I came across an interesting thread on Roosh’s forum recently that linked very well with some experiences I’ve been having over the course of the last few weeks. Eldelwiess was the OP here and he just hints upon a greater whole of the danger of the Red Pill:
It’s a very tough choice to make, yet inevitable. You HAVE to.
But it’s a difficult pill to swallow.
The side effects are really nasty.
Ever since I did it, my life changed to the better, but alas, to the bitter too.
The thing is I now SEE. I’m not blind anymore. But I don’t LIKE what I see.
Because what I see is hypocrisy, degeneration, mediocrity, ignorance and mental slavery.
When you see the world in red pill eyes, you see the ugly reality.
It makes you stop enjoying many things in life.
It makes you find the majority of the people boring, uninteresting and frankly stupid. You pity them.
It makes the bulk of the women unworthy of your time.
It makes you can’t stand your colleagues.
It makes many jokes not funny anymore.
It makes you question everything.
It makes everyone untrustworthy, even your physicians.
It makes you…a better person ! And I love it.
But I understand why the majority of the people ignore the red pill and decide to remain in blue pill slavery and mediocrity. It’s easier. And you get to still enjoy life as you knew it, keep the friends who do the exact same thing, sympathize with your colleagues who complain about long working hours, date the same women who feel entitled to everything, watch the same TV programs which numb your mind and make you lose IQ points, vote for the same politicians who control the strings that make you move…
Eldelwiess is just coming around to acknowledging The Bitter Taste of the Red Pill, but the inherent danger he’s hinting at here goes a little further beyond the perception of a Red Pill aware man being “bitter”, and into the social dynamics that center on creating and interpreting him being such. The danger in this context is not just a bitter perception, but rather one of personal, professional and familial ostracization for expressing Red Pill truths.
I touched on these liabilities in The Secret of the Red Pill, but this was more from the perspective of women having their Game explained to them and what Red Pill aware men might expect for having confronted them with it. The impact of that may only be the perception of you being a presumptuous asshole by an individual woman, however, there are broader implications and consequences for “living” the Red Pill in a larger social sense.
Wutang from Roosh’s forum:
I actually had a falling out with a group of casual acquaintances when my association with RP was revealed among the group so there is a “danger” with it affecting your social bonds. I put danger in quotes because you really should see it as more of an act of filtering out who you associate with rather then any sort of great harm; the exception being if these are people who you work with or who can put a wrench in you advancing in your goals. If the only real harm is losing a few acquaintances or even friends then you should ask yourself if these are really the sort of people you want to associate with. Do you want to surround yourself with people that are apparently so mentally weak that mere words and difference of opinion can drive them into bouts of wailing and sobbing?
While we promote self-sufficiency and being beholden to no other man or system in our particular subculture we need to keep remembering that no man is an island. The people you associate with are going to determine where you are heading. Surround yourself with people who possess beliefs that lead to perpetual victimhood and you’ll become a victim yourself. Associate with people that can’t stand up for anything except a spineless tolerance that refuses to make any sort of value judgements and make the tough choice of saying ‘A is simply better then B when it comes to accomplishing C” whether A is an idea, an action, or even a type of person and you will soon lose your own spine; being afraid to fight for anything for the fear that it’ll make someone somewhere unhappy.
That said this was still a lesson in knowing when is the right time to drop RP knowledge. Naturally I’m a very open and sharing person when it comes to my beliefs and opinions but after this incident I’ve learned to be a lot more careful. In this case I didn’t really lose much since I was already growing to dislike quite a few of the people in the group but it definitely was a warning – what if this has happened with people who I actually respected and who were in positions and had connections that could either help or hinder me in my personal goals? Be careful out there guys.
I quoted this today because I find myself having to temper and measure my Red Pill evangelism with people I know personally or interact with professionally. I say evangelism because, in spite of any measured explanation, this is what it comes off as to most uninitiated Blue Pill plugins. There’s a degree of diplomatic tact you have to practice the more Red Pill aware a man becomes.
Sometimes that’s tough, especially when you’ve gone through personal changes and development that’s benefitted your life as a result. Red Pill awareness may have even saved a man’s life, so just shutting up about it, or having a hesitancy to help out a fellow man in need of that awareness becomes a real conflict.
In June I’ll have been back in Nevada for two years and in that time I’ve reacquainted myself with old friends I haven’t seen since I left for Florida almost ten years ago. All of them I find in similar (if not identical) states in which I left them. Some of these men are long time close personal friends I’d kept in touch with over the years, but with the exception of maybe one out of a dozen, all are still foundering in the same Beta mindset, lifestyle and behaviors they had ten years ago. All of them still complain of the same Beta-relationship issues they had with their wives (some now ex-wives) they confided in me then.
NEO: I can’t go back, can I?
MORPHEUS: No. But if you could, would you really want to? I feel that I owe you an apology. There is a rule that we do not free a mind once it reaches a certain age. It is dangerous. They have trouble letting go. Their mind turns against them. I’ve seen it happen. I’m sorry. I broke the rule because I had to.
You’ll have to forgive my using the Matrix metaphor, but every time I’m tempted to awaken a man I think may desperately need the truth of Red Pill awareness I’m reminded of this exchange. I understand why this would be a rule. Granted, I’ve broken it myself many times; usually when I think a man is a danger to himself, but I do so with the knowing that I’ll need to invest myself personally in his conditions and that’s where that cautious hesitation comes from.
There are friends I have who I know would outright reject Red Pill truths, but more so their lives would be turned upside down by having to confront those truths. I have a very good friend who’s remarried and living a new life with his second wife, who is still clinging to all of the internalized Beta illusions and behaviors that contributed to his first brutal divorce.
I could make him aware of all the factors that led up to this very painful episode in his life. I could run down the list of how the woman he married early in life followed the time line I put forth in Preventive Medicine to the letter, why his daughters are both following her footsteps and why his son will grow into being a martyred Beta White Knight like himself.
I could also explain all the factors that led to his new wife’s need for him (who by his Beta measures he’s thrilled with), but I ask myself, why destroy that bliss for him? He’s not now, nor likely will be, ready to have any of that explained. My concern is that he’s too far along in life to bear the burden of that truth. He’d have trouble letting go. His mind would turn against him.
If he were to reach that point of desperation again I’d certainly be compelled to reach out to him and offer the Red Pill to him, but as I’ve said in the past, unplugging men from the Matrix is a lot like triage – save the ones you can, read last rites to the dying. But this guy’s not dying and giving him the medicine might be worse than his conditions.
Law 10 – Infection: avoid the unhappy and unlucky.
Though your compassionate, charitable side may compel you to associate with the sad and downtrodden, if power attainment is your goal then avoid such people. Their bad vibe and energy-draining demeanor are too often infectious. You run a very serious risk of falling into line with their misery. Instead spend your time with people who are happy and successful. You can die from someone else’s misery – emotional states are as infectious as disease.
When I quote Law 10 it’s usually in response to a guy dealing with troubled, toxic women dragging them down into the quicksand of their own making. The Savior Schema usually warrants this truth; it’s a want in a belief that a woman will appreciate and reciprocate for a man ready to be the solution to her problems. However, the same can apply for men who attempt to free the minds of other men.
In both volumes of The Rational Male I make a specific effort to address that Rollo Tomassi doesn’t want to be a savior – I want men to be their own saviors because, although I may present Red Pill truths, it’s ultimately a man who needs to be the director of his own life. If the true measure of power is the degree of control a man has over his own life, relying on a savior, relying on how well one conforms to his plan, is really a limit on that power.
As I state in the books, I’m not interested in Tomassi clones, this is why I’m humbled by every man’s story I’m emailed or commented on about how they changed their lives with what I put forth in my writing.
From the Roosh forum again:
The only ‘danger’ the red pill presents is one’s own inability to let go of previous beliefs when confronted with truth. The red pill makes you look in the mirror and come to terms with your own ego and the lies it convinced you of.
“You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.”
Our ego is what we’re ultimately protecting. Most people don’t have an identity beyond their ego, that’s why most of the population can’t handle the red pill. Unless you were born with red pill parents, being raised blue pill and transitioning to red (altering your very reality) will always be traumatic on some level.
I’m of the opinion that trauma and crisis are necessary components to arriving at a point where a man is open to Red Pill awareness. I realize how distorted that sounds. It should be that a rational laying out of Red Pill truths should be self-evident, but it’s important to contrast that hope with the lifetime of feminine-primary conditioning men receive since their infancy.
There will always be people who will never accept even to most base and evident Red Pill fundamental truths. I completely understand Wutang’s premise for wanting to create our own manospherean tribes. We’ve had a good bit of commentary regarding Jack Donovan’s (Way of Men) call for organizing in like-minded collectives of men, and while I agree and find that laudable, I also know that isolation is dangerous.
Even by Law 10 it makes sense to surround oneself with the “happy and successful”; that’s a pretty deductive truth. However, I can’t ignore that many of the most condition-blinded people are also the most happy. I know multi-millionaires who are among the most abject Betas with regard to their intersexual relations.
So I guess what I’m saying is that there needs to be a level of discernment and discretion in this regard. I reach over half a million viewers / readers every month on TRM without advertising, without proselytizing, and men seem to find my works more and more. When the student is ready the teacher will appear – these men are seeking out the Red Pill and I suspect more will as Open Hypergamy and the machinations of the Feminine Imperative become unignorable.
You can’t teach those unwilling to learn – maybe it’s less about being convincing and more about being ready to help when the opportunities arise? That’s not me being magnanimous, that’s me being practical.
Under the “Patriarchy”, we were all free to speak our minds and differ in opinions. Under the “new, better” paradigm (matriarchy? It doesn’t seem right), we’re all to think the same and act the same. Badthink will not be tolerated.
Especially if your badthink is suggesting that the old way was better.
The Rule NEO: I can’t go back, can I? MORPHEUS: No. But if you could, would you really want to? I feel that I owe you an apology. There is a rule that we do not free a mind once it reaches a certain age. It is dangerous. They have trouble letting go. Their mind turns against them. I’ve seen it happen. I’m sorry. I broke the rule because I had to. You’ll have to forgive my using the Matrix metaphor, but every time I’m tempted to awaken a man I think may desperately need the truth of Red Pill… Read more »
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Great post. First of all, I believe that it’s not possible get to know Red Pill and get back to Blue Pill. Maybe it is, but I never encountered it nor I don’t think it would work out. If you become Red, and you understand what that means – you swallowed the whole knowledge – then you can’t go back. You won’t be 100% Blue ever again. Ever. Even in Matrix this didn’t worked out. It did for Cypher- but only after erasing his memory. Remember that (pun intended). *But I understand why the majority of the people ignore the… Read more »
Excellent post and something I need to keep in mind. I see many men who are desperate for answers but if I try to feed them answers it can cause them to double down on what isn’t working and become quite angry at me. I’ve also had men come to me for answers simply because I so frequently speak the truth. Yesterday I spent two hours speaking with a 48 year old man I work with. About divorcing his wife. A woman who, of course, cares nothing for his massive sacrifices and only keeps saying “more, more, more” and “me,… Read more »
Some people don’t want it. Some of them will throw the ‘knowledge’ back into your face and shout ‘it’s okay, I like it that way! I like being with the same nagging wife for 30 years, leave me alone!’ but that kind of people is already lost to me ‘un-saveable’ if you want.
Perhaps like Michelangelo you are a genius in multiple fields.
I suspect you are.
we need to red the blog about tge economy. Desperately.
the normalization of debt = the equivalent of the feminine imperative, or blue pill mental construct complete saturation
debt and blue pill ideas towards women are the twin daggers in the hearts of men
because we discuss the matrix so often I’ll just leave this here:
thank you for keeping open the comments
My ego story is similar to that told by StringsofCoins, though I hope still to avoid some of the rest of it. (I feel for you, brother.) Reconstruction is a hard, strange road, but my ability to think clearly and cleanly, that is, without endless fallacies and rhetorical dodges, makes it worth any discomfort.
I’ve pondered the problem of bringing men out of the foul, saccharine lies of the Matrix when they are clearly frustrated, at wits end, but continuing to defend what that keeps them bound. There are so many.
I’ve been confronted with these issues since I began unplugging (2-3 months ago). When I try to unplug friends or relatives, because they’re so institutionalized into the narrative, they seem to neglect it. I’m very young (20) so its a blessing that I was able to uncovered Red Pill truths before life had its way with me. Really needed this article Rollo, thank you
As someone who’s pretty evangelical about the Red Pill, I understand both the allure and the dangers implicit in introducing that savage little pill to a man. Remember that it is medicine, for the sick and ailing, not a pancea. But there is another component of this, Rollo, the greater cultural message that RP concepts are starting to bleed into the very edges of the mainstream. It helps that feminism seems so determined to jump the shark, but social pressures and demographics are as much to blame. Within five years the leading edge of the Millennials will hit their first… Read more »
Im reminded of that episode of south park where all Stan can see is shit coming out of peoples mouths…
Feh, I fucking knew THIS shit a few months after reading TRM and I started questioning the veracity of @ScotMckay and @CarlosXuma’s teachings. Many people who “find their voice” in the red pill are really after a way to capitalize on it, only finding that they’re finally getting the attention their parents never gave to them since those children are bred to be slaves. Oh well, there’s always boards like these where people can come together and piss poetic about their circumstances, haha. When you make yourself the mental point of origin, you start to notice how many men and… Read more »
It seems to me there are two separate issues here that should be handled quite differently. I need to be careful wrt work and how I make a living as in this culture I can be seriously harmed economically and professionally if my profession and adherence to these kind of ideas become known. As for any man? Fuck him if he can’t handle the truth. As for women? If you have actually digested the Red Pill and are trying to explain it to a woman, well it seems to me you may not really have digested it at all. A… Read more »
I have friends who prefer I shut up about the truth. It is after all very ugly. And if that vision of ugliness infects them they will no longer be welcome in polite society. You know who likes truth? Engineers. They are much less able to afford lies than any other segment of society. “The society which scorns excellence in plumbing because plumbing is a humble activity, and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because philosophy is an exalted activity, will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy. Neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water.” — John W. Gardner, Saturday… Read more »
May 12th, 2015 at 6:53 pm
The marriage market is crumbling before their eyes, and we’re on the other side of the wall with sledgehammers.
May 12th, 2015 at 6:46 pm
RP will open up possibilities you never imagined. When I was BP I had hoped for one girl. RP opened up multitudes. Like you I got RP early. Age 18 from my first girl friend no less. Enjoy. And since I haven’t seen your name before – I’m 70. I was very lucky. Back then none of this was understood except by those who got it naturally.
I think the core problem is a lack of critical thinking.
If you can listen to an idea and calmly accept or reject it you’ll do fine with Red Pill. Unfortunately most people aren’t like that.
I told 2 old friends some Red Pill truths and this is how one responded.
It makes everyone untrustworthy What has been seen, cannot be unseen… It is as simple as that – once the “blinders” are off, you can’t put them back on. I learned that long ago. The key is to just accept, and see how you can use it to your advantage. That is also a lesson I learned long ago that has served me well. Yes, I could lament how unfair things are – but in the end, it does nothing other than waste time. So instead see how you can use your knowledge to improve your life. That is what… Read more »
One has to be so cautious about divulging red pill secrets to any plugged in man. The mere accusation of misogyny is enough to end a career. Imagine being stripped of a professional credential based on some white knight’s baseless accusation?
The advice to bide one’s time and dispense wisdom at key moments is an excellent approach. That reminds me…I should start using Tor whenever I access the manosphere.
I also think it matters very much how you enter the conversation. I usually just start with some basic intersexual dynamics most men have never really thought about before. How women choose and how men compete for that choice. How feminism has kind of run amok – I’ve yet to meet a man who flipped out over these kinds of comments and often they are quite happy for the convo. I do so frequently – but I don’t talk about “The Red Pill” or PUA or Roosh. I tell them to come here and make of it what they will.… Read more »
peregrinejohn May 12th, 2015 at 6:45 pm I think it will become apparent in time that most men (and women) prefer bondage to liberty. The Biblical story of Exodus is about men and women who miss their bondage. Twas ever thus. You have bursts of liberty – the founding of this country for example. But look at the numbers. About 1/3rd favored liberty, 1/3rd opposed it and the last 1/3rd was going to side with who ever came out on top. And that was in an era when liberty had some of its very best exponents and conditions conducive (oppression).… Read more »
Best thing I’ve read today after preventive medicine.
Every man who knows me realizes that if they stuck their finger in my face like the guy in that pic is doing, they would be drawing back a bloody stump…
Fortunately the picture is more of a metaphor. My friend is super religious and he took offense at Red Pill. I was shocked by his response. He has a terrible relationship with his wife and that may have played a part. Red pill interrupted his hamstering.
I was most amused that my first comment on this thread was right after one of yours. We don’t always agree (we do mostly) but you are a clear thinker and always make me reconsider when you have a different position from mine.
Very good to have you around.
Kill them all. Let God sort them out.
Only those afraid of the truth hide it.
@Morpheus “I’ve made the point often that one must be prudent about the who and when to have these conversations.” That was what got me banned… @Nathan “debt and blue pill ideas towards women are the twin daggers in the hearts of men” I can see that @Peregrinejohn “I’ve pondered the problem of bringing men out of the foul, saccharine lies of the Matrix when they are clearly frustrated, at wits end, but continuing to defend what that keeps them bound. There are so many.” You know what I used to be that guy for 27 yrs @Nathaniel Durgasingh “so… Read more »
You know what woman I can talk Red Pill with? My mother. Why? She married and Alpha. She gets women. When I was growing up neither of them articulated it. But they did live it until my Dad died. My Dad comes from a family of Alphas. You would know them if I mentioned it. And the descendents are mostly Alpha. I have a brother who my mother didn’t “get”. Such a jerk. So subservient to his wife. Mom and I were discussing it the other day. I said, “Mom, he is not a MAN. He is a Beta. Not… Read more »
Two quotes perniciously nibble my psyche with this post:
“All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.”-Sun Tzu
“Bird law in this country is not governed by reason”-Charlie Kelly
Have no illusions about it guys. Win or lose. Dominate or be dominated. Kill or be killed. Kill the beta within you. Kill the bunny damn it!…or it will kill you. George S. Patton – “No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.” The American Revolution wasn’t won by intellectually luxurious pampering fantasy ideals of “freedom” and “liberty”. It was won by men who rose up in the middle of the night during a freezing shit storm blizzard… AGAINST ALL ODDS,….trudged across frozen… Read more »
@M Simon, You are absolutely correct. Most men want to live in bondage. It’s easy and feels safe. Someone else makes all the decisions and everything just “works out”. Of course it does no such thing. I still have a blue pill dream once a week. It’s taken me years just to get to this point. Coming out of it and trying to find a place where I can be happy is going to be an eternal struggle. I don’t think I’ll ever finish taking the red pill because part of accepting it is knowing you are always on. It’s… Read more »
@ M Simon You know what woman I can talk Red Pill with? My mother. Why? She married and Alpha. She gets women. When I was growing up neither of them articulated it. I can tell my wife about Red Pill but not everything. Self+1 = she agrees. Hypergamy = she agrees. Dad Bod = she laughed at that. I don’t tell her the sex stuff or it will spoil it. If sex isn’t organic it’s ruined. I think we’d all like to know how much Rollo’s wife knows about Red Pill. In my mind the more she knows the… Read more »
In RooshV comments on the linked threat La_Mode commented “I’m convinced there’s two kinds of “red pill”, and the valley between them is basically the grand canyon. Blue pill who became red pill, and naturally red pill. I knew most people were idiots when I was a kid. In short, cynicism is essentially red pill.” I was red pill while in college. I knew most people were idiots and I went my own way. But that prevented me from bonding with a gang of guys and that basically made me isolationist. I managed OK with that, but isolationism is DHV… Read more »
Reminds me of this MGTOW video:
On the Male Desire for Unfreedom
Not Born This Morning
May 12th, 2015 at 9:03 pm
Very nice. The concept of strategic defeat is not well understood and much less practiced than understood.
Washington won that war with more defeats than victories.
I was reading an interview of Chris Rock yesterday and was thinking about how the best comics are very perceptive about people and many times have ideas discussed in conversations concerning red pill thinking. Their acts use cleverness and insight, vs many comics that use pandering techniques, usually to women with the same things that fill most commercials with the men are dumb, women are smart and have to fix his screw-ups. In the interview Chris Rock talked about his past, his routines, and his divorce. And it seems the best comics are very good at laying out and explaining… Read more »
StringsofCoins May 12th, 2015 at 9:09 pm And most of them are really dumb and bad at this game. They think they are men. My daughter is not dumb – she has a degree in ChemE – one of the hardest engineering subjects out there – what with the required thermodynamics. She was near the top of her class. But she is profoundly unhappy because she does not get her female side – at all. Feminism has done a profound disservice to women. Maybe 10% of women want to be men. Feminism has convinced them that they ALL do. There… Read more »
May 12th, 2015 at 9:10 pm
“I’m of the opinion that trauma and crisis are necessary components to arriving at a point where a man is open to Red Pill awareness. I realize how distorted that sounds.
If a man comes to Red Pill late that is absolutely necessary. Old habits are hard to change.
I do not think that anything will save the country: unless through war and revolution, when those who wish to survive will have to think and act for themselves according to their desperate needs, and not by some rotten yardstick of convention.
@M Simon May 12th, 2015 at 8:43 pm Wow, that’s the most you’ve typed in a while. Good stuff. What is this about only typing with one hand? It is tremendously interesting and fascinating to have the thought that alphas have percolated through your family lineage. I got something that my father and I were like the 79% percentile of the 80/20 beta/alpha. And the lack of the 21% was mainly the physical. The mental was amped up into the 93-95% dependent on the context. I had some red pill epiphanies last year when I delved into MBTI personalities. Another… Read more »
Morpheus, . It is easier and more comforting to simply see the “happy couples” in the park with their kids I assure you, struggle comes more days than not. Everyone watches the highlight reel: no one watches the Sausage Factory. Red Pill tore my heart out and spat in the burning hole. I’ll be honest. But that’s on me. I was 18 when my friend showed me Ladder Theory, right before High School Grad, and I found Roissy that summer, right ’round ’05 or ’06. But did I do anything with it? Nahhhh. I was a passive little runt. I… Read more »
Best way to bring up the subject is to lead with observations cloaked in questions. “When was the last time she ever expressed any gratitude for you working a shit job so she can have a nice house in the suburbs?”…”So she finds the time to go to the gym 5 days a week, but can’t find the time to fuck you for 20 minutes every other week?” And so on. Then make it less specific to him and more general. “Look, no matter what women say, no matter what some damn feminist says, women want their husbands to lead.… Read more »
“…but I ask myself, why destroy that bliss for him?” Why indeed, Tomassi? “However, I can’t ignore that many of the most condition-blinded people are also the most happy.” You don’t say??! You work so hard to create a Matrix of your very own, a world without love, a world full of wounded and broken men who only perceive women as conquests, as biological units to be controlled and manipulated for the purpose of a never ending sexual harvest. It’s heart breaking to watch Tomassi, but it is no more representative of reality then the so called blue pill world… Read more »
You work so hard to create a Matrix of your very own, a world without love, a world full of wounded and broken men who only perceive women as conquests, as biological units to be controlled and manipulated for the purpose of a never ending sexual harvest.
Are you lost? Shouldn’t you be trolling over at Alpha Game. I’m sure Vox misses you…
I’ll be sure to bring that up with my wife of almost 19 years right after she’s done reaping my whirlwind tonight.
The wife you never speak of except in the context of sexual conquest, the wife you claim can never truly love you as you once imagined love to be?
insanitytrites22 you still cling to staring at the shadows on the back of the cave wall when Men have shown you there’s a sun shining outside the cave.
You can stay ignorant, that’s your prerogative, but even your misguided religiosity is rife with the infection of the feminine imperative and you know that’s the truth.
Your concept of love is the result of a conditioning you’re too afraid to think critically about because it’s reveals to you a truth that would disqualify you from any alternative.
“Your concept of love is the result of a conditioning you’re too afraid to think critically about…”
That sounds like a complete projection, Tomassi. I think critically about love every single day of my life. You don’t even believe in love, so what would you even know of it? You’ve created an entire ideology around the nonsense of hypergamy just to try and justify your own non belief in love.
“projection” : The first predictable prefix of a weak counter argument.
Is that all you’ve got?
Your lack of intellectual curiosity is staggering. I’ve written volumes on it, but you’re too stupid and intellectually lethargic to even click on the link on my side bar to educate yourself:
Come back once you’ve studied for the test.
Excellent post, and yet again, it seems to deal with stuff that is currently on my mind. Been Red Pill “aware” for, what, 4-5 years now I think, but while I understand intellectually many of the concepts, I find myself realizing that I am only SLOWLY accepting them internally. Why? Well, yes, because I’ve been conditioned, because it’s hard to wrap your head around things that are so alien to you. But also because it is an increasing mind-fuck. The first hump to get over was realizing how much shit I was clueless about, how just A LITTLE of that… Read more »
sjfrellc May 12th, 2015 at 9:41 pm I went to a family reunion in the summer of 2009. At the museum of an airbase I won’t mention because it would give too many things away. The Alphas were all strutting their stuff. All of them. And there was a very large room full. One of my cousins (female) is a famous opera singer. There were business men, lawyers, and ambassadors. I was lucky that I had a some hardware and software that flew in some of the aircraft that were on display. It impressed those I mentioned it to. So… Read more »
insanitybytes22 – “You deprive ourselves of all that is beautiful in the world, you wall yourself off from intimacy with women, and at the end of your lives you will realize that all you have done is to reap the wind. It doesn’t have to be that way you know, there is a better way.”
Intimacy? HA! But please tell us what we’re depriving ourselves of. Or is it your kind being deprived?
@ Not born and M. Simon – Revolution/force is the only thing that will change this. Taking political power away from women is the only cure. NotBorn – you are so correct about the real nature of how the world works. I’m constantly amazed by how disconnected from reality most people are when it comes to the struggle that life itself is. We over-reproduce and not everyone makes it. Human groups struggle with each other for power and land and prestige and to save their cultures or for jobs or whatever – and that is the source of all human… Read more »
A Definite Beta Guy May 12th, 2015 at 9:46 pm All you say is true. And it may have been decisive. But the Brits couldn’t divide and conquer as they did in India. And that gave them a near insurmountable problem back in that day. A 3,000 mile logistics train over an ocean. The French Navy only had to help us for two weeks (all they could spare) to seal the deal. The Brits didn’t care to raise another Army for the colonies. They had the French to deal with. But they got their revenge by burning Washington about 20… Read more »
Guys, I am shocked fewer of us bring up the economy in this discussion. I am in my 20’s, so perhaps younger than most of you, however, not talking about the red pill because it gets people to call you misogynistic. FUCKING OF COURSE. Does Rollo have to spell it OUT THAT clearly for us. That’s basic, bread and butter, softball … T-BALL. Its the DEBT that’s killing the young men. DEBT. I Know. Once game is figured out, a few years at most to master the fundamentals, the Economy is THE THING for the Young Men. Is any other… Read more »
Glenn May 12th, 2015 at 10:17 pm As you know I oppose Prohibition. Every chance I get. It is a delicious struggle for me because: I’m getting the Left to fight against State Power. Which is another way of saying I’m double crossing them. Openly. And they LOVE it. ================= And I leave this little ditty around: Every tax, every regulation comes with it an army of bureaucrats and behind that an army (with guns) of enforcers. It is having an effect. ================== And just like the White Knights on the right re: men’s issues, I have the Right fighting… Read more »
“debt and blue pill ideas towards women are the twin daggers in the hearts of men”
I can see that
Thank you. Needed that validation. Though I might be the only one.
Seraph – “The image of women that I had desired is a chimera, and seeing them as they are, even beginning to do so, I find myself asking, ‘So what was the point again?’, an awful lot.” Me too. As a wannabe artist I am forever searching for my muse. I think that is the point for all us when practicing the art of being a man. We want inspiration, and something to work for. Something to train and direct our idealism toward. What we seem to get with too many women is something to slave for, or fight against.… Read more »
The hardest aspect of the Red Pill for me is that it really taints my past. It kind of empties it out. A lot of those feverish eras of my life were concocted with blue pill ingredients. So much emotion/behavior/experience/mystique/narrative/expectation was developed through the FI prism. So it kind of erases a lot except for the tangible; sports/outdoors/fitness. Also, reading is somehow ‘tangible’ in my memory bank and a good thing to look back on. Not sure I could explain how it’s tangible, but it’s an enduring good memory. But most social memories are just—‘poof’—gone. Maybe not childhood buddies but… Read more »
Nathan May 12th, 2015 at 10:31 pm The whole “school” thing is a racket. You want an education? It is free. I became an aerospace engineer with no degree. National debt is another thing. It is surmountable if we stopped hobbling business. =============== Cannabis – fully exploited as medicine could save us between $1/2 trillion and $1 1/2 trillion a year. That pretty much kills the debt. If we don’t waste it. Even so – such a thing would be a tremendous boost to the economy. But the currently entrenched have other interests. Interests which cannabis would destroy. But they… Read more »
In the movie, Neo takes the Red Pill and leaves the matrix.
In real life, we take the Red Pill…and what? We left the lies behind…and? MGTOW? Chase notch counts? Leave the country and roam the earth? Live the life I want to have (as an alpha would)? Follow my every whim? Marry a virgin and make babies (been there, done that)? Make tons of money (did that too)?
Respect to those men that do pursue their dreams, but…
Now what? Where is the PURPOSE?
On my death bed…what will have MATTERED?
I do not think ANY man is 100% blue pill and completely unaware of red pill truth. The signs have been around all along and progressively becoming more and more obvious to the point that today hypergamy is blatant in your face proudly displaying itself. Today there is nothing subtle about it. NO man can deny its existence and the fact he is at least potentially a victim and likely to some extent actually a victim. People do not fight back until so much is taken from them that it becomes obvious they are trapped, enslaved, lost their dignity and… Read more »
@insanity bites “You deprive ourselves of all that is beautiful in the world, you wall yourself off from intimacy with women, and at the end of your lives you will realize that all you have done is to reap the wind. It doesn’t have to be that way you know, there is a better way.” I don’t recall being ‘walled off’ from that 22 year old Korean escort with a Penthouse body a few days ago. Go ‘reap the wind’ from your fat wife as she farts on your leg all night after that half gallon of haagen dazs she… Read more »
Now what? Where is the PURPOSE?
On my death bed…what will have MATTERED?
I think those are bigger existential questions that are beyond the scope of the Red Pill. Red Pill is to give you an accurate understanding of the reality of intersex dynamics. Nothing more, nothing less. It isn’t to fill the void that perhaps is left when Blue Pill lies are destroyed.
We all return to dust, and in 200 years unless we were a great scientist, inventor, or government leader who changed the course of human history, none of us “matters”.
I must travel in radically different circles as I have seen 0 fallout for Red Pill evangelism. I have not lost contracts, friends, bidness partners etc etc. Same for my politics, which are a good more hostile to the current approved thought then the Red Pill. This includes my military time with a fairly high level clearance, being rated on things like EO and my current position working more directly progressive government officials ans employees
It’s not misogyny that your red pill imaginings breed, it’s actually misandry.
“I can’t ignore that many of the most condition-blinded people are also the most happy.”
Think about that, people. There is truth to be found there.
Are the feminine beta promoters tiptoeing around our emotions? Hell no. We are required to shut the fuck up and eat shit.
@NBTM, I get where your sentiment is coming from. The truth will set you free, but it doesn’t disqualify you from the consequences of that truth, nor does it cancel the pain required to learn from it or promote it.
This reminds me of a professional failing of mine. I work in healthcare; the therapy I do is a bit obscure as of yet but if you think of me as a physical therapist you won’t be far off the mark. So I’ve studied pain theory and chronic pain intensively, and I can tell you that psychological stressors are huge contributors to a significant majority of intractable chronic pain cases. The pain is real, but is a downstream effect of chronic stress and central nervous system hyper-activation. I had a patient who was suffering from chronic pain who put a… Read more »
I think insanity is a woman, is she not?
Washington’s geniuses was not on the battlefield but in his ability to play politics, keep an army in the field and his ability to run a good intell/ counter intell game. All of which can and does win wars, but as I understand things, the English wants to end things because the war was costing them a lot of cash for very little foreseen return on investment
All of which are classic ways for the under dog to pull off a win.
“Cannabis – fully exploited as medicine could save us between $1/2 trillion and $1 1/2 trillion a year. That pretty much kills the debt. If we don’t waste it. Even so – such a thing would be a tremendous boost to the economy.” Nah. Keep in mind there is always something else on the other side of the equation. In your example, there is the healthcare and pharma industries that would be destroyed by the lack of sales in traditional medications. Those trillions you speak of have to come from somewhere. Current TOTAL USA financial obligations (not just national debt),… Read more »
CaveClown May 12th, 2015 at 10:45 pm You have to find your own reasons. What works for most people is being a humanitarian. Lifting up the down trodden. I did that through technology. You have a computer on your desk in (very small) part because of work I did. Without my work it might have taken 3 or 6 months longer. Multiply that by 2 billion lives and it turns out to be fairly significant. That amounts to about 6 million man-years. So I have more than paid for my existence. Anything else I do is gravy. Ever hear of… Read more »
Rollo: So I guess what I’m saying is that there needs to be a level of discernment and discretion in this regard. I reach over half a million viewers / readers every month on TRM without advertising, without proselytizing, and men seem to find my works more and more. When the student is ready the teacher will appear – these men are seeking out the Red Pill and I suspect more will as Open Hypergamy and the machinations of the Feminine Imperative become unignorable. Perhaps, also, when the students are ready the teacher finds they are ready. I’ve had it… Read more »
“Insanity” says “Think about that, people. There is truth to be found there.”
Common sense says “think about what you experienced and what you want to experience, not what other people want you to think”
That first sentence was confusing. To reword – ‘Perhaps, also, when the student is ready to learn the teacher finds that they are ready to teach as well.’
Where on earth do you find these pictures? Did you have to photoshop that one? I can’t imagine a stock picture site having something that conveniently appropriate.
CaveClown May 12th, 2015 at 11:03 pm The “industry” that you speak of is – given what we now know – a waste. Yes it will be a VERY BIG WRENCH to give all that up. None the less we will be giving that up. And yes – a $trillion no longer flowing through the economy WILL cause a depression. And then we will be better off for it. But every new technology does that. Blast furnaces put a LOT of iron workers out of business. Automobiles made possible by blast furnaces made horses a relic. And default is probably… Read more »
I think insanity is a woman, is she not?
Yes, she was the resident troll over at AG, but she found her way over here
It doesn’t have to be that way you know, there is a better way.
Oh this’ll be fucking priceless. Hang on…
Alright, enlighten me.
“I think those are bigger existential questions that are beyond the scope of the Red Pill. Red Pill is to give you an accurate understanding of the reality of intersex dynamics. Nothing more, nothing less. It isn’t to fill the void that perhaps is left when Blue Pill lies are destroyed. We all return to dust, and in 200 years unless we were a great scientist, inventor, or government leader who changed the course of human history, none of us “matters”.” Reading about Napoleon’s war against Russia. Went in with 450,000 men. Came back with 23,000. That’s a whole lot… Read more »
May 12th, 2015 at 11:17 pm
“own (outright) productive capacity”
I do. Little thing called gasoline. Me thinks people need it no matter what. (so long as there is wti or brent available, I should be good)
May 12th, 2015 at 11:20 pm
The real trick is to be able to hold two opposing thoughts at the same time. IDGAF and IDGAF.
Be excellent in all you do. Do not get attached to “lust for results.” The thrill is in the going – getting there is incidental.
Forge the Sky – “Where on earth do you find these pictures?”
Can’t speak for Rollo, but I could build that prop, set up, shoot, and digitally process that photo in about an hour and a half. No photoshop necessary.
“Now what? Where is the PURPOSE? On my death bed…what will have MATTERED?”
No, because what men really need to is see their higher selves reflected in a woman’s eyes. They need intimacy and love and a relationship with their Creator. They need to feel respect, they need to know they have value and worth in the world. Without those things, at the end of your life you will realize you have reaped the wind and spent a lifetime trying to pour empty things into the abyss of your souls.
When I was in highschool and college the guys I hung out with would laugh and accuse each other of being “pussy whipped” if we started whining about girl problems. We talked straight about these things and encouraged each other to not tolerate bullshit. We mercilessly ribbed each other for taking crap and acting AFC. This was straight forward humor, great comradery and helped us avoid oneitis, man up, grow up, stop being wusses, stop wasting energy on the bottomless pit of subjugating ourselves to women fantasies and focus on self development. Seems like most men are missing this friendship… Read more »
@ M Simon
“The thrill is in the going – getting there is incidental.”
There needs to be balance. For me, the fun of exploiting outcomes based individuals only comes second to guys who embody what you said above and get “deal heat”.
Sans self awareness and discipline, either can get you killed and eaten.
This is out of my bag of troll biscuits.
“They need to feel respect, they need to know they have value and worth in the world.”
I RESPECT MYSELF AND I DO NOT NEED YOU OR ANY OTHER BULLSHIT ARTIST TO REPSECT MYSELF.
Ha ! You’re fucking awesome. I’m laughing my ass off right now.
“I RESPECT MYSELF AND I DO NOT NEED YOU OR ANY OTHER BULLSHIT ARTIST TO REPSECT MYSELF.”
Nothing says self-confident better than shrieking hysterically in all caps.
Eat your biscuit
I’ve had great sex with a number of women. My wife and I have had great sex at least 3000 times, I love my daughter more than anything….but I’m not intimate enough. Am I missing something? Oh shit! WTF?
Still hungry?…..here’s another biscuit.
Yes we all know sex is bad and evil when men are horny for it. It is evil bad terrible masculine conquest.
Alice remains in wonderland forever and ever…..
No, because what women really need to is see their higher selves reflected in a man’s eyes.
Hard to do that when they’re wiping another man’s cum from their mouths for the umpteenth time…
reaping my whirlwind
This is my new favorite innuendo.
@insanitybytes22 What you are preaching is the highest form of codependency known to humanity. You’ve distilled the essence of all blue pill neediness into a concise paragraph. The dangers of this kind of codependent white knight mentality are so evident in today’s society: high rates of male depression, skyrocketing male suicide rates, men and boys adrift in their lives desperately searching for some woman to “complete them.” From their own mouths, women have stated repeatedly that they despise this male need for comfort and companionship. The alpha male is what most women seek today and will settle for a neutered… Read more »
Yes. I know…no pain no gain. Nothing sacrificed nothing learned. Maybe this is why we say “pay” attention. We are “paying” with our time and energy to focus when we learn. We are sacrificing time and energy that could be expended (or wasted) elsewhere.
Regarding this post Tomassi, http://therationalmale.com/2015/02/15/end-of-life-issues/ Let’s just look at this one sentence: “Red Pill awareness, what I call positive masculinity.” You alleged ideal of “positive masculinity” simply traps bitter men in endless rage and anger so they roam about the internet calling random women “rancid vaginas, fat whores, shoot them all and let God sort them out,” and endless other examples of outright hatred and violent revenge fantasies. You don’t see this because you are not on the receiving end of any of it, but it is far from “positive masculinity.” It is a pathetic caricature of what being a… Read more »
Dal and Vox were right to ban you, but other than blatant spammers I don’t do that. That said if the language my readers use steps on your precious sensibilities you can go elsewhere. What troubles you is the unvarnished truth; the truth that some men need to pass through that anger phase: http://therationalmale.com/2012/07/25/the-5-stages-of-unplugging/ You don’t consider that because you’re a mewling quim who’s so solipsistically ego-invested in her feminine-defined reality that the concept of men having any individuated existence is never even an afterthought to you. You’re have no consideration or inkling of the male experience is only matched… Read more »
“But men’s anger frightens you, not because men are scary….” Men are scary, Tomassi. They are scary when they stab you 32 times. They are scary when they pour boiling water on you or leave you in a shallow grave somewhere. They are scary when they shoot their wives and babies in the head. Do you not know these things?? You try to wrap the truth in bogus theories about female imperatives and speak nonsense to me about mewling quim, but you haven’t even got the balls to see the world as it really is. Wake the hell up. Male… Read more »
Dodge, dodge, dodge. Oooh Oooh men do it too:
C’mon, tell me how well you magically know the male experience. Tell me how all their anger is negative and all your sister’s anger is justified and necessary for their transformation.
You’re just one step away from grasping a red pill truth.
Reality is ugly so the Red Pill will have it’s share of ugly
“Not Born This Morning”
Today is tomorrow’s yesterday. Tomorrow morning will be a new morning never experienced before. Tomorrow morning will be a new “This Morning”. I doubt the earth will stop turning during my lifetime. My goal is to learn something new every day no matter how trivial or profound. Each new morning, I will not be as naive or ignorant as the previous. Your books have contributed to this goal significantly over the past several months. Thank you.
But insanitybytes22 has something special to offer us all:
I give up. Somebody school me on which code is required to embed a gif on this forum. Sun…?
” . . . all you have done is to reap the wind.”
Honey, I am the wind. Blow me.
“But insanitybytes22 has something special to offer us all:”
I have nothing to offer you at all except sadness that you cannot even see the nature of your own selves and the harm you do to other people.
“I think critically about love every single day of my life.”
This statement reviles the root of your dilemma. Love is not something that can be analyzed, strategized, manipulated, captured, critiqued, or negotiated. It can only be experienced and every relationship is temporary. There is no such thing as “believe in”. Those words are substituted for their more honest representation….”pretend”. You cannot control love. You can only really control yourself. You are attempting to avoid this reality.