Of the three cognitive, interpretive processes it is the Emotional process that people are most familiar with, and yet it’s also the most glorified when it comes to determining reality and truth. I’m probably going to ruffle some feathers with this essay – people invest a lot of themselves in their emotions. The reason for this is because for a very long time we’ve been taught to deify (sometimes literally) the importance of emotion to the human experience. We want to impart our emotions with a metaphysical quality to the point that understanding those feelings is something we expect our omniscient Gods to have a relation with. This is the mythic apex of the grandeur with which we regard emotion, but on a visceral level, the opposite end of that understanding, emotion is something very understandable and very ‘knowable’.
We interpret stimuli via the Emotional process, but we also express our emotional state through art and personal means. And this is the dual nature of emotion; it’s interpretive, but those interpretations are subjective to an individual. As such, these interpretations and expressions become part of our personality and identity. I’ve mentioned the concept of ego-investment in many prior essays. A person can invest themselves so much (ego) into personal beliefs that they become a component part of who they are. Thus, an attack on the belief is literally an attack on the ego, but’s important to point out that those investments are integrally linked to the Emotional process. Emotion is not just an important filter through which we interpret the world, but its effects often shape us as individuals. So because of this subjective, ego-investment dynamic it’s hard not to step on a few toes or challenge the emotionally-inspired belief sets by considering emotion in an objective way.
As with most other aspects of Red Pill awareness. parsing out the nuts and bolts of how and why emotions work, how they evolved and the important survival functions they serve often has a way of dispelling the magic we apply to emotions. From a biological perspective we can prompt certain emotions (or buffer them) by creating the stimuli that evokes them. We can chemically induce an emotional response. We can alter moods with drugs and we can chemically compare the endorphins released into our bloodstream when we experience the ’emotional’ effects of love, lust and infatuation. There are many studies comparing love to addiction, and the effects of a breakup being comparable to ‘withdrawal’ symptoms.
Emotion has prompted virtually all of mankind’s greatest art, music, literature and so many more cultural effects it’s hard to think that emotion doesn’t define us as a species. Emotion has started wars, prompted self-sacrifice, moves us to mercy, ensures that our children are nurtured and sees that we care and cooperate with each other. Emotion is a blessing and a curse as environment and circumstance demand, but for all of that the Emotional process is a result of our evolved biology. Emotion is firmly rooted in our evolved capacity to experience and interpret our environment and circumstances. Emotion is rooted in the physical. And while it inspires us to acts that may seem divine or diabolic the fact remains that emotion is very much dependent on our evolved capacity to physically experience it.
I begin this essay stressing this point because the concept (not the process) of emotion has been elevated to such a mythic degree of importance in our present times that it supersedes almost all other considerations in life. We’re largely taught and conditioned to prioritize the importance of our emotional states above both the Instinctual and Rational processes, so to reduce emotion to a physical dynamic runs counter to what we feel it should mean to us. Unless we’re dealing with a clinical, physical depression we rarely consider that emotion is an interpretive process. We want to apply meaning to emotion rather than see it as the evolved tool it is to human beings.
Both Instinct and Reason influence and modify the Emotional process, and like both, Emotion is interpretive and functional. If we look at base emotions we can make inferences as to what their latent purposes might be. In the first post of this series I drew the lines between the effect of oxytocin inspiring feelings of trust and caring, and how the environmental prompts that trigger this hormone have a practical ‘real world’ function. We can speculate that the instinctual prompts that trigger the oxytocin then lead to the emotional processing of the feeling of trust/caring which then prompts physical behavior (nurturing a child, etc.) Hunger is another good example. Our physical state of hunger prompts feelings of anger or discontent which then compels us to action. In our evolutionary past this anger prompt would’ve been beneficial in that it motivated us to seek/kill food.
Those are just a couple of the many different basic prompts for the Emotional process, but emotion is much more complex and nuanced than this. The Emotional process is multi-layered, so when you combine various emotional interpretive processes with emotional responses you get various new iterations of emotion which then builds into more complex emotions. While instinct is the fastest of these processes, emotion can be more time intensive. Base emotions are relatively quick interpretations (though slower than instinct), but the more complex, compound emotions take time to interpret, build and then reinterpret. Because of this compositing process humans have a tendency to fixate on the emotion itself as being of primary importance; often forgetting or dismissing entirely the stimuli that originally prompted it. Furthermore, we forget or dismiss the latent purpose of that initial emotional interpretation that caused that composite cascade of emotions.
An understanding of this emotion compositing is necessary to understand why we tend to imbue emotions with such importance and power. While base emotions are linked to the ‘fast-twitch’ Instinctual process, the more complex emotions – the ones we subconsciously craft over more time – tend to be the ones we build belief sets around. This is very important to Red Pill awareness because it explains the motivations for, and foundations of, feminine-primary belief sets of both men and women, as well as the feminine-primary social order that is a result of those belief sets.
Gender Differences
Despite all the protestations of egalitarian minds, men and women are fundamentally different. Biologically, neurologically, endocrinologically and psychologically our gender-specific differences are significant. This isn’t a revelation to my Red Pill aware readers, but it’s a radical statement for the past generations who are emotionally invested in the idea of a blank-slate parity between the sexes they’ve been conditioned to believe is true. As I mention above, an ego-investment is component part of the personality of the individual so invested. To attack the investment, the belief, the ideology, the educated-but-misinformed opinion, is to attack the person. That belief set, like the emotions that compounded to develop it, is subjective to the individual experiencing the emotions that led to it.
One presupposition that has been a part of the manosphere for as long as I’ve been a part of it is that women put “feels before realz”. In several essays I’ve made a case for women’s innate communication style being context based – women focus on how the communication makes them feel; the information conveyed is secondary. For men this is reversed; men prioritize the content (the information) of the communication and the context is secondary. I’ve written a lot about how each sex evolved into their communication priorities, but down to the biological level, per our sex, the answers can be found in how our brains differ.
There are many multivariate studies that reveal similar findings and brain imaging, and the uncanny complementarity between men and women’s brains. For the most part studies indicate that women tend to prioritize the Emotional interpretive process above the Rational interpretive process and vice versa for men. That is not to say women are entirely incapable of reason, nor does it imply that men are emotionally stunted. What I’m suggesting is that our innate, biological predispositions prioritize our interpretive processes to emotion in women and rationality in men. Women can be taught to prioritize reason over emotion and, as I’ll illustrate next, men most definitely can be taught conditioned to prioritize emotion above their innate reason.
There are also numerous studies on how these interpretive prioritization function as a result of neurological gendered differences in men and women. Women process negative emotions differently than men. Men largely lack the brain architecture (wiring) to process emotion in the same manner and with the same degree of prioritization as women do. This is simply how we’re built, but before any woman pops off about their ‘superior’ emotional capacity, bear in mind, women’s brains are not wired for the rational and spatial tasks men’s brains are more suited to. Out of the womb, a boy is predisposed to throw an object with greater force and more accuracy than a girl. And that’s just one easy illustration of the mental firmware men are born with.
None of this, however, is about one sex being superior to the other’s innate predispositions. It’s not a contest, it’s just about which disposition is better suited to a task. But still, the first inclination today is to presume women’s greater emotional capacity should be the normative in our present-day feminine-primary social order. For the past 60+ years we’ve lived in a social condition that has made every attempt to feminize men; to get them more in touch with their emotions – to condition men, despite their brain wiring, to prioritize the Emotional process above both instinct and reason.
To reiterate, women are not necessarily handicapped because the Rational process isn’t their innate, predisposed preference, but neither are men handicapped for lacking the interpretive hardware to prioritize the Emotional process as women do. That said, for the past 4-5 generations we’ve lived in a social order that has presumed a blank-slate equalist perspective of men and women. We live in a time when men not emoting like women is a disorder to be treated and conditioned. We presume today that boys are defective girls because they don’t prioritize the Emotional in their communications or their interpretive process. Today the Emotional process that women innately prefer is the ‘correct’ way for all, egalitarian, blank-slate equals to prioritize their interpretations of the world and each other with.
As most of my readers already know, I see the presumption of equalism as being little more than a cover story for feminine primacy. For several generations now, and especially since the Sexual Revolution, the pretense of gender equality has been the vehicle for female social primacy. At first it was subtle and inoffensive, but today this social engineering effort is out in the open. And with more and more empirical evidence mounting that proves the sexes are far less “equal” in nature than prior egalitarian doctrines would allow anyone to accept, we see an intensifying effort to retain the social narrative on the part of equalist. Only now it’s focused on the innate ‘wrongness’ of masculinity by demonizing and pathologizing anything conventionally masculine. This new intensive effort is only able to find legitimacy because prior feminized generations base their belief sets on the the inherent ‘correctness’ of prioritizong the Emotional process – a process that is fundamentally, biologically linked to women’s preferences in interpreting the world around them.
So today we look at men as if they’re stunted and ‘wrong’ for communicating with other men in a way that prioritizes information before how it makes them feel. We still today implore men to get in touch with their feminine sides – the last vestige of Car Jung’s bastardized and now disproven animus theories – but pity men for lacking the hardware to emote ‘correctly’ like women. We don’t teach boys emotional control because in our emotional-prioritizing social order anything that looks like control seems like masculine oppression of emotional expression. Instead we create new, more intense, ways of discouraging men of ever embracing or “getting in touch” with their masculine sides. We discard masculine discipline for emotional pretense. We teach boys at younger and younger ages to fear and despise their innate masculine selves. We create programs to cure masculinity as if it were a health crisis. This effort will only intensify as gender differences become more and more unignorable and the social engineering of the last 60 years becomes more obvious.
As a basis of that cure is the fundamental presumption that interpreting our world through the filter of Emotion should supersede or entirely disqualify the Rational interpretive process. As you might guess, men’s innate predisposition is to interpret our world through Reason. Today we live in a world where feelings trump both instinct and reason. This is why the current generation makes the Emotional process and their feelings more important than any other consideration – they are the cumulative result of having prioritized women’s emotional preferences above all else, while simultaneously engineering consecutive generations of feminized men to facilitate it for the last seven decades.
In the next and final installment in this series I’ll be addressing the Rational interpretive process and how we might imagine better future generations based on seizing and instituting a social order founded on masculine reason.
Rugby and Boulderhead thanks for those video links.
If there was just some way to unlock Peterson’s blue pill firewall, things would get really interesting …but the oneitis and religious blockade might be too strong.
I’d love to see a Rollo and Peterson interview
Asd
Yup.I remember when that was a new song being played on the radio.
Thanks to my dad, I also remember most popular songs from the 50s, well before I was even born. When I was learning guitar, my dad initially taught me chick berry, bo diddley, chet Atkins, dick Dale and the like, until I first heard Hendrix and Santana, and shit changed.
chick barry…chuck’s younger brother…first time I heard of Dick Dale…I know the Del Tones, of course… Fucking girls…a girl got married six months ago and is going out on dancing on Fri. nights without her husband…girls are feral until they are trained to be civilized Wild Man was totally wrong about the problem being psychopaths…the problem is that girls are no longer trained properly. Because men think that girls follow the old set of books instead of realizing that girls were trained in the past by parents and now that training typically has to be done by a man, but… Read more »
Your welcome Married Been reading this as something relevant in my use of escapism and fear pain and anxiety. As well as compulsion’s. Went out yesterday to hear Jordan speak in person. First of all yes he did reference his wife 3 or more times about how much she means to him for challenging him for being a better Male. He compared america to Movies so everyone film studio’s… I though that was funny sense in a lot of way’s i see it the same way. https://bit.ly/2cugYX4 America has so many massive industry’s in Escapism and Numbing. I find myself… Read more »
Emotion’s and the masculine https://bit.ly/2FL6Rq7
biology and socialization
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4469291/
Emotions and Culture
Meant this one
https://etd.library.vanderbilt.edu//available/etd-03262007-131344/unrestricted/ShelleyDissertation.pdf
Rollo
This article has everything
https://www.thecut.com/2018/04/glennon-doyle-is-coming-to-get-the-white-women.html
Christian mommy blogger who rose to fame by saving her marraige after her husband’s cheating divorces goes lesbian with soccer star and is now dismantling patriarchy and white privilege… While retaining God fearing momny blogger status… Oprah approved book club selectee…
Zeus… Send fire… 🔥
And this…. Lolz
https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/after-14-years-ive-had-it-im-leaving-seattle/
Some cracks forming where the pushing is meeting the shoving.
Who’d a thunk?
Rugby
Why is the Dark Prince wearing a skirt??
Rugby
Why is the Dark Prince wearing a skirt??
Sentient
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ltZFA0iiJXE/Tw9NylasmKI/AAAAAAAAArU/MBjB08__QS4/s1600/Sandman+4-1.png
Not a dress more of a cover in hell
https://www.elle.com/culture/a44853/glennon-doyle-melton-profile/ “L pretend for a minute that it’s early 2016 and you are Glennon Doyle Melton—wife, mother, spiritual exemplar, sun-bronzed poster girl for a kind of messy, beautiful domestic imperfection that, somehow, makes you even more perfect. You’re the world’s most famous Christian mommy blogger, a heroine and role model to your one million social media followers. Your first memoir, Carry On, Warrior, was a best-seller. Now you’re about to release your second—Love Warrior, a gripping chronicle of how you saved your marriage following your husband Craig’s infidelity. The book ends with you and Craig standing on the beach facing… Read more »
“”We can do hard things,” I’d repeat to myself, feeling like Henry V at the Battle of Agincourt as I cleaned up fruit-snack puke. “We are not afraid.… We were born to do this.””
oh the lolz…
“Why is the Dark Prince wearing a skirt??”
Because he is civilized. Pants are for Germans and Huns.
“Still, life with Glennon proved relentlessly harrowing. She became bulimic at 10, had her first alcoholic blackout at 13, and checked into a mental hospital at 17. ”
OK then…
Sentient
He actually wears and suit and gave up hell to play Jazz in LA on the piano
“Nature abhors a vacuum. If the Devil didn’t exist, we’d have to reinvent him.”
— Holly Black, Lucifer #5
“By the time she entered college, she’d become a full-blown alcoholic, reaching for a beer the moment she stepped out of bed and taking it into the shower with her. She maxed out her credit cards, became a chain smoker, and snorted coke topped off with crushed ADD drugs. Through the fog, she graduated with an English degree from James Madison University in 1999 and found work as a grade-school teacher, but although her love for her students sustained her, it did not slow her pace of self-destruction. On July 4, 2001, when she was 24, Glennon met Craig Melton,… Read more »
Rugby
“He actually wears and suit and gave up hell to play Jazz in LA on the piano”
Gave it up? Sounds like hell on earth…
“Glennon and Craig slept together the first night they met and began “drinking and drugging constantly,” as Melton writes in Carry On, Warrior. Melton quickly found herself pregnant and in an abortion clinic. Craig offered to pay but Glennon waved him off: “I’ve got it.””
Sentient
He even sleeps with Death
Than tells God something along the way
A message written in blood. Everyone involved in this drama seems compelled to overact.
Off to Dream
Wow…having a tough time following this thread…but at least the endless fantasy comics don’t slow down the feed…
What the fucking fuck??
@anon Do you see what Sentient is getting at here? It is actually not OK as a man to get stuck in PTSD. It is not OK to get stuck in One-time. Sure it happens to good men. But what does a man who is good at being a masculine man do with that State? Of course he fights his way through it with strength, courage, mastery and honor (among men) towards release from constraint. There is no honor among men if one is stuck hopelessly in The Stages. Notwithstanding the fact that empathy and compassion might lend that guy… Read more »
I know exactly what Sentient is “trying to do”. “It is actually not OK as a man to get stuck in PTSD. It is not OK to get stuck in One-time.” JJ didn’t mention being stuck in PTSD. He had an incident and thought he was dying. His question was…why did none of the “plates” take and interest and leave. -asked and answered in my first response -I added more because a panic attack (as described by JJ) is a physiological response, not some sort of measure of manliness. I’m under the assumption from JJ’s anecdote that we aren’t talking… Read more »
Sorry, anon, big assed typo from me there.
Not One-time–came from autocorrect of One-itis. (Why isn’t One-itis in the common vernacular?)
One-itis is a psychological pathology stemming from the subconscious. It needs to be cured by red pill awareness of the subconscious beliefs, motivations and needs that are unfit for game. Or for “just getting it”.
Men that are good at being men have control over their physiologic responses (and good traits of Psychopaths, even military men, even more so). One should understand their Subconscious, while still having discipline, yet having mastery and not spending all free energy suppressing and not understanding what lurks below.
“Men that are good at being men have much better than average control over their physiologic responses”
FIFY
Thanks for the fix, a distinction without a difference.
One-itis leading to panic attack=not better than average.
Better to move toward the better side of the Pareto distribution. A better end result. Praxeologically, not how things ought to be.
JJ didn’t state that one-itis led to his panic attack, nor did he imply it.
I don’t even understand what we’re arguing about.
A person can condition him/herself to avoid a panic response during times of stress. A person can also condition him/herself to be on a kind of auto-pilot during times of panic (say, you are strapped in a chinook that is inverted and rapidly sinking under water….you’re going to panic, but a trained response will hopefully kick in and over ride it or you will drown). It’s easy to recognize the potential for a panic attack in obviously stressful or emergency situations, harder to recognize in other types of situations (with only mental stressors, for example). The person typically believes he/she… Read more »
@ Anon Ok, I’m going to apologize again. My internet access was out and I just restored it. I inadvertently comment here in this thread on the JJ issue, instead of Field Reports because I was using my cell phone. Sorry. If JJ’s anecdote was met with instant ridicule, that is merely a sharp slap on the head for his comment May 5, 2018 at 4:45 am in Field Reports. Everything he said was lacking Red Pill Awareness. The ridicule/slap on the back of the head is to make him understand: “Everyone is going through something that we can’t see.–Kevin… Read more »
“Ok, I’m going to apologize again. My internet access was out and I just restored it. I inadvertently comment here in this thread on the JJ issue, instead of Field Reports because I was using my cell phone.” No problem. I actually prefer to respond on this thread. ” He’s got all kinds of stuff parked down below his Conscious level that is just wrong. The Panic attack was because his Subconscious went feral and his Conscious had a major league explosion of Cognitive Dissonance. He knew something was not right in his soul, but he let it get suppressed… Read more »
I should probably add a caveat here….since I’m not a huge follower of Mark Manson I cannot say he’s a perfect example. He just seems to be a good example, from my limited knowledge.
“I actually prefer to respond on this thread.” Well I’m sure Field Reports would be a scary comments section for you. Esp. as a mother of sons you hold dear. (sorry, just busting your ovaries. Or what’s left of them.) “I don’t think he offered enough information about himself to make any assumptions on what triggered his panic attack.” With our red pill lenses on, he offered plenty. And he’s relapsed back in to red pill triage. “What he seems to be describing is a sort of existential crisis that can happen when a person reaches the next level (he… Read more »
I’d want to very carefully define “better” first.
Hey, don’t see JBP as the enemy like some of you do. It’s strange to me. He may miss some things yet his focus is really very different. If you haven’t read 12 Rules then maybe you should give it a shot.
Rollo doesn’t have everything perfectly right either, so why the hate?
Take what you can from these guys, and Zeland, Baumeister, Weinstein, etc., and be the change, eh?
@ Iust Beers
True, true.
Though JP fanboys have pedalstalized him such. He’s on to fad status.
Remember the Macarena?
“Hey, don’t see JBP as the enemy like some of you do.”
Color me not at all surprised.
“If you haven’t read 12 Rules then maybe you should give it a shot.”
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/05/12-things-i-learned-from-12-rules-of.html
” . . . why the hate? Take what you can from these guys . . .”
For the record, before you go off on me for the hate, I have advocated taking what you can from JP.
“I’d want to very carefully define “better” first.”
“The rub”, dat.
I’ve been reading your writing enthusiastically every day since I discovered this blog. I want to spread this philosophy in my social environment for some time now. I would appreciate your guidance on the following topics: What is the procedure if I want to translate the blog into my language? I know your views on sharing this philosophy with women, but I can not write and distribute the idea only to men. In the circles in which I am active there are many women.. So what do you think are the topics that should be emphasized when you know that… Read more »
By the way, too lazy to read the entire thread, wondering if anyone has brought up the insula/insular lobe. Targeting this area in ones training is a big part of accurate responses to acute stress.
@Yiftah Or
There is no way to sanitize this message without compromising it. Red Pill knowledge is knowing that men and women have competing sexual strategies.
Kfg
I was speaking generally, and certainly not “going off” on you or anyone in particular at all.
So, all good.
KFG Just read the blogpost you linked.
Couldn’t find any critique of his rules themselves. Are they found someplace else?
Just Bers Hey, don’t see JBP as the enemy like some of you do. It’s strange to me. He may miss some things yet his focus is really very different. Don’t see anyone holding Peterson as an enemy. Could you point to examples? I see him being pretty sane towards younger men – unlike the usual “beatings will continue until morale improves” approach that especially the churchgoing types take. and blue pill. JBP is extreely blue pill, and that is a real problem. Because the main fanbase is men 18 – 22. The very young men who have been through… Read more »
Eh, I agree, JBP is not (close to) flawless. Biggest flaw is not knowing female sexual nature. Though he touches upon red-pill stuff nearly every time he opens his mouth. Truth is, I think TRM overemphasizes hypergamy and under-emphasizes women’s thirst for safety and security first and foremost. Women don’t have a “sexual” strategy like men do. They have a “safety and security” strategy that involves sex. And no, I don’t think they are the (precisely) same thing as described on this blog. Years ago someone said life’s foundation was “babies all the way down.” That’s more like it, and… Read more »
“Couldn’t find any critique of his rules themselves.”
Some people are allergic to cats, and it appears that some cats are allergic to people. Make sure your relationship with random cats is mutually supportive and consensual.
“Years ago someone said life’s foundation was “babies all the way down.” ”
Oh, hey, I like that and it explains a lot. I might have to use it.
Hi Just Beers, “women’s thirst for safety and security first and foremost.” Here above is the lion’s share of men messing up themselves and then their relationships. Hence the focus on it here. Betas by nature are better providers of stuff than genotype and the once asset becomes a liability. It’s not a us vs. them mentality, though it seems that way with the jaded, newly unplugging commentd. The disaffected men have their reasons and as it’s babies all the way down for men too. Men denied their full paternity/fatherhood potential turn to frustration and anger and actions based on… Read more »
“Oh, hey, I like that and it explains a lot. I might have to use it.”
I would if I was you and will,watch out for the echo btw.
@ Yiftah Or
I’m relatively new here but I’m observing the following to be true that women want you to just get it. Until I learn further I’m not raising the topic beyond potentially receptive guys.Rollo has an essay on the topic.
https://therationalmale.com/2012/08/22/just-get-it/
“I finished my DUI classes last week. Prost!”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9666250
@JJ
Panic attacks aren’t what’s for dinner. High testosterone can lead to aggressive behaviour ,just as low testosterone can lead to anxiety. Self control is key in either case,I find it easier to control for high levels than low. Never let them see you sweat or don’t lose composure. Your mom is the only woman that can care for your weakness instinctually without thought of reciprocation. the nurse does it for the money.
https://therationalmale.com/2016/01/01/empathy-2016/
” Never let them see you sweat or don’t lose composure. Your mom is the only woman that can care for your weakness instinctually without thought of reciprocation. the nurse does it for the money.”
Damn …
I find this to be the very core of what the red pill is.
https://bit.ly/2HYJGKy
Someone once said if your want to get over being a nice guy travel somewhere no one knows you in case you mess up on frame and people see you break even once.
Hot off the press
https://bit.ly/2K0K7F3
JP on fire
What happens when Biology meet’s reality?
https://bit.ly/2I1xDfL
Human life and the future with time…
https://bit.ly/2rpvfJj
Body and motherhood
https://bit.ly/2rkjowf
What works and what dosn’t work.
@Just Beers: “Women don’t have a “sexual” strategy like men do. They have a “safety and security” strategy that involves sex. And no, I don’t think they are the (precisely) same thing as described on this blog.” Just like JBP you also appear to acknowledge only the “Beta Bucks” side of Hypergamy. JBP and you do not see the “Alpha Fucks” side of the equation. And that is why you think females do not have a “sexual strategy”. “They are deeply dependent on culture and village/tribal cohesion. It’s their main program.” That is correct. Societies in which the “Alpha Fucks”… Read more »
It’s babies all the way down. A “Sexual Strategy” is the plan by which babies are made. Every sexual reproducer has a sexual strategy. Plants have sexual strategies. Males and females, by innate nature, play different roles in reproduction and thus have different strategies. So yeah, women don’t have a sexual strategy like men do, they have a sexual strategy like women do. “They have a “safety and security” strategy that involves sex.” It’s babies all the way down. They have a “safety and security” strategy is because after they have had sex they need to be cared for and… Read more »
“But it does not mean Hypergamy (Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks) is not hard coded in female nature.”
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
My DUI meetings last week included about half women, all under 30. They all, and I say all, were single or divorced, many angrily so.
Anyways an activity required us to consider best selves and what would we want. All, again all, the women openly admitted they wanted AF primarily and marriage. There was BB too, but as and afterthought. The hive mind lives.
“Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”
Great words!!
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/05/book-review-12-rules-of-life.html “12 Rules of Life: An Antidote to Chaos, is a practical distillation of his philosophy that has been an international bestseller and has also been widely and enthusiastically embraced as a useful guide to improving one’s life. To the extent that this is true, it is a tragic indictment of the extent to which parents have increasingly failed to raise their children properly. Peterson’s rules are pedestrian and childish on their face, encouraging the reader to stand up straight, speak precisely, tell the truth, pet the neighborhood cat, and generally behave the way in which a 10-year-old boy from… Read more »
@Just Beers:
“Hey, don’t see JBP as the enemy like some of you do. It’s strange to me. He may miss some things yet his focus is really very different. If you haven’t read 12 Rules then maybe you should give it a shot.”
Half truths sold as absolutes are as dangerous (if not more) as complete lies.
“Rollo doesn’t have everything perfectly right either, so why the hate?”
I don’t think so. I agree with everything he says, so I am keen to know where Rollo has not got it right. Can you provide an example?
Re: Hate, perfection as useful terms A binary intersexual dynamic debate oversimplifies a life. There are universals though there’s much to be personalized in execution. My RP game isn’t your RP game but we’re getting the same results in fact and in spirit. IMO “perfection” doesn’t have much utility as defined in a man’s life. I’d say my life is good as it gets though begrudge no RP guy their own definition of a good life. Life’s to be enjoyed with a certain relaxed purpose and TRM Best of Year One takes care of 80% of the intersexual dynamic needed… Read more »
@kfg
I would like your comment on the following philosophical hypothesis:
Disciplines have weight to the degree that they are used to produce technological fruit.
@ASD:
I’m not comfortable with the term “weight,” and in context its association with “have.”
Technology can be “useful,” although that leaves the problem of just what “useful” is.
I’m uncomfortable with another philosophical designation, “explanatory power” and am trying to come up with a reason to prefer theories and disciplines over others. All “explanatory power” does is denote that we can somewhat tie up loose ends. I prefer something that can be used to engage the physical world in some testable way as opposed to an aesthetic yardstick like “explanatory power.” “Explanatory power” seems like an example of mental masturbation.
“Useful” = “do work”…steam engines…airplanes
http://www.newsweek.com/incel-ellen-pao-reddit-silicon-valley-involuntary-celibate-tech-gender-910107
I like Vox Day’s explanation of what he view Jordan Peterson’s book and topics and themes. But for me it doesn’t take any gloss of of JBP. JBP is pretty glossy like a magician. And that’s not a negative. The guy is very entertaining. And important in the way Vox Day describes: Parents are doing a shitty job of raising their children and are clueless on how to guide them. Yes JBP wields intellectual sleight of hand. I went to his book tour talk last night at The Fillmore. It was wildly entertaining in an intellectual way. A million little… Read more »
A little more re: Peterson and Rollo. I don’t use levels when hanging pictures. I tell my wife to step way back and use her eye for horizontal-vertical. The eye is a better judge of the picture alignment and environment in which it’s being hung. The level only aligns it to the earth. The eye knows more what’s wrong than what’s right by design. in a TRM context, women focus on what you aren’t much easier than what you are. It’s self preservational. Peterson speaks life coach RP inspiration then says some profoundly BP intersexual talk, and sex undergirds, spoken… Read more »
” . . . am trying to come up with a reason to prefer theories and disciplines over others.” Understood. “I prefer something that can be used to engage the physical world in some testable way as opposed to an aesthetic yardstick like “explanatory power.”” In empirical investigation “explanatory power” leads to new ideas for new ways to engage the physical world in a testable way, leading to new useful technologies. “Explaining” the precession of Mercury’s orbit made GPS possible. I didn’t understand the concept of “aesthetics” in theoretical science until I came across the Kinetic Theory of Gasses. Make… Read more »
Peterson speaks life coach RP inspiration then says some profoundly BP intersexual talk, and sex undergirds, spoken or not, the majority of his higher order lectures. Hence his BP statements are dissonance in an otherwise healthy message. Only with buffers and word games and willful blindness does man accept function from dysfunction… ….What screws guys up is they don’t have a clear idea of what’s right as the options are prechewed, or they are in a liminal space focusing on where they want to go, rather than use a process of elimination of where they clearly don’t want to go.… Read more »
In empirical investigation “explanatory power” leads to new ideas for new ways to engage the physical world in a testable way, leading to new useful technologies.
That’s what they tell you in PoS 101, but that ain’t the way it normally works…usually the explanatory power is done ex post facto. The “predictions” are done ex post facto. That’s reality. I think that “explanatory power” serves the same purpose as a blanky.
“David Foster Wallace came to mind hearing Jordan talk”
lol
if you can’t sleep read infinite jest
dfw offed himself like a bitch
dfw is to cultural revolution as spice girls are to musical revolution. both = 0
jp = dfw = 0
go clean your room?
set your mattress on fire instead
The more explanatory, the less predictive.
Political science is buried in opinions, stats and gets it all wrong but is in vogue among those who look to distract us.
Physics has its indelible equations. Nuff said.
“set your mattress on fire instead”
LOL
““Rollo doesn’t have everything perfectly right either, so why the hate?” the points where Rollo may be off are of minimal importance to taking the red pill. Rollo facilitates the pill = aligned with the mission of pilling every man = gettin’ support the points where jp is for a fact off are of massive importance to taking the pill. jp blocks the pill = opposed to the mission of pilling every man = gettin’ “hate” “I don’t think so. I agree with everything he says, so I am keen to know where Rollo has not got it right. Can… Read more »
Did you know that millennials are having a lot less sex than older generations?
I’m sure it’s all egalitarian with the girls just as incel as the boys are. 😉 😉
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bgs9RdaB8fb/?hl=en&taken-by=normalmagazine
How would JBP caption this photo? Let’s have a contest…
Go!
“…usually the explanatory power is done ex post facto.” The Kinetic Theory of Gasses explains the empirically discovered Ideal Gas Law ex post facto. Nonetheless the support for the atomic hypothesis led many people to start looking for ways to poke these “atom” thingies with a pointy stick, because now they had some confidence that they were actually there to be poked. The poking led to a whole bunch of accidental empirical discoveries for which no one had any explanation. Then people started looking for explanations for those discoveries ex post facto. The fact that most discoveries have been not… Read more »
…the points where jp is for a fact off are of massive importance to taking the pill. jp blocks the pill = opposed to the mission of pilling every man = gettin’ “hate”
….I do support Rollo because he saves men’s lives and he is 100% correct about hypergamy
Yes.
Without understanding that, JBP is less helpful than the eager ears who want to hear him understand. The Red Pill is by orders of importance more important, even if later down the road.
“The interpretation was that development in science and technology could be essentially industrialized.”
For our money we’ve gotten more development of science and technology development than science and technology.
I’m still waiting to eat my dinner nutrition pills wearing a silver jump suit.
@Sentient: “How would JBP caption this photo? Let’s have a contest…”
Caption: “this is what happens when men don’t ‘man up’, women SUFFER”
“Eat Mor Chickin”
“THAT’S IT, PUSSYCAT, STAND UP STRAIGHT WITH YOUR SHOULDERS BACK!”
I long for her kibbles and bits and bits and bits.
“set your mattress on fire instead” https://bit.ly/2wl1kqR What I’m noticing is that their is this build up. Could be dread but i suppose its a social thing taking to a massive level. Attempting to go about changing your Inner workings by yourself seems to lead back to where you started from. Here is what i have been pondering is mgtow refusing the burden of performance? https://bit.ly/2jFCt7C Every male is the mirror of his insides for and to himself first. But what happens if someone hacks the system and turns it around on itself? I’m coming to realize that owning and… Read more »
@ SJF,
I went to JBP’s book tour, here in Chicago. My observations are pretty spot-on with yours, except I noticed a significant number of unaccompanied women attend.
Anonymous reader
On the insular lobe
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/olympics-insula-gives-edge/
https://academic.oup.com/scan/article/11/1/182/2375086
There’s lots more out there.
“I noticed a significant number of unaccompanied women attend.”
What age group?
SJF Yes, pure red-pill is not JBP’s bag. I agree with you that individual men need appropriate bridges, and may not be ready for full red-pill just yet. JBP is a good bridge, yet not the end point in some ways, and for some men. Some will never be able to take in this blog. Don’t agree with you regarding hypergamy > safety/security. The latter comes first. Without it, women will never risk hypergamy. The most successful cultures have won out by balancing safety/ security while rewarding benevolent dominance; rewarding alpha men who face and defeat the dragon. Beowulf vanquishes… Read more »
@Just Beers:
A woman who marries her high school sweetheart at graduation, as a virgin, and remains with him and faithful to him for life . . . is hypergamous..
@JB
I see lots of never married 20-something women riding the carousel who have careers. Changing boyfriends every six months or so.
@kfg @asd
Cool. Interesting observations. Those are predictable female behaviors.
“Women, now unconsciously feeling remarkably safe, are exhibiting more pure forms of hypergamy.” Hypergamy is a woman maximizing her AF/BB options. One guy, many guys. I’m confused that you think there is a pure hypergamy vs. a less pure. Women in the west are autoproviding, adding to their BB men’s income, or are their own BB. That allows more options re: AF. A bit ago there was a woman commenting here about her BB hubby and she stated she was out earning him, generally higher on the SMV, more options and planned a divorce. She believes it’s true, therefore it’s… Read more »
Caption: “And when you’re done cleaning your room, don’t forget to feed and walk the dog!”
– JBP
Rollo’s been killing on Twitter
https://www.twitter.com/RationalMale/status/993604533174484993
https://twitter.com/RationalMale/status/993512938320285698?s=20
Eh “She wanted better sex. Is that what you mean by pure hypergamy…maximized AF/BB?” Yeah, I agree with your entire post. I agree with all the OMG on the site, mostly. (though I personally have not earned the skill to pull that off) The woman you describe has maximized her life. But BB is first for a healthy woman. The woman who go AF first are limbic, rationalizing single moms. So BB first for healthy woman. Not to channel Scribbleberg too much, the feminine imperative fuels socialism (everyone has enough) so woman can get govt to supply BB and go… Read more »
Men go stoic NOT for women; it’s for themselves, so they can focus on their MPO.
WTF
MPO is the game.
Being stoic with women is not good GAME.
To clarify, men must go stoic (rational) and get a handle on MPO to disengage from the FI.
Exactly what may here are espousing.
Quality Women, ahoy!
When women to after or get turned on by serial killers, mass murderers, drug kingpins and clinically insane guys, or course it’s all about safety first.
Why else would they FEELZ that way?
Stoic, loyal, conscientious….. What do these things mean to women as a whole?
Cats differ from dogs.