CH maxim: The feminist goal is removing all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality
The following is a story from the Red Pill subredd:
My all too true story goes like this: years ago in my divorce my wife basically stopped having sex with me. The lack of sex was in line with her seemingly having a problem with anything I did (be it how I dressed, how I told jokes, and more). …Note: sex was once every two months or so if that.
I tried to talk to her about how it seemed we just weren’t getting along that well. She said we were getting along just fine. The only problem was me. Per my wife I had UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS about married life after 15 years of being together and with kids running around. Her work demands also helped make sex a low priority for her. She was too tired in the evening. The kids were up in the morning. The weekends were needed to catch up on house stuff and spend time with the kids. Vacations were also “kid” time. The twist she put on it was DIDN’T I LOVE THE KIDS?
Another problem I had (per my wife) was that was I was TOO SENSITIVE. My “whining” about the lack of sex and closeness was proof of this.
[Game note: If I were to consider another Iron Rule of Tomassi it would be this: Never complain, whine, negotiate, or otherwise attempt to appeal to a woman’s reason by explaining your need for sex, intimacy or “closeness”. Nothing demonstrates lower value and reconfirms a woman’s Beta perception of you than openly complaining, or explaining, about your sexless status.
This is not exclusively for married men. Rank Beta men will often make these “dryspell appeals” to female friends who then talk to their other friends and pass on your DLV impression to them.]
Unfortunately, I bought her story line and internalized it. I self-censored, essentially stopping my complaining about no sex and just accepted it. I was less accepting of her poor day-to-day treatment of me but even on that point I tried not to complain too much (not wanting to come across as “whiny”).
And I was pro-active about trying to make our marriage better. I tried my best to be positive about things. I even kept a diary to keep myself honest. I did more chores around the house. I more and more let her have things her way. And I was already in quite good physical shape. I made myself even more so.
And the end result of all this? Turns out my wife had been having secret affairs for years. She was having sex 4 or 5 times a week with her lovers (lunch time, quickies after work in a park, the beach locker, the driveway at night, etc.) Her story line on “my problems” had mostly just been bullshit to keep me at bay so she could continue her secret affairs. As she told me at the tail end of our divorce in a moment of candor, the “forbidden fruit” of extramarital sex was “very exciting”. Her longest term lover (3 years) had just been a play thing and only ended when he asked her to marry him (not realizing he was also being “cheated” on with another lover my wife had).
Next up is TRM reader Razorwire who came strong with this comment from the Adaptations II thread:
[…] I’d say by now the societal and personal risks are negligible for pretty much any decision made by women. So these days, the delay of the beta-bucks model is extended to encompass a starter marriage or having children. The cuckold window is wide open.
I’ve seen this in fellow genXers who actually married young (by todays standards) but of course those men turned out to be jerks or were too irresponsible or selfish (all of the things that got her wet) so they divorced and she quickly locked down the beta-bux who was likely her “friend” back in college or some “nice” co-worker she met in her three-year career with the insurance company.
I went to one such wedding a couple of summers ago. Now that they have a kid and she’s realized the full potential of the AF/BB transition, she can’t (or doesn’t bother to) hide her disdain for his niceness and general lack of alpha behavior. He’s a dead man walking.
On that note, I caught a trailer of an upcoming Will Ferrell film: “Daddy’s Home.” Frames it up nicely.
While I’m sure they will have some hollywood make-believe ending in which the biological dad realizes his loss, has to confront manhood (as defined by the FI), and is jealous/admiring of the stepdad for his honorable provisioning of the kids, the interesting part of the trailer was how it focused on the two “dads” competing for the love and attention of the kids. I’m sure it is funny, but also telling.
Not only is the Sandberg stepdad supposed to be a just-in-time dad to fulfill the equalist needs of the post-wall (and in this case – post reproduction) wife, but he is also expected to pedestalize and perform for the offspring of the cad in order to earn (and keep) his place as the settle-down guy in the eyes of the wife. He must keep winning his way through the consolation bracket for a wife who has not just achieved the AF/BB transition, but has done so after capturing the genetics of the Alpha. He doesn’t even “get” the beta bucks prize of breeding.
The dwindling societal pressure to honor marital commitments and minimal shame of divorce has allowed the delay of beta bucks to blow past birth control in terms of prevention into what is now birth control in terms of actualizing female preference for the AF offspring – with rapidly decreasing risk/impact on her ability to secure the Beta Bux stepdad or post-baby-daddy husband (because now marriage means something to her.)
With, of course, big daddy gov’t as a stand in. But I’d reckon that the attractive single moms are not struggling at all to parlay into BB.
Because they aren’t his kids the stepdad’s burden of performance includes purchasing/exchanging resources for the children’s love which is one more condition he must continually meet in order to maintain her conditional love. Talk about a fleeting proposition.
Peruse any online dating site and you will see the teaser advertising for this coming from all single moms. It’s really just “must love dogs” on crack but often with more bait n switch mechanisms.
Meanwhile the perpetual competition (between you and him) merely deepens the resource pool for her to leverage into her lifestyle and security.
One man is operating under the threatpoint of divorce, the other under the legal extortive aspects of the post-divorce financial fatherhood model. Both must pay to play. Both are subject to her approval, her terms – backed by the social and legal structure. As such, neither are actually fathers, but just offshoots of motherhood channeled through provisioning and conditional exchanges.
I’d say even with the extensive provisioning (the kids in this flick have it all), the kids are still getting the shit end of it. Two marginalized dads is still less than one Father, one marriage. They are just being indoctrinated into the consumerist, fem-centric, self-indulgent model of modern marriage.
A mom who goes full AF/BB with kids in tow may get sold as the heroines journey, but it still strikes me as deeply selfish.
We had an interesting discussion in this thread about modern cuckoldry and the rise of it becoming ‘fetishized’ for men as some new form of ‘alternative’ lifestyle. I’ll get into the grisly biological nuts and bolts of this later, but before I do the practical reasonings for a societally acceptable cuckoldry need to be highlighted.
I chose Razorwire’s comment and the story above to illustrate a fundamental Red Pill truth – Hypergamy is nothing if not pragmatic.
In a larger respect, a woman optimizing Hypergamy follows a predictable schedule, but as Razorwire points out, on a psychological level it also builds fail-safe contingencies into that schedule. Root level, largely subconscious, survival/parental investment insecurities and long term insurances against them drives this pragmatism. Thus we see operative social conventions carefully prepared to excuse and absolve women’s duplicitous behaviors in both a social and personal scope.
What benefits a female sexual strategy is forgivable and prudent in a fem-centric social order no matter what the personal consequences are. Women’s default victimhood status is their strongest insurance against those consequences while what benefits men’s sexual strategy is characterized as selfish, juvenile or criminal. These characterizations, and the social conventions that are an extension of them, are part of the pragmatism of Hypergamy.
When you look at the time line I presented in the Preventative Medicine book and series, and you get to the stages just before and just after a woman’s Epiphany Phase – the phase at which a woman’s subconscious understanding that her SMV decline has begun in earnest – you begin to see a bigger picture; a meta overview of the necessity of keeping Blue Pill men ignorant of their long term role in that strategy.
While women increasingly embrace Open Hypergamy and become increasingly more confident of their capacity to satisfy both sides of it (AF/BB) due to a presumed expectation for men to also openly support it, there comes less expectation to try to optimize Hypergamy with only one man.
The Future of Hypergamy is Cuckoldry
The following quote came from a fantastic essay one of Heartiste’s readers, Chris, submitted regarding the recent gay marriage ruling:
I don’t know many men who would sign up to an institution where the partners are expected/morally obliged to be emotionally faithful but not sexually faithful. It is much easier for women to get casual sex than men, so any man signing himself up to that deal would be signing himself up for cuckoldry and cuckoldry is the absolute worst thing that can happen to a man pursuing a long-term mating strategy, (and it is the evolved moral norms surrounding the long-term mating strategy which marriage as a cultural institution is/was developed around/for.)
Of course, if people became more knowledgeable about evo-bio/evo-psych and instead started calling marriage essentially what it is, the social-codification of the long-term mating strategy in humans, then this concern wouldn’t really matter. (No worrying about importing norms anti-thetical to the reproductive interests of one party in the relationship and subsequently which disincentivizes the pursuit of the strategy from that party as its definition is strictly evo-bio/evo-psych.)
In The Myth of the Good Guy I put forth the idea that while women would ideally like to have both the Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks aspects of Hypergamy satisfied by the same man, women today don’t even have the expectation that this is in anyway possible, much less is it preferable to them anymore. The expectation becomes one of the Sandberg plan; expect to bang the bad boys, the Alphas and the thrill providers while your SMV is high, and expect a good, persistent and reliable ‘Dad’ to be ready to forgive and forget all that before you’re 30.
What Chris digs into in that essay isn’t so much about gays being married, but rather the fundamental restructuring of the nature of marriage. Religious issues only serve as a convenient distraction, the nuts and bolts of it is that this edict fundamentally restructures the legal aspects of male/female marriage. When this restructuring questions and impedes the access to long-term resource provisioning for divorced women (initiators of 70+% of divorces), that’s when you’ll see a truly misandric inequality in hetero vs. homosexual marriage arrangements. Men will still need to be forced into indenturement and forced to cooperate with a binding commitment to Hypergamy in the face of alternative marriages not based on monogamy.
Indeed, what man would sign up for that arrangement? Particularly in an era when women (not the Red Pill) blatantly lay bare the duplicity of their sexual strategies.
Limiting Dick
Around the time I was writing the second book I’d gotten into a Twitter debate with several feminists on a hashtag called #askmenanything or something to that effect. The pretense was of course to “ask men” all the insipid meme questions and answer them for men with feminist boilerplate. Once the Red Pill forums and manosphere proper got involved the tag quickly switched footing and feminists lost interest.
It was during one of these exchanges that I’d quoted Heartiste’s maxim from the start of this post to a particular feminist; Feminism’s end goal is removing all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality.
Her response was an incredulous, “So you think all feminism is about is limiting dick?!”
It was of course the type of simple dismissive I’ve come to expect from the fem-powerment generation, but it sums up the dynamic pretty well. It’s always been my take that feminism in all of its waves has always been another social arm of the Feminine Imperative; which has always been an imperative driven by the best interests of optimizing women’s Hypergamous choices.
So yes, feminism is in fact about ‘limiting dick’ by socially, legislatively, personally and psychologically facilitating the selecting out and opting in on what best serves a woman’s short term and long term sexual strategy needs – throughout her entire life, not just around her Epiphany Phase. She needs the Alpha bull for his raw sexuality, dominance and confidence, and she needs the Beta comfort, investment and reliability that her bull is unwilling or unable to give her.
In this new age of proactive and reactive cuckoldry, men are expected to put up and shut up with playing the role of one or the other. In our thread conversation about cuckold fetishes the idea was put out that there’s some sick or deviant mindset in which a man gets off on watching his wife get pounded by another man. Keep in mind the possibility that the rise in popularity of cuckold porn may be an extension of this new paradigm.
The cuckold fetish narrative follows the same Hypergamous script as any other “alternative lifestyle”. As I mentioned in the Adaptation series, even within the ostensibly Free Love paradigm the same Hypergamous imperative was played out. In cuckold porn there is always an Alpha bull, a ‘superior’ sexual competitor that fucks that man’s wife; an inferior Beta sexual partner is never the tingle generating center of that fantasy. Thus that husband plays his expected passive, supportive role within that “fantasy” and thus is that wife’s dualistic Alpha Fucks sexual strategy completed.
That’s the messy nuts and bolts of it, but it’s all too easy to get caught up in the sensation of our blood boiling in righteous indignation than to see the larger perspective. This too is a part of the pragmatism of Hypergamy.
Cuckoldry is not simply about who got to breed with a woman before or after she settled into a committed monogamy; it’s about the consistent impulse to optimize Hypergamy. It is cuckoldry for a man to assume the parental investment responsibilities of another man that a woman previously bred with. It can be proactive or it can be reactive, but the purpose it serves is the same.
Few people really grasp how outrageous it is for a man to take part in his own cuckoldry. We call those men heroes for playing savior to a woman who made “bad choices” and invests himself in a child he didn’t father, but even this association has become yet another expectation of the dutiful Beta’s role. A conditioned White Knight disposition makes him feel good about it, but it’s a woman’s strategy that comes to completion, not his own. A bull was in his bed long before him.


did we just drop some comments after 10:17?
(sorry, they are back again)
Telemarketer game:
http://youtu.be/0Qkb-21hllo
This was a really insightful post. But I think what we are looking at is a evolutionary dead end. The fastest growing populations in the world are generally the ultra conservative religious groups. In this country that is the orthodox jews (checkout Brooklyn, NY) and the amish. They have alot of offspring, are completely ignored by the mainstream and fly under the radar. That is where your future generations of young breeding adults are going to be coming from and we are looking at a very conservative future. I think we are living through peak liberal stupidity right now. Look… Read more »
@yareally If you go to Toronto’s entertainment district, or many of the other pub areas, it’s like fish in a barrel. However Toronto’s average house price is now over $1M, so for a wall-nearing (or over) woman, if you present as anything that might be a beta, you are getting “the rules”. I don’t understand guys who don’t approach. I was at the grocery store this weekend, and in front of me was a dyke (going into the store there was a lesbian talking to a guy, which didn’t make sense until …). So I ran some funny stuff by… Read more »
@Badpainter “As credentialism makes credentials themselves increasingly irrelevant the future to me looks like an increasing need for a portfolio of work to justify skills, and personal references will eventually supplant education and formal certification as markers of potential.” Yes. Just now, in the Career Development program of my college they tell students over and over again that the most important thing to do to get employed is personal networking. Once they organized a networking event where every 3 students were obliged to bring at least 2 Canadian employers (company CEO, senior or HR managers) they know. Everyone met face… Read more »
“It’s feasible because he made enough scratch from the Dr. Oz show to take a chance on it.”
The Dr. Oz show would be paying him standard appearance fees, which are quite little, and expenses (flight, hotel the night before, meals, taxis/shuttle). The idea of appearing on the show is to generate publicity for your cause/book/movie/website/products (or on certain shows to get free testing to find out if you are the father). If BBC is doing a “documentary” its a hatchet job.
“Here’s the link to the post. If you look at the post, scroll down to the comments and click on her Gravatar Profile there is a picture of her and her husband. Don’t know Mark Minter, but in their photo he looks like the head vampire, Bill Nye, in Underworld.”
It is Bill Nye, and the woman in the photo is actually Rachal McAdams.
@HowlingManTodd Straight-up, doing that to a girl who views herself as a 10 will blow her fucking mind in exactly the way it does in that clip. Hanging up on a girl is the funniest shit, especially when you do it IMMEDIATELY after she says with something you don’t approve of, and then hanging up on her as she tries to bitch you out over and over and ignoring her calls etc. until she learns that “if I act like a brat he will hang up so I’m mad but I have to at least act pleasant to get him… Read more »
Too funny. Dread easy in the nursing home. Was working the LTR today. She (angry): “You can’t believe how much I hate having to clean up five times a day from being wet all the time.” Me: “Quitcherbitchin. The alternative is I cut you off from all interaction and make you miserable.” She: “When you put it that way…” As to Dread Game. We went on a girl hunt together today. Why? Because she has been a bad girl and I’m not going to F her again until I dip my wick elsewhere. She WANTS me to get that other… Read more »
@Blaximus
When I am thinking “thug” there I’m thinking the 14-17 year olds the teachers are going after. That is what lead me down the path. Guessing those guys might be getting by on projecting an image due to their lack of life experience.
I’ll leave it at that since I don’t have a lot of real life experience with the type. Just trying to project based on the psych I am trying to pick on these boards.
Atticus July 7th, 2015 at 8:06 pm When you put it that way, I’d like to meet the guy too. Sounds like a character. BTW just one HB 9.5 girl. And don’t forget the one son who leaks charm/charisma all over the place. The kind of guy who people just LOVE to be around. We were discussing that the other day. And his take “Yeah. And some people I’d prefer to not be around.” Dad was like that. And my brother Jeff. Mom thinks it runs in the family. I have a touch of that. But it is no where… Read more »
Scribbler, That DailyMail article was just one golden herd of galloping hamsters throughout. There was one woman who expressed some accountability in a rational way but the rest was just hilarious. “why no one of my generation had told her that by focusing so intently on her work and relegating her love life to second place, she would end up without a partner.” So ignoring a certain part of your life will lead to shortcomings in that part of your life? “they remain convinced that their former partners ultimately felt diminished by their superior earning power and strong opinions.” –‘They’… Read more »
One more; “But Daniel Freeman PhD and Jason Freeman, authors of The Stressed Sex, suggest that modern women experience higher levels of stress because of the demands of having to conform to their social role. They are increasingly expected to function as carer, homemaker and breadwinner — all while being perfectly shaped and impeccably dressed.” This just brings so much joy to my heart. Women demanded things be their way and got it. They defined it all. 100% of all of this is shaped and defined by them yet when it becomes difficult it changes to “increasingly expected to function…”… Read more »
Atticus
July 7th, 2015 at 8:06 pm
lord knows what else he’s seen.
If we ever do an eyeball QSO I have a ton of stories not suitable for “forever”.
And another thing about repetition. There are always new lurkers. I was on another site where I got the same complaint. And not too long after the complaint a guy I had never discussed things with popped up and had a new angle on my information.
The complainer was suitably chagrined. lulz.
For you typical site the turnover is fairly brisk. About 50% newbies on any given day.
Women as breadwinners;
“Not fair. Husband is weak and boring. Too much expectation placed on us.”
Men as breadwinners;
“Patriarchy! Glass ceiling! Salary Gap!”
YaReally
July 7th, 2015 at 9:17 pm
TL;RIA (RIA = read it all). I agree. Things will turn. As I have stated (and seen in a comment on this page) women are getting exactly what they want and it is NOT making them happy.
I wonder what the world will be like when female psychology is widely acknowledged.
I really should stop gaming the girls at the front desk in the new apartments I just moved in to. The hot married blonde one (she’s mid 30s and still a solid 8, have to have been a 9-10 in her 20s) lets me in to her personal space way too easy. The very definition of shitting where I eat there.
Atticus
July 7th, 2015 at 9:48 pm
The “selling people into sin” was just a classic. Alcohol is the best LEGAL medicine for PTSD currently known. The heavy drinkers/alcoholics have PTSD problems. In the post Civil War era it was called “Veteran’s Disease”.
There is better medicine on the horizon. It is herbal. And it is becoming legal. It will cut into alcohol sales. Rollo – take note.
@M Simon
That cartoon in the OP was created by a member of the “PuaHate” crowd. who insist that all that matter is looks, looks, and looks.
@Gurney, I’m aware
Sun Wukong
July 8th, 2015 at 1:39 am
Very nice. I had the good fortune to have a conversion with a Marine today. I told him the 4th of July reminded me of what I heard from deck of my ship offshore from DaNang. He just shook his head yes. Didn’t smile.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3146425/Mother-deliberately-injected-nine-year-old-sick-son-s-IV-bag-fecal-matter-sentenced-six-years-prison.html
Taking attention whoring on FB to a whole new level
scribblerg
July 7th, 2015 at 2:08 pm
The cheapened version of masculinity we are treated to in entertainment media is basically a non-stop anti-masculinity campaign.
And yet – Clint Eastwood makes a movie about a MAN and it breaks box office records. The culture is hungry for it.
Atticus
July 7th, 2015 at 12:37 pm
The secret to learning new things is not minding if you look like an idiot.
Translation: I don’t give a F.
BTW the M/F ratios in nursing home territory are quite favorable. And if you are used to aged women (being old is not a handicap here) the possibilities are…..
Atticus,
I might add in response to your “Dread is easy in a nursing home”
And you would know this how?
I have been working dread on the LTR since she was 24 or 25. It is easy in the real world if she desperately wants an ltr with you. And there is no point of getting any other kind of girl for an ltr. In fact it is the road to divorce.
So lets see. Dread only works if she wants you. And it may not turn out well unless she wants only you. Oneitis.
scribblerg
July 7th, 2015 at 10:52 am
The antidote for New Age is Aleister Crowley. He is generally reviled by them. And Christians especially hate him. He must have done something right.
scribblerg July 7th, 2015 at 10:16 am Formal bigotry? We have it. But it is disguised. “[Nixon] emphasized that you have to face the fact that the whole problem is really the blacks” Haldeman, his Chief of Staff wrote, “The key is to devise a system that recognizes this while not appearing to.” Funny thing is that BO could end the whole thing legally with the stroke of a pen. It is written into the law. So the question then becomes: How or what does he gain from continuing the Bigotry? And in case there is any question about what… Read more »
@M. Simon -You do politics with me at your own risk. There is of course bigotry in every human being’s soul if you look close enough.But it’s true Nixon and LBJ were scumbags and made awful statements about blacks. But what I was referring to were say like FHA policies that made public housing projects be located in poor neighborhoods and intentionally segregated under FDR. Or Woodrow Wilson resegregating the military. Or the Jim Crow south. That’s formal. Also, before you go there, the “Southern Strategy” is complete leftist mythology. The Democrats own formalized racism in the institutions of the… Read more »
Badpainter
July 7th, 2015 at 9:52 am
Interesting that you have tumbled to LEED. What no one will look at is the productivity of the people who inhabit those buildings.
I was reading about a LEED (or similar) building a few years back and the people in it were keeping the windows open in summertime (driving up the AC costs) to get fresh air.
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ISO standards use to make some sense. But the proliferation of them has become crazy. And instead of voluntary they are for practical purposes mandatory.
scribblerg
July 7th, 2015 at 8:48 am
Yes. I have seen the “we are women – we must get rid of the men” up close and personal. It is real. Even the LTR thought I was a victim of it.
My basement boy was a victim of a similar situation. Trouble is that instead of figuring it out and bouncing back (he knows Red Pill – at least intellectually) he let it defeat him.
@Rollo & TamTheBam: Thanks for caring. @Rollo: you’re in company. A psychiatrist and a social worker whom I spoke about her years ago told me the borderline thing, yet qualified it as “suspicion”. In the meantime I’ve had opportunity to find out what BPD is, and I’ll just say there are more tells. I went to court yesterday and pulled it through. Not really a happy thing to do, to go and talk to a stranger (the judge) about this nasty stuff. What got me really depressed, until now, is that she told the judge, during her interview, that I… Read more »
@DirtySanchez / All: I got this very enlightening comment on the Borderline Personality Disorder post I did.
http://therationalmale.com/2012/01/20/borderline-personality-disorder/#comment-110031
Sanchez: I waited for you to check in last night. Good to see you made it back. “I went to court yesterday and pulled it through.” Good man. ” . . . she told the judge, during her interview, that I had threatened her with a kitchen knife . . . she has been in contact with some shady feminist orgs who are couching her in the background . . .” That is to be expected. It will make things hard. Hang tough, no matter how hard it is, it would only be harder if you don’t get through this.… Read more »
While this whole situation may anger and leave some men reading with a bitter taste in their mouths, Rollo is correct in stating that hypergamy is entirely pragmatic. Hypergamy didn’t care about his suffering and bouts of depression. All it cared about was having a new lover who was taller, better looking, more fit, and allegedly crassly put by her, “bigger dicked”. Hypergamy will cause a woman to leave your ass at a moments notice once her id takes over. It doesn’t give a fuck about “the family” or “the children”. All it cares about is fulfilling its feral desire.… Read more »
Re: cuk porn. What I really dislike about it is that it doesn’t just humiliate the Beta. It denigrates him. He don’t just have to watch her. She and the Bull spend significant time saying terrible things about him.
I couldn’t see the turn on in that.
Have you considered the possibility that cuckold porn is mainly consumed by people – mainly women – who fantasize about cuckolding others?
You realize that with IB you are dealing with someone who is around Simon’s age, don’t you? I mean it isn’t really relevant to what most of you guys are experiencing, so it’s not really a discussion worth having.
The reason no one should respond to her isn’t that she’s old. It’s that she’s a dumb, arrogant twat.
Paul Elam once defined hypergamy as the female tendency to use males as appliances (dildos, atms, human shields) and discard them when they are no longer useful. Maybe the second best definition I’ve heard after GBFM’s “alpha fucks and beta bucks”.
Well, no.
The tendency you describe is just her standard operating procedure, which is in effect all the time, throughout her life. Hypergamy – or hypergyny, to be more precise – is a tendency that goes into effect when she’s specifically looking for a male mate. AF/BB is just one manifestation of that tendency in practice.
Now that the social justice warriors have achieved hegemonic control of all society’s crucial institutions, and now are increasingly using state power to encroach on men, where do you think this is going? What will be the state of affairs in 10 years?
One prediction I made some time ago was that the Man Up narrative will find its way into the 2016 campaign season. I’m still pretty sure it’ll come true.
M. Simon “Interesting that you have tumbled to LEED. What no one will look at is the productivity of the people who inhabit those buildings.” ISO standards use to make some sense… And instead of voluntary they are for practical purposes mandatory.” I blame the engineers. I have the utmost respect for the technical skill of the engineer but often they seem to completely shut off from the people who have to live in the buildings, and use and maintain their products. For example why would anyone intentionally locate the alternator on the back of the engine, or use both… Read more »
@yareally A lot of the RVF dudes who keep running into feminists and “entitled cunts” are walking in in their suit and matching pocket square basically ADVERTISING “Hey!! Screen me as a Provider!!!!!!” Confidentally approach a girl who’s dolled up while you’re wearing a t-shirt and sneakers and she knows you can’t POSSIBLY be a Provider, but since you approached confidently you MIGHT be a Lover…she’ll test to see what your frame is like and see if you act like a guy who should approach a girl like her while you’re dressed how you are, but if you pass those… Read more »
@höllenhund2
“Women are, by and large, biologically unsuited for civilized existence.”
Reminds me of something I read yesterday:
“In Sexual Personae: Art and Decadence from Nefertiti to Emily Dickinson (1990) Paglia argues that human nature has an inherently dangerous Dionysian or chthonic aspect, especially in regard to sexuality. Culture and civilization are created by men and represent an attempt to contain that force. Women are powerful, too, but as natural forces, and both marriage and religion are means to contain chaotic forces.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Paglia#Books
Badpainter
July 8th, 2015 at 9:33 am
The Japanese have a rule: No engineer can do any product designing until he spends a year on the bench.
I worked my way up from bench technician. I still build my own prototypes. It helps.
scribblerg
July 8th, 2015 at 11:23 am
I know that history. And don’t disagree. My only point was we have one major political institution of racism remaining. It is covert (in that the behavior is not codified). It was designed to operate the way it does.
BTW Howard is a ‘net friend of mine. And he leans libertarian. A very odd duck for a cop. Or an ex-cop. But as you may have guessed – I have an affinity for odd ducks.
scribblerg July 8th, 2015 at 11:23 am I realize you are an ex Marxist so never can fully embrace the right Does Secretary/Treasurer of my local Libertarian Party club for 3 years qualify as right enough for you? I have become a different person 3 or 4 times in my life. And I might yet again if it seems to me that I should. I point out to the LTR all the time that I don’t hang on to my mistakes. I drop them at once and you can beat me up for my prior behavior all you want. It… Read more »
scribblerg
July 8th, 2015 at 11:23 am
I’m not against human bigotry. As you say – it is a feature of human nature.
What I am against is institutionalized racism. Overt or covert.
“This mindset you have where you want to teach girls life lessons will get you trapped in an LTR with a BPD chick trying to “fix” her someday.” Great stuff YaReally. I can testify, this happened to me. My old one-itis isn’t full BPD or anything, but enough on the spectrum that I got pulled into this crap anyways. BPD chicks can smell codependency, they feed on it. If you’re out to ‘fix’ girl’s mindsets and lives, they will sense that and use it to get a supply of validation from you. Heck, this chick is still pulling this crap… Read more »
@Sun Wukong “I really should stop gaming the girls at the front desk in the new apartments I just moved in to….” There’s a lovely lebanese girl where I work who keeps bumping into me, gives me full body hugs occasionally for trumped-up reasons, eggs me on into innuendo, and once asked me to massage a sore shoulder then kept asking me to move to broader areas as she leaned against me (all the other staff had left for the night). Hoo. This shit’s perilous. Cocky/funny banter, teasing, and passing shit tests are just kinda my way of having fun… Read more »
@Liz “It is Bill Nye, and the woman in the photo is actually Rachal McAdams.”
What an odd choice for an avatar. Or is it?
@DirtySanchez Having had a BPD mom (not recommended), and her mom was BPD (left family when kids were not grown up), and other BPD relatives, I have done a lot of research and spoken to many experts. Interesting that my wife, who is a lot different than my Mom, charts well on BPD, but in different areas. Meds can’t fix it, therapy can help but they take to it like a duck to gasoline. It is what it is. One thing to note is that they have an amazing ability to believe things are true that never happened. That is… Read more »
Paglia argues that human nature has an inherently dangerous Dionysian or chthonic aspect, especially in regard to sexuality. Culture and civilization are created by men and represent an attempt to contain that force. Women are powerful, too, but as natural forces, and both marriage and religion are means to contain chaotic forces. My impression is that women don’t attach any value to the fruits of culture or civilization. As far as they are concerned, it’s just there. And if it’s not there, they don’t care either. It’s not that they actively want to tear it down, they’re just passive about… Read more »
@Rollo
Can you c/p the comment? That link doesn’t take me to the specific comment, just loads the main page at the top.
@Bromeo
Pagination has been broken on the comments for a while now (for me at least). Comment is on the second page, second to last.
Its WordPress’ fucked up update
“Can you c/p the comment? That link doesn’t take me to the specific comment, just loads the main page at the top.” Oh good, I thought it was just me having issues. I assumed it was my mistake and that I was doing something wrong. Everything is my fault, or at least that’s what she says anyway. She’s changed though, she no longer blames me for everything or fly off the handle and ignore me for weeks or months at a time. We even have sex! And things have been good for like 3 weeks now! All I had to… Read more »
@dirtysanchez
Glad you are getting out. Keep your chin up brother.
@Scribblerg
“Law 10: Infection. Avoid the unhappy and the unfortunate.
You can die from someone else’s misery—emotional states are as infectious as diseases. You may feel you are helping the drowning man but you are only precipitating your own disaster. The unfortunate sometimes draw misfortune on themselves; they will also draw it on you. Associate with the happy and fortunate instead.”
It’s harsh but it’s in there for a reason.
CaveClown
July 8th, 2015 at 4:31 pm
Was just discussing such issues with the LTR. “All my talk of other women makes you hot for me. Don’t it?” “Yes” “And that heat and the bond that goes with it is the real romance , innit?” “Yes”
“We should go on a girl hunt tomorrow. I want you to win me back from her.” Big hug from her.
@Scribblerg, Vulpine
The stuff you two wrote Bnon about sexual mastery, positivity, frame, etc in the bedroom is great. I knew I had fucked up attitudes about the actual sex even during the last relationship I had, but didn’t have much frame of reference to fix it from. My mindset is a lot better now so I imagine I’d get it by trial and error at this point, but it’s awesome to get a look at what other people have already figured out.
Props.
@M.Simon
The way you do things would not ever be my cup of tea, but if it works for ya go for it!
CaveClown July 8th, 2015 at 5:04 pm If you can get women in a competition they behave much better than they do when they think you have no options. Even better if you can get them to provide the options because they like the competition. But I have no illusions. At some point even the good feelings will not be worth the competition to her and she will get angry for a day, a week, a month, during which time I will give her the silent treatment and we will start the cycle over when she is hurting enough. None… Read more »
“@DirtySanchez / All: I got this very enlightening comment on the Borderline Personality Disorder post I did. http://therationalmale.com/2012/01/20/borderline-personality-disorder/#comment-110031” Curious what was enlightening? The whole comment struck me as a bid for attention. Starts the thing by praising her boyfriend as a saint. (classic BPD shit, hard to recognize criticisms wrapped as compliments) Sex addict at the ripe old age of 21. (but is monogamous on her end?) She’s monogamous, but he is not. (he “take’s advantage” of it) Operates under the guise that she wants to improve “both of them”. Lot’s of blame-shifting… but but but always a “but” Good… Read more »
BPD = Abandonment issues to the max.
“If you can get women in a competition they behave much better than they do when they think you have no options. Even better if you can get them to provide the options because they like the competition.”
My dread game is far more subtle. My dread game just comes from being a fairly successful, out-going man that is actively working on his game. It’s not really ever intentional or overt on my part.
@Cave, I thought it was interesting that she’d come to accept her BPD condition yet still make no effort to sort it out for herself and a better life.
Read the other comments from women in that thread. Most just want to turn it back on men, persist in denial or say it’s not as bad as it’s made out to be
I’ve discovered this ream of thought only some months ago – through pickup stuff, which itself I found over weightlifting stuff. I’m glad to have someone to try stuff like ridiculous assertiveness. I continuously push a bit and haven’t got any complaints yet for anything assertive I’ve done. As I said, the girl is in another country and so I write many emails. Here it’s easy, I write stuff when I’m horny and not give a fuck, and then just convince myself to stick which it when I send it. However, in the moment, I will emphasize with the girl,… Read more »
CaveClown
July 8th, 2015 at 5:26 pm
Could you describe some of your less overt methods? All my “extreme” methods started when I was still spinning plates a LOT and the LTR stuck with me no matter what.
She also LOVES defeating the competition. So what I do plays to that as well.
What would sort it out for herself practically mean? Reads like she actively seeks to turn down the crazy.
Sure, it all reads too classical, but I figure all people need to write down what goes on in their mind and their rationalizations, however script-like we few them when we read it.
We can’t on the one hand say it’s all biologically hard wired and sociologically reenforced, say they are children and then sit back and laugh at then slander and most of them not taking the responsibility we see would be an option.
Rollo,
Yeah, that’s what I got from it too. Women have a hard time with responsibility anyway, but then bpd on top of that…crazy making shit if you don’t see it for what it is.
Only advice I have for her is to dump her boyfriend. Do him that favor at the very least.
and then sit back laughing at/slander that most of them are not taking the responsibility we see would be an option.*
and then sit back and slander that most of them are not taking the responsibility we see would be an option.*
ahh, you don’t get warned about the page breaks. Sorry for the multiple texts.
Bnon
She’s not really taking responsibility. That’s the evil behind bpd.
Where does it say she took responsibility? She recognizes some issues, but how does she actually take responsibility?
She counters everything with an excuse. She didn’t know what she was doing?
Likely true, still an excuse.
In my experience a bpd admitting to the problems is just a ploy to get something. Usually attention or reassurance that they are not alone.
What better way to fix the issue than to admit to it and “say” you will fix it?
Where is the “do” in her comment?
Everything a bpd does is related to abandonment fears, everything. I truly hope this chick gets the help she needs, but I have to assume she is after something. Just the fact that she posted to this blog seems to confirm that.
If she really wants to change: 1. Dump her boyfriend. 2. Professional help with a male shrink that is experienced with bpd. 3. Drugs if recommend, likely for anxiety. 4. Journal virtually all interactions and identify bpd behaviors. 5. Affirmations and self talk concerning the ceasing of bpd those behaviors identified in her journal. 6. Cease contact with any and all persons and places that are triggers for bpd behaviors. 7. Do volunteer work that focuses on empathy. Hospice, cancer ward’s, even the humane society. Focus on others for a bit. 8. Get a pet, don’t kill it. 9. Find… Read more »
@CaveClown: Point taken. A do comment was that she stopped sleeping around.
You can write this list in that thread, if you want her to see it. I’m not a fan of the God thing in principle, but okay.
Me either on the god thing, but bpds need something bigger than themselves.
I’m going to sound like a broken record here, but I gotta chime in for the younger commenters here for a second. You must make specific changes in life for yourself. A man who reaches old age without learning, and still looks at life as he did when he was in his 20’s or 30’s is failing hard. 1) It is a cruel and harsh world out there for any man who is trying to do shit. Yes, ” FAIR ” is a place where they judge pigs and sell cotton candy. Fair is a concept, not a duty. You… Read more »
@Rollo Tomassi July 8th, 2015 at 5:46 pm “@Cave, I thought it was interesting that she’d come to accept her BPD condition yet still make no effort to sort it out for herself and a better life.” Rollo, I would go so far as to say that it is a good experience for a young man to have a relationship with a BPD chick. But the caveat as Heartiste says “only till his ball sack runs dry, usually less than a year”. I had one in 1984 in my first year of medical school. And I think it lasted about… Read more »
@sjfrellc
Lol… Ima have to read 48 laws one day.
I don’t know you might just waste your time seeing as you might have known and internalized them naturally.
Here’s a list:
http://www.tke.org/files/file/The_48_Laws_of_Power.pdf
@Insa…Hamster: “Tomassi, it simply astounds me that you cannot recognize that men and women’s so called sexual strategies are precisely the same”
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/Psionic_Matrix/Baby_laugh_scare_You_Laugh_You_Lose_giff_edition-s303x228-149522.gif~original
Thanks. Good stuff. Sounds like the wisdom of my uncles and great uncles. They would repeat that kind of knowledge over and over and over until it sunk in.
Old knowledge that has stood the test of time is better than new knowledge that might be around for a couple of years. Just ask RooshV. (I purloined that from Nassib Talem).
Another hats off to Yareally for positivity, fun and having a good wing man. I’m monogamous, but this transcends all types of game. “Pickup and socializing and even dealing with AMOGs and bitchy girls etc. should be FUN. Because we have fun when we’re out and girls are drawn to it and we know what to do when they ARE drawn to it. Because girls aren’t drawn to guys with shitty internal belief systems and a negative outlook to life. Ya, some are into that, but like if you can’t find the good in the world around you and you… Read more »
Which explains the growing schism I described earlier between fourth wave intersectionalist “gender-fluid” feminists vs. gay rights activists. The gays fought very hard to show they couldn’t be prayed away or beaten away, just like straights can’t. (You having any warm and fuzzy feelings about Channing Tatum and his Private Dick? Didn’t think so. Me neither.) For feminists to now preach different undercuts the gays’ political gains. Whilst feminists, who cannot brook disagreement over intersectionality, now see gay men in particular as Male Oppressors 2.0 and are taking up good old-fashioned fag bashing like they did in 1970. I think… Read more »
@Yareally Fuck France is doing the paternity test or already has? Your comments are so damn rich and spot on. @Badpainter “As for ISO I’ve never been in a situation were those rules weren’t mandatory, even when following the rules negatively impacted productivity. This seems to me a disconnect from utopian idealism and the reality of the basic limitations of human nature in real life.” Nature is life it’s my last refuge beside the artificial light of this screen. @M Simon “What I am against is institutionalized racism. Overt or covert.” You can lose a job by bringing that up… Read more »
redlight
July 8th, 2015 at 10:22 am
Wow, that perfectly sums up the dynamic. As I get better at seeing things for what they really are and acting upon it (although still a long way to go) the more I truly see the Matrix.
““Only advice I have for her is to dump her boyfriend. Do him that favor at the very least.” Yeah rejection is the fastest improvement method for me. It gets me off my ass doing things.” Yeah, its not really rejection for her though, because she is doing the dumping. My point was that she is obviously in a pattern of abuse with him, the only way to break that pattern is to leave him. Plus, you know, I feel bad for him. ““She’s not really taking responsibility. That’s the evil behind bpd” God if you ever see that at… Read more »
“BPD chicks have demons screaming in their brains. They need to quiet the demons through drugs, alcohol, sex or by convincing a man that they are at a better level of quality than they really are.” It’s not just men they try to convince either. Other women, employers, children, family, friends…everyone. Especially if they are an easy target like kids and betas. Playing favorites with kids, and getting the kids to overtly and dramatically profess their love for her are really common with BPD’s. Imagine having such low self-esteem that you seek validation of your worth through manipulating a toddler… Read more »
“Imagine having such low self-esteem that you seek validation of your worth through manipulating a toddler into saying that she loves you?”
(Fanfare) Motherhood! (Chorus of Angels)
@Caveclown
“Imagine having such low self-esteem that you seek validation of your worth through manipulating a toddler into saying that she loves you?”
Oh the nights terrors
Indeed, the slavish love many mothers demand of their children is actually oppressive and selfish. I saw this in my baby-mama so many times I stopped noting it. But, as a result, In my daughter’s world, her mom’s feelings matter a lot, whereas mine are not even to be considered or discussed. I’ve also seen the opposite with boys, in fact one of my sisters treats her son as an interloper, an interrupt and constantly shames him. His fat, obnoxious older sister gets non-stop love and kindness. But I balance it out, and I’ve been coaching his Dad to step… Read more »
I’m wondering if a BPD Chick is really that different from a Dark Triad Alpha? Just like many Betas treat women as they would like to be treated themselves, I see quite a few women doing the same mistake, trying to copy the game of the Alphas they would like to fuck. Needless to say it doesn’t make them more attractive, quite the opposite. I’m also wondering, how to get such “wrong game” (generally, not necessarily BPD) out of them the best way. Of course “It’s unattractive, change or next” works somehow. But that’s not enough to teach them good… Read more »
I am re-reading the first book as part of an effort to capture, reconsider, more throughly comprehend and apply knowledge found there. This is an ongoing process that involves rehashing specific topics previously glossed over or missed. Over a year has transpired since my first reading. I am going back over my mental work, dotting each “i”, crossing each “t” and removing any remaining weeds of personal delusion, betaism and vagueness. Certain nuggets of truth previously overlooked and sharper clarity on others are popping out at me against the background of the initial read and about a year of experience.… Read more »
@Blaximus
“You can build your assertiveness. The easiest way is to learn to say ” NO “. ”
This is gold. Life is all about what we do and what we allow… Learn to say ‘NO!’. One of my favorite sayings is, “‘No’ is a complete sentence.”
Rollo, Guys: Today, my boy got back a paternity test, and, (((drum roll))) – He’s NOT the father! She is basically the last chic he dated, who epitomised FI socialisation to the max, had his (or at least what he thought was his) kid around a year ago…after they broke up! She was/is cut from the quintessential “Man up” cloth… from my first interactions with her I always knew she was a conniving hoe. This is my boys last relationship, ended in 2012, and now, thank fuck he is unplugged. She would rail him, put him down, tell him to… Read more »
@rugby
No idea what that clip is from, but sounds about right.
The movie “girl interrupted” with angelina jolie is my wife’s favorite movie.
“Note: Funny thing is, the first 4 doctors he consulted told him it was ‘illegal’ (????) if the mother hadn’t given consent and was absent.” True in a vast majority of places in the US. Usually only applies if they are not married. If you’re married, you can get the test but it requires both parents consent. Good luck ever getting a paternity test, from an in-person lab, on the sly. (use a mail-in kit) (hell, i ran into an urgent care the other day that would not treat my kid without my wife’s approval…said they were doing it for… Read more »
and round and round it goes… http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dems-declare-war-on-words-husband-wife/article/2567925 I see the reason in the change proposed in light of SSM now being legal, but the subtext is important in that the effect is to eliminate terms of patriarchy. With end of the legal impact of those terms is the formal end of the contextual, and implied contractual definitions of those terms. Now men and women are equal in marriage as each have the same legal title: spouse. As such the idea of husband is thereby dead and any associated privileges or distinctions erased. Of course that’s true of the concept of… Read more »
@lh :- ” quite a few women doing the same mistake, trying to copy the game of the Alphas they would like to fuck. “ No, the real thing seen up close and personal is so much not deliberate, and indeed totally out-to-lunch uncontrolled it’s unmistakable. Like Dr sjfrellc said, they have demons screaming in their brains. All the time. They are irreparably broken and fucked-up in ways beyond imagining, unless you’ve experienced it, and have the legendary “strength” of the truly insane. DTAlpha is probably the only way to counter it and survive, though. For as long as one… Read more »
O sugar. Tag fail to the max. Never mind
Oh and something else in common I forgot to include in my lecture; could be an important field recording.
Daddy Issues out the wazoo. Like you wouldn’t believe in “grown” women. Mommy Dearest veered between “invisible” and “viciously loathed” depending on the Moon, or something.
O fuck no Rollo it’s hurting my eyes. Could you, would you ?
There’s a bolding and italic close buggeration at “right now!”
And an italic opener at “is” between “described” and “diff.” I have no idea how to fix the bolding of the whole last section. Should stop writing how I speak, I suppose. Do it properly, like a book. Bloody hard, takes three times as long at least.
@Tam the Bam: Does female manipulation ever appear deliberate? My question about fixing their game was not about fixing BPD but trying to copy BadBoy style or behavior for example. I think this whole tattoo thing (though not fixable once it’s done) is something like that. No female ever became more beautiful by a tattoo or more attractive by acting cool, not giving a shit. Still there is an epidemic of women trying this because they love men being that way. Rollo has written about the lack of female seduction skills. I wonder how to improve them. What seems to… Read more »
Rollo Tomassi ‘Doin’ It Live (again)’
listening now
Rollo Tomassi -Interviewed by Tom Torero
http://therationalmale.com/2015/07/09/doin-it-live-again/
https://itun.es/i6L57L2
#iTunes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1t64ihak6Y
#YouTube