantly, made a start in getting into this field and got to know some people and enjoyed myself. Will definitely be putting more time into this new field. Just talked to everyone including chodes and tried to spread good vibes, especially after seeing comments on my last post. Did a little bit of introducing people to each other and promising to introduce people to… Read more »

betathrowaway
betathrowaway
6 years ago

@scray, Just So stories are a problem in evo psych and mean that it won’t be as solid as harder sciences, but doesn’t mean EP has no value. Also, quoting Sex at Dawn while complaining about Just So stories is ironic. That book is a mixture of legitimate complaints about evo psych monogamy paradigms with a bunch of Just So stories about nonmonogamy. Also, could you clarify your position re social constructivism? At times it seems you are arguing that female attraction is entirely socially constructed, other times that this belief may not be entirely accurate, but is a useful… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@newlyaloof Got a buddy who’s a gym buff helping me out. My big thing is the internal reframe of working out and the pain afterward (which I’m in right now from my first workout in ages lol) as fun and awesome and manly “JUST WEAKNESS LEAVING THE BODY” instead of “fuck this why does anyone do this now I’m going to be sore when I’m sarging ahh I hate this” lol @TheOldOligarch “there’s tons of wiggle room between omg, just looks and looks don’t matter” The thing is it IS black and white. But guys want to cling to wiggle… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 years ago

Oh and PS guys, I did the entire conference with an enormous flashing zit on my nose. It didn’t matter at all. Looks…pfft. (Honestly though I think @quixotic said it best somewhere up there – I won’t bother restating it in my own words)

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

He’s got social proof and dominance. Lol
she rejected society’s conditioning and accepted money instead.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1B7Xmn3YQtc

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ Sentient ” PS – re Iceland, consider it – a rock in the middle of the ocean – was settled at the end of the first millennium with several thousand, yet today has only 350 thousand people… in light of your theory.” Buuuutttt, Iceland suffers from the same malady that many societies suffer from when life becomes just a little too easy and satisfying. Birth rates slow and decline. Even though Iceland has a higher birthrate than most of Europe, as a nation they only have 100,000 more people than my city. Wassup with that? Higher ” quality ”… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Culum

Great conference FR. Just remember those post conference hotel lobbies are like that everywhere… Like anyplace you are you can go cruise them and find the same crowds.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

See how fempower!
She agreed on an apology from Ghomeshi inside the court house, but just meters out side the steps of the court house, she’s disagreeing!!

Ps,
This is the woman who admitted she was sexualizing the work place and she uses to tell “fist fucking jokes in meetings” and wonders why Ghomeshi humps her!.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NSjnCDqGcCs

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@Culum Struan “I kept thinking about what you said to “make people feel good about themselves” and that worked well too – like I had one old guy tell me about parenting and how he’d brought up his kids and stuff and I told him how much I admired the efforts and time he’d put into teaching his kids skills and the results they had (and it was genuine – I really did) and he really liked it.” Conversational tactic: To get that conversation to flow and keep adding value to the guy: Follow that up with “Wow, or that… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@Softek “I have major work to do on my internals.” You’ll get there. The fact that you’re even here taking any of this information in and sharing your progress with us is an indicator that you’re driven to get a handle on them. The only difference between Tyler, Julien, myself, etc is that we’ve collected enough reference experiences to have strong internal frames, by going out and forcing ourself into uncomfortable situations. We all started out as huge chodes internally. “to Ya’s credit I probably only talk about my friend like he’s a hero because he has good subcomms etc.,… Read more »

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
6 years ago

@YaReally

Wait, so what do you call it when you stuff someone into their head so you can fuck up their shit in case they wanna fuck up YOUR shit? Also, as shit evolves, wont this become a thing?

Do guys infield try each other like that and either end up fighting or becoming friends?

Oh wait. Of course it would go that way…..

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
6 years ago

@YaReally

Also, LOL you lift now. Fucking hypocrite….

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

http://www.paintinghere.org/UploadPic/Unknown%20Artist/big/Muhammad%20Ali%20vs.%20Sonny%20Liston.jpg

Resisting dominance is not the same thing as not being dominated.

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
6 years ago

@kfg

Fuck I can always count on YOU to come out of the woodwork to clarify shit like this for me.

Thank you. So what are people doing that to eachother with? Their own self-belief?

OH! So then what I have to do when people resist my dominance is simply acknowledge it to myself and respond accordingly, which is itself a huge DHV.

Correct?

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
6 years ago

@kfg

I guess their presentation and their sub-communications and basically being un-phased by their lack of an ability to accept that you have their shit together and it’s having an effect on them they can’t explain.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

” Resisting dominance is not the same thing as not being dominated ”

true enough, but one can’t exist without the other.

Always resist.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

… for men, that is.

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
6 years ago

@Blax

I dunno man. It would explain how YaReally just laughs off displays of violence in people. It’s like He seems to look upon those types of people with genuine pity. Like they’ve just issued an Ultimatum, “Hey STOP BEING COOL AROUND ME!” Where’s MAH 9????!!” which is a declaration of Powerlessness.

scray
scray
6 years ago

@kfg

way to argue against some more shit i didn’t say.

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@Tiberius May 11th, 2016 at 1:57 pm A cold read of your comment would suggest that the ex was a low self esteem woman. She was comfortable with your non-judgementalism and opened up to you about her sexuality and former relationships. LSE women have very chaotic and poorly defined borders around their ego and easily let strangers into their sphere of personal intimacy. You probably shouldn’t have continued the relationship if she was indeed, LSE, but I bet you became nicer and nicer to her. If she really was low self esteem, those women like nastier and wilder and cruder… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
6 years ago

But of course she’s an outlier, he’s in it just for the attention/money, he’s being paid, he’s damaged/insane, he’ll cheat on her, etc etc etc Because we won’t look at her confident subcomms/attitude/etc, we’ll just write her off as some freak anomally even though Rollo is asking for a video showing exactly what he asked for. We need THOUSANDS of women like her before we’ll accept that this is possible. And we’ll make the same excuses to rationalize it into our socially conditioned paradigm just like we’ll do with this woman :

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Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
6 years ago

@Blax

Whatever man you know Joe Frazier whipped that ass real good back in the day.

Ali: Do you know who I am? I am GOD!!!

Joe: Hmmm. Well God. You’re in the wrong place today!!

Christian vs. Muslim

Self-delusion, vs. Entitlement

Place your bets people!

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
6 years ago

@Rollo

About time you mentioned Lemmy.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

Lol Yollo. Frazier = 1 win out of 3 bouts.

… no shade on Smokin’ Joe though.

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“true enough, but one can’t exist without the other”

Exactly. It’s a sport. It’s where formalized sports come from.
And if you keep the girls out of it sports have winners and losers.
Then you can shake hands and start over again.

Assuming you live.

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
6 years ago

@herpes sore

STFU…….

Tiberius
Tiberius
6 years ago

@SJF Thank you for your thoughts but I would have to go into tremendous detail to fully elaborate on why my thoughts are stuck on this(but you are correct she is very LSE so good call on that). I however did not get nicer, I grew much colder over time and she correctly attributed it to her weight gain when she said at one point while we were in her bed “I’m going to lose weight so you find me attractive again.” to which I was too shocked to respond to. I was only willing to overlook everything because how… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“It would explain how YaReally just laughs off displays of violence in people.”

In a frame fight, the first to be affected looses. Going into fight or flight mode is submission.

A solid Alpha Leader of Men type will then take the initiative to defuse and buy the first round.

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ kfg ” In a frame fight, the first to be affected looses. Going into fight or flight mode is submission. A solid Alpha Leader of Men type will then take the initiative to defuse and buy the first round.” Buy??? Lol. Okay, you’re right. When I bounced in a strip club, it lasted around 5 years. I never had to actually punch anyone, but a few times I had to…drag… a patron outside. Gently as possible, mind you. I liked 90% of the guys, but a few couldn’t hold their drinks properly. Took them outside and chatted, all nice… Read more »

walawala
walawala
6 years ago

@Culum I think those professional things are easy to pull at because there is a sense that everyone must be on their “best behavior” so even low-level game: a neg, a tease, eye contact—amps up the sexuality.

Asking the HB7 for her contacts….ejecting her to another location….all possible and I would have attempted that if I was in that position.

YaReally
6 years ago

@Agent P “There is no versus here, it’s all additive.” Looks are NOT additive though. That’s my point. Put it this way: Good eye-contact is never NOT attractive. If you can demonstrate good eye-contact, you WILL get attraction. That’s additive. There’s no point where preselection is NOT attractive. If you can demonstrate preselection, you WILL get attraction. That’s additive. If you have massive social proof, you WILL get attraction. That’s additive. If you can demonstrate leader of men, you WILL get attraction. That’s additive. BUT. With LOOKS. You don’t even have to leave your computer chair to go watch 3… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Not a field report Earlier I was in a coffee joint trying to get something useful done while checking RM once in a while and then my attention was drawn by 2, then 3 girlies behind me. They took themselves on an emotional roller coaster ride because one of them had a May-un who was out of town and clearly suffering from serious one-itis. The story dribbled out in bits and rabbit trails as these things do. Features: Girly #1 luved the fact that a man had oneitis for her but couldn’t resist reading some of his communications (text /… Read more »

Striver
Striver
6 years ago

You never want to start life down a strike. Or two. Take looks, money, likability, whatever you’re given. Yeah, you might overcome stuff. But you might not. Look at John Lennon. How the hell does anyone like that wind up with Yoko? A two time loser too, a first marriage to some chick he knocked up? Bad internals. Worked his ass off to get to the top, but bad internals. Was the alpha in the band, but McCartney took it away from him. Because time is money, and while you’re trying to get your internals cleaned up, guys without those… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

kfg
In a frame fight, the first to be affected looses. Going into fight or flight mode is submission.

Doubly so if a woman triggers fight / flight / freeze in a man. At that point he’s totally in her frame. Best option probably is disengage and burn off the adreniline / cortisol dump somehow, maybe by lifting heavy things…

YaReally
6 years ago

@Softek “Not to mention the benefits of being healthy in general.” Nobody is arguing that being healthy isn’t good. Personally I would love if a guy could spend half his day in the gym and half his day sarging, but the reality is most people have a very small window of free time and very low amounts of energy to get shit DONE in that free time (VS just sitting on the couch watching Netflix or posting on the internet lol), to go take on both things at once. Just like a guy who’s investing all his time in getting… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

So your goal in being born is to be some trust fund snot who can make a million mistakes and still come into money.

Then die of an OD after the 4th trip through rehab.

Sad but true.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

Softek, everything that YaReally is telling you is good stuff.
Let me reinforce one thing: stop fretting or talking about your dick.

Don’t make Blaximus go dropping memes on your head.

Just. Stop. It. Now.

Johnycomelately
Johnycomelately
6 years ago

Softek you remind me of myself so I enjoy reading your posts. Please don’t take offence as this might not apply to you. After the Pook reference post I sort of had an epiphany that I am oblivious to group social status and the subtle intricacies of the social dance. I literally have no concept of what ‘cool’ is and I am often surprised by who is considered the ‘in’ guy. In response I did an online autism questionnaire (I know they’re not really accurate but good for a starting point) and it seems like I’m a fucking full blown… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@Rollo “that is also a result of social conditioning, but the fact still remains that these cues still stimulate and provoke a visceral response that’s part of our evolved firmware” The difference is that preselection is ALWAYS attractive. Social proof is ALWAYS attractive. Good eye-contact is ALWAYS attractive. Dominant physicality is ALWAYS attractive. But good looks are not ALWAYS attractive because we all know (or SHOULD know from going out or just opening our eyes or watch Keys to the VIP etc etc) that plenty of good-looking rich etc guys are NOT getting attraction from girls. Plenty of them are… Read more »

SJF
SJF
6 years ago

@Tiberius “Thank you for your thoughts but I would have to go into tremendous detail to fully elaborate on why my thoughts are stuck on this” ….I believe the cause was too much ass hole game… But my whole comment was trying to understand why she did what she did.. I’ve read TRP stuff for around 3 years now and I get most of why she did what she did but it’s some very small detail that is making it hard for me to understand…. You threw out some bait here on a relationship game problem that you seem reluctant… Read more »

scray
scray
6 years ago

@ya “now you can DO stuff like link this shit together and not really care what’s related to what or what’s causing what because you’re just tearing shit up and enjoying life.” yeah plus just focused on giving value. it’s hilarious that i was arguing with blax earlier to INSIST how AWESOME his lift was…. “it’s your going out regularly the last few years and putting yourself in situations where you don’t fall into society’s standards (moreso at the start of your sarging journey than now)” im still out every weekend and ill make sure to try and get an… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ AR

…. lol, too late

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/53086652.jpg

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago
Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago
YaReally
6 years ago

@scray “there’s no good science that says your looks objectively matter one way or the other. so it’s a matter of ‘if you think it HELPS you to believe in all of that, cool, if not, you definitely don’t need to.’” This. There are a lot of REALLY STRONG BELIEFS and experiments that if you squint your eyes really hard and tilt your head sideways you can say that they maybe kind of support your theory. But that’s just social conditioning looking to confirm itself. Meanwhile, infield, even just in those Keys to the VIP vids ALONE, you can see… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Yareally – You are killing me with this thread… I think you are frustrated because you are not logically consistent and using imprecise and changing language to make your point. Like this here ““It’s the DIAMOND CORE TRAITS that the muscles/money/etc REPRESENT that you are LIKELY TO HAVE, that are attractive.”” The muscles/money represent [via visual observation] diamond core traits that are assumed to correlate to muscles/money. Ergo on first glance, the muscles/money are attractive for this presumption. They ARE attractive but NOT deterministic. That’s the real message. We can leave this issue of whether this is evo/psych evolutionary or… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

@ YaReally I. Love. You. Man. You are putting up an epic argument for your points. Good shit. Got me thinking. Buuuttt, I disagree with this- ” You are picking and choosing stuff that reinforces your socially conditioned view while ignoring all the evidence against it and you are combining looks and subcomms into one thing when looks and subcomms are two different things that are independent of eachother (a good-looking guy can have weak subcomms and not get attraction and an ugly guy can have great subcomms and get attraction).” A good looking guy can have weak subcomms and… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@Rollo “The idea is that women aren’t aroused by a man’s physique, but rather the confidence and behaviors of a man who feels he deserves an HB 9 because he’s achieved a physique (or status) that believes merits women’s arousal.” I would change this to “rather the confidence and behaviors of a man who feels he deserves an HB 9 because he’s ACHIEVED SOMETHING HE CONSIDERS TO BE HIGH-VALUE/STATUS THAT HE BELIEVES MERITS WOMEN’S AROUSAL” which is what Julien, Tyler, myself, Softek’s big dick friend, etc are all doing out there. We are defining what high-value IS and basing it… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
6 years ago

” This is my whole point. I want to build men who get those iois from their GAME, from their eye-contact and their frame dominance and their leading of men and their dominant physicality and their assuredness in themselves etc etc, their INTERNALS, because those are going to be with them for LIFE in ANY circumstance, instead of being situational and/or dependent on maintaining their 12% body fat or their successful business. Part of why guys come to you wanting to off themselves looking for help is because they don’t believe they have the value to “make it” in the… Read more »

Striver
Striver
6 years ago

YaReally – It’s not the looks with me, or money really. It’s social stuff. I’ve never been a popular guy. Too intense, maybe. Plus I’m 99th percentile and on average guys like me have issues. I work on my shit, but I don’t want to fool myself. My chances of regularly being at the center of anyone’s social life are basically zero. I’m better off focusing on different stuff. So the jacked guy who was too dumb to talk, I applaud him for focusing on what he could do. There isn’t always an easy route, not every one can be… Read more »

betathrowaway
betathrowaway
6 years ago

@yareally, For me at least, the reason you are getting pushback is that it sounds like you are contradicting yourself. It seems like you are saying looks don’t matter at all, but then saying looks do matter, but only a little bit and fleetingly, are an inefficient use of time and energy, and a poor foundation to build upon. I don’t think anyone disagrees with the second part, but they disagree with the first. You then answer back saying that the second argument is bulletproof, but your language seems to mix both arguments. That’s why I asked for more precise… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@scray “your looks impact you only because you were born in a society conditioned to respond to your looks in a certain way, and in turn, your society conditions YOU in a certain way — if you’re red-headed and short or whatever, you DON’T GET with hot chicks.” This. Those are not UNIVERSAL INHERENT ATTRACTIVE/UNATTRACTIVE qualities. But social conditioning has told us (and maybe even ACCURATELY especially in pre-modern-law/technology days) that being tall and jacked means you’re LIKELY to have the ACTUAL diamond core universally attractive traits. But those are socially conditioned. Is every asian ACTUALLY a ninja? No. But… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

KFG: “Your error would be demonstrated to you.”

Ya Really: “The field disagrees”

You have lived in the hunter-gatherer field?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
6 years ago

YaReally delivers: It’s LITERALLY the key to their survival/replication, to be expertly tuned at picking up those subcomms. It’s literally the difference between life or death and alpha offspring or beta offspring or no offspring. So ya, they’re tuned to that shit lol Esp once they hit puberty and tons of boys/men start trying to take value from them and use them and it becomes even MORE vital for them to detect those subcomms. That’s why SO MANY sets can be going GREAT and then you do ONE TEENY TINY incongruent thing or miss a window etc and BOOM the… Read more »

insanitybytes22
6 years ago

Gah! Tomassi, how can you be so perverse and downright wrong? That’s just incredible! To make matters worse, you lack the intellectual curiosity needed to truly understand.

YaReally
6 years ago

@Culum “Oh and PS guys, I did the entire conference with an enormous flashing zit on my nose. It didn’t matter at all. Looks…pfft.” lol usually the thing that pushes guys off the looks edge is they go out not realizing they have a giant zit or big stain on their shirt or something and don’t look the way they thought they did, and still have a bunch of success, then get home and go “oh shit I looked like THAT????” and are forced to accept that “well I guess it doesn’t matter, huh…” @SJF “At that point you are… Read more »

kfg
kfg
6 years ago

“I have no idea wtf you’re talking about, Riddler.” I know. That’s why I asked. You have lost track of the conversations you are engaging in, so not all of your responses make contexual sense. There is no riddle, the field in question was explicitly set as interactions between men among hunter-gatherers, and I did not set the field. I have, however, experienced it, not just read about it in a book or “study.” ” Why can’t you talk like normal people” Why can’t you interact with women like normal people? Because what normal people do returns what normal people… Read more »

quixotic
quixotic
6 years ago

“It’s LITERALLY the key to their survival/replication, to be expertly tuned at picking up those subcomms. It’s literally the difference between life or death and alpha offspring or beta offspring or no offspring. So ya, they’re tuned to that shit lol Esp once they hit puberty and tons of boys/men start trying to take value from them and use them and it becomes even MORE vital for them to detect those subcomms. That’s why SO MANY sets can be going GREAT and then you do ONE TEENY TINY incongruent thing or miss a window etc and BOOM the girl shuts… Read more »

YaReally
6 years ago

@kfg “There is no riddle, the field in question was explicitly set as interactions between men among hunter-gatherers, and I did not set the field.” No I get that you’ve taken things off into a weird tangent, but I have no idea what relevant point it has with regards to the discussion. If you have something to say, flat out say it instead of couching it in weird ambiguous open to interpretation one-liners. The original context was taking delusional confidence into the SARGING field and you went off on a tangent into buffalo killing you or whatever point you’re trying… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
6 years ago

YaReally Sentient Wala et al – thanks guys. More later am in a rush now but I just thought of this and wanted to add it before I forgot: 1. I didn’t realize this till just now but the HB7 asking me to hold her drink and going to the restroom was HER way of locking ME in, so that I don’t vanish when she goes away. Also the same reason why she waited till the chode came to talk to us to go to the restroom – so I’d have some guy to occupy me instead of one of… Read more »

Jimmy B
Jimmy B
6 years ago

dailylife.com.au/life-and-love/love-sex-and-relationships/i-miss-being-sexually-attractive-20160427-gofyx1.html

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

Yareally “Anyone disagree with that summary at this point?” If you include two words, agree. Looks/money will get you free gimme ioi’s here and there because those externals represent a higher possibility that you are more likely to have the ACTUAL diamond core attractive traits (dominance, preselection, confidence, etc aka your subcomms aka things that are 100% of the time additive to attraction), but 1) if you don’t develop your internals (which lifting generally doesn’t develop, you don’t learn to handle social pressure and shit-tests through lifting at the rate you do through sarging), and 2) you [may be]basing your… Read more »

Bromeo
Bromeo
6 years ago

@yareally “Looks/money will get you free gimme ioi’s here and there because those externals represent a higher possiblity that you are more likely to have the ACTUAL diamond core attractive traits (dominance, preselection, confidence, etc aka your subcomms aka things that are 100% of the time additive to attraction)” ? How are you saying this and then arguing the study Rollo posted that backs this up…You cant have it both ways and say “Yea good looking dudes will get auto ioi’s, but all of them have zero sub comms”. That’s ridiculous, why wouldn’t every man use both advantages and get… Read more »

Bromeo
Bromeo
6 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWSP5CfuwiI

Ill just leave this here.

Sentient
Sentient
6 years ago

http://i.imgur.com/fbugbCL.gif

Bromeo!

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