The Rational Process

 

One of the most vexing things a lot of Red Pill aware men encounter when they interact with women today is the expectation that women are coequally as rational agents as men. We were taught from the earliest ages by our blank-slate equalist teachers that boys and girls are all the same, having coequal potential for coequal successes in life (as they define them), then primarily focusing on the ‘correct’, female way of educating both sexes. This education isn’t limited to just the classroom; the Village uses many ways (media, pop culture, religion, etc.) to deliver what is fundamentally the same message – boys and girls, men and women, are essentially, effectively, the same with respect to their potentials. Now, that’s the message not the practice. Even when they are forced to recognize definitive differences they simply dismiss them by saying “We’re more alike than different” in the presumption that this should be enough to refocus and reinforce their blank-slate belief set.

So when men and women consider differences in gender, differences in double standards, inequalities in gender-specific issues and pretty much any empirical debate about these and other differences, men presume that the women they are ‘debating’ with are also looking for earnest, equitable answers beginning from the same coequal state of mutual interest. This is almost never the case.

The pretense that’s been embedded into men from the earliest years of their Blue Pill conditioning is since men and women are coequal agents they should both be interested in finding an objective truth together. But the frustration in this ‘debate’ comes from the simple fact that our differences are actually much more significant than the dismissals of equalists would want them to be. The roots of this deliberate misunderstanding are twofold: First, the innate solipsistic self-interest of women, and second, women’s predisposition to interpret information using the Emotional (versus Rational) interpretive processes.

When men and women debate intersexual issues of contention men opt for their innately preferred Rational interpretive process; we look for factual evidence to support a premise. Women opt for the Emotional process and then consider evidence. This difference in processing is where a lot of personal and ideological obstacles come into play between men and women. Our educational priorities of both men and women prioritizes the importance of emotion and its expression before a consideration of the Rational process. We teach boys/men to sublimate their natural proclivity towards reason by replacing it with the Emotional process. Thus, we’ve seen the push to encourage men to get in touch with their feelings or their feminine sides since the late 60s.

As I mentioned last week, women prioritize context (how a conversation makes them feel) in communication while men prioritize content (the information of the conversation); these differences are part of our biological/neurological evolved inheritances. This is where the misunderstanding starts between the sexes; however, calling this a ‘misunderstanding’ is a bit of a misnomer.

I’m sure a lot of readers think this is a longwinded way of saying women’s emotions blind them to the facts that men present to them when they debate. While this is true in a sense, this is shortsighted because, in the interests of simplifying things, most guys will just blow off the dynamics that build up this (often deliberate) miscommunication. Women don’t like the way a Rational-prioritized conversation makes them feel. Often the reality is unflattering to their solipsistically defined egos – but the communication feels wrong because women’s presumption is that men should just know to acknowledge their feelings in that debate (all communication really). On the female side the presumption is that men and women, being blank-slate equals, already know to prioritize the Emotional process, while on the male side men presume women will prioritize the Rational process because, again, we’re all the same, right?

This presuming that one sex sees the same way as the other is endemic in our time. I had a reader pose me with a similar example:

I had a conversation with my LTR at dinner tonight where I did a thought exercise with her. I asked her to imagine what it would be like if people visually saw different colors when they looked at various objects but had consistent names for those colors in their own minds. For example, person A sees what person B calls Blue, but it looks like what would be called green if person A could peer into person B’s mind. The point was we can’t know what colors actually look like from an individual subjective perspective. Although I tried several times to walk through this, she couldn’t comprehend what I was trying to explain. I then realized that this exercise involved imagining a first person conscious experience from multiple perspectives. This test could be a proxy test for (women’s) solipsism.

This thought experiment is a good way to illustrate solipsism in women, but it’s an even better example of the default presumptions men and women have of each other in other areas. As it stands today, in our feminine-primary social order, the Blue Pill conditions us to default to cognitive models that are defined by the female experience. Thus, whatever best satisfies a female-primary purpose is always considered the correct purpose. The way women think, the way women prioritize their Emotional interpretive process, is the right way for men to think – and the mutual presumption is that men already do (or should) think and process stimuli like women do. Anything else, anything that would recognize a difference in men from women, always feels wrong.

This default presumption of a female-correct way of interpreting and experiencing the world isn’t limited to our differences in communication. This misalignment of interpretive differences also extends to the false presumption that men and women approach the concept of love from a mutually understood perspective. Men love idealistically, women love opportunistically, yet men’s presumption is that both men and women approach love from the Disneyesque idealism they believe women are capable of. Men too believe that women see the same colors they do and have the same names for those colors. In this case those colors are the concepts and approaches women have towards love. I may write a new essay outlining this dynamic soon, but I’ve already written many prior posts on this experiential difference.

Rationalism vs. The Rational Process

As a result of pushing the Emotional process as the correct way of interpreting our world the Rational process necessarily gets demonized today. It feels wrong to a social order predicated on the Emotional process, so the truths that the Rational process reveals seem cruel, biased or vindictive when they refute the interpretations of the Emotional process. The importance of Emotion has been elevated above an interpretive process to where it’s now entered a metaphysical realm. This is where the Emotional process becomes Emotionalism. In the light of this, the Rational process is overshadowed and sublimated in importance. But the Rational process is what exposes emotionalism for what it is: Emotion is an evolved, biological interpretive process that serves our species well, but the feelings it generates are biological responses to environmental stimuli, not evidence of some higher consciousness or mythic existential importance that goes beyond anything in the physical realm.

The Rational process throws a cold bucket of truth on lofty emotionalism. As a result, and because emotionalism has been a basis of our social order for millennia now, the Rational process had to be debased in importance.

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and do not lean on your own understanding. – Proverbs 3:5

This scripture is an example of the conflict between emotionalism and the rationalism that popular social consciousness would like to apply to the Rational interpretive process. The Rational process is based in our collective and subjective intelligence. Healthy men and women both have the mental hardware to use the Rational process well, but where we differ is in our gendered mental firmware. When we collectively prefer one process to the other, this is where we decide which gender’s process will define our social order. In order for emotionalism to supersede rationality and ensure its preeminence appeals to the emotional above the rational have to be popularized.

If we could depend on an unbiased, unadulterated form of reason the Rational process would be a superior methodology. But as I stated before, rationalism is dependent on intelligence and that intelligence takes time. In some ways the Rational process is sensitive to both instinct and emotion, in other’s that reasoning is painfully, sometimes fatally slow. The world happens fast and vacillating in the reasoning process might easily kill an individual. Fortunately we have instinct and emotion to carry us through. The Rational process requires time because it requires learning, contemplation, theorizing and any number of high-order thinking processes to be effective. And even then, that effectiveness depends on reasoning’s accuracy. For the past three or four hundred years we’ve increasingly had the luxury to develop our Rational process, but for all the advancements it’s given us, when it comes to intersexual dynamics emotion is still the priority.

We have placed such importance on emotion at the expense of reason that we’ll risk personal safety in our ‘right’ to express it. No doubt most men are familiar with repressing their emotional responses, but it’s interesting to consider that even with this self-control and even with our innate predilection to process emotion differently than women, men are the ones accused of failing to be ‘in touch with their emotions’. On first glance Robert Greene’s quote here appears to be wisdom (I think it is) – self-control, mastery of one’s emotional state, is a virtue. Yet, in our emotional-primary social order we’ll hear women complain that men are less emotionally available. And this conflict illustrates again that whatever is expedient to the female imperative is what is to be considered ‘correct’ at that moment.

Empiric reason is the foundation of what humanity has made of itself. Setting aside emotionality and considering challenges in a Rational interpretive process is fundamental to understanding the emotional and instinctive process and their advantages and weaknesses. For the record it’s my belief that all of these interpretive processes in union are are necessary elements in the human experience, but my focus on these processes is to lay a foundation for a better understanding of them. It’s easy to get caught up in the demonization of the instinctual and the rational when the emotional is defining what’s bad or good for our collective experiences.

When I wrote Appeals to Reason I was exploring the futility of expecting women to transition into a logical reasoning of why she should logically be with a guy who was more than happy to embody all of the aspects she stated she wants in a man. The manosphere idiom is “no woman was ever reasoned or logicked into bed with a guy”, women don’t follow the Rational process when it comes to interrelating with men. It’s all Instinctual and Emotional, and usually in that order. A man might be able to use his rational facilities to better understand women’s evolved instinctual and emotional responses, and what prompts them, but reason itself isn’t the key to that interrelation.

Appealing to women’s logic and relying on deductive reasoning to sort it out is the calling card of a Beta mind. There is nothing more anti-seductive for women than appealing to her reason. Arousal, attraction, sexual tension, subcommunication of desire, all happen indirectly and below the social surface for women. It’s not that women are incapable of reasoning (hypergamy is one logical bitch) or are crippled by their emotion-based hindbrains, it’s that if you’re asking her how to be more attractive you don’t Get It. It’s in the doing, not the asking.

If you’ve stuck with me to the end of this series I want to say thanks. I really felt that these interpretive processing models needed to be fully outlined as what I’ll get into in the coming months will need this as a basis for it.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Your plan to tame alphas while keeping them attractive enough to fuck will work like your plan to create fried ice.

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It’s a bo-t.

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Yes, a bot.
But a bot that can’t even go full-ramis.
What use is a semi-ramis?

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Definitely not a bot made in the USA.
Outsourcing ruins everything.

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Now the semi-ram bot is answering its own posts.
We have nothing to fear from Chinese technology.

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Bots. Lol, Rollo’s gonna smite you and it will be like you were never even here.

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Ab17 I take your point, but I’d never say a spec force dude is full of shit, even if I disagree with him. Yes, there might be many young men that disagree with military service, but there are many young men that disagree with a whole bunch of masculine pursuits, and military service is just another item on the list. Local towns around me are having more and more difficulty even fielding sports teams/programs because so many young men have no interest or ability. As a whole, in average, we are becoming weaker and weaker, and that is always a… Read more »

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The author of the novel MASH hated the TV show, because it was anti-war. He wasn’t anti-war, he was anti-army.

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“Bots. Lol, Rollo’s gonna smite you and it will be like you were never even here.”

If semi is smitten I hope he’ll delete my posts too.
I’d prefer not to stand alone complaining about a bot with only a semi-ramis.

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I’ve seen the Blue Angels a number of times (and they’ve seen me. Seems only fair) and the Thunderbirds a few times, but one of the most impressive things I’ve seen was a couple of warthog pilots practicing flying treetop level . . . over the Berkshires. As they wheeled round and round they maintained their constant height over the rather chaotic ground and looked like there was a solid rod between their wingtips while they did it.

It was awesome.

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” . . . how did I know what Tomassi looked like while driving his truck on Twitter? ”

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“we are becoming weaker and weaker, and that is always a very dangerous place to be.”

We’ve been at peace for too long:

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“Peace never did appeal to the human race. What it wants is Adventure. The human race is eternally young. Youth will have its way. The young man does not want to be safe. He wants to take a chance. He wants to play the game.”

https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/manvotional-a-craving-for-danger/

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“I’m ready for my close up!”

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lol. Probably not original but peace is like girls with nice guys. That’s what they all say they want (yeah some girls are more honest than others), when in reality, we all know they actually crave the bad boys (war/chaos)

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Peterson: ““Half the men fail,” he says, meaning that they don’t procreate. “And no one cares about the men who fail.” I laugh, because it is absurd. “You’re laughing about them,” he says, giving me a disappointed look. “That’s because you’re female.” But aside from interventions that would redistribute sex, Mr. Peterson is staunchly against what he calls “equality of outcomes,” or efforts to equalize society. He usually calls them pathological or evil. He agrees that this is inconsistent. But preventing hordes of single men from violence, he believes, is necessary for the stability of society. Enforced monogamy helps neutralize… Read more »

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When you quote something, you should actually reference it. I read that article in The New York Times on JBP by Nellie Bowles. She drips musty adjectives, but cannot conclude or bring to a conclusion any logical viewpoint from the Feminine Imperative. She just describes what she sees, thinking that her feminist readers will come to their own conclusions. Good luck with that Nellie. Typical of the idea that if you engage in group-think, group think will prevail. She’s a bit out of her element, which is covering technology. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/18/style/jordan-peterson-12-rules-for-life.html (if the NYT won’t let you read because you exceeded… Read more »

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I was recharging my batteries today after battling with some firewood rounds stuck on the growing grass in the backyard of my clubhouse “smallholding” (as British Palmasailor calls it) the last two days. I’m at least on my 4th cigar. I was reading Cigar Afficionado’s latest issue about Winston Churchill and his portrayal by Gary Oldman in the 2017 film Darkest Hour. Great stuff. Churchill was a resolute bastard. So I sat on my beautiful patio today and watched the Darkest Hour film on my Chromebook in beautiful weather. It was good. Real good. Churchill operated with courage, candor and… Read more »

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Oh, I forgot the quote that ended the film:

Success is not final, failure is not fatal. It’s the courage to continue that counts. –Churchill

Hey, cue Teddy Roosevelt and The Man in the Arena speech…

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I am Karen; Daughter of Satan.

Big deal. It’s not like there’s a shortage of those.

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@ theasdgamer I think what you are talking about are desirable women—the 20% using my junk math. By the way the wife hasn’t maintained her close female friends and doesn’t generally like to hang with a herd of women. I realize that I am never going to be able to provide a convincing argument for the existence of the unicorn-bitch. To most here to make such a claim makes me cipher returning to the matrix and say it’s blue pill thinking. Then again a lot of the guys here believe in [insert name of favorite deity]. All I can say… Read more »

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What are the odds JPB wont end up scapegoating the Red Pillers? They’ve already co-opted our brand and there’s no shortage of chodes who wont just eat and digest the Actual Red Pill. He’s done just about everything BUT that in that article link a couple of feet above.

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“What are the odds JPB wont end up scapegoating the Red Pillers?” Odds are good. Rollo should take some of Robert Greene’s advice on the use of power and get a better agent. Rollo does the 21 speech, Peterson fills the Filmore in Detroit. What do you want to do with your 50 year old potential, Rollo? You’ve done the hard work, written the gospel, now is the time to take it to the streets and endure the wailing and teeth gnashing of the MSM, if they don’t disappear you first. I see nothing Peterson has that Rollo hasn’t other… Read more »

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“What are the odds JPB wont end up scapegoating the Red Pillers?” How so? Jordan Peterson hasn’t put blame to Red Pillers. Unless you count nihilistic, lost boy red-pillers. His message is self accountability to the fault of excessive blue pill self-sacrifice. He obviously stands separate from Red Pill. For all intents and purposes he might be blind to the fact of what Rollo’s Red Pill is (including enlightened self interest) and lumps it into PUA and deceitful Game. And he’s voiced that. So if he wants to blame Red Pill for stuff, he’s mistaken. And The Red Pill is… Read more »

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Yollo Comanche – the underlying idea informing JBP’s spiel on gender issues, as sorta outlined by the NYT article, to my mind is this: For the humans species, (and many many other species actually) women are actually the agents that perform the status-sorting operations (despite what JBP, and mostly everybody else, says about men being the ones concerned about status) – yes for many many men, that is true, but …… though men are concerned about achieving status, note that the cultural judgments around what ‘achieving status’ is defined as, is arbitrated by the fairer sex). So it is more… Read more »

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The majority of Red Pill men are Co-Dependent? How so? Not hardly. That’s just psychological projection of your endlessly leaning into the Feminine, Wild Man. It is your opinion. You have your broad brush painting alleged Red Pill men that are still in stages of unplugging as such, not those that are in Acceptance of Red Pill and use Red Pill as a praxeology successfully for their own sexual strategy. From the Red Pill Reddit: Red Pill – The recognition and awareness of the way that feminism, feminists and their white-knight enablers affect society. An awareness of the dark truths… Read more »

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So it is more accurate to instead say that women are actually more-so ‘concerned about status’, ….. because women’s role is to confer status,

This is true and not true. Status can come totally from internal mindset. Women will buy whatever you think your status is.

And your statement only applies to the current FI-dominated context. It wouldn’t apply to a patriarchal society where women have much less influence and power. Under patriarchy, men determine whom women have sex with. Fathers give daughters in marriage. Eloping is a capital offense. Women are always chaperoned.

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Psychopathy is a pathological psychic deficiency despite what many would like to believe otherwise

Jejeune man, it’s an advantage to not let yourself be shackled by social constraints or your own emotions. But it’s your right to stay shackled by the Matrix and by your emotions if you choose.

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Men and women both seek status, but what they consider status markers is cognate with their sexual strategies. Cats don’t care much about bones. Dogs don’t care much about styrofoam peanuts.

And thus they will tend to think the other isn’t as concerned about status and are just wasting time and money on shit that doesn’t matter. Men are from Yamaha. Women are from Ethan Allen.

@ASD:

You’ve mentioned only second order phenomena of patriarchy and left out the first order, defining characteristic.

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3) The western virtue ethic best captures the precepts that allows one to see the ‘truth’ of # 1 and #2, despite what many would like to believe otherwise.

#1: Straw Man

#2 False premise

#3 Non-sequitur.

Good luck with that naively optimistic. unrealistic viewpoint of your anachronistic Western Virtue Ethic.

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Hi SJF – thanks for the comment I’m gonna answer the broader question – ‘What is your inter-gender strategy in dealing with women? Is it working? If no, how could it be made better?’ – because it is the question more the point I was making in comment above. My inter-gender strategy is maintaining a frame of mind whereby I refuse to kneejerk towards seeing women as being disadvantaged by way of inferior self-agency, normatively, ….. as that is just another way to excuse women for their responsibility avoidance tactics. Which really isn’t quite ‘responsibility avoidance’ anyways, given that the… Read more »

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‘What is your inter-gender strategy in dealing with women?’ I see what you did there. Figures….deflection. ‘Be gone, with her then, is the way I look at it.’ So what your are saying is: full on Already Gone? Next? …The letter that you wrote me made me stop and wonder why But I guess you felt like you had to set things right Just remember this, my girl, when you look up in the sky You can see the stars and still not see the light (that’s right) And I’m already gone And I’m feelin’ strong I will sing this… Read more »

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“Another option would be to be attractive and generate sexual desire” You are still missing the point SJF – after all these years and years of you wondering about the issue. The solution is to stop caring about ‘being attractive’ and ‘generating sexual desire’. That’s the sublime quandary -eh? If you try in the way you prescribe in that statement – you fall right into the submissive or subservient frame. Can’t you see that? And that’s not actually attractive to the female – eh? Look – men are actually in the business of doing a reality-sorting-operation. That is the competition… Read more »

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“No. I can’t see that.” So …. a big part of your identity is your value, especially your sexual value, in the yes of women? Identity is contingent on beliefs. Change your belief (which often is anxiety-provoking because of this relationship of ‘beliefs’ with ‘identity’), and you are on the road to changing your identity. Why not try it out? Maybe even as just a thought experiment. Go around for a week pretending you have no concern whatsoever what your sexual value may, or may not be, to women. Take the attitude – who cares? Especially in this wonky modern… Read more »

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‘ in the yes of women’

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‘in the eyes of women’

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You are still missing the point SJF – after all these years and years of you wondering about the issue. The solution is to stop caring about ‘being attractive’ and ‘generating sexual desire’. Just be your (Beta) self. Lol, fail. Wild Man, men have been trained to be unattractive to women. Being attractive to women is a biological constraint for mating. Being attractive to women is not ‘being submissive’, but recognizing the nature of biology.. Most men have to work at undoing their Beta training. Once you overcome your Beta training and achieve unconscious competence at being your natural alpha… Read more »

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‘Wild Man, men have been trained to be unattractive to women. Being attractive to women is a biological constraint for mating. Being attractive to women is not ‘being submissive’, but recognizing the nature of biology.. Most men have to work at undoing their Beta training. Once you overcome your Beta training and achieve unconscious competence at being your natural alpha self, then you don’t have to care about ‘being attractive’, because you will be attractive. See?’ asd – the thing is – I never ever once argued against your sentiment here. Ever. Yet the long-time commentariat here has always taken… Read more »

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“Yet the long-time commentariat here has always taken issue with my views. Now why would that be?” Because you don’t accept Red Pill and Game as a Superpower. And you come here and mentally masturbate. Trying to formulate a new paradigm, and making shit up as you go along. Trying to formulate things that have already been well formulated. Hat tip to Heartiste: Power, Approach, and Inhibition…. http://haas.berkeley.edu/faculty/papers/anderson/power,%20approach,%20and%20inhibition.pdf This article examines how power influences behavior. Elevated power is associated with increased rewards and freedom and thereby activates approach-related tendencies. Reduced power is associated with increased threat, punishment, and social constraint… Read more »

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WM — What do you mean, as a practical, nuts and bolts matter, when you say hold women accountable? What does this entail doing and not doing vis-a-vis a specific woman for a specific man. You haven’t said that yet.

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@Novaseeker

White Sharia.

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SJF – That CH article is very good one. Read the whole thing. The CH article in no way negates my premise – that men are actually in the competitive business of doing a reality-sorting-operation, and the women are actually in the competitive business of doing a status-sorting operation, by way of status-conferral upon the winners of that masculine competition, by way of feelz, by way of pinging on their feelz that arise by way of observing tells in the men’s demeanor. Of course this is what is going on. It is more than obvious. As a man, you can’t… Read more »

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‘”Psychopathy is a pathological psychic deficiency”

Yes. Less is more.

That’s why the beeffisted get the hottest babes, lumber through life happy and and, take note Wildman, are concise in their comments, you idol worshipping hypocrite.

You write volumes of nothing and gain that. Enjoy your inconsequentialality.

I’m taking SJFs lead and smoking cigars in the sun. You?

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” . . . he was living at the Dakota in Manhattan! ”

Phbbbbt, West Side.

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Prince Beta is one of the most pathetic cases of Oneitis I´ve ever seen. How can a man with plenty of options, in the beginning of the peak of his SMV could marry a post wall, divorced, feminist?

https://twitter.com/TheOldMorpheus/status/997844814254166019

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Indeed, I´ve noticed that Meghan became the poster girl for the “eat, pray, love” dynamic. We will see in the near future thousands of post wall women divorcing their husbands thinking that they can do better and land prince charming. Fuck you Harry!!!

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Lol. Be better. Don’t be afraid, he fucking better.

That is all.

…. Always is.

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…. That’s be fucking better.

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Maybe Rollo can get a moderator who can delete spam when he isn’t available.
Kind of stinks up a place.

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Yeah, this is whore-able….😂😂

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….spellchecker….😃😃😂😂😇😇

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I usually hold back what I’m storing
and place a troll on “ignoring”
If she’s really a whore
I would expect more
Why is she so f*cking boring?

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“In a nutshell, individual selection favors what we call sin and group selection favors virtue. The result is the internal conflict of conscience that afflicts all but psychopaths, estimated fortunately to make up only 1 to 4 percent of the population. The products of the opposing two vectors in natural selection are hardwired in our emotions and reasoning, and cannot be erased. Internal conflict is not a personal irregularity but a timeless human quality. No such conflict exists or can exist in an eagle, fox, or spider, for example, whose traits were born solely of individual selection, or a worker… Read more »

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“Human existence may be simpler than we thought. There is no predestination, no unfathomed mystery of life. Demons and gods do not vie for our allegiance. Instead, we are self-made, independent, alone, and fragile, a biological species adapted to live in a biological world. What counts for long-term survival is intelligent self-understanding, based upon a greater independence of thought than that tolerated today even in our most advanced democratic societies.”
― Edward O. Wilson, The Meaning of Human Existence

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Sounds like basic game theory/ incentive traps, SJF.
When something that is might be good for the individual (especially in the short term) is bad for the group as a whole. Doesn’t just apply to mate selection, it’s true of so many things. Pollution is an easy example.

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What trips up most guys not in the Acceptance phase of Red Pill is the cognitive dissonance of the Amorality of Game and the fact that is a praxeology. This conflict and seeming paradox is codified in No More Mr. Nice Guy by Robert Glover and initial side bar material for married red pill. It’s a primer on how to put your oxygen mask on first and not be a dick to your social group, including pair bonded mate, children and relatives, as well as your social group. It’s in having your own self interests met that you have more… Read more »

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@ Rollo

Disneyfication of intersexual dynamics…

https://twitter.com/Bbey__Love/status/997956189634859008

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Honestly are there no younger virgins that the prince could have married? A post wall woman and divorced? Her girl game is excellent or maybe his RP game is non-existent. Where was this guys father when this was going on?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1wVJmdVjos
Nothing beats self improvement

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” Honestly are there no younger virgins that the prince could have married? A post wall woman and divorced? Her girl game is excellent or maybe his RP game is non-existent. Where was this guys father when this was going on?” Serious question: What is it that you may think that is special about ” virgins ” in the United States or Britain? Prince Harry, at the end of the day, is just another swinging dick on planet earth. He did what lots of guys do all the time. There are no guarantees in marriage ( without some rp knowledge… Read more »

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Lol.

Men insist on trying to find the exceptions to the rules.

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( I can’t believe I posted pics of fucking Harry and his chicks. I’m slipping…)

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A virgin would have been perfect for his fairy tale ending. Instead he got an Eat, Prey, Love woman, which is not an exception to the rule. This story should have been about him optimizing his potential, but maybe this is all it can be. This has only been fuel to the fires of hypergamy and a new role-model was born.

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”Honestly are there no younger virgins that the prince could have married? A post wall woman and divorced?”

Forget virginity. Given the high probability that your marriage (in this day and age) will last <10 years, who would you rather spend those 10 years with?

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37 year old post wall divorced Markle (left) or 23 year old Markle (right)

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38 year old post wall divorced Jolie (age she married Brad Pitt) or 20 year old Jolie (age she married Jonny Lee Miller)

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@j Lol. Of course, the anser is none of the above. In this equality egalitarian-fueled culture RT has exhaustively exposed, I have come to the realization that there is only one situation where I think any modern man should consider marriage: – Your girl approaches you obviously nervous … after taking you to someplace nice out of town, state, country … after the amazingly expensive dinner and drinks she has reserved and paid for … she comes over to where you are sitting … gets down on one knee … looks up to you with wide-eyed hope: “Baby? I love… Read more »

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BUT

“This has only been fuel to the fires of hypergamy and a new role-model was born.”

hmmm

https://twitter.com/redpillchick/status/997928560169029634

https://twitter.com/ethenes/status/997845655082160128

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Yep, Luc Besson. FI Chopping Block activated

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“It is reported Harry has long refused to sign a pre-nup as he is confident his and Meghan’s marriage will last.”

“He got down on one knee” (giggles)
“The fact that I fell in love with Meghan so quickly was confirmation that all of the stars were aligned…”

SSmh. Poor dad James Hewitt must be wondering what happened to his alpha seed.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/703187/Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-Royal-Wedding-pre-nup-marital-agreement-news

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Ajax Parallax
Sooooo, anything short of that?

Upper class people are expected to marry for economic and even dynastic reasons.

Religious men who are serious about their faith are obliged to marry. It is a pity the churches are massive Beta factories.

I’ve said for a while now that in the future the only people marrying will be UMC / UC and the religious folks.

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@Semiramis: I think you’ve got the wrong number.

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Hello Everyone, I’m a long time reader, but never commented before. I just took the red pill 3-4 years ago (it wasn’t a one night process to swallow it). I’m 30 now btw. I was an incel and basically a beta until the age of 25. Then I read about PUA, then later Rollo’s writing. Anyway, I’m writing now to ask for advice because I don’t know what to do. After a short span of spinning plates (I had slept/was in a relationship with 8-10 girls) I got together with this girl I’m together with for 2,5 years now. I… Read more »

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“38 year old post wall divorced Jolie (age she married Brad Pitt) or 20 year old Jolie (age she married Jonny Lee Miller)”

Jonny Lee Miller must’ve had some very toxic semen.

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Howhowhow, when a woman says she wants more and better sex, what she usually means is that she wants to feel desired. You mention that you aren’t really into it and don’t want sex much, and when you have it it’s “repetitive” (and…just reading between the lines sounds a bit obligatory). That would make her feel undesired and undesirable.
Do you have sexual desire for her? If not, that’s not possible to fake longterm even if she makes a good roommate.

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“Bow Bow Bow ,what do you want for nothin a rrubber biscuit?”

What is the power dynamic in the relationship? Who wears the pants? Does this dynamic have a positive effect on your testosterone levels?

It’s going to be tough going ,being resentfull for her wandering eye,and tough to turn when she isn’t the apple of yours. You could work some dread to little effect.

I think it boils out to the FI,ie she’s not happy,and it’s your fault. Tough titties baby is the correct attitude for you to have. Go read the reconstruction.

https://therationalmale.com/2017/01/10/the-reconstruction-i/

And all of year one.

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If he has no desire for her, dread won’t work.
Because she already perceives that he is rejecting her.
“Do you know who my brother is?!?” doesn’t really work.

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anon,how is the FI treating you? Good I’m guessing.

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Howhowhow

“How would you handle this situation?”

Crazy idea? Get better at sex.

Read “Story of O” and “My Secret Garden”.

Study Rose’s Sex Got Method

https://www.scribd.com/document/317641132/Sex-God-Method-2nd-Edition-pdf

Watch 9 1/2 Weeks…

And grow the fuck up.

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anon: it’s a good question if I have sexual desire for her. It is clouded by my insecurities to be honest.

boulder: I wear the pants, but she tires me down sometimes. Funny thing is, that she is aware that she is shittesting, and that she wants me to lead and “put her to her place”. It’s just doesn’t work as an instinct for me yet, it is more like work. And yes, I don’t think that helps my T.

Sentient: Well, I can’t say you are wrong. I need to do that.

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The reality is too loud to ignore now. On to ridiculing men generally as left behind losers AND agentic kooks: http://theweek.com/articles/773949/poisoned-chalice-traditional-masculinity “And there may be a nugget of truth in the idea that men have been in some ways left behind by the evolution in gender norms, which has focused a lot more on women’s liberation than on providing workable behavioral guidelines and socialization for often-bewildered men.“ “The idea that women will only sleep with the top men if given the chance is straight out of pick-up artist garbage pseudoscience. This ideology of “beta” and “alpha” males (the latter getting… Read more »

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Howhowhow

Post some real examples in Field Reports for specifics.

Also

Is she fat? Height/weight?

In addition to low desire and T on your part what other issues do you have?

Micropeen? ED? PE? No idea how a pussy works or what a clit is? Etc.

Also eat right… No soy etc.

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Oh yeah Howhowhow

If you worried your wife is looking around to cheat, you aren’t wearing the pants Hoss…

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If howhow thinks she’s looking, he’s already cucked. She dropped the hint to confirm his cuckability, and now she has proof she made the right call fucking someone else.

On to “Break up with me, why don’t cha already!” phase.

https://therationalmale.com/2016/10/24/please-breakup-with-me/

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The reality is too loud to ignore now. On to ridiculing men generally as left behind losers AND agentic kooks: Well, all that is happening is that the MSM is worried about Peterson, and they are now really focused on trying to discredit him and take him out. The New York Times had a big hit piece on Peterson a few days ago, and it’s been gleefully tossed around the internet left for the past few days, with the usual suspects taking the opportunity to riff on the piece and echo its sentiments. Bottom line is they know he now… Read more »

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If howhow thinks she’s looking, he’s already cucked. She dropped the hint to confirm his cuckability, and now she has proof she made the right call fucking someone else.

Yep. Most of the time, by the time the guy gets suspicious of it, it’s been going on already.

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The Absurdist
https://bit.ly/2IzGPMP
Political Correctness Debate ft. Stephen Fry, Jordan Peterson, Michael Dyson, Michelle Goldberg
https://bit.ly/2IYxFJ4
Freedom and Tyranny
https://bit.ly/2GCRkca

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But now I’m angry. I can’t even talk to her. I know, that a real alpha wouldn’t be angry, but I’m not one. Don’t get angry, get better. Use this shitty turn of events (use lemons)…to motivate you to improve yourself (to make lemonade)…specifically, by learning to control and harness your emotions…to be aware of emotional triggers…learning to handle shit tests…to be ready for emotional ambushes…which are gonna happen…so you’ll be proud of yourself when you recognize them happening and surprise!…you’ll actually find them humorous because they are so predictable…you’ll be pleased with yourself for your self-control and your awareness… Read more »

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Gamer Maxim: There’s not only the burden of performance–there’s also the burden of Frame.

two different things

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Well, all that is happening is that the MSM is worried about Peterson, and they are now really focused on trying to discredit him and take him out. The New York Times had a big hit piece on Peterson a few days ago

From The 48 Laws of Power…if you are enviable, you will be envied and have enemies. So, this turn of events is highly shocking.

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“This ideology of “beta” and “alpha” males (the latter getting all the sex) is based on a mangled and since-retracted study about wolves, and bears . . .”

. . . and sheep, and horses, and deer, and chimps, and . . .

But yeah, that’s not how it works in rabbit and bonobo masterbation societies. And even they have competition to an extent. You can’t breed if your already dead.

Welcome to the beige ooze.

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“pick-up artist garbage pseudoscience”

This above, I found curious…how would these UMC knowitall, knownothings know what PUA mechanics are and why mention it directly?

Because Peterson is a immediate threat to their 60 year feminist canard so attack him directly but PUA isn’t, so mention it as irrelevant…yet.

These lefty, educated types feel validated until they too feel the FI during their own divorce revelation. My question for Novaseeker and other guys who run in those circles:

Do these MSM types have a RP Road to Damascus (if fleeting) moment when they find out their wives are fucking around?

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