The Dangers of the Red Pill

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I came across an interesting thread on Roosh’s forum recently that linked very well with some experiences I’ve been having over the course of the last few weeks. Eldelwiess was the OP here and he just hints upon a greater whole of the danger of the Red Pill:

It’s a very tough choice to make, yet inevitable. You HAVE to.

But it’s a difficult pill to swallow.

The side effects are really nasty.

Ever since I did it, my life changed to the better, but alas, to the bitter too.

The thing is I now SEE. I’m not blind anymore. But I don’t LIKE what I see.

Because what I see is hypocrisy, degeneration, mediocrity, ignorance and mental slavery.

When you see the world in red pill eyes, you see the ugly reality.
It makes you stop enjoying many things in life.
It makes you find the majority of the people boring, uninteresting and frankly stupid. You pity them.
It makes the bulk of the women unworthy of your time.
It makes you can’t stand your colleagues.
It makes many jokes not funny anymore.
It makes you question everything.
It makes everyone untrustworthy, even your physicians.

It makes you…a better person ! And I love it.

But I understand why the majority of the people ignore the red pill and decide to remain in blue pill slavery and mediocrity. It’s easier. And you get to still enjoy life as you knew it, keep the friends who do the exact same thing, sympathize with your colleagues who complain about long working hours, date the same women who feel entitled to everything, watch the same TV programs which numb your mind and make you lose IQ points, vote for the same politicians who control the strings that make you move…

It’s easier.

Eldelwiess is just coming around to acknowledging The Bitter Taste of the Red Pillbut the inherent danger he’s hinting at here goes a little further beyond the perception of a Red Pill aware man being “bitter”, and into the social dynamics that center on creating and interpreting him being such. The danger in this context is not just a bitter perception, but rather one of personal, professional and familial ostracization for expressing Red Pill truths.

I touched on these liabilities in The Secret of the Red Pill, but this was more from the perspective of women having their Game explained to them and what Red Pill aware men might expect for having confronted them with it. The impact of that may only be the perception of you being a presumptuous asshole by an individual woman, however, there are broader implications and consequences for “living” the Red Pill in a larger social sense.

Wutang from Roosh’s forum:

I actually had a falling out with a group of casual acquaintances when my association with RP was revealed among the group so there is a “danger” with it affecting your social bonds. I put danger in quotes because you really should see it as more of an act of filtering out who you associate with rather then any sort of great harm; the exception being if these are people who you work with or who can put a wrench in you advancing in your goals. If the only real harm is losing a few acquaintances or even friends then you should ask yourself if these are really the sort of people you want to associate with. Do you want to surround yourself with people that are apparently so mentally weak that mere words and difference of opinion can drive them into bouts of wailing and sobbing?

While we promote self-sufficiency and being beholden to no other man or system in our particular subculture we need to keep remembering that no man is an island. The people you associate with are going to determine where you are heading. Surround yourself with people who possess beliefs that lead to perpetual victimhood and you’ll become a victim yourself. Associate with people that can’t stand up for anything except a spineless tolerance that refuses to make any sort of value judgements and make the tough choice of saying ‘A is simply better then B when it comes to accomplishing C” whether A is an idea, an action, or even a type of person and you will soon lose your own spine; being afraid to fight for anything for the fear that it’ll make someone somewhere unhappy.

That said this was still a lesson in knowing when is the right time to drop RP knowledge. Naturally I’m a very open and sharing person when it comes to my beliefs and opinions but after this incident I’ve learned to be a lot more careful. In this case I didn’t really lose much since I was already growing to dislike quite a few of the people in the group but it definitely was a warning – what if this has happened with people who I actually respected and who were in positions and had connections that could either help or hinder me in my personal goals? Be careful out there guys.

I quoted this today because I find myself having to temper and measure my Red Pill evangelism with people I know personally or interact with professionally. I say evangelism because, in spite of any measured explanation, this is what it comes off as to most uninitiated Blue Pill plugins. There’s a degree of diplomatic tact you have to practice the more Red Pill aware a man becomes.

Sometimes that’s tough, especially when you’ve gone through personal changes and development that’s benefitted your life as a result. Red Pill awareness may have even saved a man’s life, so just shutting up about it, or having a hesitancy to help out a fellow man in need of that awareness becomes a real conflict.

In June I’ll have been back in Nevada for two years and in that time I’ve reacquainted myself with old friends I haven’t seen since I left for Florida almost ten years ago. All of them I find in similar (if not identical) states in which I left them. Some of these men are long time close personal friends I’d kept in touch with over the years, but with the exception of maybe one out of a dozen, all are still foundering in the same Beta mindset, lifestyle and behaviors they had ten years ago. All of them still complain of the same Beta-relationship issues they had with their wives (some now ex-wives) they confided in me then.

The Rule

NEO: I can’t go back, can I?

MORPHEUS: No. But if you could, would you really want to?  I feel that I owe you an apology. There is a rule that we do not free a mind once it reaches a certain age. It is dangerous. They have trouble letting go. Their mind turns against them. I’ve seen it happen. I’m sorry. I broke the rule because I had to.

You’ll have to forgive my using the Matrix metaphor, but every time I’m tempted to awaken a man I think may desperately need the truth of Red Pill awareness I’m reminded of this exchange. I understand why this would be a rule. Granted, I’ve broken it myself many times; usually when I think a man is a danger to himself, but I do so with the knowing that I’ll need to invest myself personally in his conditions and that’s where that cautious hesitation comes from.

There are friends I have who I know would outright reject Red Pill truths, but more so their lives would be turned upside down by having to confront those truths. I have a very good friend who’s remarried and living a new life with his second wife, who is still clinging to all of the internalized Beta illusions and behaviors that contributed to his first brutal divorce.

I could make him aware of all the factors that led up to this very painful episode in his life. I could run down the list of how the woman he married early in life followed the time line I put forth in Preventive Medicine to the letter, why his daughters are both following her footsteps and why his son will grow into being a martyred Beta White Knight like himself.

I could also explain all the factors that led to his new wife’s need for him (who by his Beta measures he’s thrilled with), but I ask myself, why destroy that bliss for him? He’s not now, nor likely will be, ready to have any of that explained. My concern is that he’s too far along in life to bear the burden of that truth. He’d have trouble letting go. His mind would turn against him.

If he were to reach that point of desperation again I’d certainly be compelled to reach out to him and offer the Red Pill to him, but as I’ve said in the past, unplugging men from the Matrix is a lot like triage – save the ones you can, read last rites to the dying. But this guy’s not dying and giving him the medicine might be worse than his conditions.

Law 10 – Infection: avoid the unhappy and unlucky.

Though your compassionate, charitable side may compel you to associate with the sad and downtrodden, if power attainment is your goal then avoid such people. Their bad vibe and energy-draining demeanor are too often infectious. You run a very serious risk of falling into line with their misery. Instead spend your time with people who are happy and successful. You can die from someone else’s misery – emotional states are as infectious as disease.

When I quote Law 10 it’s usually in response to a guy dealing with troubled, toxic women dragging them down into the quicksand of their own making. The Savior Schema usually warrants this truth; it’s a want in a belief that a woman will appreciate and reciprocate for a man ready to be the solution to her problems. However, the same can apply for men who attempt to free the minds of other men.

In both volumes of The Rational Male I make a specific effort to address that Rollo Tomassi doesn’t want to be a savior – I want men to be their own saviors because, although I may present Red Pill truths, it’s ultimately a man who needs to be the director of his own life. If the true measure of power is the degree of control a man has over his own life, relying on a savior, relying on how well one conforms to his plan, is really a limit on that power.

As I state in the books, I’m not interested in Tomassi clones, this is why I’m humbled by every man’s story I’m emailed or commented on about how they changed their lives with what I put forth in my writing.

From the Roosh forum again:

The only ‘danger’ the red pill presents is one’s own inability to let go of previous beliefs when confronted with truth. The red pill makes you look in the mirror and come to terms with your own ego and the lies it convinced you of.

“You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.”

Our ego is what we’re ultimately protecting. Most people don’t have an identity beyond their ego, that’s why most of the population can’t handle the red pill. Unless you were born with red pill parents, being raised blue pill and transitioning to red (altering your very reality) will always be traumatic on some level.

I’m of the opinion that trauma and crisis are necessary components to arriving at a point where a man is open to Red Pill awareness. I realize how distorted that sounds. It should be that a rational laying out of Red Pill truths should be self-evident, but it’s important to contrast that hope with the lifetime of feminine-primary conditioning men receive since their infancy.

There will always be people who will never accept even to most base and evident Red Pill fundamental truths. I completely understand Wutang’s premise for wanting to create our own manospherean tribes. We’ve had a good bit of commentary regarding Jack Donovan’s (Way of Men) call for organizing in like-minded collectives of men, and while I agree and find that laudable, I also know that isolation is dangerous.

Even by Law 10 it makes sense to surround oneself with the “happy and successful”; that’s a pretty deductive truth. However, I can’t ignore that many of the most condition-blinded people are also the most happy. I know multi-millionaires who are among the most abject Betas with regard to their intersexual relations.

So I guess what I’m saying is that there needs to be a level of discernment and discretion in this regard. I reach over half a million viewers / readers every month on TRM without advertising, without proselytizing, and men seem to find my works more and more. When the student is ready the teacher will appear – these men are seeking out the Red Pill and I suspect more will as Open Hypergamy and the machinations of the Feminine Imperative become unignorable.

You can’t teach those unwilling to learn – maybe it’s less about being convincing and more about being ready to help when the opportunities arise? That’s not me being magnanimous, that’s me being practical.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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@insanitybytes22

Many men have espoused exactly that and the outright hatred coming from many red pills is unmistakable. Just because some of you may be sane, does not mean there are not quite a few men advocating outright red pill revenge. That is not my guilt speaking, that is the truth!

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@Jeremy

She still on about “some guys do bad shit with TRP”?

I guess we’re supposed to completely ignore all the bad shit the vast majority of women do to guys that don’t take TRP. After all, that would be acting in our own interests instead of exclusively theirs. We can’t have that.

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Well, of course Sun, if any bad exists with men, then it’s too frightening to be allowed to continue. Men must be “controlled” for the good of everyone, and she’s just righteous enough to do it, trust her.

Insanity has an unnatural fear of men. She fears men, therefore she must at the very least socially control men, if not physically control them. Women who behave badly? They’re hardly worth her time.

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What is so enlightening, or would be if it wasn’t so damn predictable, is the fact that all she shows concern for is herself and women. the suffering of men means nothing, what she wants is for men to go along the way she wants them to so that she can feel safe. so she ends up doing exactly what TRP says she would. Funnier still is the fact that it’s that very cold hearted carelessness towards men that is the real source of rage in men. Hypergamy is just the lay of the land, men can even understand it… Read more »

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Truly a great story, thanks for writing. A little off-topic here, but I took one sentence from the article that changing one’s thinking may save a life. I’ve come to believe that Blue Pill/AFC thinking truly can be a killer. So many episodes of murder/suicides across this country of (usually) a man blowing his family away and then himself because of a divorce or breakup. A prime example: A couple of months ago outside of Portland, a guy led police on a 100 MPH chase with his wife and infant daughter in the car. He rolled the car — amazingly,… Read more »

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@WestCoaster

How many unexplained murder-suicides have occurred in the U.S. in the last 20 years?

How many of those might be explained with paternity testing on the kids?

Men don’t take kindly to finding out they were cuckolded after years of slaving away at jobs they don’t like.

Cuckolding should be a crime equal to rape (i.e., near capital).

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@ Blaximus If it weren’t for anonymity issues I’d put a pic up here of the Strat I built a year or two ago from a raw ash Mighty Mite body and maple neck (and also link to my main YouTube channel where I have a bunch of other stuff up). I did a black grain fill, transparent purple nitro finish, black pickguard with reverse stagger for the bridge pickup (Hendrix inspired — was my first and remains my biggest influence), Kluson tuners, and I did a compound radius on the board before re-fretting it. Cut a nice bone nut… Read more »

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So many awesome blues guitar players now gone. BB, Hendrix, Gary Moore, SRV, Jeff Healey, Rory Gallagher, Roy Buchanan, Johnny Winter. Just to name a few. Playing guitar is a great alpha hobby. Rock stars deserve to drown in top shelf pussy as far as I’m concerned. I was only thinking the other day about my ‘guitarist past’ in many ways. My ex knew I was a guitar player when we met. But one of the first things she insisted upon when we got married was me giving up my band to ‘get a real job’ to support her. I… Read more »

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@ stuttie

Playing guitar is a great alpha hobby. Rock stars deserve to drown in top shelf pussy as far as I’m concerned.
http://cdn.blogs.sheknows.com/celebrityphotos.sheknows.com/2010/12/bono-ali-hewson.jpg

Bono’s wife is in her 50s and for a fairly old woman she still looks great. He doesn’t have to dance like a monkey to get sex and the last thing on his mind is women. He spends his time doing anything he wants. Assuming they don’t get divorced tomorrow that’s what winning looks like to me.

BTW you must be a millionaire if you own a home in Sydney, hehe.

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^^^
I think they’ve been together since they were teenagers.

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A band is like a gang in many ways. I’m in a 4 piece all male rock blues thing and it’s exactly where I want to be now. All the best bands are usually a group of guys. It’s a big ‘fuck you’ to the establishment and social norms. Which in itself is very red pill. I think that’s why I was always attracted to and gravitated towards being in bands from an early age (and still am). Being a guy on the fringe of society; not playing by societies rules. That’s why I say rock stars deserve to drown… Read more »

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@Rugby – What do you propose GWADT and I speak about? Her NAWALTNESS? GWADT – Funny how you’ve turned all that I’ve written to you here into “hate”. I’ve actually explicitly said that I’m sure I would like you if we met in the real world. What I’ve asked is that women show their respect for men here by actually allowing it to be a male space. I’ve also criticized you harshly and subjected you to unfavorable analyses, boo hoo. And I don’t care that you care. You see I already know you can turn on me at any moment… Read more »

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@Glenn Not that you don’t already know this, but GWADT, Insanity and others have only ever been taught to fear men. They’ve only been taught fear their entire lives, it is almost all they know of men. It’s so pervasive, you end up with Disney movies like “Frozen” where nearly every single male character (certainly all the important ones) in the film is some kind of criminal, and no one bats an eye. To their mind, we’re the scorpion. Their perception of how men might hurt them is so ingrained and ever-present, you get comments like these: Men are scary,… Read more »

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I agree with the central idea of the post; teach what you can about positive masculinity to those who want to learn, get over the reluctant bitterness and push through to positivity, teach mostly through action and don’t push anyone towards RP who truly isn’t ready for it. Take me; I would never have believed any of this before hitting my own rock bottom. It would have been wasted on me. And I really think unless you start seeing the cracks in your own life, or feel in you gut that something’s deeply wrong in your relationships, the RP just… Read more »

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@Sun

Looks like I may miss this week. I sorta knew that would happen as I’m currently out of town and my work schedule is quite fluid and out of my own control.

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@ Jeremy How many Beta guys would do violent things like that? If you pushed them far enough, maybe, but my estimate would be that the vast, VAST majority would never and will never do anything even remotely like that. Women select for guys that are more prone to being extremely violent. It doesn’t give guys the “right” to be violent with women. It just so happens that a gang member or gang leader is a lot more likely to be extremely abusive than the less interesting Beta male working a 9-5 job and is a good provider. I live… Read more »

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@Softek

I wasn’t debating what people are, or their right to react violently. I was pointing out that modern women understand the roots of male violence about as well as they understand their own orgasm. They’re taught lies about it, and convinced they understand it, but they don’t really get it until they provoke the reaction. What’s more, they don’t understand how their own behaviors are part of the cause of it.

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@ Jeremy I agree with you. I was making more of a tangential point about a common feminist argument, which is that men think they have a ‘right’ to objectify women, or even abuse them, when the whole concept of having a ‘right’ doesn’t factor into it at all, as they’re completely ignoring biological realities that are what they are regardless of what we think they should be. They’ll never take accountability for their behaviors; if the Beta husband got pissed off that she was having an affair with an Alpha, they’ll twist it somehow into being the Beta husband’s… Read more »

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@Softek “and unfortunately women are more viscerally attracted to guys that have a serious propensity for violence.” I have lived with those words being burned in me with a silence in my head for a huge portion of my life…. To exposed that in modern conversation usually go me arrested. @Glenn Never mind her you are you and I have no damn rigth to project anything on you. My apology I was wrong in bringing that up. As for your story it’s weird I had the same incident on my bike. I would do a 7 mile ride and one… Read more »

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@ Jeremy

I had a long comment written out about cheating and marriage and violence and all that. I think this sums up my take, more or less:

“I used to say a married woman
Was the sweetest woman ever born
But I changed that thing,
You better let married women alone

Take my advice, let these married women be
‘Cause their husband’ll grab you
And beat you ragged as a cedar tree”

~Blind Willie McTell

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I don’t think cheating justifies murder or assault.

Again, I was not justifying violence in response to female behavior. I was, however, pointing out that if the provocation can somehow be justified then the response to the provocation did not spring from a vacuum. We live in a macro world of causality, cause and effect both exist. You can’t simply point at someone and say “Look! Look! There’s an effect without cause! Punish him!” Modern women are hell bent on pretending that male violence has nothing to do with them, while lecturing men on their supposed inherent violence.

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@Jeremy “What’s more, they don’t understand how their own behaviors are part of the cause of it.” That is being redpill awareness in the health define way of being a positive being. @Softek “The violence thing is a tough one for me. Women antagonize men and provoke them to act out violently — but no matter how unfair it is, if you do act out, you’re gonna get raked over the coals.” Breath… Just fucking breath and get the fuck on the field… Yeah thank you bringing that up. Every time the white knight in me would step to to… Read more »

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@ Jeremy I agree completely, I just wonder if trying to make that point is a lost cause. I’ve lived with the frustration of being accused of my behaviors springing from a vacuum. As if my upbringing and environment have had nothing at all to do with the problem behaviors I’ve had. I’m not using it as an excuse — but the people that criticize me and try to hold my solely accountable for everything make it seem like I’m using it as an excuse. Making excuses for myself, instead of what I’m actually doing, which is trying to argue… Read more »

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@Jeremy What’s really fun is when it comes from both men and women. I was an incredibly angry kid, teenager, and young adult. Like furiously angry almost all the time. I had two parents who routinely expressed themselves to me and each other through screaming and hitting. I had teachers who actually made fun of me for being on Ritalin. I was in constant fights with bullies because I was small until I was a teen but unwilling to back down. When I finally started noticing girls, they turned me down in the most cruel, publicly derisive ways they could.… Read more »

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@ rugby I have a mean streak. It haunted me for years that when I was a kid growing up I took a lot of pleasure in torturing bugs. A couple times I abused animals and took an extreme amount of pleasure in it. Also bullied some kids. I was bullied myself. And the things I did were all what were done to me: I got this almost orgasmic sadistic pleasure out of restraining people and scaring the shit out of them. Trapping things, making them feel helpless and seeing the fear on their face. It was exactly what happened… Read more »

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@Softek

“And I believe a part of why it keeps coming up is because no one ever acknowledged the abuse I went through.”

Trauma male hate choice love family disaster…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jBlTkiUR4uI

This whole clip explains my household and the economics of self destruction.

Going for a walk it’s all to much.

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“As published today, the researchers found that not only did the women who were rejected derogate (disparage) those men but they also rejected the unattractive men, even if they offered acceptance.” This is exactly as it should be. Nobody should string someone they find unattractive along just so they can say “I have a boyfriend”. Its not fair, not just, not ethical. You couldn’t pay me a billion dollars to relationship up a woman clearly not attracted to me, and vice versa. Women change fast when an attractive man comes on the scene. 7 years ago I worked in a… Read more »

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As for anger, yeah, god forbid a man be angry- ever. It’s in the best interest of everyone who wants to control men to stigmatize mens anger- govt, women, big business etc don’t want you to ever be angry. And in a way, they are right. when men get angry, men take action and that’s when things change- not necessarily through violence, but it’s when men get angry that men stop being pliable. It’s the first step to men saying “stop”. When men get angry they change laws, they stop giving and start asking “whats in it for me?”, they… Read more »

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@Sun- I’ve downloaded the teamspeak software, let me know what server we’re using, etc to log on. You said around 4pm central?

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Adam Man May 16th, 2015 at 12:22 am Rollo, have you seen this: http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/living/lisa-ling-sugar-baby-essay/ Just saw it on CNN. A memorable quote is when the host asked what these young women are seeking. This young blonde said she’s seeking a mentor, getting $4000/month. She said I’m not going to take $300 just to have sex, I’m not a prostitute. Why is it that women can just rationalize this so easily? She is a college graduate, at least a 6 or 7 in looks, seems fairly intelligent, and yet $4000 is mentorship b/c it pays the bills/school and $300 is prostitution?… Read more »

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RE: Violence and anger.

Anger is a useless emotion…the perception of being treated unfairly.

Violence (and it’s many, many forms) are the ultimate problem solver.

Learn to wield the latter without the former, and it’s your world that everyone is merely stepping through.

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Re: Violence – I’ll bet a thousand dollars that Insanity and Liz do not want understand that they live in relative security due to the fact that so many men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. Every one you ignorant loudmouth bitches do violence or are prepared to do violence by proxy at all times. You live in such a cosseted and delusional solipsism that you have convinced yourselves a pacifists existence is even possible in this world while 800,000 police and 2.5 million mostly men in arms stand sentry, sheepdogs guarding the flock while you sneer at… Read more »

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@Sun – Dude I thought we were doing the team speak at 7 or 8 eastern. I’m playin a gig at 5 and was just going to make it as at 7. Very sorry about the crossed wires. Ill try to join when I can.

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@Agent P: Ian’s The Red Pill Room is on our sidebar over at /r/marriedredpill where you are safe from Jennifer’s entitled harpies.

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BONO – He’s been with the same woman since his teens. Good for them! I’m 99% sure both of them have not been sexually monogamous. Him, because obviously he’s a rock star and her because obviously she’s the attractive wife of a rock star. Both have lived their lives surrounded by sexually attractive men and women in the entertainment business where sex has always been open and experimental. Nevertheless they are emotionally committed to one another and stayed together raising a family. This is what marriage is about. Infidelity is no excuse for divorce. Couples need to have an “understanding”… Read more »

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@Sotftek: Fucking epic and righteous bro. Thanks for that. Somebody needs to compose a “Trolls of the Manosphere” book with all the great trolls: FMY and now Insanity. With some of the epic responses to the trolls we have had on Rational Male, Dalrock and other places, I think the book would fill out in no time. Of course GBFM would have his own chapter. Take insanity: She can’t even acknowledge men’s pain, only women and only herself thus exemplifying solipsism and female entitlement. She raises all the classic straw men and when that doesn’t work she starts shaming. AWALT… Read more »

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Sun Wukong
May 14th, 2015 at 12:52 pm

Well. I took a different route to destroying who I was. And over all – despite the extreme pain – I rather enjoyed it.

It helped that I started early. Age 18. But the transformation was not complete until I was about 30.

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Blaximus
May 16th, 2015 at 10:12 pm

It is an interesting age when the people you once knew start dying off.

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Jeremy
May 16th, 2015 at 11:07 pm

Add into the mix that the induction of fear makes men attractive to her. AWALT.

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Mad Yale Grad
May 17th, 2015 at 1:59 pm

Women are tolerable when they are competing with each other.

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Server is themantable.net with no password. Please use the same handle as you use on here. I’m connected right now, but not at my computer as I’m finishing up some stuff around the house. I’ll be on soon.

@Glenn

Doh! Ah well, it’ll work out. I’ll try to get a web page with scheduled times up and running this week to help everyone in the future.

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We’ll probably wind up running a bit long since I’m expecting technical difficulties and such for a first real session. I’m just trying for 4-6 to avoid interfering too much with lunch on the west or dinner on the east coast.

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Softek May 17th, 2015 at 12:59 pm It is too bad LSD therapy is out of vogue. The trauma is incredible. The release beyond belief. You either need an extremely good therapist or determination that borders on the impossible. Since I trusted no one the only choice was to find that determination in myself. Maybe I always had it. I no longer (nor have I had for 40 years) any interest in repeating what was done to me. Although I’m perfectly capable of it and can adopt it as a skin if it seems useful. You might find the R.… Read more »

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Tech difficulties indeed.. keep getting an error message when I try to connect. I’m trying to figure it out..

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Softek May 16th, 2015 at 11:27 pm You should study coil winding technology from the 20s and 30s. There is a lot more to it than just adding turns. Once you get an understanding (L/C ratios – maximum inductance etc) you might want to build a mechanical coil winder – I’d do it electronic these days. Then play around until you find a design that suits you. I’m into electronics/software and lightly into mechanics so I may be able to help. You can contact me at: http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/ my e-mail is on the sidebar. The L/C stuff is important because it… Read more »

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May 16th, 2015 at 11:27 pm

Voodoo Child – Slight Return was always a favorite of mine.

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“May 17th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
We’ll probably wind up running a bit long since I’m expecting technical difficulties and such for a first real session. I’m just trying for 4-6 to avoid interfering too much with lunch on the west or dinner on the east coast.”

Ouch. I can’t log in with themantable.net
Failed to resolve hostname ‘themantable.net’

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May 17th, 2015 at 12:21 am

I used to be a harmonica player. Because you could carry it in your pocket. Practice anywhere. It did help me get pussy from time to time. I gave it up to do electronics. A decision I’m quite satisfied with. Happy in fact.

Girls do get nuts over musicians don’t they?

I used to like to play along with Mayall’s “Room To Move”. I could do that perfect. And on a good day embellish it. The girls would swoon.

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@sjfrellc

Alternatively, you can see if neo.themantable.net works, and if not then try 80.82.64.201.

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May 17th, 2015 at 3:48 pm

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Women are tolerable when they are competing with each other.
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Yup. And they’ll only compete for attractive men. So if we want to increase the local eye candy quotient, we know what to do.

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My experience – neo.themantable.net works, the others don’t

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Regarding AmRen. Perhaps the creator/admin is not a bigot or racist but there sure are very vocal bigots and racists associated with it. We are known by the company we keep or the weirdos who gravitate toward us. Obama came under fire for attending some sermons of a black supremacist liberation theologian. Ron Paul came under fire for having a bigot write some racist articles in his newsletter that he later personally disavowed saying he didn’t write it, someone else did. HIs son Rand Paul is currently coming under fire for something similar. The Manosphere comes under fire for allowing… Read more »

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May 17th, 2015 at 5:26 pm

Richard Feynman invented Game to sell books? As if a Nobel Prize wasn’t enough? As if teaching Physics wasn’t enough? Seriously?

BTW his advice on Game is spot on. “Show no respect to women.’

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May 17th, 2015 at 5:54 pm

The place where I blog has a strict policy of not deleting comments. I like that. Idiots? Of course. Racists. No doubt. Haters. We get them.

But the Free Speech is worth it.

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M. Simon, you’re also not a politician. Free Speech is worth it. And along with it comes Free Speech about the Free Speech. And that’s also worth it. The problem with Obama, the Pauls, the Manosphere etc is instead of manning up and owning it, they backtrack “I had no idea a racist was writing for me. Never even saw the article” etc. For once I’d like to see one of the above say, “Yeah, I’m associated with bigots. If that costs me an election, a career, the moral high ground or the cultural narrative, so be it. I’m willing… Read more »

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Blaximus, “And I have huge issues with females trying to establish any kind of guidelines concerning acceptable behavior for men.”

I have huge issues with women not having guidelines and standards. I will absolutely not invest in a woman who has a problematic history of dating low quality men, losers, assholes, thugs, etc. If her dating history consists of stable, solid men then she has a much higher chance of being low drama herself.

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Crossphased, “Had a thought: seems like a lot of the problems men and women have with each other is because of men’s desire to see their women as matriarchal and women’s desire not to see their men as patriarchal. At least the blue pill men have this desire, I know I have been that guy. Now that I see that’s the way I was operating, whenever that feeling of putting her as my mental origin comes into mind I have this hatred for that weakness in myself. Did anyone else go through that stage of unplugging?” Vasopressin, dopamine, and other… Read more »

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“I just waited in line at McDonald’s today while the cashier girl was hitting on Chuck TatMan with his Jordans and hat on backwards. After he already placed his order. “Oh I love your tats.” Lifting up his shirt and showing her this one and that one and she’s swooning over it, and he’s asking her if she has any, and they’re going back and forth, back and forth. She apologized and asked me what I wanted about a second before I was about to say, “Excuse me, but can I please have some fucking sugar packets for my coffee?”… Read more »

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@ M Simon Do you know Mayall’s version of “The Stumble” with Peter Green? I like playing that one a lot. Voodoo Child’s one of my favorites too. He was on fire during the Woodstock version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvfQ4WPQdlk Hopkins recently did that study on psilocybin. I’ve been trying to find some mushrooms but no luck yet. Huge positive changes. Although with my history and panic/anxiety disorder I’ve been hesitant. I completely believe in the power of psychedelics to heal, and especially with mushrooms that people have been using for thousands of years. The first time I smoked weed was awful. It… Read more »

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Softek, please find a Theravada Buddhist center near you and learn how to meditate according to their specific techniques. They really can help with all sorts of mental disorders.

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It’s trolly out tonight: 1:59, 2:52, 3:06, 3:30, 3:35, 3;38, 3:48, 4:08, 4:14, 4:31, 4:39, 5:12, 5:12, 5:54, 5:58, 6:03, 6:27, 6:41, 6;58, 7:13……..but they’re feeding on each other, and that’s an improvement. Thanks!

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@ MYG No, there’s not. The sugar packets are behind the counter. Salt and pepper are up for grabs. Not the sugar. You have to ask for it if you want extras. Different places are different. Some of them I’ve been at, the fountain drinks are all behind the counter too. Ignoring customers is rude. I would feel uncomfortable is a cashier girl was flirting with me while there were people waiting in line behind me. You just don’t do that. It doesn’t matter who it is. If there was no one around, that would be different. But when you’ve… Read more »

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Glenn, “Rugby – I cried reading your comments. I could relate to so much of it. My life was half dominated by women. You see after my mom died at age 11, my 2 older bros had just gone on to college. Up till then there were 4 boys and my mom and big sister – and my mom didn’t run the house. The newborn who my Mom passed giving birth two was a girl. My Dad marries stepmom 15 months later – cuz he knocked her up just like my mom (and he knocked my mom up again accidentally… Read more »

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@Glenn,

Ya gonna get in here? We’re still going.

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Shit I didn’t see that! You guys still on? Its after 8 here.

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Christ, I’ve got a lot of editing ahead of me. I need to be a lot stricter about the clock next time.

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@ Lone Survivor

Tried the Red Pill? Want to try the Black Pill?

http://www.troll.me/images/angry-samuel-l-jackson/aw-shit.jpg

I know who Eben Pagan is from your link. That guy is a con-artist piece of shit.

I had no idea he started the concept of “game”. I had no idea those syndicate shit heads worked together to fleece guys on the man-o-sphere with phony advice about women. I thought they were still busy selling vitamins.

Suddenly I get it. Fuck everything.

Folks look out for yourself because there is always someone willing to earn a tidy profit by telling you what they know you want to hear.

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Evidently David DeAngelo is one of the (probably many) names that Eben Pagan sells products under.

David DeAngelo Is A Scam. Here’s Why.

The secret strategy, worth $20-$300 + $20 a month? Be “cocky and funny.” And “don’t be a wimpy nice guy.”

Um, ok? This is like telling someone who wants to become a master chef to “not burn the food.” The David DeAngelo products harp on this single point – don’t be a nice wimp – as well as the point that it’s a numbers game, meet a lot of women.

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@Softek,

RE; the trolls at 7:26, 7:47, 8:17 and prior thereto: When the cats’ away the trolls will play.

Re: 8:17 specifically, I don’t think you are invited, but maybe you should scroll back and verify….memory and all that……

Softie, You write too coherently to be as disturbed as you think you are. It is necessary to get it out I know, and you should keep talking, but the drugs,…I don’t think so.

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@Rollo

I’m curious what the intended ‘takeaway’ is from this nugget of conjecture:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/05/15/sorry_evolutionary_psychology_buffs_a_new_paper_suggests_that_our_caveman.html?wpsrc=fol_tw

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The temptation is to posit that under necessitous, raw socialistic conditions, humans are more egalitarian, but under capitalism/oligarchy–more patriarchal. But that seems too simplistic.

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@M simon “I used to be a harmonica player. Because you could carry it in your pocket. ” I really miss mine @Sun wukong Hey went out to help some men tonight in person. How did it go? I found a computer and tried logging on but it didn’t work. @MYG You know my mother creating the environment for the violence but making a point of her emotional demands whixh usualy ended in violence directed at me not her. That is why me a Glenn can connect that way because women have and will use their presence to intiate violence… Read more »

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@ Longgone Yeah, I agree. I’ve had good results with oneirogens (dream enhancing substances). it’s the safest ‘drug’ to take for the purposes of experiencing altered states of consciousness. Endogenous production of DMT has fascinated me for a very long time. I think it’s still unknown what its function is, and if it’s involved at all with dreaming. It would make sense that it would be. Lucid dreaming is definitely very cool. And very interesting. It also helps that oneirogens are mostly legal, and your body produces chemicals to paralyze itself while you sleep so it’s not likely that you’re… Read more »

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I approached more people than ever today and just got my team up and running. The red pill is healing the fuck out of me and I just got a Siberian to help with my front end. Holy hell I am changing my old habits and not as sad I am gaining weight and I and not interested in appeasing anybody. This new stuff is freaking me out in a good way. Going to out and hit up a better since of fashion. With gratitude Rugby By the way Sun I really wante to make it but it’s Been to… Read more »

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@ Sun Wukong

Lol, I’ve spent a good decade editing seminar videos as a sideline. Nothing like being balls deep into a 6-hour editing grind to teach you discipline.

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@Forge

I did TV productions in high school, though the editing was non-linear at the time. Still, edits are pretty easy when you’ve got video to look at. Audio only though? This’ll take some time…

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No, Glenn, it’s hatred dripping underneath everything that you post. You are in the #4 category of this article, and you prove it when you say that you “don’t care that you care,” = I don’t care if I hurt you. You fit the definition to a T.

http://observer.com/2015/05/how-to-deal-with-crappy-people/

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BTW, I know at some point I was talking about male fights vs. female fights and mentioned a clip from Baseketball that summed up how male fights end:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-xTK624mb2h4bb/baseketball_1998_squeak_has_a_better_chance/

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@sjfrellic: whoa…Doestoyevsky? I’ll add The Brothers Karamazov to my reading list bc I may need some more context…HOWEVER, if the implication is that Christ (God, Jesus, et al) is red pill, then I am totally down with that! What makes people comfortable isn’t what’s always best. Ironic how the christian church doesn’t seem to operate that way. Christianity relies on the word of God as truth, and those who don’t believe or obey the word of God (w. forgiveness of sins etc built in, of course), will end up in hell. Christianity is clear on its “rules” (e.g., 10 commandments,… Read more »

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…do you think the word of God/Christ/ is more red or blue pill?

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@The Diplomat “The scientists collected genealogical data from two hunter-gatherer populations, one in the Congo and one in the Philippines,” the Guardian reports, “including kinship relations, movement between camps and residence patterns, through hundreds of interviews.” In more sexist societies, “tight hubs of related individuals emerged” as men try to amass as much power and influence as possible through their own families. More egalitatarian societies, however, spread out a lot more, as women have more control over how they live and who they sleep with. “When only men have influence over who they are living with, the core of any… Read more »

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Zdoidz, “I know who Eben Pagan is from your link. That guy is a con-artist piece of shit. I had no idea he started the concept of “game”. I had no idea those syndicate shit heads worked together to fleece guys on the man-o-sphere with phony advice about women. I thought they were still busy selling vitamins. Suddenly I get it. Fuck everything. Folks look out for yourself because there is always someone willing to earn a tidy profit by telling you what they know you want to hear.” – That’s ooooolllllllddddd, old news brah. Like at least a decade.… Read more »

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“I’ve had good results with oneirogens (dream enhancing substances). it’s the safest ‘drug’ to take for the purposes of experiencing altered states of consciousness. Endogenous production of DMT has fascinated me for a very long time. I think it’s still unknown what its function is, and if it’s involved at all with dreaming. It would make sense that it would be. Lucid dreaming is definitely very cool. And very interesting. It also helps that oneirogens are mostly legal, and your body produces chemicals to paralyze itself while you sleep so it’s not likely that you’re going to get up and… Read more »

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“You are in the #4 category of this article . . .”

Ironically, the author of the article proves that he is #4 in the process of describing #4. Quite the nasty little piece of work that I wouldn’t take social advice from.

“I had no idea he started the concept of “game””

Because he didn’t do anything of the kind. Long before Eban was born comics hawked “How to Pick Up Girls” and Feynman had begun investigating game on a somewhat formal basis.

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@M Simon Richard Feynman invented Game to sell books? As if a Nobel Prize wasn’t enough? As if teaching Physics wasn’t enough? Seriously? I hardly doubt it: 1. Feynman is mentioned by one of the commenters of the blog in an ambiguous and blurry manner. Such commenter says “Feynman SHOULD be investigated”. 2. The book mentioned by the commenter tells Feynman stories outside science, it is some sort of autobiography with no clear reference to “game”. The TRUE spot on is that “game” is utter shit. PUA is a predatory market where PUAs are constantly stealing customers from each other… Read more »

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@MYG – Don’t start taking cheap shots at my expense here motherfucker. Your dime store psychological take on so many matters merely reveals what an impotent douche you are. Try talking about yourself for once instead of presuming that your blather is revelatory for us. It’s not, you are a cunt, just like Insanity. I bet you get punched in the face a lot. You certainly would if you hung around me and ran your fucking yap like you do here. So sad, the best part of you apparently ran down your mom’s leg. Did you even have a dad?… Read more »

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GWADT – Funny how you know me better than I do. Nothing new there of course, moronic bitches have been telling me who I am and how I feel for most of my life. It’s only recently that I’ve been telling them what I actually think of them. I didn’t click through to your insipid link, I have too much dignity to do so. I don’t hate you, GWADT, you just detect anger from me, and here I can express anger and not be shamed for it. I don’t invest any energy in you at all actually, beyond the words… Read more »

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@Emily L May 18th, 2015 at 1:02 am From wikipedia: “The Grand Inquisitor is a parable in Fyodor Dostoyevsky’s novel The Brothers Karamazov (1879–1880). It is told by Ivan, who questions the possibility of a personal and benevolent God, to his brother Alyosha, a novice monk. The Grand Inquisitor is an important part of the novel and one of the best-known passages in modern literature because of its ideas about human nature and freedom, and its fundamental ambiguity.” Surely it is one of the best know passages in modern literature. As an author, Dostoyevsky was red pill aware of humans… Read more »

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@Dragonfly

You are in the #4 category of this article, and you prove it when you say

#4 Crappy people: People who will do you harm, no matter what you do, for no reason at all. They never will get it. They will say and do things to you and they will never ever understand how evil they are.

Yes, how amazingly scientific of an analysis you have going there. “Crappy People”, fascinating, and we can tell who those people are by what they post anonymously on the internet, because the observer tells us so. How intriguing.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/83/8309a3ba26e6286e0124e6219a246ea2581569aba486511afaa58b44ab42feb9.jpg

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Thanks, Sun Wukong, for the excellent get together last night. Hope you can edit out my drunkeness toward the end. I was running on fumes from my most excellent weekend in red-pill adventures with guy friends (a gang of men) on Saturday and Sunday and splurged on a bit too much bourbon during the show. What a great concept, Sun. And you sure do have a mellifluous voice. For all your past troubles, Sun Wukong, you seem to be, currently, a well put together man. Well done. Guys getting together to discuss guy things in the manosphere is certainly a… Read more »

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“At least InsanityCunt and Liz are real trolls, they don’t pretend to actually give a shit about any of us.”

Listen Glenn, I’m actually not a cunt, or a troll, and I actually do give a shit. But I’m not going to subject myself to endless abuse. If you ever do feel like having a polite conversation however, I’d welcome that.

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lol… the “society that sucks” comment I made before? Pages and pages of “@insanitybytes22” response makes me giggle. As if you guys would want a Paris-Hilton-Wannabe-Barbie-Clone brought into your society… sheesh. No, she’s exactly the “society that sucks” that I want no part of. No doubt, she lives with the 90% of helpless retards packed into the daycare centers that are our modern “urban centers”. And, in this “democracy”, she is also voting. When 90% of the world’s population is hopeless to fulfill their needs without the pass card of money (consumption), and they vote, what about the other 10%?… Read more »

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@sjfrellc Thanks man, I appreciate you guys showing up. Had a good time too and I’ll try to get a couple edits ready as fast as I can. The first part was great, second part (despite being mostly great discussion) suffered from lack of focus as I thought it might. Just gonna require my leading things a bit better in the future. The technical issues with DNS I should be able to fix before the next show, and I’ll make sure to test them thoroughly. Apologies for those hiccups. All in all I’m pleased. Might try to post a rough… Read more »

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@ Sun Wukong “You know, that does puzzle me when I’ve run in to it. Almost all the dudes I’ve ever known that were naturals with women bought in to all kinds of crazy woo. Homeopathy, chakras, crystals, all that new agey bullshit. Like if you got them alone and told them “Alright you can stop showing for the ladies and level with me: do you actually buy in to that bullshit?” Immediately would become clear that it wasn’t an act. What’s the dynamic that accounts for that being so common? I know the woo wasn’t what did the work… Read more »

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@softek,

You are the man. I took a break from being online, yardwork waits for no man. Love the Hendrix stuff.

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@Rollo,

http://time.com/3856398/first-responder-surprise-proposal-tampa-bay-rays/ _ Arrrggghhh. Shit like this always makes me recoil. Call me jaded or what ever.

Guy stabs his chick 32 times. Chick gets engaged to beta first responder asswipe that helped save her life. Moving story? Nah. Might make your bowels move involuntarily.

Garbage like this encourages the fembots and juices up the Eternal Order of Douchebag White Knights.

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