The Marriage Game

As a few of my readers know my daughter is presently a sophomore at college. Every time she reaches a new milestone in her life I have a tendency to mentally go back in time in my own life and consider how utterly different her experiences are in comparison to my own. At 19 the thought of being as organized and honestly well off as she is in life now would never have occurred to me. For a very brief moment in my life back then I’d kept a journal of what it was I was doing and thinking at the time. My first ‘real’ girlfriend had given me this blank journal (she was one of those girls who wrote diaries) to write my thoughts in and being the Beta I was then most of it was filled with my Blue Pill frustration with girls. She’d gifted me this journal, I found out later, as an effort to absolve her of all the guilt she knew was coming her way for having cheated on me and deciding that, at 18 herself, she wanted to move on into her Party Years without the baggage of a dutiful Beta who thought he was going to marry her.

This was 1988 and the then 19 year old Rollo Tomassi was very much a typical Blue Pill Beta. I sometimes read back through the dozen or so pages I actually took the time to write back then to remind myself how I thought back then. I was very much and idealistic Beta back then, but I had several other friends who subscribed to the same Blue Pill delusions; and now with hindsight I realize this phase in a Beta’s life is one that was around long before and long after I went through it. This was the ‘Break Phase’ I outline in Preventive Medicine.

As it turned out, the girl who I predictably developed ONEitis for, the first girl to spread her legs for me (‘enthusiastically’), the girl I thought had to be “quality” if she appreciated a guy like me, was every bit the ‘play the field’ skank I would’ve never called her because it was what a “typical male” would say about her. At one point I had thought I’d want to marry her. My Blue Pill conditioning had taught me it would be the right, “supportive” thing to do; marry her and support her ambitions and goals (it’s what good Blue Pill boys ought to do) at the sacrifice of my own. And as directionless as I was then, that was an easy decision to make.

My daughter recently informed me that her boyfriend’s best friend just proposed to his girlfriend at 19. Both this guy and his girlfriend are also sophomores at the same school and this is what triggered the reminiscing for me. At 49, and having lived the life I have and the experiences I use on this blog today, I’m very glad my first girlfriend dumped me. That’s hard to say sometimes, particularly when I think back on the pit of misery years I spent with the BPD girlfriend I’d gotten involved with later, but I’m thankful for those bad experiences as much as the good ones. So, it’s really difficult for me to tell my daughter’s friend “oh, congratulations”.

It’s very difficult for me to endorse anyone getting married at so early an age these days or when I was 19. Modern marriage is a menagerie of horrors for today’s men. People say, “Rollo you’re married, how come you’re so hard on marriage?” It’s either that or they presume my marriage is a shit show and I’m venting like a petulant boy. When I’m critical of marriage it’s in spite of my own (very happy for 21 years) marriage. But I cannot condone it for men today – not in its present state. Hardline MGTOWs and PUAs agree on one thing, if you ever consider marriage you’re Blue Pill. I’ve written in many prior posts that I don’t necessarily agree with that assessment, but I do understand it. The risks today far outweigh the rewards, but still there are men who, even with Red Pill awareness, will still take it on.

There’s a running debate I have going on with Hunter Drew (The Family Alpha) and Tanner Guzy (Masculine Style) about how marriage is a lifestyle decision, and depending on how informed a man is about the risks he assumes and when he decides to get married, this decision is literally a question of life or death for that guy. Both these guys married early in life, both have kids, and both will have far different experiences than myself in this respect. Both of them and myself have assumed the risks and sacrifices this entails. I’m fully aware that my wife can detonate the marriage at any time. I’m sure both Hunter and Tanner are well aware that their wives also have the right to have them removed from their home and take their children away from them for any reason. But we’re all married, and as I wrote in Surrender, we have all willingly put ourselves in the most vulnerable position a man can be in; we’ve bet our lives, livelihoods and the future health and happiness of our kids and families on what today is the ultimate suckers bet for a man. And what’s worse, we cannot ever expect women or our wives to ever relate with just how dangerous a position we willingly put ourselves in.

So I’m thinking about all of this after my daughter tells me about this 19 year old kid proposing to his girlfriend. Statistically his marriage will end before he’s 28. I would also bet that, like myself at 19, he’s making a decision that will affect him and his fiancé’s based on Blue Pill idealism – an idealism that’s informed by the Feminine Imperative and delusions of egalitarian equalism. Naturally I can’t possibly think this is a good idea. If I were this boy’s father I’d strongly advise against it, but there are others in the manosphere who would encourage this.

“Grown” Men

There’s an old saying that goes “marriage is our last, best chance for growing up”. I also disagree with this from the perspective of today’s version of marriage, but I understand how homey platitudes like this are appealing to a social order of men who it seems don’t want to grow up. It’s becoming a new way of AMOGing (particularly in religious circles); if you’ve got your shit together enough to see the wisdom in being married and starting a family you’re a “better man” than the ‘boys’ who they believe want to extend their adolescence. It’s really nothing new.

According to strategic pluralism theory (Gangestad & Simpson, 2000), men have evolved to pursue reproductive strategies that are contingent on their value on the mating market. More attractive men accrue reproductive benefits from spending more time seeking multiple mating partners and relatively less time investing in offspring. In contrast, the reproductive effort of less attractive men, who do not have the same mating opportunities, is better allocated to investing heavily in their mates and offspring and spending relatively less time seeking additional mates.

This is one half of strategic pluralism theory for men. Men who invest themselves in the long term aspect will always look for ways to validate their inability or unwillingness to pursue multiple partners. It’s easy to think that these men make their necessity a virtue, and that may or may not be the case, but what’s undeniable is that investing themselves in a one-mate strategy necessarily selects them out of experiences with women that would otherwise aid them in vetting a woman as a good long term prospect. The Blue Pill has always subjugated men to be predisposed to the one-mate investment strategy while simultaneously encouraging women to adopt a multiple mate strategy. That may seem counterintuitive, but when we look at the Sheryl Sandberg plan for Hypergamy we can see that what they believe is prudence is having a large selection of potential husbands from which to choose.

In Trad-Con manosphere thinking it seems like conventional wisdom to encourage men and women to marry younger. Look at where we’re at today; women forestall marriage – ostensibly to further a career, but really to falsely extend their Hypergamous decision making years – until their Epiphany Phase (29-31) or even beyond by freezing their eggs. Men take much more time to mature into their peak SMV potential, but what’s the common complaint? These men aren’t “being men” by preparing themselves for a life of family and marriage. They aren’t catering their lives’ decisions to fulfill women’s sexual strategy, and really what incentive do they have to when women are following the Sandbergian path of Hypergamy? Men and women marry later and later – if at all. Women unmarried by the time they’re 34-35 are likely to never marry in their lives.

Marrying Early

So it seems like wisdom to tell this kid, “good on you”, in spite of all the odds staked against him and despite the Blue Pill idealistic delusions that are prompting him to propose. Trad-Cons love the idea of a return to something resembling “traditional values” in order to save western culture from itself, but it’s important to remember that those old books values are really just leverage in a new books world.

Marrying early, as I said, is usually the result of Blue Pill naiveté. Both young men and women are still ignorant of who they are or who they have a potential to become. I see a lot of early-marrieds originating in religious circles because this is their only means to “legitimate” sex, but there are the guys who see marrying early a better way to ensure ‘permanent’ sex for themselves. In some respects it’s almost a blessing that women at this age are so anti-marriage – most young men on the investment side of strategic pluralism are far too willing to kill their own dreams to accommodate their investment.

Marriages that begin between 20-24 are almost 39% more likely to end in divorce. A lot of this, I speculate, is due to women feeling like they need to make up for missing out. The idealism of young Blue Pill men marrying early has one big obstacle and that’s the influence of Hypergamy on their wives. In Preventive Medicine I made the case that no matter the woman’s choices she makes or has made for her in life, it will not negate Hypergamy’s influence on her. Yes, that influence can be mitigated culturally (laughable in western societies) or personally, but it doesn’t remove the evolved influence. By the time that 20 year old mother and wife is 30, she’s had ten years to develop the resentment of her choice by living vicariously through her single girlfriends’ experiences. The context may change, but Hypergamy doesn’t.

Early marriage limits a man’s potential. Trad-Cons will fight me on this one, but the responsibilities of marriage and parenting will necessarily limit a man from opportunities he would otherwise have were he single. Aristotle said, “The Ideal age for marriage in men is 35. The Ideal age for marriage in women is 18”, not unlike my sexual market value graph, but the reason for this is because it takes much longer for a man to establish himself as a man. The simple truth is that part of the sacrifice of being married means a man will not be able to capitalize on opportunities he would have were he single. Some opportunities may never even be made available to him because of him being married. This isn’t something most early-marrying men consider.

Men who marry early and stick it out through their peak SMV years often feel the mid-life crisis (epiphany) years much more acutely. This is kind of the man’s making up for missing out resentment a wife may feel as she becomes more and more aware that she can’t compete in the SMP for a better Hypergamous prospect. I don’t believe men have a “crisis” per se around this time, but what they do experience is a sense of introspection that’s colored by their now better capacity to understand the game they’ve been a part of with regards to women. When a man’s married well this is less of an issue, but there is a definite remorse over the “life he could’ve lived” if only he’d known better. This is an assessment of the sacrifices he’s made, how they paid off (if at all) and a sort of survey of his life up to that point.

The biggest ‘con’ to early marriage is that it’s always going to be a learn as you go prospect while trying to establish a world that a his wife of the future will want to defer herself to. This worked far better in a culture and time when women would be compelled to defer to a man’s mastery due to religion, social norms and respect. We do not live in those day anymore and women have actionable ‘outs’ of any commitment that doesn’t suit them, while men have more responsibilities to qualify themselves to suit women.

Advantages?

Early marriage has a few advantages, but all of these depend on the personal nature of the woman a man marries. That sounds kind of obvious, but if you go into a marriage with a solid Frame and a woman who expects to defer to your dominance, I think young marrieds might have a better shot at long term success. If a woman is a virgin, yes, this can be a real source of attachment for her if her husband imprints on her as solidly dominant Alpha. I always advise men not to get involved with a virgin girl if his only plan is to spin her as a plate. There is far too significant and imprinting with virgin women and sex with an Alpha man, or even a guy who seemed Alpha. This is the recipe for an Alpha Widow, but in a marriage it can make for a strong bond.

As has been mentioned countless times, the most stable and healthy way to raise children is in a committed marriage. This might be the only advantage marriage may have for a man today. In an early marriage I would think that a woman being at her sexual market value peak, combined with following her true biological clock (her prime fertility window 22-26) the odds of having happy healthy children are improved. I have a cousin who spent more than half his life building himself into a millionaire architect, but at my age (49) his children are 5 and 7. I can’t imagine living this life now. I suppose money might make it easier, but evolutionarily speaking he and I should effectively be grandfathers by now. I married at 28 and there are advantages and disadvantages to this as well, but I cannot imagine having young children at my age.

Finally, for the “well, duh” moment, it goes without saying that a young wife/mother should necessarily be playing on your team. The only possible successful prospect for a younger marriage to have any stability is if that woman understands what it is she’s sacrificing. Women likewise sacrifice their own personal potentials and later this becomes their source of resentment. The stakes are high for men, particularly if they aren’t Red Pill aware, but women too must understand her own sacrifices; I think this is the most difficult thing. Women’s solipsism, Hypergamous nature and a social order that ‘fempowers’ them to believe not only can they “have it all” but are entitled to it all makes this the bridge too far for young marriage.

In the Trad-Con sphere today there is a constant droning for personal responsibility on the part of men. There is little to none about the responsibilities of women. We’re constantly told that women are only the way they are because men have allowed it. I’ve written before that this is a cop out and an absolving of women’s complicity that mirrors what the Feminine Imperative has put forth. Women are taught not to do anything “for a man” and anything a woman does that might be expressly for a man is is conflated with subservience. Consequently we get generations of women who only indulge their natural solipsism and expect men’s sacrifices as part of the utilities. This is one of the primary reasons all marriages fail; there is no complementarity. Marriage becomes nothing but a naked exchange of resources on the part of the man and anything a woman might do ‘for’ him is frowned upon. And don’t think this is just limited to those blue haired feminists, you can find it at your church.

Women can only willingly want to please a man whose Frame is the dominant one. You’ve got to have that world established that she wants to enter and become a complementary, supportive (of you) and willing participant in. This world-building takes time. Women evolved to seek competency in men. Hypergamy cannot afford to bet all of a woman’s genetic legacy on a guy who has “potential” – they want the proven commodity. This is one reason women look for men older and taller than they are. More importantly, you need a woman who is playing on your team, not against you. And sadly this is the state of marriage promoted by the Feminine Imperative today. Egalitarianism doesn’t promote complementary cooperation, it promotes an adversarial state of competition between husband and wife.

1,263 comments

  1. Trad-Cons will fight me on this one, but the responsibilities of marriage and parenting will necessarily limit a man from opportunities he would otherwise have were he single.

    Trad-Cons are concerned only with rationalizing their own life choices and sacrificed possibilities, and trying like hell to preserve a past they’re stuck in that no longer exists. It has long since been supplanted by orders for men and privileges for women in a single mommy support service rivaled only by welfare.

    The rest of us in the manosphere are concerned about the results the individual (ourselves or others, depending on the situation) will see in their own lives. Seeing as most guys arrive in this community as a product of those results being poor (often guided by a Blue Pill of Trad-Con design), it’s a wonder Trad-Cons have any traction at all.


  2. “Marriages that begin between 20-24 are almost 39% more likely to end in divorce. A lot of this, I speculate, is due to women feeling like they need to make up for missing out. The idealism of young Blue Pill men marrying early has one big obstacle and that’s the influence of Hypergamy on their wives. In Preventive Medicine I made the case that no matter the woman’s choices she makes or has made for her in life, it will not negate Hypergamy’s influence on her. Yes, that influence can be mitigated culturally (laughable in western societies) or personally, but it doesn’t remove the evolved influence. By the time that 20 year old mother and wife is 30, she’s had ten years to develop the resentment of her choice by living vicariously through her single girlfriends’ experiences. The context may change, but Hypergamy doesn’t.”

    Care

  3. I cannot recommend marriage for any young man today, especially those living in the U.S., Canada and Europe.

    The level of attitude, ingratitude and all-out disdain exhibited among modern Western women today cannot be overstated.

    The value proposition of marriage itself, and all incentives for it, have been swept away.
    Even women have gradually given up entirely trying to persuade against, or sugar-coat what is happening, because there is so much human wreckage strewn about for all men to see.

    A young man age 19 (or ANY age for that matter) would be wise to simply take inventory of the intersexual relations with in his own proximity. Just take a look at his own father and grandfathers, uncles, brothers, friends and colleagues and also any nephews he has. It’s not even those men in his life who are divorced, separated from their children, going to jail or hopelessly paying off unaudited child support and lifetime alimony amounts.
    No, he merely needs to look at all of the men who are still married, most of whom are completely fucking sexless and miserable.

    In my opinion, the Mgtows get more right than they get wrong.
    You could literally be Brad Fucking Pitt or even Johnny Depp or a talented master like Robin Williams and it would matter not. You will be zeroed out.

    Three of my brothers got divorced and lost everything.
    Most of my male colleagues whom I work with are divorced, separated from their children and paying for it.

    I do subscribe to the notion that human males really have been cordoned off into two different corrals. Those that breed and those that go to the fucking slaughterhouse.

    That said, Ifind it remarkable the resiliency of men, and of husbands and fathers who still manage to find satisfaction and pride in who they are, not just what they do, even when they cannot see their own children. In too many instances than anyone would care to admit, these men are often bringing the only genuine light, happiness, security and joy their children will ever know.

  4. It’s taking a lot longer even for men to peak now. I know my family priest who comes from a family of generations who are all doing the same thing. They start from childhood and are quite ready to do their trade by their late teens. Those who are still in the profession (they earn enough by being in the city and going out of town now and then) just study college because it’s the standard thing to at least be college educated.

    These guys all marry early to girls of similar backgrounds. My priest is 65 or 70 and his grandsons and granddaughters are old enough to get married now.

    2 generations ago, my grandad found it enough to pass high school and do a 2 year diploma and you could get a job and run a family with that. People in more traditional family professions started earlier (ok, if that sounds like child labour, that’s how it was – a lot of musical prodigies were supporting their families as kids). So you kind of peaked a lot earlier, married sooner, had your kids earlier. That means you could marry by 19-25 as a man, with nearly 3 quarters of a decade of working at 25. Your 40s were a good 2 decades away. Your kids would be grown up while you still had a decade or more before retirement. Education was cheap. In my country, I remember that the total cost of becoming a doctor would be worth may be $1000 in USD. School was cheap.

    The biggest irony is that education becomes ever more ridiculously costlier while knowledge becomes ever more abundant. Every book I read in 15 years of school is now out there in one click, and in my country private tuition for kids and online training for adults is a huge and growing industry, covering everything you would do up to a masters degree minus the internship and the degree certificate and maybe the hands on part.

    Contrast this to the corporate world – where you need 4 damn years of undergraduate college, maybe a masters on top of that, or a ph.d in some fields like data sciences, and then it might take an MBA and then a few more years of crazy, crazy grind (like Amazon) before you’re even ok to consider settling down and thinking of starting a family.

    So that’s maybe 17+4+2+2+5 = 30 at least and easily more than that. Back then, when you left the office at the end of the day, that was the end of work. I know Germans still like to work like that, but definitely that doesn’t apply to the Japanese or empire builders. These days tech means work and stress are everywhere, all the time. The days of working till retirement are kind of over, you’ve got high turnover workforces of mostly young guys who’re paid cheap and can last for a few years (even that’s a lot now) — some of those guys have heart issues in their 30s even. And then if you need to go up the ladder, you need those MBAs and the like, so it might take till 35 now. Your 40s are next door now.

    And given the cost of medical care in America, you spend your gray years with an astonishing array of physical and mental illnesses.

    And then we add women to the equation — similar story. Biologically we weren’t meant to live long, unhealthy lives.

    Rollo, costs of living and brutal work regimes are affecting the dynamics of marriage and relationships in many ways. Even old school marriages are at risk as dads are milked till they are disposable and can’t spend time for their families.

  5. ” A young man age 19 (or ANY age for that matter) would be wise to simply take inventory of the intersexual relations with in his own proximity. Just take a look at his own father and grandfathers, uncles, brothers, friends and colleagues and also any nephews he has. It’s not even those men in his life who are divorced, separated from their children, going to jail or hopelessly paying off unaudited child support and lifetime alimony amounts.
    No, he merely needs to look at all of the men who are still married, most of whom are completely fucking sexless and miserable.”

    That’s deep right there.

    Question for those commenters over 35 or so, is this what you see when you look at your dad and uncles and grandfathers?

    I’m serious and curious.

    Lots of things have changed in the last generation or so, but I want some other opinions.

  6. Sri

    You hit partially on some of what I was getting at.

    My family has been here in the U.S. for 10 generations ( my kids are the 10th…11 coming up ) and my generation was the first to have an availability and funds to attend college. Yet people before us knew how to thrive without corporate jobs and high salaries, and dead bedrooms were rare as families had double digits of children.

    There wasn’t time for bullshitting around as you had to grow up, and ” man up ” in every sense of the word. By 19, you were practically as much of a man as a 40 year old.

    Something has changed beside women’s movement/feminism/FI. Something with males. It’s more complicated than we seem to think.

  7. @Blaximus

    “Question for those commenters over 35 or so, is this what you see when you look at your dad and uncles and grandfathers?

    I’m serious and curious.

    Lots of things have changed in the last generation or so, but I want some other opinions.

    My comments do not reflect any of the OP themes. Indeed I know the dark times are upon us, but I have a 26 year old daughter and 23 year old son. And I live in Unicornland.

    I never knew a grandfather, and barely knew any uncles (knew of them, but didn’t really have any guidance from them.)

    I asked my mother this past year what she thinks is the ratio of married couples that stayed married. She said: 90%. Which is my exact experience in my life, my community, and my clubs.

    And I just don’t see sexual desperation among these people. But they may have great poker faces.

    But we are talking highly performing Mid-West types of UMC peoples. (One of our neighbors moved to California about ten years ago. They had four children and were originally from Chicago. The guy was disgusted that out of twenty neighbors, they were the only ones that were long term married. And when they walking into parties, the usual question about their own for kids was ” Which ones are yours?”

    Apex outliers.

    My daughter is going to be proposed to in two weeks. I’d like her to start sooner rather that later having children.

    My son is going out with a HB7 (my judge) with the most sublime personality, form, fit and figure.She’s a So-Cal raised girl in pre-med, used to study art. Most certainly going to go to med school in Cali. I don’t forsee a LTR or One-itis situ. I foresee hes got time. I’ll correct him if he gets out of line. I don’t see anything wrong with my son getting with a valuable girl at 27 and marrying if his career is on track at 29 with a girl four years younger. I think waiting till 35 limits the market for the good 23 to 25 year olds in my community that is marriage prone. For the children.

  8. Blaximus
    February 2, 2018 at 7:51 pm

    Something has changed beside women’s movement/feminism/FI. Something with males.

    ====

    Less death generally. So a man is less likely to take the true measure of the world. But that makes each death more significant.

    Women with one child tend to overprotect that child. Two is a bit better. Three or four is probably the minimum for significantly reduced sMothering.

  9. @blax

    “Something has changed beside women’s movement/feminism/FI. Something with males. It’s more complicated than we seem to think.”

    Its pretty simple. Feminism/FI has lead to men checking out of society on a mass scale (the 80%) and the rise of the Incel economy is here to satisfy said men. The other guys (the top 20%) are living in jerkboy’s paradise.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/12/04/the-sexodus-part-1-the-men-giving-up-on-women-and-checking-out-of-society/

    http://thefaceberg.com/incel-economy/

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/12/15/living-in-a-jerkboys-paradise/

  10. Rank meat’s not worth full price, living in a Jerk-boy’s Paradise.

    My RealGirl never gets lice, living in a Jerk-boy’s Paradise.

  11. The stakes are high for men, particularly if they aren’t Red Pill aware, but women too must understand her own sacrifices; I think this is the most difficult thing. Women’s solipsism, Hypergamous nature and a social order that ‘fempowers’ them to believe not only can they “have it all” but are entitled to it all makes this the bridge too far for young marriage.

    There’s the rub, right there. No matter what she’s like when you marry her, she’s going to change, and all the forces acting on her (except you, yourself) are pushing her away from you. Not every woman will go bad, but I expect most of them will.

    I suspect marrying a virgin at 19 is the path to the happiest marriage if your marriage survives at all. At least she’s here during her hot years when you’re broke – it would suck to “prepare for marriage”, as the tradcons see it, then marry in your late 20s or early 30s, only to have you newly ex take all your “preparations” with her when she leaves.

  12. @ j

    Okay, I agree. But why are males not fighting for their manhood? It’s not in a majority of men’s natures to just fold up and roll over ( see every war ever ), so there’s gotta be more of an explanation. As I’ve said many times, a kitten will fight to defend itself.

    Is it the anti male influence from such early ages? What’s driving men to abandon rebellion and fighting for what their testosterone is supposed to be driving them towards?

    I’m having a hard time understanding the ‘ why ‘. I get what’s happening, I just can’t logic it.

  13. @Blaximus, masculinity IS the ultimate muscle. But muscles cannot grow without growing pains and challenges. The problem I see is pleasure addiction on the wasters and work addiction to burnout on the other. At least in a war, you could die and put an end to your misery, but the corporate grind is a different story.

    There’s a saying, “You know how strong you can get only when being strong is the only choice you have.” That pretty much sums up old school. Strength is a choice now, and most people make it only after life’s kicked them a few times in the ass. Necessity is the mother of invention, and it takes a wise one to be their best by conscious choice and vision.

    Speaking of the pleasure addicts, just ask a lot of ’em what their goals are. They might not even have a goal or a sense of style for basic stuff like making your own bed or laundry. I see girls ambitious in comparison (it is a fact that women have a lot more needs as such, but still). Yes, testosterone is decreasing and sperm motility is at an all time low. Modern females tend to be dictatorial and micromanaging, having been raised to be dominant from childhood, while boys are dumbed down and shamed to serve the FI and lack role models.

    Tunnel vision is necessary for getting into the zone, but this same feature of the male mind can be it’s own biggest weakness when pushed to extremes.

    “Yet people before us knew how to thrive without corporate jobs and high salaries, and dead bedrooms were rare as families had double digits of children.”

    The world has enough for everyone’s need, but not greed. I’m not sure what’s the whole cost and health benefit is to be knee deep in debt and then work your ass off paying it back. You could be a lot richer if you started investing from childhood.

    Actually, this whole idea where you need to get even the groceries on debt and live paycheck to paycheck means your country is actually poor, really poor, not rich. There are parts of the world where if you don’t have the money to buy basic stuff, you’re actually dirt poor. Debt = humiliation in those places. Easy credit keeps covering that up for a while, but 97% of all money in the economy is debt. You’ll be stunned if you realize in simple language how money, banks and debt work.

    Divorce tends to work like communism does — wealth gets split and everyone’s poorer as a result. That’s yet another side effect of it. It’s making the whole country poor.

    The only thing I’ve ever seen my folks take a loan for was for our house. The EMI was well within our means, and we used prepayments to shorten the tenure and save a huge chunk of money (almost 40% what we might have paid on the original plan, that’s huge).

    And speaking of dead bedrooms I know a lot of couples in an around who look good in the photos these days, but they’re deeply unhappy on the inside. Most are in it because divorce is not an option. And then when you’re old, you’ve got the body to worry about.

  14. Rollo, I get the impression you are almost taunting me to respond to this (as my positions have been made clear in the past). Let me offer this simple response at first: Context matters.

    Context makes all the difference concerning marriage.

    Early marriage in a good environment? Good idea.

    Early marriage in an unhealthy environment? Awful, terrible -just the worst- idea.

    The problem is that most environments these days are unhealthy. Unless you are connected to and part of a traditionalist community, early marriage is no better than late marriage. Marriage in that context is simply a dangerous, risky thing to do. And I apply that to not simply this life but to the next as well (marrying a wicked woman is surefire proven way of a man being dragged down to hell).

    Anyone familiar with me knows I am very much pro-Marriage. And yet, at the same time, I advise against it for nearly all men. And for good reason- it is too much of a risk to a man’s health, finances, sanity, and most importantly, soul.

  15. Blaximus,

    The people who would normally lead an actual fight (against foreign invaders, say) are the ones living in jerkboy paradise. They have no reason to want anything to change.

  16. We used to have this concept of the 3 big sins – wine, women and wealth, but what it means has flown over a lot of people’s heads

    The blue pilled generation simply checks out of society and goes to addictions (wine) if there’s no incentive in the form of women, while people on the other end are working themselves to death (and divorce) for wealth that’s actually beyond their capacity to enjoy in peace.

    There’s a certain amount of evolutionary pain (outside your comfort zone) that you need to go through if you need to burn off your bad karma and evolve into a better version of yourself. You don’t do that, it will come out through drugs, sexual issues, mental problems and physical sickness and you’ll be depressed all the time. Pleasure addiction DOES NOT make you fulfilled on the inside.

    Too much pain also causes the same issues, you burn out and burned out people end up in the same place — you don’t evolve. If your physical, mental, emotional and spiritual energies are low, you’ll be miserable inside, it doesn’t matter even if you’re Jeff Bezos.

    Evolution was what was considered by old school spirituality to be the foundation of a healthy life. Healthy living, not pleasurable living or endless pain was what it wanted. Now religion was created for that role, but most religions are just cults that need to stop you from evolving to keep you controlled for other agendas, so they aren’t healthy.

  17. “…And for good reason- it is too much of a risk to a man’s health, finances, sanity, and most importantly, soul…”

    So commandment – Thou shall make your evolution always as the point of origin and incentive, never a woman, or the world that treats you as toilet paper.

    If you do it right, you will become a sun, not a moon (that needs light). Counter intuitively, this will get you more than what you expected. And you will end up giving more to society and being more fulfilled than what you thought. I know that ideal sounds unrealistic, but a step a day, a bit further, keep doing and doing and one day it’s done…. (feels good just to say it).

    Masculine idealism, in the right place, is our biggest strength. Our idealism at the mercy of another that has no interest in our evolution and being blind to it, is a man’s biggest weakness.

  18. @Blaximus

    Question for those commenters over 35 or so, is this what you see when you look at your dad and uncles and grandfathers?

    Grandfathers? No. They both died before it got bad. Father? Eh, she divorced him because he was abusive. I witnessed it. She was justified. Of course the fact that she soon turned abusive on me showed she wasn’t exactly a catch herself so who knows? Maybe she provoked him a lot. Uncles? Ohhhh yeah especially the ones that married my blood aunts were miiiiiiserable. The women on my mom’s side were horrible, henpecking, bitchy, conniving cunts the lot of them.

    On my dad’s side his brother has apparently started to find his marriage getting rocky as the solid HB9 he married in his 20s is *not* happy he didn’t make partner at his firm and got pushed out. My stepmother has hollowed my father out apparently. He’s more or less begged to be back in my life, but denies all wrong doing that I personally witnessed so I’m letting him drown in his misery.

    As for how men wind up giving up masculinity, my single (from about the time I was 7) mother fucked both of her children up. Her skill at picking abusive men was passed on to my sister; sister’s prize winner of an ex has fucked around on her with one of the high school students he was teaching, abused her multiple times, and put a stolen gun in her face. Meanwhile mother’s abuse of me combined with dragging me to church with a heavy focus on the lessons of guilt and subservience utterly gutted my self-worth as a human being, never mind my masculinity as a man. I had no male example even if she hadn’t obliterated my psyche; the only men she would bring around were weak betas because male power of any kind terrifies her. The beta she’s married to now is fucking pathetic and bobs his head obediently when she laughs about it in front of him. Turns my stomach.

    The first thing a single mom does when faced with raising a boy is emasculate him because she can’t keep him under control the way a father can. Some feed them a diet of veganism and feminism, others (like mine) start the beatings and psychological warfare early and often. They do it as a survival mechanism. They have no way to shape or control male power, so they just aim consciously or subconsciously to destroy it completely without thought to consequences for the man who’ll have to live with her choices. It’s like removing a wolf pup’s teeth and claws while planning to release it to the wild because hey, they’d be dangerous to you while you’ve got it in captivity.

    Honestly when I look at my (fairly common) story of being raised by a single mom, I have to ask you: how could I not turn out that way?

  19. Sun’s got the info for ya Blax… why you ask the question is confusing… haven’t you been paying attention? mgtow sound familiar to you?

    [[Is it the anti male influence from such early ages?]] ya that and more…

    [[What’s driving men to abandon rebellion and fighting for what their testosterone is supposed to be driving them towards?]]

    I’m thinking the distilled information is this: women/the feminine/western culture has blamed, shamed and abandoned men, fathers, husbands, brothers, sons… with the full backing of the federal, state and county gov’t for the past 60+ years – Men have been abandoned by ‘their’ women; their moms, sisters, wives, daughters… and that’s what really hurts. But on top of that men’s gov’t, churches, schools, employment, media… all of it… masculinity is basically illegal now – and men/boys are reacting this new normal by taking their testosterone and doing whatever in the hell they want with it. No more fighting for what you might recognize as what their testosterone is supposed to be driving them towards – but instead fighting for whatever they want to drive towards. I think your’e realizing the effects of MGTOW.

  20. @Rollo:
    very interesting post.

    I myself married close to your age (a bit younger), but as a virgin to a virgin (got my N=2 only recently, posted on the FRs). I used to be very religious and this was, as you wrote, the “legitimate” avenue to sex. I also loved her and we’d been together for a few years (without sex, because religion; and there were times it was me definitely me stopping it, but I was definitely mostly blue pill then). I still love her, but I am very thankful for the RP awareness and a few weeks after, I don’t at all regret getting a FWB.

    @Blax: I’ll respond to the parent / grandparent thing later.

  21. men are idealistic but also needy with less opportunities nowadays, at least in Western countries.

    Noone develops a dominant frame being needy. So their marriage is often doomed from the start.

  22. @Blax

    But why are males not fighting for their manhood?…Is it the anti male influence from such early ages?

    Yes. Where you had all these masculine men teaching you skills and pumping you up, guys nowadays are aren’t taught how to be men and instead are told by teachers, the media, and society at large how pathetic and corrupt and evil they are.

    Furthermore, those masculine men from the past would take young guys out on physically demanding, dangerous, and exhilarating adventures that kept them healthy and gave them a sense of power, of agency, and success. The world was theirs.

    Instead, guys nowadays are stuck at home, cut off from the few masculine men still around, watching TV shows and video games filled with even more anti-male propaganda.

    Hard to come up with a better means of indoctrinating men into being slothful, weak, passive soyboys than the system we have now.

    What’s driving men to abandon rebellion and fighting for what their testosterone is supposed to be driving them towards?

    That’s just it — guys now have much lower T than you did back then, and even what you have now. You talk all the time about all the crazy shit you did being due to being jumped up testosterone…if you didn’t have that, you wouldn’t have done that. You’d be listless. You wouldn’t have had that extreme sex drive that had you out with girls all the time.

    And its not just T…its thyroid, soy issues, food allergies…there are all sorts of health issues popping up.

    I’m having a hard time understanding the ‘ why ‘. I get what’s happening, I just can’t logic it.

    Yeah, because your experiences were so different.

    Its like a spoiled teen trying to understand the life of hunter gatherers.

    “uuuggh. Why do they spent so much time in those icky woods? They should just go to the grocery store!”

    This experiment on dogs explains a lot however:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness

    The dogs in Groups 1 and 2 quickly learned this task and escaped the shock. Most of the Group 3 dogs – which had previously learned that nothing they did had any effect on shocks – simply lay down passively and whined when they were shocked.

    The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.

    The success breeds success, failure breeds more failure.

    Its a hard cycle to break on the lower end.

  23. “tsotha
    February 2, 2018 at 9:27 pm
    Blaximus,

    The people who would normally lead an actual fight (against foreign invaders, say) are the ones living in jerkboy paradise. They have no reason to want anything to change.”

    Women can do what they want but it is the laws on the books that compel men to comply and blunt the dread that men can have on women.

    The West has weaponized the law. All the grandstanding about rule of law and equal enforcement still boils down to who makes the law and how is it harmful.
    The West also have profiteering lawyers and judiciaries. The Laws were lobbied and put in place so that handful of ubermensch in the legal world can grab windfalls.
    All the judges and juries with such super solipsism and straight face pass the “judgement”.

    The jerkboys can’t bother and all that the OMGs have to say on this forum is grow up young man. Neither bother about pushing back the laws.
    Men may grow up but that will not reverse all the laws on the books which are so unjust.

    On the other end those men who are on legal crusade are more likely to be middle-aged fathers of daughters or the sex starved beta men. All the time driving the narrative or tinkering with the law.

    Stop the lawyers making political decisions (while in DA’s office) and then running for Mayor or Governor or President. Stop them from taking cut from divorce settlements or other corporate settlements.
    Stop the European lobbyists and lawmakers from allowing unrestricted immigration and they also stifle freedom of speech against unrestricted immigration.

    I have to wonder if “conflict of interest” is even a phrase in dictionaries of these people.
    What these people are doing is like hacking a system which has “rule of law”.
    The West would implode from their profiteering activities.

    Right the laws on the books, limit the entitlements, equilibrium would follow.

    “Unless you are connected to and part of a traditionalist community, early marriage is no better than late marriage”

    @donalgraeme. Yeah right, what is a traditionalist community going to do against the law of the land. In the West wherever there is rule of law, no community has the right of enforcement.

  24. Personally, I do not think West can reign its profiteers hiding behind the charade of rule of law. The greed is irresistible.
    Too much energy wasted on arguments in the court of law and court of public opinion instead of true freedom and innovation.
    They will implode the West with hair slitting interpretation of the law and also other countries who aspire to be like West.

    Get a good lawyer on retainer, be on good terms with mafioso of your neighborhood and enjoy the decline.

  25. With the sale of flamethrowers, Elon Musk started garage sale of his brand value.
    Never believed he was a blue pill though he advocated blue pill, he has entered charlatan territory.

    If he cannot turn around his ship then he may double down on blue pill support to gets sympathy and support from juries that would help him in his forthcoming bankruptcy and legal issues.
    His flagship endeavors are getting nowhere.

  26. Part of the problem is K-12 public schools are much more chick-driven than they used to be. My kids’ K-4th grade elementary school did not have a single male employee. Their intermediate school had a handful of male teachers, but far more female teachers. Whereas my elementary schools had male principals and at least a few male teachers starting around 3rd grade or so.

    It’s totally chick-driven in terms of the parents too. Where I live (boring, conservative suburbs in the Midwest), the PTOs have all-female officers and about 99% female attendance at PTO meetings. Sure, no guy in his right mind gives a fuck about running the PTO bake sale, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s 100% mothers who influence the cultures of the schools in this way. The guys around here typically volunteers by coaching sports, but even in this arena they are still dancing to the women’s tune. So many guys are needed to coach sports because the mommies want to organize little Madison’s and little Aiden’s lives to the Nth degree.

    Even on Facebook, whenever our schools have a controversy arise worthy of having an online food fight (and we’ve had some real doozies here), it’s mostly the chicks dominating the online conversation and they band together whenever the guys insert common sense, real world observations into the mix. I was personal non grata for a while because I did this and would not back down when confronted.

    So, you multiply this by however many years, and little Madison and Aiden grow up thinking mommies and women are the ones who run the show because, well, that’s pretty much what they grew up seeing. And this helps to put the current generation of young men where they are now, which is with two strikes against them in the sexual marketplace. I am grateful my son (16) has no interest in getting married at this point and in following that whole script.

  27. “but what’s undeniable is that investing themselves in a one-mate strategy necessarily selects them out of experiences with women that would otherwise aid them in vetting a woman as a good long term prospect. ”

    With me being raised this has always been something to consider a bishop in the church of my youth died 2 days ago and i just found out. I became angry because if my flaws pouring out of me. In appears as if i am very much ego invested in something being the way i want it to be but not the way it is.

    I love and appreciate women but my anger is still within me. My dad knows this i really love my dad even my mom knows this. Yet i still have a sense of entitlement that reeks as a lack of appreciation.
    https://www.fundedjustice.com/81KAv0?ref=tw_977Hsa_ab_2QBUO5mXm9O2QBUO5mXm9O

    One of reason’s I’ve noticed myself get angry with death is how it forces you into reality for what it is. Sort and tragic with some time to pass on your genetic legacy if your able to and pursue that as an aspect of creation.

    Love and building a family unit. Appreciating this moment of madness. Been up all night again numbing myself passed the pain of losing someone who cared for me. Knowing again the finality of death. he was building a home for his family.

    So far Iv’e failed at learning not just from my mistake but how to vet a good mate.

  28. “More importantly, you need a woman who is playing on your team, not against you.”
    Rolo, this one goes against Briffault’s Law.
    Woman is always on her own team only. If she can derive benefit (real or just sense of security for her) from you, you are “team”. If she will have impression that benefit has diminished or she would be able to derive greater benefit elsewhere, you will see in no uncertain terms that there have never been any “team”.
    Only master pimp can go against Briffault’s Law by employing sophisticated psychological techniques to create imaginary benefits in woman’s head and only for short periods of time.
    Marriage and relationship can reasonable if you are in pairing where your personality naturally dominate that of woman’s. Your personality Dark Triad traits should be more pronounced that hers, more pronounced – better you are off.
    Everyone knows that women are falling for assholes.
    Fact that there are wide spectrum of personalities types and there are combinations, which naturally establishes one personality domination over another (Frame) and combinations which would newer be feasible in terms of male dominance, seems to be left out of discussion.
    An extreme case – no one can dominate dreaded BPD woman, except for full blown sociopath, because his personality makeup offers psychological advantage over BPD woman.

  29. A touch off-topic, but I have only just noticed an oft-used phrase, Rollo using it to refer to himself and a couple of others: “SHE can detonate the marriage at any time”. It’s all over the manosphere. Less discussed is that men, too, can pull the trigger. Why live in fear, trying to appease the one terrorising you with this prospect? As @Sri mentioned above, divorce is like communism as although each takes half (or one takes almost everything), and still both are poorer. Divorce is like nuclear, mutually assured destruction. Of course a woman will wave the D-word around if she knows her husband fears it. But what if he just laughs at her when she does? What if he says “go ahead, make my day”? What if he says “if you don’t start treating ME right, I’m gonna divorce you”. @Rugby, do me a favour and put up the clip from Turk 182 where Samuel L Jackon’s character says “you can’t kill me, I’m already dead!”. The worst that can happen is that she will pull the trigger sooner rather than later. Good, more time for you to recover, more time for her to suffer before she kicks the bucket. (YMMV.) But if she’s brandishing the D-word, you’re already fucked, only the formalities haven’t commenced.

    A bit more on topic, I found a recent post of Dalrock’s very thought-provoking. It had to do with the husband being the head/leader of the marriage. Being the leader is not all about privilege, it’s about the soul crushing, thankless burden of responsibility for another (and potentially others i.e. children). The marriage game has changed to the point where it’s all responsibility/accountability and no authority for the man. What man, in his right mind, at at any age, would volunteer for such a deal?

  30. “Something has changed beside women’s movement/feminism/FI. Something with males.

    This.

    Straight up fear has taken hold of males (note use of male not men). Not just with respect to marriage. It’s not the FI.

    Jeez look at this board, half a dozen (so far) never married guys shitting themselves.

    It is to lol.

    I’ll let some more panic induced diarrhea squish out before responding.

    Let theorists and KJ’s get it out. Heh

  31. Hank

    those masculine men from the past would take young guys out on physically demanding, dangerous, and exhilarating adventures that kept them healthy and gave them a sense of power, of agency, and success. The world was theirs.

    Straight up fantasy bullshit. lol

    in the 80’s we were all latchkey kids. We were alone. We made ourselves. Boomer parents where all about themselves.

    This kind of looking for excuses instead of looking within is what is holding males back. Fear.

    Same as it ever was.

  32. I recall, 2003-ish, being at dinner with a married mid-Boomer couple (both on the second). He and I were talking back and forth about some theological point and he was standing forth with great vigor. His wife spoke to him sharply and then said to my wife: “That’s my job: when he gets up on his pedestal I need to reach over and shake it.”

    A man does not marry a woman, he marries a commissar—but it was not so in the beginning we are assured.

    Viewing a marriage as a team event is very much old books; in the new book marriage is for assignment of accrued benefits.

  33. Blax

    What’s driving men to abandon rebellion and fighting for what their testosterone is supposed to be driving them towards?

    Fear. Fear emanating from faux economic abundance. Juuust enough comfort to dissuade anything that will bring momentary discomfort. Part of the fear is masked by delusion.

  34. SJB

    Viewing a marriage as a team event is very much old books

    Not the oldest books though… Look into “helpmeet”. Think about how that works in an evo/bio/psych sense.

  35. J

    Re this tweet

    Figure out who “they” are. It isn’t “women” or the FI.

  36. @SJB

    “Viewing a marriage as a team event is very much old books; in the new book marriage is for assignment of accrued benefits.”

    Is it though? Maybe you’re talking about the female part, but in my circles (and I’ve lived in different parts of the world) males still think in terms of making it work for their ‘partner’. They want to be with someone they can share their life with, support each other and be there for good and bad. So they want to remove or minimize the ‘bad’ that she feels. After years and years of investment and exercizing this Sisyphean task, they may moan about their wife/life partner and yet they will feel bad about hurting her in any way. Look at all those discussion threads with men trying to go through their divorce. I don’t know if it’s (just) pedestalization. Men are romantics and protectors. Women are too solipsistic for that. Team work arrangement (or any other for that matter) is just a blanket for the underlying evo-bio-psych of intersexual dynamics.

  37. “…..and all that the OMGs have to say on this forum is grow up young man.”

    Sentient: Straight up fantasy bullshit. lol

    in the 80’s we were all latchkey kids. We were alone. We made ourselves. Boomer parents where all about themselves.

    This kind of looking for excuses instead of looking within is what is holding males back. Fear.

    Same as it ever was.

    I’m distinctly proud of not being hovered over as a teenager. Autodidact and self-made man and all that.

    What some of these guys are missing is that there are men like you and Blaximus out there in real life as great role models. But boys are just too pussified to look to them as mentors. They have the keys to becoming masculine, they are just too scared shit-less to use them.

    There will be the unbelievers. Hank doesn’t believe a damn thing Blaximus tells him. He just whines. In 2016, YaReally didn’t want to believe a damn thing KFG said about his realities in propagating children going forward.

    Mentors are out there. You just have to take advantage of them and you have to interpret them. Because they often talk in the abstract.

    Hell, imagine Hank spending a week in the shadow of Blaximus, Sentient or Rollo. The first thing he would do would be to disbelieve their DPA and use his mouth too much, doubting. Instead of observing Masters at their Craft. And if Hank spent a week with me? I’d bore the shit out of him. Because my job is to make my life boring and have me in control, while in actuality my life is beautiful and orderly. With Security and Adventure for All.

    I never got so good with women (including very valuable MRP game) until I got with masculine males as role models. And I’ve found a lot and collaborate with them all the time. They are fucking out there. Hell I even have found sportsmen mentors that are 25 years younger than me. Go figure. (And speaking of the much, much maligned MBTI, I can’t tell you what having a couple other INTJ buddies that I resonate with and a couple other ENTP’s and a ENTJ has made in a huge difference. It has made all the difference in the world as a tool to collaborate. Hugely.)

    Get with real men and you have a straight path with a clear head to women you want. (How’s that for a non concrete, abstract thought. It starts with not being a pussy.)

    ‘Grow up Young Man’ is an abstract thought. We all know what is going on here and it is plain to see. There is plenty of concrete ways to turn the abstract into Action. And there are plenty of top 5 or 10% of men who are masculine out there to lead young men.

    At least as I currently type this I can see my son seems to make his girlfriend a great compliment to his life, not the focus of it. The same can be said for my daughter’s boyfriend. And she’s going to be a huge compliment to his life.

  38. My dad was explosively violent. Not an impressively big guy, nor impressively successful. He had a lot of stress and it came out in wicked bouts of temper, unmitigated fury. Died young.

    Talking about my father with my confirmation sponsor in my early 20’s. The sponsor is all-around highly successful, never knew my father. I lucked out he extended a helping hand when I needed it.

    Describing my father to him, I lamented he wasn’t as successful and struggled with figuring life out personally, financially, emotionally.

    Sponsor sternly: You know…your father was trying his best.

    Friends, that was the MOST SHAME-INDUCING one sentence lecture I’ve ever had and ever will. I thought I knew my father…though I described him only as a child would.

    Oh God, what an ungrateful fuck l I was.

    Theretofore, I’ve seen my father as a man of serious intentions and consequence.

    I’m a better man, and my children too, knowing such.

    “Where you had all these masculine men teaching you skills and pumping you up, guys nowadays are aren’t taught how to be men”

    You guys lamenting the past and present and future are fags and need to shut the fuck up.

  39. SJB

    Eating a pile of bacon and eggs, but I gotta chime in real quick.

    I don’t allow women to speak to me in the manner you described without repercussions, and I absolutely won’t have a wife talking that kind of shit ( joking aside of course ), particularly in front of others.

    Stuff like that is not the fault of the woman, it’s the tolerance of the man and capitulation is not really what she’s looking for.

    But hell yeah, she’ll take it if you volunteer it.

  40. @IRL: I do understand what you are saying—men desire intimate female companionship (companion = one with whom you share bread). Contemporary marriage seems a very poor avenue to exercise that desire as social (and legal) norms no longer prohibit intimate opposite sex companionship. What, then, is the point of marriage other than assignment of pension survivor benefits (a thing that will go the way of the dodo)?

  41. @Blaximus: But hell yeah, she’ll take it if you volunteer it.

    There it is – the ratchet turns only toward the female — until the oil needs to be changed that is.

    Bacon & eggs is a good plan.

  42. @Blaximus

    I hypothesize human beings in general have an innate ability to understand the Law of Diminishing Returns. I think Men have a dulled sense of the law due to our intrinsic Idealism driven nature but none the lesss we posess an aute cost-benefit gauge even to the point of evaluating something as primal as Sex and mating strategy.

    “The juice isnt worth the squeeze” is the simplest way to phrase it. Yes there are many brainwashing tactics and biology manipulating substances causing an imbalance in the force and the typical male motto is “never surrender” until it turns into “what are we fighting for?” Not even someone who lives purely for challenge undertakes ordeals that provide him with the mana of satisfaction and accomplishment. There is burden of performance and then there is simply … grinding pointed self into nothing for nothing. The western world and paticularly western women are proving relatively fruitless( in a sexual fulfillment and companionship capacity) in comparison to the investment in them as individuals or a whole. That whould drain any semi-concious man of desire to persist, change or revel despite his best efforts. Look at Dan Bilzrean’s growing disenfranchisement with “Jerkboy Paradise”.

    I remember being 12 yrs old and loosing my virginity to a 13 yr old chick. I was running a train on her with my 14 yo bestfreind while my grandparents were at work, her grandmother was at work. 14 yo girl 2 notches in 20 min. Fastfoward im 18 yrs old i meet the chick agian randomly at my uncles freinds house. Once agian theres a gangbang. 5 guys in 2 hours. At 19 she had in my 2h20 min of exposure to her matched my n-count. It took me 6 yrs, alot of luck, and alot of other personal investments coupled with chad genetics to get 7 lays.
    Fast foward to my 21st birthday i go to a party, alot of fellow military members are there. I bang a 22 yo millitary chick. Same night she fucks 8 other guys in a 3hr timeframe at this party.

    I can go on about sexyal experiences with all kinds of different women and girls from age, to race, to appearance and socio economic status but the point is that theres really no juice left to squeeze in most of the fruit out here. We can say female notch-count and virginity doesnt matter all we want but our core being as men tells us thats a fallacy.
    Theres something to being the 1st guy. It might not be everyhing but its something. When you see a chick execute her sexual strategy no holds or holes barred, its cringing to say the least. Being able to rack up dicks at a blistering pace and then fade in and out of obscurity at will is not a natural or healthy phenomena. It also makes you realize being the next or last guy is always a concession.

    I say all this to say that escapeism in men is on the incline because it seems like a higher return on investment in comparison to playing a rigged game with high buy ins and shit prizes.

  43. Question for those commenters over 35 or so, is this what you see when you look at your dad and uncles and grandfathers?

    From what I can tell it got worse. My Father probably doesn’t even know, what an enthusiastic woman in bed looks like, but he said he would never have accepted sexlessness. With my brothers-in-law or my married friends it seems to be the norm.

    I personally have never seen a marriage where I wanted to be the husband.

    And that’s a terrible thing. Because working so “the kids can have it better” is a damn good purpose and motivator.

  44. SJB

    Stuff like that is not the fault of the woman, it’s the tolerance of the man and capitulation is not really what she’s looking for.

    See how Adam might have handled it?

  45. As a young green eyed, tanned super head turning plate I had ages ago once opined to me when telling me that a friend of hers askednif she and I were getting serious, ” you can’t turn a how into a housewife “. We both knew who she was. No harm, no foul.

    My experience is that roughly 20%, give or take, of chicks I’ve dealt with sexually were actual raging hoes. Popular wisdom is trying to dictate that this number is somehow astronomically higher these days, but I’m not 100% sold on that. I think the ratio is fairly static. The more you bang, the higher the number of hoes you will run across.

    It is better to be a Chick’s first, proving you have your mental shit together and some understanding of what’s going on in her noggin. But just being ” first ” is a guarantee of nothing at the end of the day, if you aren’t able to convey a dominant demeanor and high masculinity that’s not common.

    Also, a majority of women have the potential to be outright hoes. Most won’t ever gangbang though. Lol. God bless they ones that will.

    It’s easy to walk past how’s. On to the next one, no rush or pressure. Hundred million chicks in the good old USA. Don’t buffer that they’re mostly worn out, thousand n count scum buckets.

  46. @Blax: I don’t want to comment on my parents.

    Grandparents: father side, grandfather died very young, grandmother never remarried, old style widow.
    Mother side, grandfather could handle grandmother reasonably well I think.

    Uncles: mostly messy. Younger one I think is miserable in the marriage. Another one is fairly alpha but married really young and remains married but is very openly against marriage, my guess is he bangs the wife frequently but would rather not put up with all the shit testing.
    Couple of older ones got out of first marriage, one divorced and remarried much later, seems to handle it decently well; one widowed seems to have some BP tendencies despite some alpha behaviors, so he gets some mini-LTRs or whatever instead of just spinning plates which is what he probably should do (he is quite fit for his age so I’m fairly certain he could pull it off, if he was more RP).

  47. @Blax: LOL at the gangbang. What is the appeal though (for you)? I can see the appeal of, say, a MFF threesome, but outright gangbang doesn’t seem that interesting.

  48. God’s most cherished creation… Man.

    When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

    8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”

    10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”

    11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”

    12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

    13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

    The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

    14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,

    “Cursed are you above all livestock
    and all wild animals!
    You will crawl on your belly
    and you will eat dust
    all the days of your life.
    15 And I will put enmity
    between you and the woman,
    and between your offspring[a] and hers;
    he will crush[b] your head,
    and you will strike his heel.”

    16 To the woman he said,

    “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
    with painful labor you will give birth to children.
    Your desire will be for your husband,
    and he will rule over you.”

    17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

    “Cursed is the ground because of you;
    through painful toil you will eat food from it
    all the days of your life.
    18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
    and you will eat the plants of the field.
    19 By the sweat of your brow
    you will eat your food
    until you return to the ground,
    since from it you were taken;
    for dust you are
    and to dust you will return.”

    20 Adam[c] named his wife Eve,[d] because she would become the mother of all the living.

    21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

    So God flips the fuck out here in this story. Why?

    Because Adam had everything and in acting beta threw it all away… Because you listened to your wife

    Been enjoying your thistles? No?

    Stop. Acting. Beta.

    Give some thought to why this story is around.

  49. @Blaximus: The man in my story above let that ratchet click go as far as I know. He was, God rest his soul, a father and an uncle from an intact family as I remember. Why did he let it go? Don’t know. That model of intersexual behavior does not seem to have become less common.

  50. @Sentient: the man was correct: it was the Creator who decided man ought not to be alone. Stopping at the dog would have been fine. lol

  51. SJB

    Persistent denial of responsibility = beta.

    Imagine what your kids would look like if that was the case…

  52. IAS

    The few times I’ve been involved in a gangbang, it technically wasn’t a gang ( with one exception of a train ). More like threesomes. Only 2 mmf , and only one was requested. The other just happened because the chick made her intentions blatant and she made herself available.

    But in each instance it was in the woman’s frame. Not ideal, but that only become apparent after ejaculation. All mff trysts came at the woman’s suggestion. The last one was at her suggestion and she brought the lamb to slaughter. It was more like she and I teamed up on the chick.

    The appeal? Honestly sitting alone there’s not a lot of boner producing appeal in just the thought. When in a room with chicks dtf, things start to look a little different. Unless you’re with a chick that made out of pliable rubber, it’s not possible to get a blowjob and suck titties simultaneously any other way, nor judge tightness/wetness between chicks in real time.

    It’s a cool kinda memory, but not a crucially necessary one. Imo those things are more about unbridled lust than singular desire. They coulda achieved release with a double ended dildo at the end of the day. Lol. In comparison, I prefer one on one.

  53. IAS

    My parents are coming up on their 58th anniversary this summer ( God willing…see what you started sentient?? ). My grandparents, paternal grandparents stayed happily together until the end, and passed within months of each other in their 90’s. My maternal grandmother threw my grandfather out of the home due to his being a raging alcoholic. They’d reconcile and break up consistently.

    My great grandfather ( paternal ) lost his first wife and remarried and sired an even bigger family. He outlived the second wife as well and remained solo until death. Great aunts and uncles didn’t believe in divorce, but circumstances were much different back then.

    Uncles, lol. My mom has 7 brothers, 6 of them were master players, they were the first in our family to get divorced and/or separated ( not all went through courts, they just left and weren’t legally pursued by the wives. ). My dad’s brothers all died young with one exception. No divorce.

    I was partial to my dad, grandfather and great grandfather and great uncles growing up, but my player uncles had some influence on me as well. My dad cautioned me many times to watch how my player uncles were going to wind up, and I did.

    I can’t say I’ve seen a lot of married misery. Even my uncles just left when they didn’t want to be traditionally married. What I see in my generation, and even more in the successive one, is a lack of understanding and confusion about what marriage even means, yet they ambled down the isle anyway. So far not all tragic but we’ll see how it plays. When I forgot who and what I was, I added to the divorce stats. No misery or divorce rape. No hate. Maybe some hard feelings.

    Lesson reinforced.

  54. “Women evolved to seek competency in men. Hypergamy cannot afford to bet all of a woman’s genetic legacy on a guy who has “potential” – they want the proven commodity. This is one reason women look for men older and taller than they are.”

    I read this differently – competency, like the Gangestad study “why muscularity is sexy” is not tallness (or muscles for that matter). But women go for men who show genetic raw physical dominance (over competence) when in the fertile window. Therefore, the dom/com hierarchy tips towards dominance (lobster) raher than competence, during estrus. In a degenerate society dominance takes precedent as the modus operandi in mate idealization (look at Elon’s divorces), though of course it’s not completely binary.

  55. Wisdom, this blogpost – and wonder if one has to be first hit by that train before seeing it.
    At 18, do we have the depth to even be able to decipher, much less absorb, these.

    “You go to war with the army you have . . .” (Rumsfeld).

    Seems at 18, we’re been loaded with blue pill heroics (but don’t know it); have a brain that isn’t optimally developed for eight years more (but don’t know it); have ample time to get solidly established (but don’t know it – so everything seems now-critical); have a biological drive (and know it) frustrated by conditioned ethics (which we haven’t yet figured are arbitrary). We have no real depth of experience (but don’t know it) by which to gauge now-experience. We don’t know what we don’t know. Armed with this we go in, “faking it ’till you making it.” “All the world’s a stage” and when you’re in the middle of that play, there you are.

    Experience described is dated; possibly very different for the now-18 https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/has-the-smartphone-destroyed-a-generation/534198/ (graphs of interest)

    One who seems to have ** done it right ** is that Alpha Buddah, Corey Worthington – and only because seems he wasn’t trying, and didn’t care. He just was being who he was.

  56. Alpha Buddha

    [Let this be a lesson to you; being a natural Alpha doesn’t insulate you from the extrinsic influences that would make you Beta or force you to capitulate to institutions based on a Beta mindset.]

  57. When you believe that marriage is the only legitimate context for sex and raising children, and you believe that young parenthood is best for baby and parents, there really is no other option than young marriage. If a nineteen year old son said he was getting married, I’d say, great! How can I help support your marriage.

    Something you consistently leave out is that marriage is not just about the two people that marry: it’s about the two people that marry and the two (or more) sets of parents attached to them. Marriage is a family business. And woe betide the parents who do not realize the importance of their investment in their children’s marriage and how it can affect them financially and emotionally.

    I have talked to enough parents of my contemporaries to understand how the grief affects them when their children are made miserable by divorce. It is in a parent’s best interest to ensure their child has a happy marriage not only for the satisfaction of seeing their child happy but for the protection of any family financial interests. Businesses, lines, lives can all be ruined by divorce.

    Better to have your children marry young while they still seek you for guidance and you, yourself, are young enough to be an actively involved grandparent, rather than being too tired and out of touch to be an important part of their lives. The marriage cannot exist in isolation but must be incubated as a “guided marriage” until the young couple are sufficiently independent.

    That said, trad-cons may have difficulty doing the guiding in modern times without some “red-pill” understanding, and red-pillers may have trouble succeeding if they are putting human gurus at the tops of their mountains. There is far too much worship of false idols these days, and a marriage that is not undertaken as a contract with God will be destined to fail no matter how well-intentioned all parties are. Trad-cons with a red-pill education? Now that sounds like a match made in heaven.

  58. @Sentient
    Fear. Fear emanating from faux economic abundance. Juuust enough comfort to dissuade anything that will bring momentary discomfort. Part of the fear is masked by delusion.

    This.

    Reminded me that Stanley and Danko said exactly the same thing in The Millionaire Next Door. Can’t be arsed to look for and quote the whole chapters, so just a quick note from Stanley’s blog:

    Those children who are the least productive in economic terms often receive the lion’s share of their parents’ capital. The results of this inequity of distribution are predictable. It further weakens the weakest child and strengthens the strongest child. Or as a millionaire told me:

    . . . children . . . . The ones who achieve do so by conquering obstacles . . . who were never denied their right to face some adversity. Others were in reality cheated. . . sheltered. . . [as a result] never really inoculated from fear, worry, and the feeling of dependency.

  59. But why are males not fighting for their manhood? It’s not in a majority of men’s natures to just fold up and roll over ( see every war ever ), so there’s gotta be more of an explanation.

    Most males aren’t fighting for their manhood for the same reason most males can be easily transformed into voluntary cannon fodder – they are blue-pilled betas who cannot resist social pressure and manipulation, and who simply don’t know any better. See every war ever.

  60. We will have to do better than just whine about the raw deal that marriage represents for men today. Marriage is a stage in life that, by original design, gives purpose and meaning individually and collectively. A revised or rebooted form of marriage has to fill that niche.

    Marriage is broken for men and therefore it’s broken for women, too. Men are suffering more acutely at the moment, but the effects on women are pretty clear. If you work in an office environment, you can see the depressed mess that is a single woman in her thirties. Even if she gets married in her mid-thirties and has kids a couple of years later, she never seems to fully launch as a wife. It’s like she goes right from go-go corporate climber party girl to boring prude. (It’s not solely because she’s married to a Beta guy). She skips past the vibrant, loving wife phase completely. She’s out of time for that. These late-stage brides never learn to cook hardly at all. They don’t embrace things like crafts or sewing. Instead of blossoming into nurturing and strong mothers, they are overbearing and paranoid, control freak moms. The FI believes that only backward, brainwashed women have classic wife or homemaker skills, but it’s funny how the few women that acquired those skills are happy…and it’s not at the expense of a job or “independence”!

    The “marriage years” are the longest phase in life so just opting out it is not a mass solution. What’s the “new” marriage?

    A place to start is for men to band together to straighten out the divorce laws so that no one has an easy incentive to hit the “D” button. The divorce laws on the books were an over-correction to men dumping their middle-aged wives in the ’50s and ’60s. The law profession seized on all the divorces, and it was in their best interest to skew the laws to what they are today. Men must push for a change. We’ve been so passive about it. Maybe we haven’t done anything because it seems weak, or we’re too whipped by our jobs. It doesn’t matter why.

    There’s gotta be more to the Red Pill than lifting and using night game. We gotta right the wrongs, and not because it’s our duty to someone else. Men have always bent the world to their will.

  61. Is it the anti male influence from such early ages? What’s driving men to abandon rebellion and fighting for what their testosterone is supposed to be driving them towards?

    Well, most have low testosterone to begin with. There are environmental issues at play that are lowering testosterone, which reduces that “male type energy and rebellion” across the board. Couple that with feminism, single motherhood, internet/smartphones/tech (the most substantial buffer ever made, really), feminization of education and culture and so on, and you get low motivation males across the board. Doubt this will change much soon, which creates a market advantage in lots of ways (sex, economics) for guys who are not low motivation, because there aren’t many of us.

    Men must push for a change. We’ve been so passive about it. Maybe we haven’t done anything because it seems weak, or we’re too whipped by our jobs. It doesn’t matter why.

    There’s gotta be more to the Red Pill than lifting and using night game. We gotta right the wrongs, and not because it’s our duty to someone else. Men have always bent the world to their will.

    Well, go and try, honestly. There *are* already groups doing this — the National Parents Organization (used to be Fathers & Families) lobbies for changes to divorce, alimony, child custody laws. So you can help them out and so on if that’s your thing.

    You should never expect there to be a movement among men to push for this of any size, though. It’s not because men are whipped by their jobs or that it seems weak, I think (although the latter point is a part of it). It’s primarily because men form coalitions with other men to compete with other coalitions of men. Men don’t form coalitions with other men to compete with women (which is who you are competing with, primarily, when you’re trying to change female-centric laws around divorce and related issues). Women, by contrast, *do* form sex-based coalitions to protect themselves from men (that’s the basis of the female “herd”), but men don’t do this — we form coalitions to compete with other coalitions of men (like sports, war, politics, etc.). Now you can try to organize this as one group of men against another, because de facto that’s what it is (many men will defend the current laws to their deaths), but then your coalition is smaller, and is easily characterized as the coalition of weak. complaining, whiners who would be better off fixing their own shit rather than bothering with this stuff, and so on. It’s basically stillborn, in other words.

    But, yeah, if you are into that you can do it — the groups already exist and are out there and working on these things. It will never be mainstream, however, among men.

  62. Gentlemen, i am so glad i never got sucked in and got married or had kids. Well, it would be nice to have a 20 yo daughter at this stage of my mid-life (51), but i have had total freedom for my whole adult life. No nagging wife or demanding, ungrateful kids. No continual financial or emotional demands. Any time i get into a “relationship” with a woman i just feel like my balls are in a vice. Really, it is too high a price to pay for sex unless as a man you can hold such solid frame that she can walk at any time and you don’t care. That’s really how it must be as i can gather.

    The constant shit tests are a bore, but with solid Red Pill frame we should just bat them away like the mosquitos that they are. This is what i have learned here. Frame is everything. Even knowing this i still allowed the Serpent (my most recent lover) to control the frame which led to the demise of our relationship. That we spent much of our time together at her place in the city (i lived 6 hours away) didn’t help. It’s much easier to hold frame in your own crib. But the lesson has well and truly been learned this time…i hope.

    Women have such a sense of entitlement these days that the juice, more often than not, is just not worth the squeeze. But i still hold a flickering hope that i may be proven wrong before i’m too old to give a fuck, ’cause i do miss having a naked, lithe younger female body in the bed next to me…

  63. Now it’s time to jump on the dirt bike and blast across the bush tracks to my mate’s place on this lovely Sunday morning. Life is good out here in the wilderness. Chins up, gentlemen!

  64. Limitless
    February 3, 2018 at 4:59 am

    Woman is always on her own team only.

    My experience is that if you can get a woman to bond with you and stay bonded she becomes part of your team. I will add that in my case it was not easy. After 40+ years (red pill since ’62) I’m just starting to get results.

    And she had one-itis almost from the start.;

    So why did I stay so long? Kids. And the kids were my choice.

  65. The first thing he would do would be to disbelieve their DPA and use his mouth too much, doubting. Instead of observing Masters at their Craft.

    The first rules and probably the hardest to teach novices is to “shut up and pay attention.”

    This dead old guy noticed it.

    “Silence is only frightening to people who are compulsively verbalizing.”
    — William S. Burroughs

    And quitcherbitchin. Society has actually enacted Game into law. “Enthusiastic consent.” ALRIGHT!

  66. @ M.Simon

    https://therationalmale.com/2016/01/18/a-teachable-moment/comment-page-3/#comment-136711

    (SJF
    January 20, 2016 at 10:42 am)

    ….Asking for someone to be a mentor never works. You are asking what you can take from them. You can’t do that……

    ….I made it easy on them when hanging out. I didn’t tell them my life story. They don’t have the time. I made it straight to the point, always, so they could deal with it fast. I asked easy questions at first. I didn’t just ask any question, I asked precise questions, which wouldn’t wear them down. Doing this helped them invest in me. Since I asked easy questions, they would think these will be easy to answer and they won’t require a high level of energy investment. Therefore the were more likely to help me in the long run. I didn’t just ask any fucking question. The main thing about having them as a mentor was just being around them. Questions are secondary. I made it a point to observe and stay around them. I did have the social intelligence and added value to make these mentors my friends. I didn’t ask too many questions at the wrong time and I was at the time a person they would want to hang out with.

    Furthermore, I never complained, never was negative and never sucked energy. I was fun, vibrant and positive. I smiled and laughed a lot.

    Whatever it took to get in close, I did it. No matter what it was. (I even went to one deer hunting celebratory get together with both mentors last Feb 7. On the way there I got word that my father passed away and that my mom was in a good place and didn’t need me that day. I proceeded to the party and it was one of the greatest get togethers I pretty much every had– and there was zero downside and infinite upside to proceeding to the party–a true Stoic win)…….

  67. shakaleonidas
    February 3, 2018 at 8:28 am

    Chimps do it. What the girl was doing was against your human bias for female selection.

    In any case for a LTR she MUST have one-itis for you.

  68. Nagging wife?

    Ungrateful kids?

    Whoa. I’ve seen wives do the nagging thing out in public.

    To anyone that’s actually been nagged, what do they say when nagging? What’s their beef?

    Stephan Molyneux disagrees with me on this, but I look at it like this – I have my kids from birth ( I actually helped… well, okay I watched… my youngest be born 18 years ago, and cut the cord and pointed to her and told wifey ” mine “..lol ) and no matter how many Maury shows I’ve seen, I can’t see how your kids can be ungrateful or a problem.

    The problem kids, and I’m talking really trouble(d), have weak or confused or shitty parents. Sometimes a combination of all 3.

    Molyneux believes that kids are just how they are regardless of parenting and that it’s genetic.

    I once did my godfatherly duty and took one of my godchildren into my home after she was removed by the state from the hellhole she was being raised in. I was leery as fuck, and skeptical, but I caught a break. I gave her something that she never had, rules, expectations and discipline. Whata-ya-know, the truant became an honor roll student the following year. # years later as she was entering her sophomore year of highschool, the state allowed her mom to take her back, and her fuckery resumed.

    I’m no parenting expert, and yeah, I was scared shitless when I first became a father at 24. All I knew how to do was what my parents, particularly my dad had done for me, and the examples that the ” elder ” generation had shown with massive families. I don’t see raising a child as a real burden, or a cramp in style and freedom. It’s a choice. A choice that a man had better damn well consider more than he’s ever considered anything in life.

    You can’t send them back.

    I don’t think it’s hard or difficult to parent. The kids have to do most of the heavy lifting and you just gotta get them ready for it.

    I told my youngest when she started highschool that I’m not wasting money to send a dummy to college ( yeah, I talk to her like that… lol ) and that she had to show me what she’s got academically, and I reminded her that her sister went to some of ” The Best ” schools and knocked it out the box.

    The certificates started rolling in – National Honor Society and National Society of High School Scholars and something else with ” national ” in the name. She did that. I raised her to do that.

    I had wonderful bacon and eggs this morning, and my daughter made them for me. A couple of years ago I told her that most girls can’t cook a damn thing, and I asked her was she just ” average ” lol. She works and goes to school and excels and cooks and cleans and washes and is very feminine with a little hard edge that she got from her mother, and she can make me laugh so hard I fart and have tears in my eyes.

    I only make suggestions . She trusts what I say because I haven’t steered her wrong from the day I brought her home from the hospital. I don’t feel in any way that any of this was hard or difficult, or that it impeded my life in any way.

    …. damn, that always happens when I start talking about my kids. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

    I’ll STFU now.

    lol.

  69. “A couple of years ago I told her that most girls can’t cook a damn thing, and I asked her was she just ” average ” lol. ”

    These hoes better learn or else…lol

  70. Blaximus
    February 3, 2018 at 9:26 am

    In a LTR with two they go off and shop together and don’t mind if you beg off.

    And being in a position to grab 4 Ds at once is a joy.

    But longer term it is an unstable relationship.

  71. I can do the damn cooking. Call me when the bot can walk a quarter mile, cross Main St. at rush hour, at 20 below, and pick up the brats.

  72. @Blax

    You also probably took control and asserted yourself and your woman welcomed you to do that. These stupid random men think(hope/nobody asked them what they thought or wanted) their ugly bitchy wives will turn into compliant, dimes after the shitty reception.

  73. Lmao… pimp game marriage. Even porn stars read Rollo’s book (starts at 2:59)…

    Emma started her career in webcamming in 2011 at the age of 19. Since then she has consistently impressed with her uncanny ability to attract and entertain audiences and monetize on her personal brand. As a webcam performer she has been a Top Model ($10K+monthly) for over 6 years. She has won 5 industry awards for webcamming including winning 3 years running at the Live Cam Awards. As an entrepreneur Emma has created multiple income streams through membership websites, affiliate marketing, amateur content programs, merchandising and dozens of other projects.

    Another sales funnel:

    There are a number of fetishes you can learn to broaden your audience and make big bucks without ever taking your clothes off. Financial domination, for example, is a fetish in which the user is enticed by the simple act of spending money on his “goddess”. Once you have an understanding of the dynamics of this fetish you can simply tell your financial “slaves” when and how much to tip you and they will obey. This is just one example of many types of fetishes.

  74. Yollo

    Well, damn. that’s one way to put it I guess.

    Re: Take control. I’d dated a bunch of gorgeous chicks that had crazy sex skills and all of the womanly amenities. If I ever started thinking that this might be the one, the testing started and many of them failed miserably.

    The ” nagging ” mentioned above? That eliminated a chick immediately from consideration past dick and dinners. The ” Strong, Independent, I-don’t-need-no-man” types also became memories after their usefulness for sex waned. You gotta bring more than pussy to the table.

    My friends always complained that I was picky or just being a ball/pussy buster in some way. ZFG. I invited them all to date any of my cast aways ( because we buds had rules about dating each other’s ex’s ).

    Test and vet or you’re taking chances, even with that ” 10 “.

    Women rail against the notion, but my woman must submit. Period. I’m not a tyrant or unreasonable, but I have control and assume responsibility and burden. If she wants control she can have it with someone else.

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