Thoughts on Aziz Ansari

I’m going to make a confession here; until a week ago I had no idea who Aziz Ansari was. I get he was some low limit comedian, and in today’s social environment that means he lectures an audience about social justice issues for an hour while trying to insert some humor into his act. I’ve pretty much given up on most comedians these days, and I’m a guy who used to love standup. However, my unfamiliarity with Aziz was actually a benefit in assessing his recent pillory in the mainstream. Had I known about him before all this, and his comedy activism, I likely would’ve just dismissed his case as the next guy to be put into the MeToo deadpool of celebrity men – and I’m being generous about the “celebrity” part.

I had actually resigned myself to blowing off his whole story until I started digging into the particulars of the ‘date’ he had with the anonymous “Grace”. On first pass this whole incident is easy to dismiss even for Red Pill aware men with better things to do than bother themselves with another Hollywood chump to go down to the open power grab that MeToo and TimesUp have become. There is, however, a lot to unpack in the whole thing though. If you want the whole story you can read about it here on Babe.net, the blog for “Girls who don’t give a fuck”, which is interesting because apparently they give a lot of fucks according to the story.

Just to break down some of the particulars here:

  • She (Grace) approaches Aziz in the beginning. Flirts with him and then goes back to her date she was with that evening. They would catch each other glancing at the other durning the night (IOIs). They ‘ran into each other’ later and he number closes.
  • Aziz Beta texts her almost immediately and tries to text Game/flirt with her before he asks her out
  • Before meeting Ansari, she tells friends and coworkers about the date and consulted her go-to group chat about what she should wear to fit the “cocktail chic” dress-code he gave her. She settled on “a tank-top dress and jeans.” She showed me a picture, it was a good outfit.
  • After the white wine she didn’t like, they end up back at his place. She complimented his marble countertops. Ansari turned the compliment into an invitation. “He said something along the lines of, ‘How about you hop up and take a seat?’” Within moments, he was kissing her. “In a second, his hand was on my breast.” Then he was undressing her, then he undressed himself.
  • Ansari tells her he was going to get a condom within minutes of their first kiss, Grace voiced her hesitation explicitly. “I said something like, ‘Whoa, let’s relax for a sec, let’s chill.’” She says he then resumed kissing her, briefly performed oral sex on her, and asked her to do the same thing to him. She did, but not for long. “It was really quick. Everything was pretty much touched and done within ten minutes of hooking up, except for actual sex.”
  • Ansari repeatedly attempts ‘The Claw’. on her “The move he kept doing was taking his two fingers in a V-shape and putting them in my mouth, in my throat to wet his fingers, because the moment he’d stick his fingers in my throat he’d go straight for my vagina and try to finger me.” “It was 30 minutes of me getting up and moving and him following and sticking his fingers down my throat again. It was really repetitive. It felt like a fucking game.”
  • Ansari physically pulled her hand towards his penis multiple times throughout the night, from the time he first kissed her on the countertop onward. “He probably moved my hand to his dick five to seven times,” she said. “He really kept doing it after I moved it away.”
  • Ansari presses her for sex. He asks repeatedly, “Where do you want me to fuck you?” while she was on the countertop. She says she didn’t want to fuck him at all. He keeps asking, so she says, ‘Next time.’ Aziz says, ‘Oh, you mean second date?’ and she says, ‘Oh, yeah, sure,’ and he goes, ‘Well, if I poured you another glass of wine now, would it count as our second date?’
  • She later says she doesn’t want it to seem forced and this wakes Ansari up from his sexual stupor. “He said, ‘Oh, of course, it’s only fun if we’re both having fun. Let’s just chill over here on the couch.’ Ansari instructed her to turn around. “He sat back and pointed to his penis and motioned for me to go down on him. And I did. I think I just felt really pressured. It was literally the most unexpected thing I thought would happen at that moment because I told him I was uncomfortable.”
  • Halfway into the encounter, he led her from the couch to a different part of his apartment. He said he had to show her something. Then he brought her to a large mirror, bent her over and asked her again, “Where do you want me to fuck you? Do you want me to fuck you right here?” He rammed his penis against her ass while he said it, pantomiming intercourse.
  • They got dressed, sat side by side on the couch they’d already “chilled” on, and he turned on an episode of Seinfeld. While the TV played in the background, he kissed her again, stuck his fingers down her throat again, and moved to undo her pants. She turned away.  “I remember saying, ‘You guys are all the same, you guys are all the fucking same.’” Ansari asked her what she meant. When she turned to answer, she says he met her with “gross, forceful kisses.” After that last kiss, Grace stood up from the couch, moved back to the kitchen island where she left her phone, and said she would call herself a car. He hugged her and kissed her goodbye, another “aggressive” kiss. When she pulled away, Ansari finally relented and insisted he’d call her the car.

All of this detail is important to consider because Ansari’s actions here are classic Beta Game desperation tactics. It is literally one Beta move after another. Many of the reviewers of this incident like to point out that it was really a misunderstood date gone wrong, or else they use it as proof-positive of a sexual assault, but I’m going to argue something different here – Ansari is simply a Beta chump with very little Game savvy who, if he’d had even a hint of Game awareness could’ve had a good sexual experience both for himself and her.

As I’ve mentioned before, I’m not a proponent of men attempting to push past last minute resistance. For as much as “enthusiastic consent” will be used as a tool of fear to dissuade Beta men from even attempting to approach, I can’t say that I wouldn’t want a woman to have a genuine desire to fuck me in any sexual episode. I can remember in my ‘rock star 20s’ doing exactly this. If a woman wasn’t into having sex with me or she had some reservations or some hoops she expected me to jump through in order to get her to “come around” to fucking me I would simply excuse myself from the situation. I was at a point in my life where I had many other (proven) options, and if a new prospect wasn’t an absolutely ‘enthusiastic’  “Hell Yes!” girl I had at least six other women who were eager to come over and fuck me. This was just a subconscious awareness I took for granted at the time, but it was an attitude that stemmed from abundance.

That was essentially my Game back then. It was the natural reflex of an Alpha man and women responded to it. The behaviors and attitudes I exhibited just flowed from my unrehearsed subconscious. It was who I was. Dread is much more effective for a man when a woman sees that he’s oblivious to his causing dread.

Most men never really experience this kind of sexual abundance and as such it colors their outlook and how they expect sex to work for them. One big problem inherent to men’s Blue Pill conditioning is the idea that sex must be negotiated for a woman to feel comfortable enough to fuck a guy, but more importantly in this era, to avoid any misunderstandings that would lead to his getting a sexual misconduct allegation. The Blue Pill teaches men to respect women by default, for no other reason than she has a vagina, but also that open communication, full disclosure and negotiation are necessary elements of sex. We can see this played out in the ludicrous expectation that every sex action a man involves himself in requires vocal enthusiastic consent. This is the acculturation; men are expected to negotiate every sexual detail of a sexual experience.

Needless to say this is patently ridiculous, but it’s also the surest way to kill the actual enthusiasm a woman might actually have for a guy. One thing that will separate Alpha men from Betas in the future will be that man’s honed capacity to remove himself from any sexual situation that is negotiated. Women want to play the Game, they don’t want the Game explained to them. They want a man who Just Gets It and the men who don’t get it will be the ones whose dutiful Blue Pill conditioning prompts them to start any and every approach at intimacy by negotiating the terms for a woman’s desire.

You cannot negotiate genuine desire, but this negotiation is exactly what modern feminism simultaneously fosters and struggles against. The idea of ‘enthusiastic consent’ is really a want on the part of women to have the sex they genuinely have a desire to experience with a man. This is all women want to write about now and the Ansari incident is a textbook example of the kind of negotiated sex women don’t want to have, but sometimes go through with for transactional reasons. Remember, sex with Alpha men is validational for women – lackluster ‘meh’ sex with Beta men is transactional sex. If you only read what women are writing about sex today you’d think that transactional sex is all they’ve ever been having – and sexist men see women as ‘soft’ prostitutes. Now it’s suddenly some revolutionary act for women to have the sex Alpha sex enjoyment they’ve always “deserved” but have been repressed by transactional sex with Betas.

That said, I can’t disagree entirely with the want for an enthusiastic sex partner who genuinely wants to fuck me 12 ways to Tuesday. And this is women’s rationale today, “Don’t you want to fuck a woman who really wants to fuck you?” It’s hard to argue against the “Hell Yes” girl, until you realize that the sex they are describing is only reserved for the guy they really want to bang and mistakenly believe their overinflated self-value warrants.

Now, I’ve read the debate from PUAs who make the point that it is entirely possible to make a ‘No’ girl into a ‘Hell Yes’ girl. I’ve seen the infield videos so I’ll spare you the linking. My question then is, after deftly applying Game and calibrating all the minutiae to do so, how does this compare to a woman who has a genuine desire for you from the start? I think one huge hurdle for guys unplugging from their Blue Pill conditioning have to face is the presupposition that sex is only the result of a process of negotiation. That negotiation is what the Blue Pill teaches boys and men from a very early age.

Aziz! Light!

The Ansari incident has a lot of Red Pill lessons to teach. First and foremost is the fact that Ansari is a consumate Beta. Looking at the guy he resembles any number of Indian computer programmers frustrated by a want for the secret formula to make a gorgeous American blonde with big tits fall in love with him. Don’t get me wrong, I counsel these men personally, but he fits that schema. Next, Ansari is a vocal and outspoken White Knight for feminism and regularly proves his male self-loathing as part of his standup act. I mean, the guy wears a Time’s Up pin. But like most male feminists, he gets hung by his own Beta Game bullshit – this is the fate of all male feminists.

Lastly, Ansari is a Beta who made good. I’ve talked about the Blue Pill White Knights and self-righteous AFCs in many a post, but I’m not sure I’ve emphasized how dangerous this mindset can be for a Beta who has a combination of affluence, celebrity and social proof. There comes a self-validation in that Blue Pill mindset when women want to be associated with him. He develops a belief that it’s his Blue Pill conditioning, and his adherence to it, that is the reason for his relative success with women. This insulates these guys from ever disconnecting from that conditioning, but it also lessens an incentive to see women in any other perspective. The result of this is exactly what Ansari experienced in this incident. He was too comfortable in presuming his pro-woman, female identifying, Beta Game would make his sexual expression ‘Okay’ with any woman who gave him positive sexual interest.

Another big indicator of this, and really much of Beta Game, was his repeated pawing of Grace and repeated sexual expressions with her. It wasn’t working as he believed it should, so what was his solution? Continue with the negotiation and hope for a positive sign of reinforcement from her. Every act that Ansari attempted with Grace was a form of negotiation. I can’t get sex? How about a blow job? No? Okay how about if I go down on you? She feels forced? Woah, default to female identification persona. Presume the sale, “How do you want me to fuck you?”

This is all one big negotiation – there is no genuine desire and no enthusiasm of the part of Grace – but since Ansari has never had the incentive to learn Game he keep going back to what he thinks should work on her.

To wrap all of this up, I should mention that the reason this whole affair went viral is should really be no surprise. It’s one more example of everything MeToo has been harping on for almost 5 months now, yes, but it’s also an illustration of exactly this new sentiment of the “grey area” sex I brought to light in Dangerous Times – Part 2. It’s sex women have out of courtesy (Aziz got a courtesy hummer) or convenience or just as something to do. It is exactly the obligated sex I’ve been talking about since The Desire Dynamic. This incident is exactly the story this ‘grey sex’ sentiment had needed, but in the larger picture it highlights the difference between transactional sex and validational sex.

As Open Hypergamy becomes yet more normalized it’s now time that the Feminine Imperative acknowledges the type of sex women desire and enjoy, and the type of sex they feel obligated to perform as part of a negotiation or transaction. And naturally the need to define what women’s Hypergamy dictates becomes a new form of shame for men. Evil Patriarchal men are to blame for women having to openly acknowledge that they only want to fuck Alpha men with any real enthusiasm. Men are to blame for validational and transactional sex, and now absolved, women can take the next steps in consolidating on Hypergamy.

No, there’s no current legislation that makes ‘unenthusiasitc sex’ a sex crime (yet), but remember that the sexual arms race is always fought in the court of public opinion before anything is written in ink.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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@ scribblerg

Maybe Aziz should be introduced to Bill Burr…or Al Bundy…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0vZhz3sN_E&t=483s

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Anonymous & Blaximus – I rolled laughing earlier when I read ‘Chad Thundercock’, and I was in a work meeting and supposed to be paying attention… Lol! I later text to ask my girl how she would feel if I changed my name to Chad Thundercock? Her reply: “I’ll still love you, Mr. Cock” I’m very much game for putting that on a name tag.. Hahaha Ok seriously now, I’m sitting here thinking about this Abby (Grace) girl’s comment “You guys are all the same” while I sip some whiskey.. I can’t help but think that in her Disney, fairy… Read more »

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Abby Nierman.

Anybody want to change their assessment?

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Saw those bullrings in the nose on hundreds of women in the Pacific Northwest and I guess it is getting around. Does that mean something that I’m too terminally un-hip to find or figure out?

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Saw those bullrings in the nose on hundreds of women in the Pacific Northwest and I guess it is getting around. Does that mean something that I’m too terminally un-hip to find or figure out?

Next time I see one, I’ll ask: “So, that’s where the leash clips on?” just to see what happens…

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@Lost Patrol
“Saw those bullrings in the nose on hundreds of women in the Pacific Northwest and I guess it is getting around. Does that mean something that I’m too terminally un-hip to find or figure out?”

No, it means ‘I have a hole in my soul and I’m desperate for attention’.. My ex-wife wanted one for the longest, and I refused. She had the cute (I think) little jewel nose piecing when we met.. but I said Nope to the bull ring.. She was never satisfied with herself, her appearance, or the attention she got.. Go figure..

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That pic really caught my eye … until I noticed the nose ring. Deal-breaker.
Meanwhile the nice pic I linked to earlier is gone, wonder if she’s pulling stuff down

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“Does that mean something that I’m too terminally un-hip to find or figure out?”

“I’m easy. Don’t be beta and I’ll sleep with you”

https://thoughtcatalog.com/tuthmosis/2013/10/24-signs-shes-a-slut/

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@AR:

The leash is in your pocket. Just take it out, clip it on and see what happens.

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/2/1/6/5/2/8/webimg/778963435_o.jpg

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Ok, next time one of us goes to some stupid convention where little name tags are worn…

Mike Okk

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The leash is in your pocket. Just take it out, clip it on and see what happens.

Not all unclaimed livestock is worth having.

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O.B.I.T. to J

The article has been flagged as “hateful or abusive content!”

Just click through on “continue”. Nothing really new, though.

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@opus

It could also be that there was a window of opportunity that you missed somehow. Calibration…if the arousal lags because you missed the window, spike her interest with teasing/neg/DHV + sexualization.

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I see that some people have had the same reaction that I did when the subject of The Claw came up. I thought, “WTF is THAT shit?”

But when looking at the big picture, I realized what it was and couldn’t stop laughing. He was trying to display his manly beta Dominance! Haha

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@ Miguel “Recently met an LTR potential (I’d give her an 8) thanks to my big city base of operations but Silver Fox’s ‘Serpent’ stories are haunting me with this one. It’s so easy to maintain frame when you don’t have or want any deeper involvement (like with my small town 7’s). But in one short month, I’ve observed myself slipping with my big city 8. Just when I thought I had internalized RP principles and was my own mental point of origin too…” Hey there, Miguel. Glad my Serpent field reports have had some meat for you to chew… Read more »

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@ rugby11 Thanks for interest in my music. I won’t put the link up here as it will blow my cover (all in the head paranoia i know, but as i have put up a couple of posts of online convos with women that could come back to bite me in the unlikely event of…), but shoot me an email @ jairockz075@gmail.com My main man is Dave Tipper (https://soundcloud.com/tippermusic). He’s the electronic Mozart. A true genius of sound design in this day of so much mediocre music clogging YouTube, taking the public’s ears away from way more interesting sounds than… Read more »

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I had one guy, ONE, try to have sex with me on the first date. I shut him down quick and made him take me home. He was clueless and thought he had a chance at a second date (as if). But I know it’s not hard, at all, to make a beta groper back off. She only let him get so far because he was semi-famous and was pissed she wasn’t attracted to him and/or didn’t get any mileage out of the encounter.

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I shut him down quick and made him take me home.

Good girls get taken home early. Nice girls get to stay out late. I’d have told you to call a cab.

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funny thing about bullrings if you think about their existence… they’re a sign of subservience, being owned, of being conquered and vanquished

furthest thing from their minds, I’m sure

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Good girls get taken home early. Nice girls get to stay out late. I’d have told you to call a cab.

That would have been fine too. As long as I didn’t have to spend too much time in the company of someone I didn’t want to be with. Fwiw I wasn’t rude. He lied to get me back to his place on a pretext (other people were supposed to be there). I got creeped out.

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January 24, 2018 at 6:52 pm

What surprised me was –>

From
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Ansari should’ve just denied the whole damn thing. He thought of presenting his side of the story so that people would try and understand and be fair, but here’s the red pill truth, when emotions take over, fairness is literally the last thing that matters.

When facing an enemy, never expect the other side to fight fair.

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funny thing about bullrings if you think about their existence… they’re a sign of subservience, being owned, of being conquered and vanquished

Yep. Not what they say, but….

furthest thing from their minds, I’m sure

…what they do vs. what they say.

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What surprised me was –>
From
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Non sequitur.

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@Sri
I agree. Completely. We were not even there; we are just taking it from some dumb bitch’s mouth that he allegedly went too fast. Mbusit. Went too fast? More likely she went too fast and later she was like, “OMG! Crappy damn crap! Oooooh I am such a fuck up! I gave the fuck away before payday! *sobsobsob…*”

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The collective feminist hamster is doing party tricks, here. But his name is Clarke Gayford, so it all makes sense, really. What a cuck… “Victorian Labor MP Clare O’Neil got her first frontbench role in 2016, when she was eight months pregnant with her second child. She returned to work eight weeks after giving birth, with her partner, Brendan, a former doctor and now student, taking the lead role in looking after baby Louis. “To me, what Clarke and Jacinda are publicly doing is massive. Dads taking the primary care role needs to be seen as normal,” O’Neil says. “If… Read more »

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Fortunately most Aussie fathers still have their balls…

‘The Australian Institute of Family Studies says “stay at home fathering is not a common approach in Australia”, with the term describing only about 4 per cent of two-parent, opposite-sex families (with children under 15), as of mid-2016…’

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The nature of meaning and why anger/resent is a really bad idea.

Almost an hour and a half and worth every minute. You can get the short version from the last ten minutes.

https://youtu.be/XY7a1RXMbHI

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“With these things that happen to you in life that affect you badly it takes time.” I know that… I know that… It at times dosn’t sink in… I wake up and I’m never ready so i go attempt the impossible total self intergration. I numb myself when i become aware of reality for what it is. Relationship’s love that i withhold… The amount of stuff i keep in is annoying and at times frustrating. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hypq9nZo4i8 You wanna know something funny? I am alway’s the happiest when I’m helping other’s anytime i dwell on me i already know Im doomed…… Read more »

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palmasailor January 24, 2018 at 10:29 pm Something that may help – recognize how much pain your mother must have been in to need that amount of drugs to quell it. My Dad took out his childhood pain on me. (his mother was known to throw meat cleavers at him). Now think of the pain she must have been in. She walked across half of Europe and emigrated to America to escape Russia of the 1900s. BTW Dad’s drug was alcohol. But I was fortunate. He loved me so much that I was able to bend him a little. We… Read more »

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palmasailor January 24, 2018 at 11:35 pm Yes. I was using your story as an intro to mine. Because, in essence they are the same story. And the question always is –> “What are you going to do about it?” I joined a gang of outlaws (all suffering from cPTSD) until I could see clearly where that would leave me. What did I finally do? I asked The Head Office for a hard case to atone for the misery I had brought into the world. I got one. (She chose me). About 43 years on and she is just starting… Read more »

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I should add that in all the years I have been coming here I have never heard a story about any other guy who was Red Pilled by a GF.

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“What do you think the reality really is and why does it make you feel numb?” own words Conditioning to see the world in a way that it’s not. Self forgiveness no point in escaping using violence as a tool I’ve learned from. When i dealt with being open and experiencing closed support around me. I closed off not wanting to face what i am doing to fuel the numbing… biggest one is escaping the performance. Not wanting to participate in the order of the cosmos and go about what Jordan Peterson talks about in the last ten mins about… Read more »

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How women rate men. (85% are below average). And how women made humans what they are.

https://youtu.be/ikMKYQMXY5Q

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@Palmasailor – 4 bankruptcies and you still came back? Wow.

@rugby – can’t add much to what the other guys have said, but it’s good to see you writing in your own words and sharing stuff instead of doing it through videos.

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85% of “civilized” men.

FIFY.

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On fear of women. And why humans suffer so much.

https://youtu.be/9WDXStamk9A

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January 25, 2018 at 2:01 am

Genetically speaking every person alive has 2 female ancestors and one male ancestor.

Odds are that was not caused by civilization. – Civilization has not been around long enough. Civilization has been here for less than 10K years for sure and probably less than 5K years.

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@rugby

So you’re cutting off from people until you’re sure you can impress them?

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@M Simon

Certainly isn’t helping it, is it?

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Oh god I stop using the drug I’ve been on for a week and come back only to realize that rugbys retarded

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Timing couldn’t have been worse

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I dont believe its possible for women to be redpilled. Maybe read some stuff and play along at best.

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This encounter throws a spanner in a lot of taken for granted concepts in PUA, Redpills, Game, Status, Female attraction that instead of being examined and scrutinized is being summarily dismissed as ‘calibration’ and beta behavior. Surely the rational male is better than that. This case bring up significant inconsistencies in accepted wisdom and what actually happened in a real one to one situation. 1. Girls get attracted to status, hypergamy, yet there was a clear disconnect in this case. So just status does not work. 2. Aziz did the right moves and got her back to his room, yet… Read more »

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Have you seen this article by CNN

Cuckolding can be positive for some couples, study says CNN

Cuckolding can be positive for some couples, study says – CNN https://apple.news/A79yK_sNwQDW26OAYDPrJQQ

How is this mainstream news ? Wtf

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Yep, I was just about to post that cnn link. Can’t sleep, and that is on my news feed. Damn it.

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For abject betas, perhaps cucking themselves is the closest they will get to seeing desire-sex and enthusiastic consent from their wives! It’s front-row live porn for them, the ultimate buffer.

“Hello Beta-self, let’s work on my fitness, financials, Alpha-ness, skill-sets, workplace progression, act on that business idea… OR let’s spend valuable time making my Cuckolding fantasies a reality.”

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Yollo Comanche
January 25, 2018 at 2:43 am

Civilization as currently practiced is not helping. Which brings up a point.

“You should be dangerous.”

https://youtu.be/zBs_rrxgTGk

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ManDownUnder January 25, 2018 at 3:04 am I did meat ( I meant meet. But meat is true too) a Red Pilled woman once. In 1962. She developed it by watching her own emotions and honestly reporting them. Like “Never apologize. It makes you seem weak.” So that is one in about 55 years. The only one. So I would say they are very rare. But i can report one. I’m teaching the LTR Red Pill (probably a stupid move – call it a hobby) it is very slow going. But I am making progress. We discuss her reactions to… Read more »

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January 25, 2018 at 3:19 am

A Beta trying to be Alpha is what is confusing you.

Yes. He got the theory (some of it). But the practice was lacking. He wasn’t adapting his moves to the situation. He was following a script. Slavishly. That breaks down when she doesn’t know her lines. LOL.

Real seduction is improv. It takes practice.

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raulb January 25, 2018 at 3:19 am Well. I think you need to recalibrate. At 17 I had the genetics and the body. Tall, fit. etc. And I was a complete dud with the ladies because I was Blue Pill. And then at age 18 my first GF taught me Red Pill (she saw the potential? took pity on me?) and I never went back to Blue Pill. My Alpha moves got better with practice. Plus I had the 60s going for me. Also the War (an absence of men). Good times. So it is possible to learn to be… Read more »

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“He said he had to show her something.”

Me piling on…

The above isn’t covert cat language. It’s saying “If you follow, I’ll show you something you’ll like.”

Better would be, laze, calmly take her hand and when she asks where y’all are going, say “You know where.”

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“Not wanting to participate in the order of the cosmos and go about what Jordan Peterson talks about in the last ten mins about screwing thing’s up.”

“The lust part is the key to the process remove the objective of lust… Not approaching actually people…”

@ rugby

You’re getting it now…soulful perpetuating passion vs. lust…what will you do when you turn that corner…when the past slakes away and your left with someone you can’t recognize but admire.

Oh shit! Then what?!

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January 25, 2018 at 5:02 am

That segues into the next JP video I’m posting. JP says – “Take responsibility. Do something useful.”

https://youtu.be/NX2ep5fCJZ8

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@raulb
It isn’t as cut and dry as you are describing. Your ‘alphaness’ is not just looks, genetics, and status.. These help, but it’s all subjective on a per woman basis. Ol girl was probably attracted to Aziz and his status helped for sure, but he blew it in desperately rushing to bone her like a pussy starved 15 year old..
Read Rollo’s posts on The Desire Dynamic and Last Minute Resistance for a better idea of what was happening (and not happening) at Aziz’s place.

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Re: Aziz

What made her accept his invitation initially? There’s no indication that he’s masculine, and his humor doesn’t speak cat. She entered it knowing she wasn’t going to fuck him. His whole schtick advertises BP female identification.

Peer validation perhaps.

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Cucking is good for you…
There already was that notorious column (in the Wash Post I think) where the pathetic upscale beta proclaims he’s proud and happy to be in an open marriage — even though his wife is getting 99.9 percent of the outside action

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“Ministry of Truth: ”

Notorious in part because one of the “organizations” involved (Feminist Frequency) is Anita Sarkeesian.

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Now how to handle those not tall enough, good looking enough.

I’m sure you can give David Spade some pointers.

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He lied to get me back to his place on a pretext (other people were supposed to be there). I got creeped out.

That’s fair. I guess you didn’t find him very sexually attractive.

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An alpha is an alpha, things ‘happen’ to them, girls respond to them differently. The rest is about improving yourself by working out, broadening horizons cookie cutter stuff. But fundamentally if you are above 6 with decent features your seduction is completely different and this is genetics before even you open your mouth. Not this. Ton (physically unattractive by his own admission). David Spade. Henry “The Troll” Kissinger. These men all have game. Men with attractive features get shit on all the time by girls because they lack frame/game. I even see hot girls lit up by me all the… Read more »

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How is this mainstream news ? Wtf It isn’t mainstream, it’s mainstreaming. The idea is to get thought balloons out there, float them around, and let people see them. This is early stages of mainstreaming an issue. The reaction to the thought balloon tells the people who put it up in the air roughly where we are in the process of being able to accept the issues in the thought balloon, and therefore how long a timeline they are looking at in terms of mainstreaming the idea. Think of it like a “social depth sounding” exercise. Kerner’s column at CNN… Read more »

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@asd: “That’s fair. I guess you didn’t find him very sexually attractive.”

Well spotted …. Break rules for the Alpha, Make rules for the Beta.

If the guy was sexually attractive, it wouldn’t have mattered if he lied. It would be dismissed as “cheeky”. But when the Beta does it, it is “creepy”.

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An alpha is an alpha, things ‘happen’ to them, girls respond to them differently. The rest is about improving yourself by working out, broadening horizons cookie cutter stuff. But fundamentally if you are above 6 with decent features your seduction is completely different and this is genetics before even you open your mouth. And their experience with girls cannot simply be packaged and taught to others because girls respond completely different to alphas. Eh, no. Look at David Spade, in this very thread. Not tall and not good looking at all. Gets laid like tile. It’s game, seduction, frame. When… Read more »

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David Spade did a winter weather spot on SNL Weekend Report, long ago. He’s unknowingly hot mic’d. That’s the gag. While waiting, he’s just being him, he didn’t need Hollywood looks, nor height. Hip-funny-relaxed-happy. Authentic funny David. He’s mocking other cast members aloud to the cameraman, bitching about the weather, and his cutie assistant, he hits on flat faced cat like “Want some gum? It’s in my pocket.” while poking his hip pocket at her. I’ve used that line to death…it never fails to get a wry smile. Spade has game. He was raised in poverty, no silver spoon, nor… Read more »

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Spade was also a Sig Ep. Those guys are notorious egomaniacs. Gotta love it.

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” social depth sounding ”

Fuxking perfect.

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“Girls are good at picking up on any kind of insecurity”

At work, I’m shit tested constantly only because of the cat and mouse game women crave.

Saying nothing with a knowing leer is better than Mr. Upthread McI’mTooShort’s prophylactic frame collapse.

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“Social depth sounding” … or if you’ve got too many degrees it’s “moving the Overton Window.” Media has been busy doing this for divorce, polygamy, single-momhood and … now Murphy Brown is coming back?

Hey is anyone following the trial/sentencing of this gym coach who abused so many young girls? I say fine, throw away the key, but In don’t like the way the judge has allowed all these theatrical denunciations and confrontations to become part of the official proceedings. I could see this getting out of hand and just playing to the FI urge for drama

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“Girls are good at picking up on any kind of insecurity” … in men.

But they fail to see the insecurity in other females. it will be masked with “you go girl, you are perfect, you are beautiful (even the fat ones), you deserve blah blah”.

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Hip-funny-relaxed-happy …describing David Spade but there’s a strong element of dominance in his style…he’s the king of AMOG…king of improv as well I saw guys like him in my high school all the time…constantly AMOGing each other…totally relaxed and just playing…I hadn’t learned about men testing each other at the time…I’d get butthurt if it was done to me because I didn’t understand the dynamics and hadn’t made the connection with how my grandfather treated me…hadn’t learned my grandfather’s lesson…he wasn’t blood but he was awesome and I loved him more than any other relative except Mom…we bantered all the… Read more »

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“In don’t like the way the judge has allowed all these theatrical denunciations and confrontations to become part of the official proceedings. ”

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Oh it’s coming…

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@ Incubus.

They know it’s blandishments. It’s herd mentality talk. Unsolicited compliments are worth what they cost her. Hence Beta compliments are valueless.

There’s horizontal heirachy among women.

There’s vertical hierarchy among men.

Heed this: Alone, women are terribly insecure and crave a guy they can emotionally desire, but will take female company as a distant second place.

Now…the rare hanging Alpha gaze, that’s validation.

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Thedeti, SjR, and I seem to be on the same page with this, women shouldn’t find themselves alone with anyone they don’t want to have sex with. How much of the #MeToo incidents never would have happened if women followed that one rule. I’m not excusing the true predators out there when I say that. There’s just no room for misunderstanding, if they don’t give a beta chump the opportunity to create a problem. The entire #MeToo problem goes away. It’s criminal that this isn’t pounded into every college freshman’s head from day one, and a lesson carried through life.… Read more »

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At ASD,

Hence my absolute addiction to ball busting. It’s a insult free for all until punches are thrown at my house. Teenage sarcasm is the go-to insult. Ginsu-san above knows well.

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“There’s horizontal heirachy among women.”

gonna have to explain that one to me

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@asd: “That’s fair. I guess you didn’t find him very sexually attractive.” Well spotted …. Break rules for the Alpha, Make rules for the Beta. If the guy was sexually attractive, it wouldn’t have mattered if he lied. It would be dismissed as “cheeky”. But when the Beta does it, it is “creepy”. That would be true if I had ever slept with a man on the first date but I never have. He wasn’t bad looking, his behavior was just weird. He was a friend-of-a-friend and his personality didn’t jibe with what I had heard about him. When I… Read more »

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First, some people here were a little harsh on a poster who was wondering what Aziz did wrong. It’s easy to clap your hand to your forehead when you have been RP aware for a while and can easily spot the tells. Most of have been there in one form or the other, which is why we are here. A little understanding might be in order, and more guidance than jeering. I reserve jeers for the obstinate a-holes who occasionally surface here. Having said that, if the poster (don’t remember the name) really wants to know, you got some work… Read more »

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Snowflake ain’t happy

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Oh yeah

someone upthread was asking how Aziz got named. This was the tweet, er, directive.

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Thus the anger and resentment.

Nah. If it wasn’t for the opportunity to grandstand via the media craze over MeToo, this would have been discussed briefly with her GF’s while swilling mimosas…

Snack.Hoe:”Arrrrgh! Why can’t guys just get it!”
Bestie: OMG! How was your date with Aziz? Did you hook up?
Snack.Hoe:”Ugggghhh. Wasn’t feeling it. He is kind of weird”
Bestie:”Wow! Nothing happened?”
Snack.Hoe:”Well not exactly. I mean he did eat me out. and I blew him twice. But yeah. Nothing happened. You know he is really short?!”
Bestie:”Lol. I know right!!!”

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Ginsu-san

Lol. “Ginsu” was one of my nicknames at an early job.

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Aziz is also a lousy comedian.

Image how the persona known as Andrew Dice Clay might have responded to her accusations?

Comedy gold left in the ground…

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@Sentient

I forget little.

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Hickory Dickory Dock.
This thot slobbered on my cock.
When I wouldn’t cum, off she run
Hickokery Dickory Dock

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Thots today… Amirite or what?

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That would have been an epic tweet…

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@ seraph

Last thing that guy needs is a hand holding.

It wasn’t personal, for Pete’s sake. (Head slap)

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Aziz…

where is the Reframe(tm), the Agree and Amplify(tm) ??? Get your money back!

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I have never ” been there ” in a situation like aziz. Never. Not even as a 14 year old.

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never been there dittos

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Yollo “So you’re cutting off from people until you’re sure you can impress them?” No i suppose i am learning to stop performing in response to caring about the outcome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seLLJP3H1FU Mr simon “Real seduction is improv. It takes practice.” She will know if you have rehearsed anything. EhIntellect “Oh shit! Then what?!” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tEQoF_8Z7s&list=PLK4e-UnCxQq98QxzglOacRlZywLFx7M0B novaseeker “I suspect that they are not as close to that as they may hope, although I do think with the explosion of porn since the arrival of broadband and then cell phones all kinds of sexual fantasies are taking deeper root in betas (the primary… Read more »

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@raulb — PUA has always had a lot of bullshit in this department, like massive “How to overcome her LMR” guides that make a simple thing complicated and are frankly creepy as fuck. So, yes, maybe people should reevaluate a lot of that stuff. And Aziz was not being aggressive, he was being passive aggressive. I think it was highly likely he was “gaming” her and that’s why she was so ambiguous about it. Its easy to say this guy acted like a super beta, but I think he’s a good enough manipulator to get a blowjob from someone who… Read more »

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PUA has always had a lot of bullshit in this department, like massive “How to overcome her LMR” guides

I assume you’re not talking about Mystery Method.

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