Thoughts on Aziz Ansari

I’m going to make a confession here; until a week ago I had no idea who Aziz Ansari was. I get he was some low limit comedian, and in today’s social environment that means he lectures an audience about social justice issues for an hour while trying to insert some humor into his act. I’ve pretty much given up on most comedians these days, and I’m a guy who used to love standup. However, my unfamiliarity with Aziz was actually a benefit in assessing his recent pillory in the mainstream. Had I known about him before all this, and his comedy activism, I likely would’ve just dismissed his case as the next guy to be put into the MeToo deadpool of celebrity men – and I’m being generous about the “celebrity” part.

I had actually resigned myself to blowing off his whole story until I started digging into the particulars of the ‘date’ he had with the anonymous “Grace”. On first pass this whole incident is easy to dismiss even for Red Pill aware men with better things to do than bother themselves with another Hollywood chump to go down to the open power grab that MeToo and TimesUp have become. There is, however, a lot to unpack in the whole thing though. If you want the whole story you can read about it here on Babe.net, the blog for “Girls who don’t give a fuck”, which is interesting because apparently they give a lot of fucks according to the story.

Just to break down some of the particulars here:

  • She (Grace) approaches Aziz in the beginning. Flirts with him and then goes back to her date she was with that evening. They would catch each other glancing at the other durning the night (IOIs). They ‘ran into each other’ later and he number closes.
  • Aziz Beta texts her almost immediately and tries to text Game/flirt with her before he asks her out
  • Before meeting Ansari, she tells friends and coworkers about the date and consulted her go-to group chat about what she should wear to fit the “cocktail chic” dress-code he gave her. She settled on “a tank-top dress and jeans.” She showed me a picture, it was a good outfit.
  • After the white wine she didn’t like, they end up back at his place. She complimented his marble countertops. Ansari turned the compliment into an invitation. “He said something along the lines of, ‘How about you hop up and take a seat?’” Within moments, he was kissing her. “In a second, his hand was on my breast.” Then he was undressing her, then he undressed himself.
  • Ansari tells her he was going to get a condom within minutes of their first kiss, Grace voiced her hesitation explicitly. “I said something like, ‘Whoa, let’s relax for a sec, let’s chill.’” She says he then resumed kissing her, briefly performed oral sex on her, and asked her to do the same thing to him. She did, but not for long. “It was really quick. Everything was pretty much touched and done within ten minutes of hooking up, except for actual sex.”
  • Ansari repeatedly attempts ‘The Claw’. on her “The move he kept doing was taking his two fingers in a V-shape and putting them in my mouth, in my throat to wet his fingers, because the moment he’d stick his fingers in my throat he’d go straight for my vagina and try to finger me.” “It was 30 minutes of me getting up and moving and him following and sticking his fingers down my throat again. It was really repetitive. It felt like a fucking game.”
  • Ansari physically pulled her hand towards his penis multiple times throughout the night, from the time he first kissed her on the countertop onward. “He probably moved my hand to his dick five to seven times,” she said. “He really kept doing it after I moved it away.”
  • Ansari presses her for sex. He asks repeatedly, “Where do you want me to fuck you?” while she was on the countertop. She says she didn’t want to fuck him at all. He keeps asking, so she says, ‘Next time.’ Aziz says, ‘Oh, you mean second date?’ and she says, ‘Oh, yeah, sure,’ and he goes, ‘Well, if I poured you another glass of wine now, would it count as our second date?’
  • She later says she doesn’t want it to seem forced and this wakes Ansari up from his sexual stupor. “He said, ‘Oh, of course, it’s only fun if we’re both having fun. Let’s just chill over here on the couch.’ Ansari instructed her to turn around. “He sat back and pointed to his penis and motioned for me to go down on him. And I did. I think I just felt really pressured. It was literally the most unexpected thing I thought would happen at that moment because I told him I was uncomfortable.”
  • Halfway into the encounter, he led her from the couch to a different part of his apartment. He said he had to show her something. Then he brought her to a large mirror, bent her over and asked her again, “Where do you want me to fuck you? Do you want me to fuck you right here?” He rammed his penis against her ass while he said it, pantomiming intercourse.
  • They got dressed, sat side by side on the couch they’d already “chilled” on, and he turned on an episode of Seinfeld. While the TV played in the background, he kissed her again, stuck his fingers down her throat again, and moved to undo her pants. She turned away.  “I remember saying, ‘You guys are all the same, you guys are all the fucking same.’” Ansari asked her what she meant. When she turned to answer, she says he met her with “gross, forceful kisses.” After that last kiss, Grace stood up from the couch, moved back to the kitchen island where she left her phone, and said she would call herself a car. He hugged her and kissed her goodbye, another “aggressive” kiss. When she pulled away, Ansari finally relented and insisted he’d call her the car.

All of this detail is important to consider because Ansari’s actions here are classic Beta Game desperation tactics. It is literally one Beta move after another. Many of the reviewers of this incident like to point out that it was really a misunderstood date gone wrong, or else they use it as proof-positive of a sexual assault, but I’m going to argue something different here – Ansari is simply a Beta chump with very little Game savvy who, if he’d had even a hint of Game awareness could’ve had a good sexual experience both for himself and her.

As I’ve mentioned before, I’m not a proponent of men attempting to push past last minute resistance. For as much as “enthusiastic consent” will be used as a tool of fear to dissuade Beta men from even attempting to approach, I can’t say that I wouldn’t want a woman to have a genuine desire to fuck me in any sexual episode. I can remember in my ‘rock star 20s’ doing exactly this. If a woman wasn’t into having sex with me or she had some reservations or some hoops she expected me to jump through in order to get her to “come around” to fucking me I would simply excuse myself from the situation. I was at a point in my life where I had many other (proven) options, and if a new prospect wasn’t an absolutely ‘enthusiastic’  “Hell Yes!” girl I had at least six other women who were eager to come over and fuck me. This was just a subconscious awareness I took for granted at the time, but it was an attitude that stemmed from abundance.

That was essentially my Game back then. It was the natural reflex of an Alpha man and women responded to it. The behaviors and attitudes I exhibited just flowed from my unrehearsed subconscious. It was who I was. Dread is much more effective for a man when a woman sees that he’s oblivious to his causing dread.

Most men never really experience this kind of sexual abundance and as such it colors their outlook and how they expect sex to work for them. One big problem inherent to men’s Blue Pill conditioning is the idea that sex must be negotiated for a woman to feel comfortable enough to fuck a guy, but more importantly in this era, to avoid any misunderstandings that would lead to his getting a sexual misconduct allegation. The Blue Pill teaches men to respect women by default, for no other reason than she has a vagina, but also that open communication, full disclosure and negotiation are necessary elements of sex. We can see this played out in the ludicrous expectation that every sex action a man involves himself in requires vocal enthusiastic consent. This is the acculturation; men are expected to negotiate every sexual detail of a sexual experience.

Needless to say this is patently ridiculous, but it’s also the surest way to kill the actual enthusiasm a woman might actually have for a guy. One thing that will separate Alpha men from Betas in the future will be that man’s honed capacity to remove himself from any sexual situation that is negotiated. Women want to play the Game, they don’t want the Game explained to them. They want a man who Just Gets It and the men who don’t get it will be the ones whose dutiful Blue Pill conditioning prompts them to start any and every approach at intimacy by negotiating the terms for a woman’s desire.

You cannot negotiate genuine desire, but this negotiation is exactly what modern feminism simultaneously fosters and struggles against. The idea of ‘enthusiastic consent’ is really a want on the part of women to have the sex they genuinely have a desire to experience with a man. This is all women want to write about now and the Ansari incident is a textbook example of the kind of negotiated sex women don’t want to have, but sometimes go through with for transactional reasons. Remember, sex with Alpha men is validational for women – lackluster ‘meh’ sex with Beta men is transactional sex. If you only read what women are writing about sex today you’d think that transactional sex is all they’ve ever been having – and sexist men see women as ‘soft’ prostitutes. Now it’s suddenly some revolutionary act for women to have the sex Alpha sex enjoyment they’ve always “deserved” but have been repressed by transactional sex with Betas.

That said, I can’t disagree entirely with the want for an enthusiastic sex partner who genuinely wants to fuck me 12 ways to Tuesday. And this is women’s rationale today, “Don’t you want to fuck a woman who really wants to fuck you?” It’s hard to argue against the “Hell Yes” girl, until you realize that the sex they are describing is only reserved for the guy they really want to bang and mistakenly believe their overinflated self-value warrants.

Now, I’ve read the debate from PUAs who make the point that it is entirely possible to make a ‘No’ girl into a ‘Hell Yes’ girl. I’ve seen the infield videos so I’ll spare you the linking. My question then is, after deftly applying Game and calibrating all the minutiae to do so, how does this compare to a woman who has a genuine desire for you from the start? I think one huge hurdle for guys unplugging from their Blue Pill conditioning have to face is the presupposition that sex is only the result of a process of negotiation. That negotiation is what the Blue Pill teaches boys and men from a very early age.

Aziz! Light!

The Ansari incident has a lot of Red Pill lessons to teach. First and foremost is the fact that Ansari is a consumate Beta. Looking at the guy he resembles any number of Indian computer programmers frustrated by a want for the secret formula to make a gorgeous American blonde with big tits fall in love with him. Don’t get me wrong, I counsel these men personally, but he fits that schema. Next, Ansari is a vocal and outspoken White Knight for feminism and regularly proves his male self-loathing as part of his standup act. I mean, the guy wears a Time’s Up pin. But like most male feminists, he gets hung by his own Beta Game bullshit – this is the fate of all male feminists.

Lastly, Ansari is a Beta who made good. I’ve talked about the Blue Pill White Knights and self-righteous AFCs in many a post, but I’m not sure I’ve emphasized how dangerous this mindset can be for a Beta who has a combination of affluence, celebrity and social proof. There comes a self-validation in that Blue Pill mindset when women want to be associated with him. He develops a belief that it’s his Blue Pill conditioning, and his adherence to it, that is the reason for his relative success with women. This insulates these guys from ever disconnecting from that conditioning, but it also lessens an incentive to see women in any other perspective. The result of this is exactly what Ansari experienced in this incident. He was too comfortable in presuming his pro-woman, female identifying, Beta Game would make his sexual expression ‘Okay’ with any woman who gave him positive sexual interest.

Another big indicator of this, and really much of Beta Game, was his repeated pawing of Grace and repeated sexual expressions with her. It wasn’t working as he believed it should, so what was his solution? Continue with the negotiation and hope for a positive sign of reinforcement from her. Every act that Ansari attempted with Grace was a form of negotiation. I can’t get sex? How about a blow job? No? Okay how about if I go down on you? She feels forced? Woah, default to female identification persona. Presume the sale, “How do you want me to fuck you?”

This is all one big negotiation – there is no genuine desire and no enthusiasm of the part of Grace – but since Ansari has never had the incentive to learn Game he keep going back to what he thinks should work on her.

To wrap all of this up, I should mention that the reason this whole affair went viral is should really be no surprise. It’s one more example of everything MeToo has been harping on for almost 5 months now, yes, but it’s also an illustration of exactly this new sentiment of the “grey area” sex I brought to light in Dangerous Times – Part 2. It’s sex women have out of courtesy (Aziz got a courtesy hummer) or convenience or just as something to do. It is exactly the obligated sex I’ve been talking about since The Desire Dynamic. This incident is exactly the story this ‘grey sex’ sentiment had needed, but in the larger picture it highlights the difference between transactional sex and validational sex.

As Open Hypergamy becomes yet more normalized it’s now time that the Feminine Imperative acknowledges the type of sex women desire and enjoy, and the type of sex they feel obligated to perform as part of a negotiation or transaction. And naturally the need to define what women’s Hypergamy dictates becomes a new form of shame for men. Evil Patriarchal men are to blame for women having to openly acknowledge that they only want to fuck Alpha men with any real enthusiasm. Men are to blame for validational and transactional sex, and now absolved, women can take the next steps in consolidating on Hypergamy.

No, there’s no current legislation that makes ‘unenthusiasitc sex’ a sex crime (yet), but remember that the sexual arms race is always fought in the court of public opinion before anything is written in ink.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Not trying to spam the comments section, but I did write a couple of posts about this very topic- specifically as to why that woman felt confident enough to accuse Aziz Ansari of something that she would almost certainly not have accused a white celebrity of similar fame and wealth of doing. Also, how her 1998-era assumptions backfired in 2018.

Here is the first one, of the two..

https://dissention.wordpress.com/2018/01/16/first-thoughts-on-aziz-ansari-sexual-assault-scandal-jan-16-2018/

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Nailed it again Rollo. Hopefully this incident will wake him from his slumber.

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I had a few thoughts on this. I think that “Grace’s” version of the truth tries to paint her in the best possible light, but taking just here side of the story we have another prime example of Beta 101: 1. Game is important now than ever. – If you don’t learn it, you will be crucified 2. Your loyalty doesn’t mean shit. – Male Feminist think that by allying themselves with the “noble cause” they will get the sex they feel they’ve earned, only to be shocked when they don’t 3. Allegation is the new “Truth.” – No one… Read more »

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And here is the second post of my series about why that woman thought she could get away with accusing Aziz Ansari. To make a long story short, she thought that people would support a generic white female over a semi-famous non-white guy in 2018, even though he had not done anything illegal. She guessed wrong!

https://dissention.wordpress.com/2018/01/20/more-thoughts-on-aziz-ansari-sexual-assault-scandal-jan-20-2018/

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Wow! Insightful article. Western society has truly reached a 80/20 moment in the dating market. Would like to hear what others think the consequences of this consolidated hypergamy will be for men, women and the law moving forward over the next 5-10 years. As we know, every action creates an opposite and equal action. So, will there be a notable backlash against the FI or will half of the male population to some degree or other simply be removed from the sexual marketplace? If what Rollo highlights is true, having seductive skills, decent fitness and sexual discipline; which was sufficient… Read more »

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“Heather Locklear – who dated David in 2006 – revealed in April that the reason the 5ft8in funnyman attracts women of her ilk has everything to do with his significant manhood.

‘Number one, he’s funny. Number two, he has a big c***,’ the 56-year-old Golden Globe nominee told TMZ, laughing.”

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“Every act that Ansari attempted with Grace was a form of negotiation. I can’t get sex? How about a blow job? No? Okay how about if I go down on you? ”

man that part was painful to read

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“: Being such an unlikely lothario, it’s surprising Spade only has one child – nine-year-old daughter Harper – with Playboy Playmate Jillian Grace”

http://l450v.alamy.com/450v/drb7xn/david-spade-and-his-girlfriend-jillian-grace-go-to-the-movie-theater-drb7xn.jpg

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If you watch Parks and Recreation, you can see that he didn’t even need to act for the show, he could just be himself.

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Ansari’s actions here are classic Beta Game desperation tactics. It is literally one Beta move after another.

I’d like a little more clarification on why this is so. How would it have gone if he were a confident, sexually aggressive alpha? What would be different? (Leaving aside “the claw” thing… I don’t get that at all… what the heck was he trying to achieve with that?)

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@Tarl from the original ‘babe’ post: “He said something along the lines of, ‘How about you hop up and take a seat?’” Within moments, he was kissing her. “In a second, his hand was on my breast.” Then he was undressing her, then he undressed himself. She remembers feeling uncomfortable at how quickly things escalated. When Ansari told her he was going to grab a condom within minutes of their first kiss, Grace voiced her hesitation explicitly. “I said something like, ‘Whoa, let’s relax for a sec, let’s chill.’” He is moving too fast. She’s not comfortable yet. I mean… Read more »

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Love The Fifth Element reference.

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“Ansari’s actions here are classic Beta Game desperation tactics. It is literally one Beta move after another.” I’d like a little more clarification on why this is so. How would it have gone if he were a confident, sexually aggressive alpha? What would be different? (Leaving aside “the claw” thing… I don’t get that at all… what the heck was he trying to achieve with that?) Really Tarl? What don’t you actually understand about Red Pill and Game? You know the old saw about you can never ask a stupid question? It’s not actually true. He didn’t generate desire. What… Read more »

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@Tarl

Come on, man, he had zero calibration, zero awareness, zero clue about anything. Likely he watches waaaaay too much porn and is very close to being a virgin.

If you don’t understand this, you need remedial Game 010 immediately. Start at Heartiste.

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@AD “Grace” appears to have succeeded though. In public opinion, she is mostly regarded as a victim, Aziz has been judged a quasi-rapist, and Aziz’s career is probably finished.

I think feminists recognize three stages of consent, implied -> affirmative -> enthusiastic. Judging by Aziz’s example, enthusiastic should be the standard for hook-ups and similar. With enthusiastic you aren’t allowed to negotiate. That’s “coercion” according to feminists, tantamount to abuse. Any hesitation, reluctance, verbal or non-verbal, and its probably best to call things off.

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“Every act that Ansari attempted with Grace was a form of negotiation. I can’t get sex? How about a blow job? No? Okay how about if I go down on you? ”

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man that part was painful to read

Doubly so for any man who has ever even remotely come close to trying to negotiate for sex.

Triply so for any married AFC who got so betaized he resorted to negotiaton or begging.

Azis’s “Wile E. Coyote” game is wrong in every possible way.

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Personally I think he intellectually was aware of some game aspects , which he tried to apply, like text game, kino and isolating and escalating and presuming the sale but I think he was early on in his social calibration and tried to apply Lmr methods a la Bang for example and failed in that attempt. Understandable error from my pov but had he had prior experience in being genuinely desired, he would have seen the difference

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@john smithers I read three different reviews of Peterson’s books (all generated by UK British critics/writers), two were neg (feminitstas males) and one was positive. (just google search a review of his latest book.) Peterson has great stuff. (His Psychology insights from clinical practice with he only peripherally alluded to are quite exceptional. I have the same experience in my clinical practice.Great stuff.) But there is a limit to his greatness of ideas. The same limits that were in place for Ayn Rand. (Ayn rand was limited by her two dimensional life rather than a five dimensional life–spirituality and religiosity… Read more »

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didnt escalate physically, no attraction built but was assuming there was, he had no calibration.

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“The blog for ‘Girls who don’t give a fuck’, which is interesting because apparently they give a lot of fucks according to the story.”

@Rollo

Thought the exact say thing when I read the post a while back – after all the indignation and #metoo news. Scrolled to the bottom, and had to laugh out loud when I saw the site’s tagline. The image is telling also. Mixed messages all round.

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She complimented his marble countertops.

Whoa, what a hot girl she is! No wonder she was completely entitled to world class sexxx! Complmenting his long, smooth, hard…marble countertops.

Sheesh.
Where’s Frank Zappa when we need him? Why, right here…

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Sheesh.
Where’s Frank Zappa when we need him? Why, right here…

Not sure where you were going with that. I always figured F. Zappa for Aziz Ansari like sex appeal in his music.

Not impressed with Zappa.

I assume you feel the same. Weird is not necessarily appealing, right?

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“Being such an unlikely lothario, it’s surprising Spade”

Says who? Spade has consummate game.

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“Dread is much more effective for a man when a woman sees that he’s oblivious to his causing dread.”

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“” (Leaving aside “the claw” thing… I don’t get that at all… what the heck was he trying to achieve with that?)””

Agreed …. that was just plain weird.

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White woman expects brown man to have $$$ + the cock and confidence of a black man, sorely disappointed, too weak/confused to ‘just say NO’ and back out gracefully, post-hookup indignation kicks in, hamster seeks alternative narrative, then this. It’s kinda funny, in a way.

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Rollo,

Thanks for clarifying your position on enthusiastic sex. I was wondering.

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How I handled marginal (and not so marginal) enthusiasm. “Sleep with me naked. No sex. I like the body contact.” And then I sleep with them. No sex.

About 3/4s come back raging for it. (Is there something wrong with me? Is he gay? I thought for sure once I got naked it would escalate.”) The other 1/4? I got to sleep with them naked.

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@Alpha Jedi

Considering the new Star Wars movies and your choice of name, I have a question for you.

Are you the last Jedi, or the last “Alpha” Jedi?

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Here is photog girl’s complaint, along with a lot of other girls:

[One of my guilty pleasure bands. I’ve seen them live at a couple of promos I did]

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Thanks to whomever it was last year that posted Hey Violet vid above.
I can’t recall except the gravatar was green. Not Lost Patrol. Someone else.

This is what girls want. Anyone disgree?

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I thought of The Fifth Element as well. The scene ending with Korben Dallas (Bruce Willis) saying “Anyone else wanna negotiate?”. I wonder if the next thing women bitch about, as an unintended consequence of #MeToo, that Beta men will simply cut their date short at the first sign of impenetrable resistance (or rather, insufficient genuine desire, or to use their own NewSpeak petard, a lack of “enthusiastic consent”). It might actually work in a Blue Pill guy’s favour to not even bother with ordering the main course and saying “you know what? I’m not feeling it, anything between us.… Read more »

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January 23, 2018 at 8:49 pm

“Plastic People” rather nailed WASP culture of the era.

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Also. Video Related;

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“I love hurting you. It makes you so hot for me.” Can work if the circumstances are right. I prefer deep emotional wounds. They leave no visible scars. Think of it as extreme dread.

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And why dread works? Well – in ages past a man abandoning a woman was a death sentence for her. Which may also explain “agreeableness”.

What does abandonment mean for women in “the West” these days? A hard life.

Death is more serious.

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Be careful bulking up.

“A team of researchers led by U mechanical engineering assistant professor Claire Acevedo believes the bones of an older person, say above the age of 50, become more susceptible to a break due to repeated stress from everyday activities such as walking, creating microdamage that affects the quality of the bone.”

https://phys.org/news/2018-01-rethink-elderly-bones.html#jCp

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Nah its cause of a lifetime of neglect by not doing resistence training. 47 and bones are strong as and will be just as strong or stronger in my 50s.

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“There is nothing more dangerous than a weak man.” About 10 to 30 seconds from the 43m 02s point linked here –>

https://youtu.be/v-hIVnmUdXM?t=43m2s

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Well, actually a minute and a half.

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Don’t miss an import part of this. Several have commented on how Aziz seemed like he was badly trying to apply some game he had heard or read about. I think this is true. We need to realize is that the space to learn game is getting smaller by the day and the penalties for screwing it up more severe. I think we are going to get to the point where only naturals have a decent shot. I’m glad I’m old. I don’t know how a fumbling 17 year old is supposed to figure game out when the legal consequences… Read more »

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This is a prime example of feminist propaganda publicly making wild emotional accusations while ignoring all reason, logic, and reality. An even better example is the recent Jordan Peterson interview on Channel 4, where he completely and utterly destroys the bitter, vindictive hostess Cathy Newman. All major British newspapers subsequently report Peterson to be an ‘abusive misogynist’, the debate is determined to be ‘roughly equal’, and all attention is pulled away from the debate and towards Ms. Newman as she was apparently ‘threatened’ (even though the abuse from her supporters towards Peterson was infinitely much larger). What the hell has… Read more »

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Aziz has more balls than 80% of the men in the western world. He went ahead and grabbed her by the pussy. Guts. A girl brings herself to a guy’s digz and expects zero grab? Mbusit. Game is overayed. But I dont get the claw thing. Should just have fuk the bitch n moved on.

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overrated

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It’s a sad story to see how deep ingrained his conditioning is. In some countries – it’s normal for two men to hold hands as a sign of “close friendship”. His beta behavior is going to need some serious unplugging or else, that can easily go suicidal.

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Classic case of escalating too quick and the girl getting buyer’s remorse.

Game teaches guys to err on the side of boldness. However his low sexual value and inability to calibrate are what sparked the buyer’s remorse.

Had he brought her home and not blown his wad so quickly she may have been more intrigued by this beta looking guy’s boldness…

Girls will be intrigued if you’re a jerk and you deliver but not if you act like you know what you’re doing…but actually don’t.

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cheupez January 24, 2018 at 4:04 am Aziz has more balls than 80% of the men in the western world. He went ahead and grabbed her by the pussy. Guts. A girl brings herself to a guy’s digz and expects zero grab? Mbusit. Game is overayed. But I dont get the claw thing. Should just have fuk the bitch n moved on. ——– He was playing with dynamite. Totally miscalibrated and fucked up the situation. It was FUBAR. If he was willing to learn from his mistakes then your comment would hold more water. But guys like that generally will… Read more »

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The Jordan Peterson interview with Cathy Newman is a great example of how to hold Frame. Worth watching just for that reason alone. He used dog language and rational logic to his advantage.

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@Alexander,

“What the hell has this world come to if major newspapers are blindly spreading feminist propaganda this way?”

Most of the newsrooms in the U.S. are filled with feminist editors and reporters. Male feminists are the worst to deal with. I know many. You have to walk very carefully and watch what you say in these environments. The few masculine males that work for the newspaper business are in sales, and they keep their head down because good salesmen know when to shut up and when to speak.

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Poor old Aziz and all his fellow Betas. They really just don’t get it and as such will now not only miss the fuck, but be publicly shamed for it and worse. But if it played out even half as badly as she wrote, then it was a pretty cringe worthy scene nevertheless. Just looking at his pic (as i wrote on the last post) he is 100% Beta. Without a doubt. And he blew it, big time, as any RP guy would expect him to. The fingers down the throat is a result of too much porn and not… Read more »

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OK On the “claw” whatever (never heard of the term), well putting my fingers in a girls mouth is always a solid move. They love it. Make out, hand on throat, kiss neck, tits… Fingers in her mouth to suck on. Work other hand to her pussy, now she has the double penetration feeling. Take hand from her pussy and put those fingers in her mouth. They always go crazy for this stuff. He just didn’t read her signals, she wasn’t turned on enough. He was doing the beta thing, following the “plan”, the “rules”, the “checklist” – because he… Read more »

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“I prefer deep emotional wounds. They leave no visible scars. Think of it as extreme dread.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv5QMgBJgbo

“Girls will be intrigued if you’re a jerk and you deliver but not if you act like you know what you’re doing…but actually don’t.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftHiY3m41RY

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The idea that falls in the elderly are caused by the fracture, rather than the other way around is not anywhere near new. I wrote about it here years ago. Other places decades ago. And of course such fractures begin with a micro fracture which propogates. The question is why does it fracture. Bone is not an inert structural beam of mineral composition. It is living, adaptive tissue, chiefly made of protein, like your fingernails and hair. Your hair is very strong. Perhaps stronger than steel in tension, but it is very flexible. You can’t snap it. You can tie… Read more »

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And Aziz stated after Grace’s allegations were publicized that he continues to support the MeToo movement!!! Instead of being concerned about the movement’s ability to ruin someone by making unsubstantiated/false allegations, he continues to support a movement that is trying to ruin, embarrass, humiliate him. Seems like plenty of men are to afraid of saying anything against the movement out of fear of being ostracized. Sad indeed and Aziz must be delusional.

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I walked out of the theater ranting to a friend, ” Love? Love is the fifth element? Give me a fucking break.”

Then a few years later bought the DVD and watch it a couple times a year. It’s a silly comic book movie, but in a good way.

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On a slightly different topic, did anyone see the Turbo Tax Cuck Baby commercial? Overview: Husband and wife are welcoming the baby post delivery. Mailman comes into the room and the baby obviously looks like the mailman who is delivering balloons and flowers to the wife while cuck husband is told by the nurse that at least his taxes are free. Amazing how willingly advertising thinks paternity is something to joke about and how blatantly men are being slapped in the face with this type of insulting advertising. Apparently, Turbo Tax thinks that it’s OK to portray the wife as… Read more »

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An even better example is the recent Jordan Peterson interview on Channel 4, where he completely and utterly destroys the bitter, vindictive hostess Cathy Newman. All major British newspapers subsequently report Peterson to be an ‘abusive misogynist’, the debate is determined to be ‘roughly equal’, and all attention is pulled away from the debate and towards Ms. Newman as she was apparently ‘threatened’ (even though the abuse from her supporters towards Peterson was infinitely much larger). What the hell has this world come to if major newspapers are blindly spreading feminist propaganda this way? The beginning and end of the… Read more »

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Turbo Tax baby Commercial:

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Are there any non-white/non-black men you consider Alpha? Ansari is coasting on his money and fame but he is still beta because he is a ‘short, ugly, out of shape, Indian guy’ — So being Alpha comes back down to being tall, having masculine facial features, muscles and white.

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Blue_dover

So being Alpha comes back down to being tall, having masculine facial features, muscles and white.

While all that can be Alpha, have a look at David Spade above. He misses on many of those counts.

But I suspect you are not serious.

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@Blue Dover:

Take off your bias glasses, read through again, and see if you can pick up the element that was identified as beta this time.

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@Incubus_Rising – That’s the commercial I was referring to. A real advertising gem from Turbo Tax. It’d be interesting to have a Turbo Tax commercial in which the wife finds out the husband has a child from a different woman, but at least they’ll get another deduction and that their taxes are free. Wonder how that’d go over with the women?

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Rollo says “they end up back at his place,” and people do not just “end up” somewhere except in science fiction — so I checked the original article and it glaringly fails to shed any light on what she was thinking or expecting when they walked from the meal back to his pad. Let’s see now … She initiated contact with him, supplied her number “at his suggestion,” traded text banter wirh him for a week, readily agreed to a date and went along to his place. So my question is, was she actually attracted to this (seemingly repellant looking)… Read more »

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My thoughts: –Ansari was beta all the way through the encounter. He takes her out for drinks and dinner, then walking, then to his place. He then makes every beta mistake in the book: Going too fast, moving in before sexual attraction is there, misreading whether sexual attraction is there, completely misjudging comfort, trying to push through LMR and then doing so too fast and too hard, misreading her clear signs of discomfort, then pressuring for sex despite discomfort. He then negotiates for sex at least twice, backing off then pressing, and then doing so again. –“Grace” isn’t blameless here.… Read more »

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I can’t wait to see the picture of Grace, and “discover” that this sooper famous Hollywood Too Cool For School Artiste pulled – a bare 6.

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It bears repeating in 2018 –

Kfg you’re my fuxking hero.

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Single moms want what’s best, validation for assistance of their forcefully funded nest. Programs and payments are paramount conquest. “Look at how strong”, “She’s such a great mom!” Her son pees sitting down, his masculinity’s robbed. He has no clue how to shake, or what’s at stake – every time he acts beta for women he’s chased. Let alone around men that know what he is, mutable, steerable, introspectively dubious. There’s nowhere to hide your public perception, its best used in the form of deception. Facebook a friend to make that connection. The profile presented is often lamented as success… Read more »

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We need to realize is that the space to learn game is getting smaller by the day and the penalties for screwing it up more severe.

Which means that beginners need to focus more on learning calibration and knowing when to give comfort after a bold move.

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So, in people with low levels of physical stress the walls of the bones become thinner and more porous as protein is leached from them

Bone protein is generally replenished when you are young…when you gain weight, their mass increases…but as we age, the replenishment mechanisms break down. Likely some overlap with muscles weakening as we age. Especially when not used enough.

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“Realize that western society has conditioned most of use to respond emotionally without thinking.” http://www.columbia.edu/~tdp4/RGP2007.pdf “There’s no excuse, for lies of abuse that plug the pipelines of justice and truth. In a world connected, we refuse to believe motive’s beneath every whim, or fleeting creed. From regretful whores expressed buyers remorse, to shameful resignation from title denigration. Leap before look, the criminal’s not the crook. The motive behind the mind that mentioned the crime does no time, that’s where we should look. https://digital.library.adelaide.edu.au/dspace/bitstream/2440/80580/8/02whole.pdf Circumvent this movement with public dissonance, add another slight of hand from racial marches or feminists. You… Read more »

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Indian men typically have higher T levels, but much lower androgen receptor counts, than white men.

They are submarined by their culture.

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@Blaximus”

Utah Phillips used to tell me, “Make sure your heroes are all dead. That way they can’t fuck it up.”

Of course he’s dead now and crucifying the dead has become a popular participant sport . . .

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There goes deti, barking at cats.

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in a twisted way, this actually confirms their honesty lol:

https://theintercept.com/2018/01/24/nsa-core-values-honesty-deleted/

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+100 for the Fifth Element reference!

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@Rugby thanks for the posts but dude…chill or type out your thoughts.

When you post 4 videos in a post 1. I can’t possibly watch each one. 2. It clogs the feed making it hard to follow the thread and comment.

It’s an important topic and there’s a lot that can be discussed. Let us discuss it and offer your point of view so we can absorb it.

TL;dr: Appreciate the enthusiasm dude but please stop spamming us.

Peace out…

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I’m an Old Married Guy. 20-odd years ago when I was doing this, women took responsibility in their own sexual interactions. Or at least it seemed that way. Women made it clear what they wanted, what they would do and what they wouldn’t do. It was always understood: “If I don’t agree to be alone with you, it’s because I’m not ready for some kind of sexual contact with you. I’m not attracted to you (enough) (yet). I’m not comfortable (enough)(yet). It’s not the right time for me. I’m on my period. I’m in a bad mood. I have too… Read more »

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This dissection really illuminates the “What Went Wrong” of it.

Suspect “Beta tells” started long before the apartment scene – which, of course, was/is just Aziz being himself.

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Gamer:

Mature girls put their big girl britches on and speak up for what they want/don’t want.

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One key insight: At first women may be attracted by the external: wealth , celebrity, etc etc but without game and a clear understanding of calibration these external elements are a false front.

If this post was read as a Field Report written exactly the same way but from his perspective we here would rip it to pieces.

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“Make sure your heroes are all dead. That way they can’t fuck it up.”

Ha! And make sure they’re really dead.

“Show me a hero and I’ll prove he’s a bum” – Gregory “Pappy” Boyington, WW II USMC fighter pilot who should know. A drunk and a brawler, he also shot down lots of Japanese planes while causing multiple problems for his chain of command.

He was eventually himself shot down and captured. The Pentagon people thought he was dead so they awarded him the Medal of Honor. After the war he came back to life and ruined everything.

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Walawala Never my intention. “type out your thoughts” Here it goes… “It’s an important topic and there’s a lot that can be discussed. Let us discuss it and offer your point of view so we can absorb it.” Rebuild yourself… Make a new Version of yourself yesterday i did some improve comedy. One way in which i stop being shy and learn to appreciate myself. One of the roles i was doing was a homeless hobo who was getting poison from a women given me food. I played it out like a silent comedy. What i found really funny was… Read more »

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In tentative hookups, generating desire where there isn’t necessarily any, is all about the female ego. Calibration was definitely his mistake. By throwing himself at her and assuming the sale, he jumped the gun on validating her ego. She wouldn’t be there with him if she didn’t want something, and 99% of chicks aren’t above using sex. The key is her statement, all you guys are the same. Rollo talks frequently about betas who try to set themselves apart with beta game, make the chicks think ‘he’s different’.. it’s total loser game when they do this through white knighting or… Read more »

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Take me to the brig. I want to see the real Marines. – Chesty Puller

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@Rugby good start. Actually improv comedy is a great way to develop both inner and external game. The ability to start and lead conversations with girls…riffing off them…snipping and reframing…all important skills…

All important skills also related to calibration which is where game is truly critical to a wider interaction with the world around you.

Self awareness is an under rated skill.

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Everything old is new again…women want to be able to provide mixed signals to men and then claim victimhood when the poor saps can’t decipher the uncrackable code. As soon as a woman starts this gaming BS, I’m out…the potential legal and other consequences are far too great to take stupid risks. After all, there’s a billion more of them out there, begging for attention.

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kfg
Bone problems … So would calcium supplements actually be a bad idea in many cases?

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Weird coincidence: I was just thinking of Robert Conrad as another guy who, like David Spade, proves you can be shortish and have it all together. And then you mention Pappy Boyington, who was played on TV by … Robert Conrad.

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Thanks, that was a really helpful break-down

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@Sentient,

Not afraid at all to use hands and fingers early and often. Maybe I was over thinking based on how Aziz carried it out. Just read like he botched it. But hands on throat, face, hair, breasts and down low work very very well. I use the long length of my arms all the time to reach places
keeping both hands busy. Perhaps I have a thing or two to learn about the claw. Thanks for chiming in.

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@Sentient Not even a 6 IMO

Grace?

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She’s not that bad. Young, slim, moderately pretty, decent smile. Easy 6. Maybe even 6.5-7 at the borderline when all dressed up like this.

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