Building Better Worlds

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I had an interesting conversation this week with my good friend Ray and a couple of my designers, Sadie and Sam (names changed to protect the innocent). Just a little background first; Sadie is the Japanese woman I mention in Mental Point of Origin. She’s been divorced once and her relationship history is one punctuated by her involvement with Beta men.

She’s is the definition of the opportunistic concept of female love, but her frustration comes from never having been able to consolidate on an optimized Hypergamy – she simply doesn’t have attractiveness or feminine pleasantry to generate the Alpha interest that would satisfy her. Thus, she attracts Beta orbiters looking for some low hanging fruit, and force-fits them into a contextual Alpha frame. In other words, she opportunistically entertains the Betas with provisioning potential and hopes they’ll man up into dominant Alphas. Thus far she’s been disappointed.

Sam is a gay man in his early 30s who makes a good living afforded by not having children and possessing a high calibre technical skill set. He’s got the outgoing, “look at me, I’m special because I’m gay” exuberance I expect from gay men, but he’s not flamboyant and can still be professional when he has to be. He’s been “dating” a new guy for a while now and has moved this guy into his home recently. He took part in our conversation because the issues of sharing resources, money and picking up half the rent (in his case mortgage) in a relationship came up.

Ray has been one of my best friends for over 15 years now and he’s the guy I mention in Good Girls Do. He’s worked for me directly or indirectly for most of that time and he’s notorious for starting conversations like this when we have downtime. He’s a firestarter, it’s what I like about him, and among the three he’s the only one who knows my online reputation. Ray is Red Pill aware so he knows how to prompt a controversial conversation with me when we’re in mixed company.

Ray: “RT, hypothetical question…”

RT: “Do I have to?”

Ray: “Let’s say you move your girlfriend in with you…”

RT: “Let’s say I don’t and I would never do that. End of hypothetical.”

Ray: “No, I know, but, say you did, and let’s say your rent is $1,000 a month. Would you tell your girlfriend ‘Hey the rent is $1,000 a month how about you pay $300 and I’ll pay $700 or would you say 50/50?”

RT: “No. I’d pay it all myself. I’d also be sure that only my name was on the lease.”

Sadie:”What? Why, that’s silly?”

Ray: “You wouldn’t expect any contribution?”

RT: “No. I wouldn’t turn it down if she took it upon herself to contribute, but I wouldn’t expect it from a girl I (foolishly) brought into my living arrangement.”

Sadie: “You wouldn’t expect her to pay half?”

RT: “No. If I can’t provide my own $1,000 rent or food, or to keep the lights on, I have no business bringing a woman into that arrangement. If I have more than enough for myself I don’t need her paying. Besides, if she’s that into living with me, she’ll want to contribute in other ways and I wont have to ask.”

Sam: “You don’t think it should be an equal split? Maybe that’s a man and a woman thing…”

RT: “Yes and no. I’m sure between you and your boyfriend there’s a more dominant personality right?”

Sam: “Yeah, me.”

RT: “And you probably make more money too. So there’s really no ‘equality’ when it comes down to it.”

Sadie: “I expect my boyfriend to pay half the rent.”

RT: “Of course you do, because women think in terms of equality when it works to their advantage. What if your ‘boyfriend’ could pay for all the rent, utilities and most of everything else? Would you still try to pay half?”

Sadie: “Yes of course.”

RT: “What if he only paid just half and you knew it was a better deal for him?

Sadie: (tentative) “Yes,…”

RT: “I doubt that, but what you’re saying is that you’d limit improving your way of life to maintain a belief in equality.”

Sadie: “All the guy’s I’ve lived with have been mooches.”

RT: “Which explains why you’re not living with them any more. It goes both ways, women don’t respect men they need to support. All this stuff about equality in relationships is nonsense.If your boyfriend could easily make rent while you struggled to come up with it you’d resent him for it. There is no equal division.”

Sam: “I guess I see what you’re saying, but the expectation is still the same even for me and [boyfriend].

RT: “There is no equality in a relationship, but there can be complementarity where either person’s benefits can offset the needs of the other.”

Ray: “So you and Mrs. T aren’t 50/50?”

RT: “Ray, I make about 4 times the money that she does, how is there ever going to be anything like equality with that kind of balance?”

Ray: “But what about chores and shit?”

RT: “I take care of the outside of the house, she takes care of the inside. I do the smelly dirty jobs, she keeps the fresh cleaning ones, it’s not rocket science.”

Sam: “Sounds like you just want to stay in the power position.”

RT: “Yes, but it’s only a power play if you’re exploiting your partner. Women like to say they want an equal partner, but they don’t, do they Sadie? They want someone to respect and look up to. So when that comes down to numbers, to money, what’s really holding you together? Love? Mutual interests? (at Sam) Right now you can’t help but be the more dominant one in your relationship. So do you stop being so just to balance things? Do you expect [boyfriend] to pick up the slack more?

The Cardinal Rule of Relationships

In any relationship, the person with the most power is the one who needs the other the least.

This principle isn’t so much about ‘power’ as it is about control. This might sound like semantics, but it makes a difference. It’s very easy to slip into binary arguments and think that what I mean by the cardinal rule of relationships is that one participant must absolutely rule over the other – a domineering dominant to a doormat submissive. Control in a healthy relationship passes back and forth as desire and need dictate for each partner. In an unhealthy relationship you have an unbalanced manipulation of this control by a partner. Although control is never in complete balance, it becomes manipulation when one partner, in essence blackmails, the other with what would otherwise be a reinforcer for the manipulated under a healthy circumstance. This happens for a plethora different reasons, but the condition comes about by two ways – the submissive participant becomes conditioned to allow the manipulation to occur and/or the dominate initiates the manipulation. In either case the rule still holds true – the one who needs the other the least has the most control. Nowhere is this more evident than in interpersonal relationships.

When I was writing this post many years ago I hadn’t fully considered how this rule interacts with, and contradicts, many of the tenets of egalitarian equalism. The idealistic state of that equalism is one in which two co-equal, yet independent people come together in a perfect union of balance. In theory that balance should account for resources, emotional investment, family considerations, as well as intellectual and social status aspects of either partner.

These considerations alone should be enough to illustrate equalitarianism as the manipulative farce it is, however, all we really need to do is take into account the Cardinal Rule of Relationships. It’s very easy to be accused of being controlling when you embrace the truth of this rule – and particularly so when the reigning social undercurrent is one in which everyone ought to be co-equal rational actors.

I expected to have that leveled at me in this conversation, but it’s important to bear in mind the real nature of power. By my own definition, power is the degree of control we exercise over the direction of our own lives. As I mentioned, I don’t mind being the more powerful partner in terms of resources in my marriage because I accept that stupid notions of maintaining anything like “equality” is simply infeasible. I know more than a few men who’ve sold their lives’ potential away in the belief that they should lessen themselves in order to support a more balanced, equalist ideal. Ultimately their relationships, marriages and families suffer because they never own that potential – just the idea of owning it is a source of guilt and shame.

For all of the bleating about more equitability being needed between men and women. the fundamental truth is that it’s neither a realistic nor workable state. I’ve used money for my illustration here, but this applies to many other facets of an intersexual relationship. From an equalist perspective this sounds a lot like a want for creating a condition of dependency, but in truth it is an unachievable state of egalitarianism that creates a never-satisfied state of dependency.

Her World or Yours?

If you go back and look at the video from Bachelor Nation you can see the dichotomy that presumptions of “equality” sows in western(izing) women today. Within the first 6 minutes of the video we see the internal contradictions inherent in women. There is a want for an idealized equal pairing, but yet a desire for a man to be a Man. The documentary finds the root of this dichotomy in modern resource imbalances between the sexes, and makes the predictable appeal to men not living up to their burden of performance. The male shame comes in contrasting women’s taking on what should be men’s performance burdens – the male obligation to which ironically flies in the face of anything like true egalitarian equalism.

Stay-at-home dads, house husbands, and anything relatable will always have a stigma attached to them in spite of any weak attempts to make them socially acceptable. That stigma is founded in a limbic-level understanding of men’s burden of performance; to be a Man is not just to produce sustainable resources, but to provide a surplus of those resources.

I recently read a poll sponsored by Forbes magazine that listed men’s top goals in life and for the first time in that poll’s history “a good physique” outranked all personal and financial ambitions for top executives. The predictable shame then followed that men aren’t “Manning Up” any more, and they’ve become vain, self-absorbed narcissists for a new focus on what image they present.

The obvious Red Pill conclusion is of course a realignment with the prevailing social perceptions (courtesy of the Feminine Imperative I might add) that women are out-earning men financially and educationally; thus the Alpha Fucks side of Hypergamy takes precedent. If America’s top execs are heeding the message of Open Hypergamy, why bother establishing yourself financially, academically, ambition-wise or otherwise?

The problem with this equation is evident in the Bachelor Nation video. I can understand the sentiments of MGTOW; if the opinions expressed by the quality of woman represented in the video are any indicator of a female zeitgeist it makes the idea of abandoning the Game altogether that much more appealing.

That said, and I’m going to dare to get prescriptive here, I believe that establishing yourself as an independent Man should be your top priority. I have no doubt that that sentiment will get convoluted with feminism’s Strong Independent Woman® meme, but lets clarify something first – the ideal that men ought to be strong and independent has always been the precursor to his quality as a man. Independence, self-sufficiency and determined ambitions have always been the hallmarks of a man comfortable with his burden of performance. Only in women is independence a novelty.

Yet now, in men, this independence is not just a novelty, but it’s been distorted into being an obsessive-compulsive sign of a man’s imagined insecurities. The very strength and independence men have always been expected to embody is the domain of women, while any hope for it from men is a sign of a fragile ego.

Iron Rule of Tomassi #1

Frame is everything. Always be aware of the subconscious balance of who’s frame in which you are operating. Always control the Frame, but resist giving the impression that you are.

I firmly believe Alpha is a mindset. That mindset can get the poorest son-of-a-bitch laid with the right application, tact and circumstance. That’s a tough pill to swallow when you work your ass off in the belief that your affluence and status should be the metric Alpha is judged by and women respond to. That’s also not to say affluence and status won’t get you laid by their own merit, it’s just the context in which that happens that makes the difference. There are many men who’ve found their retroactive cuckolding after having based their personal successes on the presumption that those successes should be the basis of his quality to women.

The concept of frame covers a lot of aspects of our daily lives, some of which we’re painfully aware of, others we are not, but nonetheless we are passively influenced by frame. What concerns us in terms of inter-gender relations however is the way in which frame sets the environment, the ambience, and the ‘reality’ in which we relate with both the woman we sarge at a bar and the relationship with the woman we’ve lived with for 20 years. One important fact to consider, before I launch into too much detail, is to understand that frame is NOT power. The act of controlling the frame may be an exercise in power for some, but let me be clear from the start that the concept of frame is who’s ‘reality’ in which you choose to operate in relation to a woman. Both gender’s internalized concept of  frame is influenced by our individual acculturation, socialization, psychological conditioning, upbringing, education, etc., but be clear on this, you are either operating in your own frame or you’re operating in hers. Also understand that the balance of frame often shifts. Frame is fluid and will find its own level when a deficit or a surplus of will is applied to change it. The forces that influence that lack or boost of will is irrelevant – just know that the conditions of an operative framework will shift because of them.

We can go back and debate the Crisis of Motive once again – who do you really do it for? – but in terms of Frame, even if you subscribe to a MGTOW perspective, it’s important for a Man to have a world into which a woman might enter. Not for her sake, but for a Man’s edification.

Establish your world; you shall make your mission, not your woman your priority. Women should only ever be a complement to a man’s life, never the focus of it.

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Mad Yale Grad
Mad Yale Grad
8 years ago

Insanity, “I do think Tomassi focuses entirely too much on female solipsism and I think he fails to realize that women are far more capable of empathy then he imagines. Women who don’t empathize with men have been indoctrinated and trained not to. It is not natural to us.” – Empathy may not be the best word. People see things from their own point of reference. I know a mom who loves her sons tremendously. But when I asked her if she would want one or both of her sons wifing up a multiple baby mama when older she said,… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
8 years ago

@Glenn I get where you’re going with your comments to me. Really, you know as well as I do that I’m slowly figuring out my game, enjoying getting in better shape, and enjoying finally getting some style. Still, there’s always a part of me I’m sure you can relate to that at least wanted to try to build the family that I never had as a kid. Letting go of that part isn’t easy. I guess I’m just sad I never even got to try, and when I look around I see that no attractive young chick will want to,… Read more »

Mad Yale Grad
Mad Yale Grad
8 years ago

“I agree, if she wants to help pay some stuff..that’s cool. And I’ll do the yardwork, the painting, the plumbing and I will kill all manner of varmit that meanders inside from the great outdoors. I do that because it is understood that I am a valuable man providing, and that means what I say fucking goes. ”

Women will say they are also providing value and therefore what they say goes. Or at least they have an equal say.

Mad Yale Grad
Mad Yale Grad
8 years ago

This is a good mens’ channel on Youtube. Another commenter posted the “When a Man Loves a Woman” commentary but the other videos address pertinent issues too.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAkHiwTy6aPMGby98hmuUhg

bodusafa
8 years ago

@softek
I appreciate the koan. I think a lot of my detachment is based on my buddhist reading. Im usually just a lurker but I posted just because I wanted you to know your not alone feeling this way. The weirdest part is Im at the most stable point of my life and yet more lost then ever. At least when I was a hedonist I could focus on the next fuck or drink but now that I understand its a manifestation of my frustration at a lack of purpose the vices dont sooth the way they used to.

Mad Yale Grad
Mad Yale Grad
8 years ago

“Sex? Having sex doesn’t mean she’s not a ” good girl “. Sex is a strong urge in humans and I’d fully expect for her to be human.” – Yeah I don’t now where people get this kind of idea, “Young hot women primed to want casual sex by the culture ” The Dalrockians even claim Christianity taught them women didn’t like sex. Er, what? If Christianity really does teach that then it needs to be renounced forever, everywhere, once and for all. I’d more likely believe that snakes can talk and men can live inside the mouths of whales… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
8 years ago

“I agree, if she wants to help pay some stuff..that’s cool. And I’ll do the yardwork, the painting, the plumbing and I will kill all manner of varmit that meanders inside from the great outdoors. I do that because it is understood that I am a valuable man providing, and that means what I say fucking goes. ” Women will say they are also providing value and therefore what they say goes. Or at least they have an equal say. Notice, I said ” It’s understood ” that I’m a valuable man providing. If it’s understood, there will be no… Read more »

Softek
Softek
8 years ago

@ Sun

How does that whole thing work? What’s a TS3 server? How do you access it and all that? I’ve only peeked out at the world from under my rock a few times over the past 20 years and I don’t understand how this kind of witchcraft works.

Mad Yale Grad
Mad Yale Grad
8 years ago

Softek, “I almost ended up like one of those guys back when I was in school. Ha. I actually had a CD with this song on it in my car and would listen to it on my way to college every day….”

What about this one?

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
8 years ago

@Softek

It’s a group voice chat server. Software is at:
http://www.teamspeak.com/?page=downloads

You just need headphones and a mic hooked up to your PC. Figured it would be a quick easy way to get you in touch with Glenn if you guys wanted to use it. Server address to connect to is neo.teamspeak.net with no password, just use your handle from here for name.

Mad Yale Grad
Mad Yale Grad
8 years ago

“Notice, I said ” It’s understood ” that I’m a valuable man providing. If it’s understood, there will be no pushback. Pushback springs from ignorance.”

Its obviously understood that she’s a valuable woman providing something too, else you wouldn’t have her there, right?

“There is no equal.”

Does that apply racially as well?

Blaximus
Blaximus
8 years ago

MYG,

I see what you’re doing there.

” Does that apply racially as well?”
Ohhhh, you’re clever.

But yes. It does apply racially. Men of all colors are not equal to women of all colors. There still is no equal.

Blaximus
Blaximus
8 years ago

And it’s not cute when you fucking bait me.

stuttie
8 years ago

@ Blax – MYG is one of those tiny german cockroaches that are much harder to stomp on. Let the baits take care of it…

Mad Yale Grad
Mad Yale Grad
8 years ago

softek – go do this, get back to us in 20

Mad Yale Grad
Mad Yale Grad
8 years ago

Oh come on, there’s no bait. You of all people here should know that “there is no equal” and “what I say fucking goes” are arguments used by bigots to usurp authority over other humans they deem beneath them. The most productive demographic could use your “I’m a man of value providing” to wrestle away the rights, autonomy and sovereignty of less contributory citizens. “Men of all colors are not equal to women of all colors.” But are men of all colors equal to each other? Are women of all colors equal to each other? Are women of all colors… Read more »

Jeremy
8 years ago

The fastest Olympic female sprinter will be blown off the track by an Olympic male sprinter.

Actually, Olympic female track records (including sprinting) are broken on High School Mens teams not too irreguarly, and routinely on mens college teams. The physical differences are *that* stark, high school boys run as well as the fastest women in the world.

M Simon
8 years ago

Vulpine
May 21st, 2015 at 2:28 pm

The best and most succinct advice for troubled humans.

Leave the past behind.

Simple advice. Difficult to follow.

M Simon
8 years ago

Mad Yale Grad May 21st, 2015 at 9:22 pm OK. F head. Ashkenaz Jews score one standard deviation above average humans. What does that mean? They are WAY over represented on the high end tails. What does that mean in terms of human (as opposed to economic or scholastic) value? Zero. Life insights can come from any human. So what is the value of a life? And BTW you disgusting human (and I use the term loosely) person. I’m an Ashkenaz Jew. I was told when I was rather young that I’m more than four standard deviations above average in… Read more »

M Simon
8 years ago

Mad Yale Grad
May 21st, 2015 at 9:13 pm

Women are 1/2 standard deviation below men when it comes to sex drive. It can’t be zero drive for women or they would never reproduce. But it can’t be as high as men or they couldn’t wait for that Alpha.

You can deduce the difference from the fact that 1% of women and 3% of men are interested in fetishistic sex. That is the tail. From that you can estimate the difference in the mean.

Mad Yale Grad
Mad Yale Grad
8 years ago

“Transgenderism is a mental disorder: In the vast majority of cases, children who say they’re transgender and act that way change their minds about being the opposite sex—if you just leave them alone.According to a recent Hastings Center report, gender dysphoria does not persist into adulthood in up to 73 to 94 percent of cases (citing the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, which noted dysphoria continuing in only 6 to 23 percent of boys and 12 to 27 percent of girls.)” – Nobody gives a sex change operation to a child, or starts them on hormones, until years of… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
8 years ago

MYG,

You, madam, are trollerific.

I’m not interested in your bs today.

No need for condescension

I’m a big man on campus, and anywhere else I go. Don’t worry about me and my slippery slopes, I got this.

Mad Yale Grad
Mad Yale Grad
8 years ago

“OK. F head. Ashkenaz Jews score one standard deviation above average humans. What does that mean? They are WAY over represented on the high end tails. What does that mean in terms of human (as opposed to economic or scholastic) value? Zero. Life insights can come from any human. So what is the value of a life? And BTW you disgusting human (and I use the term loosely) person. I’m an Ashkenaz Jew. I was told when I was rather young that I’m more than four standard deviations above average in brain power. How much more they wouldn’t say. And… Read more »

Thelien
Thelien
8 years ago

Thanks for the post… and I love the discussion on forestry/gardening. “I take care of the outside of the house, she takes care of the inside. I do the smelly dirty jobs, she keeps the fresh cleaning ones, it’s not rocket science.” Wise. A Russian proverb says man and dog are for the yard, woman and cat are for the house. Given the freezing weather, the latter were lucky. “Interesting discussion about ‘good girls’. I’ll just add this in disagreement to something said – they tend to be girls who value themselves highly and have extremely high standards.” In my… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
8 years ago

@Softek

Get on Teamspeak if you can. I’ll be there for like 1/2 hour or so more. Be good to talk to ya.

SFC Ton
8 years ago

Could you explain that bit about mgtow kfg?

Here is the thing Jeremy, a good deal of the hate is conning from supposedly pro masculine / red pill side.

Awesome line about Ludites and mgtow.

Jack LeBear
Jack LeBear
8 years ago

@ Forge the sky, Softek I started out with faith in the MDs. Made the rounds of the Prozac, Zoloft etc. The scripts that worked best was a combination of Effexor and Wellbutrin with some imipramine thrown in for good measure, but it barely controlled the depression and had obnoxious side effects. BTW, research shows that SSRIs barely work better than placebo and that in fact in depression there is an excess of serotonin signalling which the SSRI immediately makes worse, hence the temporary increase in suicides and homicidal rampages as MYG alluded to. I finally got better when I… Read more »

The Diplomat
The Diplomat
8 years ago

“And that’s about enough spam from MYG”

The threads here are getting so long (which is great, BTW) and I tend to read everything. But this heavy troll spamming really clogs up the pipes.

Rollo, you’re a better man than I am…you give way more leeway to them than I ever would or could.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
8 years ago

@sjfrellc & Forge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dashrath_Manjhi

That’s a Man.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
8 years ago

@Softek

We sat around and shot the shit waiting for you for a while man. Hope you’re doing alright.

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

@M Simon: ” I was told when I was rather young that I’m more than four standard deviations above average in brain power. How much more they wouldn’t say. ” They had better understanding than most. That far out on the tail and the number is meaningless. “More than four standard deviations” is the correct precision. @SFC Ton: “Could you explain that bit about mgtow kfg?” If you listen to their conversations long enough, it turns out that Bad Boy to Steady Eddy, doesn’t mean someone who does bad things. It means someone who isn’t following the script that they… Read more »

lulu
lulu
8 years ago

Interesting discussion of Dominance/Submission here. Have you ever explored the world of consensual D/S? I have gotten plenty of inspirations from that world and it gets me thinking deep about the D/S dynamic in relationships.
Also: “Establish your world; you shall make your mission, not your woman your priority. Women should only ever be a complement to a man’s life, never the focus of it.”
As I therapist I can tell you this is what we teach women too. So it seems like a great personal development suggestion for both sexes. 🙂

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

“As I therapist I can tell you this is what we teach women too. So it seems like a great personal development suggestion for both sexes.”

Well it’s certainly good for your business.

Will
Will
8 years ago

@sfrellc I keep up with manosphere (ch and rollo and roosh). I read the male experience. I agree with everything these guys say and it makes sense. However I think there’s some intense intense overanalysis that occurs (especially with rollo). The analysis makes sense, but it’s almost overanalysis that will make you live a paranoid and anxious life. Personally, I do think this intergender analysis has to be more simple than the manosphere makes it out to be. I think it’s a numbers game. You date girls until you find one that is *into you and your style*. Through dating… Read more »

rugby11ljh
rugby11ljh
8 years ago
Reply to  Will

@SFC TON “Others… just turn the comment section into an internet circle jerk. Sure those dudes are smarter, better read etc then I am, but they remind me of little boys, stomping around in their daddy’s work boots, thinking if they make enough noise some one will mistake them for a grown ass man. Then there are the would be tyrants, attempting to dictate how other men should pursue life.” Moving away from being a pretentious smart ass. Thanks for putting that out there I think I am whining and not changing fast enough. Won’t post unless I am doing… Read more »

M Simon
8 years ago

Just for the record I do not believe in equality of talent, or knowledge. I do not believe women are the same as men. We see this in the STEM field. There has been a huge push to get women into STEM. It is kind of working. Women are at about 20%. But STEM doesn’t do affirmative action. There is kind of a tacit agreement that standards should be held. Airplanes falling out of the sky and bridge failure are still considered important. So it looks like because of interest and ability women are never going to be 50/50 in… Read more »

M Simon
8 years ago

From the Misandry Bubble link: **************** Can you suggest or give an idea on how I can do the above? Hmmm…. interesting question. I am of the belief that the hierarchy of misandric zeal is : Hardcore feminists > Manginas/whiteknights > Average Women. The average woman just wants to side with whoever is winning. If feminism seems like it is losing, they will pretend they never supported it. They are dishonest that way, but they don’t really have enthusiasm for feminism either…. Manginas/whiteknights, however, are the ones who write and enforce all these laws. Among ways to destroy them are… Read more »

M Simon
8 years ago

In a way RT is portraying girls as selfish horrible monsters. But they are. I followed your advice (find one that is really into you) well before you were there to give it. And it is less horrible than it could have been (no divorce so far – 40+ years). But women these days (as a rule) do not believe in the value of submission. Even if you show it to them by getting them to live it for a while. I made it so good for her that she said, “If I knew it was going to be this… Read more »

Hobbes
Hobbes
8 years ago

This is an interesting post. The way I have come to see money insofar as women are concerned is that I expect them to pony up and even make them buy me drinks. The 24 yr old I was telling the guys about in our tabletalk this week picked up the tab. But then again, my philosophy now is to not encourage women placing me in the provider category. When I was last in a long term relationship with my ex, and we lived together, I made more and so payed more. but then we had future plans and I… Read more »

SFC Ton
8 years ago

Thanks kfg; I concur

Class-Punk
8 years ago

Identifying with MGTOW for 2 or 3 years, I’ve come to the conclusion that it is impossible for a man to be truly content and not prioritize his needs first in the same way that women do. I don’t like frame or selfishness in the sense of dominating people, being overtly cocky, and having no sense of the power of tact and kindness– I rather see frame in the context I might use it as an understanding of the importance of survival and wellbeing, which still is not totally selfish, in that like anyone, I will inevitably connect with others… Read more »

longgone
longgone
8 years ago

@kfg,

Wish she’d take her busy-ness elsewhere….

Glenn
Glenn
8 years ago

@Softek – I just got back online, had a gig last night and reached out over email just a few moments ago. Suffice it to say this. When you are as depressed as you seem to be, my experience is that you can’t “think your way out of it”, yeah? Depression can be seen as a fundamental loss of of perspective in a way and when as lost as you seem to be right now, well, for me it was always nearly impossible to work my way out. As for meds, dude, I hear you. I was on 5 at… Read more »

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
8 years ago

@Will May 22nd, 2015 at 2:27 am “The analysis makes sense, but it’s almost overanalysis that will make you live a paranoid and anxious life.” Finding your dream girl and then discovering after a short time or long time that she is indifferent to you and moves on to another guy can make you paranoid and anxious. You sound like you want a dream girl and want to get married. Once you get married you can’t next the girl and you will be harmed if she nexts you. Knowledge of Roosh and Rollo does not equal understanding. Not understanding The… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
8 years ago

@Blaximus – You are my new role model, Jesus, if I’d treated my daughter like that who knows where I’d be today. Sorry @Sun, I’m cheating on you… @Ton – I consider it a compliment of the highest order that we share strategems wrt “hunting”, lol. Try to keep in mind I was defanged for 50 fucking years, or better said, I intentionally retracted my fangs so my hunting skills are all fucked up. Hell, I’m fucked up as a hunter period. I took a look at your blog finally – had no idea you had one, I rarely go… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
8 years ago

@Glenn

@Blaximus – You are my new role model, Jesus, if I’d treated my daughter like that who knows where I’d be today. Sorry @Sun, I’m cheating on you…

I’ll live, sweetheart.

Chump No More
Chump No More
8 years ago

@M Simon
“I work in electronics, computers, control etc. The best engineers are mustangs. Engineers that started out as bench technicians.”

I would absolutely agree with this. I got my start as a Navy Reactor Operator, worked as tech in commercial nukes for a number of years, and then to particle physics research after earning my electrical & computer engineering degrees.

I have NEVER met an engineer that was remotely worth his salt that didn’t have previous experience as a tech. The critical thinking and intuitive skills that you develop in that time are priceless.

Jeremy
8 years ago

@Chump No More

I have NEVER met an engineer that was remotely worth his salt that didn’t have previous experience as a tech. The critical thinking and intuitive skills that you develop in that time are priceless.

This is why apprenticeships worked and our collegiate system does not.

I was fortunate. While my degrees are in pure science, I spent every spare minute outside of class in a laboratory, I couldn’t get enough lab time.

bodusafa
8 years ago

@Will Open your eyes and stop thinking with your dick. You are only on this site and buying Rollos books because you are in a society with over sexualized marketing. Leading you to be sexually frustrated so you perform and buy things. Its how our society sustains itself by manipulating everyone not just women. Our first world governments blew housing bubbles by playing on womens nesting instincts. Game is so much more than sticking your dick in things. Most of your behavior is driven by subtle manipulation. The manosphere is just another herd being manipulated. This is why Im a… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
8 years ago

MYG-

How many children do you have?

Jeremy
8 years ago

@Will However I think there’s some intense intense overanalysis that occurs (especially with rollo). The analysis makes sense, but it’s almost overanalysis that will make you live a paranoid and anxious life. Your comment is another note in the siren song of the FI. It tries to convince men that freedom does not mean eternal vigilance, which as anyone knows, is axiomatic. Paranoia is an irrational anxiety, and anxiety is a normal emotion only for those who lack a sense of control over their life. Game awareness is neither of those things. Being aware of how women can screw you… Read more »

Not Born This Morning
Not Born This Morning
8 years ago

Its like learning anything else that involves risks, like riding a bike. The first time you try to ride, you are anxious to not fall, embarrass yourself, etc. By learning balance, what to watch out for, etc. the skill becomes automatic and seems effortless, becomes enjoyable.

Vulpine
Vulpine
8 years ago

Hah! I crack myself up. Preface: I was on hold, and back-and-forth with some estate stuff on my desk, so I kept “getting back to whatever it was I was trying to get at”. The result? An essay I Apple-X’d and Apple-V’d into a new text document for part of a book I’m imagining. See, for as long as I can remember, I’ve got “(real name), you should really be a writer.” Vulpine’s gotten it plenty too, and (real name) appreciates the recognition, but never actually fully considered the option as lucrative. And, I still don’t. [read on.] Well, I… Read more »

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
8 years ago

A big tip of my wide-brimmed hat to Sun Wukong, that mischievious commentator on a mission to make himself a better man and reach out to other red pill aware men to enhance his awareness and theirs. Thank you for getting my notch count on having a Jamais Vu moment up to four in my life. He invited Forge the Sky and myself with an invitation to Softek (for obvious motivations) and Glenn to have a round-table discussion on Teamspeak 3 client with a computer, a microphone and headphone or ear buds “In psychology, jamais vu , (from French, meaning… Read more »

Vulpine
Vulpine
8 years ago

I hope Softek is out kicking ass somewhere in real life, and, I’ll beam some good ju-ju his way. -dude could use some positive vibes.

Vulpine
Vulpine
8 years ago

sifrellc, I bookmarked that page.

I need to get my “doing stuff” clothes on, though, so I’ll crack that can o’ worms when it’s dark out.

Vulpine
Vulpine
8 years ago

lol@shark jumpin’ Tucker Max

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
8 years ago

@Jeremy May 22nd, 2015 at 12:33 pm “Game awareness quenches anxiety because it gives men more control over their sexual lives. It does the exact opposite of what you are proposing that it does.” That is 100% my experience. Thanks for saying that out loud. @Will Rollo quote: “Real Power is the degree to which a person has control over their own circumstances. Real Power is the degree to which we control the directions of our lives.” Will, do you want real power? It sounds like you do from your comments. And it sounds like you are going to need… Read more »

Chump No More
Chump No More
8 years ago

@Vulpine

Spot on, Bro… the Zombie apocalypse is now and the blue-pilled are the walking dead, they just don’t know it.

The Red Pill is the cure!

Jeremy
8 years ago

What exactly is the Tucker Max story?

Roosh needs to learn a trade, then he wouldn’t feel the pressure to start a personality cult for food money. Or he could go Captain Capitalism style, move back to the states and become a night-shift security guard.

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
8 years ago

@Jeremy

http://mattforney.com/tucker-max-portrait-thieving-manchild/

@ Rollo

While you are at modifying your blogroll, can you spell Chateau Heartise with an “a” before the “u”?

alexzukov
8 years ago

Karl Jung wrote about it in Men and his symbols.

CaveClown
CaveClown
8 years ago

“For what it’s worth I’ve officially removed Roosh from my blogroll. He’s finally jumped the shark and is systematically throwing the manosphere under the bus in order to reinvent himself and his revenue sources. I predict he will go full Tucker Max inside the next month.” The irony of his driving revenue and the selling of his products, by slamming PUA’s for driving revenue and selling their products. Weird. And then pointing out that game has to be backed by an ideology, after slamming the red pill…which you may recognize as the “ideology” behind game. Strange. Well…at least it ain’t… Read more »

Chump No More
Chump No More
8 years ago

This is becoming sadly predictable

When hubris and greed takes over, the brand becomes more important than the message, and the backstabbing begins

Jack LeBear
Jack LeBear
8 years ago

@ Glenn, What part about me saying that you can do better than SSRIs didn’t you get? Did you follow any of the links in my post of May 21 11:35PM? Do you not believe that I have had experience treating suicidal depression in myself with meds and discovering that you you can do a lot better with nutraceuticals? Did you not read Softek saying he tried SSRIs and found them wanting? This is an emergency for Softek and for most people SAMe is more effective and works faster than any med. And you can go to the store and… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
8 years ago

@Rollo

I predict he will go full Tucker Max inside the next month.

Hope you’re wrong, but I bet you’re right.

I do wish the guy luck. A man’s gotta eat and all.

sjfrellc
sjfrellc
8 years ago

I’m not actually sitting at the keyboard all week. I spent last weekend as I before mentioned above getting together in nature with guys with a like-minded passion for wildlife habitat. I cured a few dozen patients of their skin cancers during the week. I put my son on a flight to Europe for a month to study (8 credit hours through the state university). Half-way through sealing the brick patio. Planning to get out to the farm this weekend to do some habitat work and take a tour of my property with a prominent deer hunter and habitat enthusiast.… Read more »

redlight
redlight
8 years ago

roosh the V

nice branding “neomasculinity”, a “world tour” and now labeling us “emotional redpill”. I could get angry about this but that would be emotional. Instead I’m going nihilist, “nothing really matters, nothing really matters to me, anyway the wind blows”

Side note on badboy novel “After” – it has a billion downloads according to the site, which some might see as neofeminism

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
8 years ago

@Jeremy This is why apprenticeships worked and our collegiate system does not. I was fortunate. While my degrees are in pure science, I spent every spare minute outside of class in a laboratory, I couldn’t get enough lab time. Adding another voice to this pile: most of my college work was in art, but while I was taking those classes I was working as a PC bench technician. A couple years later as a web designer and network admin. Fifteen years after that I’m now working as a software/hardware dev on a pretty high end project. No degree, all practical… Read more »

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

Roosh has been obviously making preparations for a jump for a good three years now. The only question was what form the jump would take.

Well, now we know.

Jeremy
8 years ago

@Sun,

To my knowledge, no one offers a degree in “quantum”. In fact, the best minds on the topic will tell you that, “no one really understands quantum”.

That said, if you wanted to get the math toolset down early, learn lots and lots of linear algebra and differential equation solving.

That may be why we as humans understand quantum so poorly, we can’t learn it by doing it.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
8 years ago

@Jeremy In fact, the best minds on the topic will tell you that, “no one really understands quantum”. Yeah, I’ve always heard it “If you think you understand quantum physics, then you don’t understand quantum physics.” That said, if you wanted to get the math toolset down early, learn lots and lots of linear algebra and differential equation solving. Any good authoritative books I should look for on the subjects? I remember doing a bunch of differential calc in high school which started to make a ton of since once I couched it in an understanding of physics. That may… Read more »

Jeremy
8 years ago

Actually, I spoke too dogmatically there. You can learn quantum by “doing”. The key is not to study quantum directly, but rather to study/learn/experiment with the known physical manifestations of what we know is only explained with quantum. This means learning/playing with semiconductor physics, superconductor physics, etc. Unfortunately there is no home version of a laboratory fab available, or more humans might be experimenting with this stuff.

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

@Sun: Start with the basics, Pre-Calc (which is mostly analytic trigonometry of the sort that you’ll find covered in any comprehensive high school algebra textbook), first year Calc and first year Probably & Sadistics. Work on first year Classical Physics in sync with your progress in math, so that your physics understanding doesn’t get bogged down by struggling with the math. From your starting point I would recommend these books: Prof. E. McSquared’s Calculus Primer The Cartoon Guide to Statistics Physics for Poets Don’t be put off by the titles and appearance of these books. They are all serious and… Read more »

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

@Jeremy: “Unfortunately there is no home version of a laboratory fab available . . .”

It is perfectly feasible to fabricate your own. Most of it is pretty basic 19th century technology, with many of the components now available off the shelf at reasonable prices.

I would also advise to have a good understanding of vacuum tubes before moving on to semiconductors.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
8 years ago

@kfg

Seems like a good telescope can be used for a lot of it as well. Seems like a lot of experiments just wind up using the universe itself as a gigantic lab full of enormously energetic heavy things.

Jeremy
8 years ago

@kfg

It is perfectly feasible to fabricate your own.

Did I miss something on hackaday? links please.

Jeremy
8 years ago

@Sun Wukong Seems like a good telescope can be used for a lot of it as well. Seems like a lot of experiments just wind up using the universe itself as a gigantic lab full of enormously energetic heavy things. While it’s true that the universe itself provides no better examples of high energy physics, The average home telescope won’t cut it. However… if someone can finally marry those mirror-array-on-a-chips that used to be used for DLP televisions with a home telescope mirror, and reasonable priced sensor technology, you might have something. Then you’d essentially be able to build the… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
8 years ago

@Jeremy

However… if someone can finally marry those mirror-array-on-a-chips that used to be used for DLP televisions with a home telescope mirror, and reasonable priced sensor technology, you might have something. Then you’d essentially be able to build the equivalent of Hubble on the ground with an atmospheric-correcting optical path.

I was thinking more along the lines of getting involved in some of the citizen astronomy programs that some planetariums with big scopes offer, but that’s an intriguing idea there as well. Would be a neat opportunity to learn a bunch of other cool engineering tricks in the process.

kfg
kfg
8 years ago
Jeremy
8 years ago

Sun, forgive me, I was under the impression you were already an engineer. Am I wrong?

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

“I remember doing a bunch of differential calc in high school . . .”

And I seem to have been under a false impression of his level in the other direction.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
8 years ago

My engineering is more heavily in software and networks with a bit of computer hardware in the mix as well. I’m starting to fiddle more with actual electronics recently (built my first quad rotor a couple months back), but work keeps me busy with security software engineering more often.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
8 years ago

@kfg

Haha, yeah, I could probably use a brief trig/pre-calc refresher, some good drilling in differential calc to get back in the saddle (haven’t touched it in a while), then linear algebra which I’ve never really messed with before. I’ve been training myself in statistics for understanding Markov chains used in programming, but it makes sense to hear it mentioned as a good idea to have for physics as well.

YaReally
8 years ago

RE: Roosh’s meltdown because holy shit Brutal. The problem is he based his entire identity around pickup so now he’s trapped. He has to do something with pickup to earn long-term money, but if he comes out and just charges for pickup related content like all the other PUAs figured out to do (not even focusing on the fact that most of his material is ripped off from the PUA community and reworded or watered down, which is hilarious given his accusations of the Red Pill community doing that exact thing), he’ll look like a huge hypocrite. So he has… Read more »

kfg
kfg
8 years ago

They are the tools we have for dealing with non-deterministic outcomes. Since you have been beyond the level of the introductory texts I mentioned and only need some brushing up to get back on the horse, I don’t have any specific recommendations. There are a number of texts that fairly standard and fairly equivalent. You can just check your local library and use whatever they have and be just fine. One approach I can recommend you consider, however, is that you go to your local college used book store and use whatever it is they are using. Then, should you… Read more »

Jeremy
8 years ago

The lesson is.. long term, you can’t trust someone whose livelihood depends on what they say in public. Get a day job, spout your wisdom off for free, or suffer the consequence of eventually needing to suffer the indignity of re-inventing yourself for the hits/attention/macro-payments-for-content. I feel bad for Roosh, but unless he wants to move to Los Angeles and become a technician, I can’t help him.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
8 years ago

@Rollo, @YaReally So as I’m understanding what Roosh is doing, he’s becoming even more prescriptive than he was before but trying to distance himself from Red Pill in the process because “lol it’s too toxic a brand for me to sell shit to more dudes”. Basically trying to get more of that sweet sweet Blue Pill cash in his pocket by openly rejecting the “bitter misogynists” in TRP community. (Not quite sure how he sees Infowars as “main stream”. Alex Jones is loopy as fuck with a following largely consisting of paranoid delusionals/conspiracy theorists out on the fringes of society.)… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
8 years ago

@kfg One approach I can recommend you consider, however, is that you go to your local college used book store and use whatever it is they are using. Then, should you need it, you have a ready supply of beer money tutors who are already familiar with the specific texts. Ah good call, I’ll do that. Also have a buddy that’s a college professor in mathematics. He didn’t know which math I’d need when I asked him a few years back what I should look in to, but I’d bet once I show him what I need to look at… Read more »

Jack LeBear
Jack LeBear
8 years ago

@ Sun WuKong “We are the authors of the book “Exploring Quantum Physics through Hands-On Projects,” which will help you understand Quantum Physics through hands-on experiments that you can conduct at school or at home!” http://www.diyphysics.com/ There are instructions on making quantum dots at home. A lot of semiconductor laser technology and useful nanoparticle-light interaction devices are based on quantum dots because quantum effects dominate at nanometer scale phenomena. Also diy 250KV generators for electron acceleration etc. But if you want to make lots of money, write books about how quantum mechanics justifies New Age magical thinking. Yes, just by… Read more »

Jeremy
8 years ago

@Sun Now that I’m home, here’s what I retained from college that I actually read some of: Mathematical Methods for Physics and Engineering K.F.Riley and M.P.Hobson Waves, Berkeley Physics Course – Volume 3 Frank Crawford, Jr. Quantum Mechanics, Concepts and Applications Nouredine Zettili Introduction to Quantum Mechanics B.H. Bransden and C.J. Joachain Those four add up to 3300 pages of extremely dense reading. That completely ignores the fact that most of what they’ll teach you is theory. Of the four, I’d say the Math methods combined with the Berkeley waves book are probably the most useful. If you want to… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
8 years ago

@Jeremy

Frankly that might be a fine way to go about learning it, tackling it head on is like asking for insanity.

Yeah, and we’ve all had enough of her shit lately.

Oh you meant the mental illness.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
8 years ago

@Jeremy

If you don’t mind my asking, what exactly is your degree in?

Jeremy
8 years ago

Physics

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
8 years ago

@Jeremy

I suppose that should be utterly unsurprising.

If I might note something kind of humorous: on first talking to you, you sound a lot like NDT.

Jeremy
8 years ago

Who is NDT?

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
8 years ago

@Jack Hahaha, while I have to admit to finding some aspects of quantum physics feeding back in to my own personal philosophy (for instance, were MWI true it would make free will a lot more feasible in my opinion), I couldn’t ever bring myself to actually sell quackery. It makes me sad to see people that do. Had a chick I knew recommend https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Bleep_Do_We_Know!%3F to me a long time back. I facepalmed over and over again watching it. DIY science stuff is neat, but a lot of it feels like it’s great to illustrate ideas to students and not so… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
8 years ago
kfg
kfg
8 years ago

” I couldn’t ever bring myself to actually sell quackery.”

Damn ethics have cost me a shit ton of money over the years.

Jeremy
8 years ago

Oh, Neil. I like the guy a lot as public-persona scientists go, but he truthfully believes in catastrophic anthropogenic climate change which kind of ruins anything he says when I hear him speak now.

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