Open Relationships

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During the last post’s comment thread I sort of went back in time to when I’d first heard the term ‘open relationship’. It was back in the mid 80s and I’d heard it being proposed to me by my first girlfriend when I was around 19 and she’d grown bored of my predictable Beta perfection. Needless to say this moment preceded my semi-pro rock star 20s and the natural Alpha-ness I matured into. So at the time I was thoroughly steeped in the dutiful Beta conditioning of believing that ‘going steady’ monogamy and only banging the ONE girl was the right thing to do.

I also believed that women’s motives were reliably based on what they said rather than what their behaviors implied (and their contradicting behaviors were the result of being confused by nebulous ‘society’s’ unfair expectations of women). So it was with a great deal of confusion that I was forced to wrap my head around exactly why my ‘girlfriend’ would want to retain me as an intimate orbiter while she pursued other guys to bang and become potential intimates with.

She suggested an “open relationship” – all the same non-sexual intimate expectations with no expectation of reciprocal sexual fidelity –  an idea she’d no doubt been familiarized with from her former hippie ‘free love‘ parents. And not unlike the simpering Beta in today’s cartoon, I too was uncomfortable with sharing my 18 year old girlfriend with any other guy. Looking back it was quite the conflict to my 19 year old, Beta conditioned mind. On one hand I was taught to respect the independence of a woman and didn’t want to be the guy to tell her what she could or couldn’t do, but I also bought into the Disneyesque sacrifice all for true love narrative.

I suppose now I owe her some gratitude since my rejecting this “I want to play the field” episode was instrumental in setting me on a course for my Alpha 20s and the “don’t give a fuck” attitude that unintentionally served me so well with women then.

Today there are cutesy synonyms like ‘poly’ to describe a woman who believes it’s in her multiple lovers’, as well as her own, mutual interests that they obligate themselves to what really amounts to her attention, emotional and sexual needs independent of each guy who fulfills that role for her. The problem arises in the degree of investment those men believe that an above board ‘poly’ woman will be able to appreciate. I had this situation presented in last weeks’ comments:

Why does an open relationship favor women and not men? It’s only cuckoldry if you don’t approve of it. If you agree to an open relationship for both of you, then it seems like an equal footing.

The cuckoldry Devil is in the details; and in this case that Devil is in the perceived ‘agreement’ and who’s doing the agreeing. Contemporary Open Cuckoldry and the social conventions of ‘free love’ era faux-idealisms in ‘open relationships’ work in tandem today to promote the sexual selection strategy of women’s Hypergamy.

Cuckoldry, in its most visceral, Hypergamous sense, favors women because there is no margin for error on a man’s part. Bear in mind that an ‘open’ relationship only serves a woman’s sexual imperative because she benefits from comfort, rapport, security and likely provisioning of the primary man with whom she’s come to this agreement with. In all honesty I’ve rarely met a guy in an open relationship who wasn’t a Beta at the mercy of his wife or LTR’s proliferative phase, Alpha Fucks, Hypergamous impulses.

Most of them understand their optionless condition and resign themselves to the women they’ve committed to, wanting to, and acting on fucking more suitably, conventionally, masculine men than themselves. Arguably, most stay at home fathers fall into a sort of contextual form of an open relationship for much of the same reasons even if their wives are only getting a vicarious Alpha ‘fix’ by working among higher status men who haven’t abdicated on their burden of performance by adopting the feminine support role.

What About Those Assholes?

Now I am aware of the often domineering men who insist on fucking women outside of their commitment to a monogamous lover. I also understand that the reverse can and does apply. I’m also aware that when a man’s SMV exceeds a woman’s it places her into a similar position to that of the Beta men I’ve just described.

Bear in mind that the issue I’m on about here isn’t one of fault, but rather how an effectively polygamous relationship serves the interests of either genders’ sexual strategy.

It’s vitally important to consider how both of these ‘open relationship’ formats are popularly perceived in a cultural context. For a woman, being ‘poly’ may hold some stigma to it. She may be considered a de facto slut in some sense – remember she’s maintaining the pretense that she’s committed to one or more men, rather than a booty call where there is no pretense of exclusivity – but the social (not to mention legal assurance) efforts being made to ‘normalize’ what amounts to her cuckoldry of that ‘primary’ partner is reinforced because it seemingly serves as some kind of new-age feminine-primary family unit. And after all, he too is ostensibly free to exercise his sexual strategy in this arrangement. A win-win, right?

In the case where the ‘primary’ partner is the woman and the high SMV man leaves her no choice but to adopt his sexual strategy as the dominant one in the relationship, that ‘open relationship’ is considered dysfunctional and socially frowned upon. He’s a cad or a philanderer at best, and an abusive self-absorbed inconsiderate monster at worst. Reverse the sexes in today’s cartoon and imagine what the feminine-primary social response might be.

Force Fitting Sexual Strategies

What we’re observing in a modern interpretation of ‘poly’ or ‘open relationships’ is a conflict between the normalization of unilateral control of sexual strategy within a monogamous relationship context. I know that sounds like a mouthful but consider…

The Cardinal Rule of sexual strategies:
For one gender’s sexual strategy to succeed the other gender must compromise or abandon their own.

No doubt many Blue and Purple Pill readers will (in the interests of “equality”) remind us that there was a time when it was socially expected of (high socio-economic status) men to “keep” a mistress (or use prostitutes) as well as a wife, or even have many wives. All socio-economic Apex Fallacies aside, this being an outlier rather than a norm, those arrangements still put that man into a position of maintaining support for both (all) women in order to satisfy his sexual appetites as well as the relative wellbeing of them.

In the modern instance where western(ized) women are a protected class in a feminine-primary social order, the priority of sexual strategy changes hands. I cover this exchange in the Adaptation series of posts, but to paraphrase, Free Love, open relationships or now, ‘poly’, has really become an increasingly acceptable methodology for women to optimize both the Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks aspects of Hypergamy while still enjoying a semblance of the security that old order monogamy provides for women’s emotional needs.

Now lets review The Cardinal Rule of Relationships:

In any relationship, the person with the most power is the one who needs the other the least.

In an economic state where women are less financially dependent on (or autonomous from) men, the Alpha Fucks aspect of Hypergamy will take priority. That’s not to say the Beta comfort and rapport appeal becomes worthless as an emotional investment, but it’s less likely for a woman to need to prioritize that aspect while pursuing the Alpha Fucks aspect. Beta comfort and security have a value, but that value requires less urgency than pursing Alpha sexual experience (functional breeding opportunities).

Consider the poor Beta symp in the cartoon. That caricature is of a Beta conditioned man struggling with the Old Set of Books, with the old order ruleset expectations from a woman who will never recognize them because she’s never needed to. It’s his investment in her, his necessitousness, his optionlessness and his inability to see it’s the source of his frustration and his anxiety. He needs her, expects more from her, than she needs him.

The lie inherent in the humor of the cartoon is that women possess the capacity to compartmentalize their emotional investments. The Medium is the Message; women can only compartmentalize their feelings for men they don’t see as Hypergamously optimal men (i.e. Alpha, higher than their own SMV men). For men who embody that optimization, women simply cannot afford to feel anything more than submission (a submission to a dominant man they innately desire) to him and are thus unable to consider anything like compartmentalizing their emotions for him.

And from Schedules of Mating:

For a female of any species to facilitate a methodology for breeding with the best genetic partner she’s able to attract AND to ensure her own and her offspring’s survival with the best provisioning partner; this is an evolutionary jackpot.

‘Open’ relationships, and the social narrative reinforcement of the concept, are one such adaptation to facilitate this methodology.

All of this may seem a bit pervasive coming from the guy who advises men to spin plates and date non-exclusively for as long as it takes (if ever) to attain the depth of experience to become a relatively good judge of women’s innate nature, and then if he so chooses, decide how best to pair and parent with her.

The difference in this approach is characteristic of the differences in men and women’s sexual strategies. In Plate Theory, while there is an above board implication of non-exclusivity, there is never an implication that a woman is (or should be) more than a non-exclusive dating opportunity. There should never be any pretense of there being an established, invested relationship as we see in the ‘poly’ concept of women.

In fact this is the primary distinction in non-exclusivity; who’s Frame is the predominant one? In a woman’s ‘poly’ Frame there is a retainership implied in what she believes should be an accepted non-exclusivity.

Ask yourself this, why would a man persist in an ‘open’ relationship? What unique advantages does he get in this arrangement that he couldn’t by simply staying single, practicing Game and spinning plates? Then ask yourself what unique benefits does a woman receive from the same ‘polyamorous’ arrangement?

When you’re contemplating this, try to divorce yourself from the emotional investments and focus on cold hard evolved Hypergamy and how it would function for either sex in that arrangement. Keep in mind that as far as feminized society is concerned, and for all of the triumphalism of independent women, the onus of committed relationship responsibility still defines the worth of a man.

Beta “Manhood”

From MoodyPrism had an interesting observation about the social acceptance of cuckoldry:

I’ve seen men make the mistake of mentioning that they would never raise another man’s child on FaceBook. Shit storms ensued. The usual shaming tactics were trotted out such as manning up. Interestingly enough I’ve heard a woman (on one of those absolutely dreadful day time talk shows such as the View) say that a woman in a relationship with a man with his own kids was a fool for wasting her time on his kids instead of hers. The framework for open cuckoldry is already there, we just need to see the push that makes it completely socially acceptable.

Open Cuckoldry is already in its developmental stage in a social respect. When you consider the Sandbergian plan for Open Hypergamy, the logical implication of this is what’s described here – prioritizing the sexual selection and Hypergamous optimization of women on a societal level while maximally restricting (via social shaming and disapproval) the sexual strategies that would ever serve male interests,…so long as that male is anything less than an optimal Alpha.

Open Cuckoldry has many euphemisms now, but in the Red Pill aware perspective it’s just a matter of time until the social plan of prioritized Hypergamy and outright cuckoldry becomes a social norm.

TuffLuv also presented me with a related question in the last comment thread:

A little too black and white on this stuff Rollo. Sure cuckoldry, as you call it is becoming the norm.. the euphemism being “mixed family”. But I see the majority of instances not being a chick who had the child of some alpha bad boy, or even alpha good boy.. I just see fickle chicks who dumped the baby daddy cuz she either found something better or went looking for something better. The poor dad is just an every day average guy who got his heart broken by the bitch.

So, ponder if you will, if there is a difference between a man raising another man’s child(ren) where the bio father is less alpha (possibly by far) than the new suitor, and a beta man raising the child of one of the woman’s former studs.. I think in the real world you find the former far more than the latter, except in cases where the married or committed woman actually went out and cheated and got pregnant with another man’s child. Maybe that happens a lot but that is not *open* cuckoldry.. That’s classic cuckoldry, and perhaps the only thing that should be called cuckoldry.

I think there should be another designation for the former case. It’s still a bit shameful, but not nearly as much as the latter, eh?

Definitely something to consider, but this situation also implies a change in conditions or context with regard to the woman doing the cuckolding. The fundamentals don’t change – that woman may have bred with a less than optimal man, but the Hypergamous sexual selection impulse still drives her to seek out the Alpha fucks aspect of Hypergamy. She’s Making Up for Missing Out and still she has the provisioning and support she needs in order to pursue the opposite side of the Hypergamous equation she missed out on courtesy of the Beta father.

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Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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@ Caveclown thanks for the elaboration on emotional spiking and frame control. doing this with my SO, and it really does work. It has also created a non-threatening/accusatory communication channel between us, which has actually been a strong bonding experience.

Emotional Spiking apparently does work as demonstrated by select female forum contributors…

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lol SJF, you keep bringing up that post as if KFG offered some incredibly sagely advice there.
But really it’s basically the same nonsense I’ve heard a hundred times – ‘women are different than men therefore sexism is justified.’

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Perhaps some day you will figure out the difference between sex and sexism.

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I bring it up since you presume you “own the message” and the premise. KFG’s comment is antithetical to your premise (which starts with equalism).

Here I’ll bring it up a third time:

http://therationalmale.com/2015/12/16/open-relationships/comment-page-6/#comment-132782

Furthermore, see this comment and read the link therein for a better understanding.

http://therationalmale.com/2012/06/15/double-standards/#comment-6716

And women are different than men. And sometimes they just need to be told “NO!”

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“At work, men have the ‘right’ to not deal with nearly as much sexual harassment.” Pffffft. First of all, really? I have never seen a guy say anything remotely sexual about a girl in a work setting. The consequences for doing so aren’t worth it at all… I’ve had to deal with some awkward situations at work because girls come on to me and I didn’t shoot them down smooth enough… You’re damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Secondly, you only take offense to it because you’ve been taught to feel victimized. When I was younger I would… Read more »

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“First of all, really?”

Are you questioning Emily’s lived experience as a man? Listen and believe, shitlord.

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“Sexism is judging people by their sex when sex doesn’t matter.” -Caroline Bird, using the word “sexism” for the first time in print; 1968 I accept this definition. Mating strategies are tautologically about sex, therefore not sexist. Dimorphism is a fact, not a prejudice. Only men can create babies, but they cannot gestate them. Only women can gestate babies, but they cannot create them. Differing sexual strategies are innate in the differing reproductive roles. I recently, as a point of personal curiosity, ran myself through the Army Basic Training PFT. Although 60ish years old and not having done any specific… Read more »

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Aww poor you Andy. First of all, I don’t believe that. Second, statistics prove that females encounter far more sexual harassment. Third, men generally seek sex, women guard it. Therefore, violating a woman’s space and sexually harassing her is worse than violating a man’s space. Though, both are bad if the man/woman clearly indicates that he/she is uncomfortable. But the man is rarely uncomfortable when a young woman is ‘harassing’ him. But yeah, nice attempt at victimization.

SJF, go marry KFG then.

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” . . . violating a woman’s space and sexually harassing her is worse than violating a man’s space [and sexual harassing him].”
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An excellent example of a true egalitarian mindset.
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Where are you going to enter the novitiate?

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“Therefore, violating a woman’s space and sexually harassing her is worse than violating a man’s space.”

Madonna Whore complex
Victim complex.
Typically irrational female entitled to good FEELS, bitter, feminist Jesus freak.

You’re a real catch Emily.

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“Third, men generally seek sex, women guard it. Therefore, violating a woman’s space and sexually harassing her is worse than violating a man’s space.”

I don’t know quite how to break this to you, but you can’t support your claim by supporting my contrary claim.

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“I don’t know quite how to break this to you, but you can’t support your claim by supporting my contrary claim.”

90% chance she’s taking a women’s studies class this semester. Probably writing a paper on “The Manosphere”

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” “Is life better since the advancement of women’s rights?”
It is for the women.
The arguments against this are amusing. I wonder, was life better for black people before civil rights or after? Hmm”

Lol.

I wont even dignify this with an explanation.

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Rollo: sobering statistics. For those who follow the Latin Rite, today is the remembrance of the Slaughter of the Holy Innocents. Males. All of them. Disposable then, disposable now.

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“…. because it’s not in her gender-interest to do so, is that women’s sexual strategy (AF/BB Hypergamy) is sexism”.

I would agree that unbridled hypergamy is lacking in honor and nobility, reeks of narcissism, and is a big AF cum-stain on the female character (cue Monica’s blue dress..) but it is the matriarchal fem-centric laws backed by feminazis, white knights, and societal tropes/meme supporting hypergamy that are sexists.

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Crazy ass Emily said- ” As a man, you have the ‘right’ to not have to worry that old men/women may try to take advantage of you, even though you are a 14 year old girl. The internet is absolutely full of men whining about why they cant fuck 14 year olds, posting pictures of underage girls. Many on the manosphere and other forums actively encourage going for underage girls cause thats when we ‘have our prime.’” Well then, someone violated my rights about 5 times then. Where’s Gloria Allred?? Women can’t be sexual predators? Really? How deep is the… Read more »

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@Rollo By AWARE. 79% of victims of harassment were female. The other thing.. most homicides, suicides and combat deaths are also caused by men. So yeah… :/ @Andy “90% chance she’s taking a women’s studies class this semester. Probably writing a paper on “The Manosphere” GREAT IDEA. Actually I am registered for sociology of gender course next semester. Def will write about this if I get the chance. @Blaximus Course females can be sexual predators. But you don’t have reddit communities with tens of thousands of women drooling over pictures of naked 13 year old boys. I usually dress very… Read more »

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Lol. You’re just too damn cute. Catcall…please. Ohhh somebody finds me attractive and verbalized it in a way that feminism disproves of. Call the law.

Girls have been brainwashed if they believe and agree with what you state. Not surprising though.

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I hear that ” harassment ” will be a qualifying condition for disability benefits in 2016. : )

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“sociology of gender course”

Is that what they’re calling it these days?

“Well, there you have it gentlemen, subjectively defined “harassment” is equitable to combat casualties, workplace death, homicide and suicide rates among men.”

lol. But we already KNEW that!

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Harassment = touching female employees without consent, sending them lewd emails, sexual suggestions, sexual favors for promotions etc.
I never compared harassment to combat deaths. But you can’t really complain that males get killed more in combat, or by suicides, or by homicides when they are the ones causing those things.

And Blax you know full well that men say far more vulgar things than a simple ‘you’re beautiful’ on the street.

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Em,

” vulgar ” is subjective.

I don’t see guys being vulgar in their comments on the street. But hey, that’s anecdotal.

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Aw, Emily got catcalled? Don’t worry, honey, in only a few years men won’t even notice you at all.

Rollo: agree how odd it is that 20 year old Emily writes as though she’s a 60 year old postmenopausal feminist.

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@Emily,
I don’t hold you responsible for your crazy (new found convictions) thinking, I hold your beta, SPINELESS bf, for triggering, crazy stuff coming out of your mouth . I know all the frustration that comes from the lack of “tingles”, in the old days (in high school) when you were sexually “active”(slut with all the hawt boys), none of the current convictions mattered, cause, you loved it when being TAKEN, and, that dick, Deep in your throat.

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Emily, this is what tingles do to women http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxx8o_sheryl-crow-strong-enough_music

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@Emily: “But you can’t really complain that males get killed more in combat, or by suicides, or by homicides when they are the ones causing those things.”
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I cannot believe my eyes! They had it coming? What a sexist pig.

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Harassment = touching female employees without consent, sending them lewd emails, sexual suggestions, sexual favors for promotions etc. by a man who isn’t cute or hawt.

FIFY.

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Actuaally most girls of any age would agree w everything I said.

Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy, dearie.

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I wonder if Emily has an open relationship with Jesus? Go to Mass on Sunday, worship fashion on Monday, worship romance novel on Tuesday, Girls Night Out on Wednesday to worship the Chippendales…

How’s the cockteasing going, Emily? Still torturing that young man, giving him the blueballs while you tell him “Only a few years more, dear, then I’ll be able to marry you…”?

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Emily is laughing at her boyfriend and laughing some more at God. She’s using God for not fucking her boyfriend . But, God! My boyfriend doesn’t give me “tingles”, forgive me God, for using you.

Ps,
Those God damn “tingles”.

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Blaximus, people are looking at me wondering why I’m snickering so rudely and IDGAF.

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Lol…

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@emily

But you can’t really complain that males get killed more by suicides when they are the ones causing those things

so the male suicide rate is caused by males killing themselves, and the reason they are killed themselves, that is the cause, is what?

Likewise for combat fighting, what are the men fighting for, the cause?

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” But you can’t really complain that males get killed more by suicides when they are the ones causing those things”

This right here is actually offensive in it’s outright ignorance.

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Rollo – dropped in to say Happy New Year! Just purchased your 2nd book. Keep up the good work, you have a lot of MGTOW fans who may not comment as often but read every post top to bottom.. so please ignore the hate from troll MGTOWs (most of these are recent Red Pill converts still finding their way).

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@Blaximus, Rollo

This right here is actually offensive in it’s outright ignorance.

Woman and man get drunk and screw, woman has regrets: his fault.
Woman marries man, fucks his best friend, gets divorce when she gets caught: his fault.
Man kills himself because women have roundly rejected him, accused him of rape, and/or divorced him when he did nothing wrong: his fault.

Emily seems to get the way the world works just fine.

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Dammit men these are the exact viewpoints of my 21 yo daughter,youngest child protected spoiled FI brainwashed from early age.Has mangina shackup boyfriend sexless relationship by Clinton standards maybe?Totaly full of sht I love her but she is in for hard times and rude awakenings.Hope I’m there to help pick up the pieces. I want to call this generation the what the hell happened gen.This mangina BF of hers is deeply steeped in beta game see him work it all over town,why is she such a sucker for this bullshit. My friends computer malfunctioned so he took it outside and… Read more »

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“she says all the people together are like one big person and she is the eyes . . .”

The eyes need to report to the brain.

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“But you can’t really complain that males get killed more in combat, or by suicides, or by homicides when they are the ones causing those things.”

That’s not very Christian. Or human, for that matter.

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“The eyes need to report to the brain.”
The brain needs to be more critical of the ideals and understand the current input.In order to make the right choices.

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Are males involved in combat protecting their homes and way of life of their loved ones?
Are male suicides the seeming only solution to a temporary problem doing the best they can with their current information?
How many homicides are crimes of passion or a way to get goods or respect?

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“Are males involved in combat protecting their homes and way of life of their loved ones?
Are male suicides the seeming only solution to a temporary problem doing the best they can with their current information?
How many homicides are crimes of passion or a way to get goods or respect?”

You realize you are asking these questions to a person who has absolutely no understanding of either reality or cause and effect. There’s nothing but ideological blindness there. No one could make that statement if they had a single nugget of reason, social intelligence, or empathy.

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look.. War – caused by men. Therefore, combat casualties are caused by men. Homicide – 90% caused by men. 75% victims are men. lol, we should be the ones complaining. Suicide. Actually, this is a pretty big problem in our society.. I’ll admit that. Certainly male’s have more responsibilities in our society and thus feel more stressed. They also can’t talk about their problems because other males expect them to act masculine. But don’t forget, women attempt suicide at almost the same rate. We just use methods like overdosing from pills rather than shooting ourselves. overdosing is less likely to… Read more »

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Suicides aren’t caused because men “can’t talk about their problems”. Feminists make this claim as a way of denigrating masculinity and promoting the feminization of men.
War is not “caused by men” either. This is true in general but particularly true in a representative capitalistic republic where all women can vote. It would be more accurate (though not accurate) to say that women in the US send men out to war so they can maintain a certain quality of life and lifestyle.

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Liz, I wasn’t talking to you, and I don’t want to. Be a good RPW and make your husband a sandwich or something.

Anyway, another thing about the suicides. Actually, since 1960 both male and female suicides have decreased. Female suicides have just decreased more since we’ve gotten rights. But even in 1960, when society was far more patriarchal, males were still 3-4 times more likely to commit suicide.

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I wasn’t talking to you either.

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Is male depression an immature selfish emotion brought on by his own unmet expectations and other peoples unrealistic expectations?

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As a side note, I’ve never been called a RPW so often in my life as I have from Emily in TRM.
Certainly I’ve never called myself red pill. Guess it’s reflexive defensiveness. Some sort of juvenile “burn” thing.

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I’ve always ignored Emily as she is a distraction from intelligent conversations here. Largely see responding to her as a waste of time. I took the day off work to use up,vacation days so I have time this. Orning. Emm’s comments are so stupid and lame it made name want to barf up my coffee. “Women often get the benefit of doubt because many men try to get us drunk in order for us to have sex with them. I’ve seen that happen. Hell, just yesterday I overheard some guyfriends talking about a threesome where the guy got the two… Read more »

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80% of statistics are invented out of thin air and can be twisted to support any hypothesis.While I don’t question the effects I do believe the word caused is being misused in this instance.

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” . . . male’s . . . can’t talk about their problems because other males expect them to act masculine.” More knowledge imparted to ignorant men from Emily’s lived experience as a male. How would we ever know about our lives as men among men if it weren’t for her. And I’m sure gonna miss the blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEKsfxE6AO0 ” I can’t imagine any of my friends going ‘oh I got two guys drunk and then gave them drugs and fucked them both.” The report is that it was two women who got one guy drunk and they both fucked… Read more »

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Roused typed faster than I did in this round. I took some time out just to listen to R.J.

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“I wasn’t talking to you either.” Yeah, you were just quoting my post and commenting on it without addressing me directly. Very mature. “I’ve never called myself red pill” Oh you haven’t? My bad. I guess I just assumed you were a rpw because of how much you suck up to the terpers here. stuffinbox, it is possible. Certainly society expects more of males, and often they don’t match those expectations and will consider suicide. I admit I don’t really know the exact causes of it. All I’m sayin’ is that the notion that feminism has made the world so… Read more »

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“Yeah, you were just quoting my post and commenting on it without addressing me directly. Very mature.”

No need to insult yourself.

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http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2014/10/08/us-suicides-hit-highest-rate-in-25-years

Note that they cap the article with a picture of a woman. I hear tell they are the primary victims.

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Emily doesn’t understand what the supreme ecstasy of the masculine actually it. It is what drives men to suicide, go to war and why a man benefits from ejaculating into his girlfriend.

That’s a tease Emily. Do you know what the essential masculine ecstasy is?

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Women get drunk INTENTIONALLY, deliberately to remove all the guilt inhibitors in order to fuck the alpha tingle. That is the only reason women get drunk ( when out partying). Yeah, go get drunk and drive and kill someone, and then say : I was intoxicated and therefore, I’m not to be blamed. Emily, when you fucked all the hawt boys in high school, did they make you drunk to be sexually “active”, or you got drunk on your own? (in your case, you didn’t even need ANY inhibitor blockers) Ps, Emily is saying : Don’t go to jail if… Read more »

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Prima: So, you got wounded during the war, eh?
Secundus: Yeah, being confined to a wheelchair with one eye really sucks too.
Prima: What were you wearing?
Secundus: Huh? What kind of question is that? My uniform, of course.
Prima: Figures, don’t come crying to me, you were asking for it.

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Emily,
Had your bf been the one who asked you not to have sex till married, he would’ve given you a true Godly “tingles”.

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War – caused by men. Therefore, combat casualties are caused by men.

On her history exam:

What were the causes of World War II? Men
What were the causes of World War I? Men
What were the causes of the fall of Rome? Men
Name 10 famous women rulers that engaged in war? Not possible

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A posting today, a guy writes:

Not a care in the world and just time for fun. We probably had sex 10 times a week. After becoming engaged, my wife/then fiancé told me she wanted to wait until marriage to make it special. I disagreed with the idea, but went along with it.

Guess what happens next? Oh wait:

She reassured me many times that our sex life would resume once we were married.

So all good?

No

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadBedrooms/comments/3yr6hh/havent_had_a_blowjob_in_4_years_are_my/

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^Nope.
Also I’ve seen Liz commenting on Insanity’s blog. Don’t think they have any problems. And I didn’t have problems with Dragonfly.

Can we just end this Insanity = Emily thing? Christ.

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Emily “All I’m sayin’ is that the notion that feminism has made the world so difficult for men that the suicide rate is skyrocketing is just false.”

She’s a closet feminist too.
Ps,
Emily,
All my ONS, were drunk, aggressive, horny women, who were out to get lucky (and I obliged), almost all of them told me, they got drunk “intoxicated” in order to get fucked. Only one woman, I didn’t fuck, cause she threw up and I felt sorry for her, she slept in my bed and I didn’t touch her. In the morning, she told me to thank my mother!!.

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I’m guessing emily is = or > 50. Hence, she comes here to get the only attention from men available to her. Guess a vibrating egg cant replace a hard c$ck.
bwahahahhhaaaaaaaa!!

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Can we just end this Insanity = Emily thing? Christ.

Fine. Emily = Inane Willfully Ignorant Cock Tease will replace it.

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Liz:“I’ve never called myself red pill”

Emily: “Oh you haven’t? My bad. I guess I just assumed you were a rpw because of how much you suck up to the terpers here.”

Which brings up a cross reference in Rollo’s Appeals to Reason essay in which he stated:

“I’m on record for stating that every woman is a red pill woman, it’s just getting them to drop the feminine-primary, psychological pretense and cop to red pill truths that’s the trick.”

Heheh

You can’t eat your cake and have it (too).

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Bloom did a post on the Red Pill and women a while back.
http://notesfromaredpillgirl.com/2015/01/26/can-women-really-be-red-pill/

There was an Emily there, too. But she was nice and didn’t talk about men bringing deaths on themselves and such over there. It was probably a different Emily.

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My post on that topic: “I don’t think I’m red pill, but I do enjoy thinking about and discussing gender dynamics/personal motivations/and I really enjoy reading personal anecdotes and observations in the sphere. I’m not sure a woman can be truly red pill…not even sure the result would be good. I think Ayn Rand was about as close as a female can come to ‘red pill’, and she was a pretty grim customer, from the sound of things. I was very young when I determined that everyone is motivated by self-interest. It seemed such a revolutionary idea at the time.… Read more »

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Lmao. Really. Emily is a true comedian. Shits and giggles department. In college I got drunk with a female friend. Actually, I got HAMMERED. While fading in and out of consciousness, I came to once to find her blowing me ( I couldn’t even feel it ) and then a little later she had mounted me. Women can and do. Emily you live in an alternate reality. I wasn’t raped or attacked. I kinda appreciate her efforts, but I was in no shape to really contribute. She wasn’t my type ( skinny HB4 at best ), but ugly chicks need… Read more »

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I met Bill Cosby 80 years ago and I asked him to help me expand my Taco business, we met, and he touched me “inappropriately” and I stormed out. I met him again to ask him how to expand my Taco business, he touched me “inappropriately” AGAIN! , then one day he asked me to come to his mansion and I went! , when there (to discuss my taco business) I was drugged, and my ass was kind of sticky. I’m very hurt.

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“I have taught all of the young women in my life to not get drunk in the company of young men, lest you awaken cockstruck. There IS something WRONG with drinking substances that lower inhibitions, then complaining about the results. Don’t. Get. Drunk. That’s just my opinion. How about some self control and personal responsibility?” The fact that you don’t give the same advice to all the young men in your life says a lot. You realize that it’s far more risky for women to be drunk in a room full of strangers than it is for a man. And… Read more »

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Just got from Amazon the “Rationale Male” to read during treadmill walking workouts.

Treadmill safety lesson learned: the body tries to orient itself in the direction that the head is facing. On a moving surface that keeps going in one direction only, unconsciously turning the body in the direction the head is facing can lead to stumbling or a road rash. Moral of the story; When the toned 22-ish chick in the skin-tight yoga pants walks by grab the hand-rails.

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” . . . during treadmill walking workouts.”

Protip: You can walk, run and practice flat foot dancing in place nearly anywhere, anytime, without a machine whose only reason for existing is to sell the machine.

” . . . the body tries to orient itself in the direction that the head is facing.”

So if your car skids, look where you want it to go and your control inputs will tend to automatically be those to get it headed in that direction. Intuitively understandable as well, as opposed to the “steer into the skid” advice which invariably draws a “WTF?” response.

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Lol at it being rape depending on how drunk you were…

Who decides that? (Not him for sure)

The two worst things about drunken party sex…she won’t take no for an answer, and whiskey dick.

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“And even if you adjust for the fact that many men wouldn’t report rapes”

My mother spent lots of energy trying to keep us kids away from men when I was young, “all men are rapists!” she would say.

But yet my first sexual experience was with her female BFF at age 14.

Rape for sure.

What’s the proper channel to report that…facebook or twitter?

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“But let’s be real, convincing a person to have sex with you when he or she’s very clearly wasted is a heinous act. ”

Nope, when my wife convinces me to have sex with her when she’s very clearly wasted (on rare occasions) –not heinous at all. Especially when she exhibits a lot of desire. It is pretty good as long as it’s not a hot Cosby. You are ignoring the desire dynamic on the part of the woman.

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“Can we just end this Insanity = Emily thing? Christ.”

Don’t take the Lord’s name in vain Emily.

You of all people should know better.

Sinner.

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Can a woman in comfortable shoes [feminist] foisting ideals and misconceptions in male domain be considered a mental rapist,or is she only guilty of trespass with malicious intent?

In the real world could this invoke the make my day law?

Treadmills walking,dancing,and running in place are all non productive,I prefer dancing alone in public although the results are dubious at best.

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“I prefer dancing alone in public . . .”

When I said nearly anywhere, any time, I meant it. For instance, in line at the DMV.

It took me a while to understand a common criticism of Musicals, that they’re unrealistic because you never see people just bursting into song in real life.

I see it all the time, for the same reason that man has never lived in an environment without predators – if man is there, the environment contains predators.

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Dancing in the dmv line could be a rel test for stamina eccellent choice.

This talking and singing is very confusing to a deaf lip reader unless he can see the ear pieces.

Men tend to eradicate predators from their environment.Or discourage them by other means.

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“Men tend to eradicate predators from their environment.”

There can only be one.

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“What’s the proper channel to report that…facebook or twitter?”
A fiction story website.

@SJF
Aint talking about you and your wife. She expects sex from you and vice versa. I’m talking about two strangers.

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Since when do 20-year old college students at exensive uni’s use the word “aint”? Isn’t that a bit, hmm, old fashioned?

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Y’all need to stop with your crazy theories. If I was insanity or 50+ I would say so. Nothing wrong with being 50+.

but I am 20. I don’t know how to prove it. Let’s see.. I know what yolo and swag mean. I grew up watching powerpuff girls, Dora, Arthur and Rugrats and then glee and the OC. My favorite artists are Adele and Carrie Underwood…

Buuut who knows. Maybe I’m 50 and didn’t know it myself. Does it matter?

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Y’all need to stop with your crazy theories

Why?

If I was insanity or 50+ I would say so.

Would you?

Say, how’s that cuckteased boi-friend of yours doing? Are you still torturing him with an ever receding mirage of marriage “someday”, or have you released him?

Just wondering how deep the cruelty goes.

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