The Red Pill Balance

Before you move on to reading today’s post, please take 14 minutes and listen to Niko Choski’s latest here Man:the being made of stone, it’ll be relevant in the second half of this post.

Niko is MGTOW, and from what I know is fairly highly regarded in that sphere. I did an interview with him back in August and since then have become a semi-regular listener of his youtube channel. We’ve occasionally bounced ideas off one another since the interview and I hold Niko in the highest respect for his intellectual approach and insights.

So it’s with that in mind that I’m going to use his latest offering here as a contrast to what I’m going into today.

Reader Divided Line stopped me in my writing tracks on another post with this comment from the last post thread. Not the least of which because I’d just finished listening to Niko’s audio here, but also because it was an interesting juxtaposition to what I’d planned to go into today. I’m going to quote Divided Line here and riff a bit as I go (emphasis mine):

@reloadedbeats

A lot of what you’ve said here echos my own thinking to such a degree that it’s as if you read my mind. I agree 100%.

What you’re talking about here, I think, is the inherent value of goodness or justice. I think Plato took up this question in the Republic and nailed it better than most.

In the beginning of the dialogue the question is “what is justice?” But it quickly transforms into “what is the value of justice?” In other words, if goodness wins us no reward, then what value does it have? Is it valuable in its own right? Would it have value even if it cost us something, or indeed cost us everything?

Glaucon puts the question like this (paraphrasing): “What if the perfectly just man is seen by everyone as perfectly unjust, while the perfectly unjust man is seen as perfectly just?” He then puts it on Socrates to effectively prove that, even in this scenario, justice would be worth it.

We could gender this question and simply ask “what if the perfectly good man is seen as perfectly unattractive to women, while the perfectly evil man is seen as perfectly attractive?”

Is goodness worth it even if it isn’t profitable sexually or socially? It’s the same question.

Why be a ‘good’ man when what we consider good by both personal and social measures isn’t rewarded (or only grudgingly rewarded), while what we consider ‘bad’ is what is enthusiastically rewarded with women’s genuine desire and intimacy? In other words, Hypergamy doesn’t care about what men consider good or bad.

It seems like this is the predicament red pill awareness puts us in when we have to consider the value of our formerly beta self. What makes the beta the beta is his weakness, of course, but it is simultaneously his civility. We’re not defective people for wanting or even needing the possibility love, empathy, truth, friendship, kindness, and – above all else – trust in our lives. It just makes us human. If we project our deeply rooted desires for these things and treat others the way we want to be treated, wouldn’t society be better off for it? And isn’t this what the supplicating, loyal beta does when latches on to a woman he believes to the “the One?”

No Quarter Given

In my post (and book chapter) Of Love and War I quote a reader who summed up this want for relief from men’s inherent Burden of Performance:

We want to relax. We want to be open and honest. We want to have a safe haven in which struggle has no place, where we gain strength and rest instead of having it pulled from us. We want to stop being on guard all the time, and have a chance to simply be with someone who can understand our basic humanity without begrudging it. To stop fighting, to stop playing the game, just for a while.

We want to, so badly.

If we do, we soon are no longer able to

When I consider Niko’s perspective alongside this I begin to see a stark paradox; mens’ want for a relief or a respite from that performance burden tends to be their undoing. I wont get too deep into this, but one reason I see the MGTOW sphere being so seductive is the hopeful promise of that same relief. Simply give up. Refuse to play along and reject the burden altogether. Japan’s herbivorous men crisis is a graphic example of the long term effects of this.

However, this is the same mistake men make in their Blue Pill, Beta conditioning. They believe that if they meet the right girl, if they align correctly with that special ONE, then they too can give up and not worry about their performance burden – or relax and only make the base effort necessary to keep his ONE happy.

The Beta buys the advertising that his Blue Pill conditioning has presented to him for a lifetime. Find the right girl who accepts you independent of your performance, and you can let down your guard, be vulnerable, forget any notion of Red Pill truths because your girl is a special specimen who places no conditions on her love, empathy, intimate acceptance or genuine desire for you.

And this is also very seductive and inuring for the Beta who’s been conditioned to believe there can realistically be a respite from his burden.

That’s how it seemed to work in my own life. Looking back on it, I was so grateful to my ex, who was easily the most attractive girl I’d ever been with, that I would have taken a bullet for her. I didn’t want anybody else. I didn’t even think about other girls – the first time that had ever happened to me in a relationship. I can remember thinking that even if she gained weight, lost her looks, and got old, I’d still want her. I would have “loved” her forever. I was good and ready to cash in my chips, exit the SMV, and retire. I would have arranged my whole life around making her happy and would have felt lucky to have had the privilege.

At the time, all of that felt noble and brave, but looking back on it, it just seems pathetic and pathological, the result of my neediness. But the thing is, what if she had reciprocated it? Wouldn’t it have been a relationship worth having? Had she reciprocated it – if any woman was capable of reciprocating that – it wouldn’t have been Disney movie bullshit, but the real thing. We’re supposed to think such a thing is possible and that’s what keeps us playing along. The Red Pill is really about recognizing its impossibility, I think. There is no possible equity. To be sure, a woman can be loyal and dedicated to you, in theory, but she’ll only give that loyalty to the guy who needs it least. It’s like a cruel, cosmic joke.

Such as it is, that girl lied to me, ran for the hills the moment I showed weakness and needed her the most, and cheated on me. Big surprise, right? With a red pill awareness now I can see how predictable that result was, but at the time I was blindsided by it. I never saw it coming. I couldn’t understand how she could do such a thing when I’d invested so much in her, when I was so willing to give her all the things I’d always wanted most. I assumed she wanted the same things – men and women are the same, right? That’s what the egalitarians tell us. I couldn’t understand how those things could be so valueless to her that she would just throw it all away like that. She didn’t value them at all.

On occasion I’ve suggested that men watch the movie Blue Valentine. You can check out the plot summary on the IMDB link there, but you really need to watch the movie (on Netflix) to appreciate what I’m going to relate here. The main character suffers from the same romantic idealism and want for a perfected, mutually shared concept of love between himself and the single mother he eventually marries.

It follows along the same familiar theme of Alpha while single / Beta after marriage that most men experience in what they believe is their lot. More often than not the Alpha they believed their wives or LTR girlfriends perceived they were was really just a guy who’d do for their needs of whatever phase of maturity she found herself in.

By itself this would be enough for me to endorse the movie, but the story teaches a much more valuable lesson. What Dean (Ryan Gosling) represents is a man who idealistically buys the Blue Pill promise that men and women share a mutual love concept, independent of what their sexual strategies and innate dispositions prompt them to. Because of this misbelief Dean gives up on the burden of his performance. He drops his ambitions and relaxes with his ONE girl, contenting himself in mediocrity, low ambitions and his idealistic belief in a woman sharing and sustaining his romanticized Blue Pill love ideal – performancelessness.

He relaxes, lets his guard down and becomes the vulnerable man he was taught since birth that women would not only desire, but require for their false, performanceless notions of mutual intimacy. The men of this sphere who don’t find themselves divorced from their progressively bored wives are often the ones who trade their ambitions and passions for a life of mediocrity and routine,…so long as the security blanket of what they believe is a sustainable, passable semblance of that love (but not desire) exists in their wives or girlfriends.

Their burden of performance is sedated so long as their women are reasonably comfortable or sedate themselves. That false sense of contentment is only temporary and leads to their own ruin or decay.

No Quarter Expected

I’ve since watched something similar happen to a friend not once but twice. It’s textbook, standard shit. AWALT.

Cultivating these unrequited beta aspects of somebody’s character, if we did it on a mass scale, creates a society worth living in. It’s a civilized society where these things are most possible and it’s a truly worthwhile relationship where both parties regard each other this way and can full expect it to be reciprocated. It requires faith and trust, but we all know better. Our survival depends on knowing better, post sexual revolution. Women were never worthy of such trust and they’re entirely incapable of it. They were never capable of it. We were just supposed to think they were and cultivate the better aspects of our natures in order to be worthy of them.

The ugly truth of it is that women were never worthy of us.

Women’s sexuality doesn’t reward justice or goodness – if it did, reciprocity would be the norm and none of us would be confused about relational equity. Women reward not goodness, but strength. And strength is amoral, meaning it can be either just or unjust, good or bad. The guy with strength can either be the villain or the hero – it makes no difference to women. They can’t tell the difference and in truth don’t care anyway.

There is a set of the Red Pill that subscribe to what I’d call a ‘scorched earth‘ policy. It’s very difficult to reconcile the opportunistic basis of women’s Hypergamous natures with men’s hopeful, idealistic want for a love that’s independent from their performance burden. So the idea is again one of giving up. They say fuck it, women only respond to the most base selfishly individualistic, socio or psychopathic of men, so the personality they adopt is one that hammers his idealism flat and exaggerates his ‘Dark Triad‘ traits beyond all believability.

It’s almost a vengeful embrace of the most painful truths Red Pill awareness presents to us, and again I see why the scorched earth PUA attitude would seem attractive. Women do in fact observably and predictably reward assholes and excessively dominant Alpha men with genuine desire and sexual enthusiasm.

Agreeableness and humility in men has been associated with a negative predictor of sex partners.

The problem inherent in applying reciprocal solutions to gender relations is the belief that those relations are in any way improved by an equilibrium between both sexes interests. Solution: turn hard toward the asshole energy. Men understand the rules of engagement with women and they know Game well enough to capitalize on it so why not capitalize on that mastery of it?

The dangers of this are twofold. First, it lacks real sustainability and eventually becomes a more sexualized version of MGTOW. Secondly, “accidents” happen. MGTOWs will warn us that any interaction with a woman bears a risk of sexual harassment or false rape claims, but for the scorched earth guy a planned unplanned pregnancy on the part of a woman attempting to lock down her Alpha is far more likely to be his long term downfall. Emotional and provisioning liabilities for a child tends to pour cold water on the scorched earth guy.

It wouldn’t be inaccurate to say that women are philosophically, spiritually, and morally stunted. They have a limited capacity for adherence to higher ideals and this is why they don’t know or care what actual justice or goodness is. Like Schopenhauer said, they “mistake knowledge for its appearance.”

It took me a long time to be able to accept this. That is women’s true inferiority – and women are profoundly inferior. And I take no pleasure in recognizing that, as if I’m somehow touting the superiority of team men. It’s awful, in fact. Dealing with it is the ultimate burden of performance for us as individual men, but also as a society. At some point we’re simply going to have to confront women’s moral inferiority. If we look at our institutions, the very same that are crumbling now all around us, we can see that previous generations of men already figured this out. We just forgot what they knew.

So what’s the answer? Is justice valuable for its own sake? All of us would probably on some level want to be able to say yes and argue the case, but I don’t know if I can do so convincingly.

I’m with you on this, part of me thinks “Fuck this. It can’t be like this.” But it is. I wish I had the answer.

Niko attempts to redress the assumption that men feel some necessity to be someone they really aren’t. In Vulnerability I go into how the Feminine Imperative is only too willing to exploit this self-doubt by labeling men as existential posers and their conventional masculinity is a ‘mask’ – a false charade – they put on to hide the real vulnerability that lies beneath.

Unfortunately many men accept this as gospel. It’s part of their Blue Pill upbringing and is an essential aspect of their feminine ‘sensitivity training’ and gender loathing conditioning. When masculinity is only ever a mask men wear the only thing real about them is what real women tell them it should be.

What we don’t consider is the legitimacy of our need for strength, independence, stoicism, and yes, emotional restraint. That need to be bulwark against women’s emotionality, that need to wear psychological armor against the Red Pill realities of women’s visceral natures is legitimate and necessary. If a man’s vulnerability is ever it’s because his display of it is so uncharacteristic of his normal impenetrability. The woman’s demeanor, and the narrator’s voice, in the last post’s Campbell’s soup commercial is an example of the weak, vulnerability women expect from lesser child-men – and a commensurate expectation of him to just get that he needs to be strong.

That’s the inconsistency in women’s Hypergamous nature and the narrative of the Feminine Imperative’s messaging. Be sweet, open, vulnerable; it’s OK to cry, ask for help, be sick and weakened, we’re all equal and empathetic – but, Man Up, “what, you need your mommy?”, assert yourself, the asshole is sexier than you, where’s your self-discipline? – but, your masculine identity is a mask you wear to hide the real you,……

I play many roles in the male life I lead today, and I’ve played many others in my past. I’m Rollo Tomassi in the manosphere, I’m a father to my daughter, a husband and lover to my wife, a brilliant artist and pragmatic builder of brands in my job, an adventure seeker when I’m on my snowmobile and a quiet contemplator of life and God when I’m fishing. All of those roles and more are as legitimate as I choose to make them. Do I have moments of uncertainty? Do I waiver in my resolve sometimes? Of course, but I don’t let that define me because I know there is no real strength in relating that.

The Red Pill Balance

Red Pill awareness is both a blessing and a curse. The trick is balancing your Red Pill expectations with your previous Blue Pill idealism. It’s not a sin for you to want for an idealistic reality – that’s what sets us apart from women’s opportunism. You do yourself no favors in killing you idealistic, creative sense of wonderment of what could be. The trick is acknowledging that aspect of your male self.

KFG had a comment to this point:

If men did not hold heroism as a higher ideal, we wouldn’t be here.
If women did not hold survival as a higher ideal, we wouldn’t be here.

This was precisely the dynamic I was referring to when I wrote Idealism.

Men’s idealism and idealistic concepts of love are the natural counterbalance to women’s pragmatic, Hypergamously rooted opportunism and opportunistic concepts of love and vice versa. Those differing concepts can be applied very unjustly and very cruelly, or very judiciously and honorably, but they are the reality of our existence.

Red Pill awareness isn’t just about understanding women’s innate natures and behaviors, it’s also understanding your own male nature and learning how it fits in to that new awareness and living in a new paradigm. Is something like justice valuable for its own sake? I’d say so, but that concept of justice must be tempered (or enforced) in a Red Pill understanding of what to expect from women and men. Red Pill awareness doesn’t mean we should abandon our idealism or higher order aspirations, and it certainly doesn’t mean we should just accept our lot in women’s social frame because of it. It does mean we need to balance that idealism in as pragmatic a way with the realities of what the Red Pill shows us.

 

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

807 comments on “The Red Pill Balance

  1. I’m actually a bit torn up about David Bowie. I’m surprised that I feel some kind of way over his death, but I always allow myself to feel whatever I happen to feel.

    I actually got to meet Bowie back in,,82 I think, or 83. By ” meet ” I mean I was in the same bar in the Village at the same time. He did speak though and was surprisingly unsurprising. It’s one of my fave stories, but I will not bore everyone with it right now. Serious Moonlight Tour ranks among my favorites of all time though.

    We’re all getting old. We’re all going away. Nothing will be the same. Live life as fully as possible.

    Anyway…

    Dicks? Lol, what happened here while I wasn’t around?

    There’s a lot more to pleasing yourself, and by extension pleasing the female of your choice than dick size. I’ve known quite a few guys that were hung like Clydesdales, and they had problems getting and keeping chicks. Sometimes having a baby’s arm between your legs just can’t cut it.

    To go back to an original point, it’s important to slow down and appreciate the female form. Chicks are different from us in abundant ways and it’s good to fully appreciate this sexually. It’s not so much for them initially, but they benefit greatly. Be a complete lover. Some women won’t get off on that, and it is absolutely fine. NEXT. But I’d bet my 401k that a vast majority will appreciate being fully, carefully and thoughtfully explored before actual banging commences.

    I find erogenous zones in the damnedest places. Get her to come a few times before penetration, that’s my motto ( I’m gonna put that on t-shirts ). Never boast or brag about your prowess, show and prove. But above all, PRACTICE. Experience breed proficiency. Enjoy what you’re doing sexually, it’s not a paint by numbers exercise. I can fully recall practically every sexual encounter I’ve had, and it never fails to bring a smile to my face and good feelz.

    I’m not sold that we can ” science ” our way around this one. There is an emotional context that science misses in it’s raw numbers.

    I never think about my dick ( I try hard not to say ” Muh dick ” in comments. It’s become a joke..) until a subject like size is brought up. When sizing up a woman sexually, I’m thinking about where her ” spots ” are and how long will it take to find them, and will she feel comfortable enough to let go and go with the sexual flow. We must concentrate on banishing nervousness and relaxing. Your cock will do what it has to do all by itself…Lol.

  2. @Dutch:
    Law 39: Stir up Waters to Catch Fish
    Anger and emotion are strategically counterproductive. You must always stay calm and objective. But if you can make your enemies angry while staying calm yourself, you gain a decided advantage. Put your enemies off-balance: Find the chink in their vanity through which you can rattle them and you hold the strings.

    This is the law your wife uses on you without even thinking about it.

    Now read this:
    http://therationalmale.com/2015/01/13/acing-the-test/

  3. @Yareally

    When you (or others) write a long post (I could say wall of text but you often have videos and other links) I suggest you do a copy all and save it somewhere, before clicking to post. That way if it disappears you can re-post it.

  4. @Rollo

    Reading now… I’m good at dealing her active/flirty type shit tests. Definitely need to work on the passive ones.

  5. Doncha worry Kitten, we’re on it!

    Hey Dutchman, you might remember a comment I posted a few days back about a former one-itis tormenting me at work. I know what I have to do about it, but getting concrete feedback and encouragement is helpful on the way sometimes. I improved the circumstance like 80% after feedback some months back, and now I’m finally fed up with the remaining 20% so I gave and update in order to get another kick in the ass. Maybe I’ll cut it out entirely this time.

    Same thing with your circumstance.

    I suppose I just write that to encourage lurkers or posters holding shit back to post it so we can help. Doesn’t matter if it sounds stupid or the answer ‘should be obvious,’ sometimes y’all just need some straight talk custom-tailored to knock you right in the junk.

    Anyways, Rollo identifies the core problem nicely – it’s a state of powerlessness for you, a state of power for her that a) allows her to feel entitled to your bowing at scraping at the least offense; and b) makes you unattractive to her. Which of course exacerbates poor behavior, she’s trying to externalize her dissatisfaction.

    So far so simple. The tricky thing is getting your head straight about fixing it.

    A few things – first, have reasonable expectations about how fast you can change the dynamic. You can make progress quickly, getting all the way where you want to be will take time and serious internal work. I say this as a warning b/c it’s easy to get all butthurt about how you did all the ‘game’ things and she still is disrespecting you, didn’t she get the memo? Lol. Easy to overstep at first. Remember, you can’t MAKE her want to be nice and respectful and desirous of her, it happens automatically when you start behaving in a more grounded, masculine fashion.

    Second, re: the advice to ‘just hump her’ above – impudence, cheekiness, silliness, etc are all good, but they need to be congruent to who you are and the circumstance. And remember, you’re not doing this as some magic ‘technique’ that will fix everything – you’re just having a good time. Don’t be all ‘I’m gonna SHOW HER and GRAB BACK FRAME and EXPRESS MY DESIRES and she’s gonna LIKE it dammit!’ Nah, that’s a way to piss people off. You’re trying to PLAY with her, because it’s FUN.

    I have a brother who married recently and I think he’s doing great with natural game so far – the thing he does best is simply makes her smile or laugh whenever she’s angry or pissy about anything. It doesn’t even register for him to get annoyed or frustrated, he just transitions straight to getting her to laugh and doing silly shit, and then he starts kissing her, and if she resists he just acts as though she’s being coy – like [baby voice] ‘it’s okay, honey. I know.’ [leans in for kiss and she shoves him away; he squeals as though shocked or hurt, then when she laughs he sneaks a kiss in] It’s not an imperturbable nature either, he actually has a fairly hot temper. Not every man needs to be like that, but yeah, that’s one way to pass shit tests and get past frustrations. It’s just a constant game for him. He does some of the same stuff with the sisters.

    So, the question really is – why are you so sensitive? I suspect you feel powerless and frustrated – nothing really works like you’d like it to, and that saps your confidence. A subtle disrespect informs your relationship that you can’t articulate; that gives you signals that you’re not the power figure, the ‘alpha,’ and so your social instincts recalibrate so that you’re a pushover who doens’t piss the alpha off and get his ass killed. And you’re necessitous of your wife, since she’s all the ass you’ve got.

    Often these subconscious status evaluations have some to do with early social experiences. Pain that hasn’t been faced. Or it comes from being coddled in our modern greenhouse environment. Either way, the solution is the same – look for your pain, amplify till you’re screaming and it’s gone. Rinse, wash, repeat. After that you won’t give two shits what princess might think if you don’t wipe your nose and say sorry.

  6. @Kitten – First off, your response to Dutch was great – I meant it when I said I appreciated your commentary. And in fact, in that comment you demonstrated more Red Pill understanding than I saw in your blog post on Red Pill dating. My opinion on your knowledge was based on the patronizing and denigrating way you described Red Pill men. but even worse was how reductionist it was. Many men here are not men who’ve been frivorced, yet that his how you characterized Red Pill men in that post.

    I also meant it when I said I appreciated your commentary. But you will have to be tough. Pedantic factotums like me will point out philosophical issues and remonstrate you. Guys like Andy will just shit on you cuz that’s it pleases him. Other’s will just enjoy talking down to a woman cuz they don’t get a chance to IRL.

    But here’s the thing – Rollo’s essays are pure gold. I gurantee you he has covered stuff you haven’t thought of yet. Remember, he studied psychology quite seriously and has approached this subject very carefully over a long period of time.

    Perhaps it would help to know that we often tell guys to read the best of Year 1 and 2 posts too? We often get guys who believe they are Red Pill who have only scratched the surface of what’s going on here and we tell them the same thing.

    I think you have been very civil and constructive here and will treat you well until you do otherwise. Am I being clearer? I hope so. A woman such as yourself could be a big help for lots of men here, including me. I learned something from the comment you did on the mechanics of the vagina upthread.

  7. @Cheupez – Stop moving the goalposts. A MGTOW who doesn’t eschew women is not a MGTOW. He’s merely a Red Pill guy like the rest of us.

  8. @Dutch – You are getting great advice technically from the other guys but I think that first you should look inward at your “internal game”. I may be biased but it was when I changed my thinking, that is when my behavior changed. A few thoughts:

    – You see your wife’s “disrespect” as a reflection of your own value. You are too invested in how she sees you. This tells me that you aren’t “the prize” yet. When you get there, you will laugh and see her whining about you either as a shit test or a just a burden of leadership and you will laugh it off. Leaders get complaints, that’s just how it is.

    – Remonstrating your wife. She needs to be corrected by you but you have to be her leader first. She will not take your corrections if she has not submitted. Also, the fact that you are doing so in a nasty way telegraphs you don’t see yourself as the leader. Leaders correct those they lead – it’s not annoying, it’s part of the job. Even more subtly/importantly, in order to be effective as a leader, you pick and choose your battles as people will only respond to a small amount of correction given in a way that actually helps.

    – Codependency seems to be present here. You are annoyed and it’s “her fault”. No, when you are annoyed you are generating this all on your own. It’s your interpretation of the events that is driving your emotional state, not her actions. Again, see point one – if you really are a dominant male who is her leader, why would you get annoyed when she makes a mistake? She needs your help and leadership. When you get upset, you telegraph she is in charge of your emotional state, not you. And what leader is controlled by those who follow them?

    The burden of performance is a bitch, dude. But each level you move through will reveal more grace, more power and more wisdom.

  9. @Niko – Fucking hooray! I did the same thing on my second MGTOW channel, told everyone basically what you said, deleted all my vids and went ghost. I was building a “big channel” but simply could not stand the hate and simplistic thinking in the MGTOW world. I also spent way too much time on it. Fyi, this is the only place in the manosphere I bother with and I’m 1000% better for it.

    So, now you are just a Red Pill guy like the rest of us, woohoo! Welcome. Now, start reading some YaReally shit and get working on game – it puts your Red Pill journey on ‘roids. Or not…Lol.

    I love to watch men evolve and grow. It’s uncommon and gets much respect from me.

    1. @scribblerg
      “I love to watch men evolve and grow. It’s uncommon and gets much respect from me.”
      Buying you a drink for that. It means a lot to read and process that growth is essential.

  10. @redlight
    “When you (or others) write a long post (I could say wall of text but you often have videos and other links) I suggest you do a copy all and save it somewhere, before clicking to post. That way if it disappears you can re-post it.”

    Fortunately I did just that this time lol:

    @everyone

    Time to be a condescending asshole…I wish I didn’t have to. WHY DO YOU KEEP MAKING ME HAVE TO HIT YOU LIKE THIS, BABY???

    fucking lol’ing hard at the penis size stuff. I heart you guys but this shit is simultaneously the funniest and most painful thing I’ve read in a while. It’s always such a wtf moment when I see a group of guys who are basing a huge focus of their self-development journey around learning to think logically and rationally instead of letting their emotions and fears control them and warp their thinking, get sucked into these vortexes of emotional irrationality.

    First we’re going to toss out self-surveys by women of what they want, because women are retarded and think they want flowers and nice guys too…again this goes back to “WE ALWAYS IGNORE WHAT WOMEN SAY ABOUT WHAT TURNS THEM ON…EXCEPT WHEN IT ALIGNS WITH OUR ALREADY DEEPLY ENTRENCHED LIMITING BELIEFS, *THEN* WE TAKE WHAT THEY SAY AT FACE VALUE!!!!” You can’t pick and choose when to listen to women’s self-surveys because that’s EXACTLY what the idiot showing up with a dozen roses and asking “so where would YOU like to eat tonight?” and asking her if it’s okay to kiss her is doing when he cherry-picks the self-survey shit that aligns with his retarded beliefs.

    On top of that when it comes to sex most women haven’t even HAD good sex. Because most guys are shit in bed. Which again comes down to the same thing with muscles and money: if you are boring as fuck, then yes, those things will help you because you’re giving her nothing else to base her opinion on and she has to resort to those but if you would step up and make emotional impacts on women and quit being a fucking dialtone of mundane flatline emotions (or very slowly raising emotions, or only positive emotions never any negative ones) she wouldn’t give a shit whether your belt matches your custom leather shoes or your dick is an extra inch or not. The guys who are hung up on that shit I can almost GUARANTEE are running fucking weak game and don’t realize it because it might still be better than the average guy’s game.

    Look at any of those Julien infield clips in PIMP where he has girls falling over themselves emotionally reacting to him, do you think any of them give a shit what size his dick is or what his shoes look like or that he has man-boobs? They want to fuck him because he’s creating emotional impact and if you’re still hung up on this retarded stuff it’s because your game doesn’t have anywhere near the emotional impact that Julien’s game has and you aren’t getting the reactions that Julien gets that make that shit irrelevant…that shouldn’t be an indicator that you should go get better shoes or lift more weight or try to stretch your dick out, that’s an indicator that you should GO OUT IN THE FUCKING FIELD MORE AND WORK ON YOUR FUCKING GAME lol

    …but it’s a LOT easier to let that fear of the field take over and spend your Friday night at the gym or earning money or shopping for shoes or doing dick exercises or climbing mountains or doing MMA or ANY OTHER FUCKING THING UNDER THE SUN TO AVOID PUTTING YOUR BALLS ON THE LINE GOING UP TO PRETTY GIRLS AND SAYING HELLO and developing your game to where you understand what I’m saying and why the RSD instructors aren’t all jacked 6’8″ guys in custom-fitted suits with 12″ dicks.

    But today instead of just telling you guys how retarded this conversation is, I’m going to walk you through logical thought processes so that you can understand why what you’re saying is silly. God, where to begin…let’s start simple and build our way up:

    1) Do you guys think that all women have giant 24″ BBC monster dildos in their closets? And that sex toy stores don’t sell smaller dildos? Or that only small women are buying small dildos and every chick is buying the dildo that stretches her out the most (and even THEN that just brings us to point number 3 down below). If all women wanted was to just be rammed full then basic market economics 101 would result in stores being stocked with giant fist-shaped dildos and nothing smaller but there are a TON of smaller toys and if you look through a chick’s sex toy drawer she might have a 24″ dildo but generally a chick who has that also has a bunch of smaller ones because she doesn’t just want to shove fists up her pussy every time she’s horny. Most girls have a bunch of toys that just fit “nicely” along with a huge one for the now and then where they want to get rammed full but a lot of them don’t even have one of those.

    2) Do you guys think that lesbians are all stockpiling 50″ strap-ons and every time they fuck it’s just railing eachother with huge strap-ons and that’s how they have orgasms? Is all the lesbian porn out there, homemade or otherwise, just lesbians strapping up the biggest rubber cock they can find and plowing eachother with them? Other types of orgasms, other spots in the pussy, other sensations and feelings, the mental aspects the build-up the foreplay the teasing, none of that matters, it just comes down to “look did she shove a 13″ dildo in me or a 12″ because if it was only 12″ I’m OUTTA HERE TILL SHE BUYS A BIGGER ONE!!!”

    3) Do you think a girl getting her pussy stretched out to oblivion can even handle a round two of that without some recovery time? Do you lift your max weight at the gym 3x a day with no time for your body to recover? And then she’s going to want to get fist-sized dick railing her the next morning and later that night again? For some girls, ya the pain is probably a turn-on and shit, but like, we’re still talking about the human body here, it needs recovery time that isn’t necessarily pleasant when shit gets stretched all over the place. Those chicks in porn who take a huge 12″ cock up their ass spent the night before and all day leading up to the shoot with various buttplugs up their ass starting from their smallest to their largest so that on the shoot the guy can just ram his huge cock in there. They aren’t just taking a girl off the street and jamming fists in her holes. And if you find a girl who, by default with no stretching or anything leading up to it, can just take a two-fist huge dildo up her holes, there are other concerns you should probably be more focused on lol

    4) Do you guys think every chick’s pussy is the same? Like it’s some one size fits all shit? Do you think the height, weight, petiteness, etc of a chick has any relevance to how loose or tight her pussy is? Because if you do, you have more fucking to do. There are fatties with pussies you can barely get a finger into and petite chicks you can shove a fist into. So it doesn’t even make SENSE that “bigger is better” in the same way it wouldn’t make sense to say “for men blonder is better” when tons of men don’t even like blondes or like brunettes or redheads more, and just like it wouldn’t make sense to say “bigger tits are better” when tons of guys don’t even give a shit about tits or are more into asses etc.

    But we’ll ignore logic because hey, dick size hits home for guys, it’s a big insecurity society has conditioned everyone to have. I mean, let’s just run with this lack of logic and serve a small asian child the same 50oz steak we’d feed a linebacker, ’cause hey bigger is better, why factor in anything like how tight the chick’s pussy is and how a chick with a small tight pussy is going to find that 3.5″ dick guy just right, and that small tight pussy could be on some 6’2″ blonde model because body type doesn’t correlate to pussy size just like there are small dudes with big dicks and tall dudes with little dicks. This is basic fucking logic.

    5) Google Cytheria. I’ll wait. Enjoy that? Are you making 95% of the chicks you shove your dick in shoot waterfalls that literally jet out and drench both of you when you’re thrusting your dick in there? Because odds are you aren’t…if you are, it’s probably just with one or two of your girls who have a natural ability for it and not the consistent majority of them and overall it’s probably inconsistent (because that’s how the mechanics of what’s happening work). Watch Squirting 101 and go out and make a ton of chick’s squirt with the finger technique the dude explains in the video. It’s a hooking upward pulling motion on the upper-front of the pussy aka the g-spot. Unless your dick is shaped like an umbrella handle and you’re yanking it straight upward instead of thrusting it in and out of her, it doesn’t matter if your dick is 5″ or 10″ it’s probably not hitting the g-spot in the way that leads to insane squirting orgasms. There’s a chance you might rub against it or hit it, depending on the shape of her pussy and the angle your dick bends at and the position you’re fucking her in, but with just my fingers, doing what the guy is explaining in Squirting 101 I can make like 95% of the chicks I’m with squirt to an extent that blows their mind and leaves them twitching and useless and unable to form words as their legs quiver while we cuddle after, along with an understanding how chick’s orgasms/bodies/minds function to make that shit consistently easy to do to them regardless of their vagina size or my dick size etc because it’s just fingers.

    My point with this one is that there are different types of orgasms, not just P in V and you should know how to make her have all those other types of orgasms. If your mentality is “girls need to be railed hard with a huge dick to have an orgasm”, like, you have a lot of learning about getting chicks off to do lol G-Spot, Deep-Spot, A-Spot, Clitoral, figuring out her personal erogenous zones and fantasies and using that shit to get her to cum without even touching her pussy, like, you should be able to do this stuff and understand how their bodies work for that shit if you’re going to go out seducing a bunch of chicks. You don’t show up to a baseball game only knowing how to swing a bat. Swinging a bat is a great skill and useful to win the game, but there’s more to the fucking game than that lol

    I get that the older guys didn’t have the type of porn we have now so like, back in their day just fucking a girl missionary was basically what sex was, but like, educate yourself. Anyone who says “oh porn is all fake” is an idiot who hasn’t looked at porn in the last 10 years where tons of it is real people putting up their own homemade shit with tons of real orgasms achieved through tons of different ways. You should be studying that shit and learning from it and reading books and PDFs and forums and shit about getting girls off. You should have a whole fucking arsenal of moves in bed. Watch a bunch of lesbian porn and don’t fast-forward to the orgasm part, watch the whole boring slow build-up, that boring slow build-up isn’t just filling time, that shit is what builds up the orgasm payoff.

    The first time I hook up with a girl I often don’t even bother trying to P in V her because I will have her screaming and gushing like Cytherea till she can’t move and her pussy can’t take anymore, with just my tongue and fingers, and because most guys suck at sex half the time she’s laying there going “omg what did you DO to me???” because she’s never had a squriting/g-spot orgasm, so I know THAT’s going to be a bigger novelty than just getting railed, and that’s going to have her coming back for more because she knows she can’t get that from other guys. I could literally be dickless, or have a little one-inch nubbin down there or not take off my pants and it wouldn’t matter because I’m doing all this other shit.

    6) Too big hurts, there’s a spot I can’t remember the name of but it’s like the back wall of the pussy where if you ram into that it hurts like a bitch. Some girls who get off on actual pain will like that it hurts but those are the pain-fetish chicks which are kind of a niche market, for most girls it’s an instant “holy fuck stop ouch ouch ouch”, just like some dudes get off on girls kicking them in the balls but for most of us it’s a “holy fuck stop ouch ouch ouch” level of pain.

    7) It’s a helluva lot easier to convince a girl to do anal if you don’t have a huge dick lol “you won’t even notice it” I have a 5’2″ buddy who’s got a small dick and every girl he’s been with has taken it up the bum because it’s not as daunting as a monster cock. I’ve had a few girls where they wanted to do anal but they were too petite and we couldn’t get my dick in and we were both disappointed that we weren’t able to do it (without a ton of building-up and slow stretching her ass and all that, not real convenient for a same-night lay though)

    8) Ever tried throat-fucking a petite girl? It’s not even an option if she can’t get her mouth around your dick easily, let alone getting her teeth out of the way. A lot of girls LOVE to get roughly deep-throated, to where they’re gagging and choking and the back of their throat hurts the next day, it’s a huge submissive thing for their guy to just grab their head and throat-fuck them. Too big a dick and there are things you’re not able to do in bed.

    9) Let’s say dick size DOES matter. Now, I don’t know how you guys do pickup, but my pickups generally don’t involve whipping out my dick and a tape measure in the middle of the bar while she’s talking about how she loves her career in marketing. Like how do you guys visualize that she would even KNOW what your dick size is before you whip it out when you’re both about to actually fuck?? A girl doesn’t see my dick size or shape or my body or the actual flabbiness of my man boobs or the hair on my back or any other random insecurity I could come up with, until she’s so turned on that we are about to fuck. If I’m seducing her properly, she’s so turned on that whether I have an extra inch down there or a 6-pack or live in a nice mansion etc etc none of that shit will matter. I might put her hand on my cock thru my pants as part of the seduction process but like, it’s going to just be for a second to make her curious I’m not going to have it on there and hand her a tape measure lol

    Would she, on a self-survey, SAY she’d like a guy with a huge dick? Sure. Would she also say she’d like to fuck in a nice mansion bedroom with 5-star hotel cleanliness? Sure. But did the girls my buddy and I picked up around New Years fuck him in his dirty filthy bathroom and me on his shitty old futon? Yup. And are both of them texting us to hook up again? Yup. BUT TEH SELF-SURVEYSSss!!1 Are you going to say you want a girl with huge tits and a tiny waist and perfect ass and gorgeous face with perfect facial features and perfect personality traits etc on a self-survey? Sure. How many of you not only FUCK girls who AREN’T like that, but ENJOY fucking them and even MARRIED them? Fuck self-surveys lol

    When a girl is turned on, she’ll fuck whatever dick is in front of her. If she laughs you out of the room for your tiny 3″ dick it’s not because of your dick it’s because you suck ass at seduction and didn’t have her turned on to the point where she doesn’t care about that and/or you were subcommunicating being self-conscious about it and you should be studying how to get her off better and embracing your “flaw” the same way you’d embrace being “too old for her” etc. Make her squirt a few times before you even pull your dick out if you’re that concerned.

    It’s like this retarded boogeyman “she’s just gonna KNOW I have a little dick oh no!!!!” Yes if you’re banging social circle girls and you have a huge dick it might spread around and there will be girls curious to check it out. But that’s just passive game, it’s the same as the guys who worry about whether their belt matches their shoes, they’re focusing on passive game because their pro-active game is weak as shit and girls end up checking out whether their belt and shoes match and choosing them based on dick size rumors. “ohh but I saw a video on youtube where the guy had a camera on his crotch and girls were looking at it” fucking who cares that’s passive game, fuck passive game you’re learning SEDUCTION not “stand and look pretty and hope the 10 you want decides to come jump on your cock while you durrr around like a chode” game.

    And if that girl happens to, in particular, love P in V orgasms and hates foreplay (I’ve run into these types but they’re pretty rare in the same way that a guy who hates getting blowjobs exists but is rare, for most girls orgasms is orgasms and most of them haven’t felt G/Deep/A/etc. orgasms before (which all come with different feelings) so that shit is all new and exciting enough as it is for them to enjoy the sex), then ya, that particular size-queen type of girl might not call you back for another hookup and she’ll go chase the biggest dick she can find. That’s okay, these girls are rare and you have other girls on the go because you’re out in-field working on your game and actually seducing women to fuck them, not mentally masturbating in this comment section all day right?

    10) The idea that a guy with a big dick will fuck MORE women is just like, how do you even come to that conclusion in a logical way? Again in social circle maybe, because he can fuck based on his reputation, but off cold-approach??? That doesn’t make any fucking sense. Girls don’t know who’s dick is what size, and they aren’t walking out on a guy who just gave them a bunch of orgasms just because he whips his dick out and it’s smaller than she expected the exact same way you probably aren’t kicking out that chick who’s been blowing you for 10 minutes and has you on the edge of an orgasm just because she takes off her shirt and she’s a little chubbier than you realized. It MIGHT affect retention/return-visitor rate because logically you could make that argument (tho again, size queens is a niche market, not the common market, and again we have to account for her pussy size shape etc etc), but you would have to pull some serious mental gymnastics to explain how dick size would affect cold approach lay count and most of those explanations you could come up with would be solved with better game the same way needing a nice watch can be solved with better game.

    (I actually HAVE seen a girl laugh a dude out of a party for having too small a dick (jacked bodybuilder guy too) but it was because he was insecure about it and got pissed off and ran off which of course failing the shit-test just increased the laughter, whereas if he had played it cool like my little 5’2″ buddy would and just roll with it and suggest anal in a confident way he’d’ve passed the teasing shit-test instead of over-reacting and showing weakness and inviting a bombardment of jackal on prey behavior)

    11) You know WHY a lot of girls place a lot of importance on P in V sex in self-surveys? Because most of the guys who read the shit I’m writing right now don’t actually DO this shit with girls so all girls have to judge sex by IS P in V because all these guys think “I just have to shove it in and jackhammer away as long as possible and that’s good sex” and they haven’t even squirted before or cum till they blackout or get Jamed Deen roughhandled etc. So all they can really go by IS the one move every guy does every fucking time lol

    And I’m not even getting into actual kinks and bringing her personal fantasies to life and shit, there’s a whole nother WORLD of fun options there, while most guys are just railing away as hard as they can or fingerbanging as hard and fast as they can because it totally worked on Sally in high school brah trust me I know what I’m doing brah And I’m not even bringing up that James Deen just has a normal sized cock etc because we already went over the James Deen shit for 10 pages.

    12) Now I’m not saying having a big dick is BAD (although as I’ve pointed out there are situations where it’s not ideal), and yes, there are girls out there that prefer a nice big dick, but the amount of chickens-with-their-head-cut-off nonsense I see grown men going through about the subject without doing any logical rational thinking, like, this is such a retarded thing to worry about lol Like does anyone even KNOW how to get girls off?? Is this a junior high school boy’s locker room where all anyone knows about sex is what they heard some other kid tell them about sex? You have the entire fucking internet at your fingertips to learn this shit. Being a good lay should be a hobby you enjoy learning about and getting better at if you want to go out picking up random girls.

    And finally here are some tips, from a guy who’s just got a nice normal average dick nothing special, and is too out of shape to thrust away for 30 min lol:

    1) in missionary position, lift her legs up to your shoulders so she’s knees to her chest and fuck her that way, it changes how shit is angled/shaped/squeezing and makes your dick feel bigger to her

    2) if you want to increase the odds of her orgasming from P in V, start by using oral/fingers to get her off a couple times, so that she’s aroused as fuck (side note: you want to give her a couple orgasms before making her squirt too, trying to make her squirt off no build-up is tougher, again download Squirting 101 with Cytherea and watch the dude with the wristband explaining shit and how the other guy keeps fucking it up because he isn’t doing the right hand position and how easily it happens when you do it right and look for the clip with the asian chick and the timer at the end too). Then build up to her next orgasm but this time DON’T push her over the edge, when you feel her getting close to the edge just pull your tongue back and lightly kiss around her mound or thighs or lightly slowly graze your tongue around without touching her clit or pussy lips etc and just keep teasing her on the edge like that for a while, as her body calms down after a minute of not doing anything, keep going and tease her up to the edge again and back off etc etc She’ll be begging but just keep her on the edge…

    Do that for a bit and, when she’s on the edge, THEN condom up (safety first) and slide inside her. If you’re sliding your dick in there just out of the blue with no build-up, you might make her cum from P in V but you’d better have some good cardio ’cause you’re turning that radio dial from like a 2 to a 10. Why not get the dial up to a 9 and THEN stick your dick in? Common fucking sense here lol This is pretty much my standard M.O. because I am chubby and out of shape with zero cardio so I can’t thrust for long I need to cheat lol They’ll usually end up cumming in under a minute of thrusting and from there it’s not real difficult to get them to keep cumming, it’s that initial one that’s the toughy.

    3) Combine the number 2 edging shit with the legs up position from number 1, espeically after giving her a g-spot orgasm or two, and she’s not going to have any real complaints about your dick lol

    4) and if you’re still concerned after all of this, stock some fucking toys in your kink drawer to bust out on her. Tie her up and get her off with them. Learn how to fist a girl safely. Use your fucking imagination lol

    5) read the big James Deen discussion in my archives for shit about dominance leading etc and how that shit is more important during sex than a 12″ dick or jacked muscles lol

    Worrying about the size of your dick is like saying “no one will want to go on a road trip with me because the windows in my car are manual instead of automatic”. It’s such a small part of a overall road trip that to me it indicates that the person saying it doesn’t even really understand how a car works, or why a road trip is fun, or what value other people get out of going on a road trip with them or how to make a road trip fun for their partner.

    The fact that I have to even write this post and guys don’t already go out and figure this shit out for themselves (by doing their homework with porn and instructional material, and going out in-field and actually pulling and fucking girls and trying all this shit out on them), is why I end up fucking so many dissatisfied wives and girlfriends of other guys. Of ANYONE, the guys in a forum about seducing women should be at the fore-front of understanding all this shit already…if YOU guys don’t get it, and your HOBBY is trying to fuck women, the average Joe out there sure doesn’t get it. And then their girl fucks me and they go look up penis enlargement shit thinking THAT was his problem because he doesn’t understand basic fucking attraction.

    And if you want to REALLY understand what I’m explaining, here’s an experiment you can do that none of you will actually do because it involves discomfort and risk and is SCARY and most guys are too in scarcity to fuck around with something like this (because they aren’t going out and pushing their sets to full-close sex enough):

    Try this: Don’t fuck any of your next 10+ girls. No P in V. With all of them make up an excuse (back pain or your dick hurts from jacking off too hard or something or hell make up a fake STD, say you got tested and have chlamydia and are on a round of pills and don’t want her to catch it so we can’t do P in V this time till it’s cleared up, etc etc). POP-QUIZ HOTSHOT! NOW WHAT DO YOU DO? Shit!! You have to somehow satisfy this girl in bed, AND give her an amazing enough experience that she’s texting you wanting to hook up again, but you can’t do P in V…do you have the sexual skillset to still blow her mind and get her to come back begging for more? If you DON’T, if removing P in V neuters 90% of your sexual arsenal, then re-read this post and get studying and practicing and going out in-field because that shit means your sexual skillset is weak and limited and needs work.

    Another experiment: no sticking anything in her pussy. See if you can give them a mind-blowing enough experience without even opening their pussy lips to where they’ll come back for more. This should be EASY for you especially if you bring out stuff like blindfolds and handcuffs etc. Learn to get them to the edge and just drive them wild for hours till you can make them cum with full-body shaking “can’t form coherent sentences afterward” intensity just by lightly blowing across their clit, or lightly grazing a fingertip over it or sliding the tiny little tip of your pink finger between their pussy lips, nothing deep inside their pussy required. Make P in V off-limits until the rest of your skills make up for however small your stupid dick is lol

    My dick could get chopped off by a psycho girl (knock on wood aka mah dick lol) or I could get the herp or something and no longer have a dick to fuck a girl with and I would STILL be able to get girls wanting to come over to hook up with me for repeat business because I understand and am good at all this other shit. You guys should all be working on developing that if you’re going to be this big pickup player seduction badass

  11. +1 on ‘congruence’. But unlike Blaximus I do believe in “fake it till you make it”, because that works for some men. If it takes “I’m playing the role of Art Alpha tonite” to get some Game rolling, then do it.

    Just pick techniques that work with your personality – agree & amplify, bratty-little-sister, whatever. Pick small problems to deal with and run that Game.

    Philosophy statement: from reading Blaximus, scribblerg, Forge, and a lot more I conclude that when a man looks at his LTR / wife and says “Where’s the girlie that she was?” he should immediately look at himself and ask “Am I the man she was attracted to?” and if a whole bunch of butthurt / muh feelings / emotion erupts, then that man has some work to do in his own head, starting with confronting the reality of his own betatude.

    Because it’s easy for most men to slide into betaness, to comfort. Been there, done that, climbing way out of it. I have consciously set up situations where I am all but certain to Display Higher Value, and seen the response.

    Game works. It takes practice for those of us that aren’t all that natural, but so what? What’s your peace of mind, your mental and physical health worth? Failing shit tests means more yelling and shit testing, which jacks up the fight or flight response in a man’s amygdala, and that can lead to high blood pressure & other health problems. Dealing with that stuff on the home front on the other hand leads to greater confidence in general.

    Someone said up thread “ZFG is a way of life”. Seconded. Good for your health, too.

  12. ” On top of that when it comes to sex most women haven’t even HAD good sex. Because most guys are shit in bed. Which again comes down to the same thing with muscles and money: if you are boring as fuck, then yes, those things will help you because you’re giving her nothing else to base her opinion on and she has to resort to those but if you would step up and make emotional impacts on women and quit being a fucking dialtone of mundane flatline emotions (or very slowly raising emotions, or only positive emotions never any negative ones) she wouldn’t give a shit whether your belt matches your custom leather shoes or your dick is an extra inch or not. The guys who are hung up on that shit I can almost GUARANTEE are running fucking weak game and don’t realize it because it might still be better than the average guy’s game.”

    Lol….

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    1. So I’m going to take a poll here. Niko’s latest video renouncing MGTOW gave me an idea.

      What would the interest be like if I were to do a monthly talk with him on YouTube this year?

      Maybe an hour a month.

      1. @Rollo

        So I’m going to take a poll here. Niko’s latest video renouncing MGTOW gave me an idea.

        What would the interest be like if I were to do a monthly talk with him on YouTube this year?

        Maybe an hour a month.

        Sure, why not, but since he’s not MGTOW it would take away the fun.

        I say that because regardless of the camp, the two should embrace the ultimate commonalities.

        I, for one, would be more interested in you engaging with Groundwork for the Metaphysics of MGTOW.  His series on Feminist Epistemology are ones that provide the intellectual content that is reminiscent of your stuff, and his channel is particularly less filled with the vitriol of the incorrigibles and commoners that frequent YouTube RP channels.

  13. Lol, I’m not finished Ya’s post yet but he’s on fire.

    ” I get that the older guys didn’t have the type of porn we have now so like, back in their day just fucking a girl missionary was basically what sex was, but like, educate yourself…”

    Lmao. Nah, not the case for the crowds I ran in back in the day. Missionary was for when you were tired as hell. I found g-spots before I knew they had a name, and I figured out clitoral stimulation by stimulating chicks clitoris.es..sss….whatever the plural is. Ya you killing me here..lol, You think us old dudes weren’t Masters Of Sex back in the day?

  14. @Scribblerg

    “Pedantic factotums like me will point out philosophical issues and remonstrate you.” That’s fine with me. That’s the reason why I comment is to hopefully add value and also receive correction if I’m off track. Both benefit me and because learning can be dynamic I trust the process benefits others as well. I’m not here to waste anyone’s time.

    “the patronizing and denigrating way you described Red Pill men. but even worse was how reductionist it was. Many men here are not men who’ve been divorced, yet that his how you characterized Red Pill men in that post.”

    Can you help me see where you see this? I don’t want to hijack this post so feel free to post it directly on my post or email me or ping me on twitter or whatever. If it’s okay, post it here. Doesn’t matter, I just want your feedback because it wasn’t my intention to be patronizing and denigrating in my description so I do want to correct it.

    I use divorce as an example of the moment of swallowing a major red pill because in my experience that “awakening” is traumatic. However, the state of being red pill is obviously one of strength that I admire very much. Perhaps I need to distinguish the phases I’m describing “Swallowing pill >> transformation >> Red Pill Mindset” better as I think we are all at our lowest after swallowing the pill and have some really rough patches during the transformation but seeing the light is a brand new world. I must not have been clear that I was talking about the low point, not the general character of a red pill man.

    Also, I’m divorced, mother of two. My sphere of influence has been for the most part around that same age and my introduction to red pill was through a crowd where divorce was a big subject. I didn’t learn about it from pick up. I went backwards, if you will, starting with a study of broken relationships and searching for the source; studying culture, sexuality, men and women and I moved backwards in time, ultimately stumbling upon pickup, game and red pill.

    Anyway, your feedback is appreciated. I have no intention of being anything but civil. I also don’t intend to take a lot of shit just for entertainment value. So far my experience has been very good.

    I’m not avoiding reading Rollo’s work. I have every intention to dig in. I bought his books and am interested in reading more. (But I will start with the Best of First! I promise! 😉 Rollo is not the first person I’ve encountered with Red Pill insights though so while I am new to Rollo, I am not necessarily new to Red Pill. And even when I was going through my transformation, no one called it Red Pill but it’s completely congruent with the Red Pill beliefs I’m discovering. However, maybe the philosophies diverge somewhere and as I dig deeper, I will find out. I am trying to articulate a mindset that seems to fit Red Pill to a feminine audience in my blog because it has changed my life and I believe there is a need and this mindset can address that need well. My growth as a person and a writer is a process. I have some different challenges as my audience, their objections and their limiting beliefs are going to be different from the ones here as are the goals. But the fundamentals, to me, appear to be the same.

    And while I may be a noob and will look back on my comments here today and roll my eyes with embarrassment, I also don’t really care if I haven’t got it all figured out yet. I have never learned a damn thing by sitting on the bench. I know enough to have confidence in myself and assurance that my contributions add value. And if my contributions add value because I say something insightful, great. And if my contributions add value because I say something totally false and am corrected by the group, then so be it. That’s still a win/win.

    I will do my homework. Thanks for your comment.

    xoxo, Kitten

    PS. Thank you for addressing me as Kitten 🙂 I much prefer Kitten

  15. @Ya – Lol, talk about going off. I didn’t see anyone but Toad getting all worked up about this. And contrary to subcomms and game etc, actual sex is physical. Size may have some impact. I’m interested but not invested. LIke height, I don’t think about it and it never rented any space in my head – even with the chick who had the cavernous vadge. I didn’t feel bad, I felt like, “wow that is the biggest cunt I’ve ever fucked”. I think I lost my car keys in there… As an aside to Caveclown, it’s funny for me to hear you so focused on height. I’m barely 5’8″ and simply never think about it. I may get more cantankerous with men (as Andy pointed out) but that’s just cuz I decided at a very young age to not take shit from anyone and many a bully picks on smaller guys. Call me “pre-loaded”, or is it half-cocked?

    That said, Ya – what you shared about sexual technique is gold, thanks. The whole “edging” thing is something I discovered a long time ago. A women gets very turned on by playing with the areas outside and surrounding the labia. As well, areas around the nipple, small of the back, neck, inner thighs etc. Running your fingers around and noticing what causes is a response is quite instructive. But some of the other stuff you cite is new to me, thanks. I also turn the tables on girls who are in a rush to try and get me off with a blowjob. They just keep sucking instead of working the rest of the area and doing other things to arouse. I love giving blowjob training. I start off by saying, “Are you trying to please me or just make me cum as quick as you can?” Most have never been asked the question before. I think the same applies to men. They don’t know how to get woman off so they go at the pussy like they are chewing on beef jerky and get so intense about making a woman cum that it gets all fucked up. Focus on arousal and building. My favorite thing to do is bring them to the edge then back down, do it again, then back down. This is also the route to multiple orgasms. 🙂

    No, I didn’t order a bathmate this morning either…In fact, I think I said I was interested in your take and am glad to have it,

  16. Ya says-

    ” Another experiment: no sticking anything in her pussy. See if you can give them a mind-blowing enough experience without even opening their pussy lips to where they’ll come back for more. This should be EASY for you especially if you bring out stuff like blindfolds and handcuffs etc. Learn to get them to the edge and just drive them wild for hours till you can make them cum with full-body shaking “can’t form coherent sentences afterward” intensity just by lightly blowing across their clit, or lightly grazing a fingertip over it or sliding the tiny little tip of your pink finger between their pussy lips, nothing deep inside their pussy required. ”

    *chuckle* I’m glad you said it because every time I thought of trying to get these thoughts across it looked like I was writing porn or something and I figured no one wanted to read it. You’ve busted through the glass ceiling. Thanks a bunch.

    The thing is any guy can do this, all men can be absolutely amazing in bed, all men can enjoy this as an amazing experience for themselves and the women will pray to you as a Sex God. ( don’t hold me to that last on though ).

  17. @Blax – Cosign, fucking younger guys now think they invented hot sex, lol. I was fortunate though. When I was 20, a 35 yr old nymphomaniac got hold of me for a few months. The second time I was fucking her she said, “Just stop.” I replied, “Why?”, my pride hurt. She said, “you have no idea what you are doing”, this stung even more. Then she said, “But I’ll teach you” and suddenly I thought “this could be fun”. She first taught me to make her come just by playing with her tits and fingering her – and then we moved on . It was like 9.5 weeks, only I was Kim Basinger.

    She used to masturbate covertly in the passenger seat while we were driving. I was a bit to inexperienced to quite appreciate a freak like her, but still, every time a woman has given me the “omigod you are amazing” thing since I say, “Thank Barbara”.

    Lesson for you gals out there. Don’t hesitate to teach your men, we are mostly eager learners.

  18. @Anonymous Reader

    ” Because it’s easy for most men to slide into betaness, to comfort. Been there, done that, climbing way out of it. I have consciously set up situations where I am all but certain to Display Higher Value, and seen the response. ”

    Cosign.

    It’s easy for guys to slip into betahood because society encourages such, 24/7. All of the ” relationship advice ” slips a betanoose around your neck.

    I agree with the tactic of setting up situations to display higher value. Absolutely. I hardly ever let a chance like that pass.

  19. @All – Isn’t it nice to see Kitten purring?

    @Kitten – As for the post, it was how you described Red Pillers as guys who had been frivorced, as I said. It was also how you were coaching women to be careful and supportive about the issue and how gunshy we are. We can move on from that, your commentary here makes clear you understand a bit more than I gave you credit for.

    I think you nailed something square on wrt the anger phase for sure. In a way, what we are about here is pulling men through the anger phase to a place of empowerment. I need no special handling now, even though I went through the scenario of being divorced after being a great provider, father and “partner”. I’m no longer angry at women, in fact I’m a huge fan.

    In fact, I’m working on “old man game” – at 53. It’s starting to become fun and doing so has had me utterly change. Hard to put it in words, but suffice it to say that I feel more alive than I have since my then-wife left me a very long time ago. Turns out I never got over it…. :0

  20. @Rollo – I don’t know what you see in Niko, but maybe it’s just me or a I had a bad hair day when listening to him or something. I will give him another try and see if I can connect. It would be great to hear you once a month so regardless of my peccadilloes.

  21. @scribblerg-

    Yup. Now-a-days when I see porn, I think to myself ” he’s doing it wrong…”, lol.

    Older chicks can be a godsend when you’re younger. Older women are more confident and definitely more vocal. Junior year there was a Home Ec. teacher who was in her late 20’s-early 30’s, who never quite rejected my sexual advances, but instead she kept telling me I wasn’t ready for a woman. I stopped by her house almost every day during summer break and chatted her up through her screen door until eventually she let me in ” to get some water “. She gave my ass the E-Ticket ride ( all holes ) into the night. She expanded my knowledge base by getting me so worked up I would’ve drank her bathwater, and then she taught me to slow down and focus that energy.

    Bless. Her. heart. lol, wherever she is now she’s in her in her late 60’s I’d imagine. Maybe even 70.

  22. mmmm… the FI is taking over the Red-Pill. At least they came to a rationale choice on where to gather data/ideas…

  23. @Pinelero – You know that your dick has uses other than furious self-flagellation while you watch other people have sex on a screen, right?

  24. “What would the interest be like if I were to do a monthly talk with him on YouTube this year?”

    Personally, I celebrate your entire catalog.

  25. Rollo,

    I think it would be cool to see a talk with Niko. I find him interesting and I wouldn’t mind hearing more of his thoughts and ideas.

  26. @Anonymous Reader

    There has been LARPing, AMOGing, and shit testing by both the standard RP/Game proponents, just as there has been with the random RP/MGTOW proponents in this thread, with ScribblerG being foremost.

    Not all RP dualists are like this, and not all MGTOW are like that. I’ve read volumes from both camps, and they are extremely diverse.

    I’m one for no one telling anyone what the fuck to do, in any context, but being bitchy and catty is feminine, and while the posters here are free to do that, it’s an interesting choice.

    Each man has to be self-motivated and handle his own shit. You can do that whether you Game or MGTOW.

    I know Gamer proponents who couldn’t care less about being bothered with women, and I know MGTOW who date.

    I like who Rollo doesn’t tell anyone what the fuck to do. I’m surprised by what I perceive to be his disrespect for men who choose MGTOW, because I haven’t seen where anyone has fucked with him or tried to bear false witness against him, but that’s his choice. If I had to guess it’s because it’s hard to respect those we perceive to be quitters, and moreover, who try to impute hopelessness on those who refuse to do so. In that vein, again, I see how the contempt can manifest.

    No matter what we choose to do, we should keep it pushing and stay in our lane and handle our own shit, because mastering ourselves is really the goal.

    You can’t trust women. And because you can’t trust them you either game them or avoid them. Both are legit choices.

    As a Christ follower, I don’t trust or believe I’ll ever meet a woman who believes or loves him the way I do, so I won’t marry a Christian woman unless she can prove to me that she does. And I’m not holding my breath. I don’t fear a lukewarm Christian woman, they are just not worthy of me…as most women aren’t, because most women don’t know or love God – at all.

    I’ll be MGTOW and engage respectfully and socially and even date, and when I find a woman who loves God the same or with a greater extent as I, then she will get a ticket to the game.

    Until then, I’m doing stuff for me, stacking up my cash, being the fittest and strongest 50 year old in my city, kicking ass and making a difference in the lives of the poor, hopeless, disenfranchised, sick, and spiritually broken.

    I’ve gone my own way until a woman proves worthy of me. I’m anxious for nothing nor afraid of the natural corrupt and wicked nature of all women, nor of being shit-tested or AMOG’d by some sooty bros using shaming language on other men. That’s pussy shit, not challenging at all.
    If we are all sovereign individuals, then we stay in our own lane and let other brothers stand or fall on their own merits or efforts.

  27. “I’ve gone my own way until a woman proves worthy of me” – So that’s the game then, claim none have met your standards after 50 years on this earth? Lol, you can bullshit yourself, but please, you are transparent to the rest of us. You are entitled to run your life as you see fit but you aren’t entitled to my respect. I think you are a fucking joke, and too goddamn bad if you don’t like it.

  28. Well I tried escalating and being sexual (random make out attempts) with the wife tonight and was thoroughly rebuffed lol.

    She said basically to stop invading her personal space because she was going to have a panic attack (which she legit does have sometimes, ugh). Now my inner beta is fucking with me saying “she needs you to be really comforting tonight.” I wish it would just shut the fuck up lol.

  29. Yareally
    “My dick could get chopped off by a psycho girl (knock on wood aka mah dick lol) or I could get the herp or something and no longer have a dick to fuck a girl with and I would STILL be able to get girls wanting to come over to hook up with me”

    So, guys, gain weight, don’t lift, put a cheap T-shirt, and now, you don’t need your dick!
    Biology and evolution is finally defeated lol.

  30. @Pedat:
    http://therationalmale.com/2013/03/19/quality-women/

    Making your necessity a virtue only roots you in place. Do you have any idea how many men (even in the christo-sphere) I’ve known who claim the same self-defeating moral high-ground you are?

    Isolation is dangerous my friend:
    http://therationalmale.com/2015/03/01/the-isolationists/

    I’ve stated many times before, I don’t have a problem with the majority of MGTOWs. For the most part I understand the desire to be free from playing the Game and focusing on personal leisure and development. It’s when that desire comes from a nihilistic fear of women and their livelihoods being threatened by even engaging with women that it becomes rationalized paranoia and / or a cop out for an inability to make a connection with women.

    Mixing MGTOW with Christianity is nothing new; it’s always easier to claim your isolationism is God’s will than to get out in the real world and risk rejection.

    1. @Rollo

      @Pedat:
      http://therationalmale.com/2013/03/19/quality-women/

      Making your necessity a virtue only roots you in place. Do you have any idea how many men (even in the christo-sphere) I’ve known who claim the same self-defeating moral high-ground you are?

      I appreciate you, and I hope my pontificating doesn’t lead one to believe it’s that deep for me.

      I read the Quality Women piece when it came out, and I agree with it wholeheartedly…well that part which I understand.

      That being, there is no such thing as a Quality Women, either objectively or subjectively, and as such we have to accept them as they are, and play that hand.  I’m cool with that.

      How about I’d prefer one at least close to being on my level, (which the average so-called Christian woman is not) at least as far as my faith is concerned…which I wouldn’t label as Christianity, but I don’t bristle at it nor will I be a hoe about it and make a big deal over the specifics of my faith.

      Moreover, I’m certain you wouldn’t advocate any man of faith settling for the present congress of Christian women louts who are faithless and morally bankrupt?

      I associate with a few women who self-identify as Christians, all of whom would marry me if I asked, and a couple would even have my child if I were down with that.   And oddly enough when I ask them why they even want a man of faith when they would piss on Christ if they met him because they don’t love him or are even interested in doing what he says…they just stare at me like they can’t believe what I just said.  In the past year I’ve had intimate conversations with at least two dozen of them and none of them have an answer or response to my question…yet the texts and emails keep coming and they make no bones about wanting to sleep with me.  Bizarre.

      Sometimes I just engage just to study them.  How could one or does one even love them once you come into RP knowledge?  You can’t really.

      Isolation is dangerous my friend:
      http://therationalmale.com/2015/03/01/the-isolationists/

      I’ve stated many times before, I don’t have a problem with the majority of MGTOWs. For the most part I understand the desire to be free from playing the Game and focusing on personal leisure and development. It’s when that desire comes from a nihilistic fear of women and their livelihoods being threatened by even engaging with women that it becomes rationalized paranoia and / or a cop out for an inability to make a connection with women.

      Mixing MGTOW with Christianity is nothing new; it’s always easier to claim your isolationism is God’s will than to get out in the real world and risk rejection.

      I appreciate you…again, but neither fear nor rejection is my issue.   I don’t blame or give Father Yahweh credit for anything I do, especially concerning women…other than me being thankful that I didn’t marry the last girl or the girl before that.  I do credit Him for being able to know which types of women are on His team and those who are not.  Still waiting for that.

      I admittedly have some cognitive dissonance.  I technically should be pumping and dumping, but that’s tiring.

      I have zero problems attracting and engaging with HB8’s and above, believers or not…and can get laid probably every day of the week, but I just can’t endure them too long.  They ultimately say something that reminds me why I prefer MGTOW (or maybe being a confirmed bachelor is a better descriptor), because…as GOOFY as this sounds…if I do fornicate…it would be nice to do it with someone whom I wouldn’t at least have to take a muriatic acid bath in after the deed was done.

      So I’d rather not bother.

      Sometimes my mind wanders and I say “well I guess I might as well take these broads up on it, and sort it all out later on judgment day”.  But when I was “out there”, every girl I had sex with wanted me to immediately be exclusive or be their boyfriend; and nexting simply got old.   I’m terrible at game.  Perhaps that is the problem.

      Either that or I’m a misogynist…or at least a misanthrope…or should just renounce the faith.  LOL. Bah.

      The men in the Christian manosphere circles would say marry, practice dread, don’t fear frivorce or other possible transgressions, and have faith.

      My faith isn’t there yet.

  31. @YaReally

    I enjoy reading your posts, I want to get good at the game but I have trouble in getting started. So far I went out only two times in like 4 weeks, it fucking sucks I know. I must improve.

    But, there is so much info out there regarding pickup to the point I don’t know where to start. Mystery Method? Juggler Method? RSD stuff? I don’t know what to do, when I went out I spent most of the time wandering around the club, my mind blank, trying to come up with something to open a girl, but the only thing I can come up with is a variant of “the club is sure slow tonight!” and that is it. I tried to use some canned openers but I didn’t use them because they sounded completely out of context. The few times I started a conversation they barely lasted because my mind went blank, I couldn’t think of anything else to talk.

    What do you recommend here? I’ll appreciate any help.

  32. “Junior year there was a Home Ec. teacher….”

    Holy hell I love the stories Blax. Top shelf.

    Having those kinda cajones is an inspiration. And maybe a bit timely, it just struck me today how I’m kinda starting to throw some of the same vibe out lately – just a little bit. My brain was trying to figure out if I should freak out about that, if something bad was going to come of it, but I think nah. I’m just not used to running on intuition instead of careful logic.

    It really just boils down to loving women enough that interacting with them just happens without effort, and then being shameless about how enjoying women can escalate into sexual circumstances sometimes. Like, I was teasing this girl I know today simply because she’s super fun to tease, and pulled out some kino and innuendo and shit just because the circumstance warranted it and it was fun, and at some point I realized I kinda wanted to fuck her and that was contributing to the whole vibe even though it wasn’t gonna happen due to logistics and the fact that she’s a newlywed lol.

    She certainly didn’t mind the sexual energy though! Sexual vibing doesn’t have to end in fucking, it can be really refreshing just at the attraction stage. At least for me, thankfully – friend’s wives tend to develop things for me.

  33. @Rollo, I’ll give Nico a larger listen tomorrow and let you know what I think of the matchup.

    @Kitten, oh I’ve got some criticism for you. But I’ll save it for comments at your blog sometime soon. Don’t worry, I don’t bite. Too hard.

  34. @Kitten, there’s no nice way to type this so please pay attention. You’ve already begun your comments here like every other ‘Red Pill’ woman who’s ever participated on TRM; with a measure of faux timidity and permission asking meant to disguise what you’d really like to comment.

    TRM is an open forum. Anyone can post here and I don’t moderate or delete comments, nor do I ban commenters unless they engage in blatant and repeated spamming. Your input here is as welcome as anyone else’s.

    That said, TRM is a hot kitchen, and you can expect to be called to the carpet and back up your positions. No man (or woman) is going to measure their challenging you because of your sex. Your feminine sensitivities will not be honored here to save you from sometimes harsh truths.

    So, some advice before you engage. Read the books and the Best Of links that were suggested to you. Don’t come here unprepared, especially if you intend to challenge particulars “as a woman,…” Many women get offended and decide to pop off here without any foreknowledge of what’s been discussed and then expect myself or some other helpful man here to hold their hands and link them all the pertinent posts (which they only skim through) to catch them up.

    Do us all a favor, don’t be that woman, do your homework before you engage.

  35. Man, the comments keep on comin’!

    @Dutchman

    Props, man! The chance of success for this little experiment were approximately zero – if you count success as being ‘she reacted in a sexual way.’

    Are you measuring success in that way? I sure hope not. Eventually, yes, that will be the barometer. But at this point your behavior has become so stifled that just taking a fist and pounding against the cage a bit is healthy for you.

    So this was a success in discovering that a) I can actually do things that she doesn’t approve of; and b) I didn’t die even if it was kinda scary.

    For now that’s a win. But the whole circumstance, your frame, the relationship is so off-kilter at this point that things that should work and that should be happening just don’t. When my relationships have been good my girl would fuck my in the back seat of a tiny rental car in a not-very-empty parking lot with a single word (that word was ‘Backseat?’ with a cocked eyebrow lol, see it’s nothing magic). When it was bad three hours of close attention and good game weren’t enough to get anything going.

    So now – ZFG! Tattoo it to the inside of your eyelids. ZFG. You didn’t do anything wrong! You tried to playfully have sex with your wife. If she gives you shit you don’t have to be an aloof hardass about it, but your frame should be kinda like ‘What? What’s the deal? I wanted to have fun with you. You weren’t in the mood, oh well shit happens. Better luck to both of us next time lol.’ If she persists just tease her about it, in a nice way. See, your impulse will probably be to think OK! ZFG, here we go!! and then rationalize how your being passive-aggressive and butthurt about it is actually you being ZFG, and be all like ‘Well I guess I can’t control your mood, if you don’t want to have a good time that’s your own loss.’ Haha! That’ll sure show her!

    So yeah, aim for the former not the latter.

    To lubricate the whole circumstance much better, the first thing I would aim for is to find organic ways to generate soft dread. Maybe you find a favorite bar to hang at some nights. Maybe you start helping an estrogen-soaked nonprofit. Maybe you discover you have a thing for cooking, and join a mostly-younger-women cooking class lol. Maybe you just learn to flirt again, with whatever women happens to be in front of you. Whatever floats your boat. But you need to change the ecosystem, and you need to not look like that’s what you’re doing.

    Modern life makes men sneaky fuckers out of necessity.

  36. hey @digireaper

    I’m no YaReally, but let’s see if I can give you an appetizer at least in case Ya is too busy to serve the main course.

    OK, sounds like you’re going out at least a bit. That puts you ahead of the great majority, props. You’ll never get anywhere without that.

    Second – you’re plumbing for reading material? If you’ve read a lot of YaReally you’ve basically got the best resource. But if you want something more systematic, read the Mystery Method. It’s usually what Ya recommends people to understand as the fundamentals. And watch RSD videos for the mindsets on display and the infields, and just in general to pump you up. I like watching a Tyler vid before I go out, I just resonate with the vibe he puts off somehow.

    There’s a shit-ton you could read, and YaReally has some post that I can’t find off the cuff where he outlines every bit of material he thinks is essential for a PUA to know in 2016. One of the vids in it is ‘Rapid Escalation’ by Liam Mcrae. But I wouldn’t get too bound up in watching/reading everything at first. I’d just hit this site for the internals, MM for the externals and system, and RSD stuff for inspiration.

    “I don’t know what to do, when I went out I spent most of the time wandering around the club, my mind blank, trying to come up with something to open a girl, but the only thing I can come up with is a variant of “the club is sure slow tonight!” and that is it. I tried to use some canned openers but I didn’t use them because they sounded completely out of context. The few times I started a conversation they barely lasted because my mind went blank, I couldn’t think of anything else to talk.”

    This is common to the point of being universal for a newbie. Set your bar low enough that you can jump over it at first. Me? At first I didn’t dare do anything but stand in the corner of a club with a beer held in a white-knuckled fist. So I told myself, OK, you have to hit the dance floor and get moving. So I did that – it took a few times to really get into it. Then I started trying to dance with people, with mixed reactions, but each attempt was a success to me. At some point people started talking to me occasionally, making eye contact, whatever, so I got a bit more comfortable that you can talk to strangers it’s fine.

    After that, I tried my first approaches. Fucking terrified at first, but you need to just let yourself get caught up in a moment where you just DO IT. I opened three sets my first night and was thrilled. One fizzled like immediately, one went ok for a minute or two then I ran out of things to say and it got awkward, and one went quite well – some married girl that I got on well with and her shy, single friend who seemed really into me but didn’t want to flirt in front of her friends or some shit, damn ASD lol. I tried a bit too hard to go after her once or twice later on and the married girl who I got on well with yelled at me and told me to fuck off.

    And ya know? I look back at that night very fondly, because I actually fucking opened sets! Who cares if they were terrible, you don’t play a tune the first time you pick up a guitar.

    So, goals – go out more. Shoot for 1x/wk to start, just fucking do it, it’s easier than you think after the first few times, it starts taking a lot less energy when it’s something routine and not novel and hyper stimulating. Open fucking sets. Open all – just talk to the damn bouncer and the bartender, talk to the two dudes by the bar, just warm up, talk to the ugly chick for a bit, just get your brain down from the ‘AAAH I need to talk to this girl JUST RIGHT SO THAT SHE’LL FUCK ME or else I’m a FAILURE at game!!!’ that your brain is going to want to do if you view each interaction as being a do-or-die thing. You need to get your vibe like, ‘Oh, hey, a person. I guess I’ll talk to them, what to say, huh, that’s a weird-looking watch, I’ll just mention that and see where it goes…hey, this girl is actually kinda hot, maybe I should keep talking to her….her hair looks nice, I’m going to tease her about that thing in it so I have an excuse to touch it…’ and on it goes.

    Good luck man. Post field reports as things emerge.

  37. @Pedat

    Interesting commentary. My first thought – Christianity emphasizes that its followers are corrupt and imperfect. It also emphasizes that men are to be the spiritual leaders of a household and church, and that women are simply to do as they say in such matters. So I suppose I’m a bit confused by your insistence that any woman you date be highly spiritually advanced. Why not treat them as water ready to take on the shape of your vessel, rather than as clay that’s been poorly molded? Women are more malleable than you might think. Sure, they might take on a different form if you next them, but that doesn’t change what you can make them while they’re around.

    Second, did you read Artisanal Toad’s comment upthread? If you’re as popular with the ladies as you say, you should have little issue creating a polygynous circumstance, which may be appealing.

    Third, it actually kinda sounds like you hate women. And maybe people too. I had no respect for the first girl I slept with – she horrified me in some ways – but my impulse was to help her as best as I could. Misguided, but a far cry from wanting to take an acid bath to cleanse myself of the reek lol. And yet you’re here.

    I think you have some cognitive dissonance going on. Some sort of unresolved fear or pain manifesting itself in misanthropy, even as you find yourself unable to really disengage fully.

    http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/but-thats-none-of-my-business-gif.jpg

  38. @Forge

    “Props, man! The chance of success for this little experiment were approximately zero – if you count success as being ‘she reacted in a sexual way.’

    Are you measuring success in that way? I sure hope not. Eventually, yes, that will be the barometer. But at this point your behavior has become so stifled that just taking a fist and pounding against the cage a bit is healthy for you.”

    My criteria for success was just that I do it and not supplicate when she gave me shit about it lol. I succeeded in doing that so I’m pretty happy with that.

  39. “So, guys, gain weight, don’t lift, put a cheap T-shirt, and now, you don’t need your dick!”

    I loled.

  40. @scrib

    “@Dutch – You are getting great advice technically from the other guys but I think that first you should look inward at your “internal game”. I may be biased but it was when I changed my thinking, that is when my behavior changed. A few thoughts:

    – You see your wife’s “disrespect” as a reflection of your own value. You are too invested in how she sees you. This tells me that you aren’t “the prize” yet. When you get there, you will laugh and see her whining about you either as a shit test or a just a burden of leadership and you will laugh it off. Leaders get complaints, that’s just how it is. ”

    My internals are pretty fucked. I’m embarrassed about everything and while I see certain aspects of my personality as extremely high value (intellect, independence, rationality, humor) I’m not not only embarrassed about my sexuality as a normal man, I’m embarrassed, basically, about being human lol. For example, if I’m watching a youtube video and someone comes into the room, I always pause it so they won’t hear what I’m listening to/watching. If I’m listening to music around other people, I try not to show that I’m enjoying it at all lol. It’s fucked up.

    “– Codependency seems to be present here. You are annoyed and it’s “her fault”. No, when you are annoyed you are generating this all on your own. It’s your interpretation of the events that is driving your emotional state, not her actions. Again, see point one – if you really are a dominant male who is her leader, why would you get annoyed when she makes a mistake? She needs your help and leadership. When you get upset, you telegraph she is in charge of your emotional state, not you. And what leader is controlled by those who follow them?”

    This. I do get butthurt about the fact that she isn’t following me because I have this expectation that she just SHOULD because she USED TO. Fucking burden of performance lol.

  41. @scribblerg – “You know that your dick has uses other than furious self-flagellation while you watch other people have sex on a screen, right?”

    Yes, of course….I also use it to hit the space bar when typing.

    But really my 8:11 pm comment not to the one above mine, which seems to have drawn your ire, but more in general about one of Rollo’s older post about how females (i.e Kitten) are moving in on the Red Pill praxeology. Her blog was interesting and a good lightweight read compared to Rollo and Dalrocks.

  42. First, disclaimer I haven’t read any of the posts on this thread yet, just the topic piece written by Rollo, but I wanted to gather my initial thoughts on the piece.

    Mike is currently reading a book entitled, “The Warrior Mindset” and it describes the different in perception between something like a natural disaster as compared to something more personal. For example, contrast an example where a tornado hits a home and destroys the place, and the occupants sustain injury and a group of hoodlums entering a home, destroying the property and beating the occupants to the point they have to go to the hospital. The second example feels worse to the victim (or bystander) than the first example. I think that’s what is essentially described here as a feeling of injustice (when “bad” triumphs over “good”).

    I’ve been spending time recently in a different forum and attempted, briefly, to explain that the concept of “toxic masculinity” is an insult to men. Masculinity is not bad, it is good.

    The poster responded that toxic masculinity refers to behaviors that cause distress (telling a son not to cry and so forth). I didn’t go further into the argument with her, we didn’t see eye to eye enough to really engage anyway…but I was reminded of a time when my husband took our boys and some friends out tubing on a boat. I didn’t go, it was all boys on that boat, and one of the boys, a 13 year old, was very very fat. He couldn’t get up on the tube without a lot of assistance. Mike explained this all to me later, and I felt sorry for the boy. Mike wasn’t mean and didn’t make fun of the boy, but he was stern. It was the beginning of summer, and that summer this kid got in great shape and lost all of his superfluous blub. It has been three years now and he is in just about as good of shape as our kids (they’re in seriously good physical condition). I’m convinced it was because of that one day on the boat.

    Juxtapose this with the feminine way of going things. He is told everyone has his or her own unique specialness and he just needs some encouragement. Thirty years later he dies of heart disease, after a lifetime of battling his weight issue with happy thoughts, rewards, and a lot of money spent on therapy and diets. I think my husband saved that kid a lot of pain and probably a lifetime of bad health issues just with one stern day on the boat. This isn’t a bad thing.
    Sometimes I think our idea of “bad” and “good” are skewed, and that’s just feminist poisoning.

    Anyway, going for a run. Will read the posts later.

  43. @Dutch, just curious – how would you describe yourself? Timid? Small? Medium build? Liberal? Geek? Tall? Short? Just want to get a picture of you so that your comments make more sense to me. Also, has this changed since the day you got married? And what about your wife? What is she like?

  44. Another thought on the “good” and “bad” paradigm. I think a really pertinent example would be my father. He used to tell me to “get back up on that bike” after I’d fallen a dozen times and there was blood all over my knees. He wouldn’t let me quit, and he told me not to cry.

    When I was 11 years old, a stack of drywall fell on me and my leg was pinned under it. When they lifted it off of me, my bones were shattered and the foot was flopped over at a weird angle. In order to move me without severing and artery or anything, someone had to hold my leg bones in place. My dad is driving the car and I’m in back with my mom and she’s supposed to be holding my leg but she keeps passing out and dropping it. So I had to hold my own shattered leg bones together until we got to the hospital. Then I had a cast up to me hip and it wouldn’t heal because the doctor messed up…it became a really long ordeal. By the end of things one leg was an inch and a half shorter than the other and I still have a floating fibula, that bone never fused. A few years later it was another operation to lengthen that leg and that took a while too. But the point of this example is…my dad was stern the whole time.

    My mom retreated into infancy and started talking to me in Italian baby talk. “Why my little kitten?” and so forth. It was nauseating to be around, but she was the “good” one by modern standards. By contrast, my dad was very kind but he didn’t let me feel sorry for myself…EVER. He got me on a workout program and I never had to go to PT. I’ve seen legs after the types of injuries and operations I sustained and I can tell you I’ve never seen a case anywhere near as good as mine. I have scars all over my leg and no one notices. Mike didn’t notice until I showed him and I always wore shorts. A LOT of men told me I had legs that are a “10”. A person with a background in body building and interested in symmetry would notice that one leg is smaller than the other (my floating fibula makes it impossible to have completely identical calves). But it’s as good as it could possibly be, and I credit my dad.

    I had no idea what the effect of my injury had on my dad until years later, in about the last ten years of his life he told me he had recurring nightmares all of the time about it, to that day. He had recurring nightmares about my injuries his entire life, but he never let me know that until later, when I didn’t need his strength.

  45. Preening, effete MGTOWs abound, lol. The presumed intellectual superiority and butthurtness are just so revealing and instructive.

    For men here actually engaged in positive masculinity and internal game this is a great object lesson in how ego investments and buffers work. Their belief in their ability to ignore their own sexual desire and the demonization of women is necessary for them to justify their inability to succeed with women. It protects them from the overt rejection they experience with women nonstop and also helps them deflect the low social status they receive due to their inability to function as healthy, masculine men who project strong male sexual energy.

    For me, this is all about growth. I’ve been busting through my ego investments and buffers – it’s been rough, no doubt. But more and more, I’m on mission. More and more, my new habits of self-improvement are less easily defeated and more regular and more natural but it’s been very hard work that has taken 2 years to work my way through. The habit of self-loathing becomes so ingrained and the need to justify it and feel good about oneself is so important that we become so used to ignoring it. It’s the male condition and how the Blue Pill works – we must shame our maleness and sexual agency at a basic, visceral level. Yet we must also support some kind of positive identity at least at a superficial level in order to function every day. Ideas like “delayed gratification” and “service” are designed for men to help deny themselves along the way. Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying discipline and work and grit aren’t required, but the entire point of existence for a properly oriented Red Pill man is to serve himself first, and then his commitments and obligations etc.

    There is something incredibly powerful about becoming one’s own point of mental origin. Self-abnegation is the source of much suffering for men, and is at the core of romance, chivalry, courtly love and everything the FI and radfems are shoving at us. Fighting it is like fighting the tide – but once one gets a taste, well, then it doesn’t look like the tide anymore. It looks and feels self-destructive and abhorrent. What I once thought was just “how things are” isn’t so at all. This is why we call it the Red Pill in the first place, but for every Neo, there are thousands of Cyphers…

    [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8cq9y3QagI&w=420&h=315%5D

  46. @Dutch – Thanks for the brutal honesty, this is perhaps what I respect most about this community. The men who admit just how fucked up their views are and are willing to work on it. I have a suggestion/question. Have you really bored down on Rollo’s work? Have you read his books? Have you forced yourself to read the posts? Example: I kept ignoring all the comments about ego investments and buffers – when I encountered them I literally could not even comprehend them. My ego was so invested that the very thought of how all that works just bounced off my consciousness.

    The Red Pill can be done superficially and one will get the results you are getting. My suggestion? Bear down on the knowledge here. My browser starts up with this page every time I fire it up – http://therationalmale.com/2011/09/06/the-medium-is-the-message/ Work on seeing where you have a scarcity mentality in all things, not just the wife. The worst truth of all? Women and society are reacting to our own projection of our status and self worth. And until we deal with that crap and reorient it, the Red Pill is merely interesting information.

  47. @Liz,

    Good comments.

    A very important male trait is resilience. Kids pick it up just observing their fathers in action or occasionally via direct mentoring. The innate pedagogy of men is brusque because coddling is not in our nature and counter-productive to the teaching of mental strength and resilience.

    Women will never truly understand a man’s methodology, and in our present fem-centric/empowered society, ‘toxic masculinity’ is just another shaming tool to attempt control because women often fear what they do not understand.

  48. @YaReally, you didn’t mention Sex God Method, but you have in the past so I’ll bring it up again. That was awesome eye-opening stuff, especially how he came to the method by accident one day after fucking his girl so hard that she was bleeding from the vag the next day and had to go to the hospital. But while he was fucking her, her psychological state was so stimulated that she didn’t feel that pain and was multi-orgasmic, thus proving that a big chunk of sexual pleasure is psychological. Big eye opener for me. I didn’t realize that I had became one of SGM’s archetypes of “gynecologist” always trying a different angle or different stroke or different this or that, all the while forgetting the emotional piece of what I was doing. Brought me back to square.

    Case in point, I remember being 20 and getting ready to bang this 41 year old. I was so consumed with how “weird” that age difference was that I was nervous as fuck and wanted to take my time while I drank a shit load of liquor and beer to relax me. I gave her a semi-naked massage for some thirty minutes, teasing her the whole time and drinking in between. By the time I thought I drank enough, and decided to get dat ass, she was so turned on that she came when I put my mouth on the outside of her underwear she still had on. After that, as you mentioned about getting her to 9 before you fuck, ANY sex with her would have been great. Afterward, she mentioned to other people we both knew how great the experience was, but in truth, it was just average sex.

    I’ve read that book at least four times now, and it doesn’t get old.

  49. @newly

    Tall. Medium build (but getting fatter lol). Quiet. Sarcastic. Witty. Big time loner. Alt right type political views. “Introverted intellectual” type.

    My wife is quiet but also “people oriented”, very intelligent, timid.

    At the outset of our relationship I basically laid out how it was going to be.

    I actually told her that I wouldn’t compromise on the fact that I was going to be the head of our relationship/marriage and if she wasn’t okay with that then we shouldn’t get married. But of course, I’ve slipped lol.

  50. @scribblerg

    Dude my game is not bad. Never was been into the scene since I was 16 so yeah… been there done that, and I don’t feel I need to anymore. I just get laid and date comfortably.

    Though I discovered Rollo ?2 years ago and shared and purchased his books as presents for friends in need; he simply put together everything I knew. That’s why during building the youtube channel he was one of my most prized guests because he changed my perception of woman massively.

  51. @scrib

    “Thanks for the brutal honesty, this is perhaps what I respect most about this community. The men who admit just how fucked up their views are and are willing to work on it. I have a suggestion/question. Have you really bored down on Rollo’s work? Have you read his books? Have you forced yourself to read the posts? Example: I kept ignoring all the comments about ego investments and buffers – when I encountered them I literally could not even comprehend them. My ego was so invested that the very thought of how all that works just bounced off my consciousness. ”

    Believe me it’s not easy for me to admit any of this shit. Not only is it embarrassed but I’m like the most paranoid dude ever about getting doxxed. I haven’t read Rollo’s books, but I’ve read a good chunk of the blog posts. I started reading this site in 2013 and I’ve read probably 95% of the new posts since then, along with a lot of the older stuff. I’m trying to take this stuff one step at a time and realize I can’t fix everything at once.

    Actually, now that I think about it, my fear of getting doxxed (which is really just a fear of exposure) comes from that same scarcity mentality… like I think if people “really” saw me, it would be horrible or something lol.

  52. @newly

    I made a girl cum once fully clothed in a public place sucking on her earlobe or something like that. lol. That was a weird one.

  53. Have to be discreet here but, within the confines of mandatory anonymity, I can co-sign much of YaReally’s post which should be titled “So – you’ve slept with, uh, a lady – what’s it like?”

    I don’t have anywhere close to Capt. Ya’s N but I can nevertheless verify the utility of most of the techniques (except toys – haven’t had to use them).

    One last Amazing Medical Fact that dick size is a needless worry: a so-called “small” penis of say 3 inches limp can easily double in size in some men when erect; it’s just the way they’re built. “Longer” guys might gain only an inch or so by comparison, though of course that’s fine too. Another important factor not mentioned above is angle – how straight up does it point in full bloom? This too can vary greatly – a larger turgid member might only raise up a bit or at most horizontally. I submit that the more acute the angle, the easier it is to probe and stimulate the G-spot, regardless of who is on top. (OTOH bending too far whilst thrashing about is contraindicated). This is in the literature, fellas.

    Your friend, Ron Jeremy
    a/k/a Jeremy Piven
    a/k/a Jeremy Renner
    a/k/a Jeremy Bender
    a/k/a/ some guy named Jeremy, maybe

  54. @Dutch: “At the outset of our relationship I basically laid out how it was going to be.” Yet she didn’t feel smothered ironically. Now she does. Why is that?

    Others can chime in, but I’d say work out regularly, talk more to others around her (open chicks), drop the sarcasm, join some program (MMA) that forces you to bond with other dudes. Use soft dread too.

    Small case in point, I used to keep my phone on vibrate so that, say, some ex may call me, she might get mad. Now I keep the ringer on. I check emails in front of her so she can hear the chime and wonder who is emailing me. She’s asked. lol. I also read websites on my phone at night in my bed. Used to hurry up and put the phone away if I heard her coming. Now I read at will. Last night she asked what I was reading on my phone. I sad porn (RM actually) and kept reading. You can tell the small ways dread is working once you use it.

  55. @Andy, lol. Did something similar. Was dry humping an old girlfriend from behind while she was talking to her girl friend. We were laying down with me on top of her ass. I kept grinding until she came, trying to keep it hush from her friend on the phone. Memories.

  56. @newly

    “Others can chime in, but I’d say work out regularly”

    I’m not insecure about that AT ALL, so I agree 100% with Yareally on working out. I also fucking hate working out lol.

    “drop the sarcasm”

    Nah, I know how to use it to good effect in a way that doesn’t come across as negative. I don’t have great social skills overall, but I’m really, really, really good at being funny.

    “join some program (MMA) that forces you to bond with other dudes. Use soft dread too. ”

    Agree 100% here. I don’t have a lot of male friends.

    “Small case in point, I used to keep my phone on vibrate so that, say, some ex may call me, she might get mad.”

    That is EXACTLY what I do. Going to adopt your approach.

    “I also read websites on my phone at night in my bed. Used to hurry up and put the phone away if I heard her coming. ”

    Same.

  57. @Dutchman: ” . . . getting fatter . . . .”

    Which won’t stop unless you stop it.

    “lol”

    Stop that passive-agressive, prophylactic “don’t judge me” shit as well. It’s a first cousin of “I’m sorry.”

  58. Went from being long-term incel to having sex regularly.

    Now dealing with shame and pressure about not committing to a relationship. Ex boyfriends trying to get her away from me by badmouthing me for not dating her/being her boyfriend (i.e. date me again because I’m way better than that guy who’s just “using you for sex” and is “going to hurt you”), getting ultimatums from the girl saying it isn’t fair to her, etc., constant overt or subliminal threats about terminating the relationship because she can’t deal with my ambiguity, etc., she needs me to make a decision because she can’t deal with this anymore…

    Meanwhile, I’m fully enjoying my time with her, we get along GREAT outside of her wanting more — me to be her boyfriend — and probably how I’m not dealing with that from an appropriate RP mindset.

    I never said I was committed to her, but I still have BP remnants of guilt about trying to get involved with other girls in the meantime. I’m not her boyfriend and yet I feel guilt about wanting to be with other girls, as if I was already her boyfriend.

    Societal conditioning runs that deep. She’s choosing to keep associating with me even though I’ve made it clear I’m not committed to her right now. And yet I feel guilt as if I did make a commitment.

    I’m managing to keep my distance and prioritize myself. It’s been skating on thin ice though. Over a decade of being incel and low self-esteem conditioned me into a scarcity mentality —

    — pile on top of that being shamed for simply having great sex with a girl who WANTS to be with me, who I’m simply not committing to, but am not abusing or mistreating — this is all consensual —

    — and it’s quite a headfuck.

    I don’t have any exes. She has a LOT of guys she could potentially go back to for sex/support/comfort/etc. if I break things off with her, or she decides to leave because I’m not making a commitment to her…where does that leave me?

    Feels like I’m one step away from falling back into incel porn/masturbation hell, and that is creating a mega scarcity mentality.

    I recognize that as the problem. That’s why I’ve been trying to force myself to talk to other girls — just flirt, be open with them, just like the girl I’m seeing is COVERTLY DOING with other guys and her exes.

    Why is she hanging out with her ex, and why are they talking about me?

    It’s CRAZY to see how feminine-primary all of this is. I feel GUILTY for simply having my own desires and potentially wanting something that is not in line with the feminine imperative.

    That’s to say nothing of the thought I’ve had many times: even if I knew I WANTED to be completely exclusive with her, what about the problem of monogamy ruining Game?

    i.e., monogamy making her lose interest in me, and trading a few months of honeymoon happiness for the long-term destruction, dwindling and decay of passion in the relationship?

    I’ve been having a *great* time with this girl, outside of the guilt and shame being piled on me from multiple sources — including myself — for not committing to her.

    Things have gotten pretty bad and there has been quite a lot of drama around this and it’s been causing me an incredible amount of stress.

    Still, it isn’t as stressful as being incel and feeling trapped in sexless porn and masturbation hell for eternity. “Don’t wish it was easier – wish you were better.”

    My Blue Pill conditioning, and how deep the roots run, are coming to the surface, and this has been really hard for a guy like me to deal with.

    Any advice? Thanks guys. No idea where else to go for advice about any of this and anyone I try to talk to makes me feel like shit about it because the default is that I’m an asshole and a scumbag for wanting to keep seeing her and spending time with her but not commit to being her boyfriend.

    Feeling brow-beaten like this, especially after feeling like I finally am turning my life around after well over a decade of being incel…definitely need some help to get my head straightened out.

  59. @Niko – Never said your game is bad – I had an N of about 100 without ever being game aware. I had some natural stuff going on, but still in a Blue Pill frame. I’m going to dive more into your channel given Rollo’s reco but until now you have never said a thing that moved me or frankly seemed that insightful. I’ve written books and created lots of content and vids in my life, so if you are a serious content creator, you will get that honest feedback is important. I don’t dislike you, you aren’t offensive – you just put my feet to sleep.

    As for game, I’m also revitalizing at 53 after giving up in some real ways and basically working soft-sugardaddy game for the past few years, which sucked (and I didn’t really even admit to myself that was what I was doing). So we are likely in very different places in life wrt game. Me? I’m adapting game to what I call “Old Man Game” and intend to slay a bunch of under 25yo chickies in the college town I live near. KFG is way ahead of me on it, and I’ve only recently busted through my own limitations and negative beliefs about myself because I started gaming formally. That’s why I said what I said to you – game in the field tells all. I’m out gaming at a biz/social event tonight where there will be a ton of young hotties, he he. The startup scene in major cities is chock a block with young women who are DTF. I’m still relying on social settings where I can DHV, bars/clubs are not good for me – but that’s actually due to my own limitations too. I’m doing RSD Julien Pimp – and it’s crushing so much negative shit I have inside that I didn’t know I have. Fyi, note to @Forge – you will not get complete content just out of YouTube vids. There is a huge difference between the courses and the YouTube content – do a course, don’t just watch YouTube vids. And Pimp is lying around in torrents if you are broke and can’t cough up the cash. Pick-up is applied game. It’s like the difference between taking a sales training course and going out on a cold calling blitz.

    I do work young ones all the time now, wherever I go. It’s a complete blast.

    Could you save me – and others here – some time and post a link or two of your best vids? I’m perfectly willing to be wrong and will happily become a fan. Fyi, again, congrats on walking from MGTOW. It’s a developmental cul de sac for men…

    Last, I know I can come off like a bit of a dick – just give me as much of a chance as I’m giving you to see the value. Have a great day, i’ve got get back to slaying it in my biz!

  60. @Softie – Amazing progress, but I have some tough news. You have Oneitis. The only cure is to fuck another woman. Period. Dot. End of sentence. Skype me if you want to talk about it, I’m driving fom 4-6 this afternoon and can be reached on skype on my phone no prob.

    Don’t get down. Until you feel the relief from Oneitis fucking another woman gives, you just can’t get it. Just like game was theoretical until you got the current chick, this won’t sink in until you do it too. Ping me between 4-6 on Skype if ya wanna yack.

  61. Yknow, I’ve never known any girl my age who is dating or fucking a 50+ year old.
    Or a 40+ year old.
    Seems like a goal (a fantasy actually) that is only going to lead to failure and depression Scribb.

  62. “I’m really, really, really good at being funny.”

    Which is great, but it’s a buffer. It prevents you from being authentic/open.

    You can always hide behind ‘I was only joking!’

  63. @Liar&Fraud/Emily

    Yknow, I’ve never known any girl my age who is dating or fucking a 50+ year old.
    Or a 40+ year old.
    Seems like a goal (a fantasy actually) that is only going to lead to failure and depression Scribb.

    Seems like you’d be wrong about all of it.

    I just turned 50 last month, and in the past 2 years I’ve turned down a 23 year old, 2-25 year olds, and had to next a 46 year old because her 21 year old couldn’t keep her hands off me.

    Not to mention all of the daughters and nieces of 3rd cousins….colleagues daughters…and students at the Dojo who want to grapple with the old balding ape after hours.

    It can be done, game or no game.

  64. “Which is great, but it’s a buffer. It prevents you from being authentic/open.

    You can always hide behind ‘I was only joking!’”

    Agreed.

  65. Yknow, I’ve never known any girl my age who is dating or fucking a 50+ year old.
    Or a 40+ year old.
    Seems like a goal (a fantasy actually) that is only going to lead to failure and depression Scribb.

    Haha you hear that scrib? With her vast experience as a 50 year old male trying to get with young women, she’s giving you legit real-talk about what’s realistic to expect. It has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with how insecure the idea of a 50 year old nailing young hotties might make her feel.

    @Niko
    On a serious note, about the cialis thing, it could be porn induced ED as well. I’ve come to realize that I would have lost my virginity five or seven years earlier if I hadn’t been addicted to porn. I lost my virginity to like a 4.5/5, and only then after 28 days of no porn. I’m contrast, I couldn’t get it up for two different 7’s back in college and right after. At the time I remember thinking “damn, she’s not. Why can’t I get turned on?”

    @YaReally
    Haha thanks for laying the smack down as usual. I don’t have much experience in the bedroom, but what I do have testifies to what you’re saying. I DO have a small dick, yet when I finally had sex, the chick kept coming back for more. Like, I couldn’t even stay hard with her (28 days want enough I don’t think), but thanks to the way I ate her out originally she kept trying to initiate things with me.

    Even when she moved to another state and got a boyfriend, she would text me every other month or so “I had a dream about you may night…” I did eventually fuck it up, but that was because I hadn’t successfully replaced her with better options and got all needy when she came back to visit.

    On another topic, did you ever end up chiming in on the “open relationships thread?” I was really looking forward to seeing your input there (I’m gonna go check now). If not, please do.

  66. Yknow, I’ve never known any girl my age who is dating or fucking a 50+ year old.
    Or a 40+ year old.
    Seems like a goal (a fantasy actually) that is only going to lead to failure and depression Scribb.

    .
    Just stopped by to remind us of how provincial and crass you are?
    .
    Stop abusing that young man.

  67. Pedat, I doubt that. Unless you happen to live outside the West.

    I don’t have experience as a 50 year old male Pellaeon. But I do know many girls my age and not a single one of them is dating or fucking a guy who is 50+ (or if they are, they are too embarrassed to share it)

    Then again I go to a Marxist FI university and attend an FI church.

    Rollo, of course I am. It’s right in my name 🙂

  68. “I doubt that. Unless you happen to live outside the West.”

    lol, I love how she still has the temerity to come here and lecture us about how the world works. lolol. Staggeringly solipsistic…

  69. So I guess this would be right out then:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIcFt7WpwxA

    I’ve got an idea, why not award the teams gold medals for being able to leave their hugbox for long enough to show up. serve everyone hot cocoa and cookies to calm their agoraphobic anxiety, then left them scamper back to the saftey of their NERF World?

  70. Liar&Fraud/Emily

    ” Yknow, I’ve never known any girl my age who is dating or fucking a 50+ year old.
    Or a 40+ year old.
    Seems like a goal (a fantasy actually) that is only going to lead to failure and depression Scribb. ” ..followed by ” I don’t have experience as a 50 year old male Pellaeon. But I do know many girls my age and not a single one of them is dating or fucking a guy who is 50+ (or if they are, they are too embarrassed to share it)”

    Lmao. You are as deep as a fucking raindrop.

    One of the best lessons life has ever taught me that I do not know every damn thing. And sometimes, I didn’t know what I thought I knew.

    But, I was never willfully ignorant either, so there’s that.

    Being that I was married when I turned 50, I will speak on the girls aged 18-25 that I banged the bottom out of when aged 38. Don’t let your youthful exuberance blind you girl, there’s nothing all that special about many girls that are young nowadays. You are an example of that.

    Most of my adult life, I’ve known/witness countless older men ( 40-50 ) having sex with younger girls ( 18-25 ). It’s a no brainer, happens all the time, happening right now.

    You live in a self made cocoon. you don’t really know anything about life yet, and as Rollo says, you aren’t interested either.

    If I lived near you, I’d bone one of your friends just for fuck’s sake, literally. I abhor snotty, silly brats, yet I will grudge fuck them to prove a point or two.

    You start fights and then deny ill intent.

    Sounds like someone needs a few lines of coke and a double penetration or two to release some ( bullsjit induced ) tension. Pssssttt… I know a guy…

  71. @Blaximus

    Sounds like someone needs a few lines of coke and a double penetration or two to release some ( bullsjit induced ) tension. Pssssttt… I know a guy…

    Word. Either that or a size 12 Danner boot up her arse.

  72. @scribblerg

    Bro I am a doc not a content creator. This started as a fluke and continued. Unfortunately it was a source of release. I deleted like 100 vids. So good luck finding anything good 😛

    It’s boring to actually create vids. Sitting back and having a conversation is a lot easier for me. You know consultation style.

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