I came across an interesting thread on Roosh’s forum recently that linked very well with some experiences I’ve been having over the course of the last few weeks. Eldelwiess was the OP here and he just hints upon a greater whole of the danger of the Red Pill:
It’s a very tough choice to make, yet inevitable. You HAVE to.
But it’s a difficult pill to swallow.
The side effects are really nasty.
Ever since I did it, my life changed to the better, but alas, to the bitter too.
The thing is I now SEE. I’m not blind anymore. But I don’t LIKE what I see.
Because what I see is hypocrisy, degeneration, mediocrity, ignorance and mental slavery.
When you see the world in red pill eyes, you see the ugly reality.
It makes you stop enjoying many things in life.
It makes you find the majority of the people boring, uninteresting and frankly stupid. You pity them.
It makes the bulk of the women unworthy of your time.
It makes you can’t stand your colleagues.
It makes many jokes not funny anymore.
It makes you question everything.
It makes everyone untrustworthy, even your physicians.It makes you…a better person ! And I love it.
But I understand why the majority of the people ignore the red pill and decide to remain in blue pill slavery and mediocrity. It’s easier. And you get to still enjoy life as you knew it, keep the friends who do the exact same thing, sympathize with your colleagues who complain about long working hours, date the same women who feel entitled to everything, watch the same TV programs which numb your mind and make you lose IQ points, vote for the same politicians who control the strings that make you move…
It’s easier.
Eldelwiess is just coming around to acknowledging The Bitter Taste of the Red Pill, but the inherent danger he’s hinting at here goes a little further beyond the perception of a Red Pill aware man being “bitter”, and into the social dynamics that center on creating and interpreting him being such. The danger in this context is not just a bitter perception, but rather one of personal, professional and familial ostracization for expressing Red Pill truths.
I touched on these liabilities in The Secret of the Red Pill, but this was more from the perspective of women having their Game explained to them and what Red Pill aware men might expect for having confronted them with it. The impact of that may only be the perception of you being a presumptuous asshole by an individual woman, however, there are broader implications and consequences for “living” the Red Pill in a larger social sense.
Wutang from Roosh’s forum:
I actually had a falling out with a group of casual acquaintances when my association with RP was revealed among the group so there is a “danger” with it affecting your social bonds. I put danger in quotes because you really should see it as more of an act of filtering out who you associate with rather then any sort of great harm; the exception being if these are people who you work with or who can put a wrench in you advancing in your goals. If the only real harm is losing a few acquaintances or even friends then you should ask yourself if these are really the sort of people you want to associate with. Do you want to surround yourself with people that are apparently so mentally weak that mere words and difference of opinion can drive them into bouts of wailing and sobbing?
While we promote self-sufficiency and being beholden to no other man or system in our particular subculture we need to keep remembering that no man is an island. The people you associate with are going to determine where you are heading. Surround yourself with people who possess beliefs that lead to perpetual victimhood and you’ll become a victim yourself. Associate with people that can’t stand up for anything except a spineless tolerance that refuses to make any sort of value judgements and make the tough choice of saying ‘A is simply better then B when it comes to accomplishing C” whether A is an idea, an action, or even a type of person and you will soon lose your own spine; being afraid to fight for anything for the fear that it’ll make someone somewhere unhappy.
That said this was still a lesson in knowing when is the right time to drop RP knowledge. Naturally I’m a very open and sharing person when it comes to my beliefs and opinions but after this incident I’ve learned to be a lot more careful. In this case I didn’t really lose much since I was already growing to dislike quite a few of the people in the group but it definitely was a warning – what if this has happened with people who I actually respected and who were in positions and had connections that could either help or hinder me in my personal goals? Be careful out there guys.
I quoted this today because I find myself having to temper and measure my Red Pill evangelism with people I know personally or interact with professionally. I say evangelism because, in spite of any measured explanation, this is what it comes off as to most uninitiated Blue Pill plugins. There’s a degree of diplomatic tact you have to practice the more Red Pill aware a man becomes.
Sometimes that’s tough, especially when you’ve gone through personal changes and development that’s benefitted your life as a result. Red Pill awareness may have even saved a man’s life, so just shutting up about it, or having a hesitancy to help out a fellow man in need of that awareness becomes a real conflict.
In June I’ll have been back in Nevada for two years and in that time I’ve reacquainted myself with old friends I haven’t seen since I left for Florida almost ten years ago. All of them I find in similar (if not identical) states in which I left them. Some of these men are long time close personal friends I’d kept in touch with over the years, but with the exception of maybe one out of a dozen, all are still foundering in the same Beta mindset, lifestyle and behaviors they had ten years ago. All of them still complain of the same Beta-relationship issues they had with their wives (some now ex-wives) they confided in me then.
The Rule
NEO: I can’t go back, can I?
MORPHEUS: No. But if you could, would you really want to? I feel that I owe you an apology. There is a rule that we do not free a mind once it reaches a certain age. It is dangerous. They have trouble letting go. Their mind turns against them. I’ve seen it happen. I’m sorry. I broke the rule because I had to.
You’ll have to forgive my using the Matrix metaphor, but every time I’m tempted to awaken a man I think may desperately need the truth of Red Pill awareness I’m reminded of this exchange. I understand why this would be a rule. Granted, I’ve broken it myself many times; usually when I think a man is a danger to himself, but I do so with the knowing that I’ll need to invest myself personally in his conditions and that’s where that cautious hesitation comes from.
There are friends I have who I know would outright reject Red Pill truths, but more so their lives would be turned upside down by having to confront those truths. I have a very good friend who’s remarried and living a new life with his second wife, who is still clinging to all of the internalized Beta illusions and behaviors that contributed to his first brutal divorce.
I could make him aware of all the factors that led up to this very painful episode in his life. I could run down the list of how the woman he married early in life followed the time line I put forth in Preventive Medicine to the letter, why his daughters are both following her footsteps and why his son will grow into being a martyred Beta White Knight like himself.
I could also explain all the factors that led to his new wife’s need for him (who by his Beta measures he’s thrilled with), but I ask myself, why destroy that bliss for him? He’s not now, nor likely will be, ready to have any of that explained. My concern is that he’s too far along in life to bear the burden of that truth. He’d have trouble letting go. His mind would turn against him.
If he were to reach that point of desperation again I’d certainly be compelled to reach out to him and offer the Red Pill to him, but as I’ve said in the past, unplugging men from the Matrix is a lot like triage – save the ones you can, read last rites to the dying. But this guy’s not dying and giving him the medicine might be worse than his conditions.
Law 10 – Infection: avoid the unhappy and unlucky.
Though your compassionate, charitable side may compel you to associate with the sad and downtrodden, if power attainment is your goal then avoid such people. Their bad vibe and energy-draining demeanor are too often infectious. You run a very serious risk of falling into line with their misery. Instead spend your time with people who are happy and successful. You can die from someone else’s misery – emotional states are as infectious as disease.
When I quote Law 10 it’s usually in response to a guy dealing with troubled, toxic women dragging them down into the quicksand of their own making. The Savior Schema usually warrants this truth; it’s a want in a belief that a woman will appreciate and reciprocate for a man ready to be the solution to her problems. However, the same can apply for men who attempt to free the minds of other men.
In both volumes of The Rational Male I make a specific effort to address that Rollo Tomassi doesn’t want to be a savior – I want men to be their own saviors because, although I may present Red Pill truths, it’s ultimately a man who needs to be the director of his own life. If the true measure of power is the degree of control a man has over his own life, relying on a savior, relying on how well one conforms to his plan, is really a limit on that power.
As I state in the books, I’m not interested in Tomassi clones, this is why I’m humbled by every man’s story I’m emailed or commented on about how they changed their lives with what I put forth in my writing.
From the Roosh forum again:
The only ‘danger’ the red pill presents is one’s own inability to let go of previous beliefs when confronted with truth. The red pill makes you look in the mirror and come to terms with your own ego and the lies it convinced you of.
“You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.”
Our ego is what we’re ultimately protecting. Most people don’t have an identity beyond their ego, that’s why most of the population can’t handle the red pill. Unless you were born with red pill parents, being raised blue pill and transitioning to red (altering your very reality) will always be traumatic on some level.
I’m of the opinion that trauma and crisis are necessary components to arriving at a point where a man is open to Red Pill awareness. I realize how distorted that sounds. It should be that a rational laying out of Red Pill truths should be self-evident, but it’s important to contrast that hope with the lifetime of feminine-primary conditioning men receive since their infancy.
There will always be people who will never accept even to most base and evident Red Pill fundamental truths. I completely understand Wutang’s premise for wanting to create our own manospherean tribes. We’ve had a good bit of commentary regarding Jack Donovan’s (Way of Men) call for organizing in like-minded collectives of men, and while I agree and find that laudable, I also know that isolation is dangerous.
Even by Law 10 it makes sense to surround oneself with the “happy and successful”; that’s a pretty deductive truth. However, I can’t ignore that many of the most condition-blinded people are also the most happy. I know multi-millionaires who are among the most abject Betas with regard to their intersexual relations.
So I guess what I’m saying is that there needs to be a level of discernment and discretion in this regard. I reach over half a million viewers / readers every month on TRM without advertising, without proselytizing, and men seem to find my works more and more. When the student is ready the teacher will appear – these men are seeking out the Red Pill and I suspect more will as Open Hypergamy and the machinations of the Feminine Imperative become unignorable.
You can’t teach those unwilling to learn – maybe it’s less about being convincing and more about being ready to help when the opportunities arise? That’s not me being magnanimous, that’s me being practical.
” . . . if I was married to the vast majority of any of you, I’d be planning my escape ASAP.”
If you were my wife, I’d drink it.
@Insanity, the reason you think there is a “fear” of Hypergamy is because you refuse to educate yourself: http://therationalmale.com/2014/08/07/open-hypergamy/ http://therationalmale.com/2014/06/18/controlling-interests/ http://therationalmale.com/2013/12/03/saving-the-best/ Read these. I doubt you will, but they will explain how mistaken you are. Men don’t “fear” Hypergamy, they accept it for what it is. The Red Pill/Game is a solution to understanding and solving the problems that Hypergamy poses to men investing in women. If there’s any fear it’s on the part of women who come to realize the jig is up; men are wise to women’s dualistic sexual strategy and are taking action to protect themselves. What’s… Read more »
@insanitybytes22
“But you really only hurt yourselves when you insist on clinging to all that rage and resentment”
Is that why you troll red pill sites to no end? You’re determined to help us drop our “rage and resentment”?
Give me a break. There are two reasons why you keep commenting nonsense, which are not mutually exclusive:
-Content and comments on red pill sites offend and frighten you
-You like all the attention and drama you get.
@phantom
“-Content and comments on red pill sites offend and frighten you
-You like all the attention and drama you get.”
I’m sure mostly the second, and probably rubs one off when Rollo engages w/her. Sad waste of space here and out there.
@Dragonfly – “Yes, I think most men don’t realize that this is what they’re getting… what they are walking into. What I’m worried about is how will their marriage be (especially their sex life) 5 or 10 years from after the wedding?” @Insanity – “You promote a caricature of manhood that is incompatible with creating any kind of love and intimacy.” Notice both of these statements are based on expectations. Dragonfly references a man’s expectation of his wife’s intimate reciprocation and expresses concern for damage due to a possible lack of that reciprocation. Insanity references her expectation of love and… Read more »
@NBTM
From what I can see in that clip he’s not rejecting competitiveness so much as he’s rejecting the 100% destructive side of it where nobody gains. Perhaps I’d need to read more of his work to grasp it, but personally I think that to society at large there’s constructive and destructive aspects to competition. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if modern societal constructs such as Open Hypergamy bring out the destructive side in a very pronounced fashion.
I’ll try to pick the book up at some point when I get time.
Your Honor, let the record show that Men are not in Fear of Hypergamy. To suggest that we collectively ” fear ” hypergamy is a passive-aggressive way of trying to shame us. It’s like saying ” you’re scared of spiders..”. Be clear, no man here is afraid of hypergamy. All men here have either gotten a clearer grasp of what hypergamy entails and how it can impact their lives, or the others here are trying to get a full understanding of exactly what hypergamy is. Stop with the backdoor belittlement. It’s not appreciated. And I fail to see all of… Read more »
… I ain’t even mad tho.
@Blaximus
I can’t figure out why any of you are responding to that shit anymore honestly. I got my laughs the first couple pages of Insanity’s cow-plop-like entrance in to the comments. No need to respond after that.
@Sun, I know you’re right man, but I’ve been silent for a few pages worth and I just had to speak a few words. She’s a flaming example of jus what we discuss here from time to time. I have a slight problem with passive-aggressive people. It’s a pet peeve of mine. And I have huge issues with females trying to establish any kind of guidelines concerning acceptable behavior for men. Plus, I’m in a foul mood because B.B. King died. So, I vent a little. But now I’m on to more important things. The pork shoulders in the smoker… Read more »
@insanitybytes22
Strange that you would openly claim to listen to men, but do so much ignoring of the replies you get here. It’s almost as if you’re being paid to be disingenuous online, or you’re the most dense human being on earth. Or, perhaps, you simply have no backbone, and will actually mold yourself to whatever argument you require moment-to-moment.
@insanitybytes22 I mean no offense, but if I was married to the vast majority of any of you, I’d be planning my escape ASAP. Actually, the bitch of hypergamy and a game-practiced and hypergamy-aware man is, that if you were at all involved with any one of us, and you are even reasonably attractive, you wouldn’t even know it. Plan your escape? lol. You think these men are special? You think us unique? You think game is as overt as hypergamy? The very things you use words to complain about in this comment section are the very things you will… Read more »
@Jeremy
You think game is as overt as hypergamy?
Well… practiced game isn’t. Let’s face it: beginners can tend to be pretty bumbling and obvious, but it’s just part of the learning process.
@Sun
Even something as simple as a 1-strike rule is essentially game. Now, how smoothly you hold frame while removing attention after the strike, that’s a different matter. But do you honestly think most women are so attuned to recognize that distinction? From the reactions from women I’ve seen, especially younger women, they don’t.
@Jeremy But do you honestly think most women are so attuned to recognize that distinction? In my case, I’ve found it to be a yes, but I live in an area where an attractive chick under 30 that ain’t a landwhale is pretty rare. I don’t see them on a daily or even weekly basis, so I’d wager their standards are pretty stupidly high around here. Momentary stumbles like I’ve made where I stutter or show just a flash of anything other than absolute confidence can be an instant loss of all attraction. They notice the incongruent behavior in me… Read more »
Blaximus – “And I have huge issues with females trying to establish any kind of guidelines concerning acceptable behavior for men.”
Exactly. Such guidelines are never really defined, and don’t apply equally to all men at all times. They are never more than manipulation, ploy, or a con to get over on, or get something from some man, or group of men they either can’t or won’t do the work to obtain in an honest, above board fashion.
@Sun
The practice, for myself, has simply been to never display anything resembling thirst. That’s where most mistakes are made for me, if I’m “doing it wrong”. If I’m doing it right, I almost automatically know it, because I get respect by default. Most of the behaviors that trip me spring from common societally induced male thirst.
What time tomorrow? I have a tri-tip barbecue to attend, may not have wifi there.
@Jeremy (Well, @All really…) Tomorrow I’ll be looking to start things at 16:00 Central, so I’ll be on probably half an hour before that to meet folks, figure out who’s going to be talking, and get everybody’s audio fixed (make sure nobody’s echoing, etc). I want to be done by 18:00, so if you arrive late you’ll be able to join and listen if slots are open (there’s 32 total, so they should be) but moderation settings will probably keep you from talking. If you’re interested in joining us, the software you need to download is at: http://www.teamspeak.com/?page=downloads Grab Teamspeak… Read more »
Goddamn, I go away for a bit and this place gets run over by trolls. My, my.. MSG, Insanitybytes… wtf? Insanity- you are right, you are insane. And you are also right about the red pill being something women should be scared of. For decades, if not longer, men have played the game with both eyes closed and their hands tied behind their back- post RP the gravy train of using men for womens benefit is over. But if what you are worried about is violence, then you are in the wrong group of men, the violence you speak of,… Read more »
You know, another book I think is good TRP reading (and just good reading for anyone, period) is Carl Sagan’s The Demon-Haunted World. It’s pretty much a guide to skepticism and how to apply it in a scientific fashion. I think reading it was one of the things that really triggered my wake up to Red Pill truths before I joined the community.
Skepticism always helps wake one to the truth of the world around them.
@Sun- any slots still open for me? I’m downloading the software now. Have to get some headphones, etc.
@Hobbes
My rather unofficial head count so far has seemed like it’s not gonna be more than 5-10 folks, so yeah feel free to join. I really don’t expect we’ll fill the server up any time soon, and if we do I’ll always have tons listener slots once I get a shoutcast mirror running for the live show.
@Rollo @Dr Jeremy Rethinking the rebound: Unexpected effects of rejection “The woman, thinking the men have read her profile, then got feedback as to whether the men would like to meet her,” MacDonald explains. “We randomly assigned the women to either acceptance or rejection from the attractive man, as well as acceptance or rejection from the unattractive man.” The women then indicated if they wanted to meet each man and rate them. As published today, the researchers found that not only did the women who were rejected derogate (disparage) those men but they also rejected the unattractive men, even if… Read more »
@Sun- awesome. You’re a badass for putting it together. I forgot all about it during my leave. Glad I checked in on time!
“And you are also right about the red pill being something women should be scared of.” And therein lies the problem! What you call the red pill is actually a very healthy and pleasant way that men and women have been interacting with each other for centuries. No, it is not something women should be afraid of, but that is exactly what so many are now trying to transform it into. And women should be scared, because so many of you perceive it as exactly that, a way of retaliating and seeking revenge against women for your own past hurts.… Read more »
@Hobbes
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@Insanity- well you are almost half right, lol. Yes, men and women have used red pill truths to get along for centuries. What you miss in your need for denial is that for the last 4-5 decades those old rules have changed, by women, and those “pleasant ways men and women have been interacting for centuries” got deliberately thrown out. We men today were raised on the new rules, not the old ones. That’s we we call it the blue pill. Get it yet? What angers men is the awakening, not the rules themselves. As to your revenge fantasies- that… Read more »
“I’m not out for revenge, and I don’t think any guy here is or ever has even espoused it..” Many men have espoused exactly that and the outright hatred coming from many red pills is unmistakable. Just because some of you may be sane, does not mean there are not quite a few men advocating outright red pill revenge. That is not my guilt speaking, that is the truth! It does not impact me one way or another, I am happily married and have been for a number of years. But I do realize that I am once again trying… Read more »
FWIW, I’ll entertain insanity, all I require is she reads my work.
Until she does there’s no way to have a discourse.
So, apologies for disturbing you all. Carry on.
If only I believed you.
@insanity,
Well ‘bye………..
What???… wait, what?? I can’t hear you. Too much ideology in my ears. Somebody get me a towel so I can wipe up all of this cult.
@ Blaximus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHafRncK99w @ Insanitybytes Men are justified in their anger when they discover Red Pill truths. Anger isn’t the end-game. It isn’t the solution. Women claiming that men are getting too worked up or angry are simply deflecting blame away from feminism and the ugly reality of it that TRP so uncomfortably exposes. Anger is a natural and healthy response to figuring out that someone’s been pissing down your back and telling you it’s raining. And it’s a great motivator for change. Of course, TRP makes feminists uncomfortable because it calls them out on their bullshit. So naturally anything… Read more »
@softek Nice, thanks man. R.I.P. Riley B King. The men who taught me to put my heart in 6 strings: My Dad, Jimi Hendrix, Howlin Wolf, Slow Hands Eric Clapton, All the Stax musicians of the 60’s and 70’s, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, Roy Orbison, Chuck Berry and BB King. My dad always had black Gibson guitars as long as I can remember. We just automatically referred to them as ” Lucille “. I’m a Strat man myself, sooooo…. Funny thing, I’m not big on ” celebrity “. There are certain people who’m I’ve never met… Read more »
@softek,
” ..What’s really going on is SHAMING MEN’S ANGER at finding out they’re getting the short end of the stick. ”
And that sir, is it in a nutshell.
In time, with a little work, things like the McDonalds incident will only serve to slightly amuse you. I think, RP evolves internally into a zen-like calm in the face of femcrazy and women demonstrating their ” woman-ness “. Young chicks do shit like that. We who know the deal can watch and confirm…over…and over….and over.
@Softek
Women get indignant when they find out men are being told the truth. However, women like being indignant. Whether she acknowledges it or not, Insanity’s hamster is flicking the bean over each guy in here that would no longer put up with her shit. Her indignant words broadcast that loud and clear.
”. . . What’s really going on is SHAMING MEN’S ANGER at finding out they’re getting the short end of the stick.”
Give the man a cigar. He’s earned it.
I’d also like to note paying attention to what they do, not what they say. Insanity has said twice now she’s leaving, and come back once already.
She. Fucking. Loves. This. Place.
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Had a thought: seems like a lot of the problems men and women have with each other is because of men’s desire to see their women as matriarchal and women’s desire not to see their men as patriarchal. At least the blue pill men have this desire, I know I have been that guy. Now that I see that’s the way I was operating, whenever that feeling of putting her as my mental origin comes into mind I have this hatred for that weakness in myself. Did anyone else go through that stage of unplugging? On the one hand it’s… Read more »
@insanitybytes22
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@Jeremy
She still on about “some guys do bad shit with TRP”?
I guess we’re supposed to completely ignore all the bad shit the vast majority of women do to guys that don’t take TRP. After all, that would be acting in our own interests instead of exclusively theirs. We can’t have that.
Well, of course Sun, if any bad exists with men, then it’s too frightening to be allowed to continue. Men must be “controlled” for the good of everyone, and she’s just righteous enough to do it, trust her.
Insanity has an unnatural fear of men. She fears men, therefore she must at the very least socially control men, if not physically control them. Women who behave badly? They’re hardly worth her time.
What is so enlightening, or would be if it wasn’t so damn predictable, is the fact that all she shows concern for is herself and women. the suffering of men means nothing, what she wants is for men to go along the way she wants them to so that she can feel safe. so she ends up doing exactly what TRP says she would. Funnier still is the fact that it’s that very cold hearted carelessness towards men that is the real source of rage in men. Hypergamy is just the lay of the land, men can even understand it… Read more »
Truly a great story, thanks for writing. A little off-topic here, but I took one sentence from the article that changing one’s thinking may save a life. I’ve come to believe that Blue Pill/AFC thinking truly can be a killer. So many episodes of murder/suicides across this country of (usually) a man blowing his family away and then himself because of a divorce or breakup. A prime example: A couple of months ago outside of Portland, a guy led police on a 100 MPH chase with his wife and infant daughter in the car. He rolled the car — amazingly,… Read more »
@WestCoaster
How many unexplained murder-suicides have occurred in the U.S. in the last 20 years?
How many of those might be explained with paternity testing on the kids?
Men don’t take kindly to finding out they were cuckolded after years of slaving away at jobs they don’t like.
Cuckolding should be a crime equal to rape (i.e., near capital).
@ Blaximus If it weren’t for anonymity issues I’d put a pic up here of the Strat I built a year or two ago from a raw ash Mighty Mite body and maple neck (and also link to my main YouTube channel where I have a bunch of other stuff up). I did a black grain fill, transparent purple nitro finish, black pickguard with reverse stagger for the bridge pickup (Hendrix inspired — was my first and remains my biggest influence), Kluson tuners, and I did a compound radius on the board before re-fretting it. Cut a nice bone nut… Read more »
So many awesome blues guitar players now gone. BB, Hendrix, Gary Moore, SRV, Jeff Healey, Rory Gallagher, Roy Buchanan, Johnny Winter. Just to name a few. Playing guitar is a great alpha hobby. Rock stars deserve to drown in top shelf pussy as far as I’m concerned. I was only thinking the other day about my ‘guitarist past’ in many ways. My ex knew I was a guitar player when we met. But one of the first things she insisted upon when we got married was me giving up my band to ‘get a real job’ to support her. I… Read more »
@ stuttie
Playing guitar is a great alpha hobby. Rock stars deserve to drown in top shelf pussy as far as I’m concerned.
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Bono’s wife is in her 50s and for a fairly old woman she still looks great. He doesn’t have to dance like a monkey to get sex and the last thing on his mind is women. He spends his time doing anything he wants. Assuming they don’t get divorced tomorrow that’s what winning looks like to me.
BTW you must be a millionaire if you own a home in Sydney, hehe.
^^^
I think they’ve been together since they were teenagers.
A band is like a gang in many ways. I’m in a 4 piece all male rock blues thing and it’s exactly where I want to be now. All the best bands are usually a group of guys. It’s a big ‘fuck you’ to the establishment and social norms. Which in itself is very red pill. I think that’s why I was always attracted to and gravitated towards being in bands from an early age (and still am). Being a guy on the fringe of society; not playing by societies rules. That’s why I say rock stars deserve to drown… Read more »
@Rugby – What do you propose GWADT and I speak about? Her NAWALTNESS? GWADT – Funny how you’ve turned all that I’ve written to you here into “hate”. I’ve actually explicitly said that I’m sure I would like you if we met in the real world. What I’ve asked is that women show their respect for men here by actually allowing it to be a male space. I’ve also criticized you harshly and subjected you to unfavorable analyses, boo hoo. And I don’t care that you care. You see I already know you can turn on me at any moment… Read more »
@Glenn Not that you don’t already know this, but GWADT, Insanity and others have only ever been taught to fear men. They’ve only been taught fear their entire lives, it is almost all they know of men. It’s so pervasive, you end up with Disney movies like “Frozen” where nearly every single male character (certainly all the important ones) in the film is some kind of criminal, and no one bats an eye. To their mind, we’re the scorpion. Their perception of how men might hurt them is so ingrained and ever-present, you get comments like these: Men are scary,… Read more »
I agree with the central idea of the post; teach what you can about positive masculinity to those who want to learn, get over the reluctant bitterness and push through to positivity, teach mostly through action and don’t push anyone towards RP who truly isn’t ready for it. Take me; I would never have believed any of this before hitting my own rock bottom. It would have been wasted on me. And I really think unless you start seeing the cracks in your own life, or feel in you gut that something’s deeply wrong in your relationships, the RP just… Read more »
@Sun
Looks like I may miss this week. I sorta knew that would happen as I’m currently out of town and my work schedule is quite fluid and out of my own control.
@ Jeremy How many Beta guys would do violent things like that? If you pushed them far enough, maybe, but my estimate would be that the vast, VAST majority would never and will never do anything even remotely like that. Women select for guys that are more prone to being extremely violent. It doesn’t give guys the “right” to be violent with women. It just so happens that a gang member or gang leader is a lot more likely to be extremely abusive than the less interesting Beta male working a 9-5 job and is a good provider. I live… Read more »
@Softek “and unfortunately women are more viscerally attracted to guys that have a serious propensity for violence.” I have lived with those words being burned in me with a silence in my head for a huge portion of my life…. To exposed that in modern conversation usually go me arrested. @Glenn Never mind her you are you and I have no damn rigth to project anything on you. My apology I was wrong in bringing that up. As for your story it’s weird I had the same incident on my bike. I would do a 7 mile ride and one… Read more »
@Softek
I wasn’t debating what people are, or their right to react violently. I was pointing out that modern women understand the roots of male violence about as well as they understand their own orgasm. They’re taught lies about it, and convinced they understand it, but they don’t really get it until they provoke the reaction. What’s more, they don’t understand how their own behaviors are part of the cause of it.
@ Jeremy I agree with you. I was making more of a tangential point about a common feminist argument, which is that men think they have a ‘right’ to objectify women, or even abuse them, when the whole concept of having a ‘right’ doesn’t factor into it at all, as they’re completely ignoring biological realities that are what they are regardless of what we think they should be. They’ll never take accountability for their behaviors; if the Beta husband got pissed off that she was having an affair with an Alpha, they’ll twist it somehow into being the Beta husband’s… Read more »
@ Jeremy
I had a long comment written out about cheating and marriage and violence and all that. I think this sums up my take, more or less:
“I used to say a married woman
Was the sweetest woman ever born
But I changed that thing,
You better let married women alone
Take my advice, let these married women be
‘Cause their husband’ll grab you
And beat you ragged as a cedar tree”
~Blind Willie McTell
@Softek
Again, I was not justifying violence in response to female behavior. I was, however, pointing out that if the provocation can somehow be justified then the response to the provocation did not spring from a vacuum. We live in a macro world of causality, cause and effect both exist. You can’t simply point at someone and say “Look! Look! There’s an effect without cause! Punish him!” Modern women are hell bent on pretending that male violence has nothing to do with them, while lecturing men on their supposed inherent violence.
@Jeremy “What’s more, they don’t understand how their own behaviors are part of the cause of it.” That is being redpill awareness in the health define way of being a positive being. @Softek “The violence thing is a tough one for me. Women antagonize men and provoke them to act out violently — but no matter how unfair it is, if you do act out, you’re gonna get raked over the coals.” Breath… Just fucking breath and get the fuck on the field… Yeah thank you bringing that up. Every time the white knight in me would step to to… Read more »
@ Jeremy I agree completely, I just wonder if trying to make that point is a lost cause. I’ve lived with the frustration of being accused of my behaviors springing from a vacuum. As if my upbringing and environment have had nothing at all to do with the problem behaviors I’ve had. I’m not using it as an excuse — but the people that criticize me and try to hold my solely accountable for everything make it seem like I’m using it as an excuse. Making excuses for myself, instead of what I’m actually doing, which is trying to argue… Read more »
@Jeremy What’s really fun is when it comes from both men and women. I was an incredibly angry kid, teenager, and young adult. Like furiously angry almost all the time. I had two parents who routinely expressed themselves to me and each other through screaming and hitting. I had teachers who actually made fun of me for being on Ritalin. I was in constant fights with bullies because I was small until I was a teen but unwilling to back down. When I finally started noticing girls, they turned me down in the most cruel, publicly derisive ways they could.… Read more »
@ rugby I have a mean streak. It haunted me for years that when I was a kid growing up I took a lot of pleasure in torturing bugs. A couple times I abused animals and took an extreme amount of pleasure in it. Also bullied some kids. I was bullied myself. And the things I did were all what were done to me: I got this almost orgasmic sadistic pleasure out of restraining people and scaring the shit out of them. Trapping things, making them feel helpless and seeing the fear on their face. It was exactly what happened… Read more »
@Softek
“And I believe a part of why it keeps coming up is because no one ever acknowledged the abuse I went through.”
Trauma male hate choice love family disaster…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jBlTkiUR4uI
This whole clip explains my household and the economics of self destruction.
Going for a walk it’s all to much.
“As published today, the researchers found that not only did the women who were rejected derogate (disparage) those men but they also rejected the unattractive men, even if they offered acceptance.” This is exactly as it should be. Nobody should string someone they find unattractive along just so they can say “I have a boyfriend”. Its not fair, not just, not ethical. You couldn’t pay me a billion dollars to relationship up a woman clearly not attracted to me, and vice versa. Women change fast when an attractive man comes on the scene. 7 years ago I worked in a… Read more »
As for anger, yeah, god forbid a man be angry- ever. It’s in the best interest of everyone who wants to control men to stigmatize mens anger- govt, women, big business etc don’t want you to ever be angry. And in a way, they are right. when men get angry, men take action and that’s when things change- not necessarily through violence, but it’s when men get angry that men stop being pliable. It’s the first step to men saying “stop”. When men get angry they change laws, they stop giving and start asking “whats in it for me?”, they… Read more »
Re:Violence
http://therationalmale.com/2012/02/29/what-lies-beneath/
This is what insanity was worried about being stabbed over:
http://time.com/3856398/first-responder-surprise-proposal-tampa-bay-rays/
Don’t worry pumpkin, there’s always a white knight to help you get over the Alpha sociopath you chose to hook up with.
@Sun- I’ve downloaded the teamspeak software, let me know what server we’re using, etc to log on. You said around 4pm central?
Adam Man May 16th, 2015 at 12:22 am Rollo, have you seen this: http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/living/lisa-ling-sugar-baby-essay/ Just saw it on CNN. A memorable quote is when the host asked what these young women are seeking. This young blonde said she’s seeking a mentor, getting $4000/month. She said I’m not going to take $300 just to have sex, I’m not a prostitute. Why is it that women can just rationalize this so easily? She is a college graduate, at least a 6 or 7 in looks, seems fairly intelligent, and yet $4000 is mentorship b/c it pays the bills/school and $300 is prostitution?… Read more »
RE: Violence and anger.
Anger is a useless emotion…the perception of being treated unfairly.
Violence (and it’s many, many forms) are the ultimate problem solver.
Learn to wield the latter without the former, and it’s your world that everyone is merely stepping through.
Re: Violence – I’ll bet a thousand dollars that Insanity and Liz do not want understand that they live in relative security due to the fact that so many men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. Every one you ignorant loudmouth bitches do violence or are prepared to do violence by proxy at all times. You live in such a cosseted and delusional solipsism that you have convinced yourselves a pacifists existence is even possible in this world while 800,000 police and 2.5 million mostly men in arms stand sentry, sheepdogs guarding the flock while you sneer at… Read more »
@Sun – Dude I thought we were doing the team speak at 7 or 8 eastern. I’m playin a gig at 5 and was just going to make it as at 7. Very sorry about the crossed wires. Ill try to join when I can.
Glenn
@Agent P: Ian’s The Red Pill Room is on our sidebar over at /r/marriedredpill where you are safe from Jennifer’s entitled harpies.
BONO – He’s been with the same woman since his teens. Good for them! I’m 99% sure both of them have not been sexually monogamous. Him, because obviously he’s a rock star and her because obviously she’s the attractive wife of a rock star. Both have lived their lives surrounded by sexually attractive men and women in the entertainment business where sex has always been open and experimental. Nevertheless they are emotionally committed to one another and stayed together raising a family. This is what marriage is about. Infidelity is no excuse for divorce. Couples need to have an “understanding”… Read more »
@Sotftek: Fucking epic and righteous bro. Thanks for that. Somebody needs to compose a “Trolls of the Manosphere” book with all the great trolls: FMY and now Insanity. With some of the epic responses to the trolls we have had on Rational Male, Dalrock and other places, I think the book would fill out in no time. Of course GBFM would have his own chapter. Take insanity: She can’t even acknowledge men’s pain, only women and only herself thus exemplifying solipsism and female entitlement. She raises all the classic straw men and when that doesn’t work she starts shaming. AWALT… Read more »
Sun Wukong
May 14th, 2015 at 12:52 pm
Well. I took a different route to destroying who I was. And over all – despite the extreme pain – I rather enjoyed it.
It helped that I started early. Age 18. But the transformation was not complete until I was about 30.
Blaximus
May 16th, 2015 at 10:12 pm
It is an interesting age when the people you once knew start dying off.
Jeremy
May 16th, 2015 at 11:07 pm
Add into the mix that the induction of fear makes men attractive to her. AWALT.
Mad Yale Grad
May 17th, 2015 at 1:59 pm
Women are tolerable when they are competing with each other.
@Hobbes
Server is themantable.net with no password. Please use the same handle as you use on here. I’m connected right now, but not at my computer as I’m finishing up some stuff around the house. I’ll be on soon.
@Glenn
Doh! Ah well, it’ll work out. I’ll try to get a web page with scheduled times up and running this week to help everyone in the future.
We’ll probably wind up running a bit long since I’m expecting technical difficulties and such for a first real session. I’m just trying for 4-6 to avoid interfering too much with lunch on the west or dinner on the east coast.
Softek May 17th, 2015 at 12:59 pm It is too bad LSD therapy is out of vogue. The trauma is incredible. The release beyond belief. You either need an extremely good therapist or determination that borders on the impossible. Since I trusted no one the only choice was to find that determination in myself. Maybe I always had it. I no longer (nor have I had for 40 years) any interest in repeating what was done to me. Although I’m perfectly capable of it and can adopt it as a skin if it seems useful. You might find the R.… Read more »
Tech difficulties indeed.. keep getting an error message when I try to connect. I’m trying to figure it out..
R. Crumb “Meatball” https://marswillsendnomore.wordpress.com/2013/06/12/robert-crumbs-meatball/
Softek May 16th, 2015 at 11:27 pm You should study coil winding technology from the 20s and 30s. There is a lot more to it than just adding turns. Once you get an understanding (L/C ratios – maximum inductance etc) you might want to build a mechanical coil winder – I’d do it electronic these days. Then play around until you find a design that suits you. I’m into electronics/software and lightly into mechanics so I may be able to help. You can contact me at: http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/ my e-mail is on the sidebar. The L/C stuff is important because it… Read more »
Softek
May 16th, 2015 at 11:27 pm
Voodoo Child – Slight Return was always a favorite of mine.
Sun Wukong
“May 17th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
We’ll probably wind up running a bit long since I’m expecting technical difficulties and such for a first real session. I’m just trying for 4-6 to avoid interfering too much with lunch on the west or dinner on the east coast.”
Ouch. I can’t log in with themantable.net
Failed to resolve hostname ‘themantable.net’
stuttie
May 17th, 2015 at 12:21 am
I used to be a harmonica player. Because you could carry it in your pocket. Practice anywhere. It did help me get pussy from time to time. I gave it up to do electronics. A decision I’m quite satisfied with. Happy in fact.
Girls do get nuts over musicians don’t they?
I used to like to play along with Mayall’s “Room To Move”. I could do that perfect. And on a good day embellish it. The girls would swoon.
@sjfrellc
Alternatively, you can see if neo.themantable.net works, and if not then try 80.82.64.201.
M Simon
May 17th, 2015 at 3:48 pm
Mad Yale Grad
May 17th, 2015 at 1:59 pm
Women are tolerable when they are competing with each other.
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Yup. And they’ll only compete for attractive men. So if we want to increase the local eye candy quotient, we know what to do.
My experience – neo.themantable.net works, the others don’t
Tried the Red Pill? Want to try the Black Pill?
https://omegavirginrevolt.wordpress.com/the-syndicate-the-internet-marketing-scam-organization-behind-game/
Regarding AmRen. Perhaps the creator/admin is not a bigot or racist but there sure are very vocal bigots and racists associated with it. We are known by the company we keep or the weirdos who gravitate toward us. Obama came under fire for attending some sermons of a black supremacist liberation theologian. Ron Paul came under fire for having a bigot write some racist articles in his newsletter that he later personally disavowed saying he didn’t write it, someone else did. HIs son Rand Paul is currently coming under fire for something similar. The Manosphere comes under fire for allowing… Read more »
Lone Survivor
May 17th, 2015 at 5:26 pm
Richard Feynman invented Game to sell books? As if a Nobel Prize wasn’t enough? As if teaching Physics wasn’t enough? Seriously?
BTW his advice on Game is spot on. “Show no respect to women.’
Mad Yale Grad
May 17th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
The place where I blog has a strict policy of not deleting comments. I like that. Idiots? Of course. Racists. No doubt. Haters. We get them.
But the Free Speech is worth it.
M. Simon, you’re also not a politician. Free Speech is worth it. And along with it comes Free Speech about the Free Speech. And that’s also worth it. The problem with Obama, the Pauls, the Manosphere etc is instead of manning up and owning it, they backtrack “I had no idea a racist was writing for me. Never even saw the article” etc. For once I’d like to see one of the above say, “Yeah, I’m associated with bigots. If that costs me an election, a career, the moral high ground or the cultural narrative, so be it. I’m willing… Read more »
Blaximus, “And I have huge issues with females trying to establish any kind of guidelines concerning acceptable behavior for men.”
I have huge issues with women not having guidelines and standards. I will absolutely not invest in a woman who has a problematic history of dating low quality men, losers, assholes, thugs, etc. If her dating history consists of stable, solid men then she has a much higher chance of being low drama herself.
Crossphased, “Had a thought: seems like a lot of the problems men and women have with each other is because of men’s desire to see their women as matriarchal and women’s desire not to see their men as patriarchal. At least the blue pill men have this desire, I know I have been that guy. Now that I see that’s the way I was operating, whenever that feeling of putting her as my mental origin comes into mind I have this hatred for that weakness in myself. Did anyone else go through that stage of unplugging?” Vasopressin, dopamine, and other… Read more »
“I just waited in line at McDonald’s today while the cashier girl was hitting on Chuck TatMan with his Jordans and hat on backwards. After he already placed his order. “Oh I love your tats.” Lifting up his shirt and showing her this one and that one and she’s swooning over it, and he’s asking her if she has any, and they’re going back and forth, back and forth. She apologized and asked me what I wanted about a second before I was about to say, “Excuse me, but can I please have some fucking sugar packets for my coffee?”… Read more »
@ M Simon Do you know Mayall’s version of “The Stumble” with Peter Green? I like playing that one a lot. Voodoo Child’s one of my favorites too. He was on fire during the Woodstock version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvfQ4WPQdlk Hopkins recently did that study on psilocybin. I’ve been trying to find some mushrooms but no luck yet. Huge positive changes. Although with my history and panic/anxiety disorder I’ve been hesitant. I completely believe in the power of psychedelics to heal, and especially with mushrooms that people have been using for thousands of years. The first time I smoked weed was awful. It… Read more »
Softek, please find a Theravada Buddhist center near you and learn how to meditate according to their specific techniques. They really can help with all sorts of mental disorders.
It’s trolly out tonight: 1:59, 2:52, 3:06, 3:30, 3:35, 3;38, 3:48, 4:08, 4:14, 4:31, 4:39, 5:12, 5:12, 5:54, 5:58, 6:03, 6:27, 6:41, 6;58, 7:13……..but they’re feeding on each other, and that’s an improvement. Thanks!