Services Rendered

Buy a man a whore and you get him laid for an evening. Teach a man Game and you get him laid for a lifetime.

If you aren’t already familiar with the writings of Ferdinand Bardamu, owner / proprietor of In Mala Fide, I’d suggest you take a half an hour or so of your blog reading time to peruse his work. I pay homage to the Man primarily because he’s got an original insight, particular when it comes to observations of intergender dynamics. Today’s offering was the topic Why You Shouldn’t Trust Men Who Can’t Get Laid, and it’s really a brilliant observation that served as a recent springboard for another topic I’ve been asked to cover numerous times – the role of prostitution in intergender relations.

Ferd’s observation was that of what appeared to be a  dweeb relatively socially inept guy getting his hands buffed by a tag team, mother & daughter working a mall kiosk:

My friend pointed at the kiosk outside of FYE, where a dweeby youngish kid was having his hands washed in a sink.

The Israeli mother-daughter duo who ran the kiosk were well-known for the scam they were running — selling massively overpriced soaps and shampoos supposedly containing Dead Sea salt. They used a combination of hard sell techniques, sexual charm and guilt to reel in people and get them to leave with their wallets a little lighter. Watching the busty mom ring up items on the register while her college-aged daughter soaked the dweeb’s hands, visions of incestuous threesomes danced in my head.

It would have been easy to go, “Haha, what a loser, he just got swindled into spending $80 on bath soap.” But looking at the guy, I realized something else. He wasn’t inherently repulsive-looking — messy dark blonde hair, skinny, glasses — but his slumped posture and look of defeat suggested loserdom, of many lonely nights masturbating in the glow of a computer screen. This was probably the first time in eons that a woman touched him or talked to him outside of a professional context. How could he resist? He couldn’t. I felt sorry for him.

The kid at the mall was essentially a ‘John’ for a couple of mother & daughter prostitutes. What was he paying for? Physical contact from a woman. It’s an indictment of the point to which our society has progressed to that women can now sell themselves without actually having to deliver sexual services. So disconnected have men become that even women’s feigned interest and the vaguest passings of kino / touch can be monetized. Women have learned that men will pay to be nice to them.

Strippers know this very well. What mom and daughter were doing here was tapping into providing a need for attention starved men. There are other examples of this, however the operative point is understanding the elemental exchange in the transactions men agree to with women.

The blogger Advocatus Diaboli has written extensively on the subject and his preference for relying on escorts as a means to satisfying is sexual needs. He sums his position up succinctly in the commet thread of Ferd’s article:

That is precisely why using escorts and buying sex is so liberating. The only thing between you and hot ass is whether you can pay or not..

Paying For It

This is a very uncomfortable principle for Game-aware men to confront. I think what a lot of guy’s fail to grasp is AD’s reasoning behind his decision to use escorts. There will undoubtedly be the predictably ingrained responses about him being a core misogynist, he has psychological issues or he was so burned in the past by women that this is his misguided retribution for all of that. I’ve read his blog for over a year now and my opinion is that he’s really being more pragmatic than he is lashing out. The guy impresses me as someone who’s done a lot of critical thinking and came to the conclusion that the solution to his need for sex is just deductive reasoning.

That’s a tough pill to swallow for guy’s invested in the tenets of Game – because it essentially invalidates Game in a practical sense. I’d argue that it doesn’t invalidate Game from a theoretical perspective, but in practice, if you can buy the means to your sexual satisfaction what’s the point of practicing Game?

What I think hits so close to the mark for most guy’s calling him some hapless loser for paying for sex is that they CAN see his logic, but still choose to play by a set of rules they think is morally or socially correct. They still believe in a social contract between men and women that dictates that if they’re not directly paying a hooker for services rendered, they’re not technically paying for sex. It’s scary for them to see the cold facts in light of investing themselves in the hope that women will love and understand them in ways they think they can or should. They’ll recoil from the discomfort of confronting this by calling him maladjusted, but it’s due more to his exposing incongruent ideas with experiences.

Public Relations in the SMP

Needless to say, the feminine imperative will always default to demonizing prostitution. It has a vested interest in maintaining a supreme valuation of gender, both amongst women themselves and for the purposes of shaming men. The sad fact remains though; you will always pay for sex in some form. You can finance it in the long term (marriage), you can beat off to the advertising (porn), you can rent it for an evening (prostitutes) or you can pay for it by more conventional means, but rest assured, you will pay for it. All AD is really doing is distilling this idea down to core elements and looking for the best service for his money.

Once you’ve crossed that line, Game, in practice, becomes irrelevant (for purposes of becoming sexual with women at least). I’ve got to admit, I have far more respect for AD than I ever would for guys subscribing to the “true forced loneliness” idea, and when you think about it, isn’t removing oneself from the game the ultimate goal of the MGTOW denomination of the manosphere? AD has at least, if not more, sexual experience with a larger variety of women than most betas or even some self-evincing PUAs do based on numbers alone.

Furthermore, a guy can flex a sense of confidence around ‘unpaid’ women when he’s safe in the knowledge that he could have (and has had) sex with women who’d otherwise be higher than her own sexual market value. It’s much easier to display the devil may care attitude women find so attractive when you really have nothing to lose. So from a certain perspective, using escorts can be a form of plate spinning. Granted, you are paying for the experiences, but it may be worth the trade off when you consider the time and cost invested in maintaining a solitary ‘unpaid’ plate.

Cost and Benefits

Whenever anyone makes a cost to benefits comparison in regard to sex with women it’s inevitably going to draw up some very uncomfortable truths. On a very base, psychological level, guys want desperately to believe that there exists some woman with the capacity to love and relate to them unconditionally, in spite of an inherent, predictable and provable hypergamy. Prostitution and social interdependence with men has been what has historically kept that hypergamy in check. Post sexual revolution, Game has evolved as a countermeasure to hypergamy, but it’s hard to ignore the utility of a classic like prostitution.

Even for the MRA guys who are well versed in the nuts and bolts of gender dynamics from a social and biological standpoint, it’s too terrible a thought to think that all the results of their efforts really just hinge upon how well he’s able to satisfy her base hypergamic list of prerequisites instead of some more esoteric value they both share together as a couple. It devalues that humanity, in a way similar to confronting nihilism, or having a deeply held ego-invested belief empirically dispelled.

Naturally, women will reinforce the opposite perception. It’s in the feminine’s interest to shame and deride any man pointing out the Achilles heel in their equation. It’s equally important to shame and deride her sisters who’d make a living from practicing the same truth they need to repress. Gold Diggers, Attention Whores, they’re both threats of overtly exposing the mechanics behind the feminine imperative – which is essentially an exchange of provisioning for sexual service –  so they must be marginalized and shamed to keep the social convention operating as discreetly as possible.

Sexuality defines our relations with women. Sex is the deal breaker. Sex is the glue that holds relationships together.

Sex is the deal breaker, without it a woman becomes your mother or sister. How you choose to address that need for sex, what price you’re willing to tolerate is at the heart of what AD is getting at in his posts. Why would anyone pay for a substandard experience at an exorbitantly overblown price? $80 will legally get you a reasonably satisfying blow job in Nevada. $300 might get you laid with an HB7 for an hour.

For Better or Worse

Before anyone gets the wrong idea, what I’m driving at here isn’t an endorsement of opting for prostitution. It’s in the interests of understanding Game in its totality that I’m exploring this. I’ve never directly paid for sex – and I lived in the state of Nevada for 8 years. I have however paid for sex (and probably far more than the direct route) in the traditional sense by over-investing in women’s intimacy for minimal or mediocre returns. I should think that this is a common thread for most men whilst plugged into the social contracts the Matrix normalizes for us. Either we don’t know any better (lack of options) or we’ve been convinced that the experience is priceless (pedestal mentality).

One of the primary reasons I disagree with the MGTOW or TFL movements is this desire to remove oneself from interacting with women. Basically they don’t want to play by the rules of the female imperative, and while there’s merit in rejecting it, I fundamentally don’t believe that abdication is desirable or even achievable. Isolation is dangerous – building fortresses around yourself  only cuts you off from information and experiences that will help you become a better Man. And while I think it’s an unavoidable reality to pay women for sex in some context, I would still advocate for learning Game (theory and practice) to maximize a Man’s potential for getting the best return on his investments. The Game-aware man is a student of the sexual market place, and he knows that it’s essentially a commodities market.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

Leave a Reply

  Subscribe  
Notify of
NoReally
Guest
NoReally

“if you can buy the means to your sexual satisfaction what’s the point of practicing Game?” Some men just want to stand on the mountain-top. Some men want to climb the mountain, even if they can afford the helicopter ride. “a guy can flex a sense of confidence around ‘unpaid’ women when he’s safe in the knowledge that he could have (and has had) sex with women who’d otherwise be higher than her own sexual market value.” lol no. That’s keyboard jockey logic. Does standing on the top of a mountain after your helicopter ride up mean that when you’re… Read more »

trackback

[…] article Share this:TwitterFacebookLike this:LikeBe the first to like this post. This entry was posted in Game by Publius. Bookmark the permalink. […]

Traveller
Guest
Traveller

Having many women is a metaphore of being rich.

Who has many women does not trust who has less, exactly as rich people by instinct do not trust poor people.

Get women with game = get money from stock market.
Get prostitutes = money from wage jobs.

Of course, it is always the poor in favor of taxes. Go figure why.

And no, Advocatus D has no idea what is scientific reasoning or critical thinking or whatever relevant – at least from what he writes in In Mala Fide – before I started skipping him.

xsplat
Guest

Depends how you define “sexual needs”. If your needs can be satisfied by prostitutes, then it’s a rational decision to pay for sex. But some of us include in our concept of sex notions of intimacy, power, and control. A big part of sex is the way the woman looks up at you adoringly. It’s the power we have over her life. It’s the fact that she is thinking about you when she is shopping for groceries. That her first inclination upon waking up is giving you food. Sex can be emotional. Or not. It doesn’t have to be. But… Read more »

Don Julian
Guest
Don Julian

Yeah definitely there’s very little satisfaction in fucking a prostitute compared to a woman who genuinely wants you to fuck her, this isn’t considered in the article here.

Rollo Tomassi
Guest

I understand what you’re getting at here, and I do agree, but how many guys are really in relationships / marriages where their woman is actually appreciating their sacrifices, much less adoringly, devotedly, contemplating her position with her husband / BF? Half the reason the manosphere exists in the first place is because this woman is so exceedingly rare to the point of idealization. This is really AD’s starting point. Why commit to the average woman who feels she entitled to your provisioning in exchange for substandard sexual experience that can easily be outclassed in intensity, frequency and variety for… Read more »

Flahute
Guest
Flahute

Agreed. Sex isn’t the only thing women we have seduced give us. I understand AD’s logic, but he cares not for the process of seduction, he just wants to bust a nut in a hottie. A seducer loves the seduction, not the target, and not merely the end result. I really enjoy it, playing with her, flirting hard, making her feel naughty and do naughty things, hearing the words “I’ve never met anyone like you”, watching her fall for you, seeing your influence on her, knowing you are in her head and her idle moments are filled with thoughts of… Read more »

Good Luck Chuck
Guest
Good Luck Chuck

This is a typical response from a person who: 1) Underestimates just how much time is involved in racking up a notch 2) Undervalues his time How much money do you make at your job? $10 per hour? $20? $50? More? I know how all this works. In order to get a “free” piece of ass you first have to go to places where there are women. Then you have to chat up ten or more women before you get 3-4 numbers. Then you have to call the numbers, set up dates, get flaked on, go out on dates, make… Read more »

xsplat
Guest

I used to be against including money in romantic considerations. That was a naive male point of view. Now I embrace any advantage I can get, and realize that women as a class have various attraction buttons that a naive man would consider unsavory and belonging to the wrong class of girl. Money and the ability to provision is one attraction trigger among many, and I’m happy to use it as an attraction trigger. Hell, I’ll even use it as a bargaining chip. I see money as part of the transactional exchange in LTRs. I want it that way now,… Read more »

Good Luck Chuck
Guest
Good Luck Chuck

The male ego and the thrill of the mating dance will always preclude prostitution from being a direct replacement for the real deal, but at the end of the day most men would benefit from having the ability to see things for what they really are.

Jim
Guest
Jim

Three instances before I had that happen (I wanted to see what they were selling there and how she attempted to close), so these hotties asked questions to engage, with eye contact she stroked a finger like it was a dick, it would have been simple to buy the lotion thinking that it was getting sex from her only to get home with only lotion, so I did not buy anything, I said I gotta go somewhere and I walked away. Making prostitution illegal in the U.S. (except in limited areas of Nevada) has to be part of the feminized-government… Read more »

xsplat
Guest

That’s putting it a bit strongly. Are all emotional transactions reducible to transactions of provisioning and sex? I find a lot of emotions to be valuable, and find that I can’t elicit them with provisioning or cash only.

That warm feeling in my chest that I get from a mate showing love is valuable to me. I’ve never expected to be able to purchase that directly. It’s not reducible.

However pure sex can be purchased. That is one component of a wider sexual experience that can not be purchased (with pure cash).

Don Julian
Guest
Don Julian

I understand what you’re getting at here, and I do agree, but how many guys are really in relationships / marriages where their woman is actually appreciating their sacrifices, much less adoringly, devotedly, contemplating her position with her husband / BF? Half the reason the manosphere exists in the first place is because this woman is so exceedingly rare to the point of idealization. I think the real question here is how many women are getting fucked by men they enjoy fucking, and that’s relatively frequent I would guess. I’m, ironically, playing devil’s advocate here, but how is prostitution not… Read more »

YaReally
Guest
YaReally

This is a typical response from someone who: 1) tried game but didn’t get very good at it 2) won’t get very good at game “you first have to go to places where there are women.” True. Of course, I’m already going to those places because I’m hanging out with my friends or running errands or what-have-you. So really, I’m not going out of my way because I’d be there anyway. Or if I’m going on a special chick-hunt, I’m doing it in my free time while other guys are playing videogames or bitching on message boards. “Then you have… Read more »

YaReally
Guest
YaReally

lol you and your “attraction triggers”. What book did you get that term from anyway? While this guy is bribing girls with money they’re txting me to fuck later. One of my FB’s friends has a sugar daddy who flew them both to his city, put them up in a 5-star hotel, twelve them each $800 in shopping money for a spree. She bought lingerie to wear for me and I 3-somed them a few weeks later while they both made fun of the guy. She literally just txts him every few months when she wants some free shit. That… Read more »

YaReally
Guest
YaReally

P.S. keep in mind I’m talking about cold-approach pickup here. I’m not even talking about easy-ass social circle game where you spend even LESS time/energy/money to get laid cause other people do half your work for you lol or hitting a bar where you’re a regular and have social proof with bartenders and waitresses and shooter girls and other people there etc.

YaReally
Guest
YaReally

“but how many guys are really in relationships / marriages where their woman is actually appreciating their sacrifices, much less adoringly, devotedly, contemplating her position with her husband / BF” “This is really AD’s starting point. Why commit to the average woman who feels she entitled to your provisioning” Wait what? Does this blog promote getting into monogamous marriages and committing to one woman? I’m new here, sorry, so I haven’t read a ton of the articles yet but if that’s the case then sure, fucking a hooker is better than getting married lol But even if you’re in a… Read more »

Advocatus Diaboli
Guest

Thanks RT,

I have written something like this before..

http://dissention.wordpress.com/2010/07/15/most-guys-still-dont-understand-escort-use-1/

and women don’t really care if you use escorts, as long as you are unapologetic about it.

http://dissention.wordpress.com/2010/06/03/female-reaction-to-confessions-of-escort-use-1/

xsplat
Guest

Yes, I’m aware that you don’t believe that women find money in and of itself to be an attraction trigger. I find that a very strange belief system. I also find it illogical that your counter argument is pointing out other attraction triggers that we both agree do exist. Certainly other attraction triggers can work better than money, and certainly money alone is not always sufficient. None of that means that money in and of itself is not attractive to women. But I know that you have a very strong ego investment in not being able to even consider the… Read more »

Good Luck Chuck
Guest
Good Luck Chuck

You’re not talking to a 26 year old virgin who lives in his mom’s basement dude. Those numbers are based on my own real world experience and is actually pretty damn tight considering that guys who write about this stuff for a living (who are honest about it) only claim to get one lay in every 20-40 approaches. I’m sure that your game is so tight that all you have to do is LOOK a chick and her panties drop, and then she proceeds to pay for all your shit for the next five years and cook you food and… Read more »

Good Luck Chuck
Guest
Good Luck Chuck

Most of these “Game is God” guys have ever had any amount of money or status. If they had they would understand that everything they mimic in order to get into a girls pants is based on what wealthy, high status men do naturally. Of course they will cite their examples of how they were banging the rich beta’s girlfriend while they both laughed about it, but they aren’t so quick to acknowledge the fact that half of the reason why they have to constantly recruit new pussy is because the women they sex eventually move on to the bigger,… Read more »

Good Luck Chuck
Guest
Good Luck Chuck

That’s what I was getting at. You can purchase sex, but you can’t purchase the emotional high that comes from an indirect exchange. The validation they get from a non-monetary type of exchange is part of what keeps guys from being able to grasp the idea that there is no such thing as free sex.

xsplat
Guest

I think you just quoted one of Rollo’s laws of power. If something is unattainable, show disdain for it.

Did I get that right?

I’ve never quite understood that law.

Jim
Guest
Jim

Great comments YaReally. It’s refreshing to finally see comments from someone on any Game blog who really knows how to and does in real life run Game. In my view your comments are a better summary of running Game than any of the other “in the field” currently active Game blogs out there. I’m not talking about RationalMale, because this is a quality “over all theory and issues type Game blog,” so I’m refering to a bunch of other blogs. Many game blogs now have turned from meeting women into attacking women (just so any newbies out there who are… Read more »

xsplat
Guest

I’m not quite following you. I hear that line a lot, that there is no such thing as free sex, but I don’t think that’s true. Sometimes sex is basically free – especially short term sex or casual fuck buddy sex. Longer term relationships tend to have it as a prerequisite that the man can fulfill a provider role. That’s been traditional, and it’s hard wired into women’s psyches to look for that even when they don’t need it. So the overall trend is for men to pay. But to say we always pay is overstating the case more than… Read more »

YaReally
Guest
YaReally

“Fact is unless you have rock star status sex just doesn’t come as easy as you would like to believe it does “if your game is tight”.”

The fact that you type stuff like this, is how I know you aren’t going out and getting laid regularly.

The fact that you believe it, is how I know that you won’t ever get to be as good as you could be.

YaReally
Guest
YaReally

“they aren’t so quick to acknowledge the fact that half of the reason why they have to constantly recruit new pussy is because the women they sex eventually move on to the bigger, better deal.” Again, comments like this are how I know you suck at game. You haven’t gotten to the point where the women chase you, you got to the point where you were able to barely keep their interest (that’s why you got flaked on so much and had to go on dates instead of just having them over to fuck). And then you gave up, and… Read more »

Paul
Guest
Paul

I don’t know why you guys are arguing. For guys whose game sucks and always will, prostitution is a great option. Sure, having game so tight that 9s txt you wanting sex is way better. But most of us will never be there. Is that just giving up? Yeah, I suppose it is. And?

Nutz
Guest
Nutz

““a guy can flex a sense of confidence around ‘unpaid’ women when he’s safe in the knowledge that he could have (and has had) sex with women who’d otherwise be higher than her own sexual market value.” lol no. That’s keyboard jockey logic.” That’s not keyboard jockey logic at all. I’ve lived it, albeit not with a hooker, but with a main that I wasn’t emotionally invested in. The fact I could tap her for sex whenever I felt like it was what he was saying in that it gets rid of the reeking stench of sexual neediness, even if… Read more »

Richard
Guest
Richard

Game (and a few drinks) = $10 (Increased confidence, being more outgoing, more self worth, good chance of repeats for free). Hire = $400 (Decreased confidence, trip to clinic and medication $200, chance of HPV and HSV, possible bail $1000). Marriage = $500,000 (Not get what paid for, divorce decreases net worth by half). 95% of the hookers I’ve seen pictures of (US and Canada) look disgusting like they are on drugs probably because they are addicted to drugs and they are hooking for money for her next hit of drugs. Instead of $400 for once with a hooker, even… Read more »

NahReally
Guest
NahReally

“I’ve lived it, albeit not with a hooker” That’s sort of the important point though, isn’t it? You were getting sex from a woman who, while you’re not interested in her, you knew deep down she wanted your cock and was chasing you. That’s abundance, sure you’d be confident from it, essentially you’re a guy who women chase and that comes through in your subcommunications. That’s not the same as getting sex from a woman who, while you’re not interested in her, you know deep down that she wouldn’t go NEAR your cock except that she’s forced to because you’re… Read more »

Jim
Guest
Jim

No it does not invalidate Game. Is there a difference between someone who steals money vs someone who earns money? Is there a difference between someone who spends daddy’s money vs owns his own business and can appreciate what he can spend because he made it? Is there a difference between a hunter who goes out and hunts and shoots a deer and has a sense of accomplishment and conquest vs someone who happens with their car hit a deer? Is there a difference between paying to be the fourth she’s had that day vs being the only she’s had… Read more »

William
Guest
William

“You will always pay for sex in SOME form.”

Even if it’s not in the form of money, you and a woman still make a transaction.

Rollo Tomassi
Guest

Exactly

Anon
Guest
Anon

Lots of these comments just reek of insecurity – if you want to go the game route, good for you. But why the hell would you care so much about what other guys are doing to get some if you’re knee-deep in pussy? I’ve used both, and what Rollo says is true for me anyway. I fall in the high paying job, not a lot of time category. I also used to be a complete beta. Knowing I can get regular sex with extremely attractive women, no matter what, made a huge difference. If you’re not starving, you’re not desperate.… Read more »

Good Luck Chuck
Guest
Good Luck Chuck

You’re missing the bigger picture. The logic you are using is “The other day I was at a friend’s party and was introduced to his girlfriend’s best friend who was visiting from out of town. We hit it off and ended up having a one night stand in his spare bedroom that night. Since I was eating his food and drinking his liquor and staying at his place that makes the sex FREE.” Although you might not have spent a penny of your mony that night there were still costs involved. Your clothes, your haircut, reciprocation cost when your buddy… Read more »

Doc
Guest
Doc

Money is just another way of gauging power and proof of just how “alpha” you are. If you claim to be “alpha” but have nothing to show for it – sure you may be able to get young women, but the older they get and the louder the biological gong gets, the more it is a consideration since a woman wants someone who can provide for and protect any children and that requires assets – that is a biological imperative, and cannot be overcome easily. If you are a man, you will “pay” in some way – whether that is… Read more »

xsplat
Guest

There used to be a website in Thailand called bangkokchat.com , that was used by western men and local young women. It was common for the girls you’d meet on that site to come over and have free same day sex. I suppose you could argue that the cost of that sex was the time it takes to log onto the computer and the effort put into chatting. Is that the kind of argument that is meant by the idea that we “always” pay for sex? If so, it gets to be a bit of a meaningless distinction, doesn’t it?… Read more »

YaReally
Guest
YaReally

No prob with the rest of your post but this: “If you claim to be “alpha” but have nothing to show for it – sure you may be able to get young women, but the older they get and the louder the biological gong gets, the more it is a consideration since a woman wants someone who can provide for and protect any children and that requires assets – that is a biological imperative, and cannot be overcome easily.” Is Jockey-Talk. If you’re an alpha with no resources they’ll still fuck the shit out of you, and if their clock… Read more »

xsplat
Guest

And perhaps that’s the larger point. Being able to at least get the basic sexual needs met with attractive women on demand lessens the power of the pedestal.

I’m glad of the option, even if I prefer not to use it. There may come a day when I use it more.

xsplat
Guest

I find it unnerving that you are able to believe this.

In a similar way that I find it unnerving that a Jehova’s witness is able to belief his obvious lies.

The mental backflips you perform effortlessly are freaking scary.

Good Luck Chuck
Guest
Good Luck Chuck

You must have missed my last post.

loveiseasy
Guest

“I’m, ironically, playing devil’s advocate here, but how is prostitution not the most immediate cure for hypergamy? Remove the provisioning and/or the Alpha energy (even just momentarily) and what woman isn’t reduced to making just as practical a decision in abandoning her man for another, than a guy is in buying himself a prostitute?” I do not follow this analogy. Perhaps I’m completely missing the point here, but I’d equate a woman making the hypergamous decision in leaving a lower quality man for a higher quality one to a man leaving a less attractive woman for a more attractive and… Read more »

YaReally
Guest
YaReally

“I find it unnerving that you are able to believe this.” I think what I love most is when guys who VERY CLEARLY do not go out and pick up regularly use phrases like “you’re able to believe this” or “you think this” or “you’d like to believe” when they disagree with me. Yes, I “believe” this stuff. Do you know why? Because I am actually out in the field regularly seeing and experiencing this stuff in action instead of sitting in my armchair jockeying like you. It’s not a matter of “belief”. I don’t “believe” water is wet, it… Read more »

Jim
Guest
Jim

Any previous comments or this comment is not to judge anyone (that is not my intent or the tone of my typing), but just for me and others to think about issues and to further try to understand the logic of some in the context of game statements. In game a statement said is, “Don’t put the pussy on a pedestal,” so that would involve guys who are starting out and are so nervous of women that they don’t even have the courage/confidence to approach and talk to women. If money is used as a medium of exchange of (real… Read more »

Jay
Guest
Jay

I cosign on Jim’s comment. For the majority of men, buying escorts is not a financially sustainable hobby unless you’re very high net-worth and/or high income. In the U.S., agency girls and high quality independents run well over 400 + an hour. Most of the women charging 200-400 are your run-of-the-mill HB6s and HB7s, nothing to get excited about. I would not touch anyone charging less than 200. Also keep in mind that the cost does not include the risk of getting arrested here in the U.S. and potentially ruining your reputation as a “sleazy john” Why not just look… Read more »

xsplat
Guest

I’m not disagreeing that it’s possible to fuck married women. I’m dissagreeing with this: “if their clock is ticking they’ll try to get pregnant from you. They’ll just find a beta tool to provide the resources and raise your kid, and you’ll be the secret lover on the side. It’s no harder at all to get them into bed or to fall in love with you if you have no resources.” You are implying that this applies to most women. Certainly it applies to some women. I’ve caused more pregnancies than I have fingers myself, and never made any gestures… Read more »

xsplat
Guest

Pay per click versus content building and search engine optimization.

xsplat
Guest

But hey, don’t let a mere trifle like reality give you “limiting beliefs”.

It could totally pummel your confidence if you were to acknowledge an attraction trigger that you don’t possess.

So watch out for that.

The most important thing is confidence. Truth that gets in the way of that only limits you and serves you no purpose.

Wilson
Guest
Wilson

Remember that were prostitution legal you could probably have a cute college girl for $100. Only in the dominion of feminists and alphas is a whore worth more than a urologist.

YaReally
Guest
YaReally

“You are implying that this applies to most women.” Yep. “Certainly it applies to some women.” Really? Then what you’re whining is about? The exact % degree of how many women it applies to? Should we narrow it down to 71.354% or find some scientific studies that say it’s 18.232243534%? “Sometimes they accept that the provider and the father can be a different person” So you agree with me. Then wtf are you on about? “but genetic studies show that this is a minority of cases” …you’ve heard of condoms right? Just ’cause they want another guy’s kid doesn’t mean… Read more »

RL
Guest

I think there is an interesting contrast:

On the one hand you can overcharge kino-deprived beta males for services.

On the other hand regular consumption, or maybe VR later as blogger TFH promotes, leads to less incentive to interact with below average looking women.

Kevon
Guest
Kevon

No waitin at da airpo, when ya got coin fo ya own plane, dats da fastest way ta fly, fo shizzle.

Don Julian
Guest
Don Julian

This is bizarre to me, this is one of the most serious game blogs around, but here Rollo is accepting that in every sexual relationship the man is, to some extent, a trick. How anti-game.

hamilton
Guest
hamilton

Sorry, but that was a weak effort by Ferdinand. What he did was place upon himself the precise same neuroses that women have on them: they only want to be around Alphas. Betas cure disease, build bridges, start businesses and all sorts of other things. They have weakness in life, sure. But who doesn’t. Alphas have all sorts of other problems – the prisons are full of them. You and Ferd can trust these guys, carte blanch.

Andrew Medina
Guest
Andrew Medina

I’m with you on that Xsplat. Honestly now I seem to enjoy the hunt more than anything. That moment when you know that you have a girl completely wrapped around your finger, is a euphoria that is hard to describe.

Andrew Medina
Guest
Andrew Medina

“The male ego and the thrill of the mating dance will always preclude prostitution from being a direct replacement for the real deal, but at the end of the day most men would benefit from having the ability to see things for what they really are.”

You got me there chief. That’s still me some days. It’s quite the high once you gain that very total power over a woman though. Sometimes it’s better than the sex.

Andrew Medina
Guest
Andrew Medina

I’m playing devil’s advocate here but that would depend on how much you value your time, and if you genuinely enjoy going to clubs.

Rollo Tomassi
Guest

Game still needs to stand up to scrutiny.

Andrew Medina
Guest
Andrew Medina

Not really. All things in life are a transaction of sorts, each with it’s own unique opportunity costs.

Think about spending time with your closest friends, or going out on a limb for one in need. That’s a transaction despite no money being involved. You spend time, wit, energy in exchange for a genuine companion, and the times you share. Your friend does the same.

Dan
Guest
Dan

Yesterday I heard that LE is cracking down even more on establishments in the U.S. where there is suspected s. trafficking (even if it’s not happening there), and there was even photos of a raid at one such establishment in the newspaper of people arrested. Also, it said that some states in the USA are looking into making all escorting illegal (from ads, phone numbers, to internet sites), as they are saying that escorts are a cover for illegal prostitution. A major national escort site (not referring to CL either) was shut down last year. Last week a popular national… Read more »

Dan
Guest
Dan

I was going to add, that probably the fem-govt wants to make even escorts illegal because the States and Federal govt’s are in so much debt that they want to tap into this billions of dollars a year industry to collect more taxes to cover their own debts. Or, if they they can’t find ways to tax prositution (like some countries already are taxing it), then they want to make it illegal, then the escorts would have to get jobs in fast food (making the ladies fat), so at least the govt could tax those fast food wages. Also, many… Read more »

Sturm
Guest
Sturm

I value my time and I LOATHE going to clubs, so prostitutes are the best option when I just want a quick lay, no questions asked, no bullshit required. And a lot of the “lolololol your game sucks” people don’t realize that the rich, high-status guys don’t pay hookers to have sex with them, they pay the hookers to service them and then get the fuck out of dodge,

Sturm
Guest
Sturm

You’ve managed to summarize my thoughts on the matter pretty well. For all the gamers out there, think of it as “training wheels” of sorts, you can’t go from Betamax to Alpha Prime overnight.

Sturm
Guest
Sturm

It’s very common in Latinamerican countries, where college-aged girls usually rent a small apartment and service their clients there in a discreet fashion, and once they’ve graduated they drop off the business altogether. Hell, some college girls even do it just for the thrill, the attention, and money to buy expensive shit since Daddy already pays the tuition anyway.

Andrew Medina
Guest
Andrew Medina

Charlie Sheen, is that you?

DC Phil
Guest
DC Phil
Ben Runkle
Guest
Ben Runkle

I have to Agree with Yareally, I began learning about game and game tactics at 15, then came to college and lost weight and while I still learned about game, I was doing the whole take a chick out to the movies, dinner etc. thing. Now it’s gotten to the point where I only do that if I’m interested in said activity. I haven’t had sushi in a while and I’d like to go with a pretty chick, os I’ve invited a few out lately. I wanted to go see a movie last night and I wanted a girl to… Read more »

deadliftman
Guest
deadliftman

Well, a man could do both. Learn game, go out and if you hit a rough dry patch, go fuck some high class escort. It will certainly help reduce desperation in guys who are just starting to learn game. Less desperation means more interest from the chicas. Just make sure you fuck high class escorts so as to minimize chance of STDs. Your average sorority club chic anyway gets rawdogged at 4 AM every weekend – so if anything, escorts pose less risk of STDs. All of this shaming is useless. Fuck shame and fuck guilt. Just don’t deceive yourself.… Read more »

Jack.Rayner
Guest

This is some hard hitting truth here, Rollo. One could even say it is “anti-game” (as some already), which makes it more commendable coming from you, considering your audience.

Never stop scrutinizing, sir. The moment you stop allowing yourself from following thoughts such as these, then you’ll be stuck in ideology.

agent p
Guest
agent p

What married man has not done the “hooker math” after a failed date night?

trackback

[…] feel this is the best way to satisfy their need for sex and female contact. It may indeed be your best option under the current social […]

trackback

[…] escorts. I had followed some links Advocatus Diaboli had offered in a few of his posts about his dealing with escorts, and while there were the prerequisite “pros’ with pornstar bodies and manners to […]

Tom
Guest
Tom

@agent p
> What married man has not done the “hooker math” after
> a failed date night?

Change that to “What man . . . ”

If you ever have a chance to read The Happy Hooker, an oldie from 1971 in which former hooker and madam Xaviera Hollander describes her typical brother clientele, you’ll note that weekend knights after 1-3 am were peak periods when the guys who had been turned down for sex by the girls they had taken out on dates showed up to get their balls drained, probably at a lower cost than their bills for the date.

Tom
Guest
Tom

And speaking of the old-time classic books, How to be the Jerk Women Love by Frank Shark from 1994 has a calculation by FJ, using very conservative assumptions, that prostitutes have a much low cost-per-fuck (CPF) than wives do.

Lone Survivor
Guest
Lone Survivor

All right guys, 34-yo former nice guy with no money and fair body who is now working for the Top Pharma company in the World (making 3000 euro gross) with a good workout body. Let’s see: 1) there is no such thing as “game”. If you think that “game” gets you laid, I am sorry to disappoint you. When you hit a club, bar, pub, supermarket, or whatever, chances are that what you are going to tell to that hot chick has been said by 100 guys before you at least. and the older the hot chick is, the higher… Read more »

Outermarkers
Guest
Outermarkers

I done PUA thing but I’ve also used whores.The only men carrying on about whores are yanks.Meanwhile they pay strippers and seem to put them on a pedestal.Paying strippers is paying to be cock teased…and then brag about picking up a stripper like they climbed Everest..I’ve had 2 stripper girlfriends big deal I’m actually not proud of it.One was the worst no cock sense lay I’ve ever had. The rest of us don’t care I’ve been to Europe and got laid there more times than I can remember.I’ve also been to FKK clubs there and oh my God you don’t… Read more »

%d bloggers like this: