Thoughts on Aziz Ansari

I’m going to make a confession here; until a week ago I had no idea who Aziz Ansari was. I get he was some low limit comedian, and in today’s social environment that means he lectures an audience about social justice issues for an hour while trying to insert some humor into his act. I’ve pretty much given up on most comedians these days, and I’m a guy who used to love standup. However, my unfamiliarity with Aziz was actually a benefit in assessing his recent pillory in the mainstream. Had I known about him before all this, and his comedy activism, I likely would’ve just dismissed his case as the next guy to be put into the MeToo deadpool of celebrity men – and I’m being generous about the “celebrity” part.

I had actually resigned myself to blowing off his whole story until I started digging into the particulars of the ‘date’ he had with the anonymous “Grace”. On first pass this whole incident is easy to dismiss even for Red Pill aware men with better things to do than bother themselves with another Hollywood chump to go down to the open power grab that MeToo and TimesUp have become. There is, however, a lot to unpack in the whole thing though. If you want the whole story you can read about it here on Babe.net, the blog for “Girls who don’t give a fuck”, which is interesting because apparently they give a lot of fucks according to the story.

Just to break down some of the particulars here:

  • She (Grace) approaches Aziz in the beginning. Flirts with him and then goes back to her date she was with that evening. They would catch each other glancing at the other durning the night (IOIs). They ‘ran into each other’ later and he number closes.
  • Aziz Beta texts her almost immediately and tries to text Game/flirt with her before he asks her out
  • Before meeting Ansari, she tells friends and coworkers about the date and consulted her go-to group chat about what she should wear to fit the “cocktail chic” dress-code he gave her. She settled on “a tank-top dress and jeans.” She showed me a picture, it was a good outfit.
  • After the white wine she didn’t like, they end up back at his place. She complimented his marble countertops. Ansari turned the compliment into an invitation. “He said something along the lines of, ‘How about you hop up and take a seat?’” Within moments, he was kissing her. “In a second, his hand was on my breast.” Then he was undressing her, then he undressed himself.
  • Ansari tells her he was going to get a condom within minutes of their first kiss, Grace voiced her hesitation explicitly. “I said something like, ‘Whoa, let’s relax for a sec, let’s chill.’” She says he then resumed kissing her, briefly performed oral sex on her, and asked her to do the same thing to him. She did, but not for long. “It was really quick. Everything was pretty much touched and done within ten minutes of hooking up, except for actual sex.”
  • Ansari repeatedly attempts ‘The Claw’. on her “The move he kept doing was taking his two fingers in a V-shape and putting them in my mouth, in my throat to wet his fingers, because the moment he’d stick his fingers in my throat he’d go straight for my vagina and try to finger me.” “It was 30 minutes of me getting up and moving and him following and sticking his fingers down my throat again. It was really repetitive. It felt like a fucking game.”
  • Ansari physically pulled her hand towards his penis multiple times throughout the night, from the time he first kissed her on the countertop onward. “He probably moved my hand to his dick five to seven times,” she said. “He really kept doing it after I moved it away.”
  • Ansari presses her for sex. He asks repeatedly, “Where do you want me to fuck you?” while she was on the countertop. She says she didn’t want to fuck him at all. He keeps asking, so she says, ‘Next time.’ Aziz says, ‘Oh, you mean second date?’ and she says, ‘Oh, yeah, sure,’ and he goes, ‘Well, if I poured you another glass of wine now, would it count as our second date?’
  • She later says she doesn’t want it to seem forced and this wakes Ansari up from his sexual stupor. “He said, ‘Oh, of course, it’s only fun if we’re both having fun. Let’s just chill over here on the couch.’ Ansari instructed her to turn around. “He sat back and pointed to his penis and motioned for me to go down on him. And I did. I think I just felt really pressured. It was literally the most unexpected thing I thought would happen at that moment because I told him I was uncomfortable.”
  • Halfway into the encounter, he led her from the couch to a different part of his apartment. He said he had to show her something. Then he brought her to a large mirror, bent her over and asked her again, “Where do you want me to fuck you? Do you want me to fuck you right here?” He rammed his penis against her ass while he said it, pantomiming intercourse.
  • They got dressed, sat side by side on the couch they’d already “chilled” on, and he turned on an episode of Seinfeld. While the TV played in the background, he kissed her again, stuck his fingers down her throat again, and moved to undo her pants. She turned away.  “I remember saying, ‘You guys are all the same, you guys are all the fucking same.’” Ansari asked her what she meant. When she turned to answer, she says he met her with “gross, forceful kisses.” After that last kiss, Grace stood up from the couch, moved back to the kitchen island where she left her phone, and said she would call herself a car. He hugged her and kissed her goodbye, another “aggressive” kiss. When she pulled away, Ansari finally relented and insisted he’d call her the car.

All of this detail is important to consider because Ansari’s actions here are classic Beta Game desperation tactics. It is literally one Beta move after another. Many of the reviewers of this incident like to point out that it was really a misunderstood date gone wrong, or else they use it as proof-positive of a sexual assault, but I’m going to argue something different here – Ansari is simply a Beta chump with very little Game savvy who, if he’d had even a hint of Game awareness could’ve had a good sexual experience both for himself and her.

As I’ve mentioned before, I’m not a proponent of men attempting to push past last minute resistance. For as much as “enthusiastic consent” will be used as a tool of fear to dissuade Beta men from even attempting to approach, I can’t say that I wouldn’t want a woman to have a genuine desire to fuck me in any sexual episode. I can remember in my ‘rock star 20s’ doing exactly this. If a woman wasn’t into having sex with me or she had some reservations or some hoops she expected me to jump through in order to get her to “come around” to fucking me I would simply excuse myself from the situation. I was at a point in my life where I had many other (proven) options, and if a new prospect wasn’t an absolutely ‘enthusiastic’  “Hell Yes!” girl I had at least six other women who were eager to come over and fuck me. This was just a subconscious awareness I took for granted at the time, but it was an attitude that stemmed from abundance.

That was essentially my Game back then. It was the natural reflex of an Alpha man and women responded to it. The behaviors and attitudes I exhibited just flowed from my unrehearsed subconscious. It was who I was. Dread is much more effective for a man when a woman sees that he’s oblivious to his causing dread.

Most men never really experience this kind of sexual abundance and as such it colors their outlook and how they expect sex to work for them. One big problem inherent to men’s Blue Pill conditioning is the idea that sex must be negotiated for a woman to feel comfortable enough to fuck a guy, but more importantly in this era, to avoid any misunderstandings that would lead to his getting a sexual misconduct allegation. The Blue Pill teaches men to respect women by default, for no other reason than she has a vagina, but also that open communication, full disclosure and negotiation are necessary elements of sex. We can see this played out in the ludicrous expectation that every sex action a man involves himself in requires vocal enthusiastic consent. This is the acculturation; men are expected to negotiate every sexual detail of a sexual experience.

Needless to say this is patently ridiculous, but it’s also the surest way to kill the actual enthusiasm a woman might actually have for a guy. One thing that will separate Alpha men from Betas in the future will be that man’s honed capacity to remove himself from any sexual situation that is negotiated. Women want to play the Game, they don’t want the Game explained to them. They want a man who Just Gets It and the men who don’t get it will be the ones whose dutiful Blue Pill conditioning prompts them to start any and every approach at intimacy by negotiating the terms for a woman’s desire.

You cannot negotiate genuine desire, but this negotiation is exactly what modern feminism simultaneously fosters and struggles against. The idea of ‘enthusiastic consent’ is really a want on the part of women to have the sex they genuinely have a desire to experience with a man. This is all women want to write about now and the Ansari incident is a textbook example of the kind of negotiated sex women don’t want to have, but sometimes go through with for transactional reasons. Remember, sex with Alpha men is validational for women – lackluster ‘meh’ sex with Beta men is transactional sex. If you only read what women are writing about sex today you’d think that transactional sex is all they’ve ever been having – and sexist men see women as ‘soft’ prostitutes. Now it’s suddenly some revolutionary act for women to have the sex Alpha sex enjoyment they’ve always “deserved” but have been repressed by transactional sex with Betas.

That said, I can’t disagree entirely with the want for an enthusiastic sex partner who genuinely wants to fuck me 12 ways to Tuesday. And this is women’s rationale today, “Don’t you want to fuck a woman who really wants to fuck you?” It’s hard to argue against the “Hell Yes” girl, until you realize that the sex they are describing is only reserved for the guy they really want to bang and mistakenly believe their overinflated self-value warrants.

Now, I’ve read the debate from PUAs who make the point that it is entirely possible to make a ‘No’ girl into a ‘Hell Yes’ girl. I’ve seen the infield videos so I’ll spare you the linking. My question then is, after deftly applying Game and calibrating all the minutiae to do so, how does this compare to a woman who has a genuine desire for you from the start? I think one huge hurdle for guys unplugging from their Blue Pill conditioning have to face is the presupposition that sex is only the result of a process of negotiation. That negotiation is what the Blue Pill teaches boys and men from a very early age.

Aziz! Light!

The Ansari incident has a lot of Red Pill lessons to teach. First and foremost is the fact that Ansari is a consumate Beta. Looking at the guy he resembles any number of Indian computer programmers frustrated by a want for the secret formula to make a gorgeous American blonde with big tits fall in love with him. Don’t get me wrong, I counsel these men personally, but he fits that schema. Next, Ansari is a vocal and outspoken White Knight for feminism and regularly proves his male self-loathing as part of his standup act. I mean, the guy wears a Time’s Up pin. But like most male feminists, he gets hung by his own Beta Game bullshit – this is the fate of all male feminists.

Lastly, Ansari is a Beta who made good. I’ve talked about the Blue Pill White Knights and self-righteous AFCs in many a post, but I’m not sure I’ve emphasized how dangerous this mindset can be for a Beta who has a combination of affluence, celebrity and social proof. There comes a self-validation in that Blue Pill mindset when women want to be associated with him. He develops a belief that it’s his Blue Pill conditioning, and his adherence to it, that is the reason for his relative success with women. This insulates these guys from ever disconnecting from that conditioning, but it also lessens an incentive to see women in any other perspective. The result of this is exactly what Ansari experienced in this incident. He was too comfortable in presuming his pro-woman, female identifying, Beta Game would make his sexual expression ‘Okay’ with any woman who gave him positive sexual interest.

Another big indicator of this, and really much of Beta Game, was his repeated pawing of Grace and repeated sexual expressions with her. It wasn’t working as he believed it should, so what was his solution? Continue with the negotiation and hope for a positive sign of reinforcement from her. Every act that Ansari attempted with Grace was a form of negotiation. I can’t get sex? How about a blow job? No? Okay how about if I go down on you? She feels forced? Woah, default to female identification persona. Presume the sale, “How do you want me to fuck you?”

This is all one big negotiation – there is no genuine desire and no enthusiasm of the part of Grace – but since Ansari has never had the incentive to learn Game he keep going back to what he thinks should work on her.

To wrap all of this up, I should mention that the reason this whole affair went viral is should really be no surprise. It’s one more example of everything MeToo has been harping on for almost 5 months now, yes, but it’s also an illustration of exactly this new sentiment of the “grey area” sex I brought to light in Dangerous Times – Part 2. It’s sex women have out of courtesy (Aziz got a courtesy hummer) or convenience or just as something to do. It is exactly the obligated sex I’ve been talking about since The Desire Dynamic. This incident is exactly the story this ‘grey sex’ sentiment had needed, but in the larger picture it highlights the difference between transactional sex and validational sex.

As Open Hypergamy becomes yet more normalized it’s now time that the Feminine Imperative acknowledges the type of sex women desire and enjoy, and the type of sex they feel obligated to perform as part of a negotiation or transaction. And naturally the need to define what women’s Hypergamy dictates becomes a new form of shame for men. Evil Patriarchal men are to blame for women having to openly acknowledge that they only want to fuck Alpha men with any real enthusiasm. Men are to blame for validational and transactional sex, and now absolved, women can take the next steps in consolidating on Hypergamy.

No, there’s no current legislation that makes ‘unenthusiasitc sex’ a sex crime (yet), but remember that the sexual arms race is always fought in the court of public opinion before anything is written in ink.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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My Date with Grace-By “Aziz Ansari” My Date with Grace- [Written in the spirit of Rashomon/The Affair] 2017 Emmys was one of the best days of my life! Seems like it’s easy for celebrities, sure once we have made it. But remember I am just a short brown man in a white world. I’m just funny. Sometimes. Until I wasn’t. Let’s go back in time to earlier in my career: My stand up show was working out, people were laughing. But it’s not like I had a loft next to Taylor Swift or anything. Until ‘Masters of None’ got picked… Read more »

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@thedeti

It’s getting to the point where a man winning a rational argument with a woman is now sexual assault/sex harassment. It’s not just “mansplaining” or “hate”. It’s now a crime to prove a woman wrong in a debate.

Exactly my thoughts, feels like their emotions are supposed to trump logic, facts, and reason, because women feeling right is more important than truth

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“j January 25, 2018 at 2:27 pm ugly French stand-up comedian with beautiful French newscaster” Look at her body language, she is forcefully grabbing the attention he gets. As Rollo says, “Women want a man who other men look up to or other women want”. Men who are creative or are famous may not be alpha, have most resources or have best genes. But hooking up with a such a man provides women with attention from rest of the tribe or the society and thereby increases her chances of getting noticed by men she most desires. Most Women become nurses… Read more »

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I spent about an hour today reading some of the older mainstream syndicated feminists’ articles regarding the Aziz claim and the state of #MeToo… It was nauseating, but also left me hopeful and thinking this witch hunt dies out soon with a whimper.. They fully realize their message has been hijacked by millennial snowflakes and attention whores.. They see the ‘female as perpetual victim and helpless creature’ meme as wholly defeating their message (it’s true), and essentially have come full circle to many of the same conclusions we RP men have.. albeit they still push the fem empowerment/control agenda as… Read more »

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@ SJF “Widening Your Comfort Zone” Good stuff. Thanks for sharing. Cut & pasted for future reference. “There is no need to be concerned with how the things you want will become yours. If you are resolute in your desire to have, outer intention will, without your knowing how, find a way you would never have suspected. When this happens, do not be surprised; do not try to convince yourself that it is a coincidence or show of mysticism…” Whilst i’m working hard to establish myself as an electronic music producer, it is not always easy for me to already… Read more »

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January 28, 2018 at 8:41 pm

Of the top 5 classical composers (Beethoven etc. ) who get 50% of the classical airplay, only 5% of their music gets played.

Electronic designs I did 3 years ago ( http://spacetimepro.blogspot.com/ ) are just starting to get attention.

Instant success often takes a lot of time. And even then most of your work will not attract much attention.

https://youtu.be/ocDli45faiw

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@ scibblerg

“Then boom, it will be fucking game over for lots of institutions and people who hold power. Me? I’ll be on anchored off a little island in the Indian ocean that doesn’t even care what country it’s part of…”

Sail down under, S-E Oz for a safe haven, bro…

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Well, gentlemen, i’m back from a 2 day sojourn to a bush party a couple of hours away with a bit of a Field Report. Part 1: I rode there thru 2 hours of forest twisties with my Alpha big brother in true masculine style. A good time with life lived to the full, new experiences, some danger, lessons and reflections. I was in the zone so cheekily passed the Captain on the tight country road and was rolling quite fast (for me) through some tight corners and put a bit of distance between us (he wasn’t really racing like… Read more »

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“It’s getting to the point where a man winning a rational argument with a woman”

Arguing with women, don’t lower yourself, it’s a trap.

Rational arguments don’t exist in woman world.

Spare yourself the phyrric victory. Arguing with women = Not getting it.

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“Rational arguments don’t exist in woman world.”

For the one-liners collection.

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Nurburgring … “The Green Hell” … someday! Saving pennies to get my hands on a 911 GT3.

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Arguing and holding frame and fitting in and being called “buddy” and such…

Related: Arguing with Betas = Not getting it.

I’m in a new workplace. There’s one same-level guy routinely calling me “buddy”. I refuse going butthurt, defensive, miffed or prideful. He’s AMOGing but isn’t Alpha, a lot of Beta, BP qualities, if that makes sense. He’s patronizing, sure, but I’m waiting a bit to find his thumbscrews.

No way I’ll ever get into it with that guy. Similar arguing with women, it’s a gayass tit for tat. Acta non Verba.

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“Rational arguments …”
Took me a long time to learn not to waste my breath on those.
It’s even in the 16 Commandments Rugby just reposted:
“Frolic in the surf of her emotions rather than the arid sands of logic.”

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@O.B.I.T. You are selling the ninth commandment short. It deserves a full run: <blockquoteIX. Connect with her emotions Set yourself apart from other men and connect with a woman’s emotional landscape. Her mind is an alien world that requires deft navigation to reach your rendezvous. Frolic in the surf of emotions rather than the arid desert of logic. Be playful. Employ all your senses. Describe in lush detail scenarios to set her heart afire. Give your feelings freedom to roam. ROAM. Yes, that is a good word. You’re not on a linear path with her. You are ROAMING all over,… Read more »

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@EhIntellect – I’ve been there too with the work tool calling me buddy or bud.. I agree the Alpha high road is to ignore rather than be petty.. I my case the guy was a clueless redneck who really didn’t get it. After getting his ass chewed by an MP one morning coming through the gate (We work on a military base) he was whining to a group of us.. We tried to explain the subcom conveyed by calling other men ‘buddy’ but he still didn’t get it.. Socially clueless. On the rational arguments topic – I would extend it… Read more »

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“It’s a thing to aspire to. If you can get there. To get there takes masculine self-improvement. Big time. In the setting. In Unicorn-land.”

Women are lush pastures of natural disordered beauty.

My weekend was choice. Still coming down.

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Lush pastures with gentle hillocks

There — after a lifetime of writing I’ve finally managed to use hillocks in a sentence

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@Palma: I am in Malta. Just bought a house last year, so the car will have to wait two more years.

GT3 RS is a work of art. Your friend is lucky to have one.

I will ask you out for a race at the Green Hell in two years smile

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@ Palma

I was just saying the same thing to the Skipper. Film the rides and make clips for my music to drop on YouTube. Must be fun to ride with your son. Now, that is the good life…

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I didn’t read all the comments on this so I may be repeating what somebody already stated. Race is an issue here in terms of SMV. I know…I know..game uber alles and all that but race fucking matters. If you’re brown, date down. Forgo the liberal sjw white women and date down goddamnit. If shit goes awry with a brown girl, the media does not go batshit crazy. And brown girl will be dating up if she’s hooking up with Aziz. Sad to say but SMV matters. Game is a value add as Heartiste stated. Game is not a panacea.… Read more »

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Don’t be stupid. This was her date the night she met Aziz. A tuba player on the Colbert Show.

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Sad to say but SMV matters. Game is a value add as Heartiste stated. Game is not a panacea.

=> LOOKS!!!!! <= This was thoroughly rebutted previously.

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Tom

Lol at you keep thinking what you think, but watch your back.

Punk ass.

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Damn, I guess my job here is to correct all of the incorrect nonsensical bullsgit about race that are a part of the foundation of certain corners of the manosphere.

For the record and from my personal experience, game trumps practically all. Don’t boost up your own ego by believing ” brown ” has to date down or some shit. What the fuck is that all about anyway?

We now return to our regularly scheduled program.

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less chance of blowback in case things go sideways

Lolz aside, this begs an interesting question: what and how determines acceptable risk?

Mom’s basement with internet and tissues sounds like a pretty acceptable risk level! Lol

Back to reference experiences…

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… Oh, forgot to add that the pedestalization of any woman because she’s from any particular part of the country, social set, race or religion is for beta-blue pilled weak assed chumps.

They are ALL the same, they are ALL just girls. Snowflakes melt.

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Oh shit..did I trigger somebody? Everytime I see a black football player get accused of sexual assault by a white woman, I see the same racial dynamic play out. Look at the Innocence Project if you want to see hard data on racial bias in the court system. That tuba player she dated? They do not look like they’re getting intimate. She’s playing dudes to get exposure. How is this not obvious? This is about risk management…not an inferiority complex. Aziz by all accounts is alpha on paper but not behavior. Multimillionaire, famous, beloved by the establishment. But think about… Read more »

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Some of you are being intentionally obtuse or are in denial. But hey…you can always run game in court! Then you’ll be a True Alpha! And what’s wrong with dating brown/black/asian girls?
Who’s pedestalizing here? wink

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Go away. You’re dismissed.

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“And what’s wrong with dating brown/black/asian girls?”

Ya got me swingin’, although I admit I’m a bit iffy about Paisley.

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Let me pose this question. How long did the media spend on the Ray Rice assault? Was the coverage as intense as the Aziz Ansari case?

“Moderately attractive brown girl has bad date” News at 11:00. How often do you see that headline?

Race absolutely matters in SMV. Just as game matters. And income and status.

There are no panaceas. Only probabilities. I play the odds and my success has improved by doing so. Play the odds gentleman…read the table and play the odds :).

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My pointer finger strangely keeps jumping up and down and the words, “essorcal ekud” are written on my mirror. It’s weird.

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Selectively bad memory.

Rice’s story went on for months.

But whatever.

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The world does need guys that think their money, race, status, etc entitles them to women.

It makes game all the more impressive.

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Red pill says otherwise.

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It’s all odds. If I approach a darker skinned brown girl, suited up, feeling good, looking good, I know my odds are better than approaching a white girl. Everytime. Ceteris paribus of course. As for the Rice incident, I’ll concede that it did go on for a long time. However if you juxtapose the two events and you’ll find a truth. This white girl had a bad date. Ray Rice almost decapitated his wife (I know he punched her..just exaggerating for effect)! The media is covering the two cases as nearly equivalent. Btw, this incident will follow Aziz for the… Read more »

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Masculinity+game=entitled. Period, across the board.

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“I approach a darker skinned brown girl, suited up, feeling good, looking good, I know my odds are better…”

Yes, YOUR odds are.

This is about your underwealming game, not her race.

Anyhoo, you’re a man of confidence…tell us about your last white girl pick up. Deets. How was she specifically game-proof-ier vs. your last successful brown girl game?

No snark. Show me what are got.

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Weekend Field Report Part 2: Being a single man it wouldn’t be a FR without some pussy involved. I’ve spent a lot of this Summer pretty much in solitary Monk Mode, though that’s not how i had anticipated it would be. After a long Winter the Summer out here used to deliver a lot more girls & a lot more fun. But all good things must come to an end, as we all know… So, there wasn’t much talent around, but there was a fairly attractive blonde with a very seXy voice, so i hit on her later in the… Read more »

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The butt hurt is just massive here :). Every other forum including Red Pill Reddit and Rooshv has frank discussions about race and game. Why not just acknowledge realities and adapt to them? I thought Red Pill was about adapting and overcoming.

To think a dark skinned brown girl has the same SMV as a blonde white girl or an upper middle class white girl….is just a denial of objective reality. What’s the point of this? It’s fruitless.

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The butt hurt is just massive here smile

Welcome to the club!

What ever you do, don’t post pictures of buildings.

It makes blax really mad.

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This one is a white guy, and a lego, so it should be okay.

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“To think a dark skinned brown girl has the same SMV as a blonde white girl or an upper middle class white girl….is just a denial of objective reality.”

I agree. Most guys prefer white girls over black girls. Including me.

http://www.vdare.com/posts/black-woman-accuses-charlie-rose-of-racism-for-not-sexually-harassing-her

http://www.returnofkings.com/50375/5-reasons-why-i-no-longer-game-black-women

They’re generally easier to game. Hell If I were attracted to them and went after them instead of going for mainly white girls/latinas, my notch count would be in the 200s by now.

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/12/29/its-easy-to-identify-a-slut/

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@anon

My pointer finger strangely keeps jumping up and down and the words, “essorcal ekud” are written on my mirror. It’s weird.

Your mirror is a wedgie board.

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@j

Those links are hilarious and true. Goddamn…one uncomfortable truth and this whole place goes up in flames.

Race is just one factor in the game but it is a big one. I really wish we all lived in a race blind utopia but it is not true. No matter how many black presidents and senators we elect…

Well, thanks for the interesting conversation gentlemen. I’m off to find some non-rachet dark skinned women smile

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“Btw, this incident will follow Aziz for the rest of his life”

If he is lucky… It’s already being forgotten. His show wasn’t cancelled etc. If he had an ounce of Alpha in him he’d be banking coin off it.

Rice was just a field hand. He’s off the plantation.

Think.

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Most guys prefer white girls over black girls. Including me.

As far as looks go, skin color doesn’t matter much to me. Facial structure & small-waisted are key for me. I like boobs of all sizes and shapes.

As far as STD-avoidance goes, black girls are a problem, tho. If they could fix that, they’d be on my menu. (I think this is where Blax gets triggered.)

Liz has “Duke Lacrosse” tattooed on her right inner cheek. (Or was it left? I forget.)

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@palma

Ouija, wedgie, let’s not get picky…it’s a play on turds.

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this humor is rank…has hit bottom

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You motherfuckers having a real good time huh?

Y’all really should move your racial bullshit over to heartiste.

Your opinions will be welcomed and cosigned by everyone there.

Only white guys care about what other racist assed white guys think. This ain’t that club.

And fuck you hank you sorry ass little virgin bitch. Nobody, of any race, wants anything to do with your dumb ass. Lol.

Go fix your health you sick dickhead.

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Poor, sick, gameless fucktard got the nerve to talk shit under the guise of ” discussion “.

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Palma The problem isn’t an inability to discuss. It’s from where the discussion originates. I couldn’t tell you much about the habits of..say..Asian Americans because I don’t live near the bulk of them, and the ones I do know, I’m intelligent enough to grasp the sample size not being representative. So if everything I managed to read was written by non Asians and was all mostly negative, which is key, then I’m not engaging in discussion, especially when there are hardly any Asians present for perspective. It becomes just talking shit. It becomes ” so did you stop beating your… Read more »

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No Blax you’re not.

Keeping us at each other’s throats is by design. Straw man arguments of race keep certain types distracted.

http://www.thefirstpurge.com/about/

It’s ticket selling hyperbole….or is it?

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@Blax, I typically chalk up @theadsgamer’s nonsensical comments to him being on the spectrum, having a poor grasp of social cues, a low self-esteem and a cartoon character-like need to prove he’s the bigger Alpha. Hence all the ham-fisted provocative BS. I’m empathetic because I’m also mildly on the spectrum and have raised two boys diagnosed deeply in the spectrum who are thriving. It’s unfortunate because he occasionally has insightful contributions to the discussions… which I now often scroll past because you never know which @theasdgamer you’re going to get. As a sanity check for you, you’re not the only… Read more »

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@ chump Lol. I accept ASD for who he is and I know what to expect from him on certain subjects. There will never be any reasoning with him, and that’s fine. He’s not automatically a bad guy because of that. But that Tom guy? Yeah, he needs to go back to wherever he came from. I agree, and I support that guys have an absolute right to believe whatever they want to. That’s why blue pill thinking is prevalent and so difficult to break from because red pill thought goes against what many men believe and have been taught,… Read more »

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If scoring black pussy is so much easier than white….why isn’t hank awash in it?

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How long did the media spend on the Ray Rice assault? Was the coverage as intense as the Aziz Ansari case? A very significant part of why the media coverage on Ray Rice was so intense, and lasted a long time was because of ESPN. Just to remind anybody who doesn’t know, ESPN is owned by Disney. A friend of mine is very tight with a guy we both know personally, who had a long career at ESPN. Not super famous, but some would recognize him. As relayed to us ESPN is super PC and full of agendas. Just read… Read more »

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Because they are all just girls at the end of the day. Evidently Hank’s personality, from what I read here, makes him unbangable… Lmao.

But he’ll read some more shit and endlessly speculate, while getting older every year.

One thing I avoid doing when talking about sexual conquest here, is using race as an identifier because it’s not necessary. They’re just girls. Preference aside, biologically it makes zero difference.

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“Well the whole problem is that it can’t be discussed” outsized butthurt over tiny differences in short term code expression. these are the same type of morons who would disregard entire genetic lines because of a single “unappealing” pheno in the batch for a rational man, racism is just stupid because it limits options based on broad generalizations and not reading the anglins because of “racism” is stupid too men don’t get “offended”. if something “offends” your delicate sensibilities it’s probably safe to assume you have a weakness in that area stereotypes exist for a reason. they are the global… Read more »

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Roused

Don’t cloud the issue with facts.😉

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…. Most people don’t even know Ben was accused of rape.

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Palma I have a few friends that play ball from Slavic regions. I’d pick them for my team any day of the week I once asked them why they were so good at ball, and to a man, they were miffed by the question. The answer was simple, they played ball every day, all day, in all kinds of weather, mostly for the fun of it, but also because there wasn’t a whole lot else to do with your days. Just like for me and my peers, sport was more about life, not just something on the periphery . By… Read more »

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Lol. Well in America pro basketball teams are 75-80% black. That’s because the bulk of the nation doesn’t apply themselves at the game to any great extent.

The euro professional teams aren’t all black.

MLB anyone?

Where I grew up there were no little league teams or even baseball fields. Hence I absolutely suck ass at baseball.

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… Effort over time.

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Physical attributes will give you an edge in the pursuit of mastery, but ‘effort over time’ will always be the main ingredient to the recipe.

Malcolm Gladwell claims it’s roughly 10,000 hours to achieve mastery in any field.

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“There probably are some slight physical differences between races, but I reject that they are insurmountable.”

that’s the distinction of note… sure, there might be other differences than skin color, but the Venn diagrams of physical abilities by race are so nearly identical that any differences are meaningless, statistical or otherwise

those focusing the any perceived hair-breadth’s differences seem to always have an agenda in need of evidence/support and so must conflate the insignificant into something much more important

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The body language of that pic with “Grace” and the horn player is telling. She is leaning away from him, he is standing straight up with his limbs close together and close to his body. Girl is not into him. She strikes me as someone with a big hole in her soul, who is trying to ride the celebrity dating train until she snags someone that’ll medicate that void. My guess is she feels entitled to so much more than she’s been getting out of life, and being with a celebrity will solve that problem. But her looks and her… Read more »

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@blax Lol Stop it dude, just stop it. I love when you old guys just can’t help but prove everything I say, but this is getting embarrassing. Note that blax’s reaction of: And fuck you hank you sorry ass little virgin bitch. Nobody, of any race, wants anything to do with your dumb ass. Lol. Go fix your health you sick dickhead. Poor, sick, gameless fucktard got the nerve to talk shit under the guise of ” discussion “. Came about from posting a picture…of a lego man (actual footage of blax’s initial reaction) Its amazing how older guys call… Read more »

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@hank – I don’t think you’re racist. Just wrong. Specifically on the point of whether race affects a man’s SMV. Blax said it above somewhere, but in essence, the position on race for men is the same as height for men. Both those things matter on dating sites because that’s all the women have to go on. In person, when they’re attracted to you, they only care about the emotions they feel around you (ie, your Game), not your height or race. YaReally had lots of posts about both height and race and explains it very well – I’m sure… Read more »

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right. Game trumps race. It may be more difficult initially on the open for minorities (Asians/Indians) than you’re standard white guy because of the stereotype that those minorities have, but if you’re able to stand in there and demonstrate (via your vibe/passing her shit tests) that you are not in fact the typical shy Asian or weird Indian guy, then race becomes a non factor.

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@Culum I referring to WOMEN’s SMV. This topic was referring to the difference between white and black women. For men..of course I know it doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things! How often have I come out in support of game in the looks debate!? Things is though, looks do make a difference in the initial impression and can give a slight edge as a man. Good looks give you an edge, being jacked gives you an edge, dressing well (or more accurately, having a look), and, it turns out, being white also gives you an edge (though I’d… Read more »

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ya. black women can’t DHV to make me become attracted to them lol

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@j right. Game trumps race. It may be more difficult initially on the open for minorities (Asians/Indians) than you’re standard white guy because of the stereotype that those minorities have, but if you’re able to stand in there and demonstrate (via your vibe/passing her shit tests) that you are not in fact the typical shy Asian or weird Indian guy, then race becomes a non factor. Exactly. And the fact that you demolished that stereotype would make you more attractive than most men. As YaReally used to say, what is more impressive: a jock climbing a mountain, or a midget?… Read more »

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ya. black women can’t DHV to make me become attracted to them lol

(shrug) I think black girls are sexy as fuck, but I get that most guys don’t like them. Doesn’t bother me much.

That’s why I find blax’s reactions so strange.

So someone disagrees with you.

Oh well.

Who cares?

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/06/opinionated.gif

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Personally I tend to think in terms of odds, not absolutes.

*On average*, I like white and Asian chicks better than black chicks (my tastes are pretty mainstream – straight up All American stereotype chicks), but I’ve seen and slept with a number of cute black chicks and seen plenty of uggo white chicks.

Passing the boner test is a case by case decision – I don’t rule out (or in) entire races smile

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Meh. If I go downtown in my city, The consensus will not be that white women are more attractive than black women. If I go around my job’s hallways, the consensus will be that white women are more attractive than black women. Neither opinion constitutes a fact, only a personal preference. Dating ” sites ” are overwhelmingly populated by… who? c’mon, tell me. So their stats are the same as me roaming the halls at work asking who’s more attractive. The problem is that white people asking each other who’s attractive. Lol. And then taking the answer as universal truth.… Read more »

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lol, couldn’t get laid if Mystery and Tyler were your fucking room mates.

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@blax Right, so what you are saying is people are just misinformed. You could have simply explained why you think our ideas are wrong. Instead you call all of us racists and all sorts of other names. Lol, I don’t harp on your age. I call you an “old fart”. Its more of a term of endearment than an insult. The things you call me though are seriously derogatory and insulting and untrue. You will never progress because you already know every fucking thing, and you have all of the answers, right? No, I don’t. That’s where the issue with… Read more »

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I haven’t called anyone here racist except you hank.

Fuck all that ” older guys know everything ” shit you’re talking. Lol. I’m set pal. I’m good.

You’re struggling to figure shit out. You reject wisdom and advice. That’s your prerogative, but stop bitching and whining and complaining. Take your ” L’s ” like a fucking man already.

Btw, I didn’t call you a faggot. I also have gay friends that I’ve had for life, soooo……

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Oh, and I’m tired of the ” test everything excuse “. If I told you that running in traffic was dangerous, would you need to go run in traffic to ” test it “?

Buffer.

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@blax Then tell me, why oh why is your struggle so real? Why doesn’t all of the amazing shit that you seem to know advance your life/cause? Yeah, this is the shit that gets real old. SJF brought it up a few weeks ago with his “eeeeeh I bet you aren’t really sick at all. eeehh what do you have that’s wrong with you eeeeeeh” So I listed all the issues I found so far and shut him up. Yet again, I have been working with Forge the Sky as well as a specialist doctor for months to figure out… Read more »

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@ Blax

Innisbrook Copperhead calling. 62 degrees.

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Lol.

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@hank, exactly what straw man marriage debate are you talking about? I’m pretty sure most (if not all) of us old fuckers have said that getting married in today’s hostile environment is not worth the risk for the average man. But we also said that it’s not out of the realm of possibility to have a successful marriage today if a RP-aware man has the temperament, resilience, mastery of his domain, the desire, and (most importantly) a mindset of abundance… you need to be able to say ‘fuck it’ and be willing to burn it all to the ground, knowing… Read more »

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Innsbruck Nordpark, 39 degrees. Might as well golf.

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SJF brought it up a few weeks ago with his “eeeeeh I bet you aren’t really sick at all. eeehh what do you have that’s wrong with you eeeeeeh” So I listed all the issues I found so far and shut him up. Damn right I shut up. But it was because I got tired of listening to your whiny ass. Not ’cause you shut me up with your non-profound and treatable maladies. (By good dietary habits, targeted exercise–obviously weightlifing– and lack of stress. And get a job. With health insurance.) What I said was: “BTW Hank, what new diseases… Read more »

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dis-ease, not at ease.

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Hank

Draw up a graph showing SMV as related to race, get tommy to help you then go write your own book.

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hank holiday
January 31, 2018 at 1:46 pm

Look up ==> Cannabis cytokine storm

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She was wanted to snag a wealthy celebrity. Once at his place, her body refused to cooperate. She stuck around hoping she would eventually be turned on. It never happened. She was repulsed by him.

She then turned it into an opportunity for attention and career boost

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With your kind assistance, I can both kill this thread and resolve the argument over SMV and Race with the wisdom of Redd Foxx (You Gotta Wash Your Ass): I love black women. You see me with a white woman, I’m holding her for the police. Of course I’m no idiot, I’d prefer Raquel Welsh over Shirley Chisholm. ..I’d prefer Joe Namath over Shirley Chisholm. But she still will never be the champion. Mrs. Roosevelt will always be number one! Champion! Mrs. Roosevelt, goddamn! That’s an ugggly white woman. Damn, that’s ugggly white… I saw Mrs. Roosevelt’s picture in Jet… Read more »

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I fucking love identity politics. Even manages to get the chat here turned against itself. *slow clap*

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@Hank Holliday https://www.quora.com/What-happens-in-the-brain-when-we-are-stressed-Does-it-think-more-productively-Can-it-produce-better-business-ideas What happens in the brain when we are stressed? Does it think more productively? Can it produce better business ideas? This question previously had details. They are now in a comment. Jordan B Peterson Jordan B Peterson, a psychology professor at the University of Toronto, a clinical psychologist, a TVO essayist, lecturer and … Answered Mar 8, 2016 When we are stressed, our bodies default to emergency preparation mode. Stress almost inevitably involves novelty or uncertainty. If a situation is novel or uncertain then, by definition, the appropriate response is unspecified and the possibility of danger exists.… Read more »

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I haven’t read the comments but regarding the article one thing that was left out was the fact that she knew the moment she attended the party that this was going to be the possible ticket to launch herself into MONEY. She is attending celebrity hangouts to end up with MONEY. His game was of no matter or being an alpha or beta. She was looking for money. She wrote the letter because she did not end up with HUSBAND-MONEY.

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Laura Kipnis has a great new comment: Grace was [willing] to be seduced. She just wanted things to go differently, slower, more romantic, less porny. … Ansari apologized, … but … she wanted … shame … and … punishment. … I’d like [her] to acknowledge that there was an implicit bargain going in: You were relying on the seducer to supply certain goods and services — intensity, consolation, fantasy — in exchange for your participation. https://www.thecut.com/2018/06/laura-kipnis-on-the-future-of-seduction.html Also, after cock-teasing Paul Janka and trying to embarrass him on the Dr. Phil show, comedienne Heather Fink is spreading hearsay about Aziz. https://medium.com/@heatherfink/what-i-know-about-aziz-ansari-201549582e34… Read more »

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I never learned game. I just only dated chicks that were in to me.

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