Of the three cognitive, interpretive processes it is the Emotional process that people are most familiar with, and yet it’s also the most glorified when it comes to determining reality and truth. I’m probably going to ruffle some feathers with this essay – people invest a lot of themselves in their emotions. The reason for this is because for a very long time we’ve been taught to deify (sometimes literally) the importance of emotion to the human experience. We want to impart our emotions with a metaphysical quality to the point that understanding those feelings is something we expect our omniscient Gods to have a relation with. This is the mythic apex of the grandeur with which we regard emotion, but on a visceral level, the opposite end of that understanding, emotion is something very understandable and very ‘knowable’.
We interpret stimuli via the Emotional process, but we also express our emotional state through art and personal means. And this is the dual nature of emotion; it’s interpretive, but those interpretations are subjective to an individual. As such, these interpretations and expressions become part of our personality and identity. I’ve mentioned the concept of ego-investment in many prior essays. A person can invest themselves so much (ego) into personal beliefs that they become a component part of who they are. Thus, an attack on the belief is literally an attack on the ego, but’s important to point out that those investments are integrally linked to the Emotional process. Emotion is not just an important filter through which we interpret the world, but its effects often shape us as individuals. So because of this subjective, ego-investment dynamic it’s hard not to step on a few toes or challenge the emotionally-inspired belief sets by considering emotion in an objective way.
As with most other aspects of Red Pill awareness. parsing out the nuts and bolts of how and why emotions work, how they evolved and the important survival functions they serve often has a way of dispelling the magic we apply to emotions. From a biological perspective we can prompt certain emotions (or buffer them) by creating the stimuli that evokes them. We can chemically induce an emotional response. We can alter moods with drugs and we can chemically compare the endorphins released into our bloodstream when we experience the ’emotional’ effects of love, lust and infatuation. There are many studies comparing love to addiction, and the effects of a breakup being comparable to ‘withdrawal’ symptoms.
Emotion has prompted virtually all of mankind’s greatest art, music, literature and so many more cultural effects it’s hard to think that emotion doesn’t define us as a species. Emotion has started wars, prompted self-sacrifice, moves us to mercy, ensures that our children are nurtured and sees that we care and cooperate with each other. Emotion is a blessing and a curse as environment and circumstance demand, but for all of that the Emotional process is a result of our evolved biology. Emotion is firmly rooted in our evolved capacity to experience and interpret our environment and circumstances. Emotion is rooted in the physical. And while it inspires us to acts that may seem divine or diabolic the fact remains that emotion is very much dependent on our evolved capacity to physically experience it.
I begin this essay stressing this point because the concept (not the process) of emotion has been elevated to such a mythic degree of importance in our present times that it supersedes almost all other considerations in life. We’re largely taught and conditioned to prioritize the importance of our emotional states above both the Instinctual and Rational processes, so to reduce emotion to a physical dynamic runs counter to what we feel it should mean to us. Unless we’re dealing with a clinical, physical depression we rarely consider that emotion is an interpretive process. We want to apply meaning to emotion rather than see it as the evolved tool it is to human beings.
Both Instinct and Reason influence and modify the Emotional process, and like both, Emotion is interpretive and functional. If we look at base emotions we can make inferences as to what their latent purposes might be. In the first post of this series I drew the lines between the effect of oxytocin inspiring feelings of trust and caring, and how the environmental prompts that trigger this hormone have a practical ‘real world’ function. We can speculate that the instinctual prompts that trigger the oxytocin then lead to the emotional processing of the feeling of trust/caring which then prompts physical behavior (nurturing a child, etc.) Hunger is another good example. Our physical state of hunger prompts feelings of anger or discontent which then compels us to action. In our evolutionary past this anger prompt would’ve been beneficial in that it motivated us to seek/kill food.
Those are just a couple of the many different basic prompts for the Emotional process, but emotion is much more complex and nuanced than this. The Emotional process is multi-layered, so when you combine various emotional interpretive processes with emotional responses you get various new iterations of emotion which then builds into more complex emotions. While instinct is the fastest of these processes, emotion can be more time intensive. Base emotions are relatively quick interpretations (though slower than instinct), but the more complex, compound emotions take time to interpret, build and then reinterpret. Because of this compositing process humans have a tendency to fixate on the emotion itself as being of primary importance; often forgetting or dismissing entirely the stimuli that originally prompted it. Furthermore, we forget or dismiss the latent purpose of that initial emotional interpretation that caused that composite cascade of emotions.
An understanding of this emotion compositing is necessary to understand why we tend to imbue emotions with such importance and power. While base emotions are linked to the ‘fast-twitch’ Instinctual process, the more complex emotions – the ones we subconsciously craft over more time – tend to be the ones we build belief sets around. This is very important to Red Pill awareness because it explains the motivations for, and foundations of, feminine-primary belief sets of both men and women, as well as the feminine-primary social order that is a result of those belief sets.
Gender Differences
Despite all the protestations of egalitarian minds, men and women are fundamentally different. Biologically, neurologically, endocrinologically and psychologically our gender-specific differences are significant. This isn’t a revelation to my Red Pill aware readers, but it’s a radical statement for the past generations who are emotionally invested in the idea of a blank-slate parity between the sexes they’ve been conditioned to believe is true. As I mention above, an ego-investment is component part of the personality of the individual so invested. To attack the investment, the belief, the ideology, the educated-but-misinformed opinion, is to attack the person. That belief set, like the emotions that compounded to develop it, is subjective to the individual experiencing the emotions that led to it.
One presupposition that has been a part of the manosphere for as long as I’ve been a part of it is that women put “feels before realz”. In several essays I’ve made a case for women’s innate communication style being context based – women focus on how the communication makes them feel; the information conveyed is secondary. For men this is reversed; men prioritize the content (the information) of the communication and the context is secondary. I’ve written a lot about how each sex evolved into their communication priorities, but down to the biological level, per our sex, the answers can be found in how our brains differ.
There are many multivariate studies that reveal similar findings and brain imaging, and the uncanny complementarity between men and women’s brains. For the most part studies indicate that women tend to prioritize the Emotional interpretive process above the Rational interpretive process and vice versa for men. That is not to say women are entirely incapable of reason, nor does it imply that men are emotionally stunted. What I’m suggesting is that our innate, biological predispositions prioritize our interpretive processes to emotion in women and rationality in men. Women can be taught to prioritize reason over emotion and, as I’ll illustrate next, men most definitely can be taught conditioned to prioritize emotion above their innate reason.
There are also numerous studies on how these interpretive prioritization function as a result of neurological gendered differences in men and women. Women process negative emotions differently than men. Men largely lack the brain architecture (wiring) to process emotion in the same manner and with the same degree of prioritization as women do. This is simply how we’re built, but before any woman pops off about their ‘superior’ emotional capacity, bear in mind, women’s brains are not wired for the rational and spatial tasks men’s brains are more suited to. Out of the womb, a boy is predisposed to throw an object with greater force and more accuracy than a girl. And that’s just one easy illustration of the mental firmware men are born with.
None of this, however, is about one sex being superior to the other’s innate predispositions. It’s not a contest, it’s just about which disposition is better suited to a task. But still, the first inclination today is to presume women’s greater emotional capacity should be the normative in our present-day feminine-primary social order. For the past 60+ years we’ve lived in a social condition that has made every attempt to feminize men; to get them more in touch with their emotions – to condition men, despite their brain wiring, to prioritize the Emotional process above both instinct and reason.
To reiterate, women are not necessarily handicapped because the Rational process isn’t their innate, predisposed preference, but neither are men handicapped for lacking the interpretive hardware to prioritize the Emotional process as women do. That said, for the past 4-5 generations we’ve lived in a social order that has presumed a blank-slate equalist perspective of men and women. We live in a time when men not emoting like women is a disorder to be treated and conditioned. We presume today that boys are defective girls because they don’t prioritize the Emotional in their communications or their interpretive process. Today the Emotional process that women innately prefer is the ‘correct’ way for all, egalitarian, blank-slate equals to prioritize their interpretations of the world and each other with.
As most of my readers already know, I see the presumption of equalism as being little more than a cover story for feminine primacy. For several generations now, and especially since the Sexual Revolution, the pretense of gender equality has been the vehicle for female social primacy. At first it was subtle and inoffensive, but today this social engineering effort is out in the open. And with more and more empirical evidence mounting that proves the sexes are far less “equal” in nature than prior egalitarian doctrines would allow anyone to accept, we see an intensifying effort to retain the social narrative on the part of equalist. Only now it’s focused on the innate ‘wrongness’ of masculinity by demonizing and pathologizing anything conventionally masculine. This new intensive effort is only able to find legitimacy because prior feminized generations base their belief sets on the the inherent ‘correctness’ of prioritizong the Emotional process – a process that is fundamentally, biologically linked to women’s preferences in interpreting the world around them.
So today we look at men as if they’re stunted and ‘wrong’ for communicating with other men in a way that prioritizes information before how it makes them feel. We still today implore men to get in touch with their feminine sides – the last vestige of Car Jung’s bastardized and now disproven animus theories – but pity men for lacking the hardware to emote ‘correctly’ like women. We don’t teach boys emotional control because in our emotional-prioritizing social order anything that looks like control seems like masculine oppression of emotional expression. Instead we create new, more intense, ways of discouraging men of ever embracing or “getting in touch” with their masculine sides. We discard masculine discipline for emotional pretense. We teach boys at younger and younger ages to fear and despise their innate masculine selves. We create programs to cure masculinity as if it were a health crisis. This effort will only intensify as gender differences become more and more unignorable and the social engineering of the last 60 years becomes more obvious.
As a basis of that cure is the fundamental presumption that interpreting our world through the filter of Emotion should supersede or entirely disqualify the Rational interpretive process. As you might guess, men’s innate predisposition is to interpret our world through Reason. Today we live in a world where feelings trump both instinct and reason. This is why the current generation makes the Emotional process and their feelings more important than any other consideration – they are the cumulative result of having prioritized women’s emotional preferences above all else, while simultaneously engineering consecutive generations of feminized men to facilitate it for the last seven decades.
In the next and final installment in this series I’ll be addressing the Rational interpretive process and how we might imagine better future generations based on seizing and instituting a social order founded on masculine reason.
Haha – “It’s not supposed to be like this. Something is fucked-up along the way somewhere. Best we find out what that is. I think the western women are being manipulated actually – is what it looks like to me.” Of course – we no longer have provisions for removing the psychos from positions of power, because, with the larger and larger groupings of human organization, it has become much easier for psychos to hide and operate in plain sight. And it has been this way for quite some time now, but things are getting worse faster now. Our culture… Read more »
@Wild Man: “We should start identifying and killing a good portion of the psychos is what we should do. We are gonna need some criteria as to who to off in the group, – probably smart to keep some still, but watch them good.” Wow … Look who is being a psycho now? “It’s either that or western women are going to haveta wake the fuck up. But what are the chances of that when even redpill guys kowtow to female responsibility-avoidance?” From where do you get the idea that redpill guys kowtow to female responsibility-avoidance? “They are just girls… Read more »
The odds are against them having many if any kids depending on how driven they are. The problem is they hit 38 and lose it, some might have a kid, occasionally even 2.
Exactly what happened to me. At 37-ish she just seemed to get bored of her STEM work and it was “let’s have kid”. My jism is especially potent so we had no problem popping out 2 kids up until the age of 41. I didn’t know any better so I went along.
She’s got her name on a patent somewhere but not on a marriage certificate.
Wild Man
. are you now saying you didn’t actually mean it ….. that you should’na have put superego/id together with and corresponding with beta/alpha? That in fact – in your mind – there is no correspondence?
Is your system shorting out?
https://therationalmale.com/2018/04/23/the-instinctual-process/#comment-249177
Id is to Super Ego what Instinct is to Morality, what Alpha is to Beta, what the Platinum Rule is to the Golden Rule what the Red Pill is to the Blue Pill…
or as kfg succinctly put it what Bullets are to the Ghost Dance…
SJF
@May 3, 2018 at 7:27 pm
lolz
@Palma “So human women do the same thing. Who knew? So he knows Alpha Fux, (and beta lobsters get killed) especially when women are in estrus but he can’t / wont close the loop and apply this to human inter gender relations and this is because he is religious and blue pill so he just can’t confront the conflicting reality.” This is part of the lie of equalism,combined with the propensity to project. She has fewer constraints to the point even of encouragement to act out in a negative way for civility. It is this confusion that is the blue… Read more »
@Wild Man: – “What a fucking stupid world we live in. Fuck this gay world. it’s not supposed to be like this.” So who decides what it is supposed to be like? It IS what it IS. And nature decides it. – “Something is fucked-up along the way somewhere. Best we find out what that is.”. And what the fu@k do you think the manosphere is about. – “I think the western women are being manipulated actually – is what it looks like to me” It is clear that you have not read “The Rational Male” book. Do yourself a… Read more »
“So human women do the same thing. Who knew? So he knows Alpha Fux, (and beta lobsters get killed) especially when women are in estrus but he can’t / wont close the loop and apply this to human inter gender relations and this is because he is religious and blue pill so he just can’t confront the conflicting reality.” I don’t understand this statement in the context, which followed a paragraph ending in this sentence: ” It’s also one used by females of many different species including humans” He seems to acknowledge this strategy is made by human women. But… Read more »
“Id is to Super Ego what Instinct is to Morality, what Alpha is to Beta, what the Platinum Rule is to the Golden Rule what the Red Pill is to the Blue Pill… or as kfg succinctly put it what Bullets are to the Ghost Dance…” Sentient – yeah got you there buddy. Change the way you present your analogies all you want – Isn’t gonna change the fact that it’s your cryptic way to continue to maintain that the Ego/Reality function doesn’t have anything to do with anything, which is what you were insinuating in the first place. And… Read more »
Wildman, Look – I got issues with respect to watching out so I don’t go feral myself ….. why the fuck do I have to watch out for her so she don’t go feral – with all these strategies, and mindsets, and goggles, and minding-on-her. Fuck that. That should be her job. Now you’re getting to the heart of the matter. I’m glad you finally stopped your manstering, buffering posts trying to pick a fight with everyone who can actually help you navigate your way through this maze. The above remarks indicate the dawning of your red pill awareness, and… Read more »
“So who decides what it is supposed to be like? It IS what it IS. And nature decides it.”
Yeah – that’s my point though. We didn’t get from there to here, nature-wise, by letting psychopathy go unchecked.
““They are just girls – Blaximus” – understand what this means, get it gold plated and hang it in your bedroom.”
“From where do you get the idea that redpill guys kowtow to female responsibility-avoidance?”
Hahaha – from you for instance. For crissakes – you actually have the vacuity to write those two statements, one following the other, (never mind just well separated in the same comment, which would still show some vacuity of mind).
Wild Man, whats your story? Married, divorced, age? We know about your son, sorry again, any other kids? Tell us more about you. I think it might be helpful if you shift your focus away from psycho-social analysis towards self-improvement. That’s where you will find the benefits of this site.
““They are just girls – Blaximus” – understand what this means, get it gold plated and hang it in your bedroom.” How in the WORLD did you ever get the idea that RP guys are kowtowing to anyone from this statement??? You truly do NOT understand what this means. You do nothing to improve your knowledge base, or improve any other aspect of yourself, as far as I can see, yet you continue to debate on matters you do not understand. Dude, go radio silent, take Incubus’ advice to read the book(s). Then take some time to think on what… Read more »
Look – I got issues with respect to watching out so I don’t go feral myself ….. why the fuck do I have to watch out for her so she don’t go feral – with all these strategies, and mindsets, and goggles, and minding-on-her. Fuck that. That should be her job. Yeah, she should be able to do it like a man. Pure equalism. With training, a girl can keep herself civilized. But most guys don’t know that, or if they do, don’t want to put in the work to train the girl. And game can make it easier for… Read more »
Socrates was convicted of psychopathy. He wasn’t executed for it. He was executed for refusing ostracization.
An ostrakon naming a man suspected of being a traitor at the Battle of Marathon, nearly dooming Greece to Persian domination:
And naming the man who won the Battle of Salamis, one of the most remarkable victories in military history, saving Greece from Persian domination:
Traitor and hero, both ostracized. This is Western Civ.
Anyway – thanks.for trying to help me Eh. Thanks everybody for trying to help me see what you guys see, I guess . For crissakes is this fucking confusing. Look – I guess I don’t really belong here though (at least for now). Maybe I gotta go away again for awhile and ponder all this some more. ‘Jumper’ is really about understanding. Everyone carries demons around, they carry some sort of scar around. The message of Jumper is that there comes a time when you have to put the past away. Jumper –Third Eye Blind: I wish you would step… Read more »
…that’s my point though. We didn’t get from there to here, nature-wise, by letting psychopathy go unchecked. We didn’t get from here to there civilization wise without a check to psychopaths. Psychopaths make up roughly 15 to 25 per cent of the prison population. On the other hand: https://io9.gizmodo.com/5916074/should-we-eliminate-psychopaths-from-the-gene-pool Kevin Dutton, the author of the upcoming book, The Wisdom of Psychopaths, agrees. He feels that psychopathy is an indelible component of the human fabric that extends well beyond the business world. Dutton feels that psychopaths have a lot of good things going for them. He argues that they are fearless,… Read more »
What a fucking stupid world we live in. Fuck this gay world. it’s not supposed to be like this. Something is fucked-up along the way somewhere. Best we find out what that is. I think the western women are being manipulated actually – is what it looks like to me Eh … not really, no. All that’s happened is that women have been freed to live out their instinct more fully, that’s all. Consequences of certain actions were removed by science, and dependencies were removed by law and the change to a services economy, with the result that women can… Read more »
“You are in denial – “that should be her job”. I think we all would agree it would be easier if it were her job, but based on intersexual dynamics, it ISN’T her job, its yours. Man up or shut up. Burden of performance, dude” Of course you are gonna say that. More kowtowing to female responsibility-avoidance, that. Of course it’s her fucking job. Now. Or we go back towards a culture whereby women obtain protections from a singular man, or we eliminate at least some of the psychopathy. These are the choices marelius – yes? The choices: – continue… Read more »
“Traitor and hero, both ostracized. This is Western Civ.”
Happening now too. The same people in leadership positions who were heroes only a short time ago are the type that would be fired within a week in the “culture of compliance” of today.
(but this has been changing slowly in the past few months)
Wildman, you should relate to the following Blue Pill Equalist song:
Why can’t a woman be more like a man?
“It’s just incredible that it’s all in his head but not connected” JP got the same problem as me. He likes western culture (as in ‘true west’). A lot. That’s the way it is all connected in his head. And he can see the dangers on the horizon to some degree, nebulous-like – yes. But perhaps he actually hasn’t identified who the embodiment of these dangers actually are – still just nebulous for him – that’s what it seems like to me about him. And his bias on women helps him keep it just at the nebulous-like stage, the diffuse… Read more »
“I said it’s not connected in his head – firewall” I know what you said. I said, it looks like to me, that it is all connected in his head – by way of the rationale I stated above. Western culture does work if there is a way to eliminate too much psychopathic influence. In that way – JP’s premises are all connected just fine. If women’s choices around their method for differentiating and choosing around alpha/beta, (like I outlined in comment above May 3rd @ 10:38 p.m.), was narrowed, by way of psychopathy removal – voila – western culture… Read more »
“Have you read his book” – only some of it. I gonna make some time now to finish it though. But I pretty much know his thesis already. He is a really good talker. Easy to read him when he talks. He be talented that way. I have watched alot of his vids (on his own youtube channel), plus a hella lot of shorter clips of him speaking offered by other bloggers and youtube types.
Western culture does work if there is a way to eliminate too much psychopathic influence.
No, western culture works when there’ss free enterprise, women’s status is low relative to men and women are trained properly. No women voting, etc. Psychopaths aren’t a serious problem.
@Wild Man: “For crissakes – you actually have the vacuity to write those two statements, one following the other, (never mind just well separated in the same comment, which would still show some vacuity of mind).” If all you see is “vacuity” between those two statements, then you just proved your ignorance on the matter you have been unsuccessfully debating for the last few weeks. Either you are lazy to put in the work of understanding inter sexual dynamics by reading Rollo’s books …. or you are really scared to touch them because it will destroy everything you have believed… Read more »
“. . . ‘true west’ . . . ”
Ave Sol Invictus
Palmasailor By the way I’m a long way from convinced that the bulk of psychopathy was checked in the past. Well, that depends. Just off the cuff: Redbeard the highwayman psycho eventually wound up being executed, and in a dramatic fashion, too. HIs distant cousin, the Viscount psycho succeeded in leading his men against the Spanish or French or someone and winning a battle. Eventually he pushed too far and got dead in battle, or maybe skewered in a duel. Wild Person is just thrashing around inside his head because he’s choking on the red pill. Pretending the world is… Read more »
“By the way I’m a long way from convinced that the bulk of psychopathy was checked in the past. ….. I doubt it was even diagnosed in most cases and almost certainly not diagnosed prior to mainstream healthcare / nanny state” The basis of western culture was formed prior to agriculture. Much smaller groups. Easy for everyone to see who is who, and really understand what makes them tick.. A type of hunter-gatherer/herder culture, that required high trust, because … harsh environmental conditions. A bit too much back-stabbing ….. the men, by consensus, would kill the dude. Thus the western… Read more »
“No, western culture works when there’ss free enterprise, women’s status is low relative to men and women are trained properly. No women voting, etc. Psychopaths aren’t a serious problem.” Wrong (with respect to “Psychopaths aren’t a serious problem”). . Free enterprise is contingent upon: High trust => positive feedbacks around cooperation => intel accrual => resource accrual. The other portion of your comment asd – “(when) women’s status is low relative to men and women are trained properly. No women voting, etc”. Now there is a great deal of difference of opinion on that matter, within the wider culture, and… Read more »
Wildman: “– or eliminate at least some of the growing preponderance of psychopathic influence that has befallen us”
Rollo: “Women do in fact observably and predictably reward assholes and excessively dominant Alpha men with genuine desire and sexual enthusiasm.
Agreeableness and humility in men has been associated with a negative predictor of sex partners.”
https://therationalmale.com/2016/01/06/the-red-pill-balance/
Novaseeker All that’s happened is that women have been freed to live out their instinct more fully, that’s all. Consequences of certain actions were removed by science, and dependencies were removed by law and the change to a services economy, with the result that women can live their instincts more fully today without concern for consequences and dependencies. Bonus: this is not the first time, either. Sure, it’s more widespread than ever before, but … read the history. Patrician women, rich women and even middle class women in ancient Rome had access to their own means for making sex almost… Read more »
Novaseeker “What you can change is you, and how you navigate the context, and step one in that process is to stop caring so much about evaluating the context (useless questions like it is “fair” and so on, are a road to nowhere for a context you cannot change) and focus like a laser beam on you, and how you can take your understanding of the context and use it to improve your navigation of it. That’s all there is. Otherwise you are just spinning wheels over and over and over again.” That’s really on point. Your whole overall well… Read more »
Palmasailor
I still choke on TRP from time to time and it’s been years.
Yeah, me too. It’s an ongoing process. I see things in social situations now that I would have missed just 2 years back. Makes me wonder what I’m not seeing now…
“Pretty funny, given the brain diagrams Rollo embedded in the OP. Look at those pictures, Wild Person, then tell us about your “ought”. Or re-read what Novaseeker wrote and meditate on the “is”. ” AR – yes – there are big gender differences. I never said there wasn’t. Are the differences best described as ‘differences in motivation, thus differences in focus, thus differences in strivings, thus differences in deriving meaning from the environment’? Which would indicate that female responsibility avoidance might be something for which tolerance is unwarranted. Or are the differences more qualitative? Which would indicate that female responsibility… Read more »
palmasailor – for crissakes – if resource-accrual is not protected by way of property-rights, the whole fucking thing falls apart pronto. Where do you think the idea of resource-accrual protections by way of property-rights, came from – eh?
Rollo: “They say fuck it, women only respond to the most base selfishly individualistic, socio or psychopathic of men, so the personality they adopt is one that hammers his idealism flat and exaggerates his ‘Dark Triad‘ traits beyond all believability.” Psychopaths outbang and outbreed. I was walking yesterday. I walked past a trashy multiplex, a 2 year old, 50 feet away, was sitting in his diaper next to his impoverished young mom on the stoop. He sees me, points at me, excitedly telling his mom: “Mama…Daddy!” Go after the psychopath, you go after Alpha, their Alpha widows, their kids. By… Read more »
Eh – you said:
“Rollo: “Women do in fact observably and predictably reward assholes and excessively dominant Alpha men with genuine desire and sexual enthusiasm. …. Agreeableness and humility in men has been associated with a negative predictor of sex partners.”
So? I’m not arguing against that actually. That is now. What about where we came from? Look at that – glean some insights form that – is what I am saying. Also ‘Agreeableness and humility’ are slippery words. True west is more-so about ‘fairness and the humility of self-knowledge’, but no doormat.
Wildman is your typical guy new to Red Pill who still holds fast to Equalist fantasies while accepting Hypergamy. He blames women for not fixing themselves, ignoring the fact that women were trained before socialism and feminism gained the upper hand in the 20th century. Men have always been behind training and civilizing women, even if they did it indirectly via other women training women. I used to believe like Wildman did about 3-4 years ago. Socialism created the Betabux socialist welfare state so that women didn’t need betabux men as much unless they wanted to go the UMC route.… Read more »
“Waaaay down the road there are some problems if we continue to pound the square peg of “boy” into the round hole of “girl” in the K – 12 and university system, because men are the inventors & innovators, not girls (no matter what STEM feminists say). But that’s later. This is now. ” AR – wrong – not way down the road. Psychos are gonna majorly fuck this whole thing up – world war 3 style – if this is not checked soon. Thar women are so easily fooled and blind to this shit is disgusting. That men kowtow… Read more »
Wild Person AR – yes – there are big gender differences. I never said there wasn’t. Except when you want women to act like men… Are the differences best described as ‘differences in motivation, thus differences in focus, thus differences in strivings, thus differences in deriving meaning from the environment’? Not really. The differences are biological, down at the level of brain wiring. Below “motivation”, because the “motivation” is based on the biology. Which would indicate that female responsibility avoidance might be something for which tolerance is unwarranted. “Why can’t a woman…be more like a man?” Because cats are not… Read more »
I think I made an error in my previous comment. I wrote, “He [Wildman] blames women for not fixing themselves,” This came from an early iteration of my comment. I later realized that Wildman is attempting to fix the blame on men for being “psychopaths” who “break women” and “create Hypergamy.” Lessons from The Taming of the Shrew: 1. Shrews must be tamed, Kate being the most shrewish of women. 2. Women can be tamed with mixed messages of kindness/cruelty…Petruchio starves Katerina, saying that the food that the servants prepared isn’t good enough for her 3. Training must be tested…Petruchio… Read more »
“Go after the psychopath, you go after Alpha, their Alpha widows, their kids. By all means just try it. Go out there and try your schizophrenic ranting on some dude you “peg” as psychopath. ….. No chops Wildman. All kj, no action.” Eh – to go after the psychos who have coalesced at the top of out power structures, first go after their schtick. Start with the postmodernist crap. There be people that sell this crap, do not act accordingly themselves, but have a lot of influence nevertheless. Hey – why not shoot a few of these fuckers? But seriously… Read more »
Ar- your comment – “Not really. The differences are biological, down at the level of brain wiring. Below “motivation”, because the “motivation” is based on the biology.”
So – what’s you point? Biology informs cognition, including motivation. So? Non-point within the context of the discussion.
AR
“Yeah, me too. It’s an ongoing process. I see things in social situations now that I would have missed just 2 years back. Makes me wonder what I’m not seeing now…”
That’s on point. Same for me being aware and on the ball. Being in social situations where i learn when to come in and participate.
Wild man, do you have any personal goals for the next month, year, 5 years? If so, can you tell us what they are? I am trying to connect the dots of your posts to the dots in your life, and cannot come up with an explanation of what you are trying to accomplish, either here on this blog, or IRL. If all you are doing is having an academic debate about the perils of women gaining the upper hand in society, while not behaving in a logical, predictable manner, then all you are doing is barking at the moon.… Read more »
asd – but I’m not arguing against female hypergamy. So this is not a matter of:
“fix the blame on men for being “psychopaths” who “break women” and “create Hypergamy.”
No – the hypergamy is there all along. A ‘design’ feature of the female form. But said ‘design’ feature contains a flaw. Female selection with respect to hypergamy can’t understand what a modicum of masculine self-doubt, ‘rules-to-live-by-style’, or ‘masculine-principles-style’, means vis-a-vis a lack of masculine self-doubt (or at least self-doubt that not well hidden).
I’m running out of keyboards to bang my head against.
“Property rights depend on title. ….. That’s useless unless you have a strong legal and contractual framework. …..Where does the word TRUST appear there?”
What? That’s the point though. A strong legal and contractual framework is intended for the promotion and maintenance of trust. What’s so hard to understand here?
True west is about competition/cooperation working in tandem – better than any other cultural system. Thus superior resource accrual. Thus better outcomes for more people. That’s the point.
Wildman
https://bit.ly/2HTkBkm
I’m running out of keyboard
“Men will be the solution if women are ever civilized again, but Wildman believes that men are the problem”
asd – no – like I have said all along here – psychopathy is the major problem. What is so hard to understand about this?
Lmfao.😅😅
“Traitor and hero, both ostracized. This is Western Civ.” this idea would have bugged me before. how the fuck can the two be treated the same. now I’m like, k, where da big titties at? related: “Stress kills” see mcgonical. changed her position on stress after advising paying clients to avoid stress for a decadeish stress not all negative as built in mechanisms can combat it. if you can dial it in, use it, it can spur great growth (see lifting heavy) unchecked, constant, unaddressed low level stress will indeed fuck a guy up, but in terms of starting hormone… Read more »
Wild Person
R – wrong – not way down the road. Psychos are gonna majorly fuck this whole thing up – world war 3 style – if this is not checked soon. Thar women are so easily fooled and blind to this shit is disgusting. That men kowtow to that blindness (either ‘bluepill’ or ‘redpill’ style) is disgusting.
Although it’s not uncommon for a man to switch back and forth between the anger phase and the depression phase, blackpilling isn’t a solution.
“blackpilling isn’t a solution”
AR- Blackpilling means going nihilistic. I am counseling against that, but it seems you might be counseling for that. Who be blackpill then?
“A strong legal framework is precisely because you can’t trust. ….It doesn’t create trust. To trust someone because there is a law is a ridiculous and naïve position to take. …..But I’m coming to the conclusion that you’re lashing out at everything and everyone like a coked up moron” What – you still not getting this? You have a legal structure and a judiciary to enforce the property-rights laws, so that people know they have recourse if the other party walshes on their end of the agreement, so that those more-so predisposed to gaming the high-trust environment by way of… Read more »
Marelius,
He’s been here before, admitted he’s due for a neckup-checkup and intimated he’s been committed for mental illness. No judgement per se, but he’s more of a social strain than any figment of psychopath malevolence. Divorced long ago though still WKs his ex.
He’s lonely and, like a woman, craves attention, bad, good, neutral, don’t matter.
He can’t do this dialogue anywhere else and it’s all he’s got in his head…so he’s stuck at the keyboard…this is his IRL.
Fucked up existence. Bummer.
No – the hypergamy is there all along. A ‘design’ feature of the female form. But said ‘design’ feature contains a flaw. Female selection with respect to hypergamy can’t understand what a modicum of masculine self-doubt, ‘rules-to-live-by-style’, or ‘masculine-principles-style’, means vis-a-vis a lack of masculine self-doubt (or at least self-doubt that not well hidden). You need to work on your phraseology. “Female selection with respect to hypergamy”…I have no idea what you mean by this…many possibilities “female selection…can’t understand”…you need to think a lot more about your ideas…this makes no sense it seems like you are saying that women don’t… Read more »
“He’s been here before, admitted he’s due for a neckup-checkup and intimated he’s been committed for mental illness.” Never. No. Wellbutrin to quit smoking years ago is the only ‘antidepressant’ I have ever been on. No mental health counseling. I did have that 3-month episode when I was 12 years old, but …… I dealt with that on my own (didn’t tell anyone about it during), and it came out just fine nevertheless. I write that off to crazy shit that can happen during testosterone escalation most probably – that gonna shape your brain, and that takes time. Probably happens… Read more »
Wildman
What happens when the phyco gets the girl and reproduce’s?
https://bit.ly/2jwjdcS
“He’s lonely and, like a woman, craves attention, bad, good, neutral, don’t matter.” No. No craving attention. I don’t need much. Very little. I’m an introvert. Too much irl attention drives me bananas. Isn’t that why you are here too Eh? – discuss things more anonymously? At your own pace? Go back in the history here – you have most probably posted at least 10 fold if not 100 fold over me, over time. So you got no point – as always it seems. But I’m not getting anything out of posting here anymore. The commentariat here and I mostly… Read more »
mainly about this female responsibility avoidance thing
You’re doubling down on your Equalism here. Your position is that cats are dogs. Cats should be expected to have the same responsibility as dogs. But cats aren’t dogs….
palmsailor – I’m 58. Your comment – “You need that because you can’t trust the bastards.”
No, like I said you need ‘that’ because you can’t trust the few bastards, and as such with ‘that’ (legal structure and a judiciary to enforce the property-rights and contracts) discounting the few bastards influence by way of the promises of punishments, the big majority of high-trusters can then get on with it – like I said.
I don’t want to argue about this particular western free enterprise thing anymore. You just keep making the same error in logic.
asd – you comment – “mainly about this female responsibility avoidance thing …..You’re doubling down on your Equalism here. Your position is that cats are dogs. Cats should be expected to have the same responsibility as dogs. But cats aren’t dogs….”.
No. Go read my comment of 7:51 a.m. today again.
Touting a adherence to western civ ideal…IDK…it’s like saying your for Truth. Kinda virtue signaling within the manosphere.
When Peterson does it he’s pandering to a certain crowd though I’m pretty sure he’s not effecting the direction of western civilization. His own life should be one of Truth but he’s living a duplicity BP life.
An open collared Wildman.
palmasailor
Handshakes over law?
https://bit.ly/2wbV7gK
White fences / Something the blue pill makes of us all.
https://bit.ly/2JS584t
Even took the dudes wife…
https://bit.ly/2FKm62j
palmsailor – I had a long successful career in large-scale commercial real estate management and development, middle-management-wise. Dealt with a variety of lawyers, over man different contexts. a whole lot. There are good ones, but, generally …. lawyers are low-trust. Lawyers often fuck things up business-strategy-wise. I think the law profession has become more of a liability actually. “don’t know where you’ve been where in business you can trust anyone without a contract” The contract makes everybody happy, with respect to fair practices to fall back upon, when unforeseen events occur, which they often do in business management, …. as… Read more »
kfg
I’m running out of keyboards to bang my head against.
EBay has them cheap. There’s a local
junk shopcomputer recycle center with really old stuff. They might have one of those old PS/2 keyboards with the metal case. Should last a long time. Want me to go look around? Or we could go the other way – Nerf keyboard…Eh – your comment – “Touting a adherence to western civ ideal…IDK…it’s like saying your for Truth. Kinda virtue signaling within the manosphere.”
But you should be for something though – yes?
Wild Person hypergamy is there all along. A ‘design’ feature of the female form. Design feature of the female brain: instinct AND emotion AND reason. But said ‘design’ feature contains a flaw. Female selection with respect to hypergamy can’t understand what a modicum of masculine self-doubt, ‘rules-to-live-by-style’, or ‘masculine-principles-style’, means vis-a-vis a lack of masculine self-doubt (or at least self-doubt that not well hidden). Right, because hypergamy ought to be what you want it to be, rather than what hypergamy actually is. You want a cat to act like a dog. Because “fairness” or something. There’s your problem. Again. PS:… Read more »
@Palma Sailor:
‘Cuz we wuz tribal hunter-gatherers. Unlike anybody else. And we would have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for those pesky agriculturists inventing civilization and shit.
@AR: My first keyboard was an IBM that weighed 20 lbs, although to be fair it was also my printer/monitor.
@Wild Man: “Haven’t you known any psychos really well?”
With a Murderpedia article and everything.
“Right, because hypergamy ought to be what you want it to be, rather than what hypergamy actually is. You want a cat to act like a dog. Because “fairness” or something.”
No AR – saying that, at least for the peoples that eventually became the west, that hypergamy operated within conditions whereby psychopathic influence was routinely removed, ….. is not and ‘ought’ statement, it is an ‘is’ statement.
And you live in the west. So that is an ‘is’ too.
@ Wildman
No.
Eh – for your family?
You don’t know why you’re here. You say you do…you fool no one.
Brains and the body
https://bit.ly/2rmKUsX
Stuff in men that’s not in women.
Sex and Violence
https://bit.ly/2wiJ6X0
Myths women science and Everything you want to know…
3
https://bit.ly/2HTAyai
Marriage and pair bonding
asd – you comment – “mainly about this female responsibility avoidance thing …..You’re doubling down on your Equalism here. Your position is that cats are dogs. Cats should be expected to have the same responsibility as dogs. But cats aren’t dogs….”.
No. Go read my comment of 7:51 a.m. today again.
I knew you’d say something like this…it merely shows how emotionally invested you are in Equalism when you hold contradictory positions like expecting cats to shoulder responsibility as if they are dogs.
As long as you allow yourself to hold contradictory positions, there’s no reasoning with you.
hypergamy operated within conditions whereby psychopathic influence was routinely removed
I should use this in my garden.
Wildman assumes the Victorian view of womanhood–that women are fundamentally asexual Madonnas/”good girls” unless they are “taken advantage of” by psychopaths/scoundrels/rounders like Don Juan or Tom Jones. This is the default religious view in America; the apostle Paul, by contrast, warns that there are women who “give themselves to pleasure”…this warning is given because it potentially applies to all women, not because the apostle Paul takes the Madonna/Whore binary view of women…the apostle Paul would be scandalized by the religious/tradcon binary Madonna/Whore view of women
I swear yall have the same arguments in every thread
“Calling him out on his family looks like the last refuge of a coward that’s out of options”
What? Eh said – ‘No’ to my question “But you should be for something though – yes?” further to his comment that standing for western civilization is probably something he doesn’t have any sentiment for. So I asked him if he stood for his family.
And that question makes me a coward? Alright I’m gone, not coming back. Something not right about the commentariat here.
Something not right about the commentariat here.
AR detected a pattern within the commentariat…. 😉
Palma – “Yep, and where did you plan to go with that I wonder”. But the obvious answer to that question for everyone is ‘yes of course I stand for my family’ – no? Unless you don’t have one, but Eh does. So that simple answer suffices. No need for it to get personal. Eh’s family is his business, none of mine. But when Eh suggests he shouldn’t stand for anything – come on, that is dishonest – right? Why is it so weird to ask the one question that will reveal that to Eh himself (unless he is actually… Read more »
Wild Person
No AR – saying that, at least for the peoples that eventually became the west, that hypergamy operated within conditions
So what? Hypergamy is operating within conditions now, too. That’s not a point. If you meant to write “limits” or “limitations” then try actually doing so.
whereby psychopathic influence was routinely removed,
Sez you. Ghengis Khan disagrees.
….. is not and ‘ought’ statement, it is an ‘is’ statement.
Your goalposts are outside the stadium and rolling down the parking lot by now.
But cats are still not dogs.
kfg
@AR: My first keyboard was an IBM that weighed 20 lbs, although to be fair it was also my printer/monitor.
Uh, that’s not the keyboard you’re using while reading WIld Person is it? Hope not, that’s got to leave a mark.
Anyway, what games did you play on it besides “lunar lander”?
Mersonia
I swear yall have the same arguments in every thread
And here you thought “Groundhog Day” was just a movie…
AR – you can’t keep up. So whatever – I’m done. Same with asd – comment at 12:39 p.m – conflating ‘female lust’ with ‘female difficulties understanding what masculine self-doubt, as an operation of the rational, is’. Two different things. You can’t keep up asd. Whatever.
Wild Person
AR – you can’t keep up.
Keeping up just fine with your flip-flops and goalpost moves. No problem at all.
So whatever – I’m done.
Oh, you don’t really mean that, Scarlett…
@NotSoWildThing
Using female argumentation strategies won’t help you resolve your internal contradictions.
@WildThingThatArguesLikeAfemale
Saying that someone can’t keep up who has done leading edge physics undermines your credibility.
conflating ‘female lust’ with ‘female difficulties understanding what masculine self-doubt, as an operation of the rational, is’.
I didn’t conflate any such thing…now your nose is growing, Pinocchio
@fleezerGood stuff about stress. Kelly McGonigal – TED talk worth viewing. Everyond shuld know the old herbalist saying, “The dose makes the poison” applies to stress also. Only in a high-resource civilization can anyone hope to get to zero stress, so it’s not what we are adapted to. But I had not made the mental connection between mental / emotional stress and lifting-stress. Dunno why not, the neural pathway / neuroplasticity concept points that way. Look at Blaximus getting done with a fear of heights – controlled doses of the stress until his brain got used to the idea and… Read more »
But cats are still not dogs.
But they are both animals, just like men and women are both human.
I leave the category of the fallacy as an exercise for the reader.
@ Wildman
“So that simple answer suffices.”
Fail.
You won’t know what I know until you know.
You think men are any less emotional than women? Men are the idealists – it is men who pour more emotion into relationships than women – women are the practical optimizers of finding partners. Men succumb to depression, to anger, to rage, to sadness, to hope, to anything that testosterone will drive them to – it has been emotion in men that has ever driven them to go to war, to build empires etc – just look at the emotions that men like Hitler poured out to sway millions of men to arms. Women give not as many cares for… Read more »
Who are Europeans, genetically? Well….don’t tell Wild Person, but…
ttps://westhunt.wordpress.com/2018/05/01/who-we-are-9-europe/
Looks like the science of genetics is pushing the Boas / Mead / Ashley Montague fairytales right into the ash heap. The term “battle axe culture” has fallen into disuse, but it’s coming back.
How many legends that can be found in different European cultures actually have some basis in fact, just from 4,000 or more years ago? The legends that resonate in our unconscious minds…
HT you guys finally beat the wild person into submission by default.
On the JP topic every time he mentions his wife or relationship he immediately loses composure.
Then on the compliance culture subject this woman thinks things will tighten up to chaotic levels.
https://youtu.be/zS_RtvrsoIs
Order and choas
https://nbcnews.to/2IfDyBa
Peterson’s Event in DC
https://bit.ly/2IcW25d
Opening
@Blax
Remember this Oldie?