I’m going to make a confession here; until a week ago I had no idea who Aziz Ansari was. I get he was some low limit comedian, and in today’s social environment that means he lectures an audience about social justice issues for an hour while trying to insert some humor into his act. I’ve pretty much given up on most comedians these days, and I’m a guy who used to love standup. However, my unfamiliarity with Aziz was actually a benefit in assessing his recent pillory in the mainstream. Had I known about him before all this, and his comedy activism, I likely would’ve just dismissed his case as the next guy to be put into the MeToo deadpool of celebrity men – and I’m being generous about the “celebrity” part.
I had actually resigned myself to blowing off his whole story until I started digging into the particulars of the ‘date’ he had with the anonymous “Grace”. On first pass this whole incident is easy to dismiss even for Red Pill aware men with better things to do than bother themselves with another Hollywood chump to go down to the open power grab that MeToo and TimesUp have become. There is, however, a lot to unpack in the whole thing though. If you want the whole story you can read about it here on Babe.net, the blog for “Girls who don’t give a fuck”, which is interesting because apparently they give a lot of fucks according to the story.
Just to break down some of the particulars here:
- She (Grace) approaches Aziz in the beginning. Flirts with him and then goes back to her date she was with that evening. They would catch each other glancing at the other durning the night (IOIs). They ‘ran into each other’ later and he number closes.
- Aziz Beta texts her almost immediately and tries to text Game/flirt with her before he asks her out
- Before meeting Ansari, she tells friends and coworkers about the date and consulted her go-to group chat about what she should wear to fit the “cocktail chic” dress-code he gave her. She settled on “a tank-top dress and jeans.” She showed me a picture, it was a good outfit.
- After the white wine she didn’t like, they end up back at his place. She complimented his marble countertops. Ansari turned the compliment into an invitation. “He said something along the lines of, ‘How about you hop up and take a seat?’” Within moments, he was kissing her. “In a second, his hand was on my breast.” Then he was undressing her, then he undressed himself.
- Ansari tells her he was going to get a condom within minutes of their first kiss, Grace voiced her hesitation explicitly. “I said something like, ‘Whoa, let’s relax for a sec, let’s chill.’” She says he then resumed kissing her, briefly performed oral sex on her, and asked her to do the same thing to him. She did, but not for long. “It was really quick. Everything was pretty much touched and done within ten minutes of hooking up, except for actual sex.”
- Ansari repeatedly attempts ‘The Claw’. on her “The move he kept doing was taking his two fingers in a V-shape and putting them in my mouth, in my throat to wet his fingers, because the moment he’d stick his fingers in my throat he’d go straight for my vagina and try to finger me.” “It was 30 minutes of me getting up and moving and him following and sticking his fingers down my throat again. It was really repetitive. It felt like a fucking game.”
- Ansari physically pulled her hand towards his penis multiple times throughout the night, from the time he first kissed her on the countertop onward. “He probably moved my hand to his dick five to seven times,” she said. “He really kept doing it after I moved it away.”
- Ansari presses her for sex. He asks repeatedly, “Where do you want me to fuck you?” while she was on the countertop. She says she didn’t want to fuck him at all. He keeps asking, so she says, ‘Next time.’ Aziz says, ‘Oh, you mean second date?’ and she says, ‘Oh, yeah, sure,’ and he goes, ‘Well, if I poured you another glass of wine now, would it count as our second date?’
- She later says she doesn’t want it to seem forced and this wakes Ansari up from his sexual stupor. “He said, ‘Oh, of course, it’s only fun if we’re both having fun. Let’s just chill over here on the couch.’ Ansari instructed her to turn around. “He sat back and pointed to his penis and motioned for me to go down on him. And I did. I think I just felt really pressured. It was literally the most unexpected thing I thought would happen at that moment because I told him I was uncomfortable.”
- Halfway into the encounter, he led her from the couch to a different part of his apartment. He said he had to show her something. Then he brought her to a large mirror, bent her over and asked her again, “Where do you want me to fuck you? Do you want me to fuck you right here?” He rammed his penis against her ass while he said it, pantomiming intercourse.
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They got dressed, sat side by side on the couch they’d already “chilled” on, and he turned on an episode of Seinfeld. While the TV played in the background, he kissed her again, stuck his fingers down her throat again, and moved to undo her pants. She turned away. “I remember saying, ‘You guys are all the same, you guys are all the fucking same.’” Ansari asked her what she meant. When she turned to answer, she says he met her with “gross, forceful kisses.” After that last kiss, Grace stood up from the couch, moved back to the kitchen island where she left her phone, and said she would call herself a car. He hugged her and kissed her goodbye, another “aggressive” kiss. When she pulled away, Ansari finally relented and insisted he’d call her the car.
All of this detail is important to consider because Ansari’s actions here are classic Beta Game desperation tactics. It is literally one Beta move after another. Many of the reviewers of this incident like to point out that it was really a misunderstood date gone wrong, or else they use it as proof-positive of a sexual assault, but I’m going to argue something different here – Ansari is simply a Beta chump with very little Game savvy who, if he’d had even a hint of Game awareness could’ve had a good sexual experience both for himself and her.
As I’ve mentioned before, I’m not a proponent of men attempting to push past last minute resistance. For as much as “enthusiastic consent” will be used as a tool of fear to dissuade Beta men from even attempting to approach, I can’t say that I wouldn’t want a woman to have a genuine desire to fuck me in any sexual episode. I can remember in my ‘rock star 20s’ doing exactly this. If a woman wasn’t into having sex with me or she had some reservations or some hoops she expected me to jump through in order to get her to “come around” to fucking me I would simply excuse myself from the situation. I was at a point in my life where I had many other (proven) options, and if a new prospect wasn’t an absolutely ‘enthusiastic’ “Hell Yes!” girl I had at least six other women who were eager to come over and fuck me. This was just a subconscious awareness I took for granted at the time, but it was an attitude that stemmed from abundance.
That was essentially my Game back then. It was the natural reflex of an Alpha man and women responded to it. The behaviors and attitudes I exhibited just flowed from my unrehearsed subconscious. It was who I was. Dread is much more effective for a man when a woman sees that he’s oblivious to his causing dread.
Most men never really experience this kind of sexual abundance and as such it colors their outlook and how they expect sex to work for them. One big problem inherent to men’s Blue Pill conditioning is the idea that sex must be negotiated for a woman to feel comfortable enough to fuck a guy, but more importantly in this era, to avoid any misunderstandings that would lead to his getting a sexual misconduct allegation. The Blue Pill teaches men to respect women by default, for no other reason than she has a vagina, but also that open communication, full disclosure and negotiation are necessary elements of sex. We can see this played out in the ludicrous expectation that every sex action a man involves himself in requires vocal enthusiastic consent. This is the acculturation; men are expected to negotiate every sexual detail of a sexual experience.
Needless to say this is patently ridiculous, but it’s also the surest way to kill the actual enthusiasm a woman might actually have for a guy. One thing that will separate Alpha men from Betas in the future will be that man’s honed capacity to remove himself from any sexual situation that is negotiated. Women want to play the Game, they don’t want the Game explained to them. They want a man who Just Gets It and the men who don’t get it will be the ones whose dutiful Blue Pill conditioning prompts them to start any and every approach at intimacy by negotiating the terms for a woman’s desire.
You cannot negotiate genuine desire, but this negotiation is exactly what modern feminism simultaneously fosters and struggles against. The idea of ‘enthusiastic consent’ is really a want on the part of women to have the sex they genuinely have a desire to experience with a man. This is all women want to write about now and the Ansari incident is a textbook example of the kind of negotiated sex women don’t want to have, but sometimes go through with for transactional reasons. Remember, sex with Alpha men is validational for women – lackluster ‘meh’ sex with Beta men is transactional sex. If you only read what women are writing about sex today you’d think that transactional sex is all they’ve ever been having – and sexist men see women as ‘soft’ prostitutes. Now it’s suddenly some revolutionary act for women to have the sex Alpha sex enjoyment they’ve always “deserved” but have been repressed by transactional sex with Betas.
That said, I can’t disagree entirely with the want for an enthusiastic sex partner who genuinely wants to fuck me 12 ways to Tuesday. And this is women’s rationale today, “Don’t you want to fuck a woman who really wants to fuck you?” It’s hard to argue against the “Hell Yes” girl, until you realize that the sex they are describing is only reserved for the guy they really want to bang and mistakenly believe their overinflated self-value warrants.
Now, I’ve read the debate from PUAs who make the point that it is entirely possible to make a ‘No’ girl into a ‘Hell Yes’ girl. I’ve seen the infield videos so I’ll spare you the linking. My question then is, after deftly applying Game and calibrating all the minutiae to do so, how does this compare to a woman who has a genuine desire for you from the start? I think one huge hurdle for guys unplugging from their Blue Pill conditioning have to face is the presupposition that sex is only the result of a process of negotiation. That negotiation is what the Blue Pill teaches boys and men from a very early age.
Aziz! Light!
The Ansari incident has a lot of Red Pill lessons to teach. First and foremost is the fact that Ansari is a consumate Beta. Looking at the guy he resembles any number of Indian computer programmers frustrated by a want for the secret formula to make a gorgeous American blonde with big tits fall in love with him. Don’t get me wrong, I counsel these men personally, but he fits that schema. Next, Ansari is a vocal and outspoken White Knight for feminism and regularly proves his male self-loathing as part of his standup act. I mean, the guy wears a Time’s Up pin. But like most male feminists, he gets hung by his own Beta Game bullshit – this is the fate of all male feminists.
Lastly, Ansari is a Beta who made good. I’ve talked about the Blue Pill White Knights and self-righteous AFCs in many a post, but I’m not sure I’ve emphasized how dangerous this mindset can be for a Beta who has a combination of affluence, celebrity and social proof. There comes a self-validation in that Blue Pill mindset when women want to be associated with him. He develops a belief that it’s his Blue Pill conditioning, and his adherence to it, that is the reason for his relative success with women. This insulates these guys from ever disconnecting from that conditioning, but it also lessens an incentive to see women in any other perspective. The result of this is exactly what Ansari experienced in this incident. He was too comfortable in presuming his pro-woman, female identifying, Beta Game would make his sexual expression ‘Okay’ with any woman who gave him positive sexual interest.
Another big indicator of this, and really much of Beta Game, was his repeated pawing of Grace and repeated sexual expressions with her. It wasn’t working as he believed it should, so what was his solution? Continue with the negotiation and hope for a positive sign of reinforcement from her. Every act that Ansari attempted with Grace was a form of negotiation. I can’t get sex? How about a blow job? No? Okay how about if I go down on you? She feels forced? Woah, default to female identification persona. Presume the sale, “How do you want me to fuck you?”
This is all one big negotiation – there is no genuine desire and no enthusiasm of the part of Grace – but since Ansari has never had the incentive to learn Game he keep going back to what he thinks should work on her.
To wrap all of this up, I should mention that the reason this whole affair went viral is should really be no surprise. It’s one more example of everything MeToo has been harping on for almost 5 months now, yes, but it’s also an illustration of exactly this new sentiment of the “grey area” sex I brought to light in Dangerous Times – Part 2. It’s sex women have out of courtesy (Aziz got a courtesy hummer) or convenience or just as something to do. It is exactly the obligated sex I’ve been talking about since The Desire Dynamic. This incident is exactly the story this ‘grey sex’ sentiment had needed, but in the larger picture it highlights the difference between transactional sex and validational sex.
As Open Hypergamy becomes yet more normalized it’s now time that the Feminine Imperative acknowledges the type of sex women desire and enjoy, and the type of sex they feel obligated to perform as part of a negotiation or transaction. And naturally the need to define what women’s Hypergamy dictates becomes a new form of shame for men. Evil Patriarchal men are to blame for women having to openly acknowledge that they only want to fuck Alpha men with any real enthusiasm. Men are to blame for validational and transactional sex, and now absolved, women can take the next steps in consolidating on Hypergamy.
No, there’s no current legislation that makes ‘unenthusiasitc sex’ a sex crime (yet), but remember that the sexual arms race is always fought in the court of public opinion before anything is written in ink.
https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/7t3sdd/a_simple_epidemiological_model_of_infectious/?ref=share&ref_source=link
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“Knowing that I was going to
diefuck a desirable woman was a great motivator.Knowing that I was going to
diefuck her now was a peak experience and a great release.Knowing I had released, but
continued to liveshe continued to desire me and had lots of value after fucking was: Freedom.”The Essence of Being a Masculine Male in The Game. Release. Freedom from Constraint after pursuing a Mission.
Sexuality is not divorce-able from all other aspects of life.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction/comments/7t1159/twitter_feminist_upset_about_having_to_delete/?ref=share&ref_source=link
https://www.reddit.com/r/thalassophobia/comments/7t3t9m/apex_predator/?ref=share&ref_source=link
https://www.reddit.com/r/bicycling/comments/7t3z95/last_year_i_rode_72_miles_on_a_trip_culminating/?ref=share&ref_source=link
@Incubus_Rising It is striking how some men learn scripted routines to impersonate alphas (or parlay their celebrity). By practicing approaches, they become skilled at early stages of interaction, first dates, and even getting women back to their places. But they lack a genuine connection and understanding of sexuality. So they become frustrated that they can’t script the ending. It reminds me of chasing girls as a little boy. After I caught one, I didn’t know what to do. So I would let her go in order to chase her again.
“Death as a concept is solely human.”
Howver, fear of being killed is not. Even single celled organisms exhibit being killed avoidant behaviour.
Some higher animals recognize death when they see it, but do not evidence behaviour that they know it could happen to them.
Cetaceans may be aware that the death they see could happen to them (which is different from “will”), but whether or not they can conceive of death as an abstract cannot be deduced strictly from behaviour. It would require an exchange of abstracts.
@ kfg
You got me. I’ve been called scum.
@Rugby:
“When we do it it’s rightiousness.”
I was actually seriously considering taking that ride last year, then catching the ferry to Ireland, but it turned out that all of my waypoints (Copenhagen, Utrecht and Calais) were “hot spots.”
Well, there’s some loverly bits of New England, Montana and Wyoming I haven’t ridden in yet.
And a pig.
@Eh Intellect:
Don’t sweat it. People have been having fits about how to distinguish human from pig since the time of Linnaeus.
the only difference is how you cook ’em, and even that’s not much difference
Hypergamy is leashed by civilization tolerably well. In the modern era about 90% of children were fathered by the man their mother married.
Civilization is organization. Organized government (codified laws). Organized religion. etc.
Civilization is a recent invention. No more than 10K years old. The theory is that agriculture required it. Nomads don’t require property in the sense of land titles.
Used ta was there was more lard on a pig, but times change.
Cetaceans are extremely interesting to . . . exobiologists. A sentient, alien species right here on Earth to study, but even though we share a planet and genetic background, we are so far removed we haven’t been able to establish communication at what we can deduce is their cognitive level.
“The theory is that agriculture required it. ”
The function of a city is to store wealth. Stored wealth invites raiders. Raiders demand a forcible defense of the city. Forcible defense of the city demands that raiders up their own game, next thing you know . . . Stukas.
“we are so far removed we haven’t been able to establish communication at what we can deduce is their cognitive level”
so they’re either not smart enough or not trying hard enough…. so fuck ’em
‘parmacetti candles for all!!
http://shapingtasmania.tmag.tas.gov.au/Objects/10/Featured/10.jpg
Club Sperm lol
sounds like the wry entendre name of the FI’s secret society
or a cool band name
Don’t sweat it. People have been having fits about how to distinguish human from pig since the time of Linnaeus.
I’m being called a pig just about every 2nd day by my gf. Must be doing something right
SJF January 26, 2018 at 8:20 am I’ve always liked Aleister Crowley’s formulation of that. “Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law.” “Love is the law. Love under will.” There are a thousand pitfalls in that (probably way more). But the essence is you that have a core being not corroded by “word” overlays and emotional overlays. Get to know it. For that silence is very helpful. I used to (and still occasionally) would spend a day (Equinoxes and Solstices) not talking. Not a word. It is much harder than you think. It has two effects. You… Read more »
When Ansari was first getting big I saw one of his shows and it was OK. I took my ex GF to another years later and it was awful. He was complete SJW Beta, lecturing to the crowd instead of being funny or witty. His entire act was whining that girls would never text him back.
Club Sperm
That’s a gay disco nearby.
kfg
January 26, 2018 at 9:50 am
next thing you know . . . Stukas.
Good one..
“The function of a city is to store wealth,”
I disagree. The function of a city is to provide markets where services and goods to be traded among different peoples. Cities create wealth through commerce of goods, services and ideas.
Banks, traditionally, store wealth. Cities, traditionally, create safe(r) markets to create wealth.
“The function of a city is to provide markets where services and goods to be traded among different peoples.”
These things are evolutions of stored wealth. See Stukas.
“Cities create wealth through commerce of goods, services and ideas.”
Yer a white collar big city boy, ain’tcha?
You boys are having way too much fun today. Pretty sure there’s a law against that being written up by somebody right this minute. Sweden maybe.
Since the subject of pigs has arisen, Churchill was as good as any:
“I like pigs.
Dogs look up to us.
Cats look down on us.
But pigs treat us as equals.”
@KL ” It is striking how some men learn scripted routines to impersonate alphas (or parlay their celebrity). By practicing approaches, they become skilled at early stages of interaction, first dates, and even getting women back to their places. But they lack a genuine connection and understanding of sexuality. So they become frustrated that they can’t script the ending. It reminds me of chasing girls as a little boy. After I caught one, I didn’t know what to do. So I would let her go in order to chase her again.” Yes, I agree and see a lot of that… Read more »
@Rollo
OT but have you considered setting up shop at minds.com? They’re doing a reasonable policy of keeping things open and allowing pretty controversial discourse. I’ve been shit posting there for a while and a bunch of Red Pill manosphere types seem to be around openly with no real issue.
A female lamentation about Men’s Clubs, strip clubs, male power, and the limits of #MeToo
https://qz.com/1188053/the-presidents-club-fallout-why-metoo-movement-will-not-affect-the-financial-world/?mc_cid=e57b7883fc&mc_eid=2c0f3287f8
Qz.com article
Pulling women onto lap, meh.
Getting her to take panties off publicly, meh.
Tailhook for Beta financers.
Similar to the recently posted here orgy for tech types.
“It’s not going to change the day-to-day aggressions against women”
Aggressions of selectively Alpha buying access to hotties.
KL @Anonymous Reader Only a women’s site would publish such negative information. So? Women have many stories of men who react badly to intimate sexual rejection. Men get hostile and violent, or they beg and cry. Naturally this doesn’t work, and the men don’t advertise it. So? It is striking when men have skills to bring a woman home, but are so awful at seduction. So? These men just don’t get it, and that is why they encounter “Last Minute Resistance”. Yes, dearie, we know. Do you have a point to make, or are you just here for the attention?… Read more »
@RaulB – Hey, I’m just catching up here after a bit. I think you misunderstand what’s meant by alpha by my commentary. Aziz is thirsty and his inner game is all fucked up. He’s outcome oriented instead of enjoying the seduction. You know, I even enjoy gaming girls who fizzle out. Most of them do, but flirting and seduction is fun in and of itself. Calibration is the biggest key of all. And then, it’s nothing like the “caveman” attack mode you reference above. It’s a game of push-pull, of give and take of peaks and valleys, of escalations and… Read more »
“Sentient”
Better to go to Valhalla from your own actions of living – a moonlight orgasm in the stars – than stroke out in your recliner, sitting in a pool of piss, History Channel still blaring in the background when they find you a week later.
Because those are the only two alternatives in “Sentient” land. LOL!
https://infogalactic.com/info/False_dilemma
In the real world, life is not binary. There’s more than 50 shades of grey…
“In the real world, life is not binary”
said a beta to an alpha.
Keep half stepping… 🚶 Ya get halfway there…
One other point, to the guy upthread who claims “it’s her version of the story”, uhh, go look at the Babe article. She includes in it a text exchange she had the next day with Ansari, including some deets and he doesn’t deny any of it. Ansari hasn’t denied a bit of it since either. The point is, in an SJW converged society, such things are a social crime so he’s suffering social punishment. Nobody is suing him or charging him with a crime. But he’s an absolute fraud who openly claimed to be an ally of intersectional feminists for… Read more »
As Leibnitz said to Zeno, “If you keep half stepping in infinite series, sooner or later you get close enough.”
#MeToo is going after Hillary.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-26/clinton-ignored-staffers-sexual-harassment-allegations-during-2008-campaign
The guy accused “was a founder of the American Values Network”
The Revolution must refresh itself from time to time by eating its own children, – Famous last words of Robespierre to Danton.
scribblerg
January 26, 2018 at 12:22 pm
Excellent dissection.
@Sentient – Wow, that had to leave a mark on Anononononononononononononnonononymous. Re: DPA – Err, uhhh, the gap that has opened up for me when living into DPA is gaping. Like I fall short but it’s such a worhwhile habit to groove in. It does come naturally to me at times, and happens more on its own than in the past, but wow, have i compromised with my own life far more than I realized. That’s okay, I’m the happy warrior ‘trudging the road of happy destiny’, I’m resilient as a motherfucker and now enjoy the game. But still, wow,… Read more »
“He will either end up a dustman or a millionaire.” notice the constrained mindset of the “headmaster” (cough, blow me) while he passes judgment on a future legend this headmaster worked at a fucking school because he had no vision. don’t listen to any of these fuckers. ever. Bonzo is a link in a beautiful chain. how many world class drummers heard that cough “echo” on when the levee breaks and did their very best to imitate it on their first kits? how many of them got to see him play? what did it do to them? his rhythm is… Read more »
““Knowing that I was going to fuck a desirable woman was a great motivator.
Knowing that I was going to fuck her now was a peak experience and a great release.
Knowing I had released, but she continued to desire me and had lots of value after fucking was: Freedom.”
The Essence of Being a Masculine Male in The Game. Release. Freedom from Constraint after pursuing a Mission. ”
tattooing this on my brain. thanks.
“his rhythm is in the soul of so many of us who heard zeppelin in the womb”
I got Nat King Cole admonishing me to straighten up and fly right.
Kobayashi1681
Rollo, guys….about that open hypergamy😁😁😁
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/25/health/cuckolding-sex-kerner/index.html
Basically, “Cuckolding is healthy, & those against are conservatives who harbour that fantasy”
Eh, that’s just another trial balloon. Kerner has been floating them for a while now to see if the idea can get any traction, “look, cuckys, this is your new normal!”. It’s propaganda, really.
M. Simon
In the modern era about 90% of children were fathered by the man their mother married.
Wrong. Ridiculous. How about some ginko?
wkkdd’s syllogism:
Propaganda is bad.
I am not bad.
Ergo, what I do is not propaganda.
A lot of “trial” balloons have been floated over the years that have normalized enough behaviour to get to the point where they could float that one. A balloon they knew they were going to float no later than the 20s.
Sometimes they lose patience and try to push something too hard, too fast, but they are persistent.
Scribblerg
Good stuff.
Trying to live by The Platinum Rule [do whatever you want to do, whenever you want to do it] and a DPA life can be daunting at times…
What do I want to do? Now?
But it does help focus one’s energy over time.
Me remembering that as we are closing in on the 20s, I have to specify the 1920s these days.
does anyone else see the similarities between scribbs and fleezer? attitude/writing styles in particular
anyone ever see them in a room together? I thought so
kfg A lot of “trial” balloons have been floated over the years that have normalized enough behaviour to get to the point where they could float that one. A balloon they knew they were going to float no later than the 20s. Sure. Stimulus – > Response works on all of us to some degree. It’s how we got from “Gay marrige? Are you nuts?” to “married” lesbians working in hospital admissions. Stimulus -> Response doesn’t have to be that obvious, either. “Will & Grace” was obvious to me, but since I didn’t watch much TV then I wasn’t anesthetized… Read more »
dr zipper does anyone else see the similarities between scribbs and fleezer? Only superficially. Scribblerg thinks differently in some ways than fleezer. It was scribbs that pointed out Biology of Desire about 3 years back, in the context of neuroplasticity. Very valuable lesson, and one that I’ve tried to pass on to men in real life. Ditto information on parental alienation that Scribblerg posted, not something I’ve gone through but I know frivorced men being gaslit by their ex-wives who are right up at the edge of it. Again useful info. fleezer’s a different breed of cat. Poster man for… Read more »
@kfg
Shouldn’t you be riding your bike or something?
“Shouldn’t you be riding your bike . . .”
No.
“. . . or something?”
Yes, but I’m afraid that doesn’t move me very far from the main monitor.
Very well said on Aziz, Scribbler.. Yours was a more blunt version of my own thoughts on the whole thing.. Having had hot, dominant first date sex with women I agree that it is a special situation that presents itself in the right circumstance.. It’s not an objective for every Sat night, or a damn script you run.. Now, about this BlackDragon crock of shit that was discussed a while back… You guys are kidding right? That punk is selling you a huge line of shit.. You ever heard “If it sounds too good to be true it probably is”???… Read more »
SjR, IDK, but I feel Blackdragon is an antidote to the melancholy that pervades most men. Otherwise known as Depression–something I don’t know the feeling of. As such, Blackdragon sounds like he is having fun, even if selling something for a buck. He’s a niche in the wall of Red Pill. I get something from him, even though I’m happily monogynic for now. And I’m certainly having non-melancholic fun, even if a lot of it is head games, of which inter-sexual eroticism employs. It’s a neat trick, even if it’s a devils trick. “Every man for himself, his own ends,… Read more »
Anonymous Reader
January 26, 2018 at 1:02 pm
OK. I looked it up. And 10% is the number most often given when scientists are polled.
The actual number is between 1 and 5% in the US.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/06/the-paternity-myth-the-rarity-of-cuckoldry/
https://www.promega.com/-/media/files/resources/conference-proceedings/ishi-15/parentage-and-mixture-statistics-workshop/introductiontoparentagestatistics.pdf?la=en
speaking of Aleister Crowley’s ilk:
http://www.openculture.com/2017/12/3500-occult-manuscripts-will-be-digitized-made-freely-available-online.html
I have often wondered how it is that every man loves himself more than all the rest of men, but yet sets less value on his own opinions of himself than on the opinions of others.
— Marcus Aurelius
Paternity
In graduate school, genetics students typically are taught that 5 to 15 percent of the men on birth certificates are not the biological fathers of their children. In other words, as many as one of every seven men who proudly carry their newborn children out of a hospital could be a cuckold.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/07/who-s-your-daddy/305969/
Does anybody have a better source?
Now that DNA testing is becoming cheaper and easier, we can get better numbers. A couple of recent studies from Western Europe suggest that somewhere between 0.6 and 0.9 percent of men are unknowingly raising another man’s child.
Some people been tokin weed.
found the second quotation here: https://ww2.kqed.org/science/2013/11/25/new-dna-studies-debunk-misconceptions-about-paternal-relationships/
“That punk is selling you a huge line of shit.. ”
That’s a baby-bath water mistake. It’s o.k. to cherry pick ignore the rest.
Who reads a book for every word contained in it anyways? I give RP guys more credit.
This was good on Rollo’s twitter feed.
The relaxed open mouth display (playface) is a facial expression ubiquitous in the primate order and almost exclusively restricted to play contexts and serves the purpose to show submissive non-threatening engagement with the social hierarchy.”
https://goo.gl/images/Q543zh
I see it for what it is now, what it means about women, men. Fuck. Excuse me. I gotta choke back down my dinner.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Shitposting&tbm=isch&tbs=simg:CAQSmQEJRJ3TU4OyyocajQELEKjU2AQaBgg9CEIIFQwLELCMpwgaYgpgCAMSKKER4hzhHLsRthy1HLwRnRHfF5YbvDu7O7Iw7i3RL7Aw8CSUMJMwyC8aMLgJ-hemo1E1906qNdPO1u_1lFUiT13L5HisKX3kJzF1tX0SzP6iVnv1vEtcaPuop8yAEDAsQjq7-CBoKCggIARIEE0cxlww&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwk9_69_bYAhVOJt8KHXRkCpIQwg4IJigA&biw=1366&bih=637
I have often wondered how it is that every man loves himself more than all the rest of men, but yet sets less value on his own opinions of himself than on the opinions of others. — Marcus Aurelius To expound on that, take an excerpt from Vadim Zeland’s Reality Transurfing: Quote: Widening Your Comfort Zone Are you filled with the ambitious desire to become a star or a millionaire? If so, can you give yourself permission to become one? Most people believe that fame, money and power are the privilege of the chosen few, but if this is the… Read more »
Hey did you guys know that if you’re a “nerd” women expect you to be a willing cuck?
I honestly didn’t.
@Eh Intellect: “I gotta choke back down my dinner.”
Then you probably don’t want to know why women make that retarded looking duckface.
File this under cool stuff: https://youtu.be/oEtZ6KiP8mg Tucker Carlson: “Don’t let your children do anything that makes you dislike them. What does that mean?” Jordan Peterson: “Well first of all you have to understand that you are actually capable of disliking them. And because you are larger and more powerful than them, if you let them mis-behave in a way that makes you dislike them, you are going to take revenge on them in a very bad way. And sometimes, over decades, I’ve seen that take place as a clinical psychologist. More importantly if your children behave in ways that makes… Read more »
Since the subject has come up – the entire board of US Gymnastics is resigning.
Meh, that’s cool. I couldn’t properly stick the landing on my floor routine anyway
“Since the subject has come up – the entire board of US Gymnastics is resigning.” There is not There There. The guy was a fucking prevert frreak.(sic dick) There is not an indictment of maculinity there, because it is still in the realm of the weak perverted man. A guy that has no self discipline at all. A weak beta male that had access. He is not any more of and archetype than was Elliot Roger. But he is gasoline on the fire of the feminist shit-storm. My take? He’s two standard deviations left of the mean on the the… Read more »
I dont know how much alcohol or drugs were involved in the Ansari case. “Claw” sounds like something that happens in states of altered mentation, or something akin to that. But the social media is not the correct go to place for honest accounts of truth. For instance; we know Antifa was violent in Charlotte, but no one dare say that because saying that = “white supremacist” never mind the average off the mill Americans who just hope to see monuments representative of heritage symbols preserved. Many conservative victims of Antifa silently taking the beating. They dare not tell their… Read more »
And thinking more about Ansari, I wonder what is going to happen to all the women when the new, sensitive and effeminate millennial men start their#me too for lost careers. I mean, hanging a guy out naked and killing his career is bad. But when hoes start getting outed by the nice boys hung out naked? I can imagine the days when a stoned village bicycle turns up on the cover page of a village tabloid totally trashed (the morning after), no makeup, cum soaked gstring n all. I cannot see a law that will stop those boys, zeroed out… Read more »
http://theweek.com/articles/749978/female-price-male-pleasure
If you want even more bias and solipsism here’s a a treat.
Went out to speak to This girl named Emma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8WITcoMcUk&feature=youtu.be&a
I appreciate everyone here.
@Rugby – Back at ya, bud. Always interested in your comments and curation. Re: #MeToo – Upon more reflection I had a bit of an epiphany about this movement. While of course women have gotten emotionally carried away (shocking development, yes? we have to stop being surprised when women behave as women will btw), I think they are telegraphing something much more basic. Remember, women want us to “just get it”. They are focused on context and sub-communications – not what they are actually saying. First, I’m pretty shocked by how much of this stuff still goes unreported. The U.S.… Read more »
Perfect comparison of what passes for female competence and excellence compared to male…Peterson destroys Newman in this interview, it’s been all the rage on the interwebs so you may know of it. But seriously, Newman’s a perfect representation of batshit feminism and she’s easily revealed as an imbecile…
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54&w=560&h=315%5D
@DocZip – Fleezer and I are similar in that we don’t sugarcoat the hard truths of this Red Pill world. However, he’s an animal…and I am not. What he does to women is what gives the rest of us a bad name. But he does possess some great insights. And hey, since I got off the Blue Pill bandwagon I no longer need to white knight for women I don’t know who don’t give a shit about me.
PalmaSailor,scribblerg Had a problem sleeping so played this… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8neKS93z7Qg Comes close to religion mindset i grew up with. Look man i don’t intend to criticized society. The people within in must choose the meaning and purpose it has for them in politics or faith. Some part of me want’s to love them anyway. Pamlasailor my goals are mine went out to the rugby house last evening and meet up with the guy who drew my first blood on the field. Did some Kava at a round table and Spoke of the good times in the mist of the madness. I… Read more »
scribblerg January 27, 2018 at 12:59 am Just excellent. Women hope that the imaginary man (government) will stand in for a real man they have no competence to keep. In my mothers day at least some women got taught surrender. It needs to get taught again as a proper cultural value. I’m teaching it to the LTR. But it is hard going because growing up she was unprotected. She is near 70 and it still colors her attitude and emotions. My main job as far as she is concerned is to be her protector. Lucky for me she says I’m… Read more »
Rugby
Good stuff
What are some of the building blocks toward building your business, some of the step-by-steps you are planning ot doing?
Hey there’s a new Rollo post comin’ up on the flipside,
but first this one goes out to Aziz, from Abby …
https://youtu.be/ISBzf0Hzroo
Back to the reproduction question. Rollo says: Much of this article confirms a majority of what the Red Pill has been observing and considering for a long time now. The Pareto Principle being the highlight in this last part here; 20% of men reproducing with 80% of women. I’ll also draw your attention to the studies that suggest that only one man for every 17 women reproduced as little as 8,000 years ago (after the advent of agriculture). The Quillette article is a fascinating read, particularly from a Red Pill perspective, and I’d encourage you to read it. The operative… Read more »
On topic of the original post about Aziz:
https://youtu.be/wTbpl21OLjk
again, as a layman, these things confuse me: “…only one man for every 17 women reproduced as little as 8,000 years ago…” to me that sounds like 16 men didn’t get to reproduce; the part I don’t see discussed is how many of those 16 men *could* have reproduced? and if they didn’t reproduce, how do we know they were even alive/present? did the sabertooth eat them first? killed in battle? died from disease? if for example, 12 of those non-reproducers die off or were born dickless — basically didn’t reproduce for reasons others than intersexual dynamics — then wouldn’t… Read more »
@M Simon – And why wouldn’t mating behavior change dramatically as the ecosystem humans live in and our social order changes so rapidly now? It’s my adaptive strategy to be a suave dirty old bastard. I’m optimizing for my environment – this is not what I “want”. I’m making lemonade of lemons in a post-modern hellhole world jam packed with Victorian level moralizing and the Nihilism of any Beat poet…Like it ain’t working for me, this little shithole we call a society. i’m plotting my escape…it will be floating and long term. there are so many little hideaways around the… Read more »
“what am I missing? What you are missing is that researchers are speculating. Merely speculating. There isn’t a good record of the inter-sexual milieu at the times the 1/17 ratio was alleged. Trying to impute intent and motivation from the record. Also serves the FI “I have the pussy, so I make the rules” of the current milieu. The ratio sounds powerful in favor of the FI, so it gets broadcast loud and not so clear. https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success It’s merely a skewing of the sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive dynamic. AF/BB. Pareto Principle. Tinder dynamic. It’s how things were. How… Read more »
“Then boom, it will be fucking game over for lots of institutions and people who hold power. Me? I’ll be on anchored off a little island in the Indian ocean that doesn’t even care what country it’s part of…”
Pretty optimistic of you to believe you’ll be holding onto your boat in times like that.
“this also assumes that all a woman has to do to reproduce is survive until child-bearing age”
“I was goin’ta marry Daisy Sue, but paw put a stop to it because she’s a virgin. Paw said, ” Any gal tain’t fit fer her own kin tain’t fit fer mine.””
@rollo Strikingly similar stories about RSD Jeffy “JLAIX” Allen. Like you, Crystal (“sftallchk” in the comments) distainfuly used the term “transactional”. https://jezebel.com/5981578/angry-texts-from-the-rape-van-pick-up-artist He’s dying to go down on me, so I let him. When he comes back up, he has ZERO clothes on. (I still have my dress on). AND he has grabbed a condom and is putting it on. At this point, I’m like OK, BUDDY. LETS TAKE IT DOWN A NOTCH. total time since kissing began- definitely less than 20 minutes. He FLIPS the FUCK out. … It felt very transactional. Like, ‘let me hurry through this so… Read more »
https://twitter.com/thefaceberg/status/957108983394742273
I see so many messed up women, I’m starting to develop a lot more empathy for them. Hence my ethical guide to leave ’em better than I found ’em. Irrelevant to Red Pill and not BP nor white-knighting. I like girls who are warm & sweet & feminine who have been trained well. Not BPDs or other crazies. Of course, older broads (35-45) with lots of baggage may look good and fuck good, but then they misbehave something awful. I’m not talking garden variety shit tests. Retraining them is very difficult and likely the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. If… Read more »
KL
January 27, 2018 at 10:27 am
He was holding his hand like a girl does. OK. It happens (not very often). But to pose like that?
hoping this is bs… but I’ve heard enough girl frs to know it probably isn’t “He’s dying to go down on me, so I let him.” lol. massive beta tell don’t fucking do this. she doesn’t expect it early on and doesn’t want it until you got a few good rounds under your belts. tonguing the clit and fuckhole while you stare down her shithole isn’t something you should be doing unless she’s your virgin or you’re sure you got it owned. early going always seems to be doggy. takes a minute for her to let you see her real… Read more »
https://medium.com/@andreagrimes/stop-waiting-for-the-real-aziz-ansari-52c35022885d
https://medium.com/@dr_eprice/a-few-words-about-sexual-coercion-in-the-wake-of-the-aziz-ansari-accusations-7db015c1cde5
https://medium.com/@aditijuneja/allegations-against-aziz-ansari-are-forcing-a-reckoning-around-intersectionality-in-the-south-asian-613d30ad6ffc
https://medium.com/@shayalexi/when-i-say-that-every-man-is-aziz-ansari-8e4852c4fc7d
https://theestablishment.co/to-raise-a-feminist-son-talk-to-him-about-aziz-ansari-1ae7fd41b074
https://thelily.com/what-9-men-had-to-say-about-aziz-ansari-sober-sex-and-their-own-experiences-with-consent-eb1d8034d395
“I haven’t heard of men sticking fingers into a person’s mouth before. I don’t know what you’d even be trying to do there.” lol. a “person’s” mouth? i think you mean a girl’s mouth. lol. “trying to do”?. well, I was fingering her, and her pussy was gushing, so I took my fingers out of her pussy and put them in her mouth so she could taste how sweet she was. she enjoyed this very much. then I fucked her. it’s called dating. “Like, I’ve seen it happen in porn before, but I didn’t think people actually did that in… Read more »
“Grace was a woman who, like so many of us, has watched a man who seemed so good, so normal, so nice” read; beta “turn into a pair of hands and a dick” super common apparently. strating to realize these boring, obnoxious, overinflated 6s can’t catch a good dick if they try. lol. this goes to the core of the problem. she should not be surprised you have a dick… she should be wondering about what you can make her feel with it. “and an inability to hear the words “no” or “not right now” or “I’d like to go… Read more »
Re: RSD Jeffy – Guys: PUA, Game, The Red Pill – all must be put in perspective. Properly applied they lead to social intelligence, a natural confidence, and the ability to put pussy in its proper perspective. It’s just pussy. Jeffy’s got his schtick, but underneath it is thirst. Thirst is the fundamental characteristic of the Beta. He’s trying to prove something whereas I just want to get laid – it’s not about proving shit to me or anyone else. And sure, women are insane these days – the author doesn’t even like Jeff yet she lets him go down… Read more »
My Date with Grace-By “Aziz Ansari” My Date with Grace- [Written in the spirit of Rashomon/The Affair] 2017 Emmys was one of the best days of my life! Seems like it’s easy for celebrities, sure once we have made it. But remember I am just a short brown man in a white world. I’m just funny. Sometimes. Until I wasn’t. Let’s go back in time to earlier in my career: My stand up show was working out, people were laughing. But it’s not like I had a loft next to Taylor Swift or anything. Until ‘Masters of None’ got picked… Read more »
https://medium.com/@yaycapitalism/15a3deb48db4
https://archive.is/ObwRi
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/
@thedeti
It’s getting to the point where a man winning a rational argument with a woman is now sexual assault/sex harassment. It’s not just “mansplaining” or “hate”. It’s now a crime to prove a woman wrong in a debate.
Exactly my thoughts, feels like their emotions are supposed to trump logic, facts, and reason, because women feeling right is more important than truth
“j January 25, 2018 at 2:27 pm ugly French stand-up comedian with beautiful French newscaster” Look at her body language, she is forcefully grabbing the attention he gets. As Rollo says, “Women want a man who other men look up to or other women want”. Men who are creative or are famous may not be alpha, have most resources or have best genes. But hooking up with a such a man provides women with attention from rest of the tribe or the society and thereby increases her chances of getting noticed by men she most desires. Most Women become nurses… Read more »