The Dangers of the Red Pill

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I came across an interesting thread on Roosh’s forum recently that linked very well with some experiences I’ve been having over the course of the last few weeks. Eldelwiess was the OP here and he just hints upon a greater whole of the danger of the Red Pill:

It’s a very tough choice to make, yet inevitable. You HAVE to.

But it’s a difficult pill to swallow.

The side effects are really nasty.

Ever since I did it, my life changed to the better, but alas, to the bitter too.

The thing is I now SEE. I’m not blind anymore. But I don’t LIKE what I see.

Because what I see is hypocrisy, degeneration, mediocrity, ignorance and mental slavery.

When you see the world in red pill eyes, you see the ugly reality.
It makes you stop enjoying many things in life.
It makes you find the majority of the people boring, uninteresting and frankly stupid. You pity them.
It makes the bulk of the women unworthy of your time.
It makes you can’t stand your colleagues.
It makes many jokes not funny anymore.
It makes you question everything.
It makes everyone untrustworthy, even your physicians.

It makes you…a better person ! And I love it.

But I understand why the majority of the people ignore the red pill and decide to remain in blue pill slavery and mediocrity. It’s easier. And you get to still enjoy life as you knew it, keep the friends who do the exact same thing, sympathize with your colleagues who complain about long working hours, date the same women who feel entitled to everything, watch the same TV programs which numb your mind and make you lose IQ points, vote for the same politicians who control the strings that make you move…

It’s easier.

Eldelwiess is just coming around to acknowledging The Bitter Taste of the Red Pillbut the inherent danger he’s hinting at here goes a little further beyond the perception of a Red Pill aware man being “bitter”, and into the social dynamics that center on creating and interpreting him being such. The danger in this context is not just a bitter perception, but rather one of personal, professional and familial ostracization for expressing Red Pill truths.

I touched on these liabilities in The Secret of the Red Pill, but this was more from the perspective of women having their Game explained to them and what Red Pill aware men might expect for having confronted them with it. The impact of that may only be the perception of you being a presumptuous asshole by an individual woman, however, there are broader implications and consequences for “living” the Red Pill in a larger social sense.

Wutang from Roosh’s forum:

I actually had a falling out with a group of casual acquaintances when my association with RP was revealed among the group so there is a “danger” with it affecting your social bonds. I put danger in quotes because you really should see it as more of an act of filtering out who you associate with rather then any sort of great harm; the exception being if these are people who you work with or who can put a wrench in you advancing in your goals. If the only real harm is losing a few acquaintances or even friends then you should ask yourself if these are really the sort of people you want to associate with. Do you want to surround yourself with people that are apparently so mentally weak that mere words and difference of opinion can drive them into bouts of wailing and sobbing?

While we promote self-sufficiency and being beholden to no other man or system in our particular subculture we need to keep remembering that no man is an island. The people you associate with are going to determine where you are heading. Surround yourself with people who possess beliefs that lead to perpetual victimhood and you’ll become a victim yourself. Associate with people that can’t stand up for anything except a spineless tolerance that refuses to make any sort of value judgements and make the tough choice of saying ‘A is simply better then B when it comes to accomplishing C” whether A is an idea, an action, or even a type of person and you will soon lose your own spine; being afraid to fight for anything for the fear that it’ll make someone somewhere unhappy.

That said this was still a lesson in knowing when is the right time to drop RP knowledge. Naturally I’m a very open and sharing person when it comes to my beliefs and opinions but after this incident I’ve learned to be a lot more careful. In this case I didn’t really lose much since I was already growing to dislike quite a few of the people in the group but it definitely was a warning – what if this has happened with people who I actually respected and who were in positions and had connections that could either help or hinder me in my personal goals? Be careful out there guys.

I quoted this today because I find myself having to temper and measure my Red Pill evangelism with people I know personally or interact with professionally. I say evangelism because, in spite of any measured explanation, this is what it comes off as to most uninitiated Blue Pill plugins. There’s a degree of diplomatic tact you have to practice the more Red Pill aware a man becomes.

Sometimes that’s tough, especially when you’ve gone through personal changes and development that’s benefitted your life as a result. Red Pill awareness may have even saved a man’s life, so just shutting up about it, or having a hesitancy to help out a fellow man in need of that awareness becomes a real conflict.

In June I’ll have been back in Nevada for two years and in that time I’ve reacquainted myself with old friends I haven’t seen since I left for Florida almost ten years ago. All of them I find in similar (if not identical) states in which I left them. Some of these men are long time close personal friends I’d kept in touch with over the years, but with the exception of maybe one out of a dozen, all are still foundering in the same Beta mindset, lifestyle and behaviors they had ten years ago. All of them still complain of the same Beta-relationship issues they had with their wives (some now ex-wives) they confided in me then.

The Rule

NEO: I can’t go back, can I?

MORPHEUS: No. But if you could, would you really want to?  I feel that I owe you an apology. There is a rule that we do not free a mind once it reaches a certain age. It is dangerous. They have trouble letting go. Their mind turns against them. I’ve seen it happen. I’m sorry. I broke the rule because I had to.

You’ll have to forgive my using the Matrix metaphor, but every time I’m tempted to awaken a man I think may desperately need the truth of Red Pill awareness I’m reminded of this exchange. I understand why this would be a rule. Granted, I’ve broken it myself many times; usually when I think a man is a danger to himself, but I do so with the knowing that I’ll need to invest myself personally in his conditions and that’s where that cautious hesitation comes from.

There are friends I have who I know would outright reject Red Pill truths, but more so their lives would be turned upside down by having to confront those truths. I have a very good friend who’s remarried and living a new life with his second wife, who is still clinging to all of the internalized Beta illusions and behaviors that contributed to his first brutal divorce.

I could make him aware of all the factors that led up to this very painful episode in his life. I could run down the list of how the woman he married early in life followed the time line I put forth in Preventive Medicine to the letter, why his daughters are both following her footsteps and why his son will grow into being a martyred Beta White Knight like himself.

I could also explain all the factors that led to his new wife’s need for him (who by his Beta measures he’s thrilled with), but I ask myself, why destroy that bliss for him? He’s not now, nor likely will be, ready to have any of that explained. My concern is that he’s too far along in life to bear the burden of that truth. He’d have trouble letting go. His mind would turn against him.

If he were to reach that point of desperation again I’d certainly be compelled to reach out to him and offer the Red Pill to him, but as I’ve said in the past, unplugging men from the Matrix is a lot like triage – save the ones you can, read last rites to the dying. But this guy’s not dying and giving him the medicine might be worse than his conditions.

Law 10 – Infection: avoid the unhappy and unlucky.

Though your compassionate, charitable side may compel you to associate with the sad and downtrodden, if power attainment is your goal then avoid such people. Their bad vibe and energy-draining demeanor are too often infectious. You run a very serious risk of falling into line with their misery. Instead spend your time with people who are happy and successful. You can die from someone else’s misery – emotional states are as infectious as disease.

When I quote Law 10 it’s usually in response to a guy dealing with troubled, toxic women dragging them down into the quicksand of their own making. The Savior Schema usually warrants this truth; it’s a want in a belief that a woman will appreciate and reciprocate for a man ready to be the solution to her problems. However, the same can apply for men who attempt to free the minds of other men.

In both volumes of The Rational Male I make a specific effort to address that Rollo Tomassi doesn’t want to be a savior – I want men to be their own saviors because, although I may present Red Pill truths, it’s ultimately a man who needs to be the director of his own life. If the true measure of power is the degree of control a man has over his own life, relying on a savior, relying on how well one conforms to his plan, is really a limit on that power.

As I state in the books, I’m not interested in Tomassi clones, this is why I’m humbled by every man’s story I’m emailed or commented on about how they changed their lives with what I put forth in my writing.

From the Roosh forum again:

The only ‘danger’ the red pill presents is one’s own inability to let go of previous beliefs when confronted with truth. The red pill makes you look in the mirror and come to terms with your own ego and the lies it convinced you of.

“You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.”

Our ego is what we’re ultimately protecting. Most people don’t have an identity beyond their ego, that’s why most of the population can’t handle the red pill. Unless you were born with red pill parents, being raised blue pill and transitioning to red (altering your very reality) will always be traumatic on some level.

I’m of the opinion that trauma and crisis are necessary components to arriving at a point where a man is open to Red Pill awareness. I realize how distorted that sounds. It should be that a rational laying out of Red Pill truths should be self-evident, but it’s important to contrast that hope with the lifetime of feminine-primary conditioning men receive since their infancy.

There will always be people who will never accept even to most base and evident Red Pill fundamental truths. I completely understand Wutang’s premise for wanting to create our own manospherean tribes. We’ve had a good bit of commentary regarding Jack Donovan’s (Way of Men) call for organizing in like-minded collectives of men, and while I agree and find that laudable, I also know that isolation is dangerous.

Even by Law 10 it makes sense to surround oneself with the “happy and successful”; that’s a pretty deductive truth. However, I can’t ignore that many of the most condition-blinded people are also the most happy. I know multi-millionaires who are among the most abject Betas with regard to their intersexual relations.

So I guess what I’m saying is that there needs to be a level of discernment and discretion in this regard. I reach over half a million viewers / readers every month on TRM without advertising, without proselytizing, and men seem to find my works more and more. When the student is ready the teacher will appear – these men are seeking out the Red Pill and I suspect more will as Open Hypergamy and the machinations of the Feminine Imperative become unignorable.

You can’t teach those unwilling to learn – maybe it’s less about being convincing and more about being ready to help when the opportunities arise? That’s not me being magnanimous, that’s me being practical.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

755 comments on “The Dangers of the Red Pill

  1. @ MYG

    No, there’s not. The sugar packets are behind the counter. Salt and pepper are up for grabs. Not the sugar. You have to ask for it if you want extras. Different places are different. Some of them I’ve been at, the fountain drinks are all behind the counter too.

    Ignoring customers is rude. I would feel uncomfortable is a cashier girl was flirting with me while there were people waiting in line behind me. You just don’t do that. It doesn’t matter who it is.

    If there was no one around, that would be different. But when you’ve got people waiting in line and you’re supposed to serve them, keeping them waiting so you can dick around talking to someone is extremely rude.

    It’s like people stopping their car in the middle of the road to talk to their friend who’s in another car on the other side of the road and blocking the whole thing off. When there’s no one around, okay. But when you see another car coming, move your ass. The worst is when people feel like they’re entitled to do that.

    One of my friends at work was telling me how this kid was leaning on the hood of his car one day after he got out of a restaurant. He asked him to please move, he was going to get in his car and go home, and he’d appreciate it. The kid goes “Fuck you.”

    This repeats about 3 times. He was trying to impress his circle of friends. So the guy goes “Okay,” then cold cocks him. Knocked him the fuck out right off the hood of his car and then got in and drove off. He said he was worried his friends would jump him, but they all just went “ooooooh” and laughed their asses off. The kid was trying to be a big shot to show off and ended up making a complete ass out of himself.

    It’s just manners. Most people, I’ve found, are willing to compromise or are understanding if you have good manners. And if not, 99% of the time they’re not going to actively give you a problem about it even if they’re a little irritated.

    It’s when this sense of entitlement comes in that things get all fucked up. You’re working a job. You’re supposed to take people’s orders and ring them up. You don’t stand there with waiting customers right in front of your face with your thumb up your ass while you’re making jokes with someone who’s already placed their order and paid and should be waiting on the other side.

  2. Glenn,

    “Rugby – I cried reading your comments. I could relate to so much of it. My life was half dominated by women. You see after my mom died at age 11, my 2 older bros had just gone on to college. Up till then there were 4 boys and my mom and big sister – and my mom didn’t run the house. The newborn who my Mom passed giving birth two was a girl. My Dad marries stepmom 15 months later – cuz he knocked her up just like my mom (and he knocked my mom up again accidentally at 39 which killed her, you see even though our family doctor told my mom to have an abortion or the baby would kill her, she had the baby anyway and died – she was a good Catholic), the step mom has two daughters, the kid they have is a girl. My dad and stepmom split.

    ….Many small things were out of kilter and it all added up to me feeling like I had to “earn it” every day. But it was better than my maniac Dad so I felt like I had to be grateful. And she didn’t hit me – that came from my Dad …….

    I was so glad to get out of a female dominated environment ….”

    – Glenn talks about his “maniac dad” who also physically abused him, and other commenters have shared about their abusive dads, yet “its all womens’ fault”. ?

  3. Christ, I’ve got a lot of editing ahead of me. I need to be a lot stricter about the clock next time.

  4. @ Lone Survivor

    Tried the Red Pill? Want to try the Black Pill?

    http://www.troll.me/images/angry-samuel-l-jackson/aw-shit.jpg

    I know who Eben Pagan is from your link. That guy is a con-artist piece of shit.

    I had no idea he started the concept of “game”. I had no idea those syndicate shit heads worked together to fleece guys on the man-o-sphere with phony advice about women. I thought they were still busy selling vitamins.

    Suddenly I get it. Fuck everything.

    Folks look out for yourself because there is always someone willing to earn a tidy profit by telling you what they know you want to hear.

  5. Evidently David DeAngelo is one of the (probably many) names that Eben Pagan sells products under.

    David DeAngelo Is A Scam. Here’s Why.

    The secret strategy, worth $20-$300 + $20 a month? Be “cocky and funny.” And “don’t be a wimpy nice guy.”

    Um, ok? This is like telling someone who wants to become a master chef to “not burn the food.” The David DeAngelo products harp on this single point – don’t be a nice wimp – as well as the point that it’s a numbers game, meet a lot of women.

  6. @Softek,

    RE; the trolls at 7:26, 7:47, 8:17 and prior thereto: When the cats’ away the trolls will play.

    Re: 8:17 specifically, I don’t think you are invited, but maybe you should scroll back and verify….memory and all that……

    Softie, You write too coherently to be as disturbed as you think you are. It is necessary to get it out I know, and you should keep talking, but the drugs,…I don’t think so.

  7. The temptation is to posit that under necessitous, raw socialistic conditions, humans are more egalitarian, but under capitalism/oligarchy–more patriarchal. But that seems too simplistic.

    1. @M simon
      “I used to be a harmonica player. Because you could carry it in your pocket. ”

      I really miss mine

      @Sun wukong
      Hey went out to help some men tonight in person. How did it go? I found a computer and tried logging on but it didn’t work.

      @MYG
      You know my mother creating the environment for the violence but making a point of her emotional demands whixh usualy ended in violence directed at me not her. That is why me a Glenn can connect that way because women have and will use their presence to intiate violence on purpose or not has no meaning once it starts.

  8. @ Longgone

    Yeah, I agree.

    I’ve had good results with oneirogens (dream enhancing substances). it’s the safest ‘drug’ to take for the purposes of experiencing altered states of consciousness.

    Endogenous production of DMT has fascinated me for a very long time. I think it’s still unknown what its function is, and if it’s involved at all with dreaming. It would make sense that it would be.

    Lucid dreaming is definitely very cool. And very interesting. It also helps that oneirogens are mostly legal, and your body produces chemicals to paralyze itself while you sleep so it’s not likely that you’re going to get up and get naked and run out into traffic. It’s very safe and very interesting. I’m personally not afraid of dreams. I used to be but not anymore. It helps a lot with experimenting with oneirogens. If you’re afraid you’re going to have a nightmare I’m sure it’s similar to being afraid you’ll have a bad trip on shrooms or acid. You set yourself up for it when you think that way. If you’re completely calm and indifferent you’re more likely to have a good experience, and to be able to turn things around easily if they start going south.

    Introspection is a hell of a drug. Isolation is not healthy and I’m sure that excessive amounts of isolation have contributed to the small handful of visual and auditory hallucinations I’ve experienced, as well as the couple nervous breakdowns/psychotic episodes.

    You can definitely freak yourself out by isolating yourself for long periods of time and thinking about weird things. I have to watch out for that.

    Makes me think of that line from a Warren Zevon song:

    “I called up my friend Leroy on the phone
    I said buddy, I’m afraid to be alone
    ‘Cause I got some weird ideas in my head
    About things to do in Denver when you’re dead”

    I get kind of frustrated when I place so much importance on my thoughts and introspection, but then I really just feel like I’d rather go out for a pizza with some friends and have some girl(s) to come home to that I could bang before going to sleep.

    Like human consciousness, and the edge/limits of what our brains can do and what we can perceive, yeah…that’s cool. I kind of just want to have a pregnant STD-free girl to fuck raw though basically forever. Like can I just have unprotected sex without worrying about anything? That would be great.

    Until then I guess I can tolerate being somewhat passionate about writing and music and stuff like that. I guess. I get the “mission” thing but throw me a bone here. Can’t blame a 25 year old virgin for wanting to get his dick wet. If anyone knows any pregnant STD-free girls who want to get some banging going let me know.

    Lol. Some of us are beyond redemption. What can I say? Ha.

    I’m serious about that pregnant girl stuff though. That’s the real unicorn. If she’s STD free, can’t get pregnant, and just wants to fool around without getting into anything serious — THAT is a unicorn. Now we’re talking.

    There’s gotta be some girls somewhere in the world like that. Come on. I saw this shirt that said “I may not be Mr. Right, but I’ll fuck you till he shows up.” OH YES!

    1. I approached more people than ever today and just got my team up and running. The red pill is healing the fuck out of me and I just got a Siberian to help with my front end.

      Holy hell I am changing my old habits and not as sad I am gaining weight and I and not interested in appeasing anybody. This new stuff is freaking me out in a good way. Going to out and hit up a better since of fashion.

      With gratitude
      Rugby
      By the way Sun I really wante to make it but it’s Been to damn long since I’ve had my ass handed to me. So I focused on people in person today.
      Hope to hear your recording sometime. Thanks for putting that in place your amazing.

  9. @ Sun Wukong

    Lol, I’ve spent a good decade editing seminar videos as a sideline. Nothing like being balls deep into a 6-hour editing grind to teach you discipline.

  10. @Forge

    I did TV productions in high school, though the editing was non-linear at the time. Still, edits are pretty easy when you’ve got video to look at. Audio only though? This’ll take some time…

  11. @sjfrellic:

    whoa…Doestoyevsky? I’ll add The Brothers Karamazov to my reading list bc I may need some more context…HOWEVER, if the implication is that Christ (God, Jesus, et al) is red pill, then I am totally down with that! What makes people comfortable isn’t what’s always best. Ironic how the christian church doesn’t seem to operate that way.

    Christianity relies on the word of God as truth, and those who don’t believe or obey the word of God (w. forgiveness of sins etc built in, of course), will end up in hell. Christianity is clear on its “rules” (e.g., 10 commandments, wages of sin is death…) but forgiveness is available for those who accept Jesus etc. I could probably do a better job of explaining that.

    But back to free will…free will implies some knowledge or information a person has, and based on that information the person is making a decision. A person who lacks knowledge can’t necessarily be at fault for not knowing. But if the person should have known, then they generally are responsible… SO a person who clearly knows, but then completely acts in opposition to what they know as “the right thing” really bears some significant measure of responsibility for their actions. I guess there are exceptions to clearly knowing and acting against knowing the better option, which suggests to me that free will should also account for external influence or “environmental” factors, e.g., physiological mechanisms, bad advice from douche bag double-dealing “friends,” etc. And that can mean just about anything…so maybe the best thing to do is pray for people (even those that don’t believe in God) and hope God helps them…and that they’re okay.

    But yes, “free will, it is a bitch.” There’s a scene towards the end of The Devil’s Advocate when Kevin Lomax/Keanu Reeves (young attorney being “groomed” to father satan’s (John Milton/Al Pacino) kid) and Milton are discussing the Bible and Kevin reminds him that in the end he loses. The free will quote is from that movie.

  12. @The Diplomat

    “The scientists collected genealogical data from two hunter-gatherer populations, one in the Congo and one in the Philippines,” the Guardian reports, “including kinship relations, movement between camps and residence patterns, through hundreds of interviews.” In more sexist societies, “tight hubs of related individuals emerged” as men try to amass as much power and influence as possible through their own families.

    More egalitatarian societies, however, spread out a lot more, as women have more control over how they live and who they sleep with. “When only men have influence over who they are living with, the core of any community is a dense network of closely related men with the spouses on the periphery,” Dyble told the Guardian. “If men and women decide, you don’t get groups of four or five brothers living together.”

    I think they’re demonstrating hypergamy but they don’t understand what they’re seeing. Matching kinship in early humans shows that tight hubs of individuals emerged? Sounds like there’s an alpha in the village that every girl bangs and procreates from either secretly or openly. “When only men have influence over who they are living with?” How did they determine this exactly? And are they equating “living with” a woman with “passing DNA into a new generation” ? That’s a leap of logic. Their reasoning seems to discount natural female control over which babies live, and which die; which semen gets accepted, and which gets removed by hand. They begin from the premise of female impotence to pick winners and losers from the men, which is an absurd victim mentality that ignores female power and part of the premise of those who would argue against evo psych.

  13. Zdoidz,

    “I know who Eben Pagan is from your link. That guy is a con-artist piece of shit.

    I had no idea he started the concept of “game”. I had no idea those syndicate shit heads worked together to fleece guys on the man-o-sphere with phony advice about women. I thought they were still busy selling vitamins.

    Suddenly I get it. Fuck everything.

    Folks look out for yourself because there is always someone willing to earn a tidy profit by telling you what they know you want to hear.”

    – That’s ooooolllllllddddd, old news brah. Like at least a decade.

    Emily L.

    “do you think the word of God/Christ/ is more red or blue pill?”

    – Neither. Its just silly.

    Knock knock.

    Who’s there?

    Jesus.

    What do you want?

    To save you.

    From what?

    From what will happen to you if you don’t let me in.

  14. “I’ve had good results with oneirogens (dream enhancing substances). it’s the safest ‘drug’ to take for the purposes of experiencing altered states of consciousness.

    Endogenous production of DMT has fascinated me for a very long time. I think it’s still unknown what its function is, and if it’s involved at all with dreaming. It would make sense that it would be.

    Lucid dreaming is definitely very cool. And very interesting. It also helps that oneirogens are mostly legal, and your body produces chemicals to paralyze itself while you sleep so it’s not likely that you’re going to get up and get naked and run out into traffic. It’s very safe and very interesting. I’m personally not afraid of dreams. I used to be but not anymore. It helps a lot with experimenting with oneirogens. If you’re afraid you’re going to have a nightmare I’m sure it’s similar to being afraid you’ll have a bad trip on shrooms or acid. You set yourself up for it when you think that way. If you’re completely calm and indifferent you’re more likely to have a good experience, and to be able to turn things around easily if they start going south.

    Like human consciousness, and the edge/limits of what our brains can do and what we can perceive, yeah…that’s cool.”

    – Softek, Rugby, seriously check out Theravada Buddhism. They have techniques for controlling one’s dreams and their meditation techniques can help with mental illnesses. Plus you’ll meet a core group of serious guys into the 4 Noble Truths and Right Living. Most Theravadins in the US are male.

    “If anyone knows any pregnant STD-free girls who want to get some banging going let me know.

    I’m serious about that pregnant girl stuff though. That’s the real unicorn. If she’s STD free, can’t get pregnant, and just wants to fool around without getting into anything serious — THAT is a unicorn. Now we’re talking.”

    – Not a unicorn. You do realize don’t you that you can prevent pregnancy by wearing a condom? Don’t quite get why you’d want to have sex with a pregnant woman.

  15. “You are in the #4 category of this article . . .”

    Ironically, the author of the article proves that he is #4 in the process of describing #4. Quite the nasty little piece of work that I wouldn’t take social advice from.

    “I had no idea he started the concept of “game””

    Because he didn’t do anything of the kind. Long before Eban was born comics hawked “How to Pick Up Girls” and Feynman had begun investigating game on a somewhat formal basis.

  16. @M Simon

    Richard Feynman invented Game to sell books? As if a Nobel Prize wasn’t enough? As if teaching Physics wasn’t enough? Seriously?

    I hardly doubt it:
    1. Feynman is mentioned by one of the commenters of the blog in an ambiguous and blurry manner. Such commenter says “Feynman SHOULD be investigated”.
    2. The book mentioned by the commenter tells Feynman stories outside science, it is some sort of autobiography with no clear reference to “game”.

    The TRUE spot on is that “game” is utter shit. PUA is a predatory market where PUAs are constantly stealing customers from each other by selling a new “miracle formula to get laid, 100% guaranteed”.

    And the blunt truth is that “game” craves for female approval, therefore it cannot be Red Pill without refusing to follow “game” rules.

  17. @MYG – Don’t start taking cheap shots at my expense here motherfucker. Your dime store psychological take on so many matters merely reveals what an impotent douche you are. Try talking about yourself for once instead of presuming that your blather is revelatory for us. It’s not, you are a cunt, just like Insanity.

    I bet you get punched in the face a lot. You certainly would if you hung around me and ran your fucking yap like you do here. So sad, the best part of you apparently ran down your mom’s leg. Did you even have a dad? You sound a lot like a guy raised by a single mom.

    Seriously though, what the fuck is wrong with you? Do you have any sel-awareness?

  18. GWADT – Funny how you know me better than I do. Nothing new there of course, moronic bitches have been telling me who I am and how I feel for most of my life. It’s only recently that I’ve been telling them what I actually think of them.

    I didn’t click through to your insipid link, I have too much dignity to do so. I don’t hate you, GWADT, you just detect anger from me, and here I can express anger and not be shamed for it. I don’t invest any energy in you at all actually, beyond the words we exchange in comments. You don’t matter to me, how could I hate you?

    Even more to the point, do you see how you are just playing out the FI script here, shaming me because I don’t play ball with you the way you’d like? One moment you are telling me you care about me and the next you are telling me I’m a crappy person – like MYG, I’ll ask you, do you have any real self-awareness?

    Even more to the point, I and many other men here have repeatedly said that we would like this to be a male space, yet you persist. You claim to care about men, so why can’t you just shut the fuck up? At least InsanityCunt and Liz are real trolls, they don’t pretend to actually give a shit about any of us. You? You want to be our little Christian hottie school marm or something. Tell you what, I’ll be a good boy if during story time you pretend not to notice me looking up your skirt, okay?

    Guys notice who the bitches are here. I share openly and honestly about my pain and suffering, and the anger I feel at being so poorly served by it all and what do I get? GWADT and MYG using it against me. I said it earlier, there is no winning. It doesn’t matter I did 15 years of therapy, or meditated until I disappeared as a Buddhist or transcended so much of the garbage that was heaped on me, nope so many people in our fucked up society just love to dismiss to dismiss men like me as defective as soon as I don’t play nice guy according to their rules.

    I’m pised off about very specific things. Tell me, you geniuses, was I pissed off yesterday while playing an outdoor, free gig with some doowop guys and laughing and singing my ass of all afternoon? When I was having so much fun that I decided to go their party afterwards (I did think the SunWuGong show would be done by 7 est and that’s when we wrapped the gig)?

    No. You people don’t know me. Let me give you all some advice about how to comment well here. Talk about things you have real knowledge of and about yourself. Your life, your experiences, your journey, your pain, your reality. Notice that those are the comments which really hit home and move you.

    Or do you nimrods want to do rhetorical battle? Bring it, I’ll fucking shred you and burn down this thread and every one you fucking pollute. It’s light work for me, really, and I have chased better than the both of you from this forum. Don’t fucking tempt me. Is that more evidence of what a crappy person I am GWADT? Either way, go suck a bowl of dicks.

  19. @Emily L
    May 18th, 2015 at 1:02 am

    From wikipedia: “The Grand Inquisitor is a parable in Fyodor Dostoyevsky’s novel The Brothers Karamazov (1879–1880). It is told by Ivan, who questions the possibility of a personal and benevolent God, to his brother Alyosha, a novice monk. The Grand Inquisitor is an important part of the novel and one of the best-known passages in modern literature because of its ideas about human nature and freedom, and its fundamental ambiguity.”

    Surely it is one of the best know passages in modern literature. As an author, Dostoyevsky was red pill aware of humans nature (human’s hindbrain). The passage is not about Jesus. It is about the Church and society being handed a noose to hang itself.

    If you want to read Russian literature, Anna Karenina is perhaps one of the best novels ever written. In it,Tolstoy tells a red pill tale. It is a little bit better than The Brother Karamozov for a coherent tale of fiction. I don’t read much fiction these days, but if I were to recommend some, you can’t do much better.

  20. @Dragonfly

    You are in the #4 category of this article, and you prove it when you say

    #4 Crappy people: People who will do you harm, no matter what you do, for no reason at all. They never will get it. They will say and do things to you and they will never ever understand how evil they are.

    Yes, how amazingly scientific of an analysis you have going there. “Crappy People”, fascinating, and we can tell who those people are by what they post anonymously on the internet, because the observer tells us so. How intriguing.

    http://www.quickmeme.com/img/83/8309a3ba26e6286e0124e6219a246ea2581569aba486511afaa58b44ab42feb9.jpg

  21. Thanks, Sun Wukong, for the excellent get together last night. Hope you can edit out my drunkeness toward the end. I was running on fumes from my most excellent weekend in red-pill adventures with guy friends (a gang of men) on Saturday and Sunday and splurged on a bit too much bourbon during the show.

    What a great concept, Sun. And you sure do have a mellifluous voice. For all your past troubles, Sun Wukong, you seem to be, currently, a well put together man. Well done.

    Guys getting together to discuss guy things in the manosphere is certainly a good way to avoid an individual’s insanity.

    BTW, I did have quite a bit of trouble logging on to Teamspeak and did finally have success with using 80.82.64.201. You might need to post a similar login in the future.

  22. “At least InsanityCunt and Liz are real trolls, they don’t pretend to actually give a shit about any of us.”

    Listen Glenn, I’m actually not a cunt, or a troll, and I actually do give a shit. But I’m not going to subject myself to endless abuse. If you ever do feel like having a polite conversation however, I’d welcome that.

  23. lol… the “society that sucks” comment I made before? Pages and pages of “@insanitybytes22” response makes me giggle.

    As if you guys would want a Paris-Hilton-Wannabe-Barbie-Clone brought into your society… sheesh.

    No, she’s exactly the “society that sucks” that I want no part of. No doubt, she lives with the 90% of helpless retards packed into the daycare centers that are our modern “urban centers”.

    And, in this “democracy”, she is also voting. When 90% of the world’s population is hopeless to fulfill their needs without the pass card of money (consumption), and they vote, what about the other 10%?

    Are they to be shamed? Mocked? Marginalized? Of course, because, well, “avoid the unfortunate and unlucky”, right? Anyone who cites law #10, and lives in the city, is truly a hypocrite. Submersion is hardly avoidance, whether you recognize your lifestyle’s most basic flaws, or not.

    For men, urban environments are THE biggest testosterone killer that could possibly be conceived. That social setting, hyper-social actually, is a woman’s venue. “Keep me, protect me, huddle together around me, SAVE me!”

    So, men talk of “packing their bug-out bag” whilst they cope with the helpless womens’ lifestyle and wait in line for their “deal with the suck” drugs that are their anti-depressants. As if “bugging out” when “it goes bad” is some sort of realistic hope. The reality is that the bulk of men’s lifestyles suck, and are self-defeating. “It’s going bad” now, for most men: so, isn’t NOW the time to be bugging out?

    But, no, people come up with a buh-zillion excuses to maintain, cope, stay, keep, protect, or otherwise preserve the status quo that is their crap lifestyle. “I need money, so that I can pay for this, so I can get money, so I can go do ‘that’ or buy stuff.”
    *rolleyes*

    Men have jobs so that they can pay for a car, and insurance, and gas, and maintenance, and fines for anything/everything…

    So they can get more money to pay for all that, AND, food, and shelter, and…

    Sex.

    If all you read above is “way-out there”, consider simply that many modern men work at a job for several hours so that they can have money to pay a woman for sex. Pay for sex.

    And, instead of using the tool that the internet is for packing their heads with useful, freeing information, information that would facilitate a healthy lifestyle change, the bulk of men prefer facebook, bickering with trolls, and porn instead.

    Suck society, indeed. And stuck; stuck sucking, as it were.

    Many miss the most blatant of metaphor of “The Matrix”: the “prison for your mind” is the city society. “Out” is simply “out of the city society”.

    “oh, sure, Vulpine, you only say that ‘cuz you’re ‘ego-invested’.”

    Well, duh, of course. I fixed what needed fixing: I made huge sacrifices to do so, also. I left the realm of “have not/do not” and have and do now, instead. Most guys don’t properly troubleshoot after taking the red pill – they stay stuck on “being good with women”. I dare say that women are no man’s problem, it’s their lifestyle that holds them back the most.

    The peak of human civilization was widely agreed to be the “horticultural society”, just before the “agricultural society”. The difference? The individuals in the horticultural society produced food for themselves. Whereas, in the agricultural society, individuals produced food in surplus to take care of those who were helpless to provide for themselves, thereby shunting “survival of the fittest”, and creating a dependance on money all the while creating conditions for those, who shouldn’t survive, to survive, vote, have jobs, make money, rise to “power”, create religions, etc. The most critically useful information that was ever lost, was lost during that shift.

    The biggest danger of the Red Pill, from where I sit, is that once a man takes it, he’ll still obsess over women, stays focused on women, and endeavors for women endlessly…

    not actually make good changes to his life, just get better with women.

    Nearly 700 responses, the bulk of which are personality measurement discussion and reaction to dimwits… or pop-culture junk.

    Look up the video game “Harvest Moon”. You play this guy, who has a farm, raises some animals, plants crops/feed for the animals, goes fishing, goes gathering/foraging, and even goes into town and socializes – ultimately to get a girl. Such mental masturbation is the norm, the standard, still, one could be out DOING in the real world, instead.

    Consider the widespread hypocrisy in your own lives: the rabbit hole goes much deeper than many are comfortable with. I’ve been embracing paganism lately, and rightfully so:

    Morpheus: “We know that it was US that scorched the sky.”

    Your cherished gym membership? You pay money to move metal weights up and down, up and down, up and down, like so many dick strokes, day after day, so that your “health improves”. Did you ever think of what else you could move around, for free, and have something to show for your efforts? LIke, a rock wall that you build, or, a stack of firewood, or, a garden full or freezer full of food you harvested yourself? Build a house and see if you are “in shape” when you’re done; my bet would be yes – mentally, physically, and financially in ways you’ve never possibly could have been before.

    If you’re going to the gym to get “in shape”, I’m afraid you’ve been deluding yourself: you indulge in the most worthless waste of money and energy ever conceived. Yeah, “everyone does it”, I know, and it’s completely stupid on even the most basic levels. The only thing bodybuilders have to show for their efforts is a big, heavy coffin, when they die. “Red Pill” is not continuing to do stupid/self-defeating shit. And, the bulk of modern lifestyles is jam-packed with stupid/self-defeating shit.

    I’ll leave you with a poem I recently discovered in a book called “The Best Loved Poems of the American People”, copyright 1936:

    (I have time to read! Books, even! It’s like, part of my lifestyle, and shit!)

    MAKING A MAN

    Hurry the baby as fast as you can,
    Hurry him, worry him, make him a man.
    Off with his baby clothes, get him in pants,
    Feed him on brain foods and make him advance.
    Hustle him, soon as he’s able to walk,
    Into a grammar school; cram him with talk.
    Fill his poor head full of figures and facts,
    Keep on a-jamming them in till it cracks.
    Once boys grew up at a rational rate,
    Now we develop a man while you wait,
    Rush him through college, compel him to grab
    Of every known subject a dip and a dab.
    Get him in business and after the cash,
    All by the time he can grow a mustache.
    Let him forget he was ever a boy,
    Make gold his god and it’s jingle his joy.
    Keep him a-hustling and clear out of breath,
    Until he wins–nervous prostration and death.

    -Nixon Waterman

  24. @sjfrellc

    Thanks man, I appreciate you guys showing up. Had a good time too and I’ll try to get a couple edits ready as fast as I can. The first part was great, second part (despite being mostly great discussion) suffered from lack of focus as I thought it might. Just gonna require my leading things a bit better in the future.

    The technical issues with DNS I should be able to fix before the next show, and I’ll make sure to test them thoroughly. Apologies for those hiccups.

    All in all I’m pleased. Might try to post a rough edit of the first half tonight if I can get it done and her the web server up and running quick enough.

  25. @ Sun Wukong

    “You know, that does puzzle me when I’ve run in to it. Almost all the dudes I’ve ever known that were naturals with women bought in to all kinds of crazy woo. Homeopathy, chakras, crystals, all that new agey bullshit. Like if you got them alone and told them “Alright you can stop showing for the ladies and level with me: do you actually buy in to that bullshit?”

    Immediately would become clear that it wasn’t an act. What’s the dynamic that accounts for that being so common? I know the woo wasn’t what did the work for them, but it seemed to be a common side effect of that “natural Alpha” personality.”

    Maybe it’s just the element of magical thinking involved which produces self fulfilling prophecies. In the end, did it really matter if David Bowie wasn’t really a rock star from outer space when he adopted his Ziggy Stardust persona? He as well have been, given the paychecks, fame, groupies, coke, and all the rest of it. If you can fake it till you make it, you may as well fake being Napoleon. Risk taking is probably easier if you legitimately believe you can bend the spoon with your mind.

    It’s also possible that most women are idiots and a lot of natural alphas are only alphas because they’re on women’s stunted level emotionally and psychologically. The natural alpha may be what he is, not because he’s a genius, but quite the opposite. He does what he does because he’s too dumb to know any better. New age flakes are usually that way because, well, they’re dumb. That’s certainly true for women who are into that shit.

    Some guys take risks because they are badasses and know full well what they’re doing, but, let’s face it, others take the same risks because they’re too stupid to know any better.

    I’d hate to say this, but a lot of times I wonder if game isn’t really just a bunch of guys who are too smart and too civilized for their own good. It’s really just about learning to act like a sociopath or a douchebag because this is what women respond to. The only reason this is what they respond to is because they’re emotionally 16 years old for the duration of their adult lives.

  26. @softek,

    You are the man. I took a break from being online, yardwork waits for no man. Love the Hendrix stuff.

  27. @Sam

    I’m planning to put a website up at themantable.net tonight (assuming work doesn’t get in the way tonight by taking too long) and host them there for now. I’ll also eventually put up a link at the web site to listen during live recording for those that don’t want to bother with Teamspeak. Things might be a bit slow to come together with my move coming up and all the prep I’m doing in association with that.

    1. @Sun wukong
      Would love to hear it.

      @all
      I can say NO
      I can say NO
      Fuck yeah
      Getting my team back on the 23
      Fuck yeah

  28. @Insanity – Don’t let the door hit you in the ass. This is a male space and I’ve fucking had it with your bitchy shit. I have no need to be polite to you and you most certainly are a blazing cunt of epic proportions. Your entire blog is like a celebration of cunthood. in fact, and an extreme example of self-indulgent and self-aggrandizing pseudo-intellectual drivel. Really. Get it, you aren’t that smart and your insights aren’t clever or interesting.

    And I’m not abusing you – I’m insulting you. I have no power over you, hence it can’t be abuse. You see, shithead, the key to being abused is that the abuser has to have power over you and misuses it. I’m just dressing you down, probably like should have been done to you a very long time ago. Grow the fuck up if you want to play with the men.

    And don’t dare abuse the term “abuse” again on this thread. I’ve been abused, and what I’m doing to you ain’t it. Fuck off now.

  29. Dostoevsky – The Gambler is another great read, I actually think they story flows the best of any I’ve read of his.

    @Sun – Again, sorry about last night. I do appreciate your efforts but I have to tell you right now that my next tryst with the D (the lifecoaching client, he he) is scheduled for this coming Sunday, and I’m already double booked so please, let’s not do it this Sunday either. I’m taking her shopping at Victoria’s Secret first – her and her natural D cups. I’m not even a breast guy, but wow, when they are natural and still firm and stare up at the moon like puppies, yeah.

    @All the Girls – There is nothing like fucking a 20 year old women. The worst thing about banging older women is that they smell old. It’s like women are a kind of milk that just starts to go sour when they hit 26 or so. No matter how many douches or showers or powders or perfumes, they still have a certain dankness to them. But a 20 year old? Like fresh rain. You girls remember when you didn’t smell kind of sour, right? Your men do…

    @All – This thread has degenerated into a troll-fest and needs to be extrollinated. I do so by escalating and escalating and escalating and being more and more denigrating and rude and disgusting. It’s funny to watch women react “You’re being abusive” lol, go sell that shit on Jezebel, honey. You are not in an FI dominated space here, and we are free of all the guilt you usually are able to induce in men. You don’t like it here, hit the bricks bitches – the rest of the world is a “safe space” for you, but this is not. You are not safe here and in fact nobody will go out of their way to be nice to you or make you feel safe. We don’t care if you feel safe or not as this is a male space and as adult, sentient, responsible human beings we can take some rough back and forth and not descend into hysteria.

    Let’s get it on – I’ve got nothing else I’d rather do tonight.

  30. @Softie – Sounding good on the axe. I’m just a hacker but you are right about Hendrix, he was magic and a thing all of its own.

  31. @Sun

    Really looking forward to listening in. I can’t do Sundays, so it’s the next best thing to being there.

    @Glenn

    You turn it all the way up to 11. Well put. This definitely isn’t a welcoming haven for FI party line dumbassery.

  32. But no need to expunge the trolls. They’re excellent practice. Some are speed bags–and others are the heavy bag.

  33. @Glenn

    Not planning to record more than once a month, so it won’t be any time soon. I’ve got a lot to do between now and June 20 to make moving nice and easy. Fortunately my decision to embrace a more minimalist philosophy about possessions in my life is paying dividends; packing has been much easier this time.

  34. @ Vulpine – I was nodding along with you till you took aim at working out at the gym for us city folk.

    “Your cherished gym membership? You pay money to move metal weights up and down, up and down, up and down, like so many dick strokes, day after day, so that your “health improves”.”

    All that I need to do a proper workout would simply not fit in my place. I also simply could not afford all the equipment. And of course your health improves – how can it not? Show me evidence that going to the gym does not improve your health.

    “Did you ever think of what else you could move around, for free, and have something to show for your efforts? LIke, a rock wall that you build, or, a stack of firewood, or, a garden full or freezer full of food you harvested yourself? Build a house and see if you are “in shape” when you’re done; my bet would be yes – mentally, physically, and financially in ways you’ve never possibly could have been before.

    Yeah, I’ve seen Rocky IV and I get that you can still stay in shape in natures gym. I’d love to be able to build a house, but that would take 4-5 years of technical training and experience to be able to do that without building some sort of house like the Simpsons Ned Flanders had built for him.

    “If you’re going to the gym to get “in shape”, I’m afraid you’ve been deluding yourself: you indulge in the most worthless waste of money and energy ever conceived. Yeah, “everyone does it”, I know, and it’s completely stupid on even the most basic levels. The only thing bodybuilders have to show for their efforts is a big, heavy coffin, when they die. “Red Pill” is not continuing to do stupid/self-defeating shit. And, the bulk of modern lifestyles is jam-packed with stupid/self-defeating shit.”

    Not sure where to start here….

    Why do you keep putting in-shape in italics? Yes, going to the gym keeps you in shape (if you’re consistent and have a plan). And what is so wrong with being in shape? Worthless waste of money? Hardly. I pay $13 a week for 24/7 use. I pay more per week for my cup of coffee in the mornings. Waste of energy? Hardly. It’s putting my energy to good use. If not, it would store as fat and fat is not good for your health. Plus, I get great endorphin rushes and feel mentally great. Working out is a great anti depressant.
    You seem to put the hardcore bodybuilders in with regular guys like me that just want to look and feel good. Just because I go to the gym doesn’t make me a bodybuilder.
    So overall, I can’t for the life of me see how the gym can be self-defeating.

    I like your lifestyle living off the grid, and someday maybe that’s what I’ll do. But for now, I have family, friends, & my business in a city so I can’t build stone walls, houses, chop firewood and plow fields etc to stay fit.

  35. @stuttie

    So overall, I can’t for the life of me see how the gym can be self-defeating.

    Do not feed the trolls.

  36. “Waste of energy? Hardly. It’s putting my energy to good use. If not, it would store as fat and fat is not good for your health.”

    Exercising to burn energy so that it doesn’t go to fat makes about as much sense as driving your car to burn more gas (with a caveat for pre oil injection two stroke SAABs).

    It is far faster, easier and cheaper to spend no effort not putting the energy in your mouth in the first place (converting it to muscle and bone is another story).

    Disclaimer of Bias: I spent three hours doing “cardio” today.

  37. Lift.

    Period.

    Lift whenever you can. As much as you can.

    As long as you can.

    In 20 years, you’ll be glad you did.

    Cardio is good also, but you must lift. Idgaf if you can only lift 25 lbs, lift dat shit!!!! It feels good. It feels even better when you’re in your 50’s like yours truly. I always did manual labor work for the first 25 years of my life. When I got all techy, with desks and chairs and 10-12 hours a day sitting and thinking… the gym became as important as the bathroom. And no, everyone doesn’t have the space or finances to gather all the different equipment that can help you. Hell, for the longest time, I didn’t have room for a bench.

    Do it for yourself. Do it for your bones. Do it for your heart. Do it for your ligaments.

    It feels gooooodddd. Do that shit!!!

  38. @ Blaximus and Glenn

    Thanks a lot guys. I appreciate the feedback.

    @ stuttie

    re: working out

    I’m leaving my manual labor job for the time being to pursue a trade.

    Working out is great. What makes me nervous is NEAT, and I’m concerned about leaving my job because while it has been unreasonably stressful, it does provide me with the bulk of my physical activity. Moving around rugs and furniture and heavy boxes all day long has done a lot of good for me, and I’m not sure what I can do to replace that when I leave.

    Collecting and splitting wood and gardening are some simple ideas. My dad was always extremely handy, like on a professional level, and while that’s great for him, to get any regular manual labor out of that you really have to know what you’re doing. My dad’s very good at masonry and can do everything from plumbing to wiring to laying down tile and carpet and hardwood floors, putting in windows and doors and pretty much anything else, including automotive work.

    The more you know, the more you have available to do. I’ve never seen my dad go a single day in my life without working on some project, whether it was rebuilding an engine or building a stone wall or making an extension for the deck.

    I see this all as separate from working out. This is all “NEAT.”

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12468415

    “Non-exercise activity thermogenesis (NEAT) is the energy expended for everything we do that is not sleeping, eating or sports-like exercise. It ranges from the energy expended walking to work, typing, performing yard work, undertaking agricultural tasks and fidgeting. Even trivial physical activities increase metabolic rate substantially and it is the cumulative impact of a multitude of exothermic actions that culminate in an individual’s daily NEAT.”

    I guess it’s not worth losing sleep over.

    But times have changed and we do have to rely on some ‘unnatural’ methods to maintain our health. Like artifical SAD lights and lifting iron weights instead of going out and hunting animals with a spear.

    It’s just the way things are now.

    Despite my dad knowing how to do all these things, my relationship with him was not good growing up, to say the least, and I never learned how to do the things he knows how to do.

    I want to get into gardening, especially now that I’m into fermenting vegetables. I’ve been making sauerkraut for a while and growing my own cabbage would be cool.

    I’ve gotta work on sitting down less. I’m a total keyboard jockey and my flexibility reflects that. I get movement at work but when I’m home I basically do nothing physical unless I’m working out.

    I seriously feel like I need a ‘vacation’ somewhere. Like a retreat for men, where they can get their feet wet with old-school trades like masonry, learn how to keep a solid garden going, and just learn a bunch of skills.

    Like stuff our fathers would’ve taught us a couple generations ago, or at least when that was more common. I definitely think a retreat is in order these days, ESPECIALLY for men…a place where we can get out of the corporate business suit world, or the dead-end job world, wherever we are…and reconnect with old-fashioned labor that also focuses on skill building and development and providing an opportunity to bond with other men.

    Extended leave of absence from the rat race. Sounds nice. I felt jealous when I read about F.W. Robertson or Thoreau and how they were able to just high-tail it out of society for a couple years and rough it on their own. It’s only very recently in human history that that independence has vanished among men —

    — and it isn’t like it’s completely gone. But a retreat devoted to something like that would be cool.

    I mean hell, they have residential mental hospitals where people stay for months. I’ve been in the mental hospital a number of times and I can pretty much guarantee this other idea I just had would’ve done me WORLDS more of good. Instead of medicating and numbing you into oblivion, build up your confidence and get you coming back into the world with a renewed sense of independence and mastery.

    Just a thought. I know I’m getting way off topic here, but when you think about exercise, yeah, historically it was all skill-based, whether that was hunting or agriculture or building or whatever.

    I have nothing against working out and personally I’m a big fan of gymnastics. But thinking about ‘exercise’ sparked this and man…wouldn’t that be nice.

    Grueling work, sure, and frustrating, sure, but I think men need that in their lives. When fathers don’t spend time with their sons and either don’t have any skills to teach them, or don’t want to take the time to teach them…I think that’s doing boys a disservice.

    I could keep going on, but I like that retreat idea. The time seems ripe for it too in the cultural climate we’re facing today. Hm.

  39. @softek,

    I was just about to log off for the night, then I saw your comment and I had to get back in the game for a minute.

    Listen, A Chair will KILL you. I fell into the trap of sitting down for hours and hours on end, and all I have to show for it is a herniated disc. Do what you can, even if it’s just standing up every 15 minutes, stretching a bit or pacing back and forth a bit. We will see soon what all of this cubicle madness has wrought. Sitting for hours, weeks, months, years… in shitty chairs, tapping on keyboards.

    Stretch yourself young man!! Especially your neck ( be careful ) and back and hamstrings. Tight hammy’s will fuck up your back over time.

  40. “Sitting for hours, weeks, months, years… in shitty chairs . . .”

    What they do to boys in school is abuse.

  41. “Long before Eban was born comics hawked “How to Pick Up Girls” and Feynman had begun investigating game on a somewhat formal basis.”

    – Game was invented by Black men. Even the word itself was first used by them in this context – a very, very long time ago.

  42. “I’d hate to say this, but a lot of times I wonder if game isn’t really just a bunch of guys who are too smart and too civilized for their own good. It’s really just about learning to act like a sociopath or a douchebag because this is what women respond to. The only reason this is what they respond to is because they’re emotionally 16 years old for the duration of their adult lives.”

    – You don’t have to get your sociopath-douchebag on. Just get fit and gain some confidence. At the very least don’t be a depressive drain.

    Get a hobby or learn a skill, even a new language, something that you can accomplish and actually feel confident over. Forget this “irrational confidence” b.s. that some PUA hustler is trying to $ell you. You can have rational confidence based on an actual skill set that you master. That, together with a regular work out routine, preferably outside in fresh air and sun, is often enough to lift men out of their blues/depression if they are not bi-polar or manic.

    An added feature of a skill set is that you also will have something to teach a woman once you do get one. That adds value.

    Most women do NOT employ a dual mating strategy – AF/BB. A woman who fucks an alpha will also end up marrying one and taking his bucks. A woman who fucks a beta will also end up marrying one and taking his bucks. This is how it works way more than 50% of the time. That and millions of women still only have 1 partner their entire life. Its not as common in this country as it used to be, but some are still here. In other countries it is common.

    At any rate the bottom line is you don’t have to be someone you’re not. Be your best, new and improved self. And because all humans desire an attractive mate, be attractive. You don’t have to be a hot stud 10, but you DO have to improve upon whatever you are now.

    Its really this simple.

    1. Most women do NOT employ a dual mating strategy – AF/BB. A woman who fucks an alpha will also end up marrying one and taking his bucks. A woman who fucks a beta will also end up marrying one and taking his bucks. This is how it works way more than 50% of the time. That and millions of women still only have 1 partner their entire life.

      This from the woman who introduced herself by bemoaning the rash of Beta men marrying “Baby-Mommas” in society.

      Please take your JBY sermons back to Aunt Giggles’ Beta Emporium,…oh that’s right, she’s decided no one’s buying what she’s selling either and is finally hanging it up.

      1. @kfg
        You know your rigth

        @Blaximus
        Would love to lift with you. Getting back into it.

        @All
        Self surgery
        One thing I learned today about myself is that I thought I needed to change the world. The red pill must be taught no I think not. I think when you point stuff out maybe at the right time and right place. But I have found a few things about me today that I haven’t gotten used to.

        Saying No

        Admitting my own ways aren’t working. My ego investment is massive and I still think I am denying the fact That my coping mechanism as a child where entirely feminine and that I never really gave myself time to learn “just gets it” or I don’t give a hoot. The respect I tried learning about was mostly from people that where never around me.

        I remember being able to play without thinking than I Remember a few moments that made be hysterically aware of people’s feelings mainly my family.

        I think a huge issue to deal with for me is first realizing that the ego investment was huge and is not has taking a massive toll on my psyche next is realizing that I will have a serious hard time dealing with most hurdles people in this forum have developed ways to deal with.

        I don’t drink alcohol or smoke weed. The only supposedly drum is thinking of sex and masturbation. Sometimes accompanied with porn.

        I realize now that I have always been uncomfortable being in my own skin. The terror and the shame are Immense. Well at 27 that’s interesting. My relationships have mainly been one sided and I have a hard time given my body my “game” myself who I am without using manipulation has alway led me to learn more about the reason why…

        Growing up people seemed to project the ideal of righteousness on me. The surprising notion of me be a human with feelings always seemed to be forgotten. I realize now that a huge issue I have is performance.

        In the last four mouths I have gotten serious negative feedback in person from people who have meet me in person an who I wanted to connect with online via social networking.

        I am starting to realize that I have a hard time dealing with that I closely relates to my upbringing in my youth. Went out to eat today.
        Starting to think cooking while eating with someone is the best way to go.

        Also realize that I never spent time learning how to deal with rejection. I never sat down with it and allowed it to teach me about what I am doing.

        If anything the red pill allows me to say NO. To look at my motives and love myself for not having the answers.

        I look a the deep negativity around me growing up and it becomes remotely evident that I did leave only to have the word “Love” draw me back…

        I would love to grow. I always realize the connection to masturbating over other people having sex was my only realism of some form of human connection growing up.

        It’s very immature but the emotional subject matter was hugely thrashed a me with the conviction and rage of what I than saw from God. That being my creator my farther I one I thought would teach me and not do the opposite.

        I presume to think that it’s ok to function and move on in my life as best I can but the fact that I didn’t act growing up made people’s rage quiet painful to deal with. “Perform for the benefactor” Perform perform
        Ah shit I don’t wanna I wanna rest my head and not whine about it.

        Kaboom!!!!

        At 27 it’s clear that I must. I have to their is no other way out of it.
        “Why do my eyes hurt?”
        Because I never used them…

        Why can’t I get laid? Morality?
        Afraid of women?
        Enjoy my failures and learn the best I can. Enjoy my mistakes and move ahead with grace understand the gift of the color red whether with blood or in a pill form.

        Goodnight sphere

  43. “Most women do NOT employ a dual mating strategy – AF/BB.”

    “This from the man who introduced herself by bemoaning the rash of Beta men marrying “Baby-Mommas” in society.”

    – Right. But the baby daddies aren’t alpha, remember? About 15% of the women in my current immediate social circle are baby mamas with beta providers. These particular cases irk me because of the assumptions these women make. They have an entitled attitude. Like the universe owes them these men.

  44. I realize we’ve probably mostly abandoned thread at this point, but I’d just like to tip the hat to Vulpine here. That was never gonna sit well with people who live an urban lifestyle, and see themselves as winning a physical, mental, and willful battle by keeping their health in the gym.

    But it’s true enough. We have to compromise a lot of what makes us human in order to live a high-civilization, high-status, or high-money lifestyle. I wouldn’t like to make a platonic ideal out of this – clearly, working out in a gym is better than letting yourself turn into a fatass – but it’s always been my intuition to try and do real things as much as possible.

    Fuck treadmills. I make it so I have to use my legs to actually transport me places. Weights? I’d rather split wood. Who cares if there’s snow on the ground, that’s just another piece of the struggle.

    Not for everyone, at every time. But it’s important to realize the compromises your’e making so that you can actually decide what you want to compromise.

    @Divided Line – “I’d hate to say this, but a lot of times I wonder if game isn’t really just a bunch of guys who are too smart and too civilized for their own good. It’s really just about learning to act like a sociopath or a douchebag because this is what women respond to. The only reason this is what they respond to is because they’re emotionally 16 years old for the duration of their adult lives.”

    This is a tempting thought. But I really think it’s an illusion. Game allows men to behave in instinctively attractive fashions more effectively, and intelligence can get in the way of having it naturally. Since intelligent men tend to think through things to much rather than feeling through them.

    You need to learn to get your brain out of the way and experience.

    1. @Vulpine
      Movnat.com
      Check it out or google it
      It’s what I do.

      @Forge the sky
      Thanks for bringing that up.

  45. @sjfrellic – thanks for the Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky recommendations. I’ve read Anna Karenina. Have not read The Gambler. I have some Tolstoy on my to-read list (What is art?), but might add and read/reread AK and the Gambler. It’s interesting to reread some books…from a red pill perspective. Anyway, have a great week and take care all!!

  46. “Fuck treadmills.”

    So far as I can tell their only real function is to fuck up your natural stride while stealing your money.

  47. Sun Wukong
    May 18th, 2015 at 12:33 am

    Well to do audio editing the right way you need an Ampex, and a cutting block. And a very sharp razor blade. And patches. I used to do it that way back in ’62, ’63. We have better ways now. Just look at the waves.

  48. Softek
    May 17th, 2015 at 7:19 pm

    Yes. I have heard of microdosing. I knew a guy (high brain power engineer) who did 50 mikes every day. Needless to say we were very close for him to let me in on his secret.

    I had about 300 bad to very bad trips. And I was a little healthier after each one. When I started having good trips a lot I lost interest. But he work was done.

    I had access to chemists and once took enough to keep me tripped out for 3 days. That was when I was running with an OLaw MC gang.

    You either need a very good guide or an iron will and boat loads of courage. I have some things to do. I’ll continue in a while.

  49. Softek
    May 17th, 2015 at 7:19 pm

    I was never afraid. Anger was my issue. If fear is yours, I would definitely suggest an experienced guide. Do not go alone.

    Tobacco is very prevalent among schizophrenics. You might be a mild case. Look into it.

    There is no such thing as addiction. People in chronic pain chronically take pain relievers. When the pain goes so does the taking.

  50. Oh yeah. The 3 day trip? Probably in the neighborhood of a tenth of a gram. A guy had a gram of powder and was giving people specs. I had him fill the edge of the knife blade. When he would ask, “Enough?” I would say, “More.” Snorted the whole thing. But I was very experienced at that point.

  51. Divided Line
    May 18th, 2015 at 3:19 pm

    But there is real wisdom in some of that New Age stuff. If you can filter it.

    I like Ouspensky
    1. Do not identify
    2. Do not consider
    3. Do not tell lies
    4. Do not express negative emotions

    Gurdjieff and Aleister Crowley. Crowley was quite a trickster. He will head you off in a bad direction if you are so inclined. Or a good direction if you are inclined. I used the banishing ritual he suggests to help me banish my anger. It worked.

    And yes. Most of the people who follow that stuff are idiots. I was lucky to run into some people who understood it. After I had done considerable independent study.

  52. Lone Survivor
    May 18th, 2015 at 8:13 am

    Game is about getting laid. Other than rape, female consent is required. You get female consent by being a dominant male and mostly non-compliant with female requests. Females find a certain level of indifference to them very attractive.

    I was TAUGHT the rudiments of Game in ’62 by my first GF. I read Feynman “Surely You Are Joking…” when it first came out.

    Game may be shit to you. But in my experience it works. Well I’m rather a selfish b’tard and I’m always happy to see Game drop outs and deniers. More pussy for me. You play it right and you can get them two at a time. Which is rather fun. I rather enjoyed my six months with a lesbian and her GF. Which is to say Game even works on females whose main interest is not men.

    I don’t get hostility to Game. You might as well be hostile to the way electricity works.

    As to some men making $$$ off other men’s desire for pussy? Why not? But like everything else in the world if you look around you can get for free (or very low cost) what others are charging mega-bucks for. I wouldn’t patronize the high priced fellers. But I’m not hostile to them either.

    And one other point. Some men want children. For that you need a pussy. And it is best to dominate her to avoid the messiness and expense of breakup.

  53. insanitybytes22
    May 18th, 2015 at 1:18 pm

    “I am not a cunt” – (paraphrased)

    That is right up there with Nixon’s “I am not a crook.”

  54. Dr. Jeremy
    May 14th, 2015 at 12:05 pm

    When I was part of a bad ass crew I was a team leader. So the bit about wanting to be “just part of the crew” is not strictly true for all men. There are corporals, sgts., captains, and generals.

  55. Lone Survivor
    May 14th, 2015 at 4:27 pm

    All I could think of when I saw “Fury Road” in print was “She stopped shaving down there.”

  56. RE: Trauma and willingness to learn

    I read someplace along the way that the reason that cults (especially the crazy ones, like Heaven’s Gate, Scientology, Jim Jones, etc) gain such strong adherents is because, when a person is at a traumatic point in their lives, whenever ANYONE gives them answers to questions that are burning up their soul, that person becomes dependent on the source of that answer to a certain degree.

    If a satanic cult gives you answers that make sense, and you’re susceptible to believing in some incarnation of Satan, then you might find yourself doing…whatever satanists do. If your wife leaves and you find yourself asking a Catholic zealot life questions, and you think there’s a possibility that a god exists, you might find yourself in church on sunday. If logic and reason are your gods of choice, and your blue-pill lifestyle crashes down around you, you just might find yourself googling this strange ‘red pill’ thing.

    I’m just hoping that I haven’t put my faith in a false idol. But then, how would I know? RP provided answers I needed and could believe in when I needed them.

  57. I gave The Rational Male to my brother to read. He’s just like “meh”. He’s the most beta schlub ever. I don’t understand how you could not have any reaction to it. I would understand the negative reaction, but “meh?”

    @Rollo
    I have been toying with the idea of starting a community service adult education class in my town that would go through both books. I don’t know if you can see old comments Rollo, but do you have any comments on this kind of evangelism? If I called it Positive Masculinity would I be violating any trademarks or anything?

    Also, just finished the second book. It very precisely explained the only remaining questions I had. Thanks. Very liberating.

  58. The hardest part about red pill is that it breaks your heart. Good men working hard for families and grinding their spirit away until they are husks, full of anger and shame and not even knowing why. I was that guy.
    I have a friend who broke up with the mother of his child 3 years ago. Still miserable about it. He can’t understand why I am getting on with my life or why she could treat him that way and you see it everywhere.
    You want to help them all, but you can’t especially when you are still remaking your own life.

  59. I just cannot get over just how deep the rabbit hole goes after thinking it over for some time, I had and have the most loving Mother and Grandmother ever…..but when you consider that women instinctively make sure their daughters understand emotional truth reality and freedom from birth, (and power) and we as males are trained in delusion and illusory emotional pursuits for reasons of control for duration of our lives, that is the deepest betrayal possible…..What woman in history every gave a male child the reality of emotional existence with women in their future…..The innate hate towards men even the other half of humanity they give birth to starts at birth….. it represents a built in instinctual hate and dislike of our gender….Men should respond by creating a movement where they are not undereath gays/lesbians who adopt or women in society, we should give them exactly what they want and in turn empower ourselves, equality, bin jobs, army, digging ditches, sewers, heavy industrial labour, 50/50 child care and allemony, 50/50 divorces, 50/50 on decisions about offspring like gays and lesbian families…..not the cherry picked rosy parts of manhood they want to adopt, lets have an equal human race all round if thats what they really want….lets call their bluff

  60. I read this blog and other sources, bought a book, gave it to a guy, I think my bucks was worth that move. This all Red Pill info eases me psychologically – probably natural mind reaction when it sees all pieces of the puzzle.. Anyways its been couple of years and I still feel it is has not sunken in me hundred percent. So I have to come back time to time – just to get it again and that sense of freedom that comes with it. I think its the best gift I have received, started to change my habits. Started to see how much of my ego worth were invested in female mark system that I subconsciously were trying to score. Freeing from it – one of the best feelings. Want to share it with my friends although I find it hard to articulate it in same precise manner as I read it here. Wanted just to give the red book for them – reaction was -Oh I don’t need that shit how to understand women. Like if you try to understand this stuff you are not a real man because you already get it and no real man would need to understand women by the books. I have a friend – who calls me misogynistic while I observed how his GF playfully brushed her nails into him telling she needs to clean a nail polish into him. My best friend 15years old friendship have had quite a aggressive mindset – do not accepting any shit. Now I witness that he is not that sharp have started to doubt himself. Remember arguing with his GF when she told that female dominated relationships is what all men want. And I don’t know how to approach him on that. And what bugs me the most that its only the internet I can went like that.

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