The Pareto Principle

Pareto

An interesting side discussion was started in what proved to be a very popular post thread for The War Brides of Europe, and rather than let it disappear beneath a thousand-plus comments I thought I’d pick up on an old post I’ve had in my drafts for a while now.

One of the foundational ideas of Red Pill awareness from the earliest PUA years has been the 80/20 concept – 80% of women want to have sex and / or pair off with the top 20% of men. This has been a fast and loosely defined in terms of subjective sexual market value (SMV) between men and women and the ratio of disparity between those valuations.

In intersexual terms, this 80/20 rule finds its roots in the economic theory known as the Pareto Principle: “80% of your sales come from 20% of your clients.” While I’m not sure the principle is directly translatable, it mirror the general rule of Hypergamy and women’s innate drive to optimize their sexual strategy with who they perceive as the top tier 20% (Alphas) men are fucking the 80% lion’s share of women. Many a despondent Beta picks up on the principle and uses this to justify his failures to connect with women.

I’m of the opinion that the 80/20 rule is often abused to justify men’s failures or successes with women (more often failure), however the fundamental notion is both observable and easily verifiable in-field as well as statistically. It is however important to keep in mind that the 80/20 rule as it applies to Hypergamy is often bastardized in its inverse. The presumption goes that if 80% of women want to have sex with the top 20% of men it should necessarily mean that the top 20% of men are fucking 80% of women. Many a despondent Beta picking up on this dynamic will use this assumption to disqualify himself from Game or give up in futility. More on this later.

As a point of reference, it’s important to remember that Hypergamy doesn’t seek its own level with regard to SMV comparisons. Rather, Hypergamy is always seeking a socio-sexual pairing that is a ‘better than’ exchange for a woman’s own, realistically comparative, SMV. And as I’ve mentioned previously, Hypergamy is always pragmatic about establishing that ‘better than’ SMV exchange with men’s.

While the Red Pill’s expanded definition of Hypergamy encompasses far more than just ‘marrying up‘, the 80/20 sexual selection process is simple enough that even Aunt Giggles in her heyday could illustrate it:

hypergamy-in-a-pic

As you might guess the fundaments of basic Hypergamy are easy to understand, so the tendency is to oversimplify the complexities that really define Hypergamy and how the 80/20 basics play out. And lastly, it’s important to bear in mind the dual nature of women’s Hypergamous filtering, impulses and attendant emotional investments – the 80/20 dynamic applies to both the Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks aspects of Hypergamy, however the characteristics that would optimize the former tend to come at the expense of the latter (and vice versa).

All that said, the 80/20 principle is fairly simple; a majority of women across the broadest SMV spectrum (80%) will always want for a ‘better than’ pairing (both sexual and provisional) than their own comparative SMV.

If the underlying mechanics of Hypergamy-inspired desire were only about a 1 or 2 step difference in SMV the distribution ratio wouldn’t be 80/20. As sophomoric as it is the above graph is relatively accurate: an SMV 3 woman is desirous of an SMV 8 or above man as representative of a Hypergamously optimal pairing (sex and/or provisioning).

For the 80/20 rule to hold true we’re looking at a comparative difference of 5 steps in SMV. Now, granted, this is on the extreme end of the spectrum, and it should also be noted that SMV is also a question of context and based on a woman’s ‘filtering’ perception of a man’s SMV being legitimate. However, this doesn’t alter the ‘better than’ merited pragmatism of Hypergamy.

Whether or not a woman is actually capable of this optimization isn’t relative to understanding the principle. Indeed, with the expansion of instant communication, social emphasis of women’s empowerment and esteem, and the influence social media exercises over the female ego, an SMV 3 woman of today might likely believe she is in fact deserving of a man 5 steps above her own (a good example). But for purposes of understanding how the Pareto principle applies to intersexual dynamics we must focus on the latent purposes for it to exist.

Common Errors

The easiest (or most convenient) mistake to make about this dynamic is to presume that the consolidation of Hypergamy (locking down a man 5 to 1 steps higher in SMV in monogamy) defines the 80/20 rule. Remember, this principle is about desire and women’s expected (entitled?) satisfaction of it, not the actual consolidation (LTR) of that Hypergamous ideal.

In the prior thread the conversation centered on the mistaken idea that the Pareto Principle is not universal or is only observed in some systems, but not in human sexuality. To which I’d argue that in no other system is this principle more evident than intersexual dynamics – and not just among humans but countless other species. It’s unflattering to the disguise in which the Feminine Imperative would put it in, but, whether realizable or not, the 80/20 rule practically defines female desire.

The second mistake it to presume the inverse: that 20% of men actually get 80% of women. Usually this gets trotted out as an equal-for-equal argument that presumes, again, that desire should necessarily translate into consolidation. Betas and lower SMV men do get laid and pair off with women for any number of reasons, but the principle isn’t about who’s actually fucking who. Rather, it’s about who has more access to sexually available women based on their SMV valuation. Nice Guys may finish last, but they do finish eventually – whether they finish ‘well’ is a thought for another post.

A third common mistake, made mostly by women, presumes the goal-state outcome of intersexual dynamics should be to arrive at a monogamous state. This is the consolidation of a female sexual strategy, and because we live in a feminine-primary social order, that committed, monogamous end to women’s sexual strategy is perceived as the socially “correct” goal. At no point is men’s imperative interests (sexual or life-rewarding) a priority, if it’s considered at all, in the Hypergamous equation. In the absence (or disregard) of men’s conflicting interests the Feminine Imperative substitutes what best fits its own interests as the socially ‘appropriate’ goals for men. Then it qualifies ‘manhood’ according to its proxy interests for men, so that any man not measuring up to them are not considered truly ‘men’ by its definition.

Women’s innate Hypergamous nature ensures a distributive model for desire that aligns with the Pareto Principle – even if the overall result of women settling for less than optimal Hypergamy appears to contradict it. Again, it’s important to remember that women’s Hypergamous desires are often not reflected by the outcome of those desires.

Want is not have

The concept that a woman’s Hypergamous imperative wouldn’t be a mutual goal between the sexes is an alien thought to most women.  Much in the same way that men idealistically want to believe women mutually share their concept of love for love’s sake (and free from the conditions of their Burden of Performance), women are mistaken in believing men’s sexual strategy is synonymous with the female strategy and shares a mutual end. By way of feminine solipsism and a social order that only considers women’s imperatives as legitimate, collective feminine social consciousness rarely gives men’s imperatives an afterthought – and then only when they become problematic to the Feminine Imperative.

Women subconsciously reinforce the feminine-correct goal state of LTR monogamy by a continuous, autonomous, expectation of its fulfillment – even when that fulfillment creates cognitive dissonance with their short term vs. long term sexual strategy. It’s part of women’s Hypergamous firmware to do so because it ensures (or tries to) their subconscious need for parental investment and long term security / provisioning.

What women necessarily must disregard is that their own sexual strategy choices are determined by the want to pair with a mate who exceeds her own SMV. Thus, the Pareto principle applies.

In Open Hypergamy I made mention that there is a social transitioning taking place among women where revealing the uglier side of Hypergamy is becoming more acceptable. The degree of comfort with which women have in revealing the machinations of Hypergamy is proportional to their capacity to play the 80/20 game well enough to consolidate on a 20th percentile man (or his closest approximation). For women still uncomfortable with openly embracing the uglier side of Hypergamy concealing the truth about the 80/20 becomes a practical priority. You will find in the future that many of the conflicts you read between Strong Independent Women® of differing social or moral perspectives will be based in their degree of comfort in openly relating the machinations of Hypergamy.

Women for whom keeping the 80/20 rule concealed from men’s popular consciousness (women with less capacity to compete intrasexually) can ill afford to have men aware of their own SMV and how it affects their long term sexual strategy. High value Red Pill aware men have the leisure to exploit Hypergamy and low value Red Pill men aware of their Hypergamous role risk denying women of the resources to provision them in the long term.

The Male Side of the Principle

Way back in the Peak Hypergamy post Hollenhund got me thinking about how the Hypergamous  aspect of the Pareto Principle can become men’s primary source of frustration and apathy:

I have to COMPLETELY OVERCOME all my handicaps to the point where I am BETTER than 80% of men at least.

I have to have my shit together better than the vast majority of men. I’m having a hard enough time just getting to be AVERAGE, but what I need to do in order to have any kind of sex life and get ANY of my sexual needs met AT ALL is be better than the vast majority of guys out there.

So, in other words, you’ll end up killing yourself anyway, but you’ll do it the slow way, by making sure you’ll end up an exhausted wretch with an ulcer, high blood pressure and similar health problems? Because that’s what you’re basically saying there.

I tend to think of how men confront the challenge of their performance burden is a parallel to their understanding of the 80/20 rule. On some level of consciousness men either possess some evolved instinct for it, or they develop some learned understanding of their own role in relation to how the 80/20 dynamic applies to them.

I think much of what frustrates men about assessing their own SMV in a Blue Pill mindset comes from an instinctual understanding of the 80/20 rule and reconciling it with what they’re being socialized to believe women ought to evaluate them for. Before any Game, before any Red Pill awareness, men’s first deductive impression is to classify themselves into SMV respective “leagues“, and women who would or wouldn’t be sexually accessible according to those leagues.

Ironically, even men’s Blue Pill league evaluations fail to account for women’s 1-5 SMV step over evaluation of their own SMV. The equalist agenda teaches men that their leagues should be based on a like-for-like parallel, when Hypergamy really demands men’s SMV be well above that of women.

This of course gets distorted once men begin to become Red Pill aware and over-exaggerate the abstract concept of Alpha and how it applies to themselves. In a way they fall victim to believing they must become an Alpha parody in order to measure up to women’s apex fallacy impression of a top 20% man.

Needless to say Red Pill awareness and applied Game will reveal the truth about the 80/20 rule. Initially it seems like a horribly unjust set of conditions for an ‘average’ man, but the rule is still based on the fundamental biological and psychological underpinnings of Hypergamy, and therefore open to exploits for a Red Pill aware man.

Quality Assurances

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In the above example (h/t Young Patriarch) we can see the comparison between a naturalistic, Hypergamous socio-sexual order contrasted with an idealized socio-sexual structure. The Sexual Freedom model mirrors the 80/20 rule, while the Regulated model is representative of an idealized structure designed with the intent to evenly justify pairings according to a distributive monogamy.

As I mentioned earlier, men have an instinctual understanding about how the 80/20 Pareto Principle applies to women’s Hypergamy. And while Game is a modern contingency for it I would argue that the cross-culture concept of a monogamous marriage between men and women was a broader contingency designed not just to counter women’s Pareto-centered sexual strategy, but to ensure a greater majority of (lesser SMV) men had the opportunity to pass on their genetic heritage.

I could point out that the Regulated model above is very representative of an egalitarian model for monogamy based again on the like-for-like presumption, but Hypergamy being what it naturally is will always confound that ideal. However, I have to also point out that the Regulated ideal has always been a convenient selling tool to keep both men and women ignorant of the uglier, visceral nature of the Hypergamous sexual marketplace.

Marriage as a social adaptation serves (or served) as a negotiated buffer against Hypergamy, but it also serves as a perceived buffer against men’s Burden of Performance that would otherwise necessitate the constant super-achievement that Hollenhund describes above. As a social dynamic marriage was a Beta breeding insurance policy that conveniently enough took root about the time human beings began to adopt a largely agrarian lifestyle.

Today equalism and the fantasy of an idealized, mutually beneficial monogamy based on the Old Set of Books is little more than a contingent workaround for the 80/20 rule reality. As this idealism decays and is replaced by either Red Pill awareness or men learning the harsh realities of modern marriage liability the more we will see a shift away from the Regulated model in favor of a now openly Hypergamous model.

Recently NY Mag had yet another feminist triumphalism article in the same vein as the Atlantic’s End of Men article (apparently 6 years is the period in which the femosphere believes popular awareness of its bullshit memes end). However there was this one salient point that illustrates this shift in monogamy:

In 2009, the proportion of American women who were married dropped below 50 percent. In other words, for the first time in American history, single women (including those who were never married, widowed, divorced, or separated) outnumbered married women. Perhaps even more strikingly, the number of adults younger than 34 who had never married was up to 46 percent, rising 12 percentage points in less than a decade. For women under 30, the likelihood of being married has become astonishingly small: Today, only around 20 percent of Americans are wed by age 29, compared to the nearly 60 percent in 1960.

In the old order of monogamy the mutually beneficial exchange centered on quality assurances, either via polygamy (sexual assurances) or monogamy (provisonal assurances) in a Beta context. These assurances, having been more or less compensated for by men’s willing or unwilling assistance via social and legislative means, are no longer an incentive for women to marry or commit to a long term monogamy, and this is evidenced in almost a decade of statistics that show this decline.

A Wife for Every Beta

In Christian Dread I made mention of Nick Krausers’ appearance on London Real. For a bit more elaboration on this principle cue the video to 5:00 and watch until about 8:33.

A wife for every Beta is the old order negotiated social contract function of committed monogamy. In a state of nature where 80% of men can never be assured of a genetic legacy, most men have no incentive to participate in an organized society. What the Regulated model of sexuality does (albeit inefficiently) is gives Beta males the incentive to cooperate in larger society by establishing monogamy as the predominant social order. And then, as Krauser mentions these societies tend to outperform those based on a Hypergamous, naturalistic socio-sexual structure.

As mentioned this arrangement was based on an exchange of long term security for women for assurances of sexual access and ultimately a genetic legacy. Essentially it was a negotiated compromise of the desire for the Alpha Fucks aspect of Hypergamy for the assurances of a long term Beta Bucks aspect of Hypergamy. By today’s socio-sexual standard this old order arrangement is supplanted with the relatively assured guarantee of satisfying both aspects of Hypergamy at different phases of a woman’s maturity in life. Thus we see the Epiphany Phase, Alpha Widowhood and every variety of schema I outline in Preventive Medicine.

The new, post-sexual revolution order is a model ostensibly based on ‘sexual freedom’, but what this really represents is a return to that naturalistic sexual order based on pre-agrarian, evolutionarily incentivized Hypergamy. We revert back to an open acceptance of the 80/20 realities that, if we’re honest, always informed even a Regulated socio-sexual model of monogamy.

In the new era of Open Hypergamy, women’s only necessitated compromise of her sexual strategy depends on her exaggerated self-impression of her SMV measured against her capacity to lock down an optimal male. This also explains the endless push to create self-confident, self-important ‘independent’ women. Women’s naturalistic predilection for the 80/20 Pareto Principle of sexual selection virtually assures their long term isolation – thus the need for a self-created impression of women’s self-sufficiency.

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Liz
Liz
7 years ago

“See this for perspective on that.
http://therationalmale.com/2013/06/20/smv-ratios-attachment/

I hadn’t read that article yet, thanks for the link.
(the above is my outer voice, my inside voice after reading that says: ouch)

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

“Ya know, in hindsight I probably should’ve left the Married Red Pill subredd off my linking this week. 80/20 Hypergamy is a real tough truth to swallow once you’re locked into a marriage you committed to while you were Blue Pill 5-10 or more years ago.” You couldn’t have known. The red pill awareness is a bitter pill. And just like Kryptokate doesn’t know how it feels as a male to go pump iron and actually feel Arnold’s “pump”, nor does a woman know how it feels to be a masculine male pumped on testoterone, so is it hard for… Read more »

betathrowaway
betathrowaway
7 years ago

@Rollo,

Nope, you were right to put it on MRP. You cannot fix a problem if you don’t understand it properly.

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago

Okay. I’m going to go racial here for a minute, but only to try and make a universal point. Bear with me guys. The whole ” looking to society for approval thing ” is a tricky way to live life. As a black man in the U.S., I’m very much aware of societal disapproval just based on my skin color. Then there’s the ” lower IQ ‘ meme that follows me around like a dog looking for food. Add to that a wide array of insults and falsehoods… what you wind up with is societal disapproval that can be crushing… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Put this link on another thread, but thought I’d put it here too. Consensual “dirty dancing” landed an officer in jail: http://www.jqpublicblog.com/how-to-destroy-a-fellow-airman-in-four-words-the/ “The evidence that condemned Turpiano was weak. The witnesses whose testimony secured his conviction were impeached on the stand. This “dirty dancing” claim made by R.H. was not only inconsistent, but refuted by another witness. According to R.H.’s own statements, the alleged assault and battery occurred in a crowded dance club with dozens of eyewitnesses, a uniformed police officer, and bouncers present . R.H. was surrounded by her closest friends and not one of them corroborated her testimony.… Read more »

Dutchman
Dutchman
7 years ago

“true…but in my case, i was able to ‘up my alpha’ enough to create an alpha widow of my wife (with ME as the alpha…lol)…”

Can she really be an alpha widow if you’re still with her? lol

Dutchman
Dutchman
7 years ago

Emily are you still blue balling that poor dude?

Morpheus
7 years ago
Reply to  Dutchman

Liz,

Just curious, same Liz from JFG?

Craiger247
Craiger247
7 years ago

@Emily I know you didn’t write that, but that is my point about women. They stay delusional their entire life, then blame men for everything, and pretend that women didn’t create that bitterness in men. Ever notice women are never “bitter”, but that label is always put on a man when God forbid (pun intended) he realizes all he’s been told courtesy of the FI/BP conditioning was a lie, and he reacts in rage? Regardless, you come on here obviously for attention, not to learn. You love to stir the pot, and it does work for you, but stop feigning… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

Ok, Rollo I’ve heard you say exactly that before. As far as your marriage, I think it is important to have kept masculine Frame, MPO and dominance by default. I think intent matters in “There is NO Alpha with a side of Beta”. No man should celebrate his Beta in an Athol Kay fashion (which leads to negotiated desire). The FI and the women at MMSL blog celebrate the Beta and the dominance that Betatization gives them. Instead within and Alpha Frame, the Beta should be shrugged off as No Big Deal. It is a side effect of LT marriage.… Read more »

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

Yes, it is I in frog helmet.
Hi Morpheus! 🙂

Morpheus
7 years ago
Reply to  Liz

Good to see you around Liz, always enjoyed your commentary. I took a break from sphere stuff for awhile as real life got complicated. Thinking about either reviving JFG or starting my own solo thing

Andy
Andy
7 years ago

“”What BluePillProfessor was getting at is that not everything is fixable.”

Limiting belief IMO. If there’s something wrong with your woman, find a new one. If you’re not coming from that frame you won’t fix the marriage anyway. “Fix The Glitch” if you will.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
7 years ago

I’ll cosign what Blaximus wrote. but only so he’ll feel validated…

Andy
Andy
7 years ago

“Instead within and Alpha Frame, the Beta should be shrugged off as No Big Deal. It is a side effect of LT marriage. It is not able to be eliminated entirely without possible dire consequences in a LT marriage

There’s your problem. You can’t be worried about the marriage. Outcome Independence man.

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago
SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@Liz “I hadn’t read that article yet, thanks for the link. (the above is my outer voice, my inside voice after reading that says: ouch)” Explain yourself there Liz. I find it realistic and just descriptive. And realistic. I don’t find it ouchy these days (27 years down the LTR road). I don’t think it is by any means a call for a man to settle for lower than he can get in a LTR. (Said from my perspective of my wife being +2 to +3 to my SMV. I brought many other assets to the table with a high… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

Andy

“There’s your problem. You can’t be worried about the marriage. Outcome Independence man.”

Not my problem Andy (Can’t say as much for other men). I agree with the second and third sentences implicitly.

redlight
redlight
7 years ago

… low value Red Pill men aware of their Hypergamous role risk denying women of the resources to provision them in the long term

Regarding this phrase that Married RedPill had trouble understanding, is it the men who risk? Risk seems the wrong verb, or are the men RedPill aware but unaware of their low value?

Regarding Blue Prof book, good read. Would have liked more examples everywhere, more details on the main event and examples on how to handle it, and move the Christian chapter to an appendix. There is no better book on the subject.

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

“Limiting belief IMO. If there’s something wrong with your woman, find a new one.”

Didn’t see that one Andy. Also cosign.

There is not much wrong with my woman except outside influences of the FI. (i.e. I’ve not seen a better one or one that I’d rather get with in the last 27 years).

Most of my problem was lack of mastery in the past. And I fixed a lot of that. Finding a new one was not the answer to the problem.

(Me pointing this out just for frame of reference about my comments.)

Andy
Andy
7 years ago

Okay so:

“Not every wife is going to give up her dominant status and the attendant power it gives her once she’s had it for a decade.”

AND

“It is not able to be eliminated entirely without possible dire consequences in a LT marriage that did not have that Alpha Frame from the beginning and when Dominance was abdicated for a decade.”

AND

“”What BluePillProfessor was getting at is that not everything is fixable.”

AND?

“I agree with the second and third sentences implicitly.”

Seems like you’re contradicting yourself.

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

“I don’t believe there is anything wrong with marriage and raising a family. But make no mistake about it, it is a man’s responsibility to understand how to navigate those waters, and no one else ( short of some friends and family ) should have an opinion that you should value or take one way or another.” I certainly approve entirely. No comments of mine should ever be misconstrued of valuing marriage today for a single man. When you are in a marriage and trying to improve your situation (if it is not right with you), what you are trying… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@ Andy I’m pointing out that I have the desire and the ability to have fixed me and my marriage. I’m pointing out that there is a Pareto Distribution going on there and Athol Kay and BluePillProfessor are pointing out that other men need to settle or compromise (20% might get back to a desire sex marriage after settling into Blue Pill hell or abdicating MPO, Frame and Dominance, the other 80%, well good luck with that). (Athol Kay to make money and support his livelihood. BluePillProfessor to get back to desire sex in marriage (he did) and teach other… Read more »

Agent P
Agent P
7 years ago

boy wins jackpot, FI objects.
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/im-boiling-inside-sixteen-year-old-wins-online-contest-living-with-a-porn-star-for-one-month

I wonder if this will make him a Corey Worthington

redlight
redlight
7 years ago

@Rollo

If you are saying women risk men doing this, then your noun-verb structure in the phrase is wrong

KryptoKate
KryptoKate
7 years ago

@ IAS My comment about getting more credit for exercise because I don’t enjoy it was tongue in cheek. Just trying to point out how people respect and admire certain types of “work” or effort but not others, and often times it’s really just self-serving to consider the efforts one makes to be valuable or good while the efforts of others are to be dismissed or ridiculed. Guys who lift weights have actually long been ridiculed for being too concerned with appearance, rather than endurance or health or whatever else. So someone who runs long distance or practices martial arts… Read more »

redlight
redlight
7 years ago

For example

low value Red Pill men aware of their Hypergamous role risk denying women of the resources to provision them in the long term

to

women risk that low value Red Pill men aware of their Hypergamous role will deny them of long term provisioning resources

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

@Rollo: “. . . give women free reign to their sexual strategy while expecting them to self-police it by instituting their own Regulated model.”

And the problem is, that the naturally evolved regulator of the FI is, wait for it, wait for it . . . the MI!

Jeremy
7 years ago

@Kate Everything else I said was not intended to be about exercising in general but specifically about weightlifting. Other forms of exercise won’t make one’s body look nearly as good…some in fact might make it look worse. It is specifically lifting that is tied to vanity IMO. To feel good and get the most endorphins, long distance running or cycling or enjoying something outdoors or a team sport are all probably preferable. Weight-lifting is fundamentally a vanity pursuit, at least it it goes beyond basic strength training. Wrong, just wrong. Your muscle/fat ratios have significant affects on your body’s overall… Read more »

Diesel
Diesel
7 years ago

Would love to see more on this topic. Very interesting to see how the feminine imperative affects things on a macro level. I’ve often thought that we live in a “fuck you” society compared to what I see in movies of the past, and I wonder if it’s linked to males switching their priorities to “up the alpha” in response to the feral women (or normal women before they were tamed?) of today. Enjoyed the post a lot, along with Intersexual Hierarchies series. I often look back fondly at the 1950s and it seems the society (in America at least)… Read more »

fleezer
fleezer
7 years ago

“but it is interesting to note that the time for this reproductive free-for-all coincides with the Younger Dryas cataclysm” Gobekli Tepe is some CRAZY shit. they are stalling the dig on purpose because everyone is terrified of what they’ll find buried there from ten thousand years ago before any high culture was supposed to have existed. my favorite theory is that the white guys that painted in the caves in france during the ice age wandered east on a business trip, bumped into the neanderthals and interbred with their women around the caucasus. the new hybrid humans were smart as… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
7 years ago

Kryptonite Geisha Kate Attention Whore

Mee! Look at me! MeMeMeMeeeeee…

tl;dr edited for real content. Because her solipsism won’t allow her to admit an error, ever, which relegates her to “cheap attention whore” status.

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago

Okay. I’m gonna lift extra heavy, so I can sweat and ache and hurt and build muscle, so some chick will acknowledge my hard work by…what?

I can’t with Kate’s projection(s).

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
7 years ago

Rollo On a social scope what we’ve done in making women’s sexual strategy the social imperative is give women free reign to their sexual strategy while expecting them to self-police it by instituting their own Regulated model. This is pretty much what YaReally is saying from the field: 80/20 is heading for 90/10. Next up: VR porn plus some more powerful social media app. Electronic soma for both sexes. Any father can give a great gift to his daughter(s) by keeping them far away from social media until they are 18. Facebook, tumblr, etc. all are chick crack, and the… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@Kate I agree with Jeremy. I ran moderate distances when younger regularly. The endorphins were good. These days I lift and rarely run. I do get a great endorphin rush from lifting weights and it is not imaginary. In fact I go lift before a social party so I can feel good and confident and not drink alcohol to much. The endorphins carry me for 4-5 hours and then I hit some energy drinks. It is often that I am highly motivated to lift weights or go golfing (which often turns out to be a peak experiences and is mentally… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
7 years ago

Oh, forgot to mention – the millennial bar I was in a couple of weeks back, where a barmaid mirrored my smirk then looked confused for the next hour? There were a couple of hipsters sneaking e-cig puff sitting nearby. No big deal for me, I was a bartender in the Marlboro Man era.

What hits me right now: the body language of the hipster sneaking an e-cig hit is almost the same as the body langage of a 30-something woman on a “date” sneaking a peek at her phone. Both must involve dopamine spikes…

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
7 years ago

Would you rather fuck a fat drunken dad bod, or a (within reason) muscled dude who was not so fat and had a clear mind?

Uh-oh. Interesting point to bring up. Has Mark MInter been gaining weight? Is that why little Katie’s so hungry for attention?

fleezer
fleezer
7 years ago

“How many hot 19 year olds do you know?”

over fifty. they put every hot 25 year old I know to shame. youth is the THING. so firm and so soft at the same time. cannot be faked. and then it disappears before she ever walks into a bar.

get it early and often, gentlemen, for the THING most treasured since people were people is fleeting

fleezer
fleezer
7 years ago

” someone who runs long distance”

terrible for the body, limited carry over benefit aside from being able to run long distances. over 70% chance runners get hurt every year they run.

“It is specifically lifting that is tied to vanity ”

it is lifting that is tied to the best cardiovascular, cellular, hormone and overall human body adaptation benefits of any studied activity.

lift. eat. fuck. grow. original 5/3/1 is the gospel of our times

Liz
Liz
7 years ago

I miss JFG, Morpheus. I don’t post regularly here (it’s more a male space, I don’t feel unwelcome but I do respect it as a male space). I’m mostly at Swithy’s these days. 🙂

SJF: “Explain yourself there Liz. I find it realistic and just descriptive. And realistic. I don’t find it ouchy these days (27 years down the LTR road).”

Sometimes even if I can intellectualize and process how the sausage is made, and even accept it, it’s hard to remove my own ego enough for it not to smart at least a little.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@fleezer terrible for the body, limited carry over benefit aside from being able to run long distances. over 70% chance runners get hurt every year they run. Not sure where you’re getting that. I’ve never suffered an injury from running, not to mention damn near every sport worth playing involves running in some form or another. Endurance from running also transfers just fine in to hiking and even helps a bit with climbing where you should be using leg strength and endurance to do most of the work. Lifting can injure you done wrong, running can injure you done wrong,… Read more »

Andy
Andy
7 years ago

“I’m pointing out that there is a Pareto Distribution going on there and Athol Kay and BluePillProfessor are pointing out that other men need to settle or compromise (20% might get back to a desire sex marriage”

I don’t agree. I think anyone can turn it around. I don’t see the Pareto distribution as a law. It’s just our current reality.

betathrowaway
betathrowaway
7 years ago

@Sun,
The hate for running here is, IMO, an overreaction to some mainstream beliefs that running is much better than lifting.
Sprint intervals are where it’s at.
Running more than 3-5 miles at a time is where you really start losing a lot for little gain. You start eating muscle and wearing down your joints, especially if you are big.
A person lifting and running spring intervals is going to optimize his/her health in most cases.

AvidReader
AvidReader
7 years ago

@snowden: “I read that in Russia the man gets automatic custody of the children in marriage.” I grew up in Russia and can assure you it is total bullshit. It somewhat amuses me to read on forums messages from hopeful men in search of a “promised land” somewhere in Eastern Europe … well, hate to break it to you, Russian women maybe more feminine in their appearance than modern American women, but they are not exempt from all the destructive trends of female biology. Divorce rate is higher in Russia than in US and fathers have far less rights there.… Read more »

fleezer
fleezer
7 years ago

“Not sure where you’re getting that” self report runners survey 2015 I think. self report usually underreport so the number is probably higher. “Lifting can injure you done wrong” yes. so concentrate and do it right everytime. I trained for six years before I attempted heavy compound lifts. lifting should be a 10-20 year progression plan. men are capable of this kind of forward thinking/planning. ” really not sure why you’d single out running.” because lots of people do it. and the damage they do to their bodies doesn’t show up until a decade later. and there are much more… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@betathrowaway

Running more than 3-5 miles at a time is where you really start losing a lot for little gain.

That depends entirely on conditioning and diet. If you’re not consuming adequate calories then yes you’ll burn muscle. I can safely say I’ve never had an issue with muscle weight disappearing, and my usual run is around 5k. Now if you want to get in to marathon lengths then yeah you’re gonna have some really rough burn on the body no matter what, hence the reason I don’t do it and have never felt the temptation to do so.

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@Andy – I actually agree with both you and SJF in a way, but I think you need to confront a reality. While I actually don’t agree at all with applying a Pareto distribution or theory to this subject (but have been too busy to bother with objecting), the point that women aim up is crucial and that we are in a sexual tournament in which only some top percentage get all the gains. Look at the science, a large percentage of men won’t get to reproduce. Playing a game where there are winners means there must be losers. And… Read more »

Roy Hobbs
Roy Hobbs
7 years ago

@sun @betathrow

Lifting and cardio (running) together seem- from my personal experience and just general logic- to highly compliment each other… Even to the point of being a multiplier for the other.

Since first stumbling upon TRM 6 weeks ago, I’ve done both 3-6 times a week. Even with the muscle mass gain, I’m still down about 15 lbs and I’m suddenly getting way more IOIs than I’ve seen in years (although, to be fair, I might not have seen them as such before reading this site…).

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@Andy “I don’t agree. I think anyone can turn it around. I don’t see the Pareto distribution as a law. It’s just our current reality.” I applaud your optimism and raise a toast to being in the top 20%. Striving to be in the top 20% is admirable and reachable in my mind. Any one can do it. 80% can’t. @ScribblerG “Put another way – what makes you think SJF can actually do better than his current wife? But what is true, of course, is that we can improve our position on all of this with game and Red Pill… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago

Guys, I need your help. I’m serious. I realize I may just be the absolute densest man here in the comments, but as my bro Scrib says above, all men won’t reproduce. Okay, that sounds reasonable. But, it may be anecdotal, I see guys ” reproducing ” all the time, who would be considered in the bottom of the bottom 80%. Just in my line of work I have coworkers who can barely function at all having kid(s)….plural. I get that they are not reproducing with pageant winning biotches, but still. Over the past few posts I have been taking… Read more »

Andy
Andy
7 years ago

“Playing a game where there are winners means there must be losers.” Yeah, but if 40% of guys had game there’d just be a more even distribution of vag. If a chick is into you, she’s into you. You don’t have your SMV percentile tattoed on your forehead. So my point is that in the past hypergamy ensured that only ~20% of guys were attractive. But evolution never expected us to reverse engineer attraction to the point where anyone could learn game. (Or maybe it DID?). Lol. I’m not saying everyone will, but my point is that a chick won’t… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago

Old Man workout philosophy: At 54 going on 55, I have to lift fairly heavy to keep muscle mass. It tries to vanish with age and at some point, unless I choose chemical enhancement, I will have to concede some measure of loss, being that I can’t spend 3-4 hours a day working out and eating protein. At 220 pounds, I need to bench 250 to maintain strength ( and so that I can pull my ass out of holes…if I fall in ). My shoulders are not happy with this arrangement at all. Upper body strength is not a… Read more »

Andy
Andy
7 years ago

In short… Hypergamy is hackable.

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@Blaximus The guys at work are perceiving on their own minds for multiple reasons and multiple variable inputs that the so called hot chick is out of their league. You are more discriminant. They aren’t. So it is perceptions and social conventions. I’m not sure Scarlett Johansen in her multiple iterations on screen in movies really floats my boat. But she is perceived as a HB. So it is perception, not reality that they have illusions made of. Call it “they are making shit up”. I was watching a video of infield of Mystery yesterday and was intrigued by his… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

“So my point is that in the past hypergamy ensured that only ~20% of guys were attractive.” Not that ~20% of guys were attractive. THE TOP 20% of a Cohort were most desired. “…my point is that a chick won’t care what percentile you are if she’s obsessed with you.” Right, but still has nothing to do with 80/20. In 80/20 a lot of guys with game will move the goalposts. Remember YaReally saying that he only had to be better by .01% than the other guy in the set? And in the video I watched yesterday, Mystery was always… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago

@ SJF ” But then your comment about bottom 80% of men reproducing is totally silly. Ref. the intro youtube video to Idiocracy. It is really that easy. It is not about the ability to reproduce in modern society. Even when women try hard to not get pregnant a lot still do. It would not be hard to understand that some loser at your work could get your Scar Jo look-alike pregnant at work by showing her desire and her being thirsty. This thing about the Pareto Principle has nothing to do with the bottom 80% men not reproducing. Nothing… Read more »

betathrowaway
betathrowaway
7 years ago

@blaximus

I think you are assuming that those of us who disfavor long runs think all cardio is bad.
High intensity cardio (sprints, others mentioned HIIT on bikes or ellipticals) are very good options.
And you are right on the stretching.

The 80/20 rule is about attraction, not procreation.

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago

@ Andy

” In short… Hypergamy is hackable. ”

Ohhhh, you bet your ass it is.

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@Blaximus

“I’m a bit butthurt that chicks get so much control over how men perceive themselves and rank themselves. I think that’s my basic sticking point. I mean, these are CHICKS we’re talking about here! They are highly susceptible to all manner of Jedi mind tricks.”

Remember when Rollo said that he pretty much covered everything once?

Well:

http://therationalmale.com/2012/01/05/a-league-of-your-own/

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago

@ betathrowaway I’m a huge fan of HIIT. I was a sprinter in high school and college. My main winter cardio tool is an elliptical. I get that cardio is in different forms. Long runs can indeed be intense. I’m prone to joint issues with longer running, but it is still valuable ( in moderation for me ) none the less. I was just stressing that cardio is important to overall health long term. Resistance training for men is equally important, imo. Lol, and I get the 80/20 being about attraction. I was just sayin’ that I witness many dudes… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago

@ SJF

Thanks for the link. I need some refreshers. I’m 3 paragraphs in and it’s starting to come back to me.

The memory is the first thing to go. I forget what the second is.

Blaximus
Blaximus
7 years ago

Retroactive thanks Rollo…. ” The concept of leagues is just one of these doctrines. Your self-doubt about your worthiness of a woman’s intimacy stems from a preconditioned idea that ‘you’re out of her league’. The booster club optimist idea that “if you think you can’t, you’re right” is true, and boundless enthusiasm may overcome some obstacles, but to address the source of the disease it’s more important to ask yourself why you’ve been taught to think you can’t. A lot of approach anxiety comes from your own self-impression – Am I smooth, hot, affluent, funny, confident, interesting, decisive, well-dressed enough… Read more »

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

“over fifty”
I admit, I died laughing.

Oh my poor sagging skin :*(

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@SJF – If one takes Stirner seriously, then we should all return to a Hobbesian state of nature because that’s the only situation where we are truly “free”. Many an anarchist and white separatist man-child are hung up on Stirner. He was quite revolutionary for his time, and I always appreciate one who rejects Nauturalism and Natural Law in particular. In fact, “Natural Law” is nonsense on stilts – but that doesn’t make Stirner’s worldview any more relevant. His ideas are interesting, but I say his thinking is a perfect example of futility of absolutist thinking run amok in philosophy.… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

“What does Krauser try to justify with it? I’m not even sure, but I know this……” Just like Krauser, I reminisce on wonderful thoughts I had in my undergraduate university years. Like I said I don’t know much about philosophy other than it engages my intellect in general.. And I threw it out there for you that can put it in perspective. Perhaps Krauser is just drawing a target around an arrow to amplify his ideas of mental point of origin and Randian ideas about game ego investment. I thrive on ego investments. And drawing targets around where my arrow… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@ Blaximus This idea that guys get to procreate when they are the bottom 80% or nothing special is quite divorced from the Pareto Principle of women’s desire will migrate to the top 20%. Women will get pregnant. It is firmware derived. And modern society is different than the times that generated the firmware. So with that being said: http://therationalmale.com/2012/07/13/is-seduction-real/ “There’s a PUA idiom that states 80% of seduction is simply not fucking up what’s already there. Attraction is not a choice – however, what you do from there is entirely up to you. I think people get hung up… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

@SJF – Rand’s ideas are fine as far as they go but in the broader academic, philosophical world, Objectivism isn’t really taken that seriously. Some claim it’s not a philosophy at all. What some libertarians fail to understand is that the modern world is a balancing act. Liberty and the state sit in conflict with each other, and our politics attempt to balance the two. The combination of individualism and a limited state give rise to our prosperity and the modern world. Stirner seeks to posit only the individual’s own perceptions as “real” and therefore the only things that are… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@Emily

Say something interesting or philosophical.

Do you think everything you read from us terpers (a loathesome term indeed–its diminutive and perjorative) is bullshit? How does it make you feel that the Red Pill diminishes your sexual strategy? Or that is highlights a man’s Trump Card (commitment).

And don’t use monogamy in your reply. Or religion. Or ideology. Speak practically.

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

“Rand’s ideas are fine as far as they go but in the broader academic, philosophical world, Objectivism isn’t really taken that seriously. Some claim it’s not a philosophy at all.” Fine as they go, but two dimensional are how I see them. I’m sure Henry Reardon thought he was hot shit, but then again, he didn’t have to interact with society. And not really philosophy. Perhaps just clear thinking and limited in ideology? “Stirner seeks to posit only the individual’s own perceptions as “real” and therefore the only things that are real. In a way, he’s nothing more than an… Read more »

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

“Bicycling is also gentler on the joints . . .” And therefore does nothing to strengthen them. Bicycling can actually promote osteoporosis and connective tissue degradation. ” . . . but lacks the same level of calorie burn compared to either of the other two.” So it’s got something going for it; efficiency. KFG Exercise Maxim Pretty Close to One: We don’t exercise to burn calories. We burn calories to exercise. Exercising to burn calories is like driving your car to burn gas. This focus on burning calories as if it were the point of exercise is really weird and… Read more »

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

And as for the SYT question, I’m a coffee house musician and live in a land dotted with small, ivy covered private colleges. I know buckets of 19, hot and rich girls. The tricky bit is keeping them from moving in with me.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@kfg

We don’t exercise to burn calories. We burn calories to exercise.

Oh I know that, but very often guys starting out in cardio are trying to lose weight which is basically calories in minus calories out. Main reason it’s important to understand the burn rates of various exercises, particularly if you’re time-constrained for workouts.

Later on yeah you’re working to build endurance, strength, speed, etc. but you still need to know the numbers to know how to balance caloric intake with the intensity of your chosen workout.

Sentient
Sentient
7 years ago

“If she thinks well of a Man, she is choosing by her perception. Game is enhancing that perception.”

Game is more a language, a language the women are born with and most men don’t know exists, let alone are fluent in. Think of it that way and women will make a lot more sense. You don’t argue with a German over why she doesn’t understand you – and you her – if you know you don’t speak or understand German.

http://fashionsizzle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/claudia-schiffer-guess.jpg

Good to know some German…

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

” . . . you still need to know the numbers to know how to balance caloric intake with the intensity of your chosen workout.”

Has no idea what a calorie is:

http://www.sciencephoto.com/image/362826/530wm/V2500034-19th-century_Native_American_mine_worker-SPL.jpg

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@kfg

To bad fair there’s probably a lot of days he doesn’t know what a meal is either. 😉

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

“To bad fair there’s probably a lot of days he doesn’t know what a meal is either.”

Which should tell you something if you spend a bit of time thinking about it.

But here is another example of someone who has no idea of what a calorie is:

http://albertis-window.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Farnese-Hercules-Roman-copy-by-Glykon-after-the-4th-century-bronze-original-by-Lysippos-3rd-century-CE.jpg

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

And another. This time a pure running specialist who has never lifted:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ApmTlnlhz70/T7D4LRlHcZI/AAAAAAAAFx4/Tvpr1QxnGZU/s1600/cheetah_jumping.jpg

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

And I’ll further note that they don’t even know what their weight is.
Your paradigm is flawed. You need to construct a new one that is in line with the easily observable facts.

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

“Do you think everything you read from us terpers (a loathesome term indeed–its diminutive and perjorative) is bullshit?”

Meh, TRPers, thats all I meant to say.

Naaaa, I believe you, I believe Rollo. But do I believe this dude that he knows over 50 hot 19 year olds and that their bodies are much softer and tighter (whatever that means) than 25 year olds? Naa. I think he gets his info from porn.

Emily
Emily
7 years ago

I mean, personally I think that since this whole thing is based on the Matrix ‘red pill’ thing, I should call out someone when he’s clearly living in a bullshit fantasy where he is a 40/50 yo having sex with 50 hot 19 year olds.

Delusions shouldn’t be encouraged.

SJF, I have a busy week (spring break starts next week) sooo my posts are kiiiinda low effort.

newlyaloof
7 years ago

@YaReally, Today is National Tell a Fairy Tale Day. I can’t think of a better open for happy hour tonight! lol. http://www.nationaldaycalendar.com/2016/02/25/february-26-2016-national-tell-a-fairy-tale-day-national-pistachio-day/

Jeremy
7 years ago

@Sun Wukong Later on yeah you’re working to build endurance, strength, speed, etc. but you still need to know the numbers to know how to balance caloric intake with the intensity of your chosen workout. Endurance and speed are two different kinds of strength. They are merely different ends of the spectrum where energy expense and bodily repair are required for a long period of time for endurance, and a short period of time with high forces involved for speed. Most who lift weights do relatively short bursts of energy output to get the weight up-down,up-down, rest, repeat, etc.. But… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
7 years ago

@emily…

Lulz.. “sooo my posts are kiiiinda low effort.” Yup.

Enjoy your morning O…!!!

http://www.thenug.com/sites/default/pub/040314/thenug-DzoSBKn0qJ.gif

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@kfg

Your paradigm is flawed. You need to construct a new one that is in line with the easily observable facts.

Seeing as health for me has always been a non-issue, I’m good thanks. We have tools available to us that your examples don’t. That’s the benefit of scientific advances. If not using them works for you, great. Using them has worked fine for me and consistently delivers predictable results whether I’m working to build my fitness or helping an obese friend ditch the pounds and get healthy.

Damian
Damian
7 years ago

US women are utterly shitty, in my country, I won’t say that Hypergamy isn’t a thing in my country, but women are definitely better distributed and way less bitchy. You can find all kinds of average guys scoring either for one night stands or monogamous relationships, and feminism is less powerful. At this point all men are going to check out from the Western world (you’re invited to come here if you feel like checking out).

J1J2
J1J2
7 years ago

A critical point in human evolution was the development of female jealously: females no longer being satisfied to be in a harem. In a way we are starting to evolve back toward the baboon model, but we can’t get there from here: females are hard-wired against it. They spend years trying to succeed in the game of Catch-An-Alpha, and then rather than be in (rolling invisible) harems they slowly but surely retire into being cat-ladies. Then they wonder what went wrong, blame men, and tell themselves that they “should” be happy. But they are hard-wired for “-gamy” as well as… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
7 years ago

@Damian I won’t say that Hypergamy isn’t a thing in my country That’s because it’s not about region or location. It’s about universally evolved female biology. but women are definitely better distributed and way less bitchy Social conventions, likely due at least in part to lower male:female ratio locally. you’re invited to come here if you feel like checking out Where? @J1J2 females no longer being satisfied to be in a harem When did this happen? If there’s one point Rollo makes (and I’ve seen proven out repeatedly), it’s that women would rather share a high value man than have… Read more »

Chump No More
Chump No More
7 years ago

@kfg
“KFG Exercise Maxim Pretty Close to One:

We don’t exercise to burn calories. We burn calories to exercise.

Exercising to burn calories is like driving your car to burn gas. This focus on burning calories as if it were the point of exercise is really weird and some sort of societal mental illness.”

It’s a great maxim for those already fit, but when you’re digging out of that hole, “driving your car to burn gas” is exactly what you do.

Some people have a hard time making the mental shift when you no longer have to.

thedeti
7 years ago

Jesus. Since the girls have come out to play, the comments are a real shitshow around here.

Good post, Rollo. Good to see Morpheus and AnonReader around. You too, Jeremy, Blaximus, Johnycomelately.

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

@Sun: “We have tools available to us that your examples don’t.” Exactly the point. “Using them has worked fine for me . . .” The question was not whether or not they can work, but whether or not they are necessary. They are not. At all. I know of one guy who makes excellent use of the tools now available, he wears an activity tracking device 24/7 and makes up his food in double amounts and burns half in a bomb calorimeter. That gives him a precision of something less than 100 Calories. Those are the tools, the electronic fitness… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
7 years ago

@Blaximus “I can’t figure out why people hold on to ” societal ” stuff so tightly, as if they have nothing without approval of others. ” = FI in play… “But, it may be anecdotal, I see guys ” reproducing ” all the time, who would be considered in the bottom of the bottom 80%.” so, you understand about ‘desire’ first = 80% of women ‘want’ top 20% of men… next comes reality for that particular girl…lol…her hindbrain wants george clooney, but he’s not around, soooo…who is?…an egg starts down the plumbing…her hindbrain starts to push the hamster bc it’s… Read more »

Chump No More
Chump No More
7 years ago

“Yet I can’t help but note that the cheetah manages to stay lean, fit and mass stable without a clue, never mind a directive. It “just happens.””

When I was ‘losing’, I was obsessed counting calories and had mixed results because not all calories are created equal. When I started eating ‘clean’ and paid attention to exactly what was going into my body, calorie counting became superfluous… As you say, ‘It just happened’.

kfg
kfg
7 years ago

“It’s a great maxim for those already fit, but when you’re digging out of that hole, “driving your car to burn gas” is exactly what you do.” Because you keep adding more fuel to the tank that you are trying to drain. Abs are made in the kitchen. I can decrease your fat mass and increase muscle mass, bone density, strength and endurance on a program of one 15 minute exercise session – per week, and complete bed rest for the rest of the week. That is the baseline against which you should compare all other programs. If you do… Read more »

SJF
SJF
7 years ago

@Blaximus
@HABD

In regards to those questions last night asked by Blaximus and explained by HABD, here is a link to a coherent description of Hypergamy and the Pareto Principle:

https://archive.is/Wh5nz

Radium
Radium
7 years ago

The Pareto Principle creates two things 1) men without access to sexually available women and fatherhood, and 2) unmarried women with and without children. The consequences of the first are regularly discussed, but I seldom hear much talk about the consequences of the second. I think the consequences of unmarried women with and without children is interesting. The obvious consequence is legions of idiot children raised by single moms. In addition, many studies have found women in the industrialized nations to be significantly less happy in the last half century. There are significant differences in male groups and female groups.… Read more »

quixotic
quixotic
7 years ago

@Calum Straun No I did not try for the kiss again; we left like 20 minutes after I went for the initial kiss. She did kiss me on the cheek in a very sexy way when I said goodbye. Fuck lol I should have gotten up and said lets get some air, just as a compliance test, good point. Thanks for the feedback man @Sentient Wow really good points on the compliance hoops. I will try to remember this big time. Ya I see your point on pussy cake. I thought about this in the split second before I did… Read more »

redlight
redlight
7 years ago

Karen (aka ShoeOnHead) is banned for spamming, Wild Man is suspended for the same

how very egalitarian

scribblerg
scribblerg
7 years ago

On whether female hypergamy is a Pareto phenomena or not. The answer is decidedly no, it is not. Pareto phenomenon are those in which 80% of the effects are caused by 20% of the causes. In fact 100% of women are selecting up so defacto, it is not a Pareto phenomena. All women cause it. Pareto effects are seen in say corporate sales teams where you notice the 80% of the revenue comes from 20% of a sales team. As an aside, funnily, when longitudinal studies are done one sees the composition of the 20% changes quite substantially from year… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
7 years ago

Oh I know that, but very often guys starting out in cardio are trying to lose weight which is basically calories in minus calories out. Main reason it’s important to understand the burn rates of various exercises, particularly if you’re time-constrained for workouts. “Cardio to lose weight” is a holdover from half baked research done in about 1968. Lifting to build muscle is more efficient way to lose weight. Put “weight lifting” “weight loss” into a search engine and behold the results, they go on for pages and pages. Here’s just one. http://www.livestrong.com/article/132701-weight-lifting-programs-lose-weight/ Weight plus cardio. Not “cardio only”. I’m… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
7 years ago

thedeti Jesus. Since the girls have come out to play, the comments are a real shitshow around here. Eh, that stuff runs in cycles. $usan Wal$h, Leaning Tree, Sunshine Bloody Mary, Geisha-Kate-Minter; they show up for a while, they get annoyed and frustrated because we don’t take them seriously, dammit and because we insist on being men rather than butched up women, and then they wander away. The more obvious trolls like Karen don’t last long, one way or another. The girls coming out to play serves multiple purposes: they always wind up demonstrating exactly what Rollo has written, they… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
7 years ago

@quixotic “Ya I see your point on pussy cake. I thought about this in the split second before I did it and decided it was self-amusing and I was hungry lol So im good with it but YES I have blown sooooo many sets saying outrageous shit lol” A subtle point I was trying to make on the Pussy Cake incident, it’s not the words or action per se – it’s how they are unfolding – in whose FRAME the interaction is taking place in… that’s why the compliance hoops are so important. Compliance hoops are a major diagnostic tool,… Read more »

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