Good Girls, Bad Girls

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Culum Struan requoted a really great thought from an old commenter, AnonymousBosch, on Heartiste’s blog from about a year ago and I thought it might make for some good weekend discussions:


All I’m getting at is that every woman has an almost psychopathic longing to destroy any perception of being ‘the good girl’. It’s the most common complaint you’ll hear from women:

“It’s so hard being good.”

Women long to indulge their emotions enough to risk being swept away by them, and it’s this self-indulgence that makes them at risk of being self-destructive: they reach a point where they just want to tear everything down, including the Good Girl, and, most commonly, their beauty. An example is hacking off their hair when they have a breakup.

It’s in their songs, it’s in their literature, it’s in their movies. The social pressure to ‘behave’ drives them to distraction, even as they conform to it, meaning they’re internalizing this constant battle to be both good and bad: wanting the social approval, rewards and status for being good but desperately-craving social stigmatization to the degree of martyrdom for being bad.

Feminism, at it’s core, is basically: “Fuck you society, I won’t be the good girl you want me to be!”

This is why it’s beloved of ugly chicks who can’t sexually compete, and those with obvious Daddy Issues.

I see my role, as a man, is to recognize their capacity for depravity, both sexual and emotional, and to offer the dominance and guidance to reign them in. Women, even as they get outraged at the very notion, simply want a man they respect to tell them ‘No’, and offer them structure and guidance. One good way I’ve heard this described on here was “She is the ocean, and you are the rock, and the furies of her storms have no impact on you. You are unyielding.”

If you’re stoic, she gets to indulge her emotions with a safety net that stops her from self-destructing, and she will adore you for it. This is the masculine – feminine relationship. She gets to be weak, knowing you’re her rock. She doesn’t want to lash out at stone that crumbles, whilst simultaneously wanting strong shelter to hide against.

Sexual degradation is part of the risk, and you temper this by always being in control of the situation. Never let her think she’s leading: or her desperation to prove her devotion to you will take her into weird, disgusting places that destroy her.

If you’ve got your player on, I guarantee you will hear some variation of this: “I’d never do this with any other guy, but you make me want to do this and I’m not sure why.”

This is their sexuality out of control by their furious emotional desire to be owned by you – they are swept away – and this is where you need to reign them in with a strong hand and be ‘Daddy’. Otherwise she’ll get stupid notions in her head that by being sexually-outlandish, she’ll be the whore women believe all guys want their wives to be, not realizing that we don’t want to think of the mother of our children blowing dogs and wearing our shit, (unless that’s really your thing).

This is what destroys women and makes the light go out in their eyes: when they degrade themselves for a man they value highly-enough in the hopes of locking him down enough only to eventually disgust him.

Sometimes, the degradation is a sex thing, where she blurts out that she’d blow a horse for you.

Sometimes, it’s physical: she wants you to see her with running mascara and her hair hacked off so you can see how ‘wounded’ and ‘vulnerable’ you’ve made her.

Sometimes it’s emotional: stories of ‘being raped’ or being abused by Exes, designed to fire you up with masculine protective instinct, but instead make you see her as damaged goods. She thinks she is showing you how much she longs for you with these socially-transgressive displays – because Social Status is female currency and power – so deliberately lowering herself in a man’s eyes is the ultimate submission for her – but all she is doing is pushing you away.

During sex: always lead, always control, always structure what is happening. She wants to serve a strong man: show her how to so she doesn’t go off on self-destructive tangents. As McQueen used to say, don’t call her ‘a’ whore, call her ‘your’ whore. Your eyes are your strength here: if she’s sucking your dick, tell her to look at you, so she has nowhere to hide. Call her your ‘good girl’ as she does it.

Basically, structure a performance of faux-degradation and sexual submissiveness she can enact it that makes her feel she’s served a strong man, that stops her crossing into actual degradation, where it starts emotionally-messing her up and leaving scars.

That being said, Millennial Girls seem to possess a capacity for self-loathing and self-destruction I’ve never seen in previous generations.

So, take what is happening in this thread: the transfer of money for sexual degradation. It’s the same core process: she’s telling herself it’s about the money, but it’s about submission before the masculine: the trappings of supreme social and financial power. It’s about thinking she’s high value enough to be submitting to Princes and Kings, so the leap to being crapped on or blowing a dog to prove she is ‘a worthy consort’ is a small one for them.

Obviously, it makes no sense to us, but women seem to be clueless as to what behaviour actually makes them attractive, and not repulsive, to men.”


I think one of the reasons AnonymousBosch finds Millennial girls to be more debased is that these girls are the first generation to be counted among the sum result of a preceding 4 generations of feminist ideologies. Likewise, Millennial men are the products of that same 4-5 generations of emasculation, feminization and the deliberate obfuscation of what masculinity “really is” for them. This deserves some explanation.

I’ve gone into the timelines and the evolution of how Hypergamy has been released from social restraints, wholesale, on western society in my Adaptations series of posts, but it’s a good review to understand what AnonymousBosch is relating here; We keep returning to Hypergamy and its regulation as a basis for an expanded vision of social structure, but it’s important to remember the behavioral prompts that women’s biology predisposes them to in that respect. Since the time of the Sexual Revolution we’ve had a systematic conditioning for, and institutionalization of, a social order that prioritizes women’s Hypergamy as the predominant one.

Unilaterally female-controlled hormonal birth control was certainly a catalyst for this social shift, but it’s important to remember that for the past 4 generations women have been raised and acculturated in a social environment not only rooted in the fempowerment narrative, but also one that encourages the excesses of the ‘bad girl’ side of Hypergamy that AnonymousBosch describes here. And as I mention in that post, the social engineering that’s led to feminine-primacy (as well as erasing the inconvenient aspects of conventional masculinity) all centers on optimizing women’s Hypergamy.

So we experience 2-3 generations of women who are conflicted between what that Fempowerment narrative has taught them they should value and the conventional, evolved biological impulses that predispose them to appreciating, enjoying and submitting to sexy male dominance. Instead of being confused and agonizing over the traditional (old order) ‘Good Girl’ social restrictions that buffered the more damaging consequences of Hypergamy, now women agonize over the conflict between what Fempowerment has conditioned them to believe they should be attracted to in an “equal partner” (Beta Bucks) and their visceral sexual drive for ‘bad’ Alpha dominance in a man they want to lose themselves with.

They’ll still lay claim to the ‘Good Girl’ social convention when it suits their purpose (i.e. during the Epiphany Phase) to affirm their decisions to prioritize a need for long term security – or to excuse past Alpha Fucks sexual needs – but the primary conflict is still the same, an internal war between the contradicting aspects of her sexual strategies and how they influence her life’s decisions and different phases of her maturity.

In her SMV Peak years, “Fuck you society, I won’t be the good girl you want me to be!” is the message she adopts insofar as it serves her sexual strategy’s immediate interests. The conflict comes when she needs to temper this sentiment with a need to settle into a motherhood role and compromise it just enough to present the appearance of being a prudent choice for long term commitment.

I see my role, as a man, is to recognize their capacity for depravity, both sexual and emotional, and to offer the dominance and guidance to reign them in. Women, even as they get outraged at the very notion, simply want a man they respect to tell them ‘No’, and offer them structure and guidance. One good way I’ve heard this described on here was “She is the ocean, and you are the rock, and the furies of her storms have no impact on you. You are unyielding.”

When men first come to Red Pill awareness about the motivations of women’s sexual strategy it’s very easy to see their behaviors as being intentional or their after-the-fact rationalizations for them as being convenient and expedient in excusing them. There is a definite design to the psychological and social schema women will use to explain their actions, particularly when they’re anti-social, sexist and/or damaging to the men who bear the worst of them.

Not to say men should tolerate this, but it’s important for men to understand the underlying psychology and motivators for women’s behaviors. It would seem AnonymousBosch has embraced this understanding. Again, it’s easy to think you’ll just put your foot down and not tolerate women’s bad behaviors, but this ignores those same female-motivators, sacrifices a real understanding of them and attempts to replace learning to maneuver them with the misguided hope that women will be rational agents and change their behaviors because we say so.

Men of this mindset believe the same ‘equalist’ hope that women will cease to be the “most mature teenager in the house” because they rationally explained to them that they should ignore their base motivators (Hypergamy) and act reasonably. This doesn’t work for women, nor does it work for men when women attempt to convince men to adopt a feminist mindset based on exactly the same appeal to reason. The boner doesn’t lie, and neither does women’s sexually strategic behavior.

In an age of unfettered, socially and legally affirmed Hypergamy it’s counterproductive to expect any woman to self-police her own sexual strategies by appealing to her reason.

The good news, as outlined by AnonymousBosch, is that Red Pill awareness and internalized Game are the same buffering contingencies for Hypergamy as they’ve always been. The trick for men now is to reestablish and embrace a connection to the conventional masculinity that’s been systematically conditioned out of men for 2-3 generations. In fact, there’s no better evidence of this Blue Pill conditioning than the common sense of counterintuitive-ness of embracing a masculinity that puts a man into a position of exercising the dominance women need.

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redlight
redlight
5 years ago

so the key to vaginas is to be “the best looking man she had ever seen”, and no need for him to be jacked. cool, off to get plastic surgery, you guys keep lifting until I’m back

viavitae
viavitae
5 years ago

If humans are just a blank slate, and looks are a social construct for women, then why wouldn’t they also be for men? That would pretty much trash the RP Praexology, since it would attack the theory of the SMV of women, which would in turn trash the AF/BB theory. If there’s firmware for men liking hot young women, isn’t it likely there is firmware in women too, why can’t it include physical aspects? Actually, I personally believe that other guys can tell good looking men just as easily and want to follow/listen/associate with them. If the “firmware” could be… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

I have observed that married women will pursue you most aggressively if they perceive you as ” hot “. Years ago I worked at a large pharmaceutical company, in the data/IT department. I had a lot of phone contact with the end users. I had a ( gorgeous ) female coworker who became very good friends with me. So I’d be talking with mostly women by phone, and one day my coworker laughed and said that I was purposely ” talking in a more sexy voice ” when speaking to females vs male callers. I honestly didn’t see it, but… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@Blaximus at 1:05pm

f*k! man, aren’t those nose booger things bad enough!? don’t give those hipsters any new ideas to culturally appropriate…lol

good luck!

Ajax Parallax
Ajax Parallax
5 years ago

@redlight Maybe you’re being facetious and smarmy, can’t tell. Hm. Point to me where I said looks=THE key to vagina? And, BTW, I’m not bashing MM or YaReally’s methods, believe it or not. Most of it is solid theory to attraction triggering. Don’t get the extreme putting-words-in-my-mouth interpretations or sensitivities around the very simple premise of whether or not looks matter on an unconscious level to female biology. That’s it. That’s all. Plenty of stories of LSE male Da Vinci specimen virgins frustrated by lonely nights with the Vaseline to fill a library. Plenty of stories of HSE frogs that… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Quixotic – good stuff…

“can’t think of anymore off the top of my head so thats my cue to head out for the night. ‘

Here’s one. Come over to you, while you are sipping a drink in a corner alone, and rub your cock with full eye contact…

[and for posterity’s sake I DNB… because I had no game at the time…]

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Ahhh Quix another one, from the past… Get literally kidnapped by five girls, taken out to a club, the only guy in the group, pay zero dollars… end up taking a limo back with them all sprawled on you… [note – also DNB because I thought the lead girl showing interest was into my former roommate, so off limits… LOL] From tonight – not me… but another guy. Ajax take note…. 7 young bartender calls ambulance for a homeless dude out front. Fire Department shows up. She is out with them telling what happened. She comes back in [no pun… Read more »

Morpheus
5 years ago
Reply to  Rollo Tomassi

And no, it has nothing to do with Looks

Haha, this is the debate that will never end.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Blax – “women were going to start showing up to see The Man Behind The Voice.”

One of my colleagues has an insane speaking voice… secretaries in other offices have told him[on the phone] that they cum [no pun!] just listening to him speak…

Fascinating.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Blax “quixotic brought back some memories. Especially the ” damn ” comment.”

a last bit for tonight… Walking on the street in NYC in T shirt and jeans, with my dad. Good looking woman in car approaching light, sees me, hits curb with car as we walk by. Dad looks at me and shakes his head, “come on” he says… and we walk on.

LOL. IOI’s are generally way more aggressive when there is a barrier. And that can be very confusing to you…

viavitae
viavitae
5 years ago

Since I already broke my lurkage, I will bring up an earlier post that caught my attention. @Scray “the mere fact that human beings exhibit such high variability wrt physical traits should, in and of itself, demonstrate that any particular set of physical characteristics isn’t that important. height varies a ton, facial features vary a ton, etc. etc. selection pressure decreases this kind of variance…” I noticed that you made no distinction between men and women, but male variability of traits is greater than that of women. This makes sense. If you have 2 sexes, you’d want to decouple the… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Blax – “But the chicks were young too, and the youth are bolder I guess.” Yes…! I said this up thread… Young, lower SES, minority girls and the sub 7’s all shown to be way more aggressive in their IOI’s IME… I once worked as a lifeguard at a camp [yeah yeah perhaps some status] in college and i would ride my bike past the buses on my way out… and the high school girls would be hanging out the windows screaming all kinds of shit at me… and one day they had paper signs “you’re so hot”… LOL Got… Read more »

HowlingManTodd
HowlingManTodd
5 years ago
keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago
redlight
redlight
5 years ago

There are many studies that show deeper voices in men conveys higher testosterone potential and thus an evolved arousal cue for women

wait, are you telling me that my upcoming plastic surgery will be useless since I should like the Chipmunks? That Blax’s success* was all due to his voice?

* potential success since he was turning down blow jobs and bangs

redlight
redlight
5 years ago

“sound like the Chipmunks”

Bromeo
Bromeo
5 years ago

“There are many studies that show deeper voices in men conveys higher testosterone potential and thus an evolved arousal cue for women: https://books.google.com/books?id=bwcWDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA157&lpg=PA157&dq=vocal+tone+conveys+masculinity&source=bl&ots=FVQ4MmlOCZ&sig=bbsATYhMrnrEe08QyEnFtE4_Flc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwisqInk0tjMAhXDJR4KHc8MAzYQ6AEIMjAD#v=onepage&q=vocal%20tone%20conveys%20masculinity&f=false Remarkably, women were able to assess accurately the ages and body weights of these men on the basis of their voices alone. Read this page. Is that social conditioning or an evolved characteristic among women to determine a man’s breeding suitability based on his androgenic potential?” This. There are numerous studies done proving different physical male characteristics being suitable for female reproduction, whether it be facial symmetry, jawline, muscularity, etc. Why have we been using the identify… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago
keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

@redlight.
So you’re not a hawt guy and you have high pitched voice too?

Junior
Junior
5 years ago

@Rollo Given the pages of back & forths here on looks / evolutionary biology vs. subcomms / internals / frame, I’m not sure why there is continued emphasis on evolutionary biology that does not serve to help anyone who is not gifted with unattainable physical attributes ie. deep voice, height, looks etc. The fundamental tenet that YaReally has pointed out is that “you can trigger the exact same shit via diamond core attractive traits through understanding game and hitting the field to gather reference experiences handling social pressure and tests and building your frame so that your self-worth is based… Read more »

Ajax Parallax
Ajax Parallax
5 years ago

@redlight wrote

wait, are you telling me that my upcoming plastic surgery will be useless since I should like the Chipmunks? That Blax’s success* was all due to his voice?”

I guess you’re being impish.

So I’ll go with your animal metaphor. What we’re saying is the dumpy tortoise is going to have to put in a shitload of slow and steady leg work before it can catch up to and pass the hare if/when it ends up burning itself out on its own attractive genetics.

Junior
Junior
5 years ago

My voice is WAYYY deeper than Todd’s, & he’s a few inches shorter than me, but I prob won’t even lay one 100th of the amount of high quality women Todd will in his lifetime. The guy sounds like he’s got a permanent frog in his throat, like how I sound when I’m super nervous & tense, but it just becomes irrelevant next to his frame & subcomms

nastynate
nastynate
5 years ago

Rollo said:
“Heheh, at 48 I can honestly say my physique is in the top 10% of all the men I see at the gym I go to. And that’s all the men, of all ages.”

Are you able to pull that off natty, or are you on TRT? I see a lot of guys in their late 40’s and 50’s who look incredible, don’t use steroids, but are on doctor prescribed TRT.

Ajax Parallax
Ajax Parallax
5 years ago

@Harrison Bergeron wrote “What they ARE saying, is that before the internet, there was no place for men to collaborate and share notes AT SUCH A SCALE as men are now. Sure there were mens only clubs, where, we like to think, discussions like these at RM went down. But the SCALE and REACH seen now simply was not possible.” Unfortunately, I cannot permit myself to make that assumption or direct correlation unless I had a time machine to take me to the Middle Ages. If I did, I think I would find a much more concentrated society of male… Read more »

Softek
Softek
5 years ago

@ Junior Sandi = spam bot. @ Ajax I’ve been on this blog for a couple years now. I’ve been pretty involved in the community here, gotten a ton of advice and support, and continue to, and it’s still taken me this much time just to start peeling the BP layers away. Having male role models and support when you’re growing up, with real, in-person men, is just as important as getting sexual experiences with real, in-person women. This is a hell of a lot better than nothing, but still no substitute for a lifetime of healthy masculine, in-person influence,… Read more »

Morpheus
5 years ago
Reply to  Softek

Softek,

For the sake of your mental health, and possibly even physical safety you need to end the relationship and go no contact. I was involved with a BPD woman, and I am lucky I escaped safe and sound with no permanent attachments like kids.

Softek
Softek
5 years ago

@ Sandi Right, and calling men slaves to women isn’t disgusting. Lol. Dogs are usually spoiled. The analogy actually works really well. People thinking letting dogs run around and do whatever they want is ‘good’ for them because if they include any discipline or structure it’s ‘breaking their spirit.’ Just how guys that thing anything but an Equalist approach in relationships is being a misogynist or “disgusting.” Even though women, in reality, don’t want equalism in a relationship. What, exactly, is your argument for why women are and should be dominant in relationships? And are happier that way? Can you… Read more »

Softek
Softek
5 years ago

Also, I always find it funny when comments get lost. That shit can happen a lot. They always think it’s the moderator(s) censoring comments or blocking content. We’ve had scores of women come and go on this blog and not a single one of them ever provided any rational, cogent arguments (see: not ad-hominem) against the points made here. I’ve seen Rollo and other men here address this again and again and again. It basically boils down to: Aha! You men have no argument! You just want to ban me because that’s your last resort! When in reality, in the… Read more »

John Doe
John Doe
5 years ago

Are Prostitutes Better Than Normal Women? A Short Essay by John Doe Is it cheaper to have sex with normal women than with prostitutes? No, and here is why. When you have sex with a normal girl, it’s by no means “free”. You have to take her out to dinner, buy her drinks, and you might have to go on two or even three dates before you will have sex with her. If you add up the total costs of these three dates, it would be approxiately around 400 dollars. Now let’s look at the cost of the average high… Read more »

redlight
redlight
5 years ago

Now if you talk to any married man, who is HONEST, he will admit that sex with the wife after the first 6 months or year starts to get boring. And this is why people in long term relationships barely have sex, because it’s BORING having sex with the same person time after time. Variety is the spice of life! You could have sex with 1000 different women for the same price it would cost to marry one woman and have sex with her. So Rollo are you going to be HONEST? Speaking for myself, a very conservative estimate would… Read more »

insanitybytes22
5 years ago

Tomassi, for goodness sakes, don’t be so fearful! Deleting all the wimenz, sheesh! Girls don’t bite you know, not unless you’re into that kind of thing.

Also, married sex is not boring, it can be downright fabulous, far more frequent than single people can ever experience, and anything but boring.

insanitybytes22
5 years ago

From Tomassi’s services rendered post, “The sad fact remains though; you will always pay for sex in some form.”

No. What you are saying is that women can never love men, that men are so unloveable, they must pay up to equal out the equation. That goes along with the idea that women must debase ourselves in order to love you. That’s untrue Tomassi, it’s a deception.

redlight
redlight
5 years ago

Aww, and here I thought you’d read ALL of my articles

I thought I had but honestly I must have missed the one(s) about your boring sex life

provdawgfire
5 years ago

Hey there I live in South Africa and i’ve been following the blog for two months now. I went through a break phase last year and it forced me on a search for this until i found the red pill. I’ve got to be honest, when i learn this stuff it feels like every day i attain more power. A form of power that had previously been denied to me. I’m 19 and newly red pill aware. I know the road ahead is going to be tough but it’ll be worth it. Personally i’d like to thank you Rollo for… Read more »

Softek
Softek
5 years ago

@ IB Ever heard of F.W. Robertson? I recommend the Sermonds of F.W. Robertson. There’s a lot of his sermons online and there’s a book you can get on Amazon. http://www.fwrobertson.com/sermons/ser15.htm Ever heard of Richard Wurmbrand? I recommend With God in Solitary Confinement, where he gets very deep into questioning of his faith bordering on apostasy, while he was kept in a solitary cell 30 feet underground for several years and tortured on a daily basis. As far as Christian authors go, I highly recommend that you check them out. Some people considered them apostates, but their faith was tested… Read more »

Softek
Softek
5 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhscUPTaE0M How does it feel to be completely unreal How does it feel to be a vulture How does it feel to be a voluntary heel I wonder whose it is I see you queuing up outside Saint Peter’s gate You can feel bonafide if you ride with the tide But it’s not real How does it feel to be out on your own How does it feel to be thinking How does it feel to be out on the run With the mindless world at your heels I wish I had no answers to put to you Cos they… Read more »

provdawgfire
5 years ago

I think i’ve come to a painful but necessary realization about hypergamy and the Feminine Imperative. They seek to destroy you, or any sense of masculinity you may have. The process is back handed and brutal, but at the same time ‘brilliant’ in efficiently achieving its objectives. To me, the red pill feels like a declaration of “weapons free”. Whatever happens, happens. Whatever casualties are suffered (feminized men; women getting pumped and dumped) will happen. The call is now to fight to win, by any means necessary. No rules, No apologies, just the fire.

Ajax Parallax
Ajax Parallax
5 years ago

@Softek wrote:

“ONE-itis” meaning I’m in love with her, but have never told her that or even hinted at it because I know it’s counterproductive.”

Was Kurt Cobain in love with heroin or composing original music?
Which one did he choose to sacrifice himself for the other?

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ nastynate ” Are you able to pull that off natty, or are you on TRT? I see a lot of guys in their late 40’s and 50’s who look incredible, don’t use steroids, but are on doctor prescribed TRT.” Yo, don’t believe the commercial hype. Males test numbers are dropping, but much of that can be related to 1) stress 2) poor diet – and the huge one..3) Lack Of heavy Resistance Exercise. Young guys bodies can resist the effects of the above, but time will prove more deadly regarding test levels. Research claims that men’s levels start the… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ provdawgfire

Welcome. Keep reading here and jump in the comments.

Good luck with your blog!!

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ redlight

Why do you think Rollo has a boring sex life? He’s never said anything of the kind, and has pretty much made it fairly clear that the opposite is the case.

Or are you just trolling him? Lol.

I believe it’s a myth that bedrooms HAVE TO die in marriage. It happens, but it’s not inevitable.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Rollo

Thanks for the linkage ;

https://books.google.com/books?id=bwcWDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA157&lpg=PA157&dq=vocal+tone+conveys+masculinity&source=bl&ots=FVQ4MmlOCZ&sig=bbsATYhMrnrEe08QyEnFtE4_Flc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwisqInk0tjMAhXDJR4KHc8MAzYQ6AEIMjAD#v=onepage&q=vocal%20tone%20conveys%20masculinity&f=false

I am consistently amazed at the volume of studies concerning so many aspects of ” masculinity ” and it’s effects on women.

Lol, guys with deeper voices even ejaculate more often. Who’d a thunk it?

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Blaximus “4 years ago my endo saw my test ( 1,700 ) readings and immediately thought something was ” wrong ” with me based on levels. She actually said that my levels ” should be going DOWN based on my age “. She kinda freaked me out. She ordered an MRI for my pituitary, and everything came back fine. She warned and advised me against anabolic steroids, lol. I wasn’t taking anything at all.” LOL, Blaximus, you scared her with your masculinity….I bet you she even had a worried look in her eyes. Just because your T levels “should-be-going down”,… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@ Rollo

WordPress moderation just ate one of my comments directed to Softek and Ajax.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

John Doe said – ” So let’s take that number, one million dollars, and divide it by 250. That’s 4000 DIFFERENT women you could pay to have sex with, instead of marrying one woman who will just end up turning into a bitch and divorcing you anyway. So it’s your choice guys. Would you rather marry one woman, who will get bored of sex after 6 months, and end up stealing all your assets and savings in divorce, or would you rather have sex with 4000 different beautiful women for the same price?” I slapped my knee and chuckled deeply… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

“High masculinity levels in a fem-centric world are scary.”

High masculinity generate “tingles” mixed with the urge to submit and be dominated / taken .

Or,

“But in the heterosexual porn films, the man is the conduit to the fantasy. The viewers substitute themselves for us. Being average-looking sometimes helps. When you see a gorgeous girl with Ron Jeremy, it’s like, “Wait! There’s hope for all of us!”

Ron Jeremy.

http://nypost.com/2015/05/02/how-ron-jeremy-finally-found-god/

redlight
redlight
5 years ago

@blaximus Why do you think Rollo has a boring sex life? He’s never said anything of the kind, and has pretty much made it fairly clear that the opposite is the case. Or are you just trolling him? Lol. I believe it’s a myth that bedrooms HAVE TO die in marriage. It happens, but it’s not inevitable. I did note that I have fucked my wife at least 5,000 times ($1,250,000), so it would be a million dollar myth. I pointed out that Rollo has never written that his married sex life is boring, which then resulted in my postings… Read more »

Softek
Softek
5 years ago

@ Ajax Point taken. I’m just in flux right now because my emotions are fluctuating like crazy. Coming to terms with a lot of shit. My brain has just gotten flogged from constantly being asked “are you in love with me” and “why don’t you want to commit to me” and being bombarded with questions like “what does commitment mean to you” and “what do you think love is” and it’s like…. …my brain is just feeling numb/dead. I’m probably spilling this shit out here because I feel so trapped in the relationship and am not venting anything there, and… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ SJF ” High masculinity levels in a fem-centric world are scary. I bet you she even thought you were going to sucker punch her any minute, then. LOL” This right here is 100% correct. I wound up with her as my endo after my doc opened another practice/office in another town. He assured me she was good. She’s a tiny little woman or apparent Indian descent. It’s my job to learn her a few things..lol. She had asked me once if I had any abnormal bodily hair growth, so hell, I stripped down. She then asked me if my… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

John Doe, the 20th century called to tell you to buy a new calendar.
Outside of religious subgroups your model is out of date.

Nothing personal.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ redlight ” I did note that I have fucked my wife at least 5,000 times ($1,250,000), so it would be a million dollar myth. I pointed out that Rollo has never written that his married sex life is boring, which then resulted in my postings getting squad mod, or if you are not reading this then I’ve been banned.” I’d bet Rollo’s not gonna ban you. He doesn’t strike me as ” sensitive “. Lol. I have an idea about Rollo’s sex life from what he’s hinted at. One can’t expect for him to expose too much about his… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

I mean ” besides “.

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

Damn!!! It’s raining and thundering and lightning flashing like a motherfvcker here. But I got a few more minutes while coffee brews so.. @ irritableBowel22 ” What you are saying is that women can never love men, that men are so unloveable, they must pay up to equal out the equation. That goes along with the idea that women must debase ourselves in order to love you. That’s untrue Tomassi, it’s a deception.” Rollo has NEVER said any such thing. Are you bored in your marriage? Dead bedroom perhaps? Hubby decaying in your attic? Just for shitz and giggles –… Read more »

Fandango
Fandango
5 years ago

Fellas .Long time lurker. @John Doe. I’m in Australia.You can’t own a AK47 or AR15.But you can drink at 18 and Prostitution is legal.The American view on whores is weird to me. I was in the Army and whenever a US Army or USMC unit visited these guys went mad having a good time. Its an American myth that only Betas us whores.The most Alpha blokes I know use whores and they go with their mates.Especially in Sydney. Melbourne is a more femenist left wing town and I find guys there more “under control” Brothels there are expensive as a… Read more »

mersonia
5 years ago

@emilyy96
“I still don’t know why I was banned:/
Also, about the looks debate: I think looks matter.”

Proof that looks don’t matter….because if emily says something does ….it doesnt

redlight
redlight
5 years ago

Rollo said no more TRM for E until she read some posts.

Ok E, skill testing question: what is an alpha male according to Rollo?

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Fandango,

Good to see you posting up!!!

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

” I still don’t know why I was banned:/”

Lmao.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago
Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Blax

” I still don’t know why I was banned:/”
Lmao.

What do you say to a girl with two black eyes?
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Nothing you haven’t told her twice already…

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Fandango Personally, I don’t have any issue with men using the services of a prostitute. Reality is, men have been doing so for millennia and that will never change. As far as the notion that only beta dudes would use such a service, I feel that is an overstatement. Guys use the service for sexual release/satisfaction. The only issue I have ( and it’s not even a big issue…it’s not my dick after all..) is when guys seem to feel so beaten down by women and all of the work and drama behind trying to complete a natural act,… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
5 years ago

@ Sentient

Somebody must be bored on a Saturday night. Lol, start the countdown to banishment.

She drops in, says some shit, and bounces – deftly avoided the axe.

Somebody call the Waaaahhhhmbulance!!! I don’t know why I was banned..Waaaahhhhhh!!!!!

100 warnings.

Bullshit continued.

Banned.

Simple.

Eye batting and pouty lips not evident in comment section, soooooo…. see ya!!!

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

Rollo and Emily
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NpAfSOV0rdA

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Blaximus The women in a man’s space refuse to let on to the fact that red pill awareness reveals the Empresses have no clothes when men are red pill aware. The Red Pill awareness of men, consorting in the manosphere scares the shit out of them. How dare we just get them? Irritable bowels 22 still has a parasite up her ass about slight dread games. With good reason. She wants control and demands control over men. She controls her husband (it’s for the children sake, of course) and then wines whines about Tomassi merely for the sake of winning… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
5 years ago

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2lmtp4

Where were we, and where are we now!

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Blaximus The women in a man’s space refuse to let on to the fact that red pill awareness reveals the Empresses have no clothes when men are red pill aware. The Red Pill awareness of men, consorting in the manosphere scares the shit out of them. How dare we just get them? Irritable bowels 22 still has a parasite up her ass about slight dread games. With good reason. She wants control and demands control over men. She controls her husband (it’s for the children sake, of course) and then wines whines about Tomassi merely for the sake of winning… Read more »

Morpheus
5 years ago

Softek,

This chick is a bit wacky (I think she is probably histrionic) but makes some excellent points about BPD

https://youtu.be/3hOs5JTFlM0

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

Walawala – good mini-FR. It’s like getting over an ex-girlfriend – the point you’re over her is the point you don’t care anymore and she can’t generate any emotions in you (incidentally I notice you haven’t mentioned your crazy ex girlfriend for quite some time now – significant progress..) @Quixotic – great cheat sheet. Not much to add, but it’s a great thing to keep in mind. I used to have something similar for Day 2s, until I did enough to internalize most of it – but I certainly need something like it still for going out..in fact when I… Read more »

ETA
ETA
5 years ago

Random comment: I was chillin’ at home killing some time on Whisper (an app where people anonymously post random stuff) and I found the typical guy post: ” I’m 19 and I’ve always been the nice guy, I’m very honest and have never disrespected anyone. I don’t want tshort term GF’s…. but every girl I’ve been with had left me. What should I do? ” I thought to try to help him, thinking he’d dismiss my advice and keep complaining about his situation, like lots of people do. I suggested him Rollo’s book and a week later he got back… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@ETA: “It’s rare, but it feels great when you know you’ve changed someone’s life for good.”

Thank you. Triage can be a disheartening business, especially when we hear of the ones lost, such as Rugby’s teammate. Hearing of the ones saved can bring us heart and keep us in the fight.

scray
scray
5 years ago

@viv “I noticed that you made no distinction between men and women, but male variability of traits is greater than that of women. This makes sense. If you have 2 sexes, you’d want to decouple the variability from the sex that bears the offspring. You can have more chance for bad and good stuff in the disposable sex. Also interesting is that I would consider selection pressure to be higher on men since a larger percentage of women breed than men, but the charts show greater variability on men. You may already know all this, but the way you wrote… Read more »

Softek
Softek
5 years ago

@ Morpheus Thanks for the vid. So hard for me to get this. “Love bombing”….sounds familiar. I don’t think of myself as a narcissist (not saying you think I am). I think I’m more Dependent Personality than anything else and have also been diagnosed with this in the past at a mental hospital. I can absolutely identify with the craving for BPD style “love bombing.” The Dependent personality and BPD are probably also a fatal attraction. Same with Avoidant personality, which I was also diagnosed with, lol. Basically hyper sensitivity to criticism, very weak to no sense of self/identity, and… Read more »

Ajax Parallax
Ajax Parallax
5 years ago

I’ll just leave this here.

Oldie but relevant goodie about this real piece of shit:

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

Softek
The Dependent personality and BPD are probably also a fatal attraction. Same with Avoidant personality, which I was also diagnosed with, lol.

Regard the BPD personality as a parasite. Parasites tend to seek out hosts that are least like to be able to protect themselves.

Game is the antidote. You are learning to protect yourself.

YaReally
5 years ago

It’s about to get gay as fuck in here but you guys asked for it lol: Muscles = Always an attraction additive, women are inherently pre-wired to get hard nipples and soaking wet the second they stand near anyone with jacked muscles because muscles themselves cause attraction. With that in mind, I have found the ultimate attractive alpha male who makes every woman’s nipples rock hard and soaks their panties the second they stand near them without them having to say a word: http://67.media.tumblr.com/db706f148f38bf9e633024e60cc7239f/tumblr_nk2lvo1ka41txdc5jo1_1280.jpg Keyser’s mom here has got one of them masculine beards! If your logic is that muscles… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@all ok, you men are my tribe, but i’m putting this here, so i don’t drag this new tribes thread too far down the rabbit hole…lol… so, for all those guys who are ‘looks matter’…f*k y’all! for messing up my game…lol…you stifled me… this weekend on a solid hb8…lol… here’s the FR… i was in a fast food place sat night… just me and her at the counter… she looked like she was just popping out for a treat, in the middle of a netflix marathon…lol…early 20’s, brunette/blue… she had her glasses on, hair in a greasy ponytail, no makeup… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

@Rollo “All you’re doing is relying on straw men and binary arguments for muscularity” You said that muscles on men cause girls to instantly get hard nipples and we can assume also get soaking wet. You observed this magic in person with your male strippers while ignoring all of their subcomms and attributed it all to their muscles. Ergo for your theory to hold up, there should be no examples of muscular men that don’t turn women on. If you can admit that there are muscular men that don’t turn women on, then 1) your theory is wrong/incomplete and 2)… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

You know guys, I’ve read this entire looks debate beginning to end (and the previous cycle of it a few months ago) and I’ve learned a lot from it, but I have only just noticed that the guys who say “looks don’t matter at all” vs the guys who say “looks matter a little bit” (I’m paraphrasing very complex arguments I know) neatly fall into the Natural/former Natural and “learned Game” sides. Like Rollo and Sentient are/were both Naturals (or to put it more precisely had success with women before they were consciously aware of Game) whereas YaReally, Scray, HABD… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@Culum You know guys, I’ve read this entire looks debate beginning to end (and the previous cycle of it a few months ago) and I’ve learned a lot from it, but I have only just noticed that the guys who say “looks don’t matter at all” vs the guys who say “looks matter a little bit” (I’m paraphrasing very complex arguments I know) neatly fall into the Natural/former Natural and “learned Game” sides. Like Rollo and Sentient are/were both Naturals (or to put it more precisely had success with women before they were consciously aware of Game) whereas YaReally, Scray,… Read more »

Morpheus
5 years ago

https://youtu.be/FjnXlgk1Zsk

He is addressing PTs, but I think there is a broader point about how a man spends his time and energy that is relevant to this discussion. There is a balance between chasing women, building career success, and building yourself both mentally and physically.

Tin Man
5 years ago

I don’t know if anyone will read down this far, but there is something happening on LinkedIn – there is a debate/argument brewing – and it is over a woman, Candace Galek, the owner of an online bikini/swimwsuit site called BinkiniLux. What has gotten people all worked up, are her updates – which include bikini-clad-models. It works for her – she had come out of nowhere, to be a mini-celeb – interviewed, talked about, despised, high-fived – her updates get thousands of like, shares and comments – who knows how many views. I find it amazing – she plays the… Read more »

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Kevin
5 years ago

> When men first come to Red Pill awareness about the motivations of women’s sexual strategy it’s very easy to see their behaviors as being intentional or their after-the-fact rationalizations for them as being convenient and expedient in excusing them…important for men to understand the underlying psychology and motivators for women’s behaviors.

Do you have an article or two that covers the underlying psychology and motivators? Because I currently see women’s behavior and rationalizations as intentional, convenient attempts to simply gorge on the cocks of different men, regardless if she’s pre-wall and single, or post-wall with a provider.

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