The Pareto Principle

Pareto

An interesting side discussion was started in what proved to be a very popular post thread for The War Brides of Europe, and rather than let it disappear beneath a thousand-plus comments I thought I’d pick up on an old post I’ve had in my drafts for a while now.

One of the foundational ideas of Red Pill awareness from the earliest PUA years has been the 80/20 concept – 80% of women want to have sex and / or pair off with the top 20% of men. This has been a fast and loosely defined in terms of subjective sexual market value (SMV) between men and women and the ratio of disparity between those valuations.

In intersexual terms, this 80/20 rule finds its roots in the economic theory known as the Pareto Principle: “80% of your sales come from 20% of your clients.” While I’m not sure the principle is directly translatable, it mirror the general rule of Hypergamy and women’s innate drive to optimize their sexual strategy with who they perceive as the top tier 20% (Alphas) men are fucking the 80% lion’s share of women. Many a despondent Beta picks up on the principle and uses this to justify his failures to connect with women.

I’m of the opinion that the 80/20 rule is often abused to justify men’s failures or successes with women (more often failure), however the fundamental notion is both observable and easily verifiable in-field as well as statistically. It is however important to keep in mind that the 80/20 rule as it applies to Hypergamy is often bastardized in its inverse. The presumption goes that if 80% of women want to have sex with the top 20% of men it should necessarily mean that the top 20% of men are fucking 80% of women. Many a despondent Beta picking up on this dynamic will use this assumption to disqualify himself from Game or give up in futility. More on this later.

As a point of reference, it’s important to remember that Hypergamy doesn’t seek its own level with regard to SMV comparisons. Rather, Hypergamy is always seeking a socio-sexual pairing that is a ‘better than’ exchange for a woman’s own, realistically comparative, SMV. And as I’ve mentioned previously, Hypergamy is always pragmatic about establishing that ‘better than’ SMV exchange with men’s.

While the Red Pill’s expanded definition of Hypergamy encompasses far more than just ‘marrying up‘, the 80/20 sexual selection process is simple enough that even Aunt Giggles in her heyday could illustrate it:

hypergamy-in-a-pic

As you might guess the fundaments of basic Hypergamy are easy to understand, so the tendency is to oversimplify the complexities that really define Hypergamy and how the 80/20 basics play out. And lastly, it’s important to bear in mind the dual nature of women’s Hypergamous filtering, impulses and attendant emotional investments – the 80/20 dynamic applies to both the Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks aspects of Hypergamy, however the characteristics that would optimize the former tend to come at the expense of the latter (and vice versa).

All that said, the 80/20 principle is fairly simple; a majority of women across the broadest SMV spectrum (80%) will always want for a ‘better than’ pairing (both sexual and provisional) than their own comparative SMV.

If the underlying mechanics of Hypergamy-inspired desire were only about a 1 or 2 step difference in SMV the distribution ratio wouldn’t be 80/20. As sophomoric as it is the above graph is relatively accurate: an SMV 3 woman is desirous of an SMV 8 or above man as representative of a Hypergamously optimal pairing (sex and/or provisioning).

For the 80/20 rule to hold true we’re looking at a comparative difference of 5 steps in SMV. Now, granted, this is on the extreme end of the spectrum, and it should also be noted that SMV is also a question of context and based on a woman’s ‘filtering’ perception of a man’s SMV being legitimate. However, this doesn’t alter the ‘better than’ merited pragmatism of Hypergamy.

Whether or not a woman is actually capable of this optimization isn’t relative to understanding the principle. Indeed, with the expansion of instant communication, social emphasis of women’s empowerment and esteem, and the influence social media exercises over the female ego, an SMV 3 woman of today might likely believe she is in fact deserving of a man 5 steps above her own (a good example). But for purposes of understanding how the Pareto principle applies to intersexual dynamics we must focus on the latent purposes for it to exist.

Common Errors

The easiest (or most convenient) mistake to make about this dynamic is to presume that the consolidation of Hypergamy (locking down a man 5 to 1 steps higher in SMV in monogamy) defines the 80/20 rule. Remember, this principle is about desire and women’s expected (entitled?) satisfaction of it, not the actual consolidation (LTR) of that Hypergamous ideal.

In the prior thread the conversation centered on the mistaken idea that the Pareto Principle is not universal or is only observed in some systems, but not in human sexuality. To which I’d argue that in no other system is this principle more evident than intersexual dynamics – and not just among humans but countless other species. It’s unflattering to the disguise in which the Feminine Imperative would put it in, but, whether realizable or not, the 80/20 rule practically defines female desire.

The second mistake it to presume the inverse: that 20% of men actually get 80% of women. Usually this gets trotted out as an equal-for-equal argument that presumes, again, that desire should necessarily translate into consolidation. Betas and lower SMV men do get laid and pair off with women for any number of reasons, but the principle isn’t about who’s actually fucking who. Rather, it’s about who has more access to sexually available women based on their SMV valuation. Nice Guys may finish last, but they do finish eventually – whether they finish ‘well’ is a thought for another post.

A third common mistake, made mostly by women, presumes the goal-state outcome of intersexual dynamics should be to arrive at a monogamous state. This is the consolidation of a female sexual strategy, and because we live in a feminine-primary social order, that committed, monogamous end to women’s sexual strategy is perceived as the socially “correct” goal. At no point is men’s imperative interests (sexual or life-rewarding) a priority, if it’s considered at all, in the Hypergamous equation. In the absence (or disregard) of men’s conflicting interests the Feminine Imperative substitutes what best fits its own interests as the socially ‘appropriate’ goals for men. Then it qualifies ‘manhood’ according to its proxy interests for men, so that any man not measuring up to them are not considered truly ‘men’ by its definition.

Women’s innate Hypergamous nature ensures a distributive model for desire that aligns with the Pareto Principle – even if the overall result of women settling for less than optimal Hypergamy appears to contradict it. Again, it’s important to remember that women’s Hypergamous desires are often not reflected by the outcome of those desires.

Want is not have

The concept that a woman’s Hypergamous imperative wouldn’t be a mutual goal between the sexes is an alien thought to most women.  Much in the same way that men idealistically want to believe women mutually share their concept of love for love’s sake (and free from the conditions of their Burden of Performance), women are mistaken in believing men’s sexual strategy is synonymous with the female strategy and shares a mutual end. By way of feminine solipsism and a social order that only considers women’s imperatives as legitimate, collective feminine social consciousness rarely gives men’s imperatives an afterthought – and then only when they become problematic to the Feminine Imperative.

Women subconsciously reinforce the feminine-correct goal state of LTR monogamy by a continuous, autonomous, expectation of its fulfillment – even when that fulfillment creates cognitive dissonance with their short term vs. long term sexual strategy. It’s part of women’s Hypergamous firmware to do so because it ensures (or tries to) their subconscious need for parental investment and long term security / provisioning.

What women necessarily must disregard is that their own sexual strategy choices are determined by the want to pair with a mate who exceeds her own SMV. Thus, the Pareto principle applies.

In Open Hypergamy I made mention that there is a social transitioning taking place among women where revealing the uglier side of Hypergamy is becoming more acceptable. The degree of comfort with which women have in revealing the machinations of Hypergamy is proportional to their capacity to play the 80/20 game well enough to consolidate on a 20th percentile man (or his closest approximation). For women still uncomfortable with openly embracing the uglier side of Hypergamy concealing the truth about the 80/20 becomes a practical priority. You will find in the future that many of the conflicts you read between Strong Independent Women® of differing social or moral perspectives will be based in their degree of comfort in openly relating the machinations of Hypergamy.

Women for whom keeping the 80/20 rule concealed from men’s popular consciousness (women with less capacity to compete intrasexually) can ill afford to have men aware of their own SMV and how it affects their long term sexual strategy. High value Red Pill aware men have the leisure to exploit Hypergamy and low value Red Pill men aware of their Hypergamous role risk denying women of the resources to provision them in the long term.

The Male Side of the Principle

Way back in the Peak Hypergamy post Hollenhund got me thinking about how the Hypergamous  aspect of the Pareto Principle can become men’s primary source of frustration and apathy:

I have to COMPLETELY OVERCOME all my handicaps to the point where I am BETTER than 80% of men at least.

I have to have my shit together better than the vast majority of men. I’m having a hard enough time just getting to be AVERAGE, but what I need to do in order to have any kind of sex life and get ANY of my sexual needs met AT ALL is be better than the vast majority of guys out there.

So, in other words, you’ll end up killing yourself anyway, but you’ll do it the slow way, by making sure you’ll end up an exhausted wretch with an ulcer, high blood pressure and similar health problems? Because that’s what you’re basically saying there.

I tend to think of how men confront the challenge of their performance burden is a parallel to their understanding of the 80/20 rule. On some level of consciousness men either possess some evolved instinct for it, or they develop some learned understanding of their own role in relation to how the 80/20 dynamic applies to them.

I think much of what frustrates men about assessing their own SMV in a Blue Pill mindset comes from an instinctual understanding of the 80/20 rule and reconciling it with what they’re being socialized to believe women ought to evaluate them for. Before any Game, before any Red Pill awareness, men’s first deductive impression is to classify themselves into SMV respective “leagues“, and women who would or wouldn’t be sexually accessible according to those leagues.

Ironically, even men’s Blue Pill league evaluations fail to account for women’s 1-5 SMV step over evaluation of their own SMV. The equalist agenda teaches men that their leagues should be based on a like-for-like parallel, when Hypergamy really demands men’s SMV be well above that of women.

This of course gets distorted once men begin to become Red Pill aware and over-exaggerate the abstract concept of Alpha and how it applies to themselves. In a way they fall victim to believing they must become an Alpha parody in order to measure up to women’s apex fallacy impression of a top 20% man.

Needless to say Red Pill awareness and applied Game will reveal the truth about the 80/20 rule. Initially it seems like a horribly unjust set of conditions for an ‘average’ man, but the rule is still based on the fundamental biological and psychological underpinnings of Hypergamy, and therefore open to exploits for a Red Pill aware man.

Quality Assurances

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In the above example (h/t Young Patriarch) we can see the comparison between a naturalistic, Hypergamous socio-sexual order contrasted with an idealized socio-sexual structure. The Sexual Freedom model mirrors the 80/20 rule, while the Regulated model is representative of an idealized structure designed with the intent to evenly justify pairings according to a distributive monogamy.

As I mentioned earlier, men have an instinctual understanding about how the 80/20 Pareto Principle applies to women’s Hypergamy. And while Game is a modern contingency for it I would argue that the cross-culture concept of a monogamous marriage between men and women was a broader contingency designed not just to counter women’s Pareto-centered sexual strategy, but to ensure a greater majority of (lesser SMV) men had the opportunity to pass on their genetic heritage.

I could point out that the Regulated model above is very representative of an egalitarian model for monogamy based again on the like-for-like presumption, but Hypergamy being what it naturally is will always confound that ideal. However, I have to also point out that the Regulated ideal has always been a convenient selling tool to keep both men and women ignorant of the uglier, visceral nature of the Hypergamous sexual marketplace.

Marriage as a social adaptation serves (or served) as a negotiated buffer against Hypergamy, but it also serves as a perceived buffer against men’s Burden of Performance that would otherwise necessitate the constant super-achievement that Hollenhund describes above. As a social dynamic marriage was a Beta breeding insurance policy that conveniently enough took root about the time human beings began to adopt a largely agrarian lifestyle.

Today equalism and the fantasy of an idealized, mutually beneficial monogamy based on the Old Set of Books is little more than a contingent workaround for the 80/20 rule reality. As this idealism decays and is replaced by either Red Pill awareness or men learning the harsh realities of modern marriage liability the more we will see a shift away from the Regulated model in favor of a now openly Hypergamous model.

Recently NY Mag had yet another feminist triumphalism article in the same vein as the Atlantic’s End of Men article (apparently 6 years is the period in which the femosphere believes popular awareness of its bullshit memes end). However there was this one salient point that illustrates this shift in monogamy:

In 2009, the proportion of American women who were married dropped below 50 percent. In other words, for the first time in American history, single women (including those who were never married, widowed, divorced, or separated) outnumbered married women. Perhaps even more strikingly, the number of adults younger than 34 who had never married was up to 46 percent, rising 12 percentage points in less than a decade. For women under 30, the likelihood of being married has become astonishingly small: Today, only around 20 percent of Americans are wed by age 29, compared to the nearly 60 percent in 1960.

In the old order of monogamy the mutually beneficial exchange centered on quality assurances, either via polygamy (sexual assurances) or monogamy (provisonal assurances) in a Beta context. These assurances, having been more or less compensated for by men’s willing or unwilling assistance via social and legislative means, are no longer an incentive for women to marry or commit to a long term monogamy, and this is evidenced in almost a decade of statistics that show this decline.

A Wife for Every Beta

In Christian Dread I made mention of Nick Krausers’ appearance on London Real. For a bit more elaboration on this principle cue the video to 5:00 and watch until about 8:33.

A wife for every Beta is the old order negotiated social contract function of committed monogamy. In a state of nature where 80% of men can never be assured of a genetic legacy, most men have no incentive to participate in an organized society. What the Regulated model of sexuality does (albeit inefficiently) is gives Beta males the incentive to cooperate in larger society by establishing monogamy as the predominant social order. And then, as Krauser mentions these societies tend to outperform those based on a Hypergamous, naturalistic socio-sexual structure.

As mentioned this arrangement was based on an exchange of long term security for women for assurances of sexual access and ultimately a genetic legacy. Essentially it was a negotiated compromise of the desire for the Alpha Fucks aspect of Hypergamy for the assurances of a long term Beta Bucks aspect of Hypergamy. By today’s socio-sexual standard this old order arrangement is supplanted with the relatively assured guarantee of satisfying both aspects of Hypergamy at different phases of a woman’s maturity in life. Thus we see the Epiphany Phase, Alpha Widowhood and every variety of schema I outline in Preventive Medicine.

The new, post-sexual revolution order is a model ostensibly based on ‘sexual freedom’, but what this really represents is a return to that naturalistic sexual order based on pre-agrarian, evolutionarily incentivized Hypergamy. We revert back to an open acceptance of the 80/20 realities that, if we’re honest, always informed even a Regulated socio-sexual model of monogamy.

In the new era of Open Hypergamy, women’s only necessitated compromise of her sexual strategy depends on her exaggerated self-impression of her SMV measured against her capacity to lock down an optimal male. This also explains the endless push to create self-confident, self-important ‘independent’ women. Women’s naturalistic predilection for the 80/20 Pareto Principle of sexual selection virtually assures their long term isolation – thus the need for a self-created impression of women’s self-sufficiency.

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kfg
kfg
7 years ago

““Cardio to lose weight” is a holdover from half baked research done in about 1968 . . .” I didn’t attach my usual disclaimer, because the people I was directly addressing are familiar enough with me, but . . . I am not a lifter defending lifting. I am an endurance cyclist with a bit of running to maintain the ability and a considerable amount of walking. I’m a “cardio” guy, defending lifting. You are correct that the “aerobics” thing came from Dr. Kenneth Cooper, circa 1968, but it relies on basic physiological research that is actually a century old… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@Rollo – Re: Emily – Been doing a little experiment with her on this thread and the last, formally telling her that I’m willing to deal with her as a legitimate commenter here, someone who is trying to learn and contribute. It’s interesting, she activates the Dad in me, as do more than a few young women these days. I feel the absence of my daughter very strongly and I’m finding paternalistic feelings fucking me up with young women. The plate I was trying to rehab just went ballistic on me as I slipped into paternalistic comfort mode with her,… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@ScribblerG You are merely changing the premise of the analogy. If I propose that the premise is that men are the cause, they are the actors, they are the contextual reason for being chosen, then there is a Pareto Distribution. Pareto distributions originally were derived from wealth in Italy. Those in the top 20% caused that wealth (or got lucky with inheritance). They were the actors. Women are confused (by who is alpha compared to 10,000 years ago in today’s “noisy” society) and they don’t act logically. You can’t negotiate desire. Which man she deems “better” or more alpha is… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@ScribblerG “I also notice that she is bright and perhaps she needs to connect with older men who are not her Dad to broaden her horizons. I noticed she’s using her dimmer switch. And this observation is spot on: “1. She’s doing research for her own purposes, university, and for fleshing out her political/philosophical views. I think she’s trying to figure out how to do the good Catholic girl thing while being a “strong independent woman”, and arguing with us helps her define those boundaries so her slippery mind can allow her to not be dissonant while holding feminist and… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
7 years ago

kfg You are correct that the “aerobics” thing came from Dr. Kenneth Cooper, circa 1968, but it relies on basic physiological research that is actually a century old and has been completely superseded by subsequent research. To make matters worse, before WWII the most advanced research was being done in Germany and Austria, and it got “lost” during the war. We’ve spent a lot of time playing catch up with what was already known. Worse yet, the whole notion of “calories”. Someone setting fire to food, then determining from the length of time it burns the “calories” it contains is… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
7 years ago

Sribblerg “she activates the Dad in me, as do more than a few young women these days. I feel the absence of my daughter very strongly and I’m finding paternalistic feelings fucking me up with young women. The plate I was trying to rehab just went ballistic on me as I slipped into paternalistic comfort mode with her, trying to help her deal with her craziness.” Yeah as an older guy you have to be careful with this, because it is a natural instinct and you DO have all the answers. But it dries up pussies, so just cut it… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
7 years ago

” I’d say it’s highly likely she has fingered herself musing about you.”

And others… this is a consistent pattern at game/RP sites. women coming to “argue” for tinglezzzzz – always with some awesome guy they are seeing in real life. Lulz.

Always the same.

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@All – Great little documentary on the Evolution of Sex. The most interesting part is in the beginning, showing how sharks were the first species to copulate and have pregnancy where the offspring remains inside the mother’s body. Notice shark mating practices and how violence was necessarily part of copulation from the start. Biting the female shark causes ovulation and she has skin twice as thick as the male to compensate for being bitten. Hmmmmmmmmmmm….

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8C9zOZuWWA&w=560&h=315%5D

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

When i was 17, I was a receptionist at a hospital and the dietitian was the closest door to my right. I worked in the waiting area and it wasn’t lost with me that everyone who went into her door got fatter over time. She recommended a “fat free diet” and said the “old way” (fats, proteins and so forth) was misinformed and outdated. Now, what the “misinformed” used to say way back when seems to rule the day. “I am not a lifter defending lifting. I am an endurance cyclist with a bit of running to maintain the ability… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

I can safely say the friends I have that have never participated in any sports are almost universally worse at everything involving kinesthesia. Riding motorcycles, shooting, even just running… you name it, they suck at it. Meanwhile I’ve always filled my life with a wide variety of physical activities so I wind up picking new ones up faster. Hell, since taking on kung fu I’ve noticed I’m far better at any activity involving balance, distance judgement, or timing. I’ve always found that all physical activity I do contributes to almost all others in at least some way, if only through… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
7 years ago

Scribberg on his Dad game to Emilyslut
And you know what? She doesn’t respond to that approach at all, lol.

She does respond. Just not the way you want her to.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
7 years ago

Liz
When i was 17, I was a receptionist at a hospital and the dietitian was the closest door to my right.
I worked in the waiting area and it wasn’t lost with me that everyone who went into her door got fatter over time.

Was the dietician fat, too? I’m always amused by the number of “diet experts” I’ve known who are fat, fat, fat.

Yeah, it’s almost as if “results count” or “actions speak louder than words”.

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@SJF – You are making the same mistake as Rollo. Men cannot be the cause and the effect. That there are feedback loops and effects at the margins doesn’t change this. Women choose and men compete for this choice in 90% of the couplings that occur. 100% of women choose up – hence the causes are not only present in 20%, it’s axiomatic and none of your wrangling changes that a bit. You use the Italian wealthy analogy to your detriment, as it’s not an analogy. Women are the cause. They select. They cause the skew, men do not. We… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

AR: “Was the dietician fat, too?”
Strantely, no. I’m pretty sure she didn’t follow her own advice.

“I’m always amused by the number of “diet experts” I’ve known who are fat, fat, fat.”
Me too.

newlyaloof
7 years ago

@Rollo, any way you could shadow-ban women comments like Twitter does so I don’t have to see them under the “Recent Comments” section and roll my eyes? Of course, they would see their own comments and get their hamster food, but we wouldn’t have to. lol.

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@Rollo – But women still select – tingles are easy to generate, they do not yield sex in most cases. As for the check and the mic, you have a firm grip on neither.

hank holiday
hank holiday
7 years ago

@culum @forge @anon @yareally So sad from the lack of FR here recently. I don’t have any new ones to add, but I do have another FR about girls I met in the past. This one is a HB8 south american. *Don’t think I was clear about this last time when I wrote about the 5, but the point of doing these FRs isn’t to comisserate about lost opportunities, but instead to check and see if my understanding of past events is concrete. There may be something I am missing that could help me out now in the present.* This… Read more »

quixotic
quixotic
7 years ago

@Sentient Wow, thanks for taking the time to further break down the pussy cake incident lol now I really understand exactly what you meant, I was slightly confused before. Dude ding ding ding winner winner chicken dinner you just blew my mind with “self amusement” but within HER frame = dancing monkey. Self amusement for only self amusement, i.e. the vaunted ZFG posture = impotent seduction. Self amusement TOWARDS a goal, from YOUR frame = seduction” Like damn I try to avoid the first one, I know that. But the second one I never even really considered from your perspective.… Read more »

hank holiday
hank holiday
7 years ago

@quixotic

that’s a yareally question. he’s posted a bit about safely choking, but i don’t remember anything else. would be interested in an instruction manual for dominat sex as well

newlyaloof
7 years ago

@quixotic “Does anyone here see any value to posts about how to have dominant sex?” Just read the Sex God Method YaReally linked to. You can find it free and it’s all you need to read in one place.

Chump No More
Chump No More
7 years ago

@kfg, “I’m a “cardio” guy, defending lifting.”

I’m in the same camp. After taking the RP, I lost 100 lb on walking, then running & lifting. Funny, before the RP, I never ran a day in my life and now I’m hooked. Mostly half marathons and a few tri sprints. Last 1/2 finished in 1:50:00 (8:30 avg).

Does this metabolic endurance program of your work as equally well for running.

redlight
redlight
7 years ago

The following is not satire, but a real news article Emma Watson, the former Harry Potter star, 25, said that she has signed up to the website OMGYES.com, which uses scientific research on female pleasure to help people get better in bed. “I wish it had been around longer. Definitely check it out, It’s an expensive subscription, but it’s worth it.” A rep for the site, which costs $59 to subscribe to, told the New York Daily News that they’re investing millions into the research of female sexual pleasure. “In short, scientists had never researched actual techniques for pleasure because… Read more »

Pinelero
Pinelero
7 years ago

Damn it… someone send her a copy of the Rationale Male. Maybe she can come here as a guest like miss Emily

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

“Wow, Hermione! Emma Watson has revealed that she has a secret weapon when it comes to making sure her sex life is as good as it possibly could be — and there’s not a magic wand involved!”

She chose a boyfriend that looks like a clone of James Deen. I bet there is a magic wand involved.

emilyy96
7 years ago

Naaaa Glenn, it’s not that I ‘don’t respond to that approach,’ it’s just that I am busy! 😮
And replying to your post will take more time than responding to someone’s stupid comments. I’ll try to post before going to Nassau though.

Rollo, thanks for not banning me. ‘sides, I’m going for a week, so y’all will get a nice break from me xD

10x10
10x10
7 years ago

and hypergamy is seeking the “best” This is imprecise. Female hypergamy in the long term sexual market is NOT seeking the “best”, but the “best that she can keep in a long term relationship”. There are parameters around hypergamy. It is not unbounded. Now in the short term sexual market you could argue that women will seek the “best” as in the highest status possible. But even there, from my experience what I see is that if a man is too high value for many women they auto-eject once they see this. Many women don’t want to have sex with… Read more »

quixotic
quixotic
7 years ago

@newlyaloof
Thanks man! I somehow missed Yareally talking about sex god method even though i read the stuff on squirting 101 which is in the same post

I think i found it, 13 page pdf?

https://www.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/397xnn/where_can_i_find_a_free_pdf_or_ebook_of_the_sex/

http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=Sex+God+Method

not sure its the same one, amazon sells it for $150 seems a little pricey for 13 pages lol

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

@Chump No More: “Does this metabolic endurance program of your work as equally well for running.” It can reduce the amount of running you have to do to be a good runner. Thus reducing wear and tear on your joints and lowering your overall risk of injury, since you do more training in a safe, controlled environment. There is no need to run on the road in freezing rain if you don’t want to, just to “get in your miles.” My off season cycling training is almost entirely strength based. I ride some rollers, but with a low gear, not… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Emily, candidly you should reveal far less information about yourself.
(where you are and where you are going and so forth)
Not throwing barbs at all. I mean this seriously.

10x10
10x10
7 years ago

Re Krauser, Stirner and Rand Krauser is not a “Randian”. And Stirner’s philosophy and Rand’s are antithetical to each other. Rand hated Stirner’s approach to philosophy. To her, he was a whim worshipping “subjectivist”. Krauser is going through a type of Nietzschean white nationalist phase complete with a demonic hatred of Jews and Hitler worship. I hope he works out of that. While I agree with racial hereditarianism (as opposed to racial environmentalism), Krauser has gone off the deep end. The white nationalist portion of the Manosphere is simultaneously interesting yet dangerous. But it definitely is not Randian. As for… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@Liz

Don’t do that. You might convince her to not say whatever reveals her cuck’s name. That bro needs our help.

Dutchman
Dutchman
7 years ago

Liz, bad stuff happens to other people, not her.

redlight
redlight
7 years ago

we already have enough info to id Emily’s BF in minutes

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

I already checked, and Rice doesn’t have a swim team (or dive team). He must go to a different University.
Just sayin’.

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

I mean, a male swim or dive team.

Dutchman
Dutchman
7 years ago

I’ve been busy as shit lately so I haven’t had time to post much. Brief report from this morning. Wife and I were laying in bed for a few minutes before we had to get up. her: (talking about something related to married couples, I don’t remember specifics) me: yeah, you’re just disappointed that I’m not your dorky sidekick (reference to this other couple we know) her: that’s totally how (her friend) sees her husband me: fuck that haha her: you should probably replace me with a younger woman since i’m getting old me: do you know any available 18… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@Dutchman I think you did good at keeping frame. Congratulations on that. Are you feeling more comfortable with that? When you start feeling comfortable with that instead of feeling uncomfortable with it is shows you are gaining some mastery over that. And then you will plateau. A plateau happens when your brain achieves a level of automaticity; in other words, when you can perform a skill on autopilot, without conscious thought. Our brains love autopilot, because in most situations it’s pretty handy. It lets us chew gum and walk and ride bikes without having to think about it, freeing our… Read more »

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
7 years ago

In a Brothel, 100% of men SELECT, and a 100% of prostitutes COMPETE.

Out side the brothel, top 20% select the competing 100% of women. The 80% of men compete.
The King doesn’t compete for a queen.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
7 years ago

Rollo
“I have with YaReally & RSD is that while I think Game and your headspace are the most important, physical attractiveness plays an important part in attraction on a visceral level.”
+hight(and a big dick) and the Man become the ” hunted “.
Ps,
Where is Yareally.

@Emily , did you compete to get your pink balls bf or you only compete at spring break?

kobayashii1681
7 years ago

@Sentient: On women posting on RP siteshttp://cdn2.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Ricky-Gervais-Cracking-Up-On-Sofa.gif

Well played sir!

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@KFG

“Yet I can’t help but note that the cheetah manages to stay lean, fit and mass stable without a clue, never mind a directive. It “just happens.”

And that means something. Something important.”

Heartiste once said :

“Some of you may be tempted to ask, “Heartiste, how can you be so right, so often? What’s your trick?” It’s simple.

1. Don’t live by lies.

2. Step outside of the house.

That’s it! You too can be a man of wisdom and great perspicacity by simply following those two rules above.”

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/05/18/chicks-dig-jerks-in-every-way-the-science/

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@Rollololololololo

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thwack
thwack
7 years ago

Fuck heartiste, his blog and all the people who comment on it.

If I see him on the street Im slappin the shit outta him

thwack
thwack
7 years ago

Blaximus February 25th, 2016 at 1:04 pm Okay. I’m going to go racial here for a minute, but only to try and make a universal point. Bear with me guys. The whole ” looking to society for approval thing ” is a tricky way to live life. As a black man in the U.S., I’m very much aware of societal disapproval just based on my skin color. Then there’s the ” lower IQ ‘ meme that follows me around like a dog looking for food. Add to that a wide array of insults and falsehoods… what you wind up with… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

It’s kind of funny how so many on this thread cannot process a simple cause and effect relationship. Women select in 90% of sexual couplings. This is a scientific fact. Even the best PUA will tell you that under the best of circumstances getting a woman who is very attracted to you into bed is work. Pareto states that 20% of the cause drives 80% of the effect, but when we talk about female sexual selection we are talking about how 100% of women aim up and that preferences effects on the sexual marketplace. Funnier yet is guys telling me… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

Ok Thwack You know we are on the same team on this</i blog. Non racialist. No one is condoning Heartiste in it's current iteration. That statement was made in 2012. Could have been Roissy. And we all know the current bent of Heartiste. (I don't know if Roissy was racist. Heartiste is.) I see a tendency to speak of origins of thought rather than the dynamic which is being discussed. Krauser (racist) was speaking of Max Stirner and the application of his philosophy to game. Not the intrinsic fundamentals of his philosophy. Rollo was talking of the Pareto Principle and… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@Rollo – Holy shit that was funny!

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

10×10 – Great commentary in Stirner, Rand and Krauser – spot on. Rand was a classical liberal, and found anarchists loathesome and tedious. As I do…

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@ScribblerG

“I think the real issue for some here is the implication of this. Women have the upper hand in real ways and I think that some men hate noting that. “

I took eleven minutes to formulate my last comment and will probably overlap your next comment again.

I agree the real issue is the implication of this. 80% of men will hate noting that. That is the point.

Game on.

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

Agree with the great commentary of Scribbler and 10 x10 with my frame of reference that I know little of philosophy. Never had a reason to. But I have an open mind and like to learn.

But I do appreciate:

“Philosophies provide heuristics, interesting lenses of analyses and ways to compare the moral and rational import/weight/merit of ideas. However, to slavishly devote oneself to any particular one will reveal its limits.”

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

And I hate missing a “>” @ 6:11 pm. It does look more emphatic in italics though.

keyser Soze
keyser Soze
7 years ago

@scribblerg.
Even a little girl would tell you who is a relationship material and who is for “fun” .
Ps,
Just ask Emily.

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@Thwack Blaximus: “Okay. I’m going to go racial here for a minute, but only to try and make a universal point. Bear with me guys.” See? Look at you Blaximus, that pussyjuice is even drippin down on you (((shakin my head))) Blaximus is not apologizing for anything other that interjecting race race on this blog. Because it is not tolerated by “regular” commenters here. He is not apologizing for his race. Fact is he is highly regarded for his thoughts here as a masculine, natural alpha, with a profoundly good upbringing by wonderful patriarchal masculine males that set him on… Read more »

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
7 years ago

The pareto principal may just be what inspired the phrase”beauty is only skin deep but ugly goes all the way to the bone”.

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
7 years ago

@ Thwack Why didn’t you crack on me for shufflin , before I told10x there may be a coon up his family tree?

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago

Thwack-

I’m on my weekly 48 hour internet break, but..bruh, why so serious?

This ain’t hesrtiste so chill with the anger. Have a snicker bar or something.

Very cool people here. Relax.

I’m having fun, blowing off steam, eating some amazing salmon, and getting ready to go into porn star mode.

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

Good point Liz. And yeah my bf doesn’t go to Rice.

lol Rollo, if you ask me, it seems like you are thinking about me 😉

srsly though, first it’s not spring break season yet my uni has the break earlier. Second, its just for watersports, hotels and beaches. No partying or hooking up 🙄

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

@Emily: “. . . its just for watersports . . .”

Too easy.

kobayashii1681
7 years ago

@Rollo: concerning Emily on spring break…
SPOT.ON!!!!

Niko Choski (@nikochoski)

Doesn’t it get tiring to hear every girl state NAWALT when they all do exactly the same shit and respond to exactly the same shit? It is always even with the most attractive of women and the most intelligent or the most artistic – a repetitive game of initial attraction and later on dread. And I am still fucking young – I can only imagine how things change when you get on top of your game as some of the older guys here have. I see my 30 year old + single friends – once the red pill was introduced… Read more »

kobayashii1681
7 years ago

@kfg: Ain’t that the truth…she probably squirted just saying that 😁…

kobayashii1681
7 years ago

@Niko: Well said….
And this…
“. I see my 30 year old + single friends – once the red pill was introduced in their lives (by myself) they just keep them on rotation.”

Especially in/from our 30s I think the increased maturity, plus, full acceptance of the red pill, also emboldens us not to compromise on our masculinity, sexuality.
The dread flows from there….

Johnycomelately
Johnycomelately
7 years ago

“Try this on for size – whatever we men are is due to women selecting men with those traits. Who men are is a result of female selection strategies, not male ones.”

Funny that, there was a study in NZ that concluded sub continental Indians (I know, there’s a huge variation) had the lowest muscle to body mass ratio of all ethnic groups. So much for arranged marriages….

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

There may be considerable environmental factors involved:

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hoellenhund2
7 years ago

Technology/social media/online dating/smartphones/etc has made the 80/20 more like 90/10 now, and down the road especially once VR-sex/sexdoll etc hits and men voluntarily take themselves out of the game it’ll be like 99/1. Hopefully the VR-sex/sexdoll stuff will be close enough to satisfy the Elliot Rogers’ but if not there will be some beta uprising nightmares as frustrated men take their frustration out on society. I doubt the math will add up like that. We can categorize male players in the mating market thus: – natural alphas (we can safely assume almost all of them are in the game) –… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@YaReally I know you’re taking a break and all but I have an odd FR and question. @All by all means answer if you can help. So tonight (I know this is odd but give a brother a break) I spent the evening with a former Nordic region pro basketball player I met at the local bar I hang at. I was looking for low key chilling, wound up with a foreign dude that wanted to run game so we made a super fast run to lower Greenville that I wasn’t planning. It was 1:40AM so we were up against… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

And when average female quality declines, the bottom 80% of men will become even less motivated to stay in the game.

70% of them are already fat, and most men have abandoned the game. I believe you mean “have become”.

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
7 years ago

@ Sun
I used to roll w/ some great wings before becoming chained to the plantation.It seems apparent to me, the problem lies in the subcoms of vested interest. Totaly going out to chill eliminates most of these. if you relax and use that DGAF vibe,out for a good time win win attitude, giving the vibe or subcom of vested interest is no prob. No wucking fories.
What say you?

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
7 years ago

@Quixotic – great stuff dude. Just reading your post was like reading a red pill/PUA case study of all the key elements…looks like you’re on the right track. How old are you? Guessing in your 30s if you’ve been divorced – so it’s a major step forward if you are already comfortable enough to go hang out with college kids at spring break and pull without feeling out of place or weird – pretty much the opposite of James Bond game. It’s spot on about the internals/abs stuff – I think we all need to realize that for ourselves. I’m… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

“It seems apparent to me, the problem lies in the subcoms of vested interest. Totaly going out to chill eliminates most of these. if you relax and use that DGAF vibe,out for a good time win win attitude, giving the vibe or subcom of vested interest is no prob” @Sun Wukong I agree, I find the same thing going on with me. As a wing you were working with your brain on automatic instead of getting your fore-brain involved and having your fore-brain (devil on your shoulder) interject AA. High five for going to Lower Greenville because that is where… Read more »

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
7 years ago

@ All A uh “concerned” family member gave me a printout from,The weekly standard,may 25th 2015.A dad’s life on fatherhood,manliness,and failure. While I don’t see the relevance as it pertains to me. Having been a husband and father in one mono ltr 35yrs.And as this outshines the givers third miserable relationship,and all the other immediate family members 3 and 4 time loser track records. But still being me being the only male that exhibits any male qualities,leaves me open to criticism. Excerpt;” There is a school of thought that views manliness-and even men themselves- as obsolete,or unnecessary,or perhaps even harmful.… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
7 years ago

@Sun

The opening was easy because you had no EGO invested in it…

There you go. That’s all you need to fix it.

Pinelero
Pinelero
7 years ago

@Rollo that cartoon strip was hilarious!

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
7 years ago

BTW Sentient – have successfully completed about 6 weeks of regular working out (3x week very light weights in gym, but getting better). Eating moderately cleaner and hardly drinking (esp when I’m not going out). Need to work in some cardio on off days. Already feeling better..no more morning stiffness and have lost a few pounds and paunch is mostly gone even though my eating habits haven’t changed much (except for making sure I take some extra whey protein after a workout). Just had my first workout injury though..did something bad to my lower back on the leg press. So… Read more »

thwack
thwack
7 years ago

Blaximus

I’m on my weekly 48 hour internet break, but..bruh, why so serious?
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Ain’t no thang, just doing some calibration on the artillery; move along folks, nothing to see here…

(If I was serious I’d be in handcuffs wearing an orange jumpsuit)

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@Hollen – Great analysis of how the “game” and entire SM changes based on evolving female strategies and male adaptation to them. One minor question: Do you believe that ‘natural alphas’ can benefit from game? I think it’s a skill any man can use to his advantage, no matter what his SMV is or his social status. In fact, as a former natural, I realize now how much of an impediment my naturalness was. My natural approach was really about how my ego investments happened to be congruous with female sexual selection strategies, but those same ego investments had me… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@Sun – Do you remember an FR from me a couple of months ago when out with my wing? I worked this 20 yr old hottie waitress for my wing and even number closed for him? Fyi, just as Ya predicted, my wing fucked it up. He didn’t understand she just wanted to fuck, lol… The insight for me was that my subcomms were so good because I was not trying to have her fuck me. You see, what this revealed is that I don’t see myself as entitled to 20yo, hot, petite pussy. I don’t seen myself as the… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
7 years ago

@Sun

@Sun

The opening was easy because you had no EGO invested in it…

There you go. That’s all you need to fix it.

almost word for word what i was going to write…lol

good luck!

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
7 years ago

Niko

Doesn’t it get tiring to hear every girl state NAWALT when they all do exactly the same shit and respond to exactly the same shit?

Suppose you were gathering data, would it get tiring to find that every data point fit into your hypothesis? Or would it be refreshing, invigorating, amusing?

having a bad day
having a bad day
7 years ago

@thwack re Blaximus at feb 25 at 1:04pm See? Look at you Blaximus, that pussyjuice is even drippin down on you (((shakin my head))) Why are you shufflin around hat in hand before you drop a truth bomb? thats your job; thats my job; black people got hung from trees for telling the truth; its 2016, why are you soft shoeing? ya know… i really didn’t get that feeling at ALL… all ((I)) saw was an essay on minimizing the effects of the FI while living your life…he just used his own experience (in this case race) as a way… Read more »

hoellenhund2
7 years ago

And when average female quality declines, the bottom 80% of men will become even less motivated to stay in the game. 70% of them are already fat, and most men have abandoned the game. I believe you mean “have become”. I mean both. The bottom 80% of men are already weakly motivated, but current trends indicate they will be demotivated even further. And it also looks assured that the obesity epidemic will worsen as well. It’s all interconnected. The obesity epidemic obviously didn’t appear out of thin air. It isn’t like millions of young women woke up one day and… Read more »

hoellenhund2
7 years ago

One minor question: Do you believe that ‘natural alphas’ can benefit from game It can help them understand the effects of their alpha attributes, and avoid potential mistakes. Many naturals apparently have no clue about the real reasons they attract women. Many of them are blue pill. YeReally was right to point out in another thread that many naturals give useless advice to betas about pick-up. They’ll think stuff like “wow I was really killing it last night at the club, so it was obviously a great idea to get a new haircut and that flashy new suit”. Yeah right.… Read more »

hoellenhund2
7 years ago

By the way, I don’t believe there’s such a creature as a “former natural”.

Shiva
Shiva
7 years ago

“By the way, I don’t believe there’s such a creature as a “former natural”.”

So many natural alphas becomes a beta when he is father of a daughter.
(beta fathers just go deeper into the shithole).

Some kind of switch just flips in them and all they want to do is protect their daughters, while sending their sons to war is Mehh!.

Rollo seems to have escaped this predicament.
Glenn did not.

Roy Hobbs
Roy Hobbs
7 years ago

All, I would very much like to express my gratitude for everything TRM is and contains. A mere two months ago, I could have been sitting next to you at a bar and- after more than a few- sincerely told you that I thought I was losing my mind. Long-ass elevator version (please forgive any misuse of RP acronyms… I have only recently started digesting the red pill: Early years (through my new RP lens): Oldest child/golden child/rule-follower. Mom was/is a controlling NPD who uses and manipulates whatever she needs to in order to get her way. Dad is tough… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@Hollen – Again, great analysis. But I have another question. Isn’t that same teenage girl responding to what I call the “Sex in the City” promise too? A new future has been presented to women that wasn’t available 50 years ago. It looks like this: Ride the cock carousel. Get a career. Men and family aren’t necessary for happiness. Men will be abundant forever. And today what’s happening is the FI is trying to make sure fat and ugly girls can have all those goodies too. So it’s not just that the more traditional lifestyle is a PITA (pain in… Read more »

stuffinbox
stuffinbox
7 years ago

@ Scribblerg Old FR ; I was invited to participate in an EMS MCI training event,by a female prof. that had subed for my class once. And to keep me from taking away any experience from her students I was plced in the position as staging officer shared w/ a young hb9,this was fun,The whole exercise was filmed by a local station,and I wound up on tv.I wasn’t aware of this filming and was suprised when my CO called to tell me some woman had called the station looking for me.He wouldn’t give out my # but got her name… Read more »

redlight
redlight
7 years ago

Male suicide rates are sometimes mentioned here

I looked up the CDC 2014 numbers and there is not an epidemic

White males are the most likely to die of suicide, and about 30 of 10,000 of them will die each decade, with the rate climbing in their late forties and 50s, and then declining. Their rate is about 3-4X non-white males and 3-4X females.

theasdgamer
7 years ago

Blax’s posts still hit it out of the park.

Re “tighter”:

Once a broad who has had kids gets an O, her tissues swell and fucking becomes like trudging through molasses. Lube makes it more fun. She may have enough natural lube at first, but then the surface area increases and more lube is needed if you want a fast cycle. An old broad can provide a lot of pressure.

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@Hollen – Re: “Former natural alpha”. I am socially dominant and women have always found me attractive. After my divorce at age 30, I used my natural abilities to some success with women but was always Blue Pill as shit as you said, in most ways. I did have a bit of an abundance mentality as result, and I never got friendzoned cuz i closed, fucked or didn’t and moved on. But I pedestalized women so much. I guess the “former” bit comes to play in the sense that I had good externals to validate my confidence back then and… Read more »

theasdgamer
7 years ago

Re ego investment:

You should always be less invested than any potential mate. This means that you have to be continually calibrating both your own investment and the investment of the women who are potential mates. If any woman has less investment than you do, avoid her. You need to keep enough options so that you don’t run into scarcity. Open a lot of women.

Follow my maxim: “Always be calibrating.” Calibrate the woman you’re currently with and calibrate your own investment in the woman. Run away if the investment differential isn’t in your favor.

See my post: https://theasdgamer.wordpress.com/2016/02/25/always-be-calibrating/

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@Roy Hobbs February 27th, 2016 at 9:35 am Great story, man. Congratulations on finding this place and welcome. Hoping the best for you. The best time to have found this place would have been 20 years ago. The next best time is two months ago. Lol. It is interesting you mention being ENTJ. And your story except for the blue pill part fits that personality type like a glove. And it seems like your girfriend’s intuitive (N) type is a good match (although would would work better with another opposing trait for balance in your relationship). Have you looked into… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@Asdgamer In regards to your always be calibrating blog essay, it reminded me of Chapter 51 in the Book of Pook called “Ooh La La”. “When you’re out socially, you want to be in the moment…enjoying yourself, having fun, relaxed. Not spergy or anal or negative or analyzing. You want to have your party animal hat on. However, when you’re with women, you need to pay a little attention to how they are feeling. Consider their feelings an entertaining show that you’re watching. You get to play with their feelings and watch their responses. It’s possible to get so mesmerized… Read more »

thwack
thwack
7 years ago

so, my question to you is…

‘WHY are you trying to pull that crab that’s climbing out, back into your pot? — HABD
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Blaximus’ responce is proof he knows thats not my function. Besides, whats a little good crab/bad crab among friends?

whatcountryyoufrom?

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
7 years ago

White males are the most likely to die of suicide, and about 30 of 10,000 of them will die each decade, with the rate climbing in their late forties and 50s, and then declining. Their rate is about 3-4X non-white males and 3-4X females.

Suicide rate for men being ground by the divorce industry is about 4x that of average man. So a white man being frivorced is 8x more likely to kill himself than his wife.

It’s his “privilege”…

YaReally
7 years ago

@quixotic <3 A big part of why guys idealize the James Bond method is that they are BORING PEOPLE lol They aren't really consciously aware of this thought process but their brain basically goes "ok look, we aren't fun or interesting…being interesting we can fix, we can just look at a bunch of interesting facts and learn some shit, we don't really have to leave our comfort zone for that…but being FUN is HARD, it means putting your ego on the line and risking people thinking you're lame, what if you goof around and you think it's funny but other… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
7 years ago

More gold from YaReally. Only one observation to add is that I’ve occasionally had the hot-girl-qualifying-herself-to-me thing on a smaller scale (like I’ll pass a shit test on text and she’ll send a naked pic of herself to me..). It’s a real mind-mess thing at first – it’s like “Wait? Is SHE trying to impress me with her sexuality? Because..maybe..she feels that’s the primary value she can offer to me and she’s trying to offer value to me?”. Or as I’ve started (very recently) experimenting with takeaways and push/pull on text (stuff like “Wait, you can’t [cook/dance/whatever]? That’s it! We… Read more »

YaReally
7 years ago

@scribblerg “@Sun – Do you remember an FR from me a couple of months ago when out with my wing? I worked this 20 yr old hottie waitress for my wing and even number closed for him? Fyi, just as Ya predicted, my wing fucked it up. He didn’t understand she just wanted to fuck, lol…” lol knew it. Like I say, guys can have girls throw themselves at them and still not be able to seal the deal because they have shitty game. Gotta see it in action over and over and see how surreal it is to fully… Read more »

YaReally
7 years ago

@Culum “It’s a real mind-mess thing at first – it’s like “Wait? Is SHE trying to impress me with her sexuality? Because..maybe..she feels that’s the primary value she can offer to me and she’s trying to offer value to me?”.” Yup, this. She knows instinctively what her value to you is. To the asexual chode she knows her value could be her intelligence or her driven passion in her retarded career. But to a guy who’s flipping the right attraction switches, she KNOWS her value is her pussy. “Or as I’ve started (very recently) experimenting with takeaways and push/pull on… Read more »

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