The Dangers of the Red Pill

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I came across an interesting thread on Roosh’s forum recently that linked very well with some experiences I’ve been having over the course of the last few weeks. Eldelwiess was the OP here and he just hints upon a greater whole of the danger of the Red Pill:

It’s a very tough choice to make, yet inevitable. You HAVE to.

But it’s a difficult pill to swallow.

The side effects are really nasty.

Ever since I did it, my life changed to the better, but alas, to the bitter too.

The thing is I now SEE. I’m not blind anymore. But I don’t LIKE what I see.

Because what I see is hypocrisy, degeneration, mediocrity, ignorance and mental slavery.

When you see the world in red pill eyes, you see the ugly reality.
It makes you stop enjoying many things in life.
It makes you find the majority of the people boring, uninteresting and frankly stupid. You pity them.
It makes the bulk of the women unworthy of your time.
It makes you can’t stand your colleagues.
It makes many jokes not funny anymore.
It makes you question everything.
It makes everyone untrustworthy, even your physicians.

It makes you…a better person ! And I love it.

But I understand why the majority of the people ignore the red pill and decide to remain in blue pill slavery and mediocrity. It’s easier. And you get to still enjoy life as you knew it, keep the friends who do the exact same thing, sympathize with your colleagues who complain about long working hours, date the same women who feel entitled to everything, watch the same TV programs which numb your mind and make you lose IQ points, vote for the same politicians who control the strings that make you move…

It’s easier.

Eldelwiess is just coming around to acknowledging The Bitter Taste of the Red Pillbut the inherent danger he’s hinting at here goes a little further beyond the perception of a Red Pill aware man being “bitter”, and into the social dynamics that center on creating and interpreting him being such. The danger in this context is not just a bitter perception, but rather one of personal, professional and familial ostracization for expressing Red Pill truths.

I touched on these liabilities in The Secret of the Red Pill, but this was more from the perspective of women having their Game explained to them and what Red Pill aware men might expect for having confronted them with it. The impact of that may only be the perception of you being a presumptuous asshole by an individual woman, however, there are broader implications and consequences for “living” the Red Pill in a larger social sense.

Wutang from Roosh’s forum:

I actually had a falling out with a group of casual acquaintances when my association with RP was revealed among the group so there is a “danger” with it affecting your social bonds. I put danger in quotes because you really should see it as more of an act of filtering out who you associate with rather then any sort of great harm; the exception being if these are people who you work with or who can put a wrench in you advancing in your goals. If the only real harm is losing a few acquaintances or even friends then you should ask yourself if these are really the sort of people you want to associate with. Do you want to surround yourself with people that are apparently so mentally weak that mere words and difference of opinion can drive them into bouts of wailing and sobbing?

While we promote self-sufficiency and being beholden to no other man or system in our particular subculture we need to keep remembering that no man is an island. The people you associate with are going to determine where you are heading. Surround yourself with people who possess beliefs that lead to perpetual victimhood and you’ll become a victim yourself. Associate with people that can’t stand up for anything except a spineless tolerance that refuses to make any sort of value judgements and make the tough choice of saying ‘A is simply better then B when it comes to accomplishing C” whether A is an idea, an action, or even a type of person and you will soon lose your own spine; being afraid to fight for anything for the fear that it’ll make someone somewhere unhappy.

That said this was still a lesson in knowing when is the right time to drop RP knowledge. Naturally I’m a very open and sharing person when it comes to my beliefs and opinions but after this incident I’ve learned to be a lot more careful. In this case I didn’t really lose much since I was already growing to dislike quite a few of the people in the group but it definitely was a warning – what if this has happened with people who I actually respected and who were in positions and had connections that could either help or hinder me in my personal goals? Be careful out there guys.

I quoted this today because I find myself having to temper and measure my Red Pill evangelism with people I know personally or interact with professionally. I say evangelism because, in spite of any measured explanation, this is what it comes off as to most uninitiated Blue Pill plugins. There’s a degree of diplomatic tact you have to practice the more Red Pill aware a man becomes.

Sometimes that’s tough, especially when you’ve gone through personal changes and development that’s benefitted your life as a result. Red Pill awareness may have even saved a man’s life, so just shutting up about it, or having a hesitancy to help out a fellow man in need of that awareness becomes a real conflict.

In June I’ll have been back in Nevada for two years and in that time I’ve reacquainted myself with old friends I haven’t seen since I left for Florida almost ten years ago. All of them I find in similar (if not identical) states in which I left them. Some of these men are long time close personal friends I’d kept in touch with over the years, but with the exception of maybe one out of a dozen, all are still foundering in the same Beta mindset, lifestyle and behaviors they had ten years ago. All of them still complain of the same Beta-relationship issues they had with their wives (some now ex-wives) they confided in me then.

The Rule

NEO: I can’t go back, can I?

MORPHEUS: No. But if you could, would you really want to?  I feel that I owe you an apology. There is a rule that we do not free a mind once it reaches a certain age. It is dangerous. They have trouble letting go. Their mind turns against them. I’ve seen it happen. I’m sorry. I broke the rule because I had to.

You’ll have to forgive my using the Matrix metaphor, but every time I’m tempted to awaken a man I think may desperately need the truth of Red Pill awareness I’m reminded of this exchange. I understand why this would be a rule. Granted, I’ve broken it myself many times; usually when I think a man is a danger to himself, but I do so with the knowing that I’ll need to invest myself personally in his conditions and that’s where that cautious hesitation comes from.

There are friends I have who I know would outright reject Red Pill truths, but more so their lives would be turned upside down by having to confront those truths. I have a very good friend who’s remarried and living a new life with his second wife, who is still clinging to all of the internalized Beta illusions and behaviors that contributed to his first brutal divorce.

I could make him aware of all the factors that led up to this very painful episode in his life. I could run down the list of how the woman he married early in life followed the time line I put forth in Preventive Medicine to the letter, why his daughters are both following her footsteps and why his son will grow into being a martyred Beta White Knight like himself.

I could also explain all the factors that led to his new wife’s need for him (who by his Beta measures he’s thrilled with), but I ask myself, why destroy that bliss for him? He’s not now, nor likely will be, ready to have any of that explained. My concern is that he’s too far along in life to bear the burden of that truth. He’d have trouble letting go. His mind would turn against him.

If he were to reach that point of desperation again I’d certainly be compelled to reach out to him and offer the Red Pill to him, but as I’ve said in the past, unplugging men from the Matrix is a lot like triage – save the ones you can, read last rites to the dying. But this guy’s not dying and giving him the medicine might be worse than his conditions.

Law 10 – Infection: avoid the unhappy and unlucky.

Though your compassionate, charitable side may compel you to associate with the sad and downtrodden, if power attainment is your goal then avoid such people. Their bad vibe and energy-draining demeanor are too often infectious. You run a very serious risk of falling into line with their misery. Instead spend your time with people who are happy and successful. You can die from someone else’s misery – emotional states are as infectious as disease.

When I quote Law 10 it’s usually in response to a guy dealing with troubled, toxic women dragging them down into the quicksand of their own making. The Savior Schema usually warrants this truth; it’s a want in a belief that a woman will appreciate and reciprocate for a man ready to be the solution to her problems. However, the same can apply for men who attempt to free the minds of other men.

In both volumes of The Rational Male I make a specific effort to address that Rollo Tomassi doesn’t want to be a savior – I want men to be their own saviors because, although I may present Red Pill truths, it’s ultimately a man who needs to be the director of his own life. If the true measure of power is the degree of control a man has over his own life, relying on a savior, relying on how well one conforms to his plan, is really a limit on that power.

As I state in the books, I’m not interested in Tomassi clones, this is why I’m humbled by every man’s story I’m emailed or commented on about how they changed their lives with what I put forth in my writing.

From the Roosh forum again:

The only ‘danger’ the red pill presents is one’s own inability to let go of previous beliefs when confronted with truth. The red pill makes you look in the mirror and come to terms with your own ego and the lies it convinced you of.

“You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.”

Our ego is what we’re ultimately protecting. Most people don’t have an identity beyond their ego, that’s why most of the population can’t handle the red pill. Unless you were born with red pill parents, being raised blue pill and transitioning to red (altering your very reality) will always be traumatic on some level.

I’m of the opinion that trauma and crisis are necessary components to arriving at a point where a man is open to Red Pill awareness. I realize how distorted that sounds. It should be that a rational laying out of Red Pill truths should be self-evident, but it’s important to contrast that hope with the lifetime of feminine-primary conditioning men receive since their infancy.

There will always be people who will never accept even to most base and evident Red Pill fundamental truths. I completely understand Wutang’s premise for wanting to create our own manospherean tribes. We’ve had a good bit of commentary regarding Jack Donovan’s (Way of Men) call for organizing in like-minded collectives of men, and while I agree and find that laudable, I also know that isolation is dangerous.

Even by Law 10 it makes sense to surround oneself with the “happy and successful”; that’s a pretty deductive truth. However, I can’t ignore that many of the most condition-blinded people are also the most happy. I know multi-millionaires who are among the most abject Betas with regard to their intersexual relations.

So I guess what I’m saying is that there needs to be a level of discernment and discretion in this regard. I reach over half a million viewers / readers every month on TRM without advertising, without proselytizing, and men seem to find my works more and more. When the student is ready the teacher will appear – these men are seeking out the Red Pill and I suspect more will as Open Hypergamy and the machinations of the Feminine Imperative become unignorable.

You can’t teach those unwilling to learn – maybe it’s less about being convincing and more about being ready to help when the opportunities arise? That’s not me being magnanimous, that’s me being practical.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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“Your concept of love is the result of a conditioning you’re too afraid to think critically about…”

That sounds like a complete projection, Tomassi. I think critically about love every single day of my life. You don’t even believe in love, so what would you even know of it? You’ve created an entire ideology around the nonsense of hypergamy just to try and justify your own non belief in love.

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But insanitybytes22 has something special to offer us all:

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I give up. Somebody school me on which code is required to embed a gif on this forum. Sun…?

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” . . . all you have done is to reap the wind.”

Honey, I am the wind. Blow me.

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“But insanitybytes22 has something special to offer us all:”

I have nothing to offer you at all except sadness that you cannot even see the nature of your own selves and the harm you do to other people.

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“I think critically about love every single day of my life.”

This statement reviles the root of your dilemma. Love is not something that can be analyzed, strategized, manipulated, captured, critiqued, or negotiated. It can only be experienced and every relationship is temporary. There is no such thing as “believe in”. Those words are substituted for their more honest representation….”pretend”. You cannot control love. You can only really control yourself. You are attempting to avoid this reality.

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This just in. Betas are still chumps.

Shameless Girls Are Using Tinder To Trick Guys Into Buying Them Pizza

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“…you cannot even see the nature of your own selves and the harm you do to other people.”

Not my fault. Not my problem.

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There is no teaching; there is only learning. Just like it is nearly impossible to seduce someone who does not want to be seduced, so is it extremely difficult to teach someone who does not want to (or is simply not ready to) learn. The triage example – save the ones you can, read last rites to the dying – is correct. During my first couple of years exposed to Red Pill I tried to “spread the word” to those I thought it would benefit, but now I don’t say anything until the other person has given some sign, some… Read more »

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insanitybytes22  merits multiple replies (?) And nothing concerning the economy!

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“But men’s anger frightens you, not because men are scary….” Men are scary, Tomassi. They are scary when they stab you 32 times. They are scary when they pour boiling water on you or leave you in a shallow grave somewhere. They are scary when they shoot their wives and babies in the head. Do you not know these things?? You try to wrap the truth in bogus theories about female imperatives and speak nonsense to me about mewling quim, but you haven’t even got the balls to see the world as it really is. Wake the hell up. Male… Read more »

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@Nathan:

The wind blows, the economy sucks.

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Hmm, sounding quite Eastern Mysticism like tonight Rollo. You remember what Bhuddha said “if you meet Me on the road, kill Me instantly”.

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@Insanitybytes Insanitybytes hasn’t read any of the Evo psych literature has referenced and definitely hasn’t read Rollo’s book. TRP is not about hate, it is about pragmatism, truth and self-determination. It might sound melodramatic, but TRP is helping men throw off their shackles. TRP guides men to serve ourselves before serving others. If you genuinely care about men, you will refrain from commenting. This is a male space and not a safe space. Men who’ve experienced the trauma of divorce, losing their children and financial devastation come here to process their anger. Naughty words are sometimes used. It would behoove… Read more »

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Insanitybytes = MYG ?

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@insanitybytes22

You’ve created an entire ideology around the nonsense of hypergamy just to try and justify your own non belief in love.

Awww, you think hypergamy isn’t real even though every single woman on the planet will acknowledge in both words (when asked directly) and actions 100% of the time? That’s adorable!

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Can we keep him/her/it?!

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“Men are scary . . .”

Ahhhhh, but women. Sweet, kind, loving women, who bring you your dinner with a twinkle in the eye . . . and the arsenic in the soup.

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“I have an in-box full of previously suicidal men…”

I have an inbox of raped 9 year olds, girls and boys, that have spent a lifetime cutting themselves, injecting drugs, and working as prostitutes. What’s your point?

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@The Diplomat

Just drop the link to the image/video in, no tags needed. Spectacular image choice there by the way.

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I have an inbox of raped 9 year olds, girls and boys, that have spent a lifetime cutting themselves, injecting drugs, and working as prostitutes.

Hahaha, holy shit that straw man is so hyperbolic it’s broken orbit.

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@insanitybytes Women commit violence through institutions. How many black men are accused of rape falsely only to be cleared by DNA evidence? Look up the Innocence project. Or better yet, look at the Duke scandal, UVA rape fantasy etc..etc.. You seem to have gone full retard. First you want us to listen to you and now you’ve indicted ALL MEN (pardon the caps) as violent thugs. You are acting out every female stereotype in realtime! Stop for a minute, take a breath and think about how you are presenting yourself. Compose a real argument instead of spewing vitriol and hate.… Read more »

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It’s not trite, Tomassi. It’s real life involving real people’s pain. You’re so smug and walled off you can’t even see it. I’m not playing gotcha games, I genuinely want you to understand cause and effect here.

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She is trolling for clicks. Her site needs traffic and, of course, why not “punch up” at a big manosphere blogger. Feminist web misandry 101.

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I’m not playing gotcha games, I genuinely want you to understand cause and effect here.

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I’m not trolling for clicks. I’m attempting to talk to fools. How masochistic of me. Enjoy yourself Tomassi. If you ever want to talk, I’m not quite the idiot you fancy me to be.

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When your career in feminist horseshit fails, be reassured that you’ll have a promising career writing humor for the manosphere.

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“I’m not quite the idiot you fancy me to be.”

Only because Rollo gives you benefit of the doubt. I suspect you’re actually less much substantial than you try to appear.

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I really don’t care about the idiot status. I only have 3 concerns.

1) Is insanitybytes a chick?
2) If so, is she hot?
3) If so, does she give good head?

I’d love to have someone that makes me laugh while they choke on my dick.

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Web traffic plays a significant role in SEO. Every click she gets raises her juice on Google.

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I have no need to unplug from the Matrix, Tomassi, I’ve never lived in your blue pill world. I have no preconditioning, there is no world collapsing in on itself. I know the nature of women, including my own self very well.

Now if you don’t mind I’m really not a masochist who enjoys endless insults and abuse, so I’ll end this conversation now and leave you in peace.

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@ Sun Wukong

She’s a churchian Jesus Alpha widow. So no on #3, doubtful on #2, and affirmative on #1.

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“I’ll end this conversation now and leave you in peace.”

Bullshit. Please oh please prove me wrong.

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Thanks for the gif posting advice!

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Oh well, off to bed.

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“Now if you don’t mind I’m really not a masochist who enjoys endless insults and abuse, so I’ll end this conversation now and leave you in peace.”

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I have an in-box full of previously suicidal men from the last 6 years who’ve thanked me for helping them not put a bullet in their head who’d tell you to go to hell. When I read female commenters and bloggers launch into discussions about character, empathy, morality, immorality, ethics my first instinct is to tell them to fuck off. Not because I think it is a great thing to be immoral and purely selfish, but because I know they are full of shit, the appeal to these things are a debating, rhetorical, shaming tactic. Do you think for one… Read more »

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“I’ll end this conversation now and leave you in peace.”

How many times did Vox hear that one before he made an honest woman out of you?

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M Simon & rugby11ljh

Thank you brothers. These upcoming 5 months (college break) will be the period where the Beta is completely killed and I begin a new life afresh. Thank God for the Red Pill.

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I’ve fucked up my relationships at work by blabbing too much on RP. It’s difficult to get a new job but fuck that. No step back. Ever.

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Its like being a good seducer..its much better when they come to you(even if you set up the conditions that madeit happen).

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@M Simon “Most men prefer to be dominated.” That’s a huge sickness that makes the red pill for me a humor life changer that stings deeply… “So much less whining.” True that @Not born this morning “Kill the bunny damn it!…or it will kill you.” Going to go drown it… “They were simply men who refused to be slaves.” That’s what I need to ponder @Stringofcoins “Most men want to live in bondage. ” My father for one… “I don’t think I’ll ever finish taking the red pill because part of accepting it is knowing you are always on. ”… Read more »

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You always find the perfect images for your posts.

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People know I always liked to speak provocative ideas, so not much problem speaking about RP. But is there some material about how to fix a bad marriage? If the man is suffering and willing to listen. What is the best way to change things without dumping? I could imagine starting slowly with some charming game? And of course passing shit-tests? I think a manual about how to fix a marriage gone blue-pill-wrong is what’s still missing in the manosphere while badly needed. The problem seems to be men who know don’t get there and learning the Red Pill within… Read more »

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Yes the danger of the red pill and the countermeasures you can adopt. Any men that is interested in this theme and spend time and energy on this matters is clearly seeker of answers, as I like to call them, yes a The Doors reference here hehe. The consequence is that any man in this situation won´t stop once he got some answers on why women are they way they are, or why game works, etc. No, a man that start to find answers will apply the same methodology to others fields. Politics, family, friendships, value of work and or… Read more »

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Quick comment regarding the second sentence: The username is Edelweiss, not Edelwiess. In German, Edel means nobel and weiß is white The “noble white” is a central European flower

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpen-Edelwei%C3%9F

ß, ist written ss on English keyboards. This “sharp s” would be used for words like “nice”, where the emphasis on the s is sharper than on the s in the word “must”, for example.

There is also Wiese, though, which means grass.

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The Red Pill has been a time saver for me. I don’t waste time investing in women who aren’t worth it. I see women now for who they are not who I wish they were. Everything now is a learning in the context of how the Red Pill knowledge can eliminate guesswork in how women or even men will react to a certain situation.

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My own red pill consumption was brought about by some degree of crisis in my marriage. Some parts of it were quite hard but I found that in about three months I got through the worst of it. It was mostly the feeling of having been tricked that rubbed me the wrong way. that having been said I don’t think I was ever too ego invested in the Blue Pill, I was just so saturated in it that it took some time to gain sufficient perspective that I could feel OK about how things might work out. I think the… Read more »

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@lh For my part I first found Ian Ironwood’s The Redpill Room and it was my first foray out of a terrible marriage and into a better place. Much of my rehabilitation was spent at MMSL which was at the time not a bad RP place to learn how to rehabilitate a marriage. Rollo does not have any great love for Athol and MSSL, but credit where it is due, it certainly helped me get through the first year of RP in the context of a marriage. Places like CH, ROK, and occasionally TRM are a little bit caustic to… Read more »

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@ianironwood 6:53pm 5/12 – excellent comment Ian. In the same vein, have a question I hope you can answer: Son is entering his teens this week and I can tell is just starting to be interested in girls. I’ve had brief age-appropriate conversations with him on RP topics up to this point, but am thinking that it might be time to drop the Red Pill Primer for Boys on him. I’ve reviewed the materials, and you’ve done a great service to mankind and future men in your preparation of these. My questions: In your estimation is 13 about the right… Read more »

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@Insanity – I’ll play, please don’t go away. But I feel like I met you while you were in the middle of a conversation with someone else. I indeed want many of the things you describe but your commentary on men and violence etc, and the view on what Rollo is doing here seems very denigrating. So, can we start off with a basic question? Define masculinity for us. How you see it. Start there and then connect that to what Rollo isn’t doing. Fair enough? I’ll respond cogently. @All – Trust me, I have a purpose that will serve… Read more »

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More and more I find that all good advice is just specific application of the 48 Laws of Power.

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May 12th, 2015 at 11:32 pm

No man’s worth can ever be or needs to be validated by a woman.

If Einstein never had a wife (or two) and a mistress (or two) would his work be worth any less?

Women are ornaments. Unless they produce children. But that is also incidental. If Einstein was not a good family man would that detract from his work?

Here is my rating system:

1. Did you create wealth (doesn’t matter if you didn’t get some yourself – Tesla died poor)?
2. Did you advance civilization?

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@Nathan – You know my background with economics and global finance etc? The best shorthand I’ve come up with to demonstrate my credibility is that I sold AIG their derivatives market/credit risk management systems, yes? I operated at the highest level of capital markets for a decade, and then moved on cuz I was bored and found it kind of empty. Economics – A fun factfor the men here to consider: – Bryan Caplan, an economist at GMU has studied economic knowledge and how it varies across society. He found that adult women have the economic understanding of male teenagers.… Read more »

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May 13th, 2015 at 12:24 am

I put it in bare. No brackets. Let’s see what happens.

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I don’t recall having a specific Red Pill talk with my son. It was more like a constant low key theme in living, training and conversation and I reckon his mother turning on him and his sister sealed it.

More I think about it, the more likely it is problems with their .mother was the back drop used to.explain it all to both of them

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More on economics. – The build up of debt by our govts (local, state and federal) correlates perfectly with the political participation of women in our society. – The build up of personal debt (starts in the ’60s) correlates perfectly with the broad participation of women in the workplace and economy. – Women now control 80% of household spending (wow – what a weird form of oppression – giving them an overwhelming majority of control over how our society’s wealth is spent, lol). This turn of events correlates perfectly with the rise of consumerism and consumer culture. Lefties love to… Read more »

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More on the economics. – We are about to enter the time period where the U.S. govt’s promises will bankrupt it, along with most states as 25% of state spending comes from the feds and many states are in a crisis of unfunded liabilities and debt they cannot service. The chart has been around for 30 years – the demographics begin to overwhelm us increasingly and by the mid 2020s it’s an absurd scenario that will cause global economic collapse. The harbingers are already there in the numbers if you understand them, and we are seeing real economic chaos globally… Read more »

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A thought here, as somebody who has worked as a media contact and PR person for a major organization, many, many moons ago. The problem isn’t the message. The problem is the marketing and sales, aka the delivery. Ever met a new convert to a given ideology or religion and heard them go on and on about their new belief system? Most the point where the audience just gets up and leaves even? Or the guy who may have a good answer to your question, but couches it in ten paragraphs of things you are not yet interested in? Try… Read more »

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Economics – What will happen during and after the collapse? Again, M. Simon makes it simple. All the “real wealth” will still exist – property, factories, durable goods, equipment etc. The financial system will reboot and wrap itself around real wealth again. But the real wealth of our society is nowhere near what our balance sheet tells us it is. We will likely be set back by 75% or so (hard to say given all the complexities but it will be shockingly lower) Ramifications – Consider the women mostly work in the fields that don’t build shit that is real… Read more »

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I am far better off now since taking the red pill. Yeah a lot of bitterness but it’s motivating me to improve all aspects of my life. I have actually minimized exposure to blue pill friends of mine. I just had a blue pill friend of mine reunite with his wife after a 2 year separation where she rode the CC hard while separated…red pill would save his ass to what will probably be a 2nd divorce or worse…lifetime slavery.

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Last: The End Game The leftists will try to implement a much more authoritarian system when this all falls apart. But you see, they will have to rely on the use of force being exercised by Men. Men like SFCTon – tell us, SFCTon, how many of your brothers in arms will turn their weapons on the people? I know many men in the police and military and while there are many betas, most will not respond to such orders. And without the use of force, lefties will have no control over our society anymore. In fact, my plan for… Read more »

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Getting back to the meat of the OP. I have a couple of methods to probe if a man is receptive to red pill truth. One of simplest steps I took in unplugging has proven to be very effective. I stopped watching television in January 2014. The removal of that fem-centric medium ended the flood of blue pill programming. Peace and in-depth observation and thinking have filled the void. In conversations with acquaintances new and old, I’ll throw out ‘I stopped watching TV last year.’ If my interlocutor is fascinated, or asks what it’s like, I’ll lead the conversation to… Read more »

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@Agent P: Thx. I didn’t know MMSL. I’m sceptical about purple pill though. I would prefer something from Rollo on how to fix a blue-pill-broken marriage.

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Insanitybytes22 suffers a typical malaise common in touchyfeely leftists types: “If she could only educate you on what you need to know, then you could begin to see the truth(tm) and you would get better, for the world.” By framing around your perceived need to be “educated”, she can multiply how she receives good feels. It’s all a dumpster fire of narcissism that follows around most BPD chicks with relatively high IQ’s and the third letter of their MBTI stack being an “F”. Typical, readily observable, and infinitely reproducible. Common with chick therapists, psychologists, and strangely NOT psychiatrist (brains usually… Read more »

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@Tilikum – I’ve resisted criticizing your references to MBTI but at this point you really need to get what a steaming heap of horseshit MBTI is. It’s been debunked in academic psychology since 1994 and really is just a tool that consultants sell to corporations to provide the illusion of understanding of organizational dynamics from a psychological perspectve. Forbes did a great write up on it, citing lots of well known, valid and reliable research. http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddessig/2014/09/29/the-mysterious-popularity-of-the-meaningless-myers-briggs-mbti/ Sure, “f” – feels – is the problem when trying to actually get anything done in a group setting, but MBTI is unnecessary to… Read more »

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@sjfrellc

“Another thing that Rollo would dismiss as Jungian, so therefore suspect. Jung was for the Feminine imperative what Marx was for Socialism/Communism. The devil.”

Check out the link below before throwing Jung under the totally under the bus.

http://www.returnofkings.com/51627/carl-jung-predicted-catastrophe-of-modern-gender-relations

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“To fully accept the red pill, for someone who was so deep into my blue pill conditioning, I had to kill my ego. I set out to destroy it years ago. It was an incredible experience the likes of which are difficult to explain. I hope I never have to do such a thing again. To rebuild who I am at the deepest level. From nothing.”

How did you go about that?

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An opening snippet from a recent blog post by Insanity. “People in general are rather appalling to each other, self-absorbed, inconsiderate, competitive, often seeking to prey on the weak and vulnerable. Relentlessly driven to be dominant and not in a good way either. Many people want all the power and none of the responsibility and they don’t really care who they mow over in the process.” @Insanity – Are you not being dominant when you open by trying to impose this ridiculously skewed description of human nature on the reader? Do you not recognize your own attempts at dominance in… Read more »

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@ Glenn I’ll be kind. A Red Pill taxonomical system that allows 50% of the species (I’ll let you guess which 50%) to escape measurement, the consequence of their behaviors, and maintain the illusion of their “feminine mystique” built directly from the theories of Red Pill actors (Jung, Freud) has been discredited you say? Quelle surprise! You are almost there but you may have to prop your eyes open with toothpicks to go the rest of the way. EVERYTHING you have been taught (other than your consumer habits), have been lies (outright or by omission). I’ll stick to what I… Read more »

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RE: above

Meant “dose not allow”

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@Tilikum – You have just lost status with me. I provide an article full of cites for you to reference and you instead fall back on what essentially amounts to personal casuistry and some sense of your own superiority. Lol, shut the fuck up if you can’t offer a real argument in response.

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Glenn, I have a very open mind about many thinks and after a long time reading your comments I respect your opinions. I find the link between Right Manosphere, Left Feminism interesting. What is your position on “righters” or whatever term you use for them. Such as let´s say the Republican party in USA? I can see how you really, really dislike the left, but I wonder what are the great things that make the current right better than that left you despise so much. I asking cause at least from Europe where I always lived, I see the right… Read more »

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Glenn, I think you are referring to me re: MBTI. I agree with your criticism of MBTI for industries to try to fit alleged round pegs into round holes. I have read the Forbes article before and I understand the limitation of Meyers-Briggs analysis of groups of people for a top-down use. People are not binary in each of the 4 categories. Most often a bell curve applies. “Using it to make career, personnel or leadership development decisions is like baking cookies with a saxophone; it’s just not the right tool for the job.” (from the Forbes Article). I agree… Read more »

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@ Glenn

Lol. Perhaps you should consider this a lesson on how to trust yourself, your observations, and maintain your hard fought personal frame in the presence of the intense peer pressure that the hive mind wields so effectively (usually through “studies”and the like, no agenda there eh?!)

Maybe your sales will improve smile

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Attention is a price way too high for most people to pay.

Awaken? Indeed.

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Jetxo
May 13th, 2015 at 10:12 am

IMO the Right is just as despicable as the left. White Knight is just another submission to the FI.

The main difference between Right and Left is that the Right can do arithmetic – when it wants to. It will avoid said arithmetic if the results are inconvenient to its policy goals.

In some (very few) cases the left is as good as the right when it comes to arithmetic. But it has more reason to avoid it. Policy goals.

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I love you Rollo

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M Simon
May 13th, 2015 at 10:28 am

There are worse thing than being servants to corporations. Corporations produce things. The left is servant to consumption without a care for production.

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The only ‘danger’ the red pill presents is one’s own inability to let go of previous beliefs when confronted with truth. The red pill makes you look in the mirror and come to terms with your own ego and the lies it convinced you of. That’s kind of simplistic. The dangers involved in digesting the red pill depend greatly on how many roots you’ve put down in blue pill land. There’s a girl I work with, I’ve met her father 1 time and heard her discuss her family numerous times. I’ve barely interacted with their family but I know for… Read more »

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Jetxo
May 13th, 2015 at 10:12 am

This was meant for you:

There are worse thing than being servants to corporations. Corporations produce things. The left is servant to consumption without a care for production.

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@Atticus
May 13th, 2015 at 9:29 am

Atticus, I had read that article before and thought that it kind of cherry picked few ideas.

Carl Jung made observations. A long time ago, without modern tools of data collection. It’s not what he wrote, but what Feminism took from his ideas and ran with as a banner, that would have him be thrown under a bus by red pill men.

I wouldn’t throw him under the bus. I’m just not very knowledgeable about the subjetc.

Rollo sure would, though:

http://therationalmale.com/2012/01/11/the-curse-of-jung/

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May 13th, 2015 at 9:30 am

Two words. The most difficult hing you will ever do. And yet it is so off hand you hear it frequently:

PAY ATTENTION

It is the hardest thing you will ever do.

I refer you back to my:

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@sjfrellc

My general reaction to women telling me their MBTI is “Yeah? Well I’m an Aquarius. Now that that’s out of the way…”

It really carries about that much weight to me when I’ve read about it.

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Seraph
May 13th, 2015 at 9:30 am

There are all kinds of names for it. Yoga. Meditation. etc. It all comes down to paying attention. To stop the sleep walking. Don’t be a zombie. etc. etc. etc.

PAY ATTENTION

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M Simon I appreciate the answer, I see it in the similar way. My evolution went: Grew in a catholic family under the old set of rules Became like so many teens (guess is the age) a leftist idealistic unicorn believer The older I grow the more i abandoned those ideas and I am sort of conservative in many ways, hating SJW, etc. but the more I know about the world the more I just see it as a different flavor for the same shit. If it was not for things the left and unions did (1848 —> 1st of… Read more »

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Sun Wukong
May 13th, 2015 at 10:41 am

Tell her, “On the MBTI I’m an Ascended Bastard.” If you get a chance to do that I’d love to see what reaction you get.

I just Googled “ascended bastard” and this came near the top:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.drugs.psychedelic/Fts8iad5p7E

Too funny.

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