Building Better Worlds

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I had an interesting conversation this week with my good friend Ray and a couple of my designers, Sadie and Sam (names changed to protect the innocent). Just a little background first; Sadie is the Japanese woman I mention in Mental Point of Origin. She’s been divorced once and her relationship history is one punctuated by her involvement with Beta men.

She’s is the definition of the opportunistic concept of female love, but her frustration comes from never having been able to consolidate on an optimized Hypergamy – she simply doesn’t have attractiveness or feminine pleasantry to generate the Alpha interest that would satisfy her. Thus, she attracts Beta orbiters looking for some low hanging fruit, and force-fits them into a contextual Alpha frame. In other words, she opportunistically entertains the Betas with provisioning potential and hopes they’ll man up into dominant Alphas. Thus far she’s been disappointed.

Sam is a gay man in his early 30s who makes a good living afforded by not having children and possessing a high calibre technical skill set. He’s got the outgoing, “look at me, I’m special because I’m gay” exuberance I expect from gay men, but he’s not flamboyant and can still be professional when he has to be. He’s been “dating” a new guy for a while now and has moved this guy into his home recently. He took part in our conversation because the issues of sharing resources, money and picking up half the rent (in his case mortgage) in a relationship came up.

Ray has been one of my best friends for over 15 years now and he’s the guy I mention in Good Girls Do. He’s worked for me directly or indirectly for most of that time and he’s notorious for starting conversations like this when we have downtime. He’s a firestarter, it’s what I like about him, and among the three he’s the only one who knows my online reputation. Ray is Red Pill aware so he knows how to prompt a controversial conversation with me when we’re in mixed company.

Ray: “RT, hypothetical question…”

RT: “Do I have to?”

Ray: “Let’s say you move your girlfriend in with you…”

RT: “Let’s say I don’t and I would never do that. End of hypothetical.”

Ray: “No, I know, but, say you did, and let’s say your rent is $1,000 a month. Would you tell your girlfriend ‘Hey the rent is $1,000 a month how about you pay $300 and I’ll pay $700 or would you say 50/50?”

RT: “No. I’d pay it all myself. I’d also be sure that only my name was on the lease.”

Sadie:”What? Why, that’s silly?”

Ray: “You wouldn’t expect any contribution?”

RT: “No. I wouldn’t turn it down if she took it upon herself to contribute, but I wouldn’t expect it from a girl I (foolishly) brought into my living arrangement.”

Sadie: “You wouldn’t expect her to pay half?”

RT: “No. If I can’t provide my own $1,000 rent or food, or to keep the lights on, I have no business bringing a woman into that arrangement. If I have more than enough for myself I don’t need her paying. Besides, if she’s that into living with me, she’ll want to contribute in other ways and I wont have to ask.”

Sam: “You don’t think it should be an equal split? Maybe that’s a man and a woman thing…”

RT: “Yes and no. I’m sure between you and your boyfriend there’s a more dominant personality right?”

Sam: “Yeah, me.”

RT: “And you probably make more money too. So there’s really no ‘equality’ when it comes down to it.”

Sadie: “I expect my boyfriend to pay half the rent.”

RT: “Of course you do, because women think in terms of equality when it works to their advantage. What if your ‘boyfriend’ could pay for all the rent, utilities and most of everything else? Would you still try to pay half?”

Sadie: “Yes of course.”

RT: “What if he only paid just half and you knew it was a better deal for him?

Sadie: (tentative) “Yes,…”

RT: “I doubt that, but what you’re saying is that you’d limit improving your way of life to maintain a belief in equality.”

Sadie: “All the guy’s I’ve lived with have been mooches.”

RT: “Which explains why you’re not living with them any more. It goes both ways, women don’t respect men they need to support. All this stuff about equality in relationships is nonsense.If your boyfriend could easily make rent while you struggled to come up with it you’d resent him for it. There is no equal division.”

Sam: “I guess I see what you’re saying, but the expectation is still the same even for me and [boyfriend].

RT: “There is no equality in a relationship, but there can be complementarity where either person’s benefits can offset the needs of the other.”

Ray: “So you and Mrs. T aren’t 50/50?”

RT: “Ray, I make about 4 times the money that she does, how is there ever going to be anything like equality with that kind of balance?”

Ray: “But what about chores and shit?”

RT: “I take care of the outside of the house, she takes care of the inside. I do the smelly dirty jobs, she keeps the fresh cleaning ones, it’s not rocket science.”

Sam: “Sounds like you just want to stay in the power position.”

RT: “Yes, but it’s only a power play if you’re exploiting your partner. Women like to say they want an equal partner, but they don’t, do they Sadie? They want someone to respect and look up to. So when that comes down to numbers, to money, what’s really holding you together? Love? Mutual interests? (at Sam) Right now you can’t help but be the more dominant one in your relationship. So do you stop being so just to balance things? Do you expect [boyfriend] to pick up the slack more?

The Cardinal Rule of Relationships

In any relationship, the person with the most power is the one who needs the other the least.

This principle isn’t so much about ‘power’ as it is about control. This might sound like semantics, but it makes a difference. It’s very easy to slip into binary arguments and think that what I mean by the cardinal rule of relationships is that one participant must absolutely rule over the other – a domineering dominant to a doormat submissive. Control in a healthy relationship passes back and forth as desire and need dictate for each partner. In an unhealthy relationship you have an unbalanced manipulation of this control by a partner. Although control is never in complete balance, it becomes manipulation when one partner, in essence blackmails, the other with what would otherwise be a reinforcer for the manipulated under a healthy circumstance. This happens for a plethora different reasons, but the condition comes about by two ways – the submissive participant becomes conditioned to allow the manipulation to occur and/or the dominate initiates the manipulation. In either case the rule still holds true – the one who needs the other the least has the most control. Nowhere is this more evident than in interpersonal relationships.

When I was writing this post many years ago I hadn’t fully considered how this rule interacts with, and contradicts, many of the tenets of egalitarian equalism. The idealistic state of that equalism is one in which two co-equal, yet independent people come together in a perfect union of balance. In theory that balance should account for resources, emotional investment, family considerations, as well as intellectual and social status aspects of either partner.

These considerations alone should be enough to illustrate equalitarianism as the manipulative farce it is, however, all we really need to do is take into account the Cardinal Rule of Relationships. It’s very easy to be accused of being controlling when you embrace the truth of this rule – and particularly so when the reigning social undercurrent is one in which everyone ought to be co-equal rational actors.

I expected to have that leveled at me in this conversation, but it’s important to bear in mind the real nature of power. By my own definition, power is the degree of control we exercise over the direction of our own lives. As I mentioned, I don’t mind being the more powerful partner in terms of resources in my marriage because I accept that stupid notions of maintaining anything like “equality” is simply infeasible. I know more than a few men who’ve sold their lives’ potential away in the belief that they should lessen themselves in order to support a more balanced, equalist ideal. Ultimately their relationships, marriages and families suffer because they never own that potential – just the idea of owning it is a source of guilt and shame.

For all of the bleating about more equitability being needed between men and women. the fundamental truth is that it’s neither a realistic nor workable state. I’ve used money for my illustration here, but this applies to many other facets of an intersexual relationship. From an equalist perspective this sounds a lot like a want for creating a condition of dependency, but in truth it is an unachievable state of egalitarianism that creates a never-satisfied state of dependency.

Her World or Yours?

If you go back and look at the video from Bachelor Nation you can see the dichotomy that presumptions of “equality” sows in western(izing) women today. Within the first 6 minutes of the video we see the internal contradictions inherent in women. There is a want for an idealized equal pairing, but yet a desire for a man to be a Man. The documentary finds the root of this dichotomy in modern resource imbalances between the sexes, and makes the predictable appeal to men not living up to their burden of performance. The male shame comes in contrasting women’s taking on what should be men’s performance burdens – the male obligation to which ironically flies in the face of anything like true egalitarian equalism.

Stay-at-home dads, house husbands, and anything relatable will always have a stigma attached to them in spite of any weak attempts to make them socially acceptable. That stigma is founded in a limbic-level understanding of men’s burden of performance; to be a Man is not just to produce sustainable resources, but to provide a surplus of those resources.

I recently read a poll sponsored by Forbes magazine that listed men’s top goals in life and for the first time in that poll’s history “a good physique” outranked all personal and financial ambitions for top executives. The predictable shame then followed that men aren’t “Manning Up” any more, and they’ve become vain, self-absorbed narcissists for a new focus on what image they present.

The obvious Red Pill conclusion is of course a realignment with the prevailing social perceptions (courtesy of the Feminine Imperative I might add) that women are out-earning men financially and educationally; thus the Alpha Fucks side of Hypergamy takes precedent. If America’s top execs are heeding the message of Open Hypergamy, why bother establishing yourself financially, academically, ambition-wise or otherwise?

The problem with this equation is evident in the Bachelor Nation video. I can understand the sentiments of MGTOW; if the opinions expressed by the quality of woman represented in the video are any indicator of a female zeitgeist it makes the idea of abandoning the Game altogether that much more appealing.

That said, and I’m going to dare to get prescriptive here, I believe that establishing yourself as an independent Man should be your top priority. I have no doubt that that sentiment will get convoluted with feminism’s Strong Independent Woman® meme, but lets clarify something first – the ideal that men ought to be strong and independent has always been the precursor to his quality as a man. Independence, self-sufficiency and determined ambitions have always been the hallmarks of a man comfortable with his burden of performance. Only in women is independence a novelty.

Yet now, in men, this independence is not just a novelty, but it’s been distorted into being an obsessive-compulsive sign of a man’s imagined insecurities. The very strength and independence men have always been expected to embody is the domain of women, while any hope for it from men is a sign of a fragile ego.

Iron Rule of Tomassi #1

Frame is everything. Always be aware of the subconscious balance of who’s frame in which you are operating. Always control the Frame, but resist giving the impression that you are.

I firmly believe Alpha is a mindset. That mindset can get the poorest son-of-a-bitch laid with the right application, tact and circumstance. That’s a tough pill to swallow when you work your ass off in the belief that your affluence and status should be the metric Alpha is judged by and women respond to. That’s also not to say affluence and status won’t get you laid by their own merit, it’s just the context in which that happens that makes the difference. There are many men who’ve found their retroactive cuckolding after having based their personal successes on the presumption that those successes should be the basis of his quality to women.

The concept of frame covers a lot of aspects of our daily lives, some of which we’re painfully aware of, others we are not, but nonetheless we are passively influenced by frame. What concerns us in terms of inter-gender relations however is the way in which frame sets the environment, the ambience, and the ‘reality’ in which we relate with both the woman we sarge at a bar and the relationship with the woman we’ve lived with for 20 years. One important fact to consider, before I launch into too much detail, is to understand that frame is NOT power. The act of controlling the frame may be an exercise in power for some, but let me be clear from the start that the concept of frame is who’s ‘reality’ in which you choose to operate in relation to a woman. Both gender’s internalized concept of  frame is influenced by our individual acculturation, socialization, psychological conditioning, upbringing, education, etc., but be clear on this, you are either operating in your own frame or you’re operating in hers. Also understand that the balance of frame often shifts. Frame is fluid and will find its own level when a deficit or a surplus of will is applied to change it. The forces that influence that lack or boost of will is irrelevant – just know that the conditions of an operative framework will shift because of them.

We can go back and debate the Crisis of Motive once again – who do you really do it for? – but in terms of Frame, even if you subscribe to a MGTOW perspective, it’s important for a Man to have a world into which a woman might enter. Not for her sake, but for a Man’s edification.

Establish your world; you shall make your mission, not your woman your priority. Women should only ever be a complement to a man’s life, never the focus of it.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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” . . . the ‘good girl’ personality is not the hiding or sublimation of one’s sexuality, it’s actually a sexual strategy in and of itself.”

Just as is the Nice Guy. Which is why women hate Nice Guys so much. They are aware that it is a sexual strategy, even if the Nice Guy isn’t.

The Good Girl is simply the FI reflection of the Nice Guy. Same deal, different imperative.

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“It’s very easy to be accused of being controlling when you embrace the truth of this rule – and particularly so when the reigning social undercurrent is one in which everyone ought to be co-equal rational actors.”

Not at all Tomassi, but those men who hear your words and begin to speak of women as dogs, sluts, sub-human specimens in need of constant control and manipulation, do not understand your definition of power at all, and perceive it only as having power and control over women, rather than over their own selves.

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@insanitybytes22 “It’s very easy to be accused of being controlling when you embrace the truth of this rule – and particularly so when the reigning social undercurrent is one in which everyone ought to be co-equal rational actors.” Not at all Tomassi, but those men who hear your words and begin to speak of women as dogs, sluts, sub-human specimens in need of constant control and manipulation, do not understand your definition of power at all, and perceive it only as having power and control over women, rather than over their own selves. *cluck**cluck**cluck**… MEN ARE SCARY…*cluck**cluck**cluck**… YOU CANT TELL… Read more »

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” . . . MGOTW, will presume a default state of resources, effort and interest equitability should exist between the sexes.”

There is a very strong thread of egalitarianism running through MGTOW, ironically strongest among the most perspicacious and most opposed to the Social Justice Warriors. Some of them going so far as to suggest that the solution lies in transhumanism, literally making men and women equal.

It is interesting to watch them begin an essay denouncing egalitarianism and then end it by advocating its goals and methods.

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Insanity, you don’t understand power at all. You understand men less. You’re like a little girl cringing and shrieking when a dog barks at them. You’re crying to daddy to punish the dog because it scared you. When does a dog bark? When it’s alerting you of something, warning you of an intruder, warning you to stay back. When does a dog bite? Only when you threaten it. When do you muzzle a dog? After it bites, not after it barks. And perhaps not even then, if some dumbass kid thought he could treat the dog with no respect and… Read more »

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11:06 AM Good comments all, and a lot to think about this holiday weekend… In reading that the conversation transcript, it struck me that if you need another person to help you make rent or keep the lights on, you have larger problems than inter-relationship dynamics. Fix that and you’re on firmer ground. Plus, it’s less about the money and more about the power, I think. If you need to have someone live with you to meet costs, then you’re not working from a power perspective. You NEED to have them help you, which plays from a lower hand that… Read more »

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“You’re a girl, you think this is all about status games and social hierarchies, you don’t get that there’s a whole world out there that needs dealing with that doesn’t give a shit about your social hierarchies. You don’t get that men understand things about the world you don’t and never will. ”

Engrave this on a plaque and hang it on the door.

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Ouch, Rollo

I’ve put that Rush song on the songlist for my deer habitat guy get togethers.

It’s a funny song, but in the real forest oaks are obviously a metaphor for men. And maples are a metaphor for women. Those of us that manage for habitat fell as many maples as possible in a mature forest because they are shade tolerant and take over an over-canopy that blocks out all the light. And the forest floor for the deer becomes barren.

Not cutting out oaks is a major over-riding principle because of their intrinsic value

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Great. Now I can’t get Geddy’s shrieking out of my head. smile

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I caught an Amish guy and his kids trespassing on my land yesterday, stealing my morel mushrooms. Seeing as how I’ve been homesteading full time and not “working”, mushroom money goes a long way toward property taxes when you scoop up 20-30 pounds of them. It’s another “that time of year” thing that comes with the lifestyle, a residual income stream to be counted on. Just when you think there is an upstanding person left, a model of morality to aspire to… You’d think the Amish of all people would understand “thou shalt not steal” and “thou shalt not covet”.… Read more »

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Glenn, I think you are on a correct tract in putting political thought on a higher plane than the FI. If you put it in a higher plane above the premises in the dialectic, then the debate makes more sense downstream. Disclaimer: I don’t philosophy well. Take this analogy (a totally different train of thought, but the same dialectic process): If Rollo puts Hypergamy higher up in the dialectic about the Feminine Imperative and social conventions that flow from it it makes more sense. If you take it (Hypergamy) as the Uber premise, as Rollo does, then it makes much… Read more »

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@Vulpine: “Doesn’t soylent green seem the better option?”

I prefer fresh food to the processed for storage variety.

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“Screetch…” go the brakes. Hey, Softek, get that suicide idea out of your noggin, bru. If you’ve been depressed, troubleshoot what is depressing about your life and fix it. Fix it. Figure out what needs changing, according to what will facilitate more happiness for you, and pursue it like your ultimate goal. It may mean big changes, it might mean little ones, but props to you for the introspection. Determine what you enjoy, not what society enjoys, but what YOU enjoy, then sculpt your life around those things. Damn what anyone “expects” of you, or deems “relevant”, or “significant”, or… Read more »

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*chess move

-not “chest move”, heh.

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@ Vulpine I’m not sure about the Binary ideas being presented in an argumentative fashion. I can relate. I have a 40 acre farm forty minutes from my house. I grow shiitake mushrooms on oak logs. I have grown 50 tomato and 50 eggplant plants from seed. Cut firewood, clear deadfalls with 4 chainsaws, Have 10 deer foodplots, harvest venison, plant grains and clover in the fall. Grow brassicas for deer food plots. I still lift weights back in the city. Both because they are a passion and a pursuit. I use a dual peace of mind strategy. To say… Read more »

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@ Vulpine Ditch the toilet seat. Not joking here. Squatting is the way to go. I’ve been using a Nature’s Platform for years and love it. Gets a lot of weird looks but “Nature Knows Best” is a book that lays it all out. Humans are designed to squat in the bathroom and it makes everything a LOT faster, easier, and there’s compelling evidence (and common sense) suggesting that it can prevent a lot of bowel diseases that are likely caused by straining and incomplete evacuation. Not to mention what it does for maintaining mobility on a regular basis. When… Read more »

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Regarding shacking up, the future is now. Less and less people go for legal marriage, what to speak of religious ones. In my social circle of people under 40 the majority are shacked up. Many of them for over a decade and that used to be “common law spouse”. The baby mamas with beta providers I rant about? Shacked up. With one lone legal marriage exception. People are going for “commitment ceremonies” in their back yards or on the beach somewhere these days, not huge legal and religious weddings. The problem people have with ” All this stuff about equality… Read more »

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@Rollo

Try Lake Michigan on for size

Envy ya the mountains though

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“I would think these days (I’m imagining this), that unmarried women first year medical school girls would be DTF, what with all the emotional newness, competitiveness and need for an outlet for emotional frustrations of the first year. I would spin plates as soon as possible when you get there. I can’t think of a better time to do it. If you think this is immoral rather than Amoral, I’m not sure why you are reading or posting here on the Rational Male.” Bingo! If you think its “immoral” then Dalrock is the blog for you. There they think grown… Read more »

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“Lake Tahoe is my backyard.”

Do you know that fPUA guru/EFT trainer Erica Awakening then?

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“Just as is the Nice Guy. Which is why women hate Nice Guys so much. They are aware that it is a sexual strategy, even if the Nice Guy isn’t.

The Good Girl is simply the FI reflection of the Nice Guy. Same deal, different imperative”

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American paradise

I used to cliff jump when I biked across the country.

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“That’s the main problem. When you can’t even imagine a different life you’ll never create one. You just numb out and go into survival mode.”

Huge issue I am dealing with

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@ Rollo – The Trees – Wonderful song, saw it performed in concert in 1979. Thanks for bringing it up here. @insanitybytes22 – There is no way men can be women and there is no way women can be men. The fundamental effort of feminism is to force society to get women to perform as men, to get females to duplicate male performance. Feminisim seeks to move man out of woman’s way hoping that in his absence she will perform the same as he. Feminists and other neurotic delusional man haters fallaciously assume man is occupying space that woman is… Read more »

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Vulpine, I’m with you on your lifestyle. About 50% of the people I socialize with are living at various points on the off the grid spectrum. They’re a lot happier than the materialistic 9-5ers and their kids are a lot calmer, kinder, smarter, more mature and a whole helluva lot healthier, less fat and better looking. The girls and women living more natural lifestyles are much prettier with no makeup and frills than all the 9-5ers with their chemical face cake and ridiculous get-ups. The boys and men are fit and muscular. Over the last decade I’ve met more and… Read more »

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Good stuff Vulpine. I said some of this in the last thread but it was like 8 pages deep so again – we have to make a lot of compromises to live an urban, moneyed, or high-status lifestyle. Unsustainable food systems and synthetic forms of exercise are some of those compromises. I wouldn’t like to make an absolute binary out of it, but it’s always been my intuition to do real things instead of fake things – run to transport myself, not to ‘exercise;’ build muscle digging potato rows, not lifting weights. And I think it’s very valuable to at… Read more »

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“That’s the main problem. When you can’t even imagine a different life you’ll never create one. You just numb out and go into survival mode.”

Huge issue I am dealing with

We tend to create a life centered around our view of ourselves or how we imagine ourselves.

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“The closest men can come to performing as females is through homosexuality and transgenderism both of which are also abnormal distortions and certainly not feminine. They only engender more confusion and frustration. ” For now at least. But the Manosphere is all about this in the works “artificial womb” technology. You can bet your bottom dollar that transwomen will be the first to get their hands on that. And it won’t be too long after that the womb will actually be able to be implanted inside the body of the transwoman. Also, keep your eye open for more and more… Read more »

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Here is your troll biscuit for the day.

Yale failed to teach you a lot about the real world. One of their most obvious failures was that they failed to teach you if something isn’t broken it doesn’t need to be fixed. In fact much of “higher education” teaches “pretend its broken so maybe someone will believe you and hire you to fix it”

BS PHD = Bull Shit Piled Higher and Deeper !!

Academic pontification will never out perform the genius of common sense.

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@MYG “Over the last decade I’ve met more and more people giving up the mainstream to grow at least some of their own food, homeschool and ditch the non-essentials.” This is nothing new and I am not surprised that you are attempting to impress yourself with this There was a significant “movement” (like a bowel movement) back in the 60’s involving many slackers wishing for an easy life, pretending that if they lived off the land “in harmony” with nature and themselves they would reach nirvana. It was really a cop out and involved a proclaimed effort to move “back… Read more »

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MS = More of the Same.

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@Forge the sky “A lot of people are very unaware of how very deep into economic and social systems they are embedded. I don’t think a choice to pursue a high-income, high-tech urban life is the wrong choice; my problem is when it’s not a choice at all, when the man can’t imagine anything else.” Yeah… Paradox humor and change @Vulpine description Building better words Alpha is a mindset This is the one guy I used to look to and respect heavily. I love every part about cody because I feel he’s becoming a remnant of what males used to… Read more »

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@Jeremy,

Over 200 comments before the first troll might be some kind of a record. It was great while it lasted (until 11:50 a.m). Now 4 in the last hour or so…
Hey Mad Yale Gash nobody cares.

@Blaximus,

Hope you don’t mind I stole your ” Fair is where they judge pigs” line almost immediately and used it on one of the guys in the office today.

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@longgone,

I stole that Pigs line so long ago I don’t even remember where I swiped it from.

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Regarding Trans Genderism as a precurser to Trans Humanism, many articles have already been written about it. The general rationale is as follows… Daniel Fincke: You have an interest in transhumanism that you have blogged about. I am interested in how this at all related to your thoughts on transgenderism. I am sympathetic to transhumanists because I am a moral perfectionist who thinks in terms of the highest good being our fulfillment of human excellences. A lot of people though, when they think of moral perfectionism or transhumanism have a strongly negative association with things as extreme as genocidal eugenics.… Read more »

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sifrellc, I’m fairly sure you are someone I’ve respected since way back, and live “just over there”. But, I am compelled to demonstrate my genuine desire for people to stop wasting their lives and resources in a non-binary way… You do know that deer will feed themselves without you needing to plant them a garden, right? Much less 10 of them? Do you buy corn and and a feeder to keep those poor, dear, bambis alive when it’s gets so cold through the winter? They’ll eat pine needles, maple sapling’s buds/twigs, carrion, tree bark, whatever, all winter long if it’s… Read more »

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insanitybytes, you’d better shield your sensitive eyes here. I’m gonna use some bad words and a bunch of thoughts that will run counter to your worldview and possibly strike you with fear and loathing and what-not. You know, I try not to let too much bother me. Even stuff that annoys the living shit out of me, sometimes teaches me something. I try not to ” hate ” behaviors as much as understand them. I try to maintain a level of respect for people’s individual rights. Having said that, In the context of Male/Female relationships, what the flying fuck does… Read more »

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Heteronormative. Priceless.

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I hear about a transgender study about a month ago that mentioned the high rate of suicide.

It’s a shame.

I blame, wholeheartedly, the mechanics that literally push people who may be a bit confused into a lifestyle that could end up being a deathstyle.

Add to that the shaming of the population to be ” understanding ” and not ( choose one – hateful, homophobic, genderphobic, judgemental ).

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… I’m looking at you Bruce Jenner.

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Rollo, do you actually think I’m arguing in favor of Transgenderism? Seriously? Go back and read what I wrote. Its a planned precursor to ease us into Transhumanism. The singularity. Sheesh.

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@Vulpine I like your ideas and I resonate with all you are saying. I know Rollo respects your comments. But you got my narrative all wrong. I bought a former brace beagle-ing club filled with tremendously good habitat, because most of it was planted since the day I was born and that club grounds was born. I bought it because I could. It is rural and in the middle of pretty much no where. It is my sanctuary. I love botany, gardening, nature and adventure. It gives me a venue for that. I am opposed to and do not bait… Read more »

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MYG said:”..Also, keep your eye open for more and more media talk regarding “transhumanism”. Transgenderism is just here to ease us into a much bigger shift in science, technology and what we perceive as possible.”

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I suggest we all step back from ” media talk ” or you may wind up transhumanist or some other made up nonsense.

A shift in science? No. A shit in science, yeah.

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Transhumanism is applying high technology to human biology to increase cognitive and physical performance, as well as longevity. Is this the first you’ve heard of it? It overlaps with bio-engineering.

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@MYG,
You mean Terminators?

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That’s it. Skynet must be destroyed.

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I know a couple of guys that practice Transmissionism. They work at Aamco.

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“You mean Terminators?”

Never seen it, but maybe. Today’s science does often read like yesteryear’s science fiction.

“Been around since the 60’s MYG, and they’re still trying to define posthuman”

Well the future is now. Bio-technology is booming.

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Softek Come on man. Start simple. Take care of yourself physically. Do something for us, the commentariat at TRM. Spend the next two weeks thinking about something, anything to distract yourself from your current crippling anxiety. Since you have nothing to lose, you have everything to gain. Don’t drink alcohol for two weeks. You will be more clearheaded. You need to have REM sleep (Rapid Eye Movement sleep) in order to dream. Dreaming will allow your subconscious mind to process the demon thoughts. It will then be able to handle your waking anxiety and fears because your brain processed and… Read more »

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“Eat well for two weeks. Avoid some of your bad habits for two weeks. Talk to someone. Ask someone to do you a favor. Tell someone else in real life you need a little bit of help. Do something for them and allow them to help you. Get some exercise even if you are fatigued after work. Take a long walk or other exercise and tire your self out, so you are physically tired and want to fall in bed and sleep. Then don’t drink for two weeks and get some rest. Don’t spiral. Do the best you can at… Read more »

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…you mean terminators?

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Forgot to add: take a shower between now and June 1st. It will make you feel better.

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@Rollo
“Transhumanism: “I’ve evolved a consciousness that’s risen above the base biological motivators of the human condition. Pass me another burrito supreme would you?”
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hnx7_2H2z44

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I’m profoundly not surprised that someone doesn’t understand the male experience.

http://therationalmale.com/2013/09/10/the-male-experience/

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I think people who feel they were born the wrong species is a flavor of submissive. I think the people who find it appealing are people who have been conditioned since childhood to feel like a lesser being and are so terrified of being a full responsible adult that the idea of being an animal feels like a worthy escape. This guy qualifies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWycuaWJFCM Watch the documentaries on him, watch him go deeper into insanity in his own videos. Best clip ever of watching a man demonstrate insanity… The clip where he gets into a river near a grizzly bear… Read more »

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I always thought Grizzly Man was gonna get iced by a grizzly. When it happened, I said, ” but of course a bear killed him “. It was one of his friends.

Same with Steve Irwin, messing around with animals that can kill you.

Mental Illness.

It doesn’t matter if it makes you famous. Charles Manson is/was famous.

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The smart man surrounds himself with ‘man’s best friends.’

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And they can go feral on you if you don’t exercise mastery.

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@sjfrellc I’m not a troll. I’m not one of those genius smart guys, I just worked really hard on school. I went to a big great undergrad, was in a top frat, and I really do have high value and high Smv even without the med school thing. I’m an athlete. Basically I’m not a loser I do have high Smv. I almost lost it when my gf in college blind sided my (very beta personality with her) self. I obsessed over it, all I could think about. Now I don’t care tho. My oneitis transferred to another very cute… Read more »

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“Decades later they are surrounded by 4 grown children and 5 grandchildren who love them more than anything so they did something right.”

My Lebanese neighbour has something in the order of 16 grandchildren and 10 great grandchildren with more to come.

At over 90 she’s holed up in some nursing home by herself…

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Basically I wanted to tell my most recent girl who I havent talked to in a while the truth: that I enjoyed the time with her, and I would love to be with her. The career path that I want to be successful in is just going to make that almost impossible. Like I said, I was scared of being vulnerable, but now it’s making me depressed or something. I just hope this whole following my path and med school thing is all going to work out. b/c I feel like I’m losing/missing opportunities to be with great girls that… Read more »

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@Ghosts of Jefferson I had to go back through our interchange from the beginning to try and figure out what the hell you are talking about..as in whats your issue with what I said. This is pretty much what I came up with, lemme know if I am close. You said: “Morality and value judgements are inherent in our awareness as higher beings, and even you, in looking down on the notion of value judgements, are yourself exercising them.” My response to what became TL;DR: You are free to consider yourself whatever higher being you wish. You can feel free… Read more »

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“Equalism makes the sexes adversaries, whereas complementarity makes them symbiotic partners.” Like, duh?? I have been aware of that my entire life. Do you not understand that your presentation of red pill ideology does the precise same thing as equalism and creates an adversarial relationship between the sexes? So Tomassi, I said that many men hear what you a have to say and completely confuse power and control over their own selves with power and control over women. You than refer me to a post on betas and possessive behavior. Well, no kidding, I’m already well aware of that fact,… Read more »

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The troll comment was a capricious joke added to the end of my comment to imply that you have not read The Rational Male. Please do yourself a favor. Rollo has the right description for what you will face. Stop trying to write your own prescription before you are a full fledged physician. “So I guess take it as a learning experience? I’m struggling to accept that.” [“The Kübler-Ross model, or the five stages of grief, is a series of emotional stages experienced by survivors of an intimate’s death, wherein the five stages are denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.”]… Read more »

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@ sjfrellc The biggest hurdle for me is definitely social. I lost my best friend of 7 years back in September and since then it’s been a downward spiral. Usually I’m all over nutrition. I read a LOT every single day of all kinds of things. My usual diet is mostly brown rice, fruit, pea/rice protein, slow-cooked tough cuts of beef, sweet potatoes and regular potatoes, cheese and fruit juice here and there. For probiotics I make my own water kefir and also make my own sauerkraut on a regular basis. I’ve been doing gymnastics training on my own for… Read more »

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“Do you honestly believe you are building a better world by encouraging such outright hostility and contempt for women? Do you believe that men benefit from being told that love is not real? Do you think it is healthy to endlessly encourage men to dehumanize women? Whether you intend to do those things are not, that is the end result as evidenced by your comment sections.” I developed red pill awareness from the Manosphere. I honed my knowledge of married man game in large part to Rollo’s essays. I understood my wife’s instincts better and came realize it was me… Read more »

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“What is your impressions of my honest (I’m not lying) comments Ms. Insanity?”

I think it was quite lovely and precisely the kind of answer I was hoping for.

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@ Insanity Do you get mad at your dog for shitting on the carpet? Your power drill for not working? No woman is “human” in the sense of an emotional matrix based on forward thought. But you don’t hate them for it, thats pointless. Instead you learn to love them in spite of their….being found wanting. You then incorporate them into your life as you would any proper asset (but in this case something more resembling animal husbandry). As it is, as it has always been. (well, except for the anomalous last 60 years of peak woman). Is this helpful… Read more »

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“….Although I think ironically it would be easier to connect with guys and other people in non-sexual relationships…. ” That’s not ironic, Softek, it is what you should pursue as if your life depended on it. Go read Jack Donovan’s the Way of Men and develop Strength, Courage, Mastery and Honor (AMONG MEN). And go out and tell a guy in real life you need some help. Fuck thinking women are going to give a shit the way you are right now. I’n the future you will have something to offer a woman. And not getting laid never killed anyone,… Read more »

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“I think it was quite lovely and precisely the kind of answer I was hoping for.” So how do you figure Rollo taught me that after I was flailing away for 10 years (prior to the last two years) because Social Conventions and the Feminine Imperative could have helped my life swirl down a toilet? No one else in society was able to accurately describe the true nature of Man (the way Jack Donovan could) or the true nature of woman (like Rollo Tomassi could in The Rational Male) and left to my own devices I would have failed two… Read more »

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“So what do you think of the-male-experience essay, Insanity?”m

It seemed perfect reasonable to me, nothing all that surprising. I do think Tomassi focuses entirely too much on female solipsism and I think he fails to realize that women are far more capable of empathy then he imagines. Women who don’t empathize with men have been indoctrinated and trained not to. It is not natural to us.

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Here is an EASTERN PERSPECTIVE: I agree on the foolishness of the 50%-50% equalist financial split argument (that quite a few American MGTOWs make) with you guys given politically I am a Market Anarchist and understand fundamentals like division of labor, – but OTOH there is an argument to be made that it should be a symbiotic relationship. My point of view is as someone who grew up in a non Western tradcon culture and has even seen joint families (not just nuclear families) in the villages of my country. With technological advancement eliminating drudgeries of primitive life, is it… Read more »

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A lot of what I’ve learned in this community has hurt to learn. I’ve felt a lot of anguish over all the time I lost with terrible advice that didn’t reflect reality. I’m incredibly discouraged that as I become a better, more patient man with women, the odds of my finding a good long term partner haven’t increased. But the anger I felt at women as a whole is gone. The anger I would feel at individual women for their inexplicable behavior is gone because I finally understand it. Understanding brings peace in men, even if they’re initially angry about… Read more »

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“Pill makes men violent? Shut the fuck outta here.” In the olden days we had codes of honor and men would police other men’s behavior. It wasn’t women that men were seeking to impress, but rather other men. Men had reputations to uphold. Today people’s word means nothing and you get far more approval for doing something shocking and offensive then you do for having any honor. Much like feminism provides women permission and encouragement to treat men with contempt, red pill ideology often encourages men to treat women with contempt. So yes, many men do take red pill ideology… Read more »

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@sjfrellc Your words resonate with me, so I hope you’re legit ha. Questions: What do you mean learn everything about shit testing? Do you mean in terms of gaming girls? Or for my medical career–shit testing in the environment and people in medical career? I have high Smv and game. Obviously always practicing. So I recognize shit tests when I see them. Also, I’ll be about 29 when I graduate med school. i know that is relatively so so young still. But I want to be able to have sex and intimate relationships with these younger petite 21-24 year olds… Read more »

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Also, what is up with the beautiful couples 23-26 year old that are my friends getting married?

I’m kinda jealous b/c their lives seem so smooth sailing and pretty. Good friends of mine

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…like….where the f did I go wrong….
Ha

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“Don’t you realize your blue sky gives them permission to think they’re all worthless WHORES?!!!”

Men Tomassi, men seem to think they’re worthless. Women are just collateral damage in a bunch of games played by men who believe they themselves have no value.

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@Rollo

I’m still trying to puzzle where she gets “hate” of what I just said.

@insanity

Men here don’t hate you because you’re a woman. They hate you because you’re stupid and you have no reading comprehension.

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@Tilikum Do you get mad at your dog for shitting on the carpet? Your power drill for not working? No woman is “human” in the sense of an emotional matrix based on forward thought. But you don’t hate them for it, thats pointless. Instead you learn to love them in spite of their….being found wanting. Pretty much exactly this. Insanity has an unhealthy fear of males, to the point of being afraid of men learning the truth of female mindsets. She cannot comprehend that males love women almost innately. In fact DNA has selected it to be so. She’s projecting… Read more »

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@Sun Wukong

They hate you because you’re stupid and you have no reading comprehension.

Hate is a strong word, pity is more accurate. When we’re not feeling pity, we’re annoyed because so often her fingers fly without engaging what functional reason centers of the brain she has.

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“Men here don’t hate you because you’re a woman. They hate you because you’re stupid and you have no reading comprehension.” Since you don’t know me and I am not stupid, what you are really doing is looking for an excuse to hate me. Why do you hate me? Because I am a woman and you hate all women. But you don’t really hate women at all, you hate your own self. “Insanity has an unhealthy fear of males, to the point of being afraid of men learning the truth of female mindsets.” I have no fear of males at… Read more »

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on May 13th, 2015 at 12:34 am:

Men are scary, Tomassi. They are scary when they stab you 32 times. They are scary when they pour boiling water on you or leave you in a shallow grave somewhere. They are scary when they shoot their wives and babies in the head. Do you not know these things??

on May 21st, 2015 at 12:53 am:

I have no fear of males at all

Off your bipolar meds again I see?

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Jeremy, the stupid just bores me. Men are scary. I have no fear of men because I found a good one many years ago and I am not vulnerable there. Is that too complex of an idea for you? Too challenging of a paradox? Men are scary. I personally am not scared of men.

However, you guys are obviously once again unwilling to address my concerns, so whatever and enjoy yourselves.

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Attention Rollo Tomassi: This Will commentator might have a chance to make it through triage. He has Game, he says. If he can only make it through medical school and more importantly hurry up (in the next 12 to 18 months) and get some Red Pill Awareness I actually think he might make it. @Will: “Also, I’ll be about 29 when I graduate med school. i know that is relatively so so young still. But I want to be able to have sex and intimate relationships with these younger petite 21-24 year olds still. I don’t want to miss out… Read more »

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“Hate is a strong word, pity is more accurate.” But now is the time to become entirely indifferent.

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@Insanity

I am not stupid

Correction: you think you’re not. You’ve repeatedly confirmed my suspicion that you are.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Here’s why you think you’re not stupid.

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@Insanity For the record, I’ve dealt with both female and male violence against me throughout my life. The female version is far scarier; women don’t know when to quit because unlike men, they’ve not learned there’s consequences for violent behavior. Indeed society takes great pains to make it clear female violence will never be penalized as heavily as male violence. My mother beat me so savagely that I had to make excuses at school the next few days. My father, for all his rage and violent behavior, never beat me or my mother that badly. So from a man who’s… Read more »

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Sun Wukong you guys are a bunch of self loathing weak minded men who do nothing but wallow in your own perceived victimization like a bunch of whiny cowards. I’m nobody’s cunt, bitch, or psychotic mother and I don’t appreciate your insults and misdirected rage. Blow it out your freaking ego.

Also male solipsism is a real thing in world. Suck it up buttercup, you ain’t the only bit of roadkill in the world. Time to grow up and get over your damn self.

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You know I do give all the trolls on this board credit for one thing: it’s impressive to see that people can still type with their heads buried so far up their own asses.

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